From nobody Sun Sep 3 17:22:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF766132494 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2017 17:22:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.1 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xo0hymrFKvDR for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2017 17:22:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75B24132703 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2017 17:22:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1504484571; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=yED30DbmsCIhTeR8C8qKdKWJkigBLf5uStVb8/xWOTA=; b=QrYqV2aGjJGtATQEzUqnt/0lw2DHSrqiRyppBjlkBpajBscZaf2LdELhJA6NcCLzCqUo/Suj sF4BHLhvQKZ4aXp4KgLU7bPd9HlSmwISPm0rQSgxm1XY+4//VBwtwfADVRvIQ3huKlJgATf6 bPJN0z2yxN8a4Mn0E31LuK4iMy8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=t2XhQGiO6gRG63fiKL5vZSMTwYQGyR/u0ly7aypVaeuEbKls0MfYE64rfx7fwDg5DDinGj hHNx3MQIHZMgqIp/lY1rzolrfdX+NfSo195v8f7AWIHpgH86oNeNLGuMrEZY0LTkZPRFFK1n g6RYQRimRqTiE+k2EcO6H5sm5Ukb4= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.42]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59ac9cd8.7f4fa042fea0-smtp-out-n03; Mon, 04 Sep 2017 00:22:48 -0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2017 17:22:47 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59ac9cd74afc8_135e3fe1c67c7c241153d6@hookshot-fe1-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] d6af00: There was an extra mention of Public Reset Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59ac9cd74ac07_135e3fe1c67c7c241152f3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2017 00:22:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59ac9cd74ac07_135e3fe1c67c7c241152f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/extra-public-reset Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: d6af00d4945d0df1726d55f059813c60236797b7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d6af00d4945d0df1726d55f059813c60236797b7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-04 (Mon, 04 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- There was an extra mention of Public Reset Roni noticed this, and some in the text that ekr added about it being RST-like. That text I haven't changed on the expectation that we will merge #721. ----==_mimepart_59ac9cd74ac07_135e3fe1c67c7c241152f3-- From nobody Sun Sep 3 17:23:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B161326FE for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2017 17:23:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W7dh_mh-Jaaw for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2017 17:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52B38124319 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2017 17:23:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Jpqg45TJJSnVJEX0b07XQiUfghE=; b=baSDqw42ZSSDcag0 cF1la47o3oJAtVxarYu3C5jEC8OQfylql5aUL0tDC9A2HXckkDT76N+Z6MpV3hyJ npam5Fb/ufMvLoXpuofHVaIQ/jjb9MsblNM97WLUK25DjcZDNUkZpmbvz4Iij7Bz +FJPskjFlrD7dqz4uooSFfA+QRM= Received: by filter0828p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0828p1mdw1-17973-59AC9CED-3C 2017-09-04 00:23:09.912682819 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0030p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id JNCiB9UFTBqKoZpdB7-2Sw for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2017 00:23:09.807 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2017 00:23:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] There was an extra mention of Public Reset (#755) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59ac9ced90857_46313fb867eedc34307c6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3UZNYtutG0lu3QbuL+KJuUGEiQTjhyhK8a/W BJ66orxv+BuigoBA8VO3ZkEQrTbLFe558zjYBUz1YbpJ/qM9nnpNFU1O4jIEfz7PDXPGnIQnW8Xdth GPDqeJJLiJu2V+yJYlcxnC/HXy+eX000/SQbe4HIbkEXr/S3NyFWbGNM2wZxA2YF1FW4kkgDG1OVKw 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2017 00:23:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59ac9ced90857_46313fb867eedc34307c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roni noticed this, and some in the text that ekr added about it being RST-like. That text I haven't changed on the expectation that we will merge #721. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/755 -- Commit Summary -- * There was an extra mention of Public Reset -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/755.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/755.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/755 ----==_mimepart_59ac9ced90857_46313fb867eedc34307c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Roni noticed this, and some in the text that ekr added about it being RST-like.
That text I haven't changed on the expectation that we will merge #721.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/755

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  • There was an extra mention of Public Reset

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----==_mimepart_59ac9ced90857_46313fb867eedc34307c6-- From nobody Sun Sep 3 18:28:33 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C8E132713 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2017 18:28:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kubYtWK8ge1R for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2017 18:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7656E132715 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2017 18:28:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=SvBugfpsm31Unqz/Ojl9/wafmmw=; b=oduvO9Z/VHwLh77c IhBZdaytLN6TMm4MvCZSIR5DKdeX6rCPoWWCYw8QneaN2J40y2vV2XdwknGvyz7u JG8UBhTTfBVbKnFco6O/nFmMuqlEoc76ibUXIR22VvxYDFj15rqwDgvzyA1EnyGf c5Nu6/iP0n4+m02sJnA3TElfHdc= Received: by filter0847p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0847p1mdw1-10377-59ACAC3D-21 2017-09-04 01:28:29.553696916 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0029p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id VQecV5L5TeeJ_K7pbBdAeA for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2017 01:28:29.361 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2017 01:28:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Nottingham Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Split error code space (#722) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59acac3da650_e1c3fbd99609c3010317e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mnot X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0whHGIF60ITaaq0ucInACCUSarbA1L9SIthc OytsdWl21CffAn5XdU1wMi8Kuo0oTEC6RMtwwodTYRoMPI1zNLkEydUAHe6r63GYdNVpP36FOaeuSO y5w+K6bzNFeOyb5kMFzpJ2Lfb1xwLq8iKUw1CvzUJ/GHdbGw+6X5G+1sYUCchUV/6m4bAeDLO8tbOH c= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2017 01:28:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59acac3da650_e1c3fbd99609c3010317e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson I think CI needs to be re-run; seems to have been a transient error from GH. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/722#issuecomment-326846744 ----==_mimepart_59acac3da650_e1c3fbd99609c3010317e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson I think CI needs to be re-run; seems to have been a transient error from GH.

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We should be a lot clearer about what it means to receive HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED for a stream where part of the response was received. What if you receive (in the same packet even) a STREAM frame containing the headers block and a 200 status code, followed by a cancellation of that stream?

This also applies to GOAWAY, which implicitly sends HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED for all requests with stream ID > N.

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In reviewing GOAWAY I noticed a few things. I don't think that these are controversial, but they probably need clarification.

  • The QUIC stream ID MUST be a client-initiated frame.

  • The QUIC stream ID can be lower than the ID of streams that carried requests, even completed requests. If the stream carried a request that was successfully completed, then the fact that the stream was "cancelled" by the GOAWAY doesn't retroactively cancel that request. Critically, completed streams can't be safely retried. See also #756.

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Application error codes can be used for both connection and stream errors and are under the control of the application protocol. Transport error codes are QUIC-controlled, but can only terminate the connection. To fix this, I had to add IANA considerations for error codes, plus a few extra tweaks. I think that the error code space could be narrowed to 16 bits after this, if only to keep things sane. Closes #132. Commit: b6e9172086f74bd897f35f5a9d18517fd71e1873 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b6e9172086f74bd897f35f5a9d18517fd71e1873 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-04 (Mon, 04 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- s/Public Reset/Stateless Reset/ Commit: 5e3029f9546cf79bdd24815c419260d5a1775a75 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5e3029f9546cf79bdd24815c419260d5a1775a75 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-04 (Mon, 04 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Get codes consistent Commit: 65308ffb40a39e3bfd6a9433e2514bb070f94306 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/65308ffb40a39e3bfd6a9433e2514bb070f94306 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-04 (Mon, 04 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Make STOP_SENDING application-specific as well Commit: 49c3d5fc8f2c79aefc5620d103cfc1f5ba03678b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/49c3d5fc8f2c79aefc5620d103cfc1f5ba03678b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-04 (Mon, 04 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Split errors in HTTP too Commit: 7e1397efea19538b6d58291dd45a296f560b0527 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7e1397efea19538b6d58291dd45a296f560b0527 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-04 (Mon, 04 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Refine description of HTTP codes Commit: 2396a4ed45c357b4985603cae4f6983769bae5e3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2396a4ed45c357b4985603cae4f6983769bae5e3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-04 (Mon, 04 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Move TLS errors closer Commit: 99633e65a74613ae8862bccb41eba527e405dffb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/99633e65a74613ae8862bccb41eba527e405dffb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-04 (Mon, 04 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Match the names Commit: 9be383bd88b1bace90ffd17bd7075c8ad0c35785 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9be383bd88b1bace90ffd17bd7075c8ad0c35785 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-04 (Mon, 04 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Add HTTP_NO_ERROR Commit: d687a9aae47258dca51db9b5a3d63494a1014fbf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d687a9aae47258dca51db9b5a3d63494a1014fbf Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-04 (Mon, 04 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Review comments Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/3f1867a100da...d687a9aae472 ----==_mimepart_59acb6491fed2_30f23fa1d2369c38123390-- From nobody Sun Sep 3 20:49:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893F0134614 for ; 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59acce8074021_189f3fbf391b9c3816996a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2017 04:19:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59acce8074021_189f3fbf391b9c3816996a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/proof-of-receipt Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 481a7b5bfc24e9b11ea9dc1cbee1ad96975c10d4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/481a7b5bfc24e9b11ea9dc1cbee1ad96975c10d4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-23 (Wed, 23 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Avoid attack on address validation during connection migration The attack here is that an attacker might duplicate a legitimate packet and send that packet from an invalid address such that it arrives before the real copy. That causes the recipient to think that there was a connection migration. They will attempt to validate that address and this will fail. The connection is then closed. The fix is to cause a migration back to the original, legitimate address. For this to work, you need two things: 1. when a migration happens, abandon any validation on the old address on the expectation that it will fail 2. when a migration happens, make sure that you try to trigger packets from the old address first For the second point, I decided to mandate address validation, rather than an ordinary PING. The reason being that you have to retransmit the packet on that path and I doubt that implementations will want to have two sets of special machinery for transmiting - and retransmitting - frames on a specific path. Maybe this is too much of a constraint on implementations, so I'd like to hear from people about whether they would prefer a more generic requirement (send any packet that demands acknowledgment would work, it doesn't even have to be the same packet every time, though the usual situation will be that the packet will be lost, so you probably don't want to send anything important). 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Objectively, it makes very little sense for the frame to be defined at the transport layer. There are minor advantages to the current arrangement in terms of generality (if we can agree that the concept is properly generic), and in performance (it can be sent at the transport layer without being subject to HOLB, though this might be removed by having it sent on a new stream). However, neither of those benefits are significant enough to justify the cost of it being out of place.

Raised as a consequence of discussion on #722. This being just my opinion.

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This is really an application-layer concept because it deals with the
cancellation of streams and the transport should never be doing that.

Closes #758.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/759

Commit Summary

  • Move STOP_SENDING to HTTP/QUIC

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If the packet number for sending reaches 2^64 - 1, the sender MUST close the connection without sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame or any further packets;" 1. I think the first sentence contradicts the Immediate close which allows same packet. 2. Which of the terminating cases is described in the above text. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/721#issuecomment-327075226 ----==_mimepart_59ae36c24f70e_109d3ffbc1511c2c440e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Regarding client processing of Server Stateless Retry:

Remove language of "In effect, the next cryptographic handshake message is sent on a new
connection" as its pretty much not true if for no other reason that the crypto state is not the same as a new connection.

Of particular concern here was an interop issue where the second client hello used a new connection ID because of the "new connection" language, but the server rejected the HRR cookie because the address validation within it was bound to the old connection ID which seems like a legitimate thing to do when making those tokens opaque. 2 other implementations have chosen to keep the connID constant across CI.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/760

Commit Summary

  • Clarify the In Effect a new Connection language in Stateless Retry

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Another question for stateless reset "After the Stateless Reset Token, the endpoint pads the message with an arbitrary number of octets containing random values." is it the endpoint or the server?

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A few nits, mostly editorial. LGTM'ing -- please feel free to merge once you've addressed these. > + +* application close ({{application-close}}) +* idle timeout ({{idle-timeout}}) +* immediate close ({{immediate-close}}) +* stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}}) + + +### Draining Period {#draining} + +After a connection is closed for any reason, an endpoint might receive packets +from its peer. These packets might have been sent prior to receiving any close +signal, or they might be retransmissions of packets for which acknowledgments +were lost. + +The draining period persists for three times the maximum of minimum RTO +(kMinRTOTimeout) or the round trip time (smoothed_rtt), see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} I'm sorry if I mis-spoke, I would simply say "three times the RTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}." The RTO value is basically a max(minRTO, f(smoothed_rtt, rtt_variance)), and 3 times the RTO value allows for two consecutive timeout periods. > +* idle timeout ({{idle-timeout}}) +* immediate close ({{immediate-close}}) +* stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}}) + + +### Draining Period {#draining} + +After a connection is closed for any reason, an endpoint might receive packets +from its peer. These packets might have been sent prior to receiving any close +signal, or they might be retransmissions of packets for which acknowledgments +were lost. + +The draining period persists for three times the maximum of minimum RTO +(kMinRTOTimeout) or the round trip time (smoothed_rtt), see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} +for descriptions of these values. During this period, new packets can be +attributed to the correct connection and acknowledged, but the connection is no nit: remove phrase "attributed to the correct connection and". Seems unnecessary. > +* immediate close ({{immediate-close}}) +* stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}}) + + +### Draining Period {#draining} + +After a connection is closed for any reason, an endpoint might receive packets +from its peer. These packets might have been sent prior to receiving any close +signal, or they might be retransmissions of packets for which acknowledgments +were lost. + +The draining period persists for three times the maximum of minimum RTO +(kMinRTOTimeout) or the round trip time (smoothed_rtt), see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} +for descriptions of these values. During this period, new packets can be +attributed to the correct connection and acknowledged, but the connection is no +longer considered active and usable. nit: instead of "the connection is no longer considered active and usable", how about "no new data or retransmittable packets may be sent on the connection"? The allowable frames are elucidated below, so I'd be happy with just "no new data may be sent on the connection." > +immediately. A CONNECTION_CLOSE causes all open streams to immediately become +closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset. After sending or +receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints immediately enter a draining +period. + +During the draining period, an endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame +SHOULD respond to any subsequent packet that it receives with another packet +containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame. To reduce the state that an endpoint +maintains in this case, it MAY send the exact same packet. However, endpoints +SHOULD limit the number of CONNECTION_CLOSE messages they generate. For +instance, an endpoint could progressively increase the number of packets that it +receives before sending additional CONNECTION_CLOSE frames. + +Note: + +: Allowing retransmision of a packet contradicts other advice in this document typo: retransmision --> retransmission -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/721#pullrequestreview-60774331 ----==_mimepart_59af3f02ad76a_4c353f7fa0de1c3c46142 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

A few nits, mostly editorial. LGTM'ing -- please feel free to merge once you've addressed these.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+* application close ({{application-close}})
+* idle timeout ({{idle-timeout}})
+* immediate close ({{immediate-close}})
+* stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}})
+
+
+### Draining Period {#draining}
+
+After a connection is closed for any reason, an endpoint might receive packets
+from its peer.  These packets might have been sent prior to receiving any close
+signal, or they might be retransmissions of packets for which acknowledgments
+were lost.
+
+The draining period persists for three times the maximum of minimum RTO
+(kMinRTOTimeout) or the round trip time (smoothed_rtt), see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}

I'm sorry if I mis-spoke, I would simply say "three times the RTO, see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}." The RTO value is basically a max(minRTO, f(smoothed_rtt, rtt_variance)), and 3 times the RTO value allows for two consecutive timeout periods.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +* idle timeout ({{idle-timeout}})
+* immediate close ({{immediate-close}})
+* stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}})
+
+
+### Draining Period {#draining}
+
+After a connection is closed for any reason, an endpoint might receive packets
+from its peer.  These packets might have been sent prior to receiving any close
+signal, or they might be retransmissions of packets for which acknowledgments
+were lost.
+
+The draining period persists for three times the maximum of minimum RTO
+(kMinRTOTimeout) or the round trip time (smoothed_rtt), see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}
+for descriptions of these values.  During this period, new packets can be
+attributed to the correct connection and acknowledged, but the connection is no

nit: remove phrase "attributed to the correct connection and". Seems unnecessary.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +* immediate close ({{immediate-close}})
+* stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}})
+
+
+### Draining Period {#draining}
+
+After a connection is closed for any reason, an endpoint might receive packets
+from its peer.  These packets might have been sent prior to receiving any close
+signal, or they might be retransmissions of packets for which acknowledgments
+were lost.
+
+The draining period persists for three times the maximum of minimum RTO
+(kMinRTOTimeout) or the round trip time (smoothed_rtt), see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}
+for descriptions of these values.  During this period, new packets can be
+attributed to the correct connection and acknowledged, but the connection is no
+longer considered active and usable.

nit: instead of "the connection is no longer considered active and usable", how about "no new data or retransmittable packets may be sent on the connection"? The allowable frames are elucidated below, so I'd be happy with just "no new data may be sent on the connection."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +immediately.  A CONNECTION_CLOSE causes all open streams to immediately become
+closed; open streams can be assumed to be implicitly reset.  After sending or
+receiving a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, endpoints immediately enter a draining
+period.
+
+During the draining period, an endpoint that sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame
+SHOULD respond to any subsequent packet that it receives with another packet
+containing a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame.  To reduce the state that an endpoint
+maintains in this case, it MAY send the exact same packet.  However, endpoints
+SHOULD limit the number of CONNECTION_CLOSE messages they generate.  For
+instance, an endpoint could progressively increase the number of packets that it
+receives before sending additional CONNECTION_CLOSE frames.
+
+Note:
+
+: Allowing retransmision of a packet contradicts other advice in this document

typo: retransmision --> retransmission

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A few comments. This needs to be rebased and the resolution on the list will cause this to change further, I expect. > @@ -844,7 +844,8 @@ explained in more detail as they are referenced later in the document. |:------------|:------------------|:----------------------------| | 0x00 | PADDING | {{frame-padding}} | | 0x01 | RST_STREAM | {{frame-rst-stream}} | -| 0x02 | CONNECTION_CLOSE | {{frame-connection-close}} | +| 0x02 | TRANSPORT_CLOSE | {{frame-transport-close}} | I prefer connection close -- a connection is a transport notion anyways. CONNECTION_CLOSE and APPLICATION_CLOSE ought to be clear enough, IMO. > @@ -1609,7 +1635,7 @@ The RST_STREAM frame is as follows: +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Stream ID (32) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -| Error Code (32) | +| App Protocol Error Code (32) | nit: spell out "Application" > @@ -1623,43 +1649,51 @@ Stream ID: : The 32-bit Stream ID of the stream being terminated. -Error code: +App Protocol Error Code: ditto > Error Code: : A 32-bit error code which indicates the reason for closing this connection. + TRANSPORT_CLOSE uses codes from the space defined in {{error-codes}}; + APPLICATION_CLOSE uses codes from the application protocol error code space + ({{app-error-codes}}). I would at least parenthesize it then. > @@ -2608,11 +2654,10 @@ discarded upon receipt. This avoids potential ambiguity about which STREAM frames count toward flow control. Upon receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed -(remote)" states, an endpoint MUST send a RST_STREAM with an error code of -QUIC_RECEIVED_RST. If the STOP_SENDING frame is received on a stream that is -already in the "half-closed (local)" or "closed" states, a RST_STREAM frame MAY -still be sent in order to cancel retransmission of previously-sent STREAM -frames. +(remote)" states, an endpoint MUST send a RST_STREAM frame. If the STOP_SENDING I understand, but there's an issue here. If the transport receives a STOP_SENDING and MUST send a RST_STREAM, there's nothing in here that requires the application to do something in between the receiving of the STOP_SENDING and sending of the RST_STREAM. If it's not a transport requirement to send a RST_STREAM, then the "MUST" doesn't belong here. So I would remove any mention of RST_STREAM being sent here; that's an application's prerogative. The transport does not need to ensure this. 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A few comments. This needs to be rebased and the resolution on the list will cause this to change further, I expect.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -844,7 +844,8 @@ explained in more detail as they are referenced later in the document.
 |:------------|:------------------|:----------------------------|
 | 0x00        | PADDING           | {{frame-padding}}           |
 | 0x01        | RST_STREAM        | {{frame-rst-stream}}        |
-| 0x02        | CONNECTION_CLOSE  | {{frame-connection-close}}  |
+| 0x02        | TRANSPORT_CLOSE   | {{frame-transport-close}}   |

I prefer connection close -- a connection is a transport notion anyways. CONNECTION_CLOSE and APPLICATION_CLOSE ought to be clear enough, IMO.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1609,7 +1635,7 @@ The RST_STREAM frame is as follows:
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |                        Stream ID (32)                         |
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|                        Error Code (32)                        |
+|                  App Protocol Error Code (32)                 |

nit: spell out "Application"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1623,43 +1649,51 @@ Stream ID:
 
 : The 32-bit Stream ID of the stream being terminated.
 
-Error code:
+App Protocol Error Code:

ditto

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Error Code:
 
 : A 32-bit error code which indicates the reason for closing this connection.
+  TRANSPORT_CLOSE uses codes from the space defined in {{error-codes}};
+  APPLICATION_CLOSE uses codes from the application protocol error code space
+  ({{app-error-codes}}).

I would at least parenthesize it then.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2608,11 +2654,10 @@ discarded upon receipt.  This avoids potential ambiguity about which STREAM
 frames count toward flow control.
 
 Upon receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed
-(remote)" states, an endpoint MUST send a RST_STREAM with an error code of
-QUIC_RECEIVED_RST.  If the STOP_SENDING frame is received on a stream that is
-already in the "half-closed (local)" or "closed" states, a RST_STREAM frame MAY
-still be sent in order to cancel retransmission of previously-sent STREAM
-frames.
+(remote)" states, an endpoint MUST send a RST_STREAM frame.  If the STOP_SENDING

I understand, but there's an issue here. If the transport receives a STOP_SENDING and MUST send a RST_STREAM, there's nothing in here that requires the application to do something in between the receiving of the STOP_SENDING and sending of the RST_STREAM. If it's not a transport requirement to send a RST_STREAM, then the "MUST" doesn't belong here. So I would remove any mention of RST_STREAM being sent here; that's an application's prerogative. The transport does not need to ensure this.

That said, I think I'm with you on STOP_SENDING. It's an HTTP-ism, so it probably belongs in the application. I'll chime in on the list.

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If 0-RTT is rejected should the client:

  1. start over at the application layer
  2. close all streams that it initiated (can't do that because stream 1 is special)
  3. just pretend that the packets were lost and need retransmission

Previously, people (@RyanAtGoogle) advocated for 3. So far the preponderance of feedback on the list has been in favour of 1, which is at least consistent with the approach in TLS.

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----==_mimepart_59af48a065615_54553fa866707c3810345d-- From nobody Tue Sep 5 18:05:10 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06AA2132E41 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2017 18:05:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aMu3o-a5ybJa for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2017 18:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6C60132E3D for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2017 18:05:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=+ajhYc+WF4dzSEfnNg24IDeEuNE=; b=uMOINubz4WFsGW2D dA+Fyz1vvDmx3uWKhbfGU5rJ1hGJmCKcbC0WpTQt34dz+DtmDb/DE3Zqgol0Z/jf xJDzhJ31zFSP+3baShdJxw4TFXbJtKvswGA6PYqQSFX9gIIfeRF6juArb9RK+FEI TsAts1W/H+Dx7juzMI+zD7kYOhg= Received: by filter0319p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0319p1las1-7951-59AF49C0-30 2017-09-06 01:05:05.07277125 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 2ENtmy2BRimuv2xqK7ljiQ for ; Wed, 06 Sep 2017 01:05:04.934 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 01:05:05 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Congestion feedback for rejected 0-RTT (#762) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59af49c0bf940_5fbd3f94a7cffc304227c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3VBMVbpgzkKmA6nSGOMV1PyDn52209LAlM5d pc/gj3hfwYRCDl85O2/PwMJWXGSbx9zs6v7MFxRBrfpy57E77H4dji6HjXnscvB0syIvHLkye9IKLD ka1u/M+ktalQKBeP6lgIdwmBtHTVlz63cY/hnw3CSZ/hklam91JUEYEuAW0LsbRiaLp2bz9hkOFEcU o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 01:05:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59af49c0bf940_5fbd3f94a7cffc304227c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When 0-RTT is rejected, any packets protected with those keys will be discarded by the server. 0-RTT rejection means that the server pretends that it can't read 0-RTT. As a result, servers cannot (MUST NOT actually) acknowledge rejected 0-RTT. This needs discussion in the recovery draft. What do we tell the congestion controller about these packets? The current design seems to only take bytes sent and packet loss as inputs to the algorithm. That leads to the controller assuming that the packet was received successfully, when we have no way of knowing whether that is true or not. We certainly don't want the client to ignore the fact that it sent packets, so what do we recommend? See also #761. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/762 ----==_mimepart_59af49c0bf940_5fbd3f94a7cffc304227c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

When 0-RTT is rejected, any packets protected with those keys will be discarded by the server. 0-RTT rejection means that the server pretends that it can't read 0-RTT. As a result, servers cannot (MUST NOT actually) acknowledge rejected 0-RTT.

This needs discussion in the recovery draft. What do we tell the congestion controller about these packets? The current design seems to only take bytes sent and packet loss as inputs to the algorithm. That leads to the controller assuming that the packet was received successfully, when we have no way of knowing whether that is true or not. We certainly don't want the client to ignore the fact that it sent packets, so what do we recommend?

See also #761.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2608,11 +2654,10 @@ discarded upon receipt.  This avoids potential ambiguity about which STREAM
 frames count toward flow control.
 
 Upon receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed
-(remote)" states, an endpoint MUST send a RST_STREAM with an error code of
-QUIC_RECEIVED_RST.  If the STOP_SENDING frame is received on a stream that is
-already in the "half-closed (local)" or "closed" states, a RST_STREAM frame MAY
-still be sent in order to cancel retransmission of previously-sent STREAM
-frames.
+(remote)" states, an endpoint MUST send a RST_STREAM frame.  If the STOP_SENDING

I agree. I think that I'd rather do the move of STOP_SENDING, but I'll tweak the text here in case someone objects to the other PR.

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----==_mimepart_59af4da8e1541_70b83fc4adb53c3487552-- From nobody Tue Sep 5 18:28:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0D31321AA for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2017 18:28:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LzJR0kT7LI4Z for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2017 18:28:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D77901252BA for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2017 18:27:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=huqcIJUxZ601S2RB6TvXZH09JOs=; b=PkXhqihR42z/KpA1 1/YykIXWXOVc1hY6WBy/US7Duu+KDp+EEYmg+ZsjJd24pyE+tSTILi/GgjRKG4Bs NSwTQN8RMTT2RJUmTm0SUg8V5qUfVI4/tSUQbBshmTROxRU4bSSK1K6Tr7uUIeOH MiNyaoB/+E7gilr8CJ3Z8W24w0s= Received: by filter0796p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0796p1mdw1-30006-59AF4F1E-19 2017-09-06 01:27:58.344988173 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0036p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id mxlRNgKSRFubFe5M8zX8mA for ; Wed, 06 Sep 2017 01:27:58.337 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 01:27:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Refactor the section on connection termination (#721) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59af4f1e15033_7f93fd08185dc34100551"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak09cve49svcjWDQWgVgIwEXI11N0y9IKA67MK szNqKzV4rPOf6pCRBWMqjtFh+GpIwJU0fS2s3OFj9mCPhtv+TiqN0VvJX97DYRlpAQpzuG7h3/dAgq Dy9bsJBf+Eozw++V/19mrWtdHDiryHPc/wi3O9MSix32+7Y4oNlF5rpFABHBkIYJx0V2O64pUcp2cu w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 01:28:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59af4f1e15033_7f93fd08185dc34100551 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > +* immediate close ({{immediate-close}}) +* stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}}) + + +### Draining Period {#draining} + +After a connection is closed for any reason, an endpoint might receive packets +from its peer. These packets might have been sent prior to receiving any close +signal, or they might be retransmissions of packets for which acknowledgments +were lost. + +The draining period persists for three times the maximum of minimum RTO +(kMinRTOTimeout) or the round trip time (smoothed_rtt), see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} +for descriptions of these values. During this period, new packets can be +attributed to the correct connection and acknowledged, but the connection is no +longer considered active and usable. I went with the latter. I'm trying *really* hard not to say that anything is retransmittable, packets or frames. I want to keep reinforcing the idea that it's the *contents* of frames (the data or signal) that is retransmitted. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/721#discussion_r137153225 ----==_mimepart_59af4f1e15033_7f93fd08185dc34100551 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +* immediate close ({{immediate-close}})
+* stateless reset ({{stateless-reset}})
+
+
+### Draining Period {#draining}
+
+After a connection is closed for any reason, an endpoint might receive packets
+from its peer.  These packets might have been sent prior to receiving any close
+signal, or they might be retransmissions of packets for which acknowledgments
+were lost.
+
+The draining period persists for three times the maximum of minimum RTO
+(kMinRTOTimeout) or the round trip time (smoothed_rtt), see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}
+for descriptions of these values.  During this period, new packets can be
+attributed to the correct connection and acknowledged, but the connection is no
+longer considered active and usable.

I went with the latter. I'm trying really hard not to say that anything is retransmittable, packets or frames. I want to keep reinforcing the idea that it's the contents of frames (the data or signal) that is retransmitted.

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@mcmanus, I tweaked it. Is that OK?

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Closed #733 via #721.

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Closed #748.

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Fixed by #721, I hope.

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Fixed in #721.

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4.4 references "Ack only frames" -- I suspect this should be ACK-only packets, or perhaps more generally, packets which don't contain anything retransmittable.

I'm also a little confused as to why this is, but that could just be my lack of familiarity with the congestion control space.

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I remain dubious of this direction, but the PR itself is fine. > @@ -389,6 +389,23 @@ HTTP_PUSH_ALREADY_IN_CACHE; see {{errors}}). This asks the server not to transfer the data and indicates that it will be discarded upon receipt. +## Solicited Stream Cancellation + +If an endpoint is no longer interested in the data being received, it MAY send a +STOP_SENDING frame to request prompt closure of the stream in the opposite +direction. This typically indicates that the receiving application is no longer +reading from the stream, but does not guarantee that incoming data will be +ignored. + +Upon receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed I wouldn't say "on a stream," since the frame is delivered on the control channel. > @@ -389,6 +389,23 @@ HTTP_PUSH_ALREADY_IN_CACHE; see {{errors}}). This asks the server not to transfer the data and indicates that it will be discarded upon receipt. +## Solicited Stream Cancellation + +If an endpoint is no longer interested in the data being received, it MAY send a +STOP_SENDING frame to request prompt closure of the stream in the opposite +direction. This typically indicates that the receiving application is no longer +reading from the stream, but does not guarantee that incoming data will be +ignored. + +Upon receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed +(remote)" states, an endpoint MUST send a QUIC RST_STREAM frame. If the +STOP_SENDING frame is received on a stream that is already in the "half-closed +(local)" or "closed" states, a RST_STREAM frame MAY still be sent in order to +cancel retransmission of previously-sent STREAM frames. 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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

I remain dubious of this direction, but the PR itself is fine.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -389,6 +389,23 @@ HTTP_PUSH_ALREADY_IN_CACHE; see {{errors}}).  This asks the server not to
 transfer the data and indicates that it will be discarded upon receipt.
 
 
+## Solicited Stream Cancellation
+
+If an endpoint is no longer interested in the data being received, it MAY send a
+STOP_SENDING frame to request prompt closure of the stream in the opposite
+direction.  This typically indicates that the receiving application is no longer
+reading from the stream, but does not guarantee that incoming data will be
+ignored.
+
+Upon receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed

I wouldn't say "on a stream," since the frame is delivered on the control channel.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -389,6 +389,23 @@ HTTP_PUSH_ALREADY_IN_CACHE; see {{errors}}).  This asks the server not to
 transfer the data and indicates that it will be discarded upon receipt.
 
