From psamp-bounces@ietf.org  Thu Jan 15 00:46:34 2009
Return-Path: <psamp-bounces@ietf.org>
X-Original-To: psamp-text-archive@optimus.ietf.org
Delivered-To: ietfarch-psamp-text-archive@core3.amsl.com
Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C05328C160;
	Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:46:34 -0800 (PST)
X-Original-To: psamp@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: psamp@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5979F3A6877;
	Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:46:33 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.218
X-Spam-Level: 
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.218 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.381, 
	BAYES_00=-2.599]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32])
	by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
	with ESMTP id YAeolFwnWLmH; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:46:31 -0800 (PST)
Received: from smtp0.neclab.eu (smtp0.neclab.eu [195.37.70.41])
	by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E8B3A67A4;
	Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:46:31 -0800 (PST)
Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])
	by smtp0.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785282C017B31;
	Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:46:16 +0100 (CET)
X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas2.office)
Received: from smtp0.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1])
	by localhost (atlas2.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024)
	with ESMTP id LnW9b55Pf-La; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:46:16 +0100 (CET)
Received: from VENUS.office (mx1.office [192.168.24.3])
	by smtp0.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410E12C0000EB;
	Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:46:06 +0100 (CET)
Received: from 10.1.2.178 ([10.1.2.178]) by VENUS.office ([192.168.24.102])
	with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ;
	Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:46:05 +0000
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 09:46:13 +0100
Message-ID: <C594B665.62D92%Quittek@nw.neclab.eu>
X-MS-Has-Attach: yes
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 
Thread-Topic: ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review and comments
	on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem
thread-index: Acl27bhp59mCNX/e5UmMuKX9YY2Fkg==
From: "Juergen Quittek" <Quittek@nw.neclab.eu>
To: "IETF IPFIX Working Group" <ipfix@ietf.org>,
	"IETF PSAMP Working Group" <psamp@ietf.org>
Subject: [PSAMP] ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your review and
	comments on a proposed Work-Around to the Pre-5378 Problem
X-BeenThere: psamp@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This mailing list is used for discussion within the IETF packet
	sampling \(PSAMP\) WG" <psamp.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/psamp>,
	<mailto:psamp-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/pipermail/psamp>
List-Post: <mailto:psamp@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:psamp-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/psamp>,
	<mailto:psamp-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2011188799=="
Sender: psamp-bounces@ietf.org
Errors-To: psamp-bounces@ietf.org

> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.

--===============2011188799==
Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
Content-Type: multipart/signed;
	boundary="B_3314857573_2594721";
	protocol="application/pkcs7-signature";
	micalg=sha1

> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.

--B_3314857573_2594721
Content-type: text/plain;
	charset="US-ASCII"
Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit

Dear all,

In case you haven't been following the discussion,  here's a helpful
distillation by Marshall Eubanks:

The WG Chairs have been asked to make their WG aware of this issue.
This is a complicated subject, but the executive summary is that if
you have an Internet-draft that quotes substantially from one or more
older RFCs (ones with a publication date pre-November 11, 2008), and
you did not write this earlier work yourself (or you wrote it while
with another company), you need to be aware of the likely difficulty
of obtaining RFC5378 clearances for your new work, and also to be
aware that a work-around is on the way. The work-around should be in
place to allow submissions to the San Francisco IETF well before the
normal deadlines.

Again, please direct any follow-up discussion to ietf@ietf.org

Thanks,

    Juergen
-- 
Juergen Quittek        quittek@nw.neclab.eu        Tel: +49 6221 4342-115
NEC Europe Limited,    Network Laboratories        Fax: +49 6221 4342-155
Kurfuersten-Anlage 36, 69115 Heidelberg, Germany   http://www.netlab.nec.de
Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL, UK
Registered in England 2832014


--B_3314857573_2594721
Content-type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s"
Content-transfer-encoding: base64
Content-disposition: attachment;
	filename = "smime.p7s"
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--B_3314857573_2594721--


--===============2011188799==
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline

_______________________________________________
PSAMP mailing list
PSAMP@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/psamp

--===============2011188799==--