 
+## Solicited Stream Cancellation
+
+If an endpoint is no longer interested in the data being received, it MAY send a
+STOP_SENDING frame to request prompt closure of the stream in the opposite
+direction.  This typically indicates that the receiving application is no longer
+reading from the stream, but does not guarantee that incoming data will be
+ignored.
+
+Upon receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame on a stream in the "open" or "half-closed
+(remote)" states, an endpoint MUST send a QUIC RST_STREAM frame.  If the
+STOP_SENDING frame is received on a stream that is already in the "half-closed
+(local)" or "closed" states, a RST_STREAM frame MAY still be sent in order to
+cancel retransmission of previously-sent STREAM frames.  Sending a STOP_SENDING

Moving this piece to the HTTP layer adds an implicit new feature to QUIC API surfaces -- the ability to RST a closed stream.

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----==_mimepart_59b03bfce4fa9_46113f90181d9c2c84188-- From nobody Wed Sep 6 12:13:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4171329AB for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 12:13:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q6O3P8jL29XY for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 12:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FA55132964 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 12:12:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=08ug9xpeq6UhQ9pgZKoEffR2H0o=; b=pXjd35oI8nqjWkhP 945PnECTvjBfHxy389u9px9bKQXeC1PIm9JYta+sqmqIENnzwbi8rw5KN/DLphOm qHJDN97c6jgVSDO2RzsxpHfqXnzLCowXlcKgT3hyefS6lvNDW4QCbEZ18CxImT/w OQU7R4fOgW/Jfym3wn7q6BnXzCk= Received: by filter0459p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0459p1mdw1-4906-59B048BA-4 2017-09-06 19:12:58.087919471 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0040p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id nrwOT4BHRMWakoIyBotqIg for ; Wed, 06 Sep 2017 19:12:58.108 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 19:12:58 +0000 (UTC) From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Does a timestamp for a packet implicity ACK it (#698) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59b048b9ce1d3_76a13fac2f7f5c2c67714"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3+l58WzHDVkE5KXk/q6NurwHwHv0De6kgZNE 5UFWFxkSVDl4AgULU7RTPIZJ4g8nJUuAsxUHlvU4uQjRn8dlBfYQZxsDQvBSM/PsoseSYh3B/Hxz7E wX/C0oNeLiR/W6WGN7WT6TyWlXDiejJToO/+i0QTLbiabftqpLHw4Y4YoCE8E9yTd12jKUDgbovlOr E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 19:13:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59b048b9ce1d3_76a13fac2f7f5c2c67714 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > to say that one MUST not specify timestamps that don't have corresponding ack blocks I actually would go the other way on this. If we are expected to send timestamps in most cases anyway, there is zero information added to also have a sack block for that data. If the ACK frame is lost, it's perfectly fine to later represent the receipt of that packet as an ack block. But IMO receivers MUST interpret timestamps as an acknowledgement. Senders: - MUST represent receipt of a packet as either a timestamp OR an ack block in a single ACK frame. - SHOULD represent it as a timestamp when first attempting to ack the packet; -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/698#issuecomment-327584965 ----==_mimepart_59b048b9ce1d3_76a13fac2f7f5c2c67714 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

to say that one MUST not specify timestamps that don't have correspondin= g ack blocks

I actually would go the other way on this. If we are expected to send ti= mestamps in most cases anyway, there is zero information added to also have= a sack block for that data. If the ACK frame is lost, it's perfectly fine = to later represent the receipt of that packet as an ack block.

But IMO receivers MUST interpret timestamps as an acknowledgement. Sende= rs:

  • MUST represent receipt of a packet as either a timestamp OR an ack bloc= k in a single ACK frame.
  • SHOULD represent it as a timestamp when first attempting to ack the pac= ket;

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@mnot Can we mark this for "needs discussion?" There are a lot of issues (which I need to write up) with norms and formatting for the ACK frame, but this fundamental issue is key to resolving those issues.

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----==_mimepart_59b05f9921988_2eac3fa68da99c3c705f1-- From nobody Wed Sep 6 14:06:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2468A1329C5 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:06:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 069LDFdyatZI for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB983132026 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 14:06:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1504732012; bh=uTXtzJH+kKXL5vbXGct8XPykvOEQ9FEqkjHWJ44peiw=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JUR0f0u+AbaHNtTeqbXzPHD2sc3rYa1Cwx7VhNRaMkDV6IsM89hAx1DCD/UBSB2G+ xRrYFJ0avXrXcyJiwfgeNBShAIwOcuMlP4zFjZB53Xkb/ASY+GrRlURP08WRwu+o0R JZ0bGU4fSwF4dyzjmJ3I75RG7EKmWI9N3I8tHBPk= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Does a timestamp for a packet implicity ACK it (#698) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59b0636c42d84_12683fab243b1c3024440"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 21:06:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59b0636c42d84_12683fab243b1c3024440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinduke: I agree with you in theory that a timestamp semantically is an ack. That said, I can't see why a receiver would send a timestamp but not an ack for it -- that seems backwards. Timestamps are advisory in that they may or may not be received, and they tend to be sent just once. Acks are the "primary" information here. It is much simpler to write out all the ack blocks and then fit all the timestamps you can within a frame, than to have rules that mix and match both. Making the receiver never send timestamps for packets that are not being acked in the frame makes it clear what the expected behavior is, and simplifies parsing the ack frame. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/698#issuecomment-327612919 ----==_mimepart_59b0636c42d84_12683fab243b1c3024440 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mart= induke: I agree with you in theory that a timestamp semantically is a= n ack. That said, I can't see why a receiver would send a timestamp but n= ot an ack for it -- that seems backwards. Timestamps are advisory in that= they may or may not be received, and they tend to be sent just once.

=

Acks are the "primary" information here. It is much simpler to write o= ut all the ack blocks and then fit all the timestamps you can within a fr= ame, than to have rules that mix and match both. Making the receiver neve= r send timestamps for packets that are not being acked in the frame makes= it clear what the expected behavior is, and simplifies parsing the ack f= rame.

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= ----==_mimepart_59b0636c42d84_12683fab243b1c3024440-- From nobody Wed Sep 6 14:13:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819A6132A81 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:13:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6zaJeceWV3hL for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FC93132A05 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 14:13:38 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1504732418; bh=C1A0nayfQNvJVCX/SeJfy/Ku2L+mFCfgQwAWAHjuj9s=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=exuM+dfusI/RLpCIYAoGYJKIOzRPTWOSXLcM114bHT2mhzh6rPzGpochY8bLB4Zy3 aPwlwUfrzShb+yhIYgc07pbQOoJd76MK2OK2REgqrwUQHyCYlWNwsCX36fyqjF+rQg IbcIDzBU3p8ZHYzW/CCBanxviW4sOtk2nCFEWVWE= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Does a timestamp for a packet implicity ACK it (#698) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59b06502d5d4_3a4c3f804b305c2c111643"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 21:13:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59b06502d5d4_3a4c3f804b305c2c111643 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not suggesting that we get rid of ack blocks. But if recommend that people send timestamps once, making them also send an ack block in that frame is perverse. It is very easy for a receiver to cross off a packet if it sees either one. Making it check for both also makes things harder. When the timestamp is lost, I am all for the retransmission including just ack blocks. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/698#issuecomment-327614368 ----==_mimepart_59b06502d5d4_3a4c3f804b305c2c111643 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm not suggesting that we get rid of ack blocks. But if recommend tha= t people send timestamps once, making them also send an ack block in that= frame is perverse. It is very easy for a receiver to cross off a packet = if it sees either one. Making it check for both also makes things harder.=

When the timestamp is lost, I am all for the retransmission including = just ack blocks.

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Merged #760.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59b06b0e68653_41a23ffac5795c3440815"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 21:39:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59b06b0e68653_41a23ffac5795c3440815 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 7399913483d5b4fd5e25d1d8c1d9a3a06b743306 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7399913483d5b4fd5e25d1d8c1d9a3a06b743306 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-09-05 (Tue, 05 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify the In Effect a new Connection language in Stateless Retry Commit: 6684ebf53344bd1da56c84356610a7e7ceb48b9a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6684ebf53344bd1da56c84356610a7e7ceb48b9a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Minor clarification Commit: 06231d0635a64ef9abd1b2f393cf219ae5af3fff https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/06231d0635a64ef9abd1b2f393cf219ae5af3fff Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-07 (Thu, 07 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #760 from mcmanus/mcmanus-ssr-effectively Clarify the In Effect a new Connection language in Stateless Retry Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/1af69cc8d87f...06231d0635a6 ----==_mimepart_59b06b0e68653_41a23ffac5795c3440815-- From nobody Wed Sep 6 14:42:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C52B132A81 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:42:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KDNOgmfjpK17 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 703AE126E64 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 14:42:12 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1504734132; bh=aexh7A6nbaFxP30WqKV1RpY3ub+gOWQVFV4BvcMQXrk=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DNTucia54AUCSFBI3agPsGytx10oNGCMCnXmyCGTPpKTd2iQgtNQH2uXZhUfKKe3w 7EbW6XdvtOXXbm0D+6ZeH0uREuPhWZSc2h3zaMxqyK42vqJaHj95IMzrJ1JkWkhjJt azD1JbOJsVoC+0XldPWPDl2CFtBv/nr78vqL8yEs= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK-only "frames" (#763) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59b06bb4d7b19_509c3fc332ea9c34740a0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2017 21:42:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59b06bb4d7b19_509c3fc332ea9c34740a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is more work needed here, but the point is that most congestion controllers depend heavily on feedback and if ACKs are held back by congestion control, the whole system can come crashing down. For that reason, we need a carve-out. If you are congestion-limited, then you can send a packet as long as it ONLY contains ACK frames. (No word about PADDING here or its effect, that's another issue that needs clarification.) BTW, ACKs should be identified as "retransmittable" (in the sense that the data they contain needs to be sent again somehow). That whole retransmittable concept needs a serious rework. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/763#issuecomment-327620437 ----==_mimepart_59b06bb4d7b19_509c3fc332ea9c34740a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There is more work needed here, but the point is that most congestion = controllers depend heavily on feedback and if ACKs are held back by conge= stion control, the whole system can come crashing down. For that reason,= we need a carve-out. If you are congestion-limited, then you can send a= packet as long as it ONLY contains ACK frames. (No word about PADDING h= ere or its effect, that's another issue that needs clarification.)

BTW, ACKs should be identified as "retransmittable" (in the sense that= the data they contain needs to be sent again somehow). That whole retra= nsmittable concept needs a serious rework.

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@martinduke pointed out that it's not clear what exactly an ACK frame include. Specifically, what packets should be acked and what timestamps should be included. We should be more explicit about this in the spec.

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Yes, it is clear that we should not include Ack blocks that have already= been acked, and that we SHOULD include timestamps exactly once per packet.= There is no stated recommendation on in-flight acks. Possibilities:
(i) Do not repeat them in subsequent acks
(ii) Repeat them only if they do not require additional ack blocks
(iii) Repeat them only if they require neither additional ack blocks nor lo= nger block lengths.
(iv) Always repeat them until acked

These have significant pros and cons. The benefits of not adding more AC= K overhead are obvious. The benefits of repeating acks are obvious. However= ,

(A) Repeating in-flight acks may increase largest_acked so that we canno= t include certain unsent timestamps.
(B) not repeating in-flight acks may create packet number gaps too= large to send subsequent ack blocks.

These are subtle issues, and the algorithms to optimize the outcomes are= not simple at all. Some sort of implementation guidance, or even narrowing= of what is allowed in the frame, would be helpful.

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I tried to fix language about byte offsets of a connection. only streams really have offsets.

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  • clarify absolute byte offset of a connection

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -887,6 +887,13 @@ server discards the incoming packet and responds with a Version Negotiation
 packet ({{packet-version}}).  This includes a list of versions that the server
 will accept.
 
+There is no limit to the size of the Version Negotiation packet, other than the
+number of versions that the server supports and the estimated path MTU.  To

Since the point of this change is to impose a limit, this first sentence seems contradictory. I'd just drop it.

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I detect a packet loss, so I take all the stuff in that packet and send it in a new packet. There has to be some sort of data structure in the PCB to track what's in the packet. I can clear that data structure once the packet is acked. There are two ambiguities here: (1) How long do I hold on to the packet data if lost? I can delete it immediately, hold it for _n_ retransmissions, or hold it until all acks and data in the packet are acked. Deleting it immediately is very simple, but if the ack comes back for that packet later and the first retransmission is lost, I will needlessly resend that data. Offline, Jana suggested keeping it for 1 retransmission. That is fine with me (minus the second item below) but I think some implementation guidance on when it is acceptable to throw away old packet data would be helpful. (2) More importantly, fitting the whole retransmission into a single packet does not hold in the general case. There might be an MTU change; the updated ack might be bigger; optimizers like me might want to aggregate multiple small packets into a single retransmission; some ack frames might be supersets of other ack frames, so although there is no direct retransmission relationship acking one of those packets might obviate the ack frame of the other. What all this implies is a many-to-many mapping where every time data or acks are acked, we have to clear that from all other packets that contain it. I started down this road before seeing that it was way too hairy to continue. **** So we're at a point where the optimal wire performance -- never throw it away until acked, allow mix-and-match of retransmissions -- is close to unimplementable. Some implementation guidance about what it's OK to not worry about, and perhaps some judicious prohibitions on particularly gnarly stuff, might help some. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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The basic case for retransmission is pretty straightforward. I detect a packet loss, so I take all the stuff in that packet and send it in a new packet. There has to be some sort of data structure in the PCB to track what's in the packet. I can clear that data structure once the packet is acked.

There are two ambiguities here:
(1) How long do I hold on to the packet data if lost? I can delete it immediately, hold it for n retransmissions, or hold it until all acks and data in the packet are acked.

Deleting it immediately is very simple, but if the ack comes back for that packet later and the first retransmission is lost, I will needlessly resend that data.

Offline, Jana suggested keeping it for 1 retransmission. That is fine with me (minus the second item below) but I think some implementation guidance on when it is acceptable to throw away old packet data would be helpful.

(2) More importantly, fitting the whole retransmission into a single packet does not hold in the general case. There might be an MTU change; the updated ack might be bigger; optimizers like me might want to aggregate multiple small packets into a single retransmission; some ack frames might be supersets of other ack frames, so although there is no direct retransmission relationship acking one of those packets might obviate the ack frame of the other.

What all this implies is a many-to-many mapping where every time data or acks are acked, we have to clear that from all other packets that contain it. I started down this road before seeing that it was way too hairy to continue.

So we're at a point where the optimal wire performance -- never throw it away until acked, allow mix-and-match of retransmissions -- is close to unimplementable. Some implementation guidance about what it's OK to not worry about, and perhaps some judicious prohibitions on particularly gnarly stuff, might help some.

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LGTM. I did the conflict resolution just to keep our PRs clean.

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@mart= induke, This is where I think that I'd like your opinion on #743. Is this a duplic= ate of that issue?

The model that I prefer is to hold the data in one place, but maintain= a separate structure that tracks where various pieces of that data were = sent. Having just reviewed code for DTLS that does exactly that, and hav= ing then worked on improving the retransmission logic, I can be fairly co= nfident in saying that it's a much better strategy for managing this sort= of thing.

The idea that you can just copy data from the last/lost packet to the = next one is rarely true. Enough so that attempting to do so is wasteful.=

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Change looks fine. > @@ -1067,7 +1070,7 @@ The HTTP/2 error codes defined in Section 7 of {{!RFC7540}} map to QUIC error codes as follows: NO_ERROR (0x0): -: QUIC_NO_ERROR +: HTTP_NO_ERROR "...in {{http-error-codes}}." for consistency with the others. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/722#pullrequestreview-61286145 ----==_mimepart_59b17b53d908e_13f0d3f8470b0dc34924f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Change looks fine.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1067,7 +1070,7 @@ The HTTP/2 error codes defined in Section 7 of {{!RFC7540}} map to QUIC error
 codes as follows:
 
 NO_ERROR (0x0):
-: QUIC_NO_ERROR
+: HTTP_NO_ERROR

"...in {{http-error-codes}}." for consistency with the others.

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When I was toying with this, I wound up tracking the delivery state of= frames, not packets. Each retransmittable frame was pending send, in-fl= ight, or delivered. Each packet that was outstanding was simply a list o= f frames that it contained, and changing a packet to lost or delivered wa= s really walking its packets and updating their state. Every ti= me I generated a packet, I filled it as full as possible with frames that= were pending send, with retransmissions being first. And I agree, it's = hairy.

You're right that you eventually need to get rid of the lists from old= lost packets, but ought to maintain them for a little while in case the = packet (or the ACK) is merely delayed. However, there's no great harm in= throwing it away too early (as you say, you'll get an ACK for a packet y= ou no longer know anything about, and so accidentally resend a frame) and= I'd say that can be left to the implementation.

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  • Fixes incorrect text and renames STREAM_ID_NEEDED to STREAM_ID_BLOCKED.

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So, the only thing I have a concern about is that if the transport is required to send a RST_STREAM in response to a STOP_SENDING, what's it to send without an error code? I would remove that requirement. Of course, this puts the onus on the application, but I think that's a natural outcome. (I think it also clarifies that STOP_SENDING is really an application signal.)

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Yep, managed to mess that one up...

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Merged #767.

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Merged #754.

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Closed #585 via #754.

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Yeah, for that though I would prefer to just merge #759.

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Fri, 08 Sep 2017 00:09:19 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2017 17:09:18 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59b1dfaeb9955_49553ff9c50a7c342052f@hookshot-fe3-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] b2c804: Refactor the section on connection termination Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59b1dfaeb9473_49553ff9c50a7c342046f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 00:09:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59b1dfaeb9473_49553ff9c50a7c342046f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/split-errors Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: b2c804118304205bf344e22c62575326cd13eff0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b2c804118304205bf344e22c62575326cd13eff0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-15 (Tue, 15 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Refactor the section on connection termination Commit: 60546fe7e8241b244a215e6ee91c90834054e2c4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/60546fe7e8241b244a215e6ee91c90834054e2c4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-15 (Tue, 15 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Review comments Commit: 58ab5f6d7d37da3825b63089999b4e578323d76b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/58ab5f6d7d37da3825b63089999b4e578323d76b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-15 (Tue, 15 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Stateless reset Commit: c4a246a6da28841480ea23d4669253d10cf8f075 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c4a246a6da28841480ea23d4669253d10cf8f075 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-23 (Wed, 23 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add the concept of a draining period Commit: 28e7cb2b9a5afafe3b8512121609477d02b097aa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/28e7cb2b9a5afafe3b8512121609477d02b097aa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-23 (Wed, 23 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial cleanup after self-review Commit: 72207659068826e9be662e04044cb354600d4183 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/72207659068826e9be662e04044cb354600d4183 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-24 (Thu, 24 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Receipt of CONNECTION_CLOSE commences draining Commit: 6861f9d728d2f0e760c0b5e5e61a2f67cbab1161 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6861f9d728d2f0e760c0b5e5e61a2f67cbab1161 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-25 (Fri, 25 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Stop sending _CLOSE when you get an ACK Commit: 9218dcc4d4aeef892583845170c41053a0461135 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9218dcc4d4aeef892583845170c41053a0461135 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-25 (Fri, 25 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Might as well stop on CONNECTION_CLOSE as well Commit: a215b5312f4a86c45caf13bed624179085196e46 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a215b5312f4a86c45caf13bed624179085196e46 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-28 (Mon, 28 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Minor editorial things Commit: 71d407998de5a09b93359b7aa0fd0d57066eb8ac https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/71d407998de5a09b93359b7aa0fd0d57066eb8ac Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-31 (Thu, 31 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Size limit for Version Negotiation As discussed, the limits are largely practical, and there should be enough incentive to avoid inflation, but it pays to be a little more precise when defining protocols or you can get odd downstream effects. I've chosen to limit the size to the CI. That's 1200 currently (or more) and should be plenty og space for many versions. Closes #585. Commit: 7399913483d5b4fd5e25d1d8c1d9a3a06b743306 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7399913483d5b4fd5e25d1d8c1d9a3a06b743306 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-09-05 (Tue, 05 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify the In Effect a new Connection language in Stateless Retry Commit: bda9b682c88f2c127e8caf81198ae3d4007f1e3d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bda9b682c88f2c127e8caf81198ae3d4007f1e3d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Jana's comments. Commit: 6684ebf53344bd1da56c84356610a7e7ceb48b9a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6684ebf53344bd1da56c84356610a7e7ceb48b9a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Minor clarification Commit: 817e24a15ca7a0bf842e505d349179e5d671add2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/817e24a15ca7a0bf842e505d349179e5d671add2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #721 from quicwg/cleanup-close Refactor the section on connection termination Commit: 1af69cc8d87f7efd58da0b44a676d8c15ab6c8fe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1af69cc8d87f7efd58da0b44a676d8c15ab6c8fe Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Only servers can use stateless reset Commit: 06231d0635a64ef9abd1b2f393cf219ae5af3fff https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/06231d0635a64ef9abd1b2f393cf219ae5af3fff Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-07 (Thu, 07 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #760 from mcmanus/mcmanus-ssr-effectively Clarify the In Effect a new Connection language in Stateless Retry Commit: dee0bca18ef689d3d631a9711063408cbd0f4319 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dee0bca18ef689d3d631a9711063408cbd0f4319 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- clarify absolute byte offset of a connection Commit: 1c43ea498ca224169854583c7ed7dda59792d27e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c43ea498ca224169854583c7ed7dda59792d27e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-07 (Thu, 07 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #766 from mcmanus/mcmanus-cfc1 clarify absolute byte offset of a connection Commit: ce27486c76a11eae83c218c6915b43391455ddfa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ce27486c76a11eae83c218c6915b43391455ddfa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-07 (Thu, 07 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove distracting sentence Commit: 88f3c589e5abd3568fd74deda24bdef6958649ae https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/88f3c589e5abd3568fd74deda24bdef6958649ae Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-09-07 (Thu, 07 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fixes incorrect text and renames STREAM_ID_NEEDED to STREAM_ID_BLOCKED. Commit: be8bce7f20270891c5a75b39a07514fc665a3e55 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/be8bce7f20270891c5a75b39a07514fc665a3e55 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-08 (Fri, 08 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #767 from quicwg/streamid Fixes incorrect text and renames STREAM_ID_NEEDED Commit: d6e7119bdaf6042d498ba427d56cf49c8f3399d2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d6e7119bdaf6042d498ba427d56cf49c8f3399d2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-08 (Fri, 08 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #754 from quicwg/vn-mtu Size limit for Version Negotiation Commit: 4fa1f6853a69e7e9305e5d52a44da1366c9f2ae7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4fa1f6853a69e7e9305e5d52a44da1366c9f2ae7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-08 (Fri, 08 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into split-errors Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/48d141c2e80a...4fa1f6853a69 ----==_mimepart_59b1dfaeb9473_49553ff9c50a7c342046f-- From nobody Thu Sep 7 17:09:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C49E133046 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 17:09:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.381 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.381 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sPvD-3HebSsU for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 17:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23D3313304B for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 17:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2017 17:09:22 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1504829362; bh=6rZ4NkDbd2FN3+zf0o7p0ELs5ML0FEekpLx2BNCLQ/w=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1Jj92hxQr2B/QZphzyE/Qd3T//mVdyUnRECBG864cbcm+urgX9iPyvJz6zApC3ESe 2XSBbwn5wPD2dFvID5M6wP0SKmO1U/H9ETwt+ora5G0np7pfyM90nnLnXqyJyfarxK 2N8cd10u1PU1mQW7D0/DSUvUMUakwv4Wd+1rKUac= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Push Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Split error code space (#722) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59b1dfb27c7e8_1ef73fe9dddf1c3462764"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: push X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 00:09:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59b1dfb27c7e8_1ef73fe9dddf1c3462764 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson pushed 1 commit. 4fa1f68 Merge branch 'master' into split-errors -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_59b1dfb27c7e8_1ef73fe9dddf1c3462764-- From nobody Thu Sep 7 17:13:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02A4133046 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 17:13:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oXKmDyuQTK5v for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 17:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-170.mailgun.net (m69-170.mailgun.net [166.78.69.170]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52095132113 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 17:13:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1504829585; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=S38myVz/OQm4APVKU81LweQ8z7y5E5KKxXf/bLTzgy8=; b=xa6t0z8I7pUUAEHkFYT9AbreDmhsyaKoHhfrl7PeIewKBA57Mue+RAEYxcxi9pc2UJaRYSlE Xa5w/y1RiRXwoHE2HTipm4qTnaMQqpSqthu0lUSNqKIDb+FcZyFysXK0swsURDbo8izk/vzc hj/z8ic49q6NxrZqcBIecnKJVes= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dI7enPg2I0k7VNd78y0kuBUHjf+O/X3NcwVQL+mrZ+ODwQ1gleCV01DPO9+Z6H2caKLDE2 ILbL2lOcRgJ+Rb5Mtud1tBmTdevZMh1c/vN9TWYpkBzX2C09hdNohLYcqwARWjteFU/Qs9zn g7C1xAuc/i6pUSTcfrhW7+VFjgCKo= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.170 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.42]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59b1de26.7f5e384104e0-smtp-out-n02; Fri, 08 Sep 2017 00:02:46 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2017 17:02:45 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59b1de25cd6cd_1c6b3fe6ea9e5c3039172@hookshot-fe1-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 71d407: Size limit for Version Negotiation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59b1de25cd300_1c6b3fe6ea9e5c30390fe"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 00:13:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59b1de25cd300_1c6b3fe6ea9e5c30390fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 71d407998de5a09b93359b7aa0fd0d57066eb8ac https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/71d407998de5a09b93359b7aa0fd0d57066eb8ac Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-31 (Thu, 31 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Size limit for Version Negotiation As discussed, the limits are largely practical, and there should be enough incentive to avoid inflation, but it pays to be a little more precise when defining protocols or you can get odd downstream effects. I've chosen to limit the size to the CI. That's 1200 currently (or more) and should be plenty og space for many versions. Closes #585. Commit: ce27486c76a11eae83c218c6915b43391455ddfa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ce27486c76a11eae83c218c6915b43391455ddfa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-07 (Thu, 07 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove distracting sentence Commit: d6e7119bdaf6042d498ba427d56cf49c8f3399d2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d6e7119bdaf6042d498ba427d56cf49c8f3399d2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-08 (Fri, 08 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #754 from quicwg/vn-mtu Size limit for Version Negotiation Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/be8bce7f2027...d6e7119bdaf6 ----==_mimepart_59b1de25cd300_1c6b3fe6ea9e5c30390fe-- From nobody Thu Sep 7 17:16:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FCE132113 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 17:16:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6q_LnEDf0C5o for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 17:16:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03B071320CF for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2017 17:16:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=P6zR9jfvyeDvOxwdD10bHLH0QHA=; b=W1A8RM+dV3lR2Bnm DImgOhLp0PdqhIeSJO/xUJMLimkFRBI4pnCI/WtCTHUo3JZy5+Irx4IQ9UO5ECCr kDnOtRlDBUyZDWqeVWSBIhYAK/FMPZwctONBs3nDEYAPsiqAv/xGN5hAi+dfsZuk DrCEoimVYxGWwqGV6cXoWtsjcjA= Received: by filter0478p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0478p1las1-24865-59B1E142-66 2017-09-08 00:16:02.568703382 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0007p1las1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id yKj0O66pT3KLEm_GtflnpA for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2017 00:16:02.334 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 00:16:02 +0000 (UTC) From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Split error code space (#722) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59b1e13dda9d4_c693fcd18ee7c3887641"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3SjgDFtcMyQodLswyl0H3P8PnXjEH3l9x4vs t21blqp+/hgi1WELT1KaZJ7f4kIZeR3Cq5qLFtuj13+9onPxxZMgIIBy7w6I+vFdxFRJy0SLactCO1 3//SE9jVolZLctTY7U+UuZEaI+NjFv/7TilwkglZ/A7stKGUjLq5453qSbV75ly6PfGu2gxdNLZoR5 o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 00:16:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59b1e13dda9d4_c693fcd18ee7c3887641 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree, but I don't think we've reached a resolution there yet. In the meanwhile, this PR could remove the requirement within QUIC to send a RST_STREAM in response to a STOP_SENDING, since it doesn't make sense anyways. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/722#issuecomment-327964752 ----==_mimepart_59b1e13dda9d4_c693fcd18ee7c3887641 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree, but I don't think we've reached a resolution there yet. In the = meanwhile, this PR could remove the requirement within QUIC to send a RST_S= TREAM in response to a STOP_SENDING, since it doesn't make sense anyways.

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Fri, 08 Sep 2017 03:58:19 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2017 20:58:18 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59b2155a2fafb_5fc13fe76d35fc3421929@hookshot-fe5-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] b2c804: Refactor the section on connection termination Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59b2155a2ef1d_5fc13fe76d35fc34218f4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 03:58:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59b2155a2ef1d_5fc13fe76d35fc34218f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/move-stop-sending Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: b2c804118304205bf344e22c62575326cd13eff0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b2c804118304205bf344e22c62575326cd13eff0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-15 (Tue, 15 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Refactor the section on connection termination Commit: 60546fe7e8241b244a215e6ee91c90834054e2c4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/60546fe7e8241b244a215e6ee91c90834054e2c4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-15 (Tue, 15 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Review comments Commit: 58ab5f6d7d37da3825b63089999b4e578323d76b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/58ab5f6d7d37da3825b63089999b4e578323d76b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-15 (Tue, 15 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Stateless reset Commit: c4a246a6da28841480ea23d4669253d10cf8f075 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c4a246a6da28841480ea23d4669253d10cf8f075 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-23 (Wed, 23 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add the concept of a draining period Commit: 28e7cb2b9a5afafe3b8512121609477d02b097aa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/28e7cb2b9a5afafe3b8512121609477d02b097aa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-23 (Wed, 23 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial cleanup after self-review Commit: 72207659068826e9be662e04044cb354600d4183 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/72207659068826e9be662e04044cb354600d4183 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-24 (Thu, 24 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Receipt of CONNECTION_CLOSE commences draining Commit: 6861f9d728d2f0e760c0b5e5e61a2f67cbab1161 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6861f9d728d2f0e760c0b5e5e61a2f67cbab1161 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-25 (Fri, 25 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Stop sending _CLOSE when you get an ACK Commit: 9218dcc4d4aeef892583845170c41053a0461135 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9218dcc4d4aeef892583845170c41053a0461135 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-25 (Fri, 25 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Might as well stop on CONNECTION_CLOSE as well Commit: a215b5312f4a86c45caf13bed624179085196e46 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a215b5312f4a86c45caf13bed624179085196e46 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-28 (Mon, 28 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Minor editorial things Commit: 71d407998de5a09b93359b7aa0fd0d57066eb8ac https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/71d407998de5a09b93359b7aa0fd0d57066eb8ac Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-31 (Thu, 31 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Size limit for Version Negotiation As discussed, the limits are largely practical, and there should be enough incentive to avoid inflation, but it pays to be a little more precise when defining protocols or you can get odd downstream effects. I've chosen to limit the size to the CI. That's 1200 currently (or more) and should be plenty og space for many versions. Closes #585. Commit: 7399913483d5b4fd5e25d1d8c1d9a3a06b743306 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7399913483d5b4fd5e25d1d8c1d9a3a06b743306 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-09-05 (Tue, 05 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify the In Effect a new Connection language in Stateless Retry Commit: 2cff85c9d30eb4701b83890e36dec159e8208cc1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2cff85c9d30eb4701b83890e36dec159e8208cc1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Jana's comments Commit: bda9b682c88f2c127e8caf81198ae3d4007f1e3d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bda9b682c88f2c127e8caf81198ae3d4007f1e3d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Jana's comments. Commit: 6684ebf53344bd1da56c84356610a7e7ceb48b9a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6684ebf53344bd1da56c84356610a7e7ceb48b9a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Minor clarification Commit: 817e24a15ca7a0bf842e505d349179e5d671add2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/817e24a15ca7a0bf842e505d349179e5d671add2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #721 from quicwg/cleanup-close Refactor the section on connection termination Commit: 1af69cc8d87f7efd58da0b44a676d8c15ab6c8fe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1af69cc8d87f7efd58da0b44a676d8c15ab6c8fe Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Only servers can use stateless reset Commit: 06231d0635a64ef9abd1b2f393cf219ae5af3fff https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/06231d0635a64ef9abd1b2f393cf219ae5af3fff Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-07 (Thu, 07 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #760 from mcmanus/mcmanus-ssr-effectively Clarify the In Effect a new Connection language in Stateless Retry Commit: dee0bca18ef689d3d631a9711063408cbd0f4319 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dee0bca18ef689d3d631a9711063408cbd0f4319 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- clarify absolute byte offset of a connection Commit: 1c43ea498ca224169854583c7ed7dda59792d27e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c43ea498ca224169854583c7ed7dda59792d27e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-07 (Thu, 07 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #766 from mcmanus/mcmanus-cfc1 clarify absolute byte offset of a connection Commit: ce27486c76a11eae83c218c6915b43391455ddfa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ce27486c76a11eae83c218c6915b43391455ddfa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-07 (Thu, 07 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove distracting sentence Commit: 48d141c2e80a2e1795dc10665b883abd1076d7c5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/48d141c2e80a2e1795dc10665b883abd1076d7c5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-08 (Fri, 08 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Small tweak at Mike's suggestion Commit: 88f3c589e5abd3568fd74deda24bdef6958649ae https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/88f3c589e5abd3568fd74deda24bdef6958649ae Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-09-07 (Thu, 07 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fixes incorrect text and renames STREAM_ID_NEEDED to STREAM_ID_BLOCKED. Commit: be8bce7f20270891c5a75b39a07514fc665a3e55 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/be8bce7f20270891c5a75b39a07514fc665a3e55 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-08 (Fri, 08 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #767 from quicwg/streamid Fixes incorrect text and renames STREAM_ID_NEEDED Commit: d6e7119bdaf6042d498ba427d56cf49c8f3399d2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d6e7119bdaf6042d498ba427d56cf49c8f3399d2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-08 (Fri, 08 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #754 from quicwg/vn-mtu Size limit for Version Negotiation Commit: 4fa1f6853a69e7e9305e5d52a44da1366c9f2ae7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4fa1f6853a69e7e9305e5d52a44da1366c9f2ae7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-08 (Fri, 08 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into split-errors Commit: 1145e3ea62470c488f68291ea741c0283b92d281 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1145e3ea62470c488f68291ea741c0283b92d281 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-08 (Fri, 08 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'split-errors' into move-stop-sending Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/790c6d7d8bdb...1145e3ea6247 ----==_mimepart_59b2155a2ef1d_5fc13fe76d35fc34218f4-- From nobody Thu Sep 7 23:01:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439A61321F1 for ; 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The transport contains generic advice and a recommendation that application protocols provide further guidance. The HTTP mapping specifies that the client is the one that performs keep-alives and that it should only do so if it is waiting on responses from the server. Closes #729. 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----==_mimepart_59b232b76c48b_4d4f3fa2fd371c2c5296-- From nobody Fri Sep 8 07:29:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D96A8132339 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 07:29:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aThDTKxwgt8r for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 07:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0C3113202D for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 07:29:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=1vprej1+NP3Y7qKI2J6QmUm7bg8=; b=GzVCtyT5bjFLbPmL nd4w+ZC8Vz9iG8/pT+SQB3RHbGomygX34iyVL03fP/JVRcYQXxW9WwfrjZEyCaY/ a4Nfmuu3dQKSDhODMgGk+Oxnd+WG0bsM97rTpMei5B2WoGTs3JaGASpbcYIbsFCb J5zu9zozSzrechopmQTRY/B/6ss= Received: by filter0987p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0987p1mdw1-30508-59B2A94C-31 2017-09-08 14:29:32.437287312 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0039p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 843jLXJoQsuNeHViWhn3oQ for ; Fri, 08 Sep 2017 14:29:32.390 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 14:29:32 +0000 (UTC) From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Complicated Retransmission Corner Cases (#765) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59b2a94c1d240_1ef73ff18eb57c2c6657a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1cxDBeCzo8l+jNgVOlkqDcCdH0hymTdGY3DR K1mHiv4lhtDl601iYwhHXzzl8Hm64wFk9ueJdO1fKBHpGIlVXeK53qiYP165mAFcIrikZOBSC+GgNm +cXMqKs2aENNK27iEgwLod6thPHpCHbvEOxCWF+XhPJwF6LG/QdN/2psQbT8mA3hpaAopBITgichuV w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 14:29:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59b2a94c1d240_1ef73ff18eb57c2c6657a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson I think the issue is related, in that streams pretty much have to remain open if they're holding in flight data. But that's not how I got here. After playing with it both ways, I've settled on this question the same way you have. I think this section could use an implementation note to save people some of the trouble I went through. I'll mull a PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/765#issuecomment-328118503 ----==_mimepart_59b2a94c1d240_1ef73ff18eb57c2c6657a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mar= tinthomson I think the issue is related, in that streams pretty much ha= ve to remain open if they're holding in flight data. But that's not how I g= ot here.

After playing with it both ways, I've settled on this question the same = way you have. I think this section could use an implementation note to save= people some of the trouble I went through. I'll mull a PR.

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I think the stream should remain open until full acknowledgment, for two= reasons. One, per #765 the logical place to put in flight data is in the stream data structure,= so I have to keep it around.

Two, a QUIC stream has roughly the semantics of a TCP close and it would= be nice to adhere to those norms.

But I concede that it isn't a big deal either way.

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As I wrote to Martin earlier, GQUIC has a data structure that holds per-packet metadata about what frames were contained in a sent packet, and a deque of these per-packet structs. Once acked you can remove the entry. When marked as lost, we hang on to it with the packet number of the retransmission (which is a new packet in the same data structure), to allow spurious rtx detection, and to prevent future retransmissions. We also remember one past transmission in a chain of retransmitted packets, to avoid having an indefinitely long chain of past transmissions. (You'd want to be careful around removing old state around TLP, just to be safe.) @MikeBishop In addition to reliability, an ack also contributes towards RTT measurement, and a late ack is a very useful signal, which moves the RTT estimate to be higher than it otherwise would have been. I would strongly recommend holding on to packets for a while after it is marked as lost. @martinduke I think you can make the implementation a ton easier if you don't try to re-bundle retransmissions. Meaning, simply send retransmittable frames from a lost packet in a retransmission, without trying to pack it maximally with mixing and matching. Yes, it's a pain if the PTMU reduces mid-connection, but that situation is rare enough (I've never really seen it in practice) that I'm comfortable in punting on that in practice. Does that make sense? I think it's a good idea to keep the data in the streams and have frame-level metadata per-packet that has offsets into the stream about data that has been sent. This allows you to keep one copy of stream data without having to maintain a separate copy for sent data. @martinduke I'd love to look at a PR if you could send one along. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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So, GQUIC tracks delivery state of packets, in part because loss recover= y and congestion control work at these scales. As I wrote to Martin earlier= , GQUIC has a data structure that holds per-packet metadata about what fram= es were contained in a sent packet, and a deque of these per-packet structs= . Once acked you can remove the entry. When marked as lost, we hang on to i= t with the packet number of the retransmission (which is a new packet in th= e same data structure), to allow spurious rtx detection, and to prevent fut= ure retransmissions. We also remember one past transmission in a chain of r= etransmitted packets, to avoid having an indefinitely long chain of past tr= ansmissions. (You'd want to be careful around removing old state around TLP= , just to be safe.)

@MikeBi= shop In addition to reliability, an ack also contributes towards RTT me= asurement, and a late ack is a very useful signal, which moves the RTT esti= mate to be higher than it otherwise would have been. I would strongly recom= mend holding on to packets for a while after it is marked as lost.

@martin= duke I think you can make the implementation a ton easier if you don't = try to re-bundle retransmissions. Meaning, simply send retransmittable fram= es from a lost packet in a retransmission, without trying to pack it maxima= lly with mixing and matching. Yes, it's a pain if the PTMU reduces mid-conn= ection, but that situation is rare enough (I've never really seen it in pra= ctice) that I'm comfortable in punting on that in practice. Does that make = sense?

I think it's a good idea to keep the data in the streams and have frame-= level metadata per-packet that has offsets into the stream about data that = has been sent. This allows you to keep one copy of stream data without havi= ng to maintain a separate copy for sent data.

@martin= duke I'd love to look at a PR if you could send one along.

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Finally getting to this. Note that the initial RTT only matters insofa= r as retransmissions are concerned. The handshake RTO is 2 x initialRTT, = which means retransmissions should happen after 200ms, which is good enou= gh for 90% of the cases.

Separately, on constants: the IETF has always been reluctant to change= TCP's constants despite the fact that implementations have changed them = a long time ago. Consider the min RTO, which is still recommended by RFC = 6298 to be 1 second, is not used in practice. The minimum RTO in Linux is= ~200 ms.

I agree with @mcmanus: I would put latency over bandwidth, or at least provid= e a knob to allow QUIC implementations to put latency over bandwidth. In = this case, I would argue that a few extra retransmissions are really not = a major cost, but waiting for a long time when you have just one packet o= utstanding in the network is a massive cost that browsers and server have= repeatedly shown to be worth reducing.

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Comments inline > +packets for connections that have incomplete cryptographic handshakes are +associated using the tuple of source and destination IP addresses and ports. + +A packet that uses the short header form could be associated with an existing +connection with an incomplete cryptographic handshake. Such a packet could be a +valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that +will complete the cryptographic handshake. These packets SHOULD be buffered in +anticipation of the handshake completing. + +Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely, +discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion +controllers. However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be +needed to prevent exposure to denial of service. + +For clients, all packets that cannot be associated with an existing connection +MUST be discarded. Discarded packets MAY be logged for diagnostic or security MUST -> SHOULD, since there's no reason to require this. Separately, if the handshake is not complete, there's no existing connection, and this statement contradicts the advice on buffering short header packets for such connections. I would suggest starting this para with "In all other cases, packets SHOULD be discarded." > + +## Matching Packets to Connections + +Incoming packets are classified on receipt. Packets can either be associated +with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create +a new connection. + +A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is +handled according to the current state of that connection. Packets are +associated with existing connections using connection ID if it is present; this +might include connection IDs that were advertised using NEW_CONNECTION_ID +({{frame-new-connection-id}}). Packets without connection IDs and long-form +packets for connections that have incomplete cryptographic handshakes are +associated using the tuple of source and destination IP addresses and ports. + +A packet that uses the short header form could be associated with an existing This isn't accurate. A server could use the long header for 1-RTT encypted packets, and 0-RTT encrypted packets are long header. > ## Version Negotiation {#version-negotiation} QUIC's connection establishment begins with version negotiation, since all communication between the endpoints, including packet and frame formats, relies on the two endpoints agreeing on a version. -A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet. The details -of the handshake mechanisms are described in {{handshake}}, but all of the -initial packets sent from the client to the server MUST use the long header -format and MUST specify the version of the protocol being used. - -When the server receives a packet from a client with the long header format, it -compares the client's version to the versions it supports. - -If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the -server discards the incoming packet and responds with a Version Negotiation -packet ({{packet-version}}). This includes a list of versions that the server -will accept. +A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a client initial packet capitalize Client Initial > If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}). This commits the server to the version that the client selected. -When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should -select an acceptable protocol version. If the server lists an acceptable -version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection -using that version. Though the contents of a packet might not change in + +### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn} + +If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the With the section break now, it's not obvious that this flows from the previous, especially if you start reading at this section. I would remove the section break. > If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}). This commits the server to the version that the client selected. -When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should -select an acceptable protocol version. If the server lists an acceptable -version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection -using that version. Though the contents of a packet might not change in + +### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn} + +If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the +server responds with a Version Negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}). This +includes a list of versions that the server will accept. + +A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable +version if that packet could create a new connection. This allows a server to I think Ian's point is that it's not clear what "might_create_a_connection" means. I am not clear about this either, TBH. How does a server know that a received packet might create a connection if the version is unspoken? I think all you need is if (!acceptable(version)) { send_vn() } > + +A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable +version if that packet could create a new connection. This allows a server to +process packets with unsupported versions without retaining state. Though +either the client initial packet or the version negotiation packet that is sent +in response could be lost, the client will send new packets until it +successfully receives a response or it abandons the connection attempt. + +When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet, it first checks that the +packet number and connection ID match the values it sent in a client initial +packet. If this check fails, the packet MUST be discarded. + +Once the Version Negotiation packet is determined to be valid, the client then +selects an acceptable protocol version from the list provided by the server. +The client then attempts to create a connection using that version. 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Comments inline

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +packets for connections that have incomplete cryptographic handshakes are
+associated using the tuple of source and destination IP addresses and ports.
+
+A packet that uses the short header form could be associated with an existing
+connection with an incomplete cryptographic handshake.  Such a packet could be a
+valid packet that has been reordered with respect to the long-form packets that
+will complete the cryptographic handshake.  These packets SHOULD be buffered in
+anticipation of the handshake completing.
+
+Buffering ensures that data is not lost, which improves performance; conversely,
+discarding these packets could create false loss signals for the congestion
+controllers.  However, limiting the number and size of buffered packets might be
+needed to prevent exposure to denial of service.
+
+For clients, all packets that cannot be associated with an existing connection
+MUST be discarded.  Discarded packets MAY be logged for diagnostic or security

MUST -> SHOULD, since there's no reason to require this.
Separately, if the handshake is not complete, there's no existing connection, and this statement contradicts the advice on buffering short header packets for such connections. I would suggest starting this para with "In all other cases, packets SHOULD be discarded."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+## Matching Packets to Connections
+
+Incoming packets are classified on receipt.  Packets can either be associated
+with an existing connection, be discarded, or - for servers - potentially create
+a new connection.
+
+A packet that can be identified as belonging to an existing connection is
+handled according to the current state of that connection.  Packets are
+associated with existing connections using connection ID if it is present; this
+might include connection IDs that were advertised using NEW_CONNECTION_ID
+({{frame-new-connection-id}}).  Packets without connection IDs and long-form
+packets for connections that have incomplete cryptographic handshakes are
+associated using the tuple of source and destination IP addresses and ports.
+
+A packet that uses the short header form could be associated with an existing

This isn't accurate. A server could use the long header for 1-RTT encypted packets, and 0-RTT encrypted packets are long header.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ## Version Negotiation {#version-negotiation}
 
 QUIC's connection establishment begins with version negotiation, since all
 communication between the endpoints, including packet and frame formats, relies
 on the two endpoints agreeing on a version.
 
-A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a handshake packet. The details
-of the handshake mechanisms are described in {{handshake}}, but all of the
-initial packets sent from the client to the server MUST use the long header
-format and MUST specify the version of the protocol being used.
-
-When the server receives a packet from a client with the long header format, it
-compares the client's version to the versions it supports.
-
-If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the
-server discards the incoming packet and responds with a Version Negotiation
-packet ({{packet-version}}).  This includes a list of versions that the server
-will accept.
+A QUIC connection begins with a client sending a client initial packet

capitalize Client Initial

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server
 proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}).  This commits the server to the
 version that the client selected.
 
-When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
-select an acceptable protocol version.  If the server lists an acceptable
-version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection
-using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might not change in
+
+### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn}
+
+If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the

With the section break now, it's not obvious that this flows from the previous, especially if you start reading at this section. I would remove the section break.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server
 proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}).  This commits the server to the
 version that the client selected.
 
-When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
-select an acceptable protocol version.  If the server lists an acceptable
-version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection
-using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might not change in
+
+### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn}
+
+If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the
+server responds with a Version Negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}).  This
+includes a list of versions that the server will accept.
+
+A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable
+version if that packet could create a new connection.  This allows a server to

I think Ian's point is that it's not clear what "might_create_a_connection" means. I am not clear about this either, TBH. How does a server know that a received packet might create a connection if the version is unspoken? I think all you need is if (!acceptable(version)) { send_vn() }

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable
+version if that packet could create a new connection.  This allows a server to
+process packets with unsupported versions without retaining state.  Though
+either the client initial packet or the version negotiation packet that is sent
+in response could be lost, the client will send new packets until it
+successfully receives a response or it abandons the connection attempt.
+
+When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet, it first checks that the
+packet number and connection ID match the values it sent in a client initial
+packet.  If this check fails, the packet MUST be discarded.
+
+Once the Version Negotiation packet is determined to be valid, the client then
+selects an acceptable protocol version from the list provided by the server.
+The client then attempts to create a connection using that version.  Though the
+contents of the client initial packet the client sends might not change in

capitalize Client Initial

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I like this idea of having different connection IDs in the two directions, and I think it's useful. Why does it mess with the design of Stateless Reset?

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Let's say we configure a connection to use ID A when sending from clie= nt-to-server, but ID B when sending from server-to-client. Now the serve= r receives a packet with connection ID A, but has lost all its state.

=

In the current model, the server generates a Stateless Reset packet th= at looks like any other packet it would send to the client, re-creates th= e token by deriving it from A, and pads out the packet with random nonsen= se.

With dual connection IDs, the server has no idea what connection ID it= 's supposed to use in reply packets, so it necessarily looks different fr= om a "real" response packet. It could reuse 'A' in the wrong direction, = or could omit the Connection ID entirely, but both of those will be diffe= rent from "real" responses. (And if the Connection ID is actually needed= to route back to the client, then neither of those will actually reach t= he other end anyway.)

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Closes #753.

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server
 proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}).  This commits the server to the
 version that the client selected.
 
-When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
-select an acceptable protocol version.  If the server lists an acceptable
-version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection
-using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might not change in
+
+### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn}
+
+If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the
+server responds with a Version Negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}).  This
+includes a list of versions that the server will accept.
+
+A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable
+version if that packet could create a new connection.  This allows a server to

No short packet can start a connection. Long packets with connection IDs that are currently active inherently can't start a different connection. So, sticking with the pseudo-code, might_create_a_connection := !ActiveConnectionIDs.Contains(packet.connection_id) && (packet.header.IsLongFormat)

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Then let's wait for #759 to land first.

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----==_mimepart_59b319525c820_c173fa051867c30823f-- From nobody Fri Sep 8 15:42:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15F8126BF0 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 15:42:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o1FDRxuG5JFm for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 15:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F4E3129C41 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2017 15:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 15:42:25 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1504910545; bh=LZQGUXUA5zBYmH17VA+HBNOrEUczWQAL6B9GwxyKgrs=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=EUJEP6IKiAmT2DJyCLDVCpqXURu8GAgZ218srwa+UZhA+JJpXNXBJ3TzYipaoOSdY 9Gml1eMijd0paN8X2HQ7dZ/IDS0zww+VANHMQ2sYksP/2zPemTgm+sh5JnpXTDPXbh h6gtKcbwrtlrBRkvHDpVY276u1Q2oKKL+QjmuUxM= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Dual-NAT / Dual-load-balancer scenarios (#745) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59b31cd1dbbf9_2913f8c4e59bc34541f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 22:42:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59b31cd1dbbf9_2913f8c4e59bc34541f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hm, ok, I'm not so worried about the looking different part, but there's the addition issue of the load balancer not routing the stateless reset back to the right receiver. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/745#issuecomment-328230507 ----==_mimepart_59b31cd1dbbf9_2913f8c4e59bc34541f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hm, ok, I'm not so worried about the looking different part, but there's the addition issue of the load balancer not routing the stateless reset back to the right receiver.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 If the packet contains a version that is acceptable to the server, the server
 proceeds with the handshake ({{handshake}}).  This commits the server to the
 version that the client selected.
 
-When the client receives a Version Negotiation packet from the server, it should
-select an acceptable protocol version.  If the server lists an acceptable
-version, the client selects that version and reattempts to create a connection
-using that version.  Though the contents of a packet might not change in
+
+### Sending and Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#send-vn}
+
+If the version selected by the client is not acceptable to the server, the
+server responds with a Version Negotiation packet ({{packet-version}}).  This
+includes a list of versions that the server will accept.
+
+A server sends a Version Negotiation packet for any packet with an unaccepable
+version if that packet could create a new connection.  This allows a server to

If there's an active connection with this ID, you will match the connection earlier, attempt to decrypt the packet with the stored key and fail, and drop the packet on the floor. Even if you check the version before you try to decrypt you'd send a VN packet in response.

So this boils down to if ((flags & 0x80) && !acceptable(version)) { send_vn() }, since whether there's an active connection or not, we still send a VN packet. In which case, I think the long header check is unnecessary.

Simply checking the version seems adequate, no?

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Submitting, since this is a pure nit.

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I wonder how realistic the need for double load balancing would be.

In a datacenter, all machines will typically have unique globally rout= able IPs (maybe IPv6-only). You'd want to initiate connections from your= unique IP. I would be puzzled to see a design that requires initiating = connections sourced from a load balanced IP, since the load balancer woul= d just be in the way on the return path.

For peer-to-peer users, the NAT on the client's side is not likely to = be a problem, since it is not a "load balancer". Even if a NAT could als= o do load balancing and had to use a single IP (why? RFC 6177 suggests fo= r end site to be allocated at least /64), that NAT would "load balance" o= nly some UDP ports (the ports used by known apps) and do ordinary NAT por= t mapping for other ports.

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Servers shouldn't cancel / send GOAWAY with a value less than a stream that started getting a response. Clients SHOULD discard responses when servers do this, unless the response was complete. (Blowing up seems kind of pointless when the connection is winding down anyway.) This really feels like a case of "If it hurts, don't do it." Suggestions on tightening the text appreciated. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/770 -- Commit Summary -- * Servers SHOULD NOT do stupid stuff -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (8) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/770.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/770.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Fixes #757. Servers shouldn't cancel / send GOAWAY with a value less than a stream that started getting a response. Clients SHOULD discard responses when servers do this, unless the response was complete. (Blowing up seems kind of pointless when the connection is winding down anyway.)

This really feels like a case of "If it hurts, don't do it." Suggestions on tightening the text appreciated.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/770

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It does say that the frame "contains the stream identifier of th= e last client-initiated request", or "MAY be zero." This seems su= fficient, but you're welcome to convince me otherwise or suggest how to mak= e it clearer.

The second one feels like a server error -- the GOAWAY frame declares th= at the requests weren't processed, yet you're positing that a response has = already been generated. I've added some text about this in #770, but it fundamentally feels lik= e the server oughtn't be doing that.

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#770 appears to cover this as well, though the part about CANCELLED should perhaps move elsewhere in the doc.

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Technically, PUSH_PROMISE isn't part of the response message, but I agree it would be good to point readers to the push text from there.

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Fixes #741.

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Does a stream become closed when all data is sent the first time, or whe= n that data is acknowledged?

Given that we've moved to max stream id, what difference does the answer= to the question make? Defining "closed" as "when FIN is sent" or "when FI= N is requested to be sent" or "when stream.close() API function returns" ma= kes for simpler state diagrams. Defining "closed" as "when ACKs have been = received for all data and the FIN" aligns better with possible implementati= ons.

As far as possible implementations are concerned, "close" can be defined= as when the implementation is free to forget all about the stream, except = that it is "closed". That happens when "ACKs have been received for all dat= a and the FIN" or when RST is sent.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -841,6 +858,38 @@ A server MUST treat a MAX_PUSH_ID frame payload that is other than 4 octets in
 length as a connection error of type HTTP_MALFORMED_MAX_PUSH_ID.
 
 
+## STOP_SENDING Frame {#frame-stop-sending}
+
+An endpoint may use a STOP_SENDING frame (type=0x0E) to communicate that

non-normative "may". Let's make this either "MAY use" or "uses".

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson approved this pull request. > @@ -767,14 +767,20 @@ indicated in the GOAWAY frame, those requests were not and will not be processed. Endpoints SHOULD reset any streams above this ID with the error code HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED. Servers MAY also reset streams below the indicated ID with HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED if the associated requests were not processed. +Servers MUST NOT use the HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED status for requests which were +partially or fully processed. Clients can detect this by observing that it received part of a response. Do you want to recommend a reaction for clients? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/770#pullrequestreview-61965727 ----==_mimepart_59b703f928862_3e483fd4f0d53c34140839 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -767,14 +767,20 @@ indicated in the GOAWAY frame, those requests were not and will not be
 processed.  Endpoints SHOULD reset any streams above this ID with the error code
 HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED.  Servers MAY also reset streams below the indicated ID
 with HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED if the associated requests were not processed.
+Servers MUST NOT use the HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED status for requests which were
+partially or fully processed.

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Editorial nit, so submitting without review.

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  • Larger packet number not larger packet.

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -767,14 +767,20 @@ indicated in the GOAWAY frame, those requests were not and will not be
 processed.  Endpoints SHOULD reset any streams above this ID with the error code
 HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED.  Servers MAY also reset streams below the indicated ID
 with HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED if the associated requests were not processed.
+Servers MUST NOT use the HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELLED status for requests which were
+partially or fully processed.

Following paragraph discusses what clients do with cancelled requests and this PR adds, "However, if a stream is cancelled after receiving a partial response, the response SHOULD NOT be used and the request cannot be safely retried."

Though rereading it, it might be clearer to swap the order of the last two sentences.

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Merged #772.

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FWIW, I typically don't even create a PR for editorial changes like this when I don't expect to request input.

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Yeah, I've directly committed to master in the past, but I just went about my usual workflow this time... probably an overkill.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -237,6 +237,11 @@ response may contain zero or more header blocks containing the message headers
 of informational (1xx) HTTP responses (see {{!RFC7230}}, Section 3.2 and
 {{!RFC7231}}, Section 6.2).
 
+At any point during a response message, PUSH_PROMISE frames MAY also be present

nit: It might be clearer to use the word interleaved in there somewhere. Suggested rewording: "A response message MAY be interleaved with PUSH_PROMISE frames that indicate a pushed resource related to the response." Otherwise, LGTM.

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What is currently the best way to explore the feasibility and performance of QUIC on IP links with 580ms+ RTT such as from geostationary satellites as an alternative to TCP which struggles with these conditions without acceleration.

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Having an explicit negotiation upfr= ont means that a sender might be able to choose a congestion controller bas= ed on this information, rather than trying to figure out what to do in case= this information isn=E2=80=99t available later. We could also use a separate frame for timestamps. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/774= ----==_mimepart_59b8559b81e1d_44d53fcdb83abc34580ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@huitema points out (and I agree with him) that timestamps serve an optional purp= ose, and probably ought to be treated as an extension that is negotiated.

A receiver could simply set num_timestamps to 0 (as someone noted earlie= r) effectively making it optional anyways. Having an explicit negotiation u= pfront means that a sender might be able to choose a congestion controller = based on this information, rather than trying to figure out what to do in c= ase this information isn=E2=80=99t available later.

We could also use a separate frame for timestamps.

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Recording here that @martinduke also suggested using a separate frame for timestamps on the mailing list.

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Just a quick comment on (A): That implies that you have generated timest= amps and queued them for sending. I think you'd be better off generating ti= mestamps on the fly, when you're generating the ack.

In general, I would very much argue in favor of repeating until unnecess= ary (ack of ack is received). From a loss recovery perspective, it's really= helpful to ensure this. There's not a tremendous amount of cost in the com= mon case to doing this anyways.

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= ----==_mimepart_59b87458f1493_1f0a3fbecec63c30330eb-- From nobody Tue Sep 12 20:59:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06163126B7E for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 20:59:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4-ZXZkrBQ70q for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 20:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51E851201F8 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 20:59:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=zE1BGP9N+rss/auKaPOHdQ8MiA8=; b=ZvI/e8wxnQ/o7XvZ q3ATsdh1ajYgRLk3PIsMWamSif1s68Fx/nR4LXeRzqVbYzQEH+jvhAcaIhV0B1sM Xi6eXIoT9mIM4tE07Hc6FcjD4jQ4jjU53InBKjc/t+iIGUw0DnVjdz/fbdHG+5YG y/EXQyHA8FkglkZWMZHQzmZxSUg= Received: by filter0691p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0691p1mdw1-24099-59B8AD17-1 2017-09-13 03:59:19.117666844 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id WWZ0upZzRE68F6rfz_r1mg for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 03:59:19.109 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 03:59:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Negotiate use of timestamps in ACK frame (#774) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59b8ad173790_4bfe3fd3bab7dc346781b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0D400TNqJMA9cdf5zZkK/r3jtek3F9kGKNsC C9PE9DnFLF976U7YleQigYSCkovUGv9WE7ewhGW1NojISaN+ad7byws+bTO3DSoBWsxfNbb1cAIL2D Bce9WOZtM2nwLlfZ9B94cFw7RpP6wf2fWzwWG8NLpJrJFd0IH0eqPYLg6QehqxJxRLQefHmtaIhh4i 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 03:59:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59b8ad173790_4bfe3fd3bab7dc346781b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I indeed said that. In fact, "negotiating timestamps" is not a binary yes-no question. It is important to state what time stamps to send, and for what purpose. So far, I have heard three such purposes: * Estimating one way delays, which is useful in delay based congestion algorithms; * Estimating the max reordering delay, which is an important parameter of RACK style retransmission algorithms; * And, estimating the "bunching" of packets that may occur in the network. It is not clear to me that these three usages require the same set of timestamps. One way delay measurements would probably do OK with just adding to the ACK the timestamp of the largest acknowledged packet. Max reordering estimation would require adding the timestamp of the max out-of-order packet. Bunching estimation leaves me puzzled, but I am sure there can be a simple rule for selecting which stamps to send. In any case, we must do the clarification work before mandating time stamps. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/774#issuecomment-329052352 ----==_mimepart_59b8ad173790_4bfe3fd3bab7dc346781b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, I indeed said that. In fact, "negotiating timestamps" is not a bina= ry yes-no question. It is important to state what time stamps to send, and = for what purpose. So far, I have heard three such purposes:

  • Estimating one way delays, which is useful in delay based congestion alg= orithms;

  • Estimating the max reordering delay, which is an important parameter of = RACK style retransmission
    algorithms;

  • And, estimating the "bunching" of packets that may occur in the network.=

It is not clear to me that these three usages require the same set of ti= mestamps. One way delay measurements would probably do OK with just adding = to the ACK the timestamp of the largest acknowledged packet. Max reordering= estimation would require adding the timestamp of the
max out-of-order packet. Bunching estimation leaves me puzzled, but I am su= re there can be
a simple rule for selecting which stamps to send. In any case, we must do t= he clarification work before
mandating time stamps.

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> So even if the rejected packets where not ack'ed, the server could= still
> indicate to the client in the TLS handshake that the 0-RTT data was
> rejected and potentially even tell the client how many packets where > rejected.
>

Well, you can say it was rejected, though you don't know how many packe= ts
were rejected at this point.

-Ekr


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>
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I don't think this question belongs here -- this is an implementation-sp= ecific question. Also, this is really a question about the congestion contr= oller that is in use, and that will also depend on the implementation.

This isn't a protocol issue, so closing.

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Yes, the intent is the first CHLO retransmission occurs at 200ms, which = seems quite reasonable to me. We could change it to 300ms by making the de= fault 150ms, but I don't see a compelling reason to do that.

1s is certainly not what I'd recommend.

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Martin is correct about ack only packets not being congestion controll= ed, because otherwise the whole system can get permanently stuck.

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Multihosting QUIC on IPv4 without SNI.

I believe TLS 1.3 requires SNI, and QUIC requires TLS 1.3, so SNI is required for QUIC. Is that incorrect?

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Negotiating timestamps sounds good to me, though I'd hope we can agree o= n one format for most use cases.

I can see the use case for requesting only 1 timestamp per ack frame vs = requesting one timestamp for every newly acked packet.

I would really like to keep timestamps(and ECN when it's added) as parts= of the ack frame because it's much more challenging to implement congestio= n control if the information arrives in sequence(even in different packets)= instead of at the same time. Timestamps in particular are closely related= to the acked packets, and given we'll likely want to support multiple ack = frames in a single packet in the future, having multiple ack frames and mul= tiple timestamp frames would become really complex.

It does make acks 'more complex' but the overall complexity is lower.

Timestamps are already forbidden from unprotected ack frames, so it shou= ld be simple enough to negotiate timestamps and only use them post-handshak= e.

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Attempts to add enough detail to the text description of congestion control that the pseudocode is not strictly necessary.

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Moving this into the STREAM frame sounds like it could be made to work, = but I'm not sure that I understand the motivation.

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I'm not sure if this belongs in the QUIC spec, but I had to handle it specially in Minq so I thought I would mention it.

The current text shows the transition from OPEN to HALF_CLOSED (LOCAL) happening when you send a FIN. However, if you think of this from an API perspective, that's not quite what you want. Consider the case where you have a stream flow control window of 1000. You write 999 and then 1000-1999, and then call stream.Close(). At this point, you have in queue:

  [0-999] (sent, maybe un-acked)
  [1000-1999] (not-sent)
  [2000: FIN] (not sent)

You're still in OPEN because you haven't sent the FIN, but the implementation should stop you from doing another Write() at this point.

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There are two ways of thinking about streams:

  1. All 2^32 streams exist but are in the IDLE state and transition to other states when messages are received/sent on them.
  2. Streams are created when the aforementioned messages are received/sent.

The document is kind of agnostic on this, talking about them as being in IDLE (the state machine) but also talking about streams being created:

   A QUIC endpoint cannot reuse a Stream ID.  Streams MUST be created in
   sequential order.  Open streams can be used in any order.  Streams

I tend to think that it would be better to talk about streams being created and remove the IDLE state, but in any case it would be good if the draft were consistent.

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Streams being created better matches the way they're managed in data structures, so I would tend to favor that as well.

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----==_mimepart_59c02860635b1_62ff3f8fab124f3857ce-- From nobody Mon Sep 18 13:41:48 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5DBB13301E for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:41:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AlUuwklZonkz for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08919132F65 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:41:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=4AKZh1UMsJ+9mj8ICSOWC6Cbwck=; b=IOI/945RR9ZAQgO+ H/F6p80g0QL6bLO3d252ivFWwbJdBHKoGbO78xYlIyo9q86VOdm8ZTZLZ/W0T6Mk 2dHd/uTH+ORZoFAWsN0N1dvpKTb1kq3orC1HZV0Ji5MF/5+oyYPusuPqFyxvFRbo +R9tehHdz5eCKAB3wKASPxL8Kag= Received: by filter0478p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0478p1mdw1-16111-59C02F87-4 2017-09-18 20:41:43.128559476 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id ndPrzv5yTTKEAm59rx9Ztg for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:41:43.062 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:41:43 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make RST_STREAM a bit on STREAM frame (#775) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c02f86e4de5_49613fc7e7b38f28563d0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak01zN8mnyXhzOy/eu77t9T+inafYLEFHHib2X K388EBb/iUrshwPbAcqXnPNSyqr/w8EkagoTfmhEx53DCclkPj6nCn1I8B7X5TgASOJvBbQHoDbNU3 AkhYEtH92upW6CggJvI5S4pL+UIbZ2BZObIsbF68gEeWLCgCNy23jQ45HA== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 20:41:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c02f86e4de5_49613fc7e7b38f28563d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure how much detail I can provide, because I've just started coding this up, but at the moment, I have a "stream" object at: https://github.com/ekr/minq/blob/master/stream.go. So, the question, as you say, is what the APIs are. Currently, FIN is handled by delivering the STREAM frame to the stream, but RST is handled by a separate API used by the connection: https://github.com/ekr/minq/blob/master/connection.go#L1036. If RST were a stream frame, then I wouldn't need this API point, which needs to look up the stream, etc. The obvious generalization here would be that everything that affected a stream would come in a frame which first indicated the stream ID and then you could pass all that stuff to the stream handler, which wouldn't even need to know about the connection, except for a few narrow abstractions like conn-level flow control, making self-testing and the like easier. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/775#issuecomment-330349811 ----==_mimepart_59c02f86e4de5_49613fc7e7b38f28563d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm not sure how much detail I can provide, because I've just started co= ding this up, but at the moment, I have a "stream" object at: https://github.com/ekr/min= q/blob/master/stream.go.

So, the question, as you say, is what the APIs are. Currently, FIN is ha= ndled by delivering the STREAM frame to the stream, but RST is handled by a= separate API used by the connection:
htt= ps://github.com/ekr/minq/blob/master/connection.go#L1036.

If RST were a stream frame, then I wouldn't need this API point, which n= eeds to look up the stream, etc. The obvious generalization here would be t= hat everything that affected a stream would come in a frame which first ind= icated the stream ID and then you could pass all that stuff to the stream h= andler, which wouldn't even need to know about the connection, except for a= few narrow abstractions like conn-level flow control, making self-testing = and the like easier.

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= ----==_mimepart_59c02f86e4de5_49613fc7e7b38f28563d0-- From nobody Mon Sep 18 15:19:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C38B133011 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:19:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KEPG4dppY5hb for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BFB9132941 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 15:19:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=GnkWLksgonoOJp9xBpm3P3napLU=; b=b2fvp5K72whjt+j5 sesGlO2bEEGHVG43yFRnszpAG0vBXGv8viNQur+zijgCHsMGNvwVStgGZhy3rW8R umVYWf28LdWMAmHB6ecOutBLIgGYvYImd/rt/VFBhZrvxORBc181sdnyl/cy7T3A 1RqUxF0kQAzH5q7Rx7FnD5BmU5U= Received: by filter0487p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0487p1mdw1-7414-59C0466D-57 2017-09-18 22:19:25.727310596 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0050p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id HZUcyMpJSmi2VgL50tMspA for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 22:19:25.688 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 22:19:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make RST_STREAM a bit on STREAM frame (#775) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c0466d6444c_6f153fe788982f38362ab"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1ByhSotYNR4a865wMQYfM/Y7TgNBWb/UZoE3 3CTmi6tg+O7Plt87r6gSBNapOsKe3QFlzx8eaTA2zRXYPaPh/0jGTuCbQpXNjabXlAbwrY9UryswW0 hE+SUWSIEPaxrBJNIZnM33xRp8i6gfEQCFAExQRcOPOdNhoNk1NNlBkH7t8VVahpDtSHVAEe4I4gdN 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 22:19:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c0466d6444c_6f153fe788982f38362ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When you receive a STREAM frame, don't you have to look up the stream in order to deliver the stream data? In other words, I'm surprised that it's any less work to handle receipt of a RST_STREAM frame than it is to handle receipt of a STREAM frame with a build-in RST_STREAM semantic. Would you like to have only one place in the code which does the stream id to stream lookup? (That place being receipt of a STREAM frame). Keep in mind that depending on how you implement things, receipt of a WINDOW_UPDATE frame needs to frob the stream as does receipt of an ACK frame for a packet containing data sent by that stream. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/775#issuecomment-330372425 ----==_mimepart_59c0466d6444c_6f153fe788982f38362ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

When you receive a STREAM frame, don't you have to look up the stream in= order to deliver the stream data? In other words, I'm surprised that it's = any less work to handle receipt of a RST_STREAM frame than it is to handle = receipt of a STREAM frame with a build-in RST_STREAM semantic. Would you li= ke to have only one place in the code which does the stream id to stream lo= okup? (That place being receipt of a STREAM frame).

Keep in mind that depending on how you implement things, receipt of a WI= NDOW_UPDATE frame needs to frob the stream as does receipt of an ACK frame = for a packet containing data sent by that stream.

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Thanks for the additions/changes. A couple of nits, but LGTM.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -585,22 +585,62 @@ both the median and mean min_rtt typically observed on the public internet.
 # Congestion Control
 
 QUIC's congestion control is based on TCP NewReno{{?RFC6582}}
-congestion control to determine the congestion window and pacing rate.
+congestion control to determine the congestion window(aka CWND) and

nit: remove "(aka CWND)" since it's not used anywhere else

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  number of acknowledged bytes when each ack is processed.
 
-## Recovery
+## Congestion Avoidance
+
+Slow start exits to congestion avoidance.  Congestion avoidance in NewReno
+uses an additive increase multiplicative decrease(AIMD) approach that

nit: space before "(AIMD)"

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In other words, I'm surprised that it's > any less work to handle receipt of a RST_STREAM frame than it is to handle > receipt of a STREAM frame with a build-in RST_STREAM semantic. Would you > like to have only one place in the code which does the stream id to stream > lookup? (That place being receipt of a STREAM frame). > Yes. And I'd like to have it dispatch essentially anything of that type to the stream. > Keep in mind that depending on how you implement things, receipt of a > WINDOW_UPDATE frame needs to frob the stream as does receipt of an ACK > frame for a packet containing data sent by that stream. > Well, WINDOW_UPDATE is now MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA, so it's ready to be made a stream frame. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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> When you receive a STREAM frame, don't you have to look up the s= tream in
> order to deliver the stream data? In other words, I'm surprised = that it's
> any less work to handle receipt of a RST_STREAM frame than it is to = handle
> receipt of a STREAM frame with a build-in RST_STREAM semantic. Would= you
> like to have only one place in the code which does the stream id to = stream
> lookup? (That place being receipt of a STREAM frame).
>

Yes. And I'd like to have it dispatch essentially anything of that ty= pe to
the stream.


> Keep in mind that depending on how you implement things, receipt of = a
> WINDOW_UPDATE frame needs to frob the stream as does receipt of an A= CK
> frame for a packet containing data sent by that stream.
>

Well, WINDOW_UPDATE is now MAX_DATA and MAX_STREAM_DATA, so it's read= y to
be made a stream frame.

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@mcmanus argues that this is useful because you might send FIN and then get tired of waiting for ACKs and that it's processed on the receiver side where first one that comes ready (RST received, FIN in-order) is processed and the other ignored. My reading of the text is that this is implicitly allowed.

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----==_mimepart_59c1048cbff2b_4a783fe0e287ef8029045-- From nobody Tue Sep 19 04:54:23 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2823D13422E for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 04:54:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.018 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.018 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VmvQgrVa19Fg for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 04:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD2A81342CB for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 04:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 04:54:08 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1505822048; bh=huxiWFmRAo1C0/VnItYo2OhdyfVKiUrvEQMxqlisKJ0=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=c06SEDHcb3ncdnmh/Up4YeKjadRWTKiAx8Czoi8C9C1bFmOBhWcYKaZqX3ys2GIum kYsSsRSvqZjjIEdljwLd/ExQXf/1WI4UHJ0xJdC1wIWcJs7YIh1lTT+7Y9hKj6lZLn 9JFEEy4FbK1/ohE/+d06dye0rAk6CH0PX6J4EPJE= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Is it permitted to send both FIN and RST (#779) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c10560d2ff5_aca3fe0e287ef8026669"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 11:54:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c10560d2ff5_aca3fe0e287ef8026669 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mikkelfj argues that this violates the state machine because there's no outgoing arc from half-closed (local) for RST and the text implies that the state machine is canonical: ``` In the absence of more specific guidance elsewhere in this document, implementations SHOULD treat the receipt of a frame that is not expressly permitted in the description of a state as a connection error (see Section 12). ``` At minimum, the state machine and text need to be annotated to make clear that the half-closed (remote) transition happens when FIN is in-order. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/779#issuecomment-330515736 ----==_mimepart_59c10560d2ff5_aca3fe0e287ef8026669 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mikkel= fj argues that this violates the state machine because there's no out= going arc from half-closed (local) for RST and the text implies that the = state machine is canonical:

   In the absence of more specific guidance elsewhere in this =
document,
   implementations SHOULD treat the receipt of a frame that is not
   expressly permitted in the description of a state as a connection
   error (see Section 12).

At minimum, the state machine and text need to be annotated to make cl= ear that the half-closed (remote) transition happens when FIN is in-order= .

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My mental model is that you should send exactly one of them, but I adm= it there are use cases(ie: WebRTC, sub-CWND http responses) where one cou= ld send a FIN and then decide there was no need to retransmit any of the = data, hence need to send a reset.

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To be clear, you're talking about a very different 'stream frame' from t= he one that exists today. In particular, you're talking about a single fra= me type that performs all stream state modifications?

This seems possible, but routing 3 types to a stream isn't that much har= der than a single type.

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Another point to consider: if permitting sending both RST and FIN the pe= er state is unpredictable: if sending only RST you KNOW the stream is not c= onsumed. If only sending FIN you KNOW the stream is consumed eventually unl= ess the connection fails. For example HTTP might show content up to RST, bu= t a REST API might cancel unless receiving FIN. The REST API sender can be = sure that receiver will not accept the request upon RST, but if FIN was fol= lowed by RST it would be ambigous.

This also relates to partial reliability and when to abandon old frames,= but I thinkt that is a separate concern.

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Yes, that's what I'm talking about. I agree that it's not dramatically easier my way, but IMO it would make for a cleaner layering boundary

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Also improve pacing text and remove pacing pseudocode.

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I don't see the value in making it a bit on the STREAM frame, and I pref= er the semantic that currently all STREAM frames are processed in sequence.= RST_STREAM, no matter what you call it, will get processed immediately on = receipt, which is quite different from a STREAM frame carrying, say, a FIN = bit. Since RST_STREAM applies to specific streams, why would the logic be d= ifferent to pass a RST_STREAM to your stream processor than it is to pass a= STREAM frame with RST bit set?

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= ----==_mimepart_59c14093d2f59_5b823fd0173f0f8068542-- From nobody Tue Sep 19 09:12:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0270133342 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 09:12:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.181 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.181 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iE3HsP6LNboN for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 09:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6080B1320D9 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 09:12:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ATfQNczK83S1cv4GPWZqsFAZvxg=; b=tTPAcFVGZ39EKfPL IKvuvlI8uFNumkQBAp2TgsU1hd0lEv+uJiCAT3isqlRA4Bn7TxRLbQR/+BJ6dJ87 tZSDbgJjlRuR1uC7X3WYx0xJsIiBkgDnxA7lTcCx8AhueRWM16nUD/J22KiYBJhz dEMZeBXQsckeA5k/KJXZo04RGNw= Received: by filter1072p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1072p1mdw1-698-59C141F7-80 2017-09-19 16:12:39.716499385 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0007p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id h6_yFNbUR-inrZGZWPKllw for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:12:39.680 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:12:40 +0000 (UTC) From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make RST_STREAM a bit on STREAM frame (#775) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c141f78aa30_7a1d3fa5ce5e2f7852953"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2iXw+vV/MxNX307i7c/GwI+jzCJS+CEV4Jgo Qk01BtC1ABE7FohNs4SAIo96gxZony1mPzlp7jomuPTM3QZwsonh2+7JE5r3F7DTdJR9q5Dr9z+7eG ISPVXLjdv0qraSBVYXfCde/I/6lA6jR/MrKphvboMdVVYWSDCB/H+oCl+pQs6Nr2yU0K2Ocuxg6foV Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:12:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c141f78aa30_7a1d3fa5ce5e2f7852953 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit BTW, this doesn't perform *all* stream state modifications. STOP_SENDING is another one that may modify stream state. If we add MAX_STREAM_DATA information in the STREAM frame, that makes it just a bulkier frame to schlep all the time, where we should expect to send new window update info at most once every RTT. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/775#issuecomment-330590994 ----==_mimepart_59c141f78aa30_7a1d3fa5ce5e2f7852953 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

BTW, this doesn't perform all stream state modifications. STOP_= SENDING is another one that may modify stream state.

If we add MAX_STREAM_DATA information in the STREAM frame, that makes it= just a bulkier frame to schlep all the time, where we should expect to sen= d new window update info at most once every RTT.

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= ----==_mimepart_59c141f78aa30_7a1d3fa5ce5e2f7852953-- From nobody Tue Sep 19 09:29:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F77134286 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 09:29:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7UlIQKM8Nz6s for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 09:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 043EC133342 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 09:29:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=x8ZmMn8C7FEmbChoqdDhF0obtjA=; b=m8B+djiHNgxxghmH ixucvDnuxt2jPANOvHHCU8THIsSvkViXD1vE2vHxVCXPrF3WyR2VyQOINyajs5OJ lBR6fTFtSWn6wC/rEvKksZCJKQlfEAgwQmj9w/XnsdoTffxLtFK1VVEhl34LGANP gftCJcapkqYqI1yvIxI3yc9S1BA= Received: by filter1120p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1120p1mdw1-11441-59C145F5-5 2017-09-19 16:29:41.029365376 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0026p1mdw1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id D666TjCVQMOp-n_mGRoOGw for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:29:40.966 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:29:41 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make RST_STREAM a bit on STREAM frame (#775) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c145f4af8aa_544d3ff65d09af7c87223"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2iTscyJjD26OnhagiAENxEblgyegn38Tc/pw 1XVO8u6lasrTJoSV8if9aethCHB3w+sRP1WBAO2BWO8Tn8Yk1m+TsQ52l0BBmCrhTkpG9DGmLRMvBA Yl4Wb56pYRt11/uxdHAqs39k95pQ2LNa5i4nt5crt1PvUia6SUgT9kEQ/w== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:29:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c145f4af8aa_544d3ff65d09af7c87223 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I'm not sure how to respond to "I don't see the value". As I said, it would be convenient for certain implementation strategies to have everything that affects stream state grouped together so that you can just do: ``` 1. Is this a stream-type frame? 2. Find stream 3. Pass to stream ``` And having the check in one require ranging across multiple types and then having the step in 3 require passing a type (and needing to keep the type lists in sync) is clumsy. I'm prepared to believe that it wouldn't be useful in your implementation, but it would be in Minq. Note that this would be somewhat easier if the ranges for all the stream-affecting frames were contiguous, but they are currently not. WRT the question of the stream frames being bulkier, that seems like an artifact of how you construct things. You don't need to have MAX_STREAM_DATA in any frame, but rather you need a way to carry it, but presence or absence can be a bit or some other encoding. It need not chew up the full size. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/775#issuecomment-330596075 ----==_mimepart_59c145f4af8aa_544d3ff65d09af7c87223 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, I'm not sure how to respond to "I don't see the value". As I said,= it would be convenient for certain implementation strategies to have every= thing that affects stream state grouped together so that you can just do: 

1. Is this a stream-type frame?
2. Find stream
3. Pass to stream

And having the check in one require ranging across multiple types and th= en having the step in 3 require passing a type (and needing to keep the typ= e lists in sync) is clumsy. I'm prepared to believe that it wouldn't be use= ful in your implementation, but it would be in Minq. Note that this would b= e somewhat easier if the ranges for all the stream-affecting frames were co= ntiguous, but they are currently not.

WRT the question of the stream frames being bulkier, that seems like an = artifact of how you construct things. You don't need to have MAX_STREAM_DAT= A in any frame, but rather you need a way to carry it, but presence or abse= nce can be a bit or some other encoding. It need not chew up the full size.=

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This seems like it makes stream frames larger and more complex. Larger= stream frames means a less efficient transport. And more complex frames = means that instead of making the implementation simpler we just end up mo= ving the complexity from on part of the code to another. This doesn't see= m like a good tradeoff to me.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -636,7 +640,9 @@ The pacing rate is a function of the mode, the congestion window, and
 the smoothed rtt.  Specifically, the pacing rate is 2 times the
 congestion window divided by the smoothed RTT during slow start
 and 1.25 times the congestion window divided by the smoothed RTT during
-slow start.
+slow start.  In order to fairly compete with flows that are not pacing,
+it is recommended to not pace the first 10 sent packets when exiting
+quiescence.

I wonder if this entire section should be removed and left to implementers. But this is fine for now, let's discuss that separately.

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@nibanks commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -693,22 +702,35 @@ follows:
    ssthresh = infinite
 ~~~
 
+### On Packet Sent
+
+Whenever a packet is sent, and is contains non-ACK frames,

Instead of and is contains non-ACK frames, I assume you mean and it contains non-ACK frames,?

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Thanks for the comments Nick, I'll try to make sure those end up in my next PR.

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This is also useful for connection migration later on in the connection, since a migrating client may hit a different server if the servers are behind anycast IPs. I'm also in favor of making this part of the server transport params instead of a new frame. It's sent exactly once, at the beginning of the connection. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/560#issuecomment-330641301 ----==_mimepart_59c16c0c37780_4fcf3fbf33eecf784946c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I seem to have missed this thread entirely -- this is very valuable inde= ed. This is also useful for connection migration later on in the connection= , since a migrating client may hit a different server if the servers are be= hind anycast IPs.

I'm also in favor of making this part of the server transport params ins= tead of a new frame. It's sent exactly once, at the beginning of the connec= tion.

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Closes #779.

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  • Allow RST_STREAM to be sent and received after FIN

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2648,6 +2650,10 @@ closes a stream SHOULD be discarded.  An endpoint MAY choose to limit the period
 over which it ignores frames and treat frames that arrive after this time as
 being in error.
 
+An endpoint may receive a RST_STREAM after a FIN if the peer resets the stream
+after sending a FIN on it. In this case, the endpoint MAY discard any data that
+it already received on that stream.

How about adding a sentence that the endpoing MAY close the connection if a stream is reset with a different offset from the previously received fin.

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A stream that is in the "half-closed (local)" state MUST NOT be used for sending on new STREAM frames. Retransmission of data that has already been sent on -STREAM frames is permitted. An endpoint MAY also send MAX_STREAM_DATA and -STOP_SENDING in this state. +STREAM frames is permitted. If the stream is canceled or reset while in this +state, a RST_STREAM frame MAY be sent. A RST_STREAM frame sent in this state Are cancelled or reset different? > @@ -2648,6 +2650,10 @@ closes a stream SHOULD be discarded. An endpoint MAY choose to limit the period over which it ignores frames and treat frames that arrive after this time as being in error. +An endpoint may receive a RST_STREAM after a FIN if the peer resets the stream +after sending a FIN on it. In this case, the endpoint MAY discard any data that +it already received on that stream. I would think should > @@ -2615,8 +2615,10 @@ Any frame type that mentions a stream ID can be sent in this state. A stream that is in the "half-closed (local)" state MUST NOT be used for sending on new STREAM frames. Retransmission of data that has already been sent on -STREAM frames is permitted. An endpoint MAY also send MAX_STREAM_DATA and -STOP_SENDING in this state. +STREAM frames is permitted. If the stream is canceled or reset while in this +state, a RST_STREAM frame MAY be sent. A RST_STREAM frame sent in this state It's probably useful to say why you would do this. > @@ -2648,6 +2650,10 @@ closes a stream SHOULD be discarded. An endpoint MAY choose to limit the period over which it ignores frames and treat frames that arrive after this time as being in error. +An endpoint may receive a RST_STREAM after a FIN if the peer resets the stream +after sending a FIN on it. In this case, the endpoint MAY discard any data that I would put the "if first" so it reads "If the peer resets the stream...." > @@ -2615,8 +2615,10 @@ Any frame type that mentions a stream ID can be sent in this state. A stream that is in the "half-closed (local)" state MUST NOT be used for sending on new STREAM frames. Retransmission of data that has already been sent on -STREAM frames is permitted. An endpoint MAY also send MAX_STREAM_DATA and -STOP_SENDING in this state. +STREAM frames is permitted. If the stream is canceled or reset while in this +state, a RST_STREAM frame MAY be sent. A RST_STREAM frame sent in this state So I can also send multiple RST_STREAMs? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/781#pullrequestreview-63782336 ----==_mimepart_59c175d6136f4_663c3fa5c07daf781033a9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2615,8 +2615,10 @@ Any frame type that mentions a stream ID can be sent in this state.
 
 A stream that is in the "half-closed (local)" state MUST NOT be used for sending
 on new STREAM frames.  Retransmission of data that has already been sent on
-STREAM frames is permitted.  An endpoint MAY also send MAX_STREAM_DATA and
-STOP_SENDING in this state.
+STREAM frames is permitted.  If the stream is canceled or reset while in this
+state, a RST_STREAM frame MAY be sent. A RST_STREAM frame sent in this state

Are cancelled or reset different?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2648,6 +2650,10 @@ closes a stream SHOULD be discarded.  An endpoint MAY choose to limit the period
 over which it ignores frames and treat frames that arrive after this time as
 being in error.
 
+An endpoint may receive a RST_STREAM after a FIN if the peer resets the stream
+after sending a FIN on it. In this case, the endpoint MAY discard any data that
+it already received on that stream.

I would think should

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2615,8 +2615,10 @@ Any frame type that mentions a stream ID can be sent in this state.
 
 A stream that is in the "half-closed (local)" state MUST NOT be used for sending
 on new STREAM frames.  Retransmission of data that has already been sent on
-STREAM frames is permitted.  An endpoint MAY also send MAX_STREAM_DATA and
-STOP_SENDING in this state.
+STREAM frames is permitted.  If the stream is canceled or reset while in this
+state, a RST_STREAM frame MAY be sent. A RST_STREAM frame sent in this state

It's probably useful to say why you would do this.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2648,6 +2650,10 @@ closes a stream SHOULD be discarded.  An endpoint MAY choose to limit the period
 over which it ignores frames and treat frames that arrive after this time as
 being in error.
 
+An endpoint may receive a RST_STREAM after a FIN if the peer resets the stream
+after sending a FIN on it. In this case, the endpoint MAY discard any data that

I would put the "if first" so it reads "If the peer resets the stream...."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2615,8 +2615,10 @@ Any frame type that mentions a stream ID can be sent in this state.
 
 A stream that is in the "half-closed (local)" state MUST NOT be used for sending
 on new STREAM frames.  Retransmission of data that has already been sent on
-STREAM frames is permitted.  An endpoint MAY also send MAX_STREAM_DATA and
-STOP_SENDING in this state.
+STREAM frames is permitted.  If the stream is canceled or reset while in this
+state, a RST_STREAM frame MAY be sent. A RST_STREAM frame sent in this state

So I can also send multiple RST_STREAMs?

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I replaced is_retransmittable with is_ack_only in PR #780, because padding is not retransmittable, but does count towards bytes in flight. My intent is to make everything that is not an ack only packet count towards bytes_in_flight. But I think there's still some more editorial work to clarify the separation you describe. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/591#issuecomment-330659040 ----==_mimepart_59c179bb83685_57733ff0ae990f7863584 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Agreed that these concepts need to be separated.

I replaced is_retransmittable with is_ack_only in PR #780, because padding is not retransmittab= le, but does count towards bytes in flight. My intent is to make everythin= g that is not an ack only packet count towards bytes_in_flight.

But I think there's still some more editorial work to clarify the separa= tion you describe.

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= ----==_mimepart_59c179bb83685_57733ff0ae990f7863584-- From nobody Tue Sep 19 13:15:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F302A1329B5 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:15:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yi_1PYQNPt1Q for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 049801320D8 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:15:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 13:15:11 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1505852111; bh=YTSR/t/dTrU5EA3rCFBWa6QfoKXUBnZGKjIWeun3OHA=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=m76yYtPgmuSste0yK3fMniMDyDhYxZypWAa0ZE+ZuXM/VAgnC13lyrc67ZidysqNk s22vzdJnFa9QY5Fy9qGUbFUEAXRTga5WO+I+X8XEk0EQ8iO93Qki0vGzXiq1ZKgTpq Z/XGVcH9DgaNapTe3+AmsWd0gtOPycD618n0RM0U= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Negotiate use of timestamps in ACK frame (#774) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c17acf4b8e9_799b3f94474e8f843715c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 20:15:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c17acf4b8e9_799b3f94474e8f843715c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe the separate timestamp frame only makes sense if we take Subodh= 's idea of making timestamps an implicit ack. It is somewhat strange to include a bunch of ack blocks when the timestamps contain all the new information. At one of these meetings, we're going to have to have a thorough discussi= on about timestamps, and if the full-scale design is frequently (or ever) worthwhile. Personally, I haven't done much with the timestamps and have = no strong opinion on it. On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:14 AM, ianswett wrot= e: > Negotiating timestamps sounds good to me, though I'd hope we can agree = on > one format for most use cases. > > I can see the use case for requesting only 1 timestamp per ack frame vs= > requesting one timestamp for every newly acked packet. > > I would really like to keep timestamps(and ECN when it's added) as part= s > of the ack frame because it's much more challenging to implement conges= tion > control if the information arrives in sequence(even in different packet= s) > instead of at the same time. Timestamps in particular are closely relat= ed > to the acked packets, and given we'll likely want to support multiple a= ck > frames in a single packet in the future, having multiple ack frames and= > multiple timestamp frames would become really complex. > > It does make acks 'more complex' but the overall complexity is lower. > > Timestamps are already forbidden from unprotected ack frames, so it sho= uld > be simple enough to negotiate timestamps and only use them post-handsha= ke. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/774#issuecomment-330660198= ----==_mimepart_59c17acf4b8e9_799b3f94474e8f843715c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe the separate timestamp frame only makes sense if we take Subodh= 's
idea of making timestamps an implicit ack. It is somewhat strange to
include a bunch of ack blocks when the timestamps contain all the new
= information.

At one of these meetings, we're going to have to have a thorough disc= ussion
about timestamps, and if the full-scale design is frequently (or ever) worthwhile. Personally, I haven't done much with the timestamps and h= ave no
strong opinion on it.

On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 9:14 AM, ianswett <notifications@github.com>= ; wrote:

> Negotiating timestamps sounds good to me, though I'd hope we can= agree on
> one format for most use cases.
>
> I can see the use case for requesting only 1 timestamp per ack frame= vs
> requesting one timestamp for every newly acked packet.
>
> I would really like to keep timestamps(and ECN when it's added) = as parts
> of the ack frame because it's much more challenging to implement= congestion
> control if the information arrives in sequence(even in different pac= kets)
> instead of at the same time. Timestamps in particular are closely re= lated
> to the acked packets, and given we'll likely want to support mul= tiple ack
> frames in a single packet in the future, having multiple ack frames = and
> multiple timestamp frames would become really complex.
>
> It does make acks 'more complex' but the overall complexity = is lower.
>
> Timestamps are already forbidden from unprotected ack frames, so it = should
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If we're actively trying to send a timestamp for a received packet, that= implies we're storing the received time somewhere. Once we give up on time= stamps we can throw that information; indeed, there is no necessary per-pac= ket receipt record except for the timestamp.

I concur that there is a decent case for sending all unacked ack block a= t all times; however, this bit profligacy sits uncomfortably with other com= plexity designed to save a bit or two here and there.

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If the loss rates are low, then it commonly costs zero extra bytes to ke= ep acking packets that have been included in an ack frame before. If loss = rates are high, then it's likely a good idea to repeat ack info since previ= ous acks may have been lost. This seems like a good tradeoff to me.

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@jan= aiyengar I must not have expressed myself clearly on case (A). Here i= s an example.
Acks for packets 1001-1200 and 1210-1300 are inflight.
Then I receive (much delayed) packet 1000.

The timestamp information would be quite useful, I imagine, as this wi= ll spike the rttvar. If I include all ack blocks, then largest_acked is 1= 300 and I have no way to express a timestamp 300 packet numbers below lar= gest_acked.

A corner case, yes. It's possible to write some intricate code to hand= le this case. It's much simpler to not send higher ack blocks as a matter= of course. This is how I ended up on option (ii) above.

Anyway, my intent is not to necessarily argue for what I did. It would= be useful to get a sense of what people are doing and include an impleme= ntation note (or a SHOULD) if there's rough consensus.

@ianswe= tt In the zero-loss case there is no difference between (ii) and (iv)= .

Comparing (ii) and (iv), each packet loss or burst loss in a window wi= ll cost me from 2 to 9 bytes of overhead in each packet. From a wire effi= ciency perspective, this is much worse than just sending it when the ack = is lost, which when using case (ii) may require the loss of multiple acks= and is generally quite improbable. OTOH, delivering the ack in < 2RTT= with very high probability is good for avoiding spurious retransmissions= and congestion backoff.

This tradeoff doesn't seem obvious to me, but again I think the import= ant thing is to capture the consensus.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2615,8 +2615,10 @@ Any frame type that mentions a stream ID can be sent in this state.
 
 A stream that is in the "half-closed (local)" state MUST NOT be used for sending
 on new STREAM frames.  Retransmission of data that has already been sent on
-STREAM frames is permitted.  An endpoint MAY also send MAX_STREAM_DATA and
-STOP_SENDING in this state.
+STREAM frames is permitted.  If the stream is canceled or reset while in this
+state, a RST_STREAM frame MAY be sent. A RST_STREAM frame sent in this state

It can, but they'd be indistinguishable from a retransmission

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ekr: github is acting weird, so responding to one of your comments here.= You suggested SHOULD for "the endpoint MAY discard any data that it alread= y received on that stream." I'm sticking with MAY, since that's consistent = with text around what to do with a received RST_STREAM. Perhaps we should c= hange this in both places.

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Per-packet timestamps may be useful, which is why it makes se= nse to make them negotiable. Christian lists some use cases above, and we= are planning to use it the BBR congestion controller to separate forward= path delay variance from reverse-path. This is useful for delay-based co= ngestion controllers in general.

Ian's point about receiving congestion control information "in sequenc= e" instead of all at once has convinced me that having a separate frame w= ould actually hurt, so I'm on board with having it be part of the ACK fra= me.

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Revisiting this question, I think we have a small bit of a pickle. From = #645, we agreed in Pr= ague that "Off-path attacks would be protected against by using return rout= eability/proof of receipt." Server Cleartext carries a brand new packet num= ber and carries a server-chosen connection ID, which means there's no proof= of receipt in this packet. We should address this.

We could simply require that a Server Cleartext packet that closes a con= nection MUST echo the client's connection ID. This ought to be ok, since th= is connection is getting torn down, so there won't be a need to use a new c= onnection ID anyways.

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> Revisiting this question, I think we have a small bit of a pickle. Fro= m
> #645 <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/645>, we agre= ed in
> Prague that "Off-path attacks would be protected against by using= return
> routeability/proof of receipt." Server Cleartext carries a brand = new packet
> number and carries a server-chosen connection ID, which means there= 9;s no
> proof of receipt in this packet. We should address this.
>
> We could simply require that a Server Cleartext packet that closes a > connection MUST echo the client's connection ID. This ought to be = ok, since
> this connection is getting torn down, so there won't be a need to = use a new
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This PR covers half-closed, but you can also send/receive RST_STREAM in closed to avert retransmissions. If we're being explicit, we should cover that case as well.

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----==_mimepart_59c19612f2ad6_5fea3fc38b2a8f8096192-- From nobody Tue Sep 19 15:25:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB69133052 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:25:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.253 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.253 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k1ilXLnMQwDE for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58F79132944 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:25:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:25:43 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1505859943; bh=ioHvNumssRqpkko1TXQAZG3xzTnrAHYOKWaWcWx5T/M=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uhpeTOh0U0u4I7kxhKmEGsbWarXiErtw50ica5Nz56H1qU+BBFr2oJ1vEYuFd4UOU +PpXZ7LfA1nnoYxmDgDdXGt2KUMWZm1nt5gW8Ekr2TQq0iNDN3haHUE6WAPej7+5AV Dk0coJDY3NcWfhq5Gi9xivWMbKR+ONBBBn9+Dl+s= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake errors (#608) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c1996784758_6a573ff7c31fcf841236b7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:25:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c1996784758_6a573ff7c31fcf841236b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Presumably this means the client's connection ID, not the server's right? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/608#issuecomment-330691396 ----==_mimepart_59c1996784758_6a573ff7c31fcf841236b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Presumably this means the client's connection ID, not the server's right?

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In #757, the CANCELLED state is discussed in the context of GOAWAY, because HTTP/2 used cancellation only for closure and for exceeding the stream limit (which is moot in HTTP/QUIC). But there's no text that actually prohibits sending it at other times. Should there be?

If not, the logic in #770 for not blowing up when the server cancels (declaring it hasn't processed any of the request) after starting to respond (proving that it has started processing the request) is somewhat broken. As @janaiyengar points out, if the client doesn't hard-require it, it's not a MUST [NOT].

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The transport contains generic advice and a recommendation that application protocols provide further guidance. The HTTP mapping specifies that the client is the one that performs keep-alives and that it should only do so if it is waiting on responses from the server. Closes #729. Commit: 2d917370e5b650c27923d64ffa4a0c180634c16c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2d917370e5b650c27923d64ffa4a0c180634c16c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-08 (Fri, 08 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Correct some pretty lame snafus Commit: d8d5d21810d4b3d53d574fea8fb7639179ccc21f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d8d5d21810d4b3d53d574fea8fb7639179ccc21f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-08 (Fri, 08 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Minor grammatical fix Commit: 0793373c336dd9d82f805cf96537007389e27dbd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0793373c336dd9d82f805cf96537007389e27dbd Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-09-19 (Tue, 19 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #744 from quicwg/keep-alive Keep-alive requirements Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/4c2e6085a5bb...0793373c336d ----==_mimepart_59c19bbf776cc_195b3fd7f99d1c44849b4-- From nobody Tue Sep 19 15:36:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75D713301C for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:35:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YzyJ8H-ti8-4 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:35:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F201133048 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:35:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=ZoseflcFRGG7n3D3TKwD+BfmYRk=; b=gUrOTjCwG4tfi94G kPdTE/G1/SZf81a4ysC1jyvnRNB7og+viWxSB4YRl1Qfo7G+8hUWtpnfPtfrtu9F B98Np7G+vuHcpnVpWL2HGCo1GvbPi4ndguBWQ8m0+hBbYGpdUYANPIHZnzpu0Y9C tokux2gm0/SFB+KVxg2Myi8b88E= Received: by filter1188p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1188p1mdw1-10076-59C19BC3-1B 2017-09-19 22:35:47.294813782 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id IoySXU_qQ5GgfL-cCzZPjQ for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:35:47.127 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:35:47 +0000 (UTC) From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Keep-alive requirements (#744) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c19bc328c4e_1c5943fcad010af88605ea"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3kyyyKJpDPL9f/iV12+Q+pqdC+C3SzBbR2XR 6+pCT2s4g9cgyfAm10ePptJces0lmNRdHp3F6JHtI6AYpxJcqToDDMsAU67g9PbKEvmmtVOFiflcHw k81IQBnFtph7r2jRXwddTEcFtOrLx4049EOy/kaJr/dbJINx3MgvOUwHRaA9GmfzDX+ZKFsIMkoeeW o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:35:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c19bc328c4e_1c5943fcad010af88605ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #744. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_59c19bc328c4e_1c5943fcad010af88605ea-- From nobody Tue Sep 19 15:36:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA0713301C for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:36:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GDX6Qj8h_UH9 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0D4B13219C for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:36:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=K4/P0hv42zk0kSCwgtM7f9PNcgg=; b=qaDq8mUahxG99/jl VDmWcQsUUHZp7n6oPCZ9S7IVVdYwuiHVxRXKw29+v8SIhFCi3gQD4dwW7Rmf8n3Z yY07mlsmCFWFFR+JCjju8ON9EitURQMKTX8Qi0WQHRWa+7rs3BPgZdi83YCUAvXX JqeKUP4a3x/Gdz4YZNh4pdaIqeE= Received: by filter0829p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0829p1mdw1-20894-59C19BEF-6 2017-09-19 22:36:31.251991755 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0024p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 9_L9KOtuSE2-zEMFldy9_w for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:36:31.205 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:36:31 +0000 (UTC) From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] IP Anycast with server IP+Port renegotiation (#560) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c19bef1c6f5_25ab3fb6cb798f8061982"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2UDF0ah3VAWLQthIxcH/DvNZhsuHWk2FJeqN 5lEIb1cd25drzEouPDVaaTG16SCTpRpoRcxpu0T4fGXT0XhPJhUhwk/jSbNuQA8neIhN3pRmd1+qh5 JbvTWGpFq1/3IVQP7Tdd2FYT4Ed1QuVjf27/vlOWPziqWrdRE5uyoobPKXoUNybOWA3Cl02US6k8L2 E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:36:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c19bef1c6f5_25ab3fb6cb798f8061982 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I actually like this proposal a lot. Moving connections off anycast address to a unicast address belonging to the same server quickly (at the end of a handshake) is a major use-case. @ianswett's migration to a different server is a different use case. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/560#issuecomment-330693410 ----==_mimepart_59c19bef1c6f5_25ab3fb6cb798f8061982 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I actually like this proposal a lot. Moving connections off anycast addr= ess to a unicast address belonging to the same server quickly (at the end o= f a handshake) is a major use-case.

@ianswett= 's migration to a different server is a different use case.

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Two basic= ones have been suggested: 1. **TCP Stream sockets.** These only support signaling =E2=80=9Corderly= =E2=80=9D closing of the write direction. Closing of the read direction ca= n only be done via close(), but that may leave the write direction in an un= defined state (writing will complete, unless there was unread data in the r= ead buffer or any data is received after close =E2=80=93 see RFC 1122 4.2.2= .13 $3). 2. **A POSIX pipe pair.** Connected pipes are very clean (=E2=80=98symmetri= c=E2=80=99) abstractions, and they communicate close events (you close the = =E2=80=98write=E2=80=99 pipe, =E2=80=98read=E2=80=99 pipe get EOS; you clos= e the =E2=80=98read=E2=80=99 pipe, =E2=80=98write=E2=80=99 pipe gets an exc= eption). My mental model has been (2): a stream/stream-pair consists of an InputStr= eam and an OutputStream; you can read on one, you can write on the other. = For the write stream, you can write your data to completion and close the s= tream, or you can decide to abort writing. The wire expressions of these a= re FIN and RST_STREAM, respectively. For the read stream, you can read the= incoming data to the end or you can abort reading and discard the remainde= r of the stream; the wire expression of this would be flow control updates = or STOP_SENDING, respectively. On the other side, receipt of a RST_STREAM = surfaces as a read error and receipt of a STOP_SENDING surfaces as a write = error. (@janaiyengar commented that in this mental model it might be clear= er to call the frames WRITE_ABORT and READ_ABORT.) #485 suggests that streams only close by application action; there would ne= ver be a write error surfaced to the application unless the underlying tran= sport went away entirely. Instead, as in #758, it=E2=80=99s the responsibi= lity of the application protocol to communicate (on another stream, in this= case) that you should abort writing, even if you=E2=80=99ve already writte= n to completion, and then to do so. That implies that the application need= s the ability to return to streams on which it=E2=80=99s done writing, in c= ase it=E2=80=99s later asked to go back and reset them. Much of our discussions around unidirectional streams, stream state transit= ions, etc. including the question of whether STOP_SENDING belongs at the tr= ansport layer, stem from the fact that we all have different implicit menta= l models of the functional surface QUIC exposes. Perhaps we should take a = step back and agree on that first, as I believe Christian has suggested in = the past? --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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From mailing list thread: Several open issues (#485,#184,#758= ) come down to how you conceive of the API a QUIC implementation will e= xpose. Two basic ones have been suggested:

  1. TCP Stream sockets. These only support signaling =E2= =80=9Corderly=E2=80=9D closing of the write direction. Closing of the read= direction can only be done via close(), but that may leave the write direc= tion in an undefined state (writing will complete, unless there was unread = data in the read buffer or any data is received after close =E2=80=93 see R= FC 1122 4.2.2.13 $3).

  2. A POSIX pipe pair. Connected pipes are very clean (=E2= =80=98symmetric=E2=80=99) abstractions, and they communicate close events (= you close the =E2=80=98write=E2=80=99 pipe, =E2=80=98read=E2=80=99 pipe get= EOS; you close the =E2=80=98read=E2=80=99 pipe, =E2=80=98write=E2=80=99 pi= pe gets an exception).

My mental model has been (2): a stream/stream-pair consists of an Input= Stream and an OutputStream; you can read on one, you can write on the other= . For the write stream, you can write your data to completion and close th= e stream, or you can decide to abort writing. The wire expressions of thes= e are FIN and RST_STREAM, respectively. For the read stream, you can read = the incoming data to the end or you can abort reading and discard the remai= nder of the stream; the wire expression of this would be flow control updat= es or STOP_SENDING, respectively. On the other side, receipt of a RST_STRE= AM surfaces as a read error and receipt of a STOP_SENDING surfaces as a wri= te error. (@janaiyengar commented that in this mental model it might be clearer= to call the frames WRITE_ABORT and READ_ABORT.)

#485 suggests that= streams only close by application action; there would never be a write err= or surfaced to the application unless the underlying transport went away en= tirely. Instead, as in #= 758, it=E2=80=99s the responsibility of the application protocol to com= municate (on another stream, in this case) that you should abort writing, e= ven if you=E2=80=99ve already written to completion, and then to do so. Th= at implies that the application needs the ability to return to streams on w= hich it=E2=80=99s done writing, in case it=E2=80=99s later asked to go back= and reset them.

Much of our discussions around unidirectional streams, stream state tran= sitions, etc. including the question of whether STOP_SENDING belongs at the= transport layer, stem from the fact that we all have different implicit me= ntal models of the functional surface QUIC exposes. Perhaps we should take= a step back and agree on that first, as I believe Christian has suggested = in the past?

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Clarify Connection ID use for 0-RTT and 1-RTT packets.

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  • Clarify Connection ID text

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At least 2. would seem wrong because arbitrarily closing a stream at t= ransport layer breaks application context.

  1. Seems fair, but it complicates application development. Why should de= velopers really care.
  2. Might cause unexpected delays, and application might prefer connectin= g elsewhere.

The API could have an open flag indicating whether they want an error = on 0-RTT, or treat the failed connect as a packet loss.

Thus, both 1. and 3. makes sense and might be selectable by applicatio= n choise. In QUIC terms this means the transport should either fail conne= ction with a specific error on 0-RTT or alternatively silently use 1-RTT = via packet loss without disrupting the application depending on the users= API configuration.

A 4th option could be to start over but having the API think it is the= same connection. This is not a good idea because the API might have data= buffers linked to the connection and moving those associations to a new = connection might be complicated. Suddenly API connection and transport co= nnection becomes different things.

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Loops sound like an app concern. (And it is probably among the simplest = of app concerns in case of a mid-connection server migration. The app would= also need to migrate app state and quic state out-of-band. It would also n= eed to forward to the new sever quic packets arriving at the old sever afte= r that state migration.)

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= ----==_mimepart_59c25f844556a_1d0c3fcb97086f7c78010-- From nobody Wed Sep 20 07:09:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719E0129A89 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 07:09:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ATL6iOS8EEK7 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 07:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext4.iad.github.net [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9BB3126B6D for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 07:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 07:09:33 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1505916573; bh=T80AMvyWp+Blph6cBKWWBMckjaSmBcg8dk6NNk20Nak=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=g/pwvJ6ZsnZByU/NTbIuYBHwQB2pVl1CpAEmeuSPzQkLwE3y09LnauxTAoyXRL3IY VQQaL2l/u4It09WHB92g0ng6pMMeX5LwPVnlLQm7k7JTl7Q3mVInref9GpkxTgG0Vp 0v4jRmLSdiUbDMPB5iAGLKKPfl4kTCkUpZPVMVMs= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rejection of 0-RTT: start over? (#761) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c2769dd3ffc_7ad33fbc8f0b4f8877472"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 14:09:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c2769dd3ffc_7ad33fbc8f0b4f8877472 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Martin Thomson = wrote: > If 0-RTT is rejected should the client: > > 1. start over at the application layer > 2. close all streams that it initiated (can't do that because stream= 1 > is special) > 3. just pretend that the packets were lost and need retransmission > > Previously, people (@RyanAtGoogle ) > advocated for 3. So far the preponderance of feedback on the list has b= een > in favour of 1, which is at least consistent with the approach in TLS. > =E2=80=8BYeah, we do #3 in Google's QUIC implementation which is super si= mple. Yay for simple. Until recently I thought everyone should just do the simple thing. Alas, it can also be incorrect :(=E2=80=8B In particular, if there are an= y properties of the request which depend on the connection's key (for examp= le Token Binding headers) then they will not be updated to reflect the new keys. So in our implementation we're going to eventually move away from #= 3. That being said, can you clarify the difference between 1 and 2? For example, in the case of HTTP over QUIC using Token Binding, we need to request headers to be regenerated which (in the case of Chrome's network stack) means that the request needs to be restarted up in the application= and hence. Would this be an example of 1 or 2? (2 could definitely work, but I'm not sure I understand the details of 1) -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/761#issuecomment-330863379= ----==_mimepart_59c2769dd3ffc_7ad33fbc8f0b4f8877472 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Martin Thomson <notifications@github.c= om>
wrote:

> If 0-RTT is rejected should the client:
>
> 1. start over at the application layer
> 2. close all streams that it initiated (can't do that because= stream 1
> is special)
> 3. just pretend that the packets were lost and need retransmissio= n
>
> Previously, people (@RyanAtGoogle <https://github.com/ryanatgoogl= e>)
> advocated for 3. So far the preponderance of feedback on the list ha= s been
> in favour of 1, which is at least consistent with the approach in TL= S.
>
=E2=80=8BYeah, we do #3 in Google's QUIC implementation which is supe= r simple. Yay
for simple. Until recently I thought everyone should just do the simple thing.

Alas, it can also be incorrect :(=E2=80=8B In particular, if there are an= y
properties of the request which depend on the connection's key (for e= xample
Token Binding headers) then they will not be updated to reflect the new keys. So in our implementation we're going to eventually move away fr= om #3.

That being said, can you clarify the difference between 1 and 2? For
example, in the case of HTTP over QUIC using Token Binding, we need to request headers to be regenerated which (in the case of Chrome's netw= ork
stack) means that the request needs to be restarted up in the application=
and hence. Would this be an example of 1 or 2? (2 could definitely work,<= br> but I'm not sure I understand the details of 1)

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= ----==_mimepart_59c2769dd3ffc_7ad33fbc8f0b4f8877472-- From nobody Wed Sep 20 07:26:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF293132EC4 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 07:26:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qYDYyKdOrus3 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 07:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A964413217D for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 07:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 07:26:00 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1505917560; bh=93Qjm/yRSo+MCKkJHvHpOeflc3g4v+mm4GX1xMy3GNo=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dN/jDgXDpkDIMSmZDfhaeXKQNZl81d0pi83gxYLX9XKFwDlN3MCKAPDCLQzCk8cin 3MfnsiCLc4goSxRFIYivPSM7jjhSGANwuAI0E1EF2I9dTdhstsMvdMX9ZgDatWOq8x lspqTIzC9aFzBtOgx4pE8pefy6lcsuoUAaiAHIvY= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rejection of 0-RTT: start over? (#761) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c27a78e8db2_181a3fa4e7d1ef7c867ab"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 14:26:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c27a78e8db2_181a3fa4e7d1ef7c867ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So I didn't define 1 or 2, but my understanding is: Option 1 cancels the connection attempt with a specific error allowing the application at a high level loop to start a new connection with different arguments. Option 2 just cancels streams, meaning the application remains, but suddenly certain streams start to fail. For some applications this might just be pulling a new stream, but for others complicated application state must be managed - for example some protocols might never fail the first 10 streams because, short of connection failure, there is nothing inherent that can fail - this because the transport layer does not arbitrarily fail streams - it at most blocks them on flow. Thus, having transport cancelling a stream is highly disruptive whereas giving up a new connection attemt as in option 1, is to be expected for many reasons, and comparatively easy to deal with. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/761#issuecomment-330868376 ----==_mimepart_59c27a78e8db2_181a3fa4e7d1ef7c867ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So I didn't define 1 or 2, but my understanding is:

Option 1 cancels the connection attempt with a specific error allowing= the application at a high level loop to start a new connection with diff= erent arguments.

Option 2 just cancels streams, meaning the application remains, but su= ddenly certain streams start to fail. For some applications this might ju= st be pulling a new stream, but for others complicated application state = must be managed - for example some protocols might never fail the first 1= 0 streams because, short of connection failure, there is nothing inherent= that can fail - this because the transport layer does not arbitrarily fa= il streams - it at most blocks them on flow.

Thus, having transport cancelling a stream is highly disruptive wherea= s giving up a new connection attemt as in option 1, is to be expected for= many reasons, and comparatively easy to deal with.

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Let's not forget that RST and FIN are supposed to be only initiated by the application. What does that mean for an application to issue RST after FIN?

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I know that in TLS 1.3, the answer is no. But the TLS answer applies to TLS over TCP, for which TLS manages the transition from handshake data to application data. QUIC is arguably different. The stream zero frame will carry the Finished message as an encrypted handshake message. But the spec is a bit ambiguous as to whether this stream zero frame shall be carried as "Client Clear Text" or "1-RTT Data".

I would much prefer 1-RTT data, because of repetition handling. If we imposed Client Clear Text, and the packet is lost, the stream zero frame will have to be retransmitted again as client clear text. That means interleaving clear text data and encrypted data within a single set of sequence number, and I am convinced that that can be abused to carry some kind of denial of service.

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was one of the big reasons for the TLS 1.3 key schedule being the way it
is. So I'd really much rather have it be in Client Clear Text.

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> "Client Clear Text" or "1-RTT Data".
>
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Sure. But the look at the transport. Client packet #3 is Client Clear Text. Client packet #4 is 1RTT. Then #5 is Client clear text, repeat. #6 is 1 RTT. #7 is a fake Client Clear Text. #7 is real 1 RTT Data, but gets igno= re because of duplicate SN. Etc.

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Then look at this extract from the QUIC TLS draft:

Important:
Until the handshake is reported as complete, the connection and key exchang= e are not properly
authenticated at the server. Even though 1-RTT keys are available to a serv= er after receiving the first
handshake messages from a client, the server cannot consider the client to = be authenticated until it
receives and validates the client=E2=80=99s Finished message.
The requirement for the server to wait for the client Finished message crea= tes a dependency on that
message being delivered. A client can avoid the potential for head-of-line = blocking that this implies by
sending a copy of the STREAM frame that carries the Finished message in mul= tiple packets. This
enables immediate server processing for those packets.

Howdo you do that if you cannot send the Finshed in 1-RTT packets?

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= ----==_mimepart_59c2b8085d8b6_48163fa40978ef78784b-- From nobody Wed Sep 20 13:09:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB583134303 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:09:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.02 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.02 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bb9tAK1IZi4M for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B6DC132C32 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:08:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=w7srsgJZRnpfJZix337sKRh7n+k=; b=Ah545C6ZJyFazrtg bs1lKZ/xbU3SZ9uMj9xmxWiCWG1WWfQ5RUAJ2s8oEKvdqtudjNPqQYBms4tCYM4T lcx9M6DhMxMPQFSlGm+0dAIbdwUFMrKlrAQJQo7/eeoUIZWdFjlEcEhfNLaDLdF6 hajhrm2BUA1jSCElm71/TueGdAQ= Received: by filter0361p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0361p1las1-28411-59C2CAD9-A8 2017-09-20 20:08:57.94233314 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0007p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id DEZl4DI_QaSxTRmXMv-ryw for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2017 20:08:57.863 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 20:08:58 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Can Finished be sent as 1-RTT data? (#785) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c2cad987c42_176a43fa3ebd84f7c99585"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak11lTpvLF2/anCZwQqu0UgeQLGXYoBO8zE4UV oD+ENnJu7Z7sGOSyerrSiAhM/Avi71bubNzlwgCQ+ZREtr6+zzLwGFt+yuddegx5voiarK9FZIa91J 3muzvyAgWLJo6FY2gXiV7VUWNLkTEgpyDD4Bq+cw5wXgSu/3cL/v3mBeUg== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 20:09:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c2cad987c42_176a43fa3ebd84f7c99585 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Sure. But the look at the transport. Client packet #3 is Client Clear Text. Client packet #4 is 1RTT. Then #5 is Client clear text, repeat. #6 is 1 RTT. #7 is a fake Client Clear Text. #7 is real 1 RTT Data, but gets ignore because of duplicate SN. Etc." This just seems like another DoS injection attack, which is properly solved by having a connection ID authentication tag on the cleartext packets. The draft text you cite is just wrong. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/785#issuecomment-330966063 ----==_mimepart_59c2cad987c42_176a43fa3ebd84f7c99585 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"Sure. But the look at the transport. Client packet #3 is Client Clear Text. Client packet #4 is 1RTT. Then #5 is Client clear text, repeat. #6 is 1 RTT. #7 is a fake Client Clear Text. #7 is real 1 RTT Data, but gets = ignore because of duplicate SN. Etc."

This just seems like another DoS injection attack, which is properly sol= ved by having a connection ID authentication tag on the cleartext packets.<= /p>

The draft text you cite is just wrong.

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It should be obvious, but we should make it clear since endianness matters, especially when we feed connection ID into the en/decrypters.

Also, version number should be treated as a uint. We should be explicit about this as well.

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Good point -- it should be the client's connection ID, otherwise there's= no proof of receipt. The Server Cleartext however carries a server-chosen = Connection ID, which makes this all just a bit confusing unfortunately.

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Two comments. First, I think you meant 64 bit not 32 :)

But second, my inclination is that for anything in the protocol which is= vaguely numeric with should store it in memory in host-byte-order and writ= e to the wire in network-byte-order. As such, I would argue that the connec= tion id should be "an unsigned 64-bit number".

As to the QUIC version, I agree that the QUIC version should be "and uns= igned 32-bit number". I believe that is already implied by the spec, but be= ing explicit would be good.

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  • error code space is 30 bits
  • error codes can be used with stop_sending
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Yes, thanks for correcting, I meant 64-bit connection ID and 32-bit Ve= rsion.

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----==_mimepart_59c438696b7ab_4a1c3fd7f8bd4f88643e0-- From nobody Thu Sep 21 15:31:16 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FE01321D8 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 15:31:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=jri=google.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LK7Hf2O4HMR2 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 15:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 012D5120724 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 15:31:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1506033072; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=uScqjKJ/9/OqMrV+gmZA6fExo/20bLppwJYWgMi53iU=; b=H0ELn3ULne5SEbH9WtDDH2QGpjMQf4JdwSg4Ivuqj1UHIj+co6TGBX9/hXgDCg1Oh2YkZivK JQ6aFutELG4WqM2ZR7kLliYmuBDz87zLii2LTd3in0yw4+U/KbVke0p0cY77NI6t1NDmwmyr 59RreYdnL+l5zAnC3lyWHFEfS5A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MZsBGI00IHHnoq8/FsuMw7bv5fdZHRvgK0LOAxJdSnBFWideuelXPRjeOUGTtytyqKb2NH AtQRfIE9mWL/Y3PKUIfEQZ00ZIz3YF5zB+ZrZ1PhYE3+ls/lpt28tPirFt0xocs68hW/50AU 1gZVSHRi+mhp+vidZbs8rIsQ/ZTrw= Sender: jri=google.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.41]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59c43dab.7f5c4c01ce10-smtp-out-n02; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:31:07 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 15:31:07 -0700 From: janaiyengar Reply-To: janaiyengar To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59c43dab8e8f9_61ed3fb430bbbc402269b@hookshot-fe5-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] c0c5e8: Specify connection ID and version a unsigned numbe... 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@mikkelfj= , I'm not sure that's true. The structure of an HTTP/QUIC request is d= efined in terms of frames within the stream. If you've successfully receiv= ed all frames that constitute a request message, then the stream gets RST, = I think you're in a bit of a gray area. Implementations are naturally goin= g to start consuming requests as they arrive to deal with large requests th= at have to be streamed, so you can't just ignore a request until the stream= FINs.

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@huitema, FIN means the application has completed everything it was going to writ= e. RST means it now realizes it didn't need to write what it already has. = That realization can reasonably arrive after dumping the data in the send = buffer.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c43fd9ec64b_77773fe468087c3051452"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 22:40:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c43fd9ec64b_77773fe468087c3051452 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: f535ee6fc1ee2cf4c95ac1059df2ce9e2cdda0c5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f535ee6fc1ee2cf4c95ac1059df2ce9e2cdda0c5 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-09-21 (Thu, 21 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Servers SHOULD NOT misuse the CANCELLED state (#770) ----==_mimepart_59c43fd9ec64b_77773fe468087c3051452-- From nobody Thu Sep 21 16:16:21 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC281320D8 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:16:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cLDnF9Ghkaad for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D760C12ECEC for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:16:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=i2nlp/bPYicTEGb+KW6PzjbiQz4=; b=WkXJbMBI/h+l/k3i l3Tm5X1u2kAsjlDw8iNjrIB73U+qY3ZVTEN3Y3BRaYXVycO3x7xcQBRPRHQmbA+u puOCPJrBB2xPVLNL6W7aCkVf35z+8vaGVcdLyKuLU1NIC4/CjMC5eaRQYFbW9CDk mfm2jMc6ctHyWY2DACP9UFWtOcE= Received: by filter0886p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0886p1mdw1-20544-59C4483B-31 2017-09-21 23:16:11.737178282 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0021p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id JVfzbLWnQT2bgKJcMiDD0g for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 23:16:11.685 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 23:16:12 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Is it permitted to send both FIN and RST (#779) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c4483b9ab1e_631f3fcadd424f7c57519"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0L7dT0TUbT6W0cCEOrUpWP1vPea4Zm2EyM8E DkHOnXkXFkF06NyY1Z6ZJ9PhAwBwJnO07eh2/NtqMT0GaYoMfR9l/J+f8xJnPjXnLxsaeUVCecSAr6 rnX1e/h7PgzXkhpssr+QUL0YQDTl1GhU9WnJpHhPftE2tFE7Hh2LilDJPZeWQHPJ6biYj3JSyknFZY U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 23:16:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c4483b9ab1e_631f3fcadd424f7c57519 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop I'm not familiar with QUIC/HTTP protocol details, but http display processing is different from REST API processing where receving a JSON document in a HTTP post operation is likely. Here it is all or nothing. Now, JSON is naturally bracketed so last bracket indicages the end, but you could have an arbitrary line based format where there is no natural end, other than CRLF CRLF or connection close in traditional HTTP bodies (not that this is very reliable). At any rate, it was merely an example, as QUIC can be used for more than HTTP. I.e. the point is, sometimes you need to know if you received all, and FIN is that something. But, since connections can fail, it might not matter much if the stream is RST after FIN, or the connection globally breaks for one reason or another. Thus, API's need other means to ensure transactional integrity regardless (most just hope for the best). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@MikeBi= shop I'm not familiar with QUIC/HTTP protocol details, but http display= processing is different from REST API processing where receving a JSON doc= ument in a HTTP post operation is likely. Here it is all or nothing. Now, J= SON is naturally bracketed so last bracket indicages the end, but you could= have an arbitrary line based format where there is no natural end, other t= han CRLF CRLF or connection close in traditional HTTP bodies (not that this= is very reliable). At any rate, it was merely an example, as QUIC can be u= sed for more than HTTP. I.e. the point is, sometimes you need to know if yo= u received all, and FIN is that something. But, since connections can fail,= it might not matter much if the stream is RST after FIN, or the connection= globally breaks for one reason or another. Thus, API's need other means to= ensure transactional integrity regardless (most just hope for the best).

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= ----==_mimepart_59c4483b9ab1e_631f3fcadd424f7c57519-- From nobody Thu Sep 21 16:34:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4531332D4 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:34:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.018 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.018 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Oz848CRQyeLD for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:34:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A244C132620 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 16:34:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=jWIoswqvsrzXgRMmNO7t/uwWOHE=; b=FLqqryD3aTCy3H1b PW+ALo1MT2BRdBvzaM//GGMl7UD0xdxxIJiDT2p72HVkCGIlveHW9ndQdMc6hhXX y7wLlNf/eZ69ubvysCo8aGEXfi6v8mYxbTRdJm6MLPAkdHjfiiSI80Ltmvjs4nph JHk1vMTLA0llM04EIVHNo6Vp4ZE= Received: by filter0442p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0442p1mdw1-3045-59C44C7D-2C 2017-09-21 23:34:21.891691891 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0001p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id oWSbb87JQye1gvxkUQE0Ow for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2017 23:34:21.900 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 23:34:22 +0000 (UTC) From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Is it permitted to send both FIN and RST (#779) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c44c7dc37c5_7c863f8e8186cf7860737"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3Ctyb9raiiu4UmWa1RBcWqBupRLN/p0jv4oW 6WIum2sktQByJKH+uS0ahYKkaNHcqLo0PfHnW0jwaXtu/mksohlHly8YF8w9tDCHSuHyWgRF2XUgkl j1pvqIBxq5ffggCi4+T8vQG9/JlE6L4ElIUdV79/HtZv5Ofy1Dlpmj5mxZveOPOjZq/gsXlRUAjmU/ U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 23:34:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c44c7dc37c5_7c863f8e8186cf7860737 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Receiving RST after FIN complicates transport to application signalling in the receiver because QUIC cannot optimistically signal that at got FIN at a given offset so, e.g. application can go ahead and reserve resources in anticipation of inbound data. It might be simpler for the sender to send all data except for FIN until it is certain that the data is relevant, or send RST instead. This could lead to extra frames, or not, depending on timing, but if could also make sense to send data ahead of time and withhold FIN for quite a while (say waiting for other operations to succeed), and then an extra frame for FIN makes perfect sense - leading to low overhead finalization for the stream. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/779#issuecomment-331309913 ----==_mimepart_59c44c7dc37c5_7c863f8e8186cf7860737 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Receiving RST after FIN complicates transport to application signalling = in the receiver because QUIC cannot optimistically signal that at got FIN a= t a given offset so, e.g. application can go ahead and reserve resources in= anticipation of inbound data. It might be simpler for the sender to send a= ll data except for FIN until it is certain that the data is relevant, or se= nd RST instead. This could lead to extra frames, or not, depending on timin= g, but if could also make sense to send data ahead of time and withhold FIN= for quite a while (say waiting for other operations to succeed), and then = an extra frame for FIN makes perfect sense - leading to low overhead finali= zation for the stream.

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(#789) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c51ae63ba1_78ed3f84d5e14f801246b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 14:15:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c51ae63ba1_78ed3f84d5e14f801246b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is slightly related to #659. Is it reasonable/acceptable for a server implementation to require that a client always include the connection ID? If so, what exactly should it do if it receives a new connection where the client specified `omit_connection_id` in its transport parameters? Should it drop the connection? Send an error back (if so, what error)? It seems to me that if we want to allow servers to restrict the usage of `omit_connection_id` by the client, we should probably have some mechanism to indicate the client the connection must include the connection ID. One possibility is a new transport parameters that is server specific that indicates connection id is required. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/789 ----==_mimepart_59c51ae63ba1_78ed3f84d5e14f801246b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is slightly related to #659.

Is it reasonable/acceptable for a server implementation to require that a client always include the connection ID? If so, what exactly should it do if it receives a new connection where the client specified omit_connection_id in its transport parameters? Should it drop the connection? Send an error back (if so, what error)?

It seems to me that if we want to allow servers to restrict the usage of omit_connection_id by the client, we should probably have some mechanism to indicate the client the connection must include the connection ID. One possibility is a new transport parameters that is server specific that indicates connection id is required.

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So the omit_connection_id indicates to the remote whether or not they should include connection ID. I thought it was indicating the sender was going to omit them. That makes a bit more sense. Thanks.

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It seems fairly weird to treat conn ids as 64 bit ints because load ba= lancers are going to do bit twiddling on the connection id to either encr= ypt / store state in the connid. I can see the argument of being consiste= nt with other fields, but it still seems like it will cause some strange = bugs if we specify endianness for things that are not actually ints. My p= reference is to specifically treat connid as not an int.

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Since this is simply stating explicitly what is already implicitly said, I am committing this. I am not closing the issue with this PR.

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Hm. I spoke too soon - I don't have any approvals on this PR yet, and I don't want to submit this with approval, so I'll wait for @martinthomson to review this.

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Currently, bytes_in_flight is only reduced in two cases: when the packet is acked, and when DetectLostPackets detects a packet as lost.
This leaves TLPs and RTOs uncovered. Shouldn't be bytes_in_flight reduced in those cases as well?

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There is no RFC for TLP, only this experimental draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe-01, but salient text would be "TLP unifies the loss recovery mechanisms regardless of the position of a loss, so now with TLP a segment loss in the middle of a train as well as at the tail end can now trigger the same fast recovery mechanisms." Traditionally, RTOs declared all packets in flight lost. Because in QUIC there is always an unambiguous larger packet being acked for an RTO, I don't believe it should be necessary to ever declare packets lost when an RTO occurs, but I can imagine there being a problem with a large reordering tolerance combined with the reduction in CWND 'stalling' the connection. Ideally, I'd like to unify TLP and RTO in QUIC and remove the reduction of CWND to min_cwnd(Which BBR already does), but I don't have a proposal for that I'm sufficiently happy with yet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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There is no need to reduce bytes_in_flight for a tail loss probe. There= is no RFC for TLP, only this experimental draft: https://tools.ietf.or= g/html/draft-dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe-01, but salient text would b= e
"TLP unifies the loss recovery mechanisms regardless of the position
of a loss, so now with TLP a segment loss in the middle of a train as
well as at the tail end can now trigger the same fast recovery
mechanisms."

Traditionally, RTOs declared all packets in flight lost. Because in QUI= C there is always an unambiguous larger packet being acked for an RTO, I do= n't believe it should be necessary to ever declare packets lost when an RTO= occurs, but I can imagine there being a problem with a large reordering to= lerance combined with the reduction in CWND 'stalling' the connection.

Ideally, I'd like to unify TLP and RTO in QUIC and remove the reduction = of CWND to min_cwnd(Which BBR already does), but I don't have a proposal fo= r that I'm sufficiently happy with yet.

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boundary="--==_mimepart_59c88a90b2503_db73f96ee4aef8831323"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1+1VYXGIPioAN37mjf7l+MLIznl9zvcF0CDa YXBIeBVwwuf50Tw2+CJdOr9kXEet0oWphZDCxSa8L6jqez+LA2Es1vHFqmVF3qQg/idknaGuxFBVZ3 gehw6omrg2lUEPy37T5YINrwCViXIsHOLNHsO1U1oN7O7Rh65ntxHuXdkZb45Cha0jB3SaMiuIDreT M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 04:48:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c88a90b2503_db73f96ee4aef8831323 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm going to keep harping on about this one: you don't retransmit packets, you don't retransmit frames, you retransmit data. 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I'm going to keep harping on about this one: you don't retransmit packe= ts, you don't retransmit frames, you retransmit data. The acknowledgements= need to be retransmitted, for which you need to use ACK frames and packets= .

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= ----==_mimepart_59c88a90b2503_db73f96ee4aef8831323-- From nobody Sun Sep 24 21:51:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B021323F7 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 21:51:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4aiu8b7eFoou for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 21:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD05F132320 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 21:50:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=8P4jALBLLPciEA/njIO3dclMWlA=; b=PxZC/fop9n/kdH/3 FiRRQ3EnWR/1xgxwJEV9mFUadWYYy++g5M42IOaHFJ9XXOIup4maZ3x6PJW73CS0 RgQ8ANNVF71Kq/ctMzoivG5cPO69gWy6s0v+YiZKo2hJLeCKJTyIKqc7jFEW8svw BZ5VKgNRwCBfwrE14iHKz57KS1Q= Received: by filter0460p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0460p1mdw1-11283-59C88B31-1F 2017-09-25 04:50:57.861330811 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0007p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id zPuNRQPsSZeOjJ8aXdCiOw for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 04:50:57.892 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 04:50:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Guidance for port number use (#495) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c88b31c5d47_26c93f96ee4aef88311f1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2QE3drPTKAqhagMAs5FljZEN363heujLp5/I 12g94t5/vgTbo6zVkNoWKyCcqD7vEGnqrQOhw0+8CSonhjStAzHKP/9IOu73dJ88UE5gkrJngEHKMv U/dhGb0G0X/sBrt6bGeH8HQLL9dWItlPdB/TazKMvHfOkBneXX3/IoHzyMTqhbKIkinBLrW0J9igJZ o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 04:51:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c88b31c5d47_26c93f96ee4aef88311f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TLS 1.3 does not require that SNI be used. HTTP/2 does. We won't be picking up the TLS usage requirements from h2, mainly because TLS 1.3 invalidates virtually all of them. Mandatory SNI is one that we won't get. @igorlord, can you open an issue to track this. I don't think that there was ever any intent to differ from HTTP/2 on this point, but we need to make sure that we don't lose it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/495#issuecomment-331776572 ----==_mimepart_59c88b31c5d47_26c93f96ee4aef88311f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

TLS 1.3 does not require that SNI be used. HTTP/2 does. We won't be pi= cking up the TLS usage requirements from h2, mainly because TLS 1.3 invalid= ates virtually all of them. Mandatory SNI is one that we won't get.

@igorlord= , can you open an issue to track this. I don't think that there was ev= er any intent to differ from HTTP/2 on this point, but we need to make sure= that we don't lose it.

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FWIW, I have been considering splitting STREAM further into discrete typ= es. Not all the combinations of bits make sense; especially as we get to t= he two proposals for unidirectional-ism. I think that splitting the space = of frame types into two easily recognizable groups (stream frames, other fr= ames) is what is being requested here. It need not be a bit, though it mig= ht be right to allocate have the space to stream-related frames.

Seems like a fairly minor improvement either way, though it might allow = us to consolidate the definition of things like stream numbers.

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

I'd leave that first bit alone, unless you can come up with something better. The rest is good.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -670,7 +670,8 @@ field for a 0-RTT packet is selected by the client.
 The client can send 0-RTT packets after having received a packet from the server
 if that packet does not complete the handshake.  Even if the client receives a
 different connection ID from the server, it MUST NOT update the connection ID it
-uses for 0-RTT packets.  This enables consistent routing for all 0-RTT packets.
+uses for 0-RTT packets.  This ensures a predictable origin of connection IDs for
+all 0-RTT packets, see {{connection-id}}.

This phrasing doesn't make sense to me.

The point is that all 0-RTT are labelled with the same connection ID, therefore they (should) end up in the same place.

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@mikkelfj= got it right. This is what we do for TLS 1.3 now. Simple example: we= want to send "GET /favicon.ico", we have a 0-RTT capable ticket. We start= TLS 1.3 and h2 and send the request. If we get a reject, we will mark the= request as needing retry and try again. We throw away all h2 state at tha= t point. The same connection can be used, but all the other intermediate s= tuff goes away. The request is matched to the "new" connection and it star= ts over, even reassessing the protocol. That is, if we get http/1.1 (which= is possible), it works.

That's a bit of a pain to implement correctly, but not too bad if you ge= t the abstractions right. I think that the way we do it (@ddragana can confirm) is= to add the connection back to the connection pool so that it gets picked u= p as though it were a new one.

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It's not "just wrong". The client can send multiple Client Cleartext pa= ckets.

This goes back to an unfinished discussion we were having about includin= g Finished (which has to be unencrypted for the cited reasons) in the same = packet as 1-RTT data. We don't have the Cleartext+Ciphertext packet that w= ould allow that though.

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= ----==_mimepart_59c891aad7fbf_2e83fa0c0880f7c640b0-- From nobody Sun Sep 24 22:20:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD711326FE for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 22:20:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9_PBGZZOeSpB for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 22:20:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C706E132396 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 22:20:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=SzJthOHaERi84yGhM++2rSfnk+U=; b=pkW5CFYh8nBF6LCY eaqV64buDtYlESnP/0yDuwH8H82g8T59+KR1oJ2zA0jRwvRorsqC2BdqgQgOxPtf wAr6U2lCtdHMhtlb2dCCTiC/cI5KqcbAN/rmcwCnlFdTI7JPOACARAp4moGZJYCh F6MrDXeriM7oIWbuWZ/OzWI4UMQ= Received: by filter1132p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1132p1mdw1-13899-59C89232-21 2017-09-25 05:20:50.732307155 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0006p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id YbmjpMzlTBerSStmfiO9tQ for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 05:20:50.991 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 05:20:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify connection ID and version a unsigned numbers (#788) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c89232d3a79_2db33fa48ccbef88381bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0jCCpnRt+6lALRZK0BEwlsUH7ovGePoeIIL4 Blyp2QRa06WDrY/HwpsshSpevE2LZVRra/ALye7CqPY1MsQhBD5kHFF1isjLnXRAAaztSyrtAGYeLN 1VNFhNdLEN/dQ0DXu7PM7s7gYT9Y5fIPT5P3l1u2By8btBuuL3Gq/yrLa98fOAhb1KUD23sqzV1ByW Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 05:20:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c89232d3a79_2db33fa48ccbef88381bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like the number bit for versions. I'm less enthusiastic about the connection ID because we never actually treat it as a number anywhere. That said, this is fine. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/788#issuecomment-331779685 ----==_mimepart_59c89232d3a79_2db33fa48ccbef88381bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I like the number bit for versions. I'm less enthusiastic about the connection ID because we never actually treat it as a number anywhere. That said, this is fine.

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@siyengar, nobody will know if you don't use htonll/ntohll. Feel free to treat connection ID as flat octets, they are your octets to do with as you please.

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

I'd merge this if I wasn't planning to obsolete them immediately with #722.

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2618,6 +2618,11 @@ on new STREAM frames.  Retransmission of data that has already been sent on
 STREAM frames is permitted.  An endpoint MAY also send MAX_STREAM_DATA and
 STOP_SENDING in this state.
 
+An application with a stream in this state may no longer care about data sent on
+the stream and may choose to reset the stream. To permit this behavior, a

s/To permit this behavior, a/A/

Or just replace the first two sentences with "An application can decide to abandon a stream in this state. An endpoint can send RST_STREAM for a stream that was closed with the FIN flag." Keep the final offset piece.

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----==_mimepart_59c893fe12685_27253fbdcf6a8f84154fa-- From nobody Sun Sep 24 23:41:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE7D126B6D for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 23:41:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xzr1F5wS2yZT for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 23:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 025AB12426E for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2017 23:41:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Y7hJL6F8/Q0Sdv70m2ef6WOc2CA=; b=CEue6NwUDxo1Aehg GkiXmvicYGylVu3rVSv6NbthMesUOc7hSrdmqVE9Sr26WARn/qU2uf6wGxE+ByM1 oD77udgNx+RkwyxtqeoI7MOkP4W8BEIHP1XU0fhfDvAeTCBr3G3Yqe7P/sKfnXOs wzkqkVlzy2lDtsgY2CR5BV8VPBk= Received: by filter0634p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0634p1mdw1-28060-59C8A522-3 2017-09-25 06:41:38.096004954 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id _78zh7aGQD2cMPWHo-v3nA for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:41:38.050 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:41:38 +0000 (UTC) From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Can Finished be sent as 1-RTT data? (#785) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c8a521eecbf_2e34c3fdfa8a9cf787619b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0//srWDqs21gQA7aZiVWB9K5g2ai86AVMXJn 47pk1LXlB35LOvgd+tTTlF0eRCKz8MBDRqviKR+TQSvMC1jVlrVQu4ZoMZxuj3fOnKT+HwozDWYC1Z CSvuOJd3u+e0X/kcNb0icr2iaHZ5lx6nBaDZ3ICAQauikQdkhaFyyGvPYw== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 06:41:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c8a521eecbf_2e34c3fdfa8a9cf787619b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The text I think is wrong is "This enables immediate server processing for those packets." What is that supposed to mean? As you note above, the packets currently have to only contain Finished, so there's nothing to immediately process -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/785#issuecomment-331790345 ----==_mimepart_59c8a521eecbf_2e34c3fdfa8a9cf787619b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The text I think is wrong is "This enables immediate server processing f= or those packets." What is that supposed to mean? As you note above, the pa= ckets currently have to only contain Finished, so there's nothing to immedi= ately process

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The client has odd streams and the server even, so what happens if the client sends frame data on stream 2 before the server has opened it?

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OK, I agree with that. Maybe we can get back to talking about putting encrypted data in the same packet again so that it can be made correct.

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There are two different issues. One is a problem of efficiency, carrying= Finished (or a copy) in the same UDP packet as the first application data = frames. The other is an issue of DOS resilience, knowing when to start just= ignoring any non encrypted packets.

We could probably solve the efficiency issue by creating a new packet ty= pe, "clear text followed by encrypted data". I am also interested with the = issue of closing the DOS opening.

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= ----==_mimepart_59c8bb6cbe57_24cb33fbcd2d1cf80690fc-- From nobody Mon Sep 25 02:56:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EEF4133226 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 02:56:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id riMwK-TmRY43 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 02:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6555C132EC4 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 02:56:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=S786uyl7BmgwDgbCnYoVSaQv4G4=; b=HZbO2JKkSTP28Zoq xQt8X0rZz0mutmukyTJTSbusVJLb96LtRmHL+A7/EUSYO+ih+anhyHzyd8aLL69O IOwspgY4ELhAB1dr3ed0evD0MSaxbzowyRx6eiuh6udB2Vso/0AUy+DtD2NRiM9N AFDOruRxqBwr+WyzMgfvmttdF0I= Received: by filter0970p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0970p1mdw1-1533-59C8D2C6-28 2017-09-25 09:56:22.595422795 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0005p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id eOwg3fMhT0GUj_oij0qRrQ for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:56:22.762 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:56:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Can Finished be sent as 1-RTT data? (#785) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c8d2c6693a5_4be03f86e2324f802376a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1O/CTAMHNW4MTy3wXwTsIxTIiSvwzJR21OZD usXFnEL31bpy1qRF1F5oh10LtfKMfk73iprdKcm+SFtsvKkgYV6CQXslMvQKtnfqZoFocLVAEPoY45 Z2N//+CKg60kWv0KbZnKHcJgPu8R9VeVsQ5mBHvNALWAbYt/BZh+o7TAMVuSGZoKh4snPYG9kZWZvM U= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 09:56:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c8d2c6693a5_4be03f86e2324f802376a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that we would change the cleartext packet types instead. Fewer moving parts that way. As for the DOS opening, I get it. You have shared keys now, but you aren't using them, at least to the extent that they are visible at the QUIC layer. I think that more special rules might help here. I hate special rules though. As you say, there are two issues here. Unfortunately, this particular issue is neither and probably should be closed. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/785#issuecomment-331834054 ----==_mimepart_59c8d2c6693a5_4be03f86e2324f802376a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think that we would change the cleartext packet types instead. Fewer = moving parts that way.

As for the DOS opening, I get it. You have shared keys now, but you are= n't using them, at least to the extent that they are visible at the QUIC la= yer. I think that more special rules might help here. I hate special rule= s though.

As you say, there are two issues here. Unfortunately, this particular i= ssue is neither and probably should be closed.

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To clarify, by the word acknowledgement, you mean "The information tha= t a packet has been received."? If so, then yes, but I don't think that'= s what most people think of when you say that, even though it is reasonab= le.

There are three possible definitions for acknowledgement:

  1. A packet only containing and ack(This is most analogous to TCP, so I = suspect is a common one)
  2. An ack frame
  3. Information that a packet has been received.

If we want to use acknowledgement to mean the third, we should be real= ly clear about it.

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10.1.
<https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc= .section.10.1>
Stream
Identifiers
<https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#str= eam-id>

Streams are identified by an unsigned 32-bit integer, referred to as the
Stream ID. To avoid Stream ID collision, clients initiate streams using
odd-numbered Stream IDs; streams initiated by the server use even-numbered<= br> Stream IDs.

*10.2*

In the absence of more specific guidance elsewhere in this document,
implementations SHOULD treat the receipt of a frame that is not expressly permitted in the description of a state as a connection error (see Section<= br> 12
<https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#err= or-handling>
).
12.
<https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc= .section.12>
Error
Handling
<https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#err= or-handling>

An endpoint that detects an error SHOULD signal the existence of that error=
to its peer. Errors can affect an entire connection (see Section 12.1
<https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#con= nection-errors>),
or a single stream (see Section 12.2
<https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#str= eam-errors>
).

The most appropriate error code (Section 12.3
<https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#err= or-codes>)
SHOULD be included in the frame that signals the error. Where this
specification identifies error conditions, it also identifies the error
code that is used.

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I think I hear you saying that QUIC doesn't currently require SNI. Bu= t
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Yes, I think that the most abstract (3) is the right answer here. We can explicitly talk about ACK frames, or packets containing only ACK frames (and PADDING) as necessary.

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----==_mimepart_59c97725d9cac_50713fa6552c8f7c657b4-- From nobody Mon Sep 25 14:45:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84AE51345C1 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 14:45:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c3tR-J8SeKOw for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 14:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11DBF1345BE for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 14:45:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=yBD38vRiQaGcMCr8QkZIDuY4gb4=; b=EdLoE7BiQkRjEGYW H4iZRNY2I+oblmtHIawQNdr//XlI3xSoz29o81zWpj87jJ5HeUv+5RlmHXI1fKGH Tv14HJiKj7nh8YXu2waE2kGcoy9qQW1Ulxra5aAhQx+I/0fqij8cT+MWzKdSD1I2 upO5t1oXjaowQ8EPxIAN/n7rojI= Received: by filter0182p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0182p1las1-721-59C978E9-30 2017-09-25 21:45:13.764243644 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id -RBjd2v3RxqsB0ig1-qrzg for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 21:45:13.610 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 21:45:13 +0000 (UTC) From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK-only "frames" (#763) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c978e973fcc_68fe3fe66b374f888542c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0Mh5b1Cdf7ePALrQtleaRv7aU9yzp4j0acnM tXzu0DlVrXUmATSzhQuYOAAKKoCIUEVVheHo41WxhrakwdVmkaUBIkP+kpyFEe1UZ1EBH0Cb0sltbw G7CoTDWzCZZ1FEVrWpikUS9snE/8jcW863x7OJ4tgH5NsAROSuAEE/Ew6Q== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 21:45:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c978e973fcc_68fe3fe66b374f888542c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But, as Ian said, you should probably also not use the word 'retransmit' here. If you detect that an ack frame was lost, you should make sure that (in a reasonable amount of time) a new ack frame is send that contains at least the information that the lost ack frame was carrying and maybe even have newer information as well. In some cases you may have already send another ack frame that also contains this information in the mean time and you potentially do have to do anything. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/763#issuecomment-332022965 ----==_mimepart_59c978e973fcc_68fe3fe66b374f888542c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

But, as Ian said, you should probably also not use the word 'retransmit'= here. If you detect that an ack frame was lost, you should make sure that = (in a reasonable amount of time) a new ack frame is send that contains at l= east the information that the lost ack frame was carrying and maybe even ha= ve newer information as well. In some cases you may have already send anoth= er ack frame that also contains this information in the mean time and you p= otentially do have to do anything.

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Merged #793.

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The only reason it doesn't is because we haven't written it down. I believe that the intent is to require SNI.

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Per @martinthomson in #495, SNI is currently not required to be used in QUIC, while it is required to be used in HTTP/2. TLS 1.3 requires SNI to be implemented but apparently does not require it be to used.

This is a proposal to require SNI for QUIC.

The main reason for this is the scarcity of IPv4 addresses. As long as something is not required, someone will not implement it. As long as there are enough clients that do not use SNI, virtual service providers will continue to require a large number of IPv4 addresses. Since IPv4 address conservation is currently a high priority for the Internet, QUIC should strongly encourage (or, better, require) technologies that further this conservation goal.

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T= LS > 1.3 requires SNI to be implemented but apparently does not require it be = to > used. > > This is a proposal to require SNI for QUIC. > > The main reason for this is the scarcity of IPv4 addresses. As long as > something is not required, someone will not implement it. As long as there > are enough clients that do not use SNI, virtual service providers will > continue to require a large number of IPv4 addresses. Since IPv4 address > conservation is currently a high priority for the Internet, QUIC should > strongly encourage (or, better, require) technologies that further this > conservation goal. > > Nit: I believe you mean to require SNI, not SIN, though no doubt we'll get the latter some way or another. Substantive: I believe that if we require SNI, we require some method of preserving the privacy of that SNI. I'm not sure that the TLS in TLS tunneling solution for encrypted SNI that https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption-00 puts forward is as neat in the QUIC case. If the fronting server isn't a QUIC service but is purely a TLS-in-TLS tunneling proxy, then it probably works as described. But if it is both a QUIC service and fronting for other QUIC-in-TLS-in-TLS services, then I think we need to carefully work through how the second aspects fits in with other QUIC assumptions about where the transport/application boundary fits. I think the dual service is something that we need to consider for some of the same reasons set out in sni-encyption-00 regarding replay attacks: if at attacker connecting to a fronting service doesn't connect to a hidden service behind it and thus gets a "blank service", it will make the server stand out as a fronting server. To avoid that, I suspect folks would like to present servers that are both fronting services and servers for an existing application protocol. > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/794#issuecomment-332036205= ----==_mimepart_59c9883ff192_6d93fb072b0af8810933d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Igor Lubashev <notifications@github.com= >
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> Per @martinthomson <https://github.com/martinthomson> in #495
> <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/495>, SNI is curre= ntly not
> required to be used in QUIC, while it is required to be used in HTTP/2= . TLS
> 1.3 requires SNI to be implemented but apparently does not require it = be to
> used.
>
> This is a proposal to require SNI for QUIC.
>
> The main reason for this is the scarcity of IPv4 addresses. As long as=
> something is not required, someone will not implement it. As long as t= here
> are enough clients that do not use SNI, virtual service providers will=
> continue to require a large number of IPv4 addresses. Since IPv4 addre= ss
> conservation is currently a high priority for the Internet, QUIC shoul= d
> strongly encourage (or, better, require) technologies that further thi= s
> conservation goal.
>
> Nit: I believe you mean to require SNI, not SIN, though no doubt we&#= 39;ll
get the latter some way or another.

Substantive: I believe that if we require SNI, we require some method of preserving the privacy of that SNI.

I'm not sure that the TLS in TLS tunneling solution for encrypted SNI t= hat
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-tls-sni-encryption-00 puts forward is as neat in the QUIC case. If the fronting server isn't a QUIC servi= ce
but is purely a TLS-in-TLS tunneling proxy, then it probably works as
described. But if it is both a QUIC service and fronting for other
QUIC-in-TLS-in-TLS services, then I think we need to carefully work
through how the second aspects fits in with other QUIC assumptions about where the transport/application boundary fits.

I think the dual service is something that we need to consider for some of<= br> the same reasons set out in sni-encyption-00 regarding replay attacks: if at attacker connecting to a fronting service doesn't connect to a hidde= n
service behind it and thus gets a "blank service", it will make t= he server
stand out as a fronting server. To avoid that, I suspect folks would like<= br> to present servers that are both fronting services and servers for an
existing application protocol.






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The other is an issue of DOS resilience, knowing when to start just ignoring any non encrypted packets.

Can you start ignoring Clear Text packets, when you have successfully received client's Finished?

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----==_mimepart_59c98fd61e0a7_573b3f8cc734ef84570c6-- From nobody Mon Sep 25 16:42:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC938134601 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 16:42:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ME8-I4AiXWRO for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 16:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB41C1345FF for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 16:42:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=P7Ovb2s8Y5wZ/bl4frgLdI3OlZM=; b=wF2Yt9N6noZSmHN/ bQHmk1oYoUqZrYRiyNv1lpeQYwfBLQRWMFROXnS0A5g7U8cnsJ+sVm4iIZXPY8Cl iNJ15NLSLOBSP7IbRry2fR9l5dciSO1ajGCbvvNRhwr4d8tYExmQe1a1A0X5VwHS OG2NO2oXNGxslxpDl5MtZ1l2WUg= Received: by filter0443p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0443p1mdw1-3705-59C99439-3 2017-09-25 23:41:45.028961867 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0007p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 20nOenBkQiWYrjcUxioq4Q for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 23:41:44.801 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 23:41:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] SIN requirement (#794) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c99438e597f_71033feea0d16f7c501c1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3ed5m7ptoBsWW9/eR+p6Z4SSs+wurwM3Crhx Kwi5C79giWx4dY4askC117mVYKduUCAnDv5e4LsUwefSViekTYAzR/T0oyutUB8NuJIC38KyimxjIh qoAdfEDOWWHaqzR5aFHtAM3uc7xExAjbtu6VV0sxFknLkHcGVsE54LXZFAzm4rl3H4Ed5cx/F2R+YC Y= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 23:42:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c99438e597f_71033feea0d16f7c501c1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @hardie is correct in that QUIC makes TLS-in-TLS more difficult. Though that is not the only alternative available. It is not impossible to do TLS-in-TLS, but it would require some non-trivial effort. But I think that we should first address the meta-comment. Do we want to change the character of QUIC such that it can/MUST support SNI encryption? That's a different question to the one that I think @igorlord had, which is probably just "should HTTP over QUIC require SNI?" The answer to each might be different. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/794#issuecomment-332044373 ----==_mimepart_59c99438e597f_71033feea0d16f7c501c1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@hardie= is correct in that QUIC makes TLS-in-TLS more difficult. Though that is n= ot the only alternative available. It is not impossible to do TLS-in-TLS, = but it would require some non-trivial effort.

But I think that we should first address the meta-comment. Do we want t= o change the character of QUIC such that it can/MUST support SNI encryption= ? That's a different question to the one that I think @igorlord had, which is prob= ably just "should HTTP over QUIC require SNI?" The answer to each might be= different.

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In #794, @hardie observed that the current draft for SNI encryption proposes solutions that are - at best - a poor fit for the current QUIC design. Do we want to address this problem in the design?

Fixing the problem early might avoid foreclosing on potential solutions in the future. It's also possible that we could take advantage of the fact that we don't really have a whole bunch of deployment assumptions that we have to work around.

On the other hand, it might also be really, really hard. It's not like we haven't already tried to find a solution for TLS over TCP.

FWIW, I don't think that we get to resolve #794 until we have at least had a discussion about this issue.

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@igorlo= rd, I think that @huitema is more concerned about the time between when the = server sends its Finished and when it receives the client Finished. At t= his time, the server and client share keys and could authenticate all pac= kets, but the connection is still vulnerable to denial of service until t= he server receives the client Finished.

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Nit: I believe you mean to require SNI, not SIN,

Thanks, fixed. (There are plenty SINs already; no need for requiring a = new one.)

SNI privacy

SNI privacy looks like a TLS extension, and it could be developed separa= tely from QUIC. @martinthomson has had enough wisdom to open #795 to make sure we at least discuss = the topic.

A solution along the lines of tls-sni-encryption-00 would certainly bene= fit from a 1-RTT encrypted Finished (as is suggested in #785), since Finished could include bits= to trigger "chained SNI" and TLS-in TLS negotiation. It would be a nice s= olution, since it would allow server side of the application to be relative= ly oblivious to the TLS tunneling that is going on.

An application-specific implementation, where the client talks first, co= uld provide an application-specific way to trigger SNI chaining and TLS-in-= TLS negotiation.

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= ----==_mimepart_59c99e289910d_54303fa5b70aef7839422-- From nobody Mon Sep 25 17:35:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B1313462C for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:35:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.615 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZhfooBfQ-taM for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o9.sgmail.github.com (o9.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84DC813462B for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2017 17:35:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=tqTvkA+tE+xKzfWw3oT+PGhnRDA=; b=TpSieVNdwUstUF0P 3JC2LTmzhHlQ9MExpf7gUPtXKpjbey4OttdWijUIDn+7WJnwDYXpfj11+15YyGy8 e7IXw1D4f61Adn/P77l0w8BqdtnsJycjlDDNxxRPMBDcEAB+zklJlT7ay9tBZVDU OAcEPuFmYQL3QcfltoHm+SGPgDE= Received: by filter1138p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1138p1mdw1-8472-59C9A0E7-3D 2017-09-26 00:35:51.913875258 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id vXOYJUXWTnql4aWyA7mNrQ for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 00:35:51.856 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 00:35:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] SNI requirement for HTTP/QUIC (#794) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c9a0e7b7c5c_3d493fed7d998f7c4485b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2UWLh7VWeUGtyB6wle8RvigXSINm3cJFDkVx pXV1AqFMkDXoPiJLnMSZhiroM98MEMYQMLFuw5YAo9wIlILGkimuwb3De7QVjoKSy3TG4zxufo68Bq yAAuO07skWmGjGOTTJkOX7h7AMqUQTRXZXbil080xhclDAvgjDVjRL+81p1TOgAxtnVgimrxxmslCk 4= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 00:35:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c9a0e7b7c5c_3d493fed7d998f7c4485b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > "should HTTP over QUIC require SNI?" This is a fine first question to answer, and I am happy to change this issue to address this specifically. I think a generic question of whether a client is required to identify whose TLS certificate it is looking for, regardless of the app, is also interesting to settle. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/794#issuecomment-332051830 ----==_mimepart_59c9a0e7b7c5c_3d493fed7d998f7c4485b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

"should HTTP over QUIC require SNI?"

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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1506388016; bh=WGivUNT6rwUyNvYna3niVyf1TKl0qu2cbOOZbqSJ1/E=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iq/ljg0Ec8FBXAmbAL1nrRA9eGDAC6MFi16Agzy6DriCB3oF7ZrBxWwp81fFkvhHj Y3XXCsQMDAP5QL/OnBVzHOgCnVw5bAVNbYjFIdH8XPdB3BBA76rjkyP6vBYM92EXB1 u7G09rXKd3lphlriD+fp0z22jCaDWiER2CN7keuQ= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Can Finished be sent as 1-RTT data? (#785) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59c9a830153d9_417a3f814fc46f84118c0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 01:06:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59c9a830153d9_417a3f814fc46f84118c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson, I think I get this concern. However, in the 3rd comment, @huitema suggests a scenario of a DoS that would not be a DoS, if the server were to ignore all Clear Text packets after receiving Client's valid Finished message. Until the server receives Client's valid Finished message, the usual DoS concerns regarding packet injection apply. There may be other reasons to make client's Finished encrypted after the receipt of server's Finished, but this DoS scenario is probably not it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/785#issuecomment-332056187 ----==_mimepart_59c9a830153d9_417a3f814fc46f84118c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@m= artinthomson, I think I get this concern. However, in the 3rd comment= , @huitema<= /a> suggests a scenario of a DoS that would not be a DoS, if the server w= ere to ignore all Clear Text packets after receiving Client's valid Finis= hed message. Until the server receives Client's valid Finished message, = the usual DoS concerns regarding packet injection apply.

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In writing up the unidirectional stream proposal, I concluded that this was still a valuable restriction to have.

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The lifetime of a connection and the amount of data that can be transferred thereon are limited because the packet numbers, connection byte offsets, and stream byte offsets all have maximum values. The draft should address the reason(s) why there are maximum values at all.

I raised this issue on the mailing list twice, but received no answers:

https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/quic/current/msg02144.html
https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/quic/current/msg02251.html

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The same reason it is valuable now, but more so. The strict ordering = restriction ensures that you can cheaply and reliably determine whether a= stream is idle, open, or closed. Open streams need a bunch of state. I= f that state exists, the stream is open. Idle streams are those that don= 't have state and have higher numbers than all open streams. Closed stre= ams are those that don't have state and have a lower number than any open= stream.

Also, the only reason that you might want to open out of order is if y= ou attached some sort of semantic to the stream ID. I think doing that i= s a mistake.

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We already require the server to ignore cleartext packets once it has 1-RTT keys. We could be more precise about when that comes into force.

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Could this "sequential" wording be made more precise? Is it OK to open stream 100, then 200, then 400, or should it be 100, 102, 104, ...

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It matters because you have a period where you still accept stream frames before considering them an error - and if there are holes in the stream range it might confuse the logic determing this.

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----==_mimepart_59ca17fca7028_21ad63f93ae1faf78583cb-- From nobody Tue Sep 26 04:42:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBAA5132195 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 04:42:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.615 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ib4O7rjsqXbb for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 04:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext8.iad.github.net [192.30.252.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 404A0120720 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 04:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 04:42:43 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1506426163; bh=rr3XKeDA2ZwjPes1i9CKdydJZgQn1xsiTd5WJZ8xnos=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Y4xa9qp+Dd2VCGTcQnpEps3WcEwx5uyM9m8rsM2Q5pFhLdDg6m5GytAI+PYX1ZNaJ c1mBSFMz830b0LEgHEQaftoVPNt1/SUmAAhaxWGecwFa08XCEnAGxlYUA0cgO040My bacR1L4NtgbP1TACLssX2MY/Q13O2VN7R2yvRcEE= From: Julian Reschke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] reference format (#798) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59ca3d336da62_2ae3fc9f9cc8f78639d6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: reschke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 11:42:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59ca3d336da62_2ae3fc9f9cc8f78639d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/798 -- Commit Summary -- * reference format -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/798.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/798.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/798 ----==_mimepart_59ca3d336da62_2ae3fc9f9cc8f78639d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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That is incorrect: the question Why is connection lifetime limited? has not been answered.

I do have a specific change in mind: take the answer to the question above and put it into the draft.

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The strict ordering restriction ensures that you can cheaply and reliabl= y determine whether a stream is idle, open, or closed.

I do not see how that is possible. Here is an example: server receives = a request that opens stream 11, yet the largest peer-initiated stream it kn= ows about is 7. Does it mean that a) client skipped stream 9 -- and thus = is in violation of protocol -- or b) previous packet got lost?

Also, the only reason that you might want to open out of order is if you= attached some sort of semantic to the stream ID.

Not necessarily. One can imagine a scenario in which a multi-threaded p= rogram keeps a pool of stream IDs that could be opened and distributes thes= e IDs among threads. The threads perform some preliminary work -- streams = are opened in the same order that these threads complete.

There are probably other reasons why an implementation may want to be ab= le to control the order in which streams are created.

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= ----==_mimepart_59ca42f668768_75863fe355a8af84711f7-- From nobody Tue Sep 26 06:10:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4942133055 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 06:10:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EXMSikGyA-8H for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 06:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o7.sgmail.github.com (o7.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2187912426E for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 06:10:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=pFd6kWLxsfQma2KYLNmyonP/bag=; b=q1QXwL3FlVqjXHPi LgyudO5Iatx9YO3bxFlSJNJWYSLgZzqy2HzEphkGLRJoYgzes3GGMp5nKs0rSK1R gfd2QUljobYGTYG7Ki5/Fxs4sZdKUrwKEhtiikwJpkLpyxdUB5awrQc9rkpQIWtU LkG0HVLViHh5Wl7OnIXDKBV26g0= Received: by filter0442p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0442p1mdw1-3045-59CA51A8-5E 2017-09-26 13:10:00.69572308 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0017p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id NvwmB8MNTDSafD4W02u9Lw for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:10:00.692 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:10:02 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream creation order (#634) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59ca51a890200_ebe3fe9e7c30f8086256"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1jjHOykI+3prJVX7EFEeKxhxgCXPjVkiHUpb BYxxYD5fqj6wUuxTMxlO9Bvbc/kjLlrlDoN7ddhpFKgCL76ZmvR6yKfMNGPh1pkKnVgdZ+o2adZ/B9 9hXfj12Km7C+M72Yy9PPTYF5US9Fl6nDnWfL6c/TIUeZeSGuozEa8i4aNUeMrKx7//eaXyYnACz6Vq o= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:10:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59ca51a890200_ebe3fe9e7c30f8086256 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would agree that this is still valuable. Unless there is an extremely compelling reason to remove the restriction(which I don't believe we have), we should keep it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/634#issuecomment-332192861 ----==_mimepart_59ca51a890200_ebe3fe9e7c30f8086256 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I would agree that this is still valuable. Unless there is an extremely compelling reason to remove the restriction(which I don't believe we have), we should keep it.

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Yes, 'retransmit' has some pretty strong associations from TCP, so we should probably avoid using it whenever possible. Resend might be an alternate option?

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The answer was: because those various numbers have maximums. That is in the draft.

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----==_mimepart_59cb756238828_2de63fa18030ef8829261-- From nobody Wed Sep 27 03:00:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5573134943 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 03:00:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.402 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vIG8QAteizPW for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 03:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o1.sgmail.github.com (o1.sgmail.github.com [192.254.114.176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62E0713494B for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 03:00:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=cB7QwpjUf/fFI5KOR5GL/Ltq4is=; b=GrWkxYwufwK4hBu/ kwJtVnkTnggvS/QonouUQybkPTbzT3bHlbiUa6jfnQ0FttHrkwSBoiPEZl14K+Fx IPTobd4PKRoJoVKQ22zKoWsVH2ZnlsNzD1UlNm9NNdkD6wI4FeN19GVtYge074xy dyO6rlKAI8p/dEtwfvHO25puRYk= Received: by filter0590p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0590p1mdw1-29813-59CB76A2-3 2017-09-27 10:00:02.172209773 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0004p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id WE9z2UZpT0Ca-KboVHCphg for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:00:02.127 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:00:03 +0000 (UTC) From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Explain reason for having connection limits (#796) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59cb76a29eb3_4ef3ff209d6ef80545dc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak0vRLPC7UNDrCWxIhEdDSxG4/en5UEa3QVuOR X/Ce0xKa408xiQvSIxbeE45+jt+7yb/idEKoO+3m4YxHN1rt3xH29r9u2MMU7+vh9AHM/ZieFUihGi uguFDSk6Xq/4r+12CoB80oNIto2TPNYvlMO/fqTYGdcV+G0Gd01IqfGNMpXE7RVOLwfRAC4HgCDOY1 E= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:00:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59cb76a29eb3_4ef3ff209d6ef80545dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The answer was: because those various numbers have maximums. That is in the draft. @martinthomson, the fact that a number representation has a maximum not cause TCP to abort a connection after 2^32 bytes have been sent. I think the reason must be something else. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/796#issuecomment-332472595 ----==_mimepart_59cb76a29eb3_4ef3ff209d6ef80545dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The answer was: because those various numbers have maximums. That is in = the draft.

@mar= tinthomson, the fact that a number representation has a maximum not cau= se TCP to abort a connection after 2^32 bytes have been sent. I think the = reason must be something else.

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@mikkel= fj, I agree with your analysis. (For my money, a 64-bit number is pr= actically unbounded as well.) What I am proposing is that this verbiage = or something to that effect -- practical considerations... blah-blah-= blah -- be put into the draft.

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= ----==_mimepart_59cb77379b24e_5ba43fe6a8ab6f8419965-- From nobody Wed Sep 27 06:56:08 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3622313330C for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 06:56:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CMy2UtpXpG20 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 06:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o5.sgmail.github.com (o5.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CFC5134BAA for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 06:56:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=shitgPDnex9rITDl310YQ+sDSVE=; b=kRmyjV5LvX7N5VxV fT/LJnWOZ5xOEVoScLMISRHOT1TaMc67FHzZApXFOUOvlPmmJoRmPisIK8HebfJd XhoUv0cZMb3cVTUZ50iLw2S5RM/hgbaCx/cQ9szZ8R691TleLSKrQv40wJPhZc++ 2VTwijkkjR4Eo4/gZ+wfFbPf9HI= Received: by filter0841p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0841p1mdw1-20050-59CBADD5-9B 2017-09-27 13:55:33.887207597 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0001p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id qK14IU8yRwyLul9pXkt_gw for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 13:55:33.983 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 13:55:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Explain reason for having connection limits (#796) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59cbadd5d6d21_6fee3f996531ef28927d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3O+Lx/nL88IVKgp3STv0gQ2U4MGuChM8bZ4j KSYy6GvmDSYqGrA8Hna13iq2T7LsuODTbzBrIr4UTAFvAbxaBrGRt6b7F3dlT+EclZO/ofkSqGPAFg KwDqpEtm3R/RxDdQYn7aAR5pQh05mwpwkrsji5T38gDwUrDN7MPByqVk5fZywP5Xxk46fYcOVJHZL6 A= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 13:56:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59cbadd5d6d21_6fee3f996531ef28927d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How 'bout sending out a PR. On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 3:02 AM, Dmitri Tikhonov wrote: > @mikkelfj , I agree with your analysis. (For > my money, a 64-bit number is practically unbounded as well.) What I am > proposing is that this verbiage or something to that effect -- *practical > considerations... blah-blah-blah* -- be put into the draft. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/796#issuecomment-332528840= ----==_mimepart_59cbadd5d6d21_6fee3f996531ef28927d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How 'bout sending out a PR.

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> @mikkelfj <https://github.com/mikkelfj>, I agree with your analy= sis. (For
> my money, a 64-bit number is practically unbounded as well.) What I am=
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> considerations... blah-blah-blah* -- be put into the draft.
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I'm hearing the argument for keeping this restriction, which is that = it allows for a simpler implementation. It doesn't break the protocol= if the sender doesn't open streams sequentially. Together, these see= m to suggest that we should keep this restriction, but make it a SHOULD f= rom a MUST.

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@janaiyengar, @mikkelfj -- could you please elaborate on the simplification part?

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I think I can partially explain it. Each stream for which you're tracki= ng state consumes some memory. You can elide out large contiguous chunks b= y saying that:

  • Lowest idle stream ID is X
  • Of streams < X, any stream not in my state table is closed
  • Table contains any idle or open streams < X

If an implementation is implementing tracking in this way, the arrival o= f stream 200 when X=3D100 means inserting 100,102,...,198 into the table as= idle, then 200 as open. By mandating that they be used in order, even if = reordering occurs, you are less likely to do large chunks of this work at a= time (you might get 108 when X=3D100, but not 200) and if you do = have to do a large chunk of work the work is still timely because you know = all those streams have data in-flight so you would have been doing the work= in a few packets anyway.

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----==_mimepart_59cc29f64f997_4c313fec98db0f2893871-- From nobody Wed Sep 27 16:00:38 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E688135170 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 16:00:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.019 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.019 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TaLFLyjodcuy for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 16:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o4.sgmail.github.com (o4.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93AEA1344A9 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 16:00:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=+SQfwsygDcqkKs9TaTSHoh+GEWU=; b=V7WlINGL5cq1MXc5 xVXwqfMQTg4r+5qp232MyZ5rtqxQIiC4xTLXSoLc/NAn0IAYrLh7q3H2yUVWf+Pt wEn7YWZUdRuaTQDgdLjvy/3rZ9mC4BZXQy2b6mbprRWmFOLdLqMnJDYM5Mw7y+RS 3yIuLzdkY1om9fIeaJpSE+lclS8= Received: by filter0943p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0943p1mdw1-1150-59CC2D90-25 2017-09-27 23:00:32.621537966 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.17]) by ismtpd0007p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id tvkOAY7cSTif3H3YaDhqkA for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:00:32.578 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:00:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why is the crypto stream not subject to connection flow control (#800) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59cc2d9054717_1b80d3fa219324f38535c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak1/fDQ06LhYGPHPcIGFLju46dphRk+v6Th1xj pKuwXjjXicEoLLODQbY4KznlpbW7Sr0/MgXTVGhcaASsnucqPy0OcDjte9FTaQHE1ufuAeuZau6wOG nhuNfFp+ntvJshoBTagYyKcDEwIZdQEcup1fXmWjRJ/j+lEC/4V295BH4ZJC5XZprL7zj5KFdCB4Au w= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:00:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59cc2d9054717_1b80d3fa219324f38535c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem is early data and the handshake. It is possible that early data will exhaust the connection flow control window. I fact, that's a feature: we use the connection flow control window to limit the amount of early data, just as there is an early data limit in TLS. If that happens, there is no room to send the client Finished (and Certificate[Verify]). That would block handshake completion, which is bad. Also, the server doesn't really have a good way to send authenticated MAX_DATA frames to the client at this point, so it doesn't easily resolve itself. Yeah, it's a real pain. Stream 0 is too special for my liking also. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/800#issuecomment-332679382 ----==_mimepart_59cc2d9054717_1b80d3fa219324f38535c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The problem is early data and the handshake. It is possible that early = data will exhaust the connection flow control window. I fact, that's a fea= ture: we use the connection flow control window to limit the amount of earl= y data, just as there is an early data limit in TLS. If that happens, ther= e is no room to send the client Finished (and Certificate[Verify]). That w= ould block handshake completion, which is bad. Also, the server doesn't re= ally have a good way to send authenticated MAX_DATA frames to the client at= this point, so it doesn't easily resolve itself.

Yeah, it's a real pain. Stream 0 is too special for my liking also.

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Closed #800.

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TLP is not a loss, so you wouldn't reduce bytes in flight. It's very tempting to treat TLP as a loss and we had a bug as a result of this, but don't :)

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ya that sounds reasonable, I realized that this might be a reason just after posting :)

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You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/801 -- Commit Summary -- * Added text to overview * TLP text added * More changes * finished RTO and HTO text -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (240) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/801.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/801.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/801 ----==_mimepart_59cc34446d0d8_4403ff787874f38106510 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This isn't perfect, but I'd like to commit soon and iterate.

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  • Added text to overview
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  • finished RTO and HTO text

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar, #759 actually depends on this, so merging that first would be hard. Though we could wait until we agree on that, it seems like we're not going to agree without some discussion. In the meantime, I've looked at the text around STOP_SENDING and I think that I have addressed your concerns. Actually, the rebase for this seems to have picked up other changes that did most of the work. The most recent commit just shuffles things around slightly and makes a few editorial corrections. I think that this is ready, but am happy to defer until Monday to discuss if you have any lingering reservations. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/722#issuecomment-332700067 ----==_mimepart_59cc4ec95b030_417c3f999a4e0f349281b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@jan= aiyengar, #759<= /a> actually depends on this, so merging that first would be hard. Thoug= h we could wait until we agree on that, it seems like we're not going to = agree without some discussion.

In the meantime, I've looked at the text around STOP_SENDING and I thi= nk that I have addressed your concerns. Actually, the rebase for this se= ems to have picked up other changes that did most of the work. The most = recent commit just shuffles things around slightly and makes a few editor= ial corrections.

I think that this is ready, but am happy to defer until Monday to disc= uss if you have any lingering reservations.

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= ----==_mimepart_59cc4ec95b030_417c3f999a4e0f349281b-- From nobody Wed Sep 27 18:46:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D784135236 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:46:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com; domainkeys=pass (1024-bit key) header.sender=martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DGHCyFXOhyhD for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m71-131.mailgun.net (m71-131.mailgun.net [166.78.71.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAB2A134925 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:46:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1506563169; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=xKi/GF2KB3KyawLhiQpe8c8UHrom2lRrrqQMOW1EjGM=; b=nCu3ZzUKIMYqYl2AQwRDFkHZiQr8brlAZfTWKz8NGBnQ6a16WL6VINZiyhr2Y4wgKKcHiSw+ DyrfU0jlOpANMQWAJGkY7+eBlCDY/D3XrZ/fBVsAPr0nHyKGuBFgBSstbuGJISnCy6gqO2vJ uAHpJUupX6rU6rWVqKCqdxJg+lw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=github.com; s=mailo; q=dns; h=Sender: Date: From: Reply-To: To: Message-ID: Subject: Mime-Version: Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SP4lqJlP85E2YhGCsTNkU/TwTwAOf4g31Ckf4skydu+vgztCMCjyPoDeKNBful3dZYQ4sB olfW945KMTFB5T+BY7S2nudZenXNDHqHxZGfeBBZNo1Nsc33FnezMbQGALi9EXCDci6hrMi8 k3Do74wjWswSbQ2uSln30zBoYOQWo= Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.71.131 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.45]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 59cc5461.7f2678094540-smtp-out-n01; Thu, 28 Sep 2017 01:46:09 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:46:09 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59cc5461ccd29_7263fb5ffe05c3c196a6@hookshot-fe3-cp1-prd.iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 5b2d34: Split error code space Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59cc5461cc80d_7263fb5ffe05c3c19592"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 01:46:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59cc5461cc80d_7263fb5ffe05c3c19592 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/split-errors Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 5b2d342317ebf6d57ae094139f1f9dc93c2a4fec https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5b2d342317ebf6d57ae094139f1f9dc93c2a4fec Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Split error code space This creates two orthogonal spaces for error codes. Application error codes can be used for both connection and stream errors and are under the control of the application protocol. Transport error codes are QUIC-controlled, but can only terminate the connection. To fix this, I had to add IANA considerations for error codes, plus a few extra tweaks. I think that the error code space could be narrowed to 16 bits after this, if only to keep things sane. Closes #132. Commit: 9bfaa6c0c352b47f101ce4f8822bdf1dbda1f8d9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9bfaa6c0c352b47f101ce4f8822bdf1dbda1f8d9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- s/Public Reset/Stateless Reset/ Commit: ba3e0742b4901e593f30a7dcc45ae25042294d8f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ba3e0742b4901e593f30a7dcc45ae25042294d8f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Get codes consistent Commit: 3663e684e5b117684891cbb8d0aad17120c5fb65 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3663e684e5b117684891cbb8d0aad17120c5fb65 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Make STOP_SENDING application-specific as well Commit: 1abd960838a9d0c995cd5af7ec3dcf5a4fc9e084 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1abd960838a9d0c995cd5af7ec3dcf5a4fc9e084 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Split errors in HTTP too Commit: 30661ba8543ad95f3897a08484f1fc3955ed2362 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/30661ba8543ad95f3897a08484f1fc3955ed2362 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Refine description of HTTP codes Commit: 7514803a195b0f75e59e4984c101dccbb98c4221 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7514803a195b0f75e59e4984c101dccbb98c4221 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Move TLS errors closer Commit: ec4c9ad273369bc8674c347ce98e154e3e84542c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ec4c9ad273369bc8674c347ce98e154e3e84542c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Match the names Commit: aacc9bbff886feea8d0a167756421619669d91d1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/aacc9bbff886feea8d0a167756421619669d91d1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Add HTTP_NO_ERROR Commit: 390704b1e15e7b0adfd3784d8b3b1c61c880a822 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/390704b1e15e7b0adfd3784d8b3b1c61c880a822 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Review comments Commit: 3e670a13c4f4ce342beb2f268c9c32273115c003 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3e670a13c4f4ce342beb2f268c9c32273115c003 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Jana's comments Commit: b38f611f8b522d9046d2a0a0506c27375fa0f0fa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b38f611f8b522d9046d2a0a0506c27375fa0f0fa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Small tweak at Mike's suggestion Commit: 31fa531806d31a61ff6dbf7207cbf0962873f60b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/31fa531806d31a61ff6dbf7207cbf0962873f60b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reword STOP_SENDING text to avoid implication of mandatory RST_STREAM Commit: 37f62797b71c2d07591efc5df58e87cde42f2ec5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/37f62797b71c2d07591efc5df58e87cde42f2ec5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Better track changes on master Commit: 78db6b219940801e94785d359466214fbcea9b92 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/78db6b219940801e94785d359466214fbcea9b92 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reword advice on application error codes Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/4fa1f6853a69...78db6b219940 ----==_mimepart_59cc5461cc80d_7263fb5ffe05c3c19592-- From nobody Wed Sep 27 19:09:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33DA135253 for ; 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Application error codes can be used for both connection and stream errors and are under the control of the application protocol. Transport error codes are QUIC-controlled, but can only terminate the connection. To fix this, I had to add IANA considerations for error codes, plus a few extra tweaks. I think that the error code space could be narrowed to 16 bits after this, if only to keep things sane. Closes #132. Commit: 5516687ca0b939274ab9b2347e8c88cab46afe2c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5516687ca0b939274ab9b2347e8c88cab46afe2c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Make error codes smaller Commit: c130f132bcc4243ec8a5ace8b83e9d23c3ffd172 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c130f132bcc4243ec8a5ace8b83e9d23c3ffd172 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Missed RST_STREAM somehow Commit: f7eb3931f3eef62976a3b550155e7d6ddb4b9ba2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f7eb3931f3eef62976a3b550155e7d6ddb4b9ba2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix some skew from the rebase Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/2c7711890239...f7eb3931f3ee ----==_mimepart_59cc59db43a65_75703f937ec71c343858b-- From nobody Wed Sep 27 19:11:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EEF135258 for ; 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Thu, 28 Sep 2017 02:10:57 -0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 19:10:56 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <59cc5a30af2d7_c56b3fb2d4e89c2c506db@hookshot-fe-6dbb0c4.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 0a9c53: reference format Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59cc5a30aeff2_c56b3fb2d4e89c2c50563"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 02:11:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59cc5a30aeff2_c56b3fb2d4e89c2c50563 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 0a9c534c518cb121209a5eb5e11bcdf209250e56 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0a9c534c518cb121209a5eb5e11bcdf209250e56 Author: Julian Reschke Date: 2017-09-26 (Tue, 26 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- reference format Commit: 898f03c2379ba8cf6f3df9e0d4094635e44dc94c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/898f03c2379ba8cf6f3df9e0d4094635e44dc94c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'patch-9' of https://github.com/reschke/base-drafts into jreshke-refs Commit: ad02c0239e5a0b3a371ed9b9ce88a1c7a7097ee6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ad02c0239e5a0b3a371ed9b9ce88a1c7a7097ee6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Correct formatting error Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/f43b7435fba5...ad02c0239e5a ----==_mimepart_59cc5a30aeff2_c56b3fb2d4e89c2c50563-- From nobody Wed Sep 27 19:11:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943CD135256 for ; 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The draft says that > opening a stream causes all lower-numbered streams in the same direction to become open. Now I disagree with arguments for mandating stream creation order on _two_ counts -- implementation and protocol specification. ***I. Implementation.*** The way to track open streams that you describe is suboptimal. The assertion that "open streams need a bunch of state" is not true: this is because stream transition from idle to open states can be treated in a purely conceptual fashion. Real stream state -- that is, some data structures and linkages -- does not have to be allocated until the first frame received for that stream. This is how we chose to implement it at LiteSpeed, guided by a sort of rule of thumb "delay doing work until you have to." As a side note, doing a large chunk of work to allocate stream resources is not always timely: consider the case when a connection is closed shortly after this chunk of work is performed. This is more likely to occur than not in this situation, as a large hole in the sequence of incoming stream IDs may be a symptom of network issues. ***II. Protocol Specification*** A protocol should strive to be simpler rather than more complex. If something is not required by the protocol itself -- which the order of stream creation is not -- it does not belong in the specification. The protocol specification should not be a place where the way to implement something is mandated. This may prevent a clever implementer from employing some optimization mechanism that the protocol authors had not thought about. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/634#issuecomment-332707015 ----==_mimepart_59cc5a65843a6_6e03fd785cfaf3492960 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@MikeBi= shop, I see -- thank you for the explanation. @martinthomson must have be= en also alluding to this
when he wrote that "open streams need a bunch of state." The draft says th= at

opening a stream causes all lower-numbered streams in the same direction= to become open.

Now I disagree with arguments for mandating stream creation order on two counts -- implementation and protocol specification.

I. Implementation.

The way to track open streams that you describe is suboptimal. The asse= rtion that "open streams need a bunch of state" is not true: this is becaus= e stream transition from idle to open states can be treated in a purely con= ceptual fashion. Real stream state -- that is, some data structures and li= nkages -- does not have to be allocated until the first frame received for = that stream. This is how we chose to implement it at LiteSpeed, guided by = a sort of rule of thumb "delay doing work until you have to."

As a side note, doing a large chunk of work to allocate stream resources= is not always timely: consider the case when a connection is closed shortl= y after this chunk of work is performed. This is more likely to occur than= not in this situation, as a large hole in the sequence of incoming stream = IDs may be a symptom of network issues.

II. Protocol Specification

A protocol should strive to be simpler rather than more complex. If som= ething is not required by the protocol itself -- which the order of stream = creation is not -- it does not belong in the specification. The protocol s= pecification should not be a place where the way to implement something is = mandated. This may prevent a clever implementer from employing some optimi= zation mechanism that the protocol authors had not thought about.

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Your implementation point there seems to motivate the opposite. As Mike= said, receiving stream X might open stream X-2, but the receiver doesn't h= ave to do anything at that point.

Here's a different way to think about this: why do you want to open stre= ams out of order?

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_59cc5d8f7af9d_f983fe3698b7c34939d7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 02:25:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59cc5d8f7af9d_f983fe3698b7c34939d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Branch: refs/heads/proof-of-receipt Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 7a168f9f036631b6dbb090a4a904b28f46da3d44 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7a168f9f036631b6dbb090= a4a904b28f46da3d44 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-14 (Mon, 14 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Prohibit acknowledgement of packets with echoed packet numbers Closes #563. Commit: fcd10ffa85d8b19396970453fca6032a8fed0979 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fcd10ffa85d8b193969704= 53fca6032a8fed0979 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-14 (Mon, 14 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Too many lines Commit: 9a7814c80d8f013ca323732a960dd6e554a9d39c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9a7814c80d8f013ca32373= 2a960dd6e554a9d39c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-14 (Mon, 14 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- stateless_reset_token is server only This also corrects the number used in prose. Closes #726. Commit: b2c804118304205bf344e22c62575326cd13eff0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b2c804118304205bf344e2= 2c62575326cd13eff0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-15 (Tue, 15 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Refactor the section on connection termination Commit: 60546fe7e8241b244a215e6ee91c90834054e2c4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/60546fe7e8241b244a215e= 6ee91c90834054e2c4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-15 (Tue, 15 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Review comments Commit: 58ab5f6d7d37da3825b63089999b4e578323d76b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/58ab5f6d7d37da3825b630= 89999b4e578323d76b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-15 (Tue, 15 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Stateless reset Commit: 247858a12b201287eec9299e19fd4ad6791a5f8a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/247858a12b201287eec929= 9e19fd4ad6791a5f8a Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-08-14 (Mon, 14 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- DATA frames MUST be non-empty (#708) Commit: d4ddd2c74721edaef199e7d340127396d36d164e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d4ddd2c74721edaef199e7= d340127396d36d164e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-15 (Tue, 15 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Fix error code definitions (#712) Commit: 4bceb91c002989bfa2653dc035e10231747b8ad6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4bceb91c002989bfa2653d= c035e10231747b8ad6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-16 (Wed, 16 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #727 from quicwg/no-ack-packets Prohibit acknowledgement of packets with echoed packet numbers Commit: 77f68edfbca1ebeef1dfc930f6a35445cf955dc9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/77f68edfbca1ebeef1dfc9= 30f6a35445cf955dc9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-16 (Wed, 16 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add changelogs Commit: 8aa071a8d2c49c423602028f15267a5918686669 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8aa071a8d2c49c42360202= 8f15267a5918686669 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-16 (Wed, 16 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #735 from quicwg/changelog-05 Add changelogs for -05 Commit: 07416702fab3dd24fedb5c909933d29676ed2f5b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/07416702fab3dd24fedb5c= 909933d29676ed2f5b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-16 (Wed, 16 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #728 from quicwg/issue726 stateless_reset_token is server only Commit: 90e2eea6343c620cb7db11ce09ef2602d046b2d8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/90e2eea6343c620cb7db11= ce09ef2602d046b2d8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-16 (Wed, 16 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Limit pushes using MAX_PUSH_ID (#711) * Fix error code definitions HTTP_MALFORMED_DATA description mentioned HEADERS and it wasn't in the IA= NA table. HTTP_WRONG_STREAM was defined as HTTP_SETTINGS_ON_WRONG_STREAM. * So much effort spent on something so trivial * Limit pushes using MAX_PUSH_ID This repurposes SETTINGS_ENABLE_PUSH as the initial limit. A client can use this to limit the number of outstanding pushes. I've in= cluded advice on increasing the limit, not as the pushes are first used, but as = the pushes are completed (or cancelled). There wasn't a rule for handling a truncated push stream header, so I add= ed that as well. The HTTP_DUPLICATE_PUSH error was reclaimed for signaling = all three types of error with a push stream header: truncation, duplicate Pus= h ID, and exceeding MAX_PUSH_ID. * Fix error codes, prohibit reduction * Review comments * Remove push setting in favor of MAX_PUSH_ID * Remove redundant word Commit: 434727968e267ed061a7141e403db1d593107154 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/434727968e267ed061a714= 1e403db1d593107154 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-08-16 (Wed, 16 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Fix MAX_PUSH_ID header level Commit: e34016794b6ca04c5ed959c31c5ad48674ff702c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e34016794b6ca04c5ed959= c31c5ad48674ff702c Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-08-16 (Wed, 16 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Fix error definition Commit: 5ded0bb4e5a7c4b77f8e52588c1e96a0faacc8a5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5ded0bb4e5a7c4b77f8e52= 588c1e96a0faacc8a5 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-08-16 (Wed, 16 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- supported_versions field of transport parameters has min size of 4 (1 v= ersion) Commit: 68fe216a02fdce26e6a8ffac90a0c89b223810e7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/68fe216a02fdce26e6a8ff= ac90a0c89b223810e7 Author: ianswett Date: 2017-08-16 (Wed, 16 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify when and what to ACK Closes Issue #736 Commit: b4e4fb9c279f740bb6bc8f4d7ea520847eba41e4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b4e4fb9c279f740bb6bc8f= 4d7ea520847eba41e4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-17 (Thu, 17 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Tweak Commit: e5103b7a5ae55e4f87dbf85e479b4066dac4476f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e5103b7a5ae55e4f87dbf8= 5e479b4066dac4476f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-17 (Thu, 17 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #739 from quicwg/ianswett-whenwhatack Clarify when and what to ACK Commit: 14a14c13a01f8715b21fc6471ab9b5cb1bf9a449 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/14a14c13a01f8715b21fc6= 471ab9b5cb1bf9a449 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-17 (Thu, 17 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #737 from mcmanus/mcmanus-supported-versions supported_versions field of transport parameters has min size of 4 (1=E2=80= =A6 Commit: 29fb417ce562ebe2035a0a71f6e05dd6c2e7133a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/29fb417ce562ebe2035a0a= 71f6e05dd6c2e7133a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-23 (Wed, 23 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M circle.yml Log Message: ----------- These errors are too much out of our control Commit: d9194e531d8e52a3172fd85f17b0fd23b61d8c8d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d9194e531d8e52a3172fd8= 5f17b0fd23b61d8c8d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-23 (Wed, 23 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M circle.yml Log Message: ----------- And we don't need to run them more, which only makes it worse Commit: c4a246a6da28841480ea23d4669253d10cf8f075 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c4a246a6da28841480ea23= d4669253d10cf8f075 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-23 (Wed, 23 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add the concept of a draining period Commit: 28e7cb2b9a5afafe3b8512121609477d02b097aa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/28e7cb2b9a5afafe3b8512= 121609477d02b097aa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-23 (Wed, 23 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial cleanup after self-review Commit: 72207659068826e9be662e04044cb354600d4183 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/72207659068826e9be662e= 04044cb354600d4183 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-24 (Thu, 24 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Receipt of CONNECTION_CLOSE commences draining Commit: ede693c84710dbc2c78c3ebef3238e37c44437f1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ede693c84710dbc2c78c3e= bef3238e37c44437f1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-24 (Thu, 24 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M circle.yml Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #747 from quicwg/ignore-gh-issues-errors Ignore gh-issues errors Commit: 8e34d7d088bbfa9a47cfaad20c226d0183ee9cfb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8e34d7d088bbfa9a47cfaa= d20c226d0183ee9cfb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-24 (Thu, 24 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- RST_STREAM doesn't demand another RST_STREAM in response The rest of the text seems OK, but this is a bit we missed in #171. Commit: 6861f9d728d2f0e760c0b5e5e61a2f67cbab1161 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6861f9d728d2f0e760c0b5= e5e61a2f67cbab1161 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-25 (Fri, 25 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Stop sending _CLOSE when you get an ACK Commit: 9218dcc4d4aeef892583845170c41053a0461135 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9218dcc4d4aeef89258384= 5170c41053a0461135 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-25 (Fri, 25 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Might as well stop on CONNECTION_CLOSE as well Commit: a215b5312f4a86c45caf13bed624179085196e46 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a215b5312f4a86c45caf13= bed624179085196e46 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-28 (Mon, 28 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Minor editorial things Commit: 4d064a358e429026a60655191589335ef5598d83 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4d064a358e429026a60655= 191589335ef5598d83 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-30 (Wed, 30 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #750 from quicwg/reset-doesnt-trigger-reset RST_STREAM doesn't demand a RST_STREAM in response. Commit: 71d407998de5a09b93359b7aa0fd0d57066eb8ac https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/71d407998de5a09b93359b= 7aa0fd0d57066eb8ac Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-08-31 (Thu, 31 Aug 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Size limit for Version Negotiation As discussed, the limits are largely practical, and there should be enoug= h incentive to avoid inflation, but it pays to be a little more precise whe= n defining protocols or you can get odd downstream effects. I've chosen to= limit the size to the CI. That's 1200 currently (or more) and should be plenty= og space for many versions. Closes #585. Commit: 7399913483d5b4fd5e25d1d8c1d9a3a06b743306 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7399913483d5b4fd5e25d1= d8c1d9a3a06b743306 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-09-05 (Tue, 05 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clarify the In Effect a new Connection language in Stateless Retry Commit: bda9b682c88f2c127e8caf81198ae3d4007f1e3d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bda9b682c88f2c127e8caf= 81198ae3d4007f1e3d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Jana's comments. Commit: 6684ebf53344bd1da56c84356610a7e7ceb48b9a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6684ebf53344bd1da56c84= 356610a7e7ceb48b9a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Minor clarification Commit: 817e24a15ca7a0bf842e505d349179e5d671add2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/817e24a15ca7a0bf842e50= 5d349179e5d671add2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #721 from quicwg/cleanup-close Refactor the section on connection termination Commit: 1af69cc8d87f7efd58da0b44a676d8c15ab6c8fe https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1af69cc8d87f7efd58da0b= 44a676d8c15ab6c8fe Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Only servers can use stateless reset Commit: 06231d0635a64ef9abd1b2f393cf219ae5af3fff https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/06231d0635a64ef9abd1b2= f393cf219ae5af3fff Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-07 (Thu, 07 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #760 from mcmanus/mcmanus-ssr-effectively Clarify the In Effect a new Connection language in Stateless Retry Commit: dee0bca18ef689d3d631a9711063408cbd0f4319 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dee0bca18ef689d3d631a9= 711063408cbd0f4319 Author: Patrick McManus Date: 2017-09-06 (Wed, 06 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- clarify absolute byte offset of a connection Commit: 1c43ea498ca224169854583c7ed7dda59792d27e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c43ea498ca22416985458= 3c7ed7dda59792d27e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-07 (Thu, 07 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #766 from mcmanus/mcmanus-cfc1 clarify absolute byte offset of a connection Commit: ce27486c76a11eae83c218c6915b43391455ddfa https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ce27486c76a11eae83c218= c6915b43391455ddfa Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-07 (Thu, 07 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove distracting sentence Commit: 88f3c589e5abd3568fd74deda24bdef6958649ae https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/88f3c589e5abd3568fd74d= eda24bdef6958649ae Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-09-07 (Thu, 07 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fixes incorrect text and renames STREAM_ID_NEEDED to STREAM_ID_BLOCKED.= Commit: be8bce7f20270891c5a75b39a07514fc665a3e55 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/be8bce7f20270891c5a75b= 39a07514fc665a3e55 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-08 (Fri, 08 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #767 from quicwg/streamid Fixes incorrect text and renames STREAM_ID_NEEDED Commit: d6e7119bdaf6042d498ba427d56cf49c8f3399d2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d6e7119bdaf6042d498ba4= 27d56cf49c8f3399d2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-08 (Fri, 08 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #754 from quicwg/vn-mtu Size limit for Version Negotiation Commit: d3c40d80c5ff7c064f9c89f72ba6c993843c2f17 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d3c40d80c5ff7c064f9c89= f72ba6c993843c2f17 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-08 (Fri, 08 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Keep-alive requirements This removes the bad advice in PING about keeping connections alive and g= oes for a more nuanced description. The transport contains generic advice an= d a recommendation that application protocols provide further guidance. The = HTTP mapping specifies that the client is the one that performs keep-alives an= d that it should only do so if it is waiting on responses from the server. Closes #729. Commit: 2d917370e5b650c27923d64ffa4a0c180634c16c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2d917370e5b650c27923d6= 4ffa4a0c180634c16c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-08 (Fri, 08 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Correct some pretty lame snafus Commit: d8d5d21810d4b3d53d574fea8fb7639179ccc21f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d8d5d21810d4b3d53d574f= ea8fb7639179ccc21f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-08 (Fri, 08 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Minor grammatical fix Commit: 989cfe3e5293c23f1e93b5055e7b699daaa33987 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/989cfe3e5293c23f1e93b5= 055e7b699daaa33987 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-09-11 (Mon, 11 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Fixed nit. Commit: fc397d179c08914522896540f42e5c79216121d6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc397d179c089145228965= 40f42e5c79216121d6 Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-09-11 (Mon, 11 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #769 from quicwg/nit Fixed nit. Commit: fdaa87c96f899f9cfe6b294d175185a5265fee9c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fdaa87c96f899f9cfe6b29= 4d175185a5265fee9c Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-09-11 (Mon, 11 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Larger packet number not larger packet. 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(#768) Commit: f24d69f6f8bfb525e125d1309cc74bbbab2e2219 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f24d69f6f8bfb525e125d1= 309cc74bbbab2e2219 Author: ianswett Date: 2017-09-18 (Mon, 18 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Complete congestion control text (#776) * Complete congestion control text * Add text on pacing rate * Fix nits Commit: 1c90618f5097a398facb87ec5df7c5ea52abbf1e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1c90618f5097a398facb87= ec5df7c5ea52abbf1e Author: ianswett Date: 2017-09-19 (Tue, 19 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Spelling error Commit: 40c67f35bfce5dbcfe56b4a23b9ca8f10c146171 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/40c67f35bfce5dbcfe56b4= a23b9ca8f10c146171 Author: ianswett Date: 2017-09-19 (Tue, 19 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Add OnPacketSentCC (#780) * Add OnPacketSentCC * Improve pacing text and remove pacing pseudocode. * Fix bytes_in_flight computation * Add more text on Recovery Period * Martin's comments from Aug 24th Commit: 4c2e6085a5bb756d556e16a4ab33f127b5087797 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4c2e6085a5bb756d556e16= a4ab33f127b5087797 Author: ianswett Date: 2017-09-19 (Tue, 19 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- is -> it Commit: 0793373c336dd9d82f805cf96537007389e27dbd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0793373c336dd9d82f805c= f96537007389e27dbd Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-09-19 (Tue, 19 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #744 from quicwg/keep-alive Keep-alive requirements Commit: c0c5e837543695f5f7fca58aa23f2c86a104da4a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c0c5e837543695f5f7fca5= 8aa23f2c86a104da4a Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2017-09-21 (Thu, 21 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Specify connection ID and version a unsigned numbers Commit: 0645271375fcdc62f5e0146e1cd6ae6cdad1c966 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0645271375fcdc62f5e014= 6e1cd6ae6cdad1c966 Author: Ryan Hamilton Date: 2017-09-21 (Thu, 21 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- more Commit: 0ed63757a9817789425e4cffd39f83838b48980c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0ed63757a9817789425e4c= ffd39f83838b48980c Author: janaiyengar Date: 2017-09-21 (Thu, 21 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #788 from RyanAtGoogle/ConnectionID Specify connection ID and version a unsigned numbers Commit: f535ee6fc1ee2cf4c95ac1059df2ce9e2cdda0c5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f535ee6fc1ee2cf4c95ac1= 059df2ce9e2cdda0c5 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-09-21 (Thu, 21 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Servers SHOULD NOT misuse the CANCELLED state (#770) Commit: 6c1e1c7567618a70780fbfd43141b2ebf9bd4049 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6c1e1c7567618a70780fbf= d43141b2ebf9bd4049 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-09-22 (Fri, 22 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Add changelog Commit: fb20f854fda8adbf0016313acffdff36e9c3cbcc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fb20f854fda8adbf001631= 3acffdff36e9c3cbcc Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2017-09-22 (Fri, 22 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- HTTP changelog for -06 Commit: afc824ec5fc77eca1e9d36f37fb2d46518c36639 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/afc824ec5fc77eca1e9d36= f37fb2d46518c36639 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-09-22 (Fri, 22 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add changelogs Commit: a5d625f91a7a62c57a88b05eaee8803ee8af3174 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a5d625f91a7a62c57a88b0= 5eaee8803ee8af3174 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@mar= tinthomson, my point was that an efficient stream-tracking logic is not= difficult achieve even in the face of out-of-order stream creation. Let t= he implementer figure out what to do, not mandate how to do it.

I do not want to create streams out of order -- HTTP over QUIC does not = require it. Nevertheless, I think that the scenario I described a= bove is plausible -- why put in constraints that would make in infeasib= le?

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Commit: 0f80d255b2a311389a47febfb712a32c74c17f68 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0f80d255b2a311389a47febfb712a32c74c17f68 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Error code for duplicate parameters A friendly amendment to your PR. Commit: 1400dd53061f607326b69426f76ca349e6f9370d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1400dd53061f607326b69426f76ca349e6f9370d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2017-09-28 (Thu, 28 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #792 from ekr/extensions_may_only_appear_once Require that parameters only appear once. 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Merged #792.

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Let's just make this really explicit.

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As noted above, this creates a situation in which there are two differen= t packet protection mechanisms applied to the same message (the AEAD and th= e cleartext integrity check). That seems unfortunate.

If that is an issue, we could define the range protected by FNV-1a to not cover 0-RTT data, and the range protected by AAD to not= cover cleartext payload. Something like below. The ranges covered by FNV-1= a and AAD are shown in the vertical bars in right. It also adds a "Cleartex= t Length" field.

+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+                                               =
     -    -
|1|   Type (7)  |                                                    |    |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+    |    |
|                                                               |    |    |A
+                       Connection ID (64)                      +    |    |E
|                                                               |    |F   |A
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+    |N   |D
|                       Packet Number (32)                      |    |V   |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+    |-   |A
|                         Version (32)                          |    |1   |A
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+    |a   |D
|    Cleartext Length (16)      |                                    |    |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+    |    -
|           Cleartext Payload (Cleartext Length)              ...    |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+    -=20=
=20=20=20
|                      Encrypted Payload (*)                  ...
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   If a sender does not receive a MAX_DATA or MAX_STREAM_DATA frame when
   it has run out of flow control credit, the sender will be blocked and
   MUST send a BLOCKED or STREAM_BLOCKED frame.  These frames are
   expected to be useful for debugging at the receiver; they do not
   require any other action.  A receiver SHOULD NOT wait for a BLOCKED
   or STREAM_BLOCKED frame before sending MAX_DATA or MAX_STREAM_DATA,
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   entire round trip.

If this is just for debugging, why is it required?

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This might be retransmission of stream data in reverse direction stream data or stream control frames with flow control etc. Those frames may be silently discarded or handled as per protocol. After a while those frames should b= e considered a serious error resulting in connection termination because clearly the peer isn=E2=80=99t paying attention. The simplest way to handle this is to track a lower bound on stream ID. F= or this reason it is also really important that =E2=80=9Csequential=E2=80=9D= means next higher value and not just an arbitrary higher number (I made a comment on= some issue asking for clarification on this). If stream ID's are unordered, it is necessary to keep track of all recent= ly active streams. The rate of new streams can be high, and the lifetime low= , so the dictionary can potentially hold millions of streams. Another concern is new streams. These must be rejected if they have alrea= dy been closed. For unordered streams this is intractable because you need t= o keep a dictionary holding billions of random stream id. OTOH - if unordered streams are permitted AND it is permitted to reuse stream ID=E2=80=99s after a while (past grace period of pending stream fr= ames), then stream IDs can be used for context, such as file id on a host.This still requires a dictionary of all recently closed streams, but it is not= intractable. Further, ordereded stream ID=E2=80=99s are significant when using unidire= ctional partial reliable streams where each part of a virtual stream (message) is= a new stream ID. Here ordering of stream IDs provide the necessary sequenci= ng - of course a protocol is free to impose this constraint, and it doesn=E2= =80=99t affect transport. If streams move to unidirectional only, this changes a lot because you on= ly need to keep the lower level ack logic and the stream context can be clos= ed immediately after sending FIN or RST. I strongly recommend moving to unidirectional only. Kind Regards, Mikkel Fahn=C3=B8e J=C3=B8rgensen On 27 September 2017 at 22.09.57, Dmitri Tikhonov (notifications@github.c= om) wrote: @mikkelfj writes: It matters because you have a period where you still accept stream frames= before considering them an error - and if there are holes in the stream range it might confuse the logic determing this. Which stream frames do you mean? If stream frames for the streams that ar= e in the "hole," then I do not see where the confusion would be: A stream frame for a stream that is not yet open opens that stream. If the stream count goes over the limit, a connection error is flagged and the connecti= on is aborted. =E2=80=94 You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub = , or mute the thread . -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/634#issuecomment-332746949= ----==_mimepart_59cc9eb1b314d_7bb3fb36decef2c5785 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable stream frame simplification - it=E2=80=99s been a while since I had time = to work on
my implementation so it is from rough memory, and - I haven=E2=80=99t rea= d the full
discussion in this thread - so please bear with me:

Once a stream state closes there is a period where you still have to acce= pt
incoming stream frames for the pariticular stream id. This might be
retransmission of stream data in reverse direction stream data or stream<= br> control frames with flow control etc. Those frames may be silently
discarded or handled as per protocol. After a while those frames should b= e
considered a serious error resulting in connection termination because clearly the peer isn=E2=80=99t paying attention.

The simplest way to handle this is to track a lower bound on stream ID. F= or
this reason it is also really important that =E2=80=9Csequential=E2=80=9D= means next
higher value and not just an arbitrary higher number (I made a comment on=
some issue asking for clarification on this).

If stream ID's are unordered, it is necessary to keep track of all re= cently
active streams. The rate of new streams can be high, and the lifetime low= ,
so the dictionary can potentially hold millions of streams.

Another concern is new streams. These must be rejected if they have alrea= dy
been closed. For unordered streams this is intractable because you need t= o
keep a dictionary holding billions of random stream id.

OTOH - if unordered streams are permitted AND it is permitted to reuse stream ID=E2=80=99s after a while (past grace period of pending stream fr= ames),
then stream IDs can be used for context, such as file id on a host.This still requires a dictionary of all recently closed streams, but it is not=
intractable.

Further, ordereded stream ID=E2=80=99s are significant when using unidire= ctional
partial reliable streams where each part of a virtual stream (message) is= a
new stream ID. Here ordering of stream IDs provide the necessary sequenci= ng
- of course a protocol is free to impose this constraint, and it doesn=E2= =80=99t
affect transport.


If streams move to unidirectional only, this changes a lot because you on= ly
need to keep the lower level ack logic and the stream context can be clos= ed
immediately after sending FIN or RST. I strongly recommend moving to
unidirectional only.

Kind Regards,
Mikkel Fahn=C3=B8e J=C3=B8rgensen


On 27 September 2017 at 22.09.57, Dmitri Tikhonov (notifications@github.c= om)
wrote:

@mikkelfj <https://github.com/mikkelfj> writes:

It matters because you have a period where you still accept stream frames=
before considering them an error - and if there are holes in the stream range it might confuse the logic determing this.

Which stream frames do you mean? If stream frames for the streams that ar= e
in the "hole," then I do not see where the confusion would be: = A stream
frame for a stream that is not yet open opens that stream. If the stream<= br> count goes over the limit, a connection error is flagged and the connecti= on
is aborted.

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  • A tiny nit: the ClientHello is not subject to MAX_STREAM_DATA.

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Closed #802.

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I have the same question in #65.

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You could also assign different blocks of message ids to different cpu co= res to have a quick and easy way to keep processing affinity. Admittedly no= ne are killer requirements, but spinning your question round, why would you= want to impose strict serialization of the system if you don=E2=80=99t hav= e to? From: Martin Thomson [mailto:notifications@github.com] Sent: 28 September 2017 03:19 To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stream creation order (#634) Your implementation point there seems to motivate the opposite. As Mike sai= d, receiving stream X might open stream X-2, but the receiver doesn't have = to do anything at that point. Here's a different way to think about this: why do you want to open streams= out of order? =E2=80=94 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub, or mute the thread. --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Your implementation point there seems to motivate the opposite. As Mike sai= d, receiving stream X might open stream X-2, but the receiver doesn't h= ave to do anything at that point.

Here's a different way to think about this: why do you want to open str= eams out of order?

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There has been discussion wether the ECN indication (or echo) should be included in the ACK frame or in a separate dedicated frame.
Proponents of a dedicated ECN frame argue that adding extra ECN info in the ACK frame can increase the complexity of the ACK frame encoding and parsing. Ian Swett however as a very strong point in his remark that ECN in a separate frame can give additional issues in the congestion control functionality, in other words, what we save (in complexity) in one part of the chain can cause extra cost and in the worst case incomprehensible code in another part of the chain.
My personal opinion is that it is best to have ECN in the ACK frame

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Once the issue whether ECN should be in the ACK frame or in a separate frame it is time to discuss the format. There are two possible ways to do it

  1. The status of the ECN bits for each received packet is indicated. Fig 2 and 3 in https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-johansson-quic-ecn-01.txt suggests two formats, my preference is the version presented in figure 3 (alt 2), this way the ECN bits are placed at the end of the ACK frame.

  2. Accumulated number of bytes marked '01','10' and '11' (possibly also '00'). An example is presented in figure 2 in https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-johansson-quic-ecn-03.txt. If the ECN echo is in the ACK frame then it is not necessary with a counter for '00' marked bytes as this value can be inferred from the already existing ACKs and the counters for the '01','10' and '11' marked bytes.

Proponents for the detailed packet level indication point at a possibility that future congestion control algorithms can benefit from this level of detail. On the other hand, scalable congestion control algorithms like DCTCP can work well with the accumulated bytes count.

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Lots of comments, but I like the content and structure. > - TCP's Tail Loss Probe. - - * If all else fails, a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) alarm is always set when - any retransmittable packet is outstanding. When this alarm fires, all - unacknowledged packets are marked as lost. - - * Instead of a packet threshold to tolerate reordering, a QUIC sender may use - a time threshold. This allows for senders to be tolerant of short periods of - significant reordering. In this mechanism, a QUIC sender marks a packet as - lost when a larger packet number is acknowledged and a threshold amount of - time has passed since the packet was sent. - - * Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are - critical to QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate alarm - period is used for them. +QUIC uses both ack information and timeouts to detect lost packets, and this Also, ack information and timeouts is correct, but not super-descriptive and it might be worth saying once that this is sender side, even though it's obvious to us. Maybe something like: "QUIC senders use both received acknowledgements and timeouts to detect and recover from lost packets. This section provides..." > + +## Computing the RTT estimate + +(To be filled) + + +## Ack-based Detection + +Ack-based loss detection implements the spirit of TCP's Fast Retransmit +{{!RFC5681}}, Early Retransmit {{!RFC5827}}, FACK, and SACK loss recovery +{{!RFC6675}}. This section provides an overview of how these algorithms are +implemented in QUIC. + +### Fast Retransmit + +An unacknowledged packet is marked as lost when an acknowledgment is received Given I just had the conversation about "acknowledgement" and what it meant, do we need to clarify it somewhere in this doc? > +## Ack-based Detection + +Ack-based loss detection implements the spirit of TCP's Fast Retransmit +{{!RFC5681}}, Early Retransmit {{!RFC5827}}, FACK, and SACK loss recovery +{{!RFC6675}}. This section provides an overview of how these algorithms are +implemented in QUIC. + +### Fast Retransmit + +An unacknowledged packet is marked as lost when an acknowledgment is received +for a packet that was sent a threshold number of packets (kReorderingThreshold) +after the unacknowledged packet. Receipt of the ack indicates that a later +packet was received, while kReorderingThreshold provides some tolerance for +reordering of packets in the network. + +The RECOMMENDED value for kReorderingThreshold is 3. RECOMMENDED initial value? Esp given you talk about changing it below. > +{{!RFC6675}}. This section provides an overview of how these algorithms are +implemented in QUIC. + +### Fast Retransmit + +An unacknowledged packet is marked as lost when an acknowledgment is received +for a packet that was sent a threshold number of packets (kReorderingThreshold) +after the unacknowledged packet. Receipt of the ack indicates that a later +packet was received, while kReorderingThreshold provides some tolerance for +reordering of packets in the network. + +The RECOMMENDED value for kReorderingThreshold is 3. + +We derive this default from recommendations for TCP loss recovery {{!RFC5681}} +{{!RFC6675}}. It is possible for networks to exhibit higher degrees of +reordering, causing a sender to spuriously detect losses. Spurious loss nit: I think "detect spurious losses" reads a bit better, but I'm not sure. > +{{!RFC6675}}. This section provides an overview of how these algorithms are +implemented in QUIC. + +### Fast Retransmit + +An unacknowledged packet is marked as lost when an acknowledgment is received +for a packet that was sent a threshold number of packets (kReorderingThreshold) +after the unacknowledged packet. Receipt of the ack indicates that a later +packet was received, while kReorderingThreshold provides some tolerance for +reordering of packets in the network. + +The RECOMMENDED value for kReorderingThreshold is 3. + +We derive this default from recommendations for TCP loss recovery {{!RFC5681}} +{{!RFC6675}}. It is possible for networks to exhibit higher degrees of +reordering, causing a sender to spuriously detect losses. Spurious loss Also, Spurious loss detection is sort of odd. I'd go with "Detecting spurious losses leads..." > +reordering, causing a sender to spuriously detect losses. Spurious loss +detection leads to unnecessary retransmissions and may result in degraded +performance due to the actions of the congestion controller upon detecting +loss. Implementers MAY use algorithms developed for TCP, such as TCP-NCR +{{!RFC4653}}, to improve QUIC's reordering resilience, though care should be +taken to map TCP specifics to QUIC correctly. Similarly, using time-based loss +detection to deal with reordering, such as in PR-TCP, should be more readily +usable in QUIC. Making QUIC deal with such networks is important open research, +and implementers are encouraged to explore this space. + +### Early Retransmit + +Unacknowledged packets close to the tail may have fewer than +kReorderingThreshold number of packets sent after them. Loss of such packets +cannot be detected via Fast Retransmit. To enable ack-based loss detection of +such packets, receipt of an acknowledgment for the last outstanding packet Do you want to clarify that it's the last outstanding ackable packet? Also, now that I read through this, it seems like it'd be worth doing early retransmit for any packets within kReorderingThreshold from the tail, but that's a sidethought. > +loss. Implementers MAY use algorithms developed for TCP, such as TCP-NCR +{{!RFC4653}}, to improve QUIC's reordering resilience, though care should be +taken to map TCP specifics to QUIC correctly. Similarly, using time-based loss +detection to deal with reordering, such as in PR-TCP, should be more readily +usable in QUIC. Making QUIC deal with such networks is important open research, +and implementers are encouraged to explore this space. + +### Early Retransmit + +Unacknowledged packets close to the tail may have fewer than +kReorderingThreshold number of packets sent after them. Loss of such packets +cannot be detected via Fast Retransmit. To enable ack-based loss detection of +such packets, receipt of an acknowledgment for the last outstanding packet +triggers the Early Retransmit process, as follows. + +If there are unacknowledged packets still pending, they ought to be how about "still pending when the last ackable packet is acknowledged" "ought to be" is sort of weak, how about "they must be declared lost." and drop the part about "since they are no subsequent packets to trigger a Fast Retransmit", since you say that in the preceding paragraph. > +{{!RFC4653}}, to improve QUIC's reordering resilience, though care should be +taken to map TCP specifics to QUIC correctly. Similarly, using time-based loss +detection to deal with reordering, such as in PR-TCP, should be more readily +usable in QUIC. Making QUIC deal with such networks is important open research, +and implementers are encouraged to explore this space. + +### Early Retransmit + +Unacknowledged packets close to the tail may have fewer than +kReorderingThreshold number of packets sent after them. Loss of such packets +cannot be detected via Fast Retransmit. To enable ack-based loss detection of +such packets, receipt of an acknowledgment for the last outstanding packet +triggers the Early Retransmit process, as follows. + +If there are unacknowledged packets still pending, they ought to be +retransmitted, since there are no subsequent packets to trigger a Fast Here you use retransmitted, where in other cases you use "marked as lost" or "declared lost", which I think is better. > +If there are unacknowledged packets still pending, they ought to be +retransmitted, since there are no subsequent packets to trigger a Fast +Retransmit. To compensate for the reduced reordering resilience, the sender +SHOULD set an alarm for a small period of time. If the unacknowledged packets +are not acknowledged during this time, then these packets are marked as lost. + +An endpoint SHOULD set the alarm such that a packet is marked as lost no earlier +than 1.25 * max(SRTT, latest_RTT) since when it was sent. + +Using max(SRTT, latest_RTT) protects from the two following cases: + +* the latest RTT sample is lower than the SRTT, perhaps due to reordering where +packet whose ack triggered the Early Retransit process encountered a shorter +path; + +* the SRTT is lower than the latest RTT sample, perhaps due to a sustained nit: I think it's easier to read if it's parallel and the latest RTT comes first in both statements, since you're mostly describing why the latest_rtt would have a smaller/larger value. > +without the alarm. This observation led Linux TCP implementers to implement an +alarm for TCP as well, and this document incorporates this advancement. + + +## Timer-based Detection + +Timer-based loss detection implements the spirit of TCP's Tail Loss Probe +and Retransmission Timeout mechanisms. + +### Tail Loss Probe + +The algorithm described in this section is an adaptation of the Tail Loss Probe +algorithm proposed for TCP {{!I-D.draft-dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}}. + +A packet sent at the tail is particularly vulnerable to slow loss detection, +since subsequent packets (and acks) are needed to trigger ack-based How about "since acks of subsequent packets are needed..." > +alarm when a tail packet is transmitted. When this alarm fires, a Tail Loss +Probe (TLP) packet is sent to evoke an acknowledgement from the receiver. + +The alarm duration, or Probe Timeout (PTO), is set based on the following +conditions: + +* If there is exactly one unacknowledged packet, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for + max(2*SRTT, 1.5*SRTT+kDelayedAckTimeout) + +* If there are more than one unacknowledged packets, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for + max(2*SRTT, 10ms). + +* If RTO is earlier, schedule a TLP alarm in its place. That is, PTO SHOULD be + scheduled for min(RTO, PTO). + +kDelayedAckTimeout is the worst case delayed ACK timer. When the is exactly one worst case is a bit misleading, given alarms can go off late. fix: "When there is" > + +* If there is exactly one unacknowledged packet, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for + max(2*SRTT, 1.5*SRTT+kDelayedAckTimeout) + +* If there are more than one unacknowledged packets, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for + max(2*SRTT, 10ms). + +* If RTO is earlier, schedule a TLP alarm in its place. That is, PTO SHOULD be + scheduled for min(RTO, PTO). + +kDelayedAckTimeout is the worst case delayed ACK timer. When the is exactly one +unacknowledged packet, the alarm duration includes time for an acknowledgment to +be received, and additionally, a kDelayedAckTimeout period to compensate for the +delayed acknowledgment timer at the receiver. + +The RECOMMENDED value for kDelayedAckTimeout is 25ms. As with Neal's new TCP proposal, QUIC should really have a default like 25ms, then allow negotiation. So maybe say "The RECOMMENDED default value for kDelayedAckTimeout is 25ms, though the transport allows for negotiation of different values." > + scheduled for min(RTO, PTO). + +kDelayedAckTimeout is the worst case delayed ACK timer. When the is exactly one +unacknowledged packet, the alarm duration includes time for an acknowledgment to +be received, and additionally, a kDelayedAckTimeout period to compensate for the +delayed acknowledgment timer at the receiver. + +The RECOMMENDED value for kDelayedAckTimeout is 25ms. + +A PTO value of at least 2*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. Using a PTO of +exactly 1*SRTT may generate spurious probes, and 2*SRTT is simply the next +integral value of RTT. + +(TODO: These values of 2 and 1.5 are a bit arbitrary. Reconsider these.) + +If the Retransmission Timeout (RTO, {{rto}}) is smaller than the computed PTO, It's a bit confusing that the RTO is a thing you do and a timeout value. Maybe call it RTO period when referring to the timeout value? > +unacknowledged packet, the alarm duration includes time for an acknowledgment to +be received, and additionally, a kDelayedAckTimeout period to compensate for the +delayed acknowledgment timer at the receiver. + +The RECOMMENDED value for kDelayedAckTimeout is 25ms. + +A PTO value of at least 2*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. Using a PTO of +exactly 1*SRTT may generate spurious probes, and 2*SRTT is simply the next +integral value of RTT. + +(TODO: These values of 2 and 1.5 are a bit arbitrary. Reconsider these.) + +If the Retransmission Timeout (RTO, {{rto}}) is smaller than the computed PTO, +then a PTO is scheduled for the smaller RTO period. + +To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender send two sequential TLP One could potentially read two sequential TLP packets as two packets in a row immediately. How about wording like "it is RECOMMENDED that the sender allow the TLP alarm to expire twice before setting an RTO alarm." > + +A PTO value of at least 2*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. Using a PTO of +exactly 1*SRTT may generate spurious probes, and 2*SRTT is simply the next +integral value of RTT. + +(TODO: These values of 2 and 1.5 are a bit arbitrary. Reconsider these.) + +If the Retransmission Timeout (RTO, {{rto}}) is smaller than the computed PTO, +then a PTO is scheduled for the smaller RTO period. + +To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender send two sequential TLP +packets before setting an RTO alarm. When the first TLP packet is sent, the TLP +alarm should be scheduled for a second TLP. On the second TLP packet, an RTO +alarm should be scheduled {{rto}}. + +A TLP packet SHOULD carry new data when available. If new data is unavailable, a is it worth acknowledging that flow control could prevent sending new data as well? Maybe "A TLP packet SHOULD carry new data when possible. If new data is unavailable or new data cannot be sent due to flow control, ..." > + +(TODO: These values of 2 and 1.5 are a bit arbitrary. Reconsider these.) + +If the Retransmission Timeout (RTO, {{rto}}) is smaller than the computed PTO, +then a PTO is scheduled for the smaller RTO period. + +To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender send two sequential TLP +packets before setting an RTO alarm. When the first TLP packet is sent, the TLP +alarm should be scheduled for a second TLP. On the second TLP packet, an RTO +alarm should be scheduled {{rto}}. + +A TLP packet SHOULD carry new data when available. If new data is unavailable, a +TLP packet MAY retransmit unacknowledged data to potentially reduce recovery +time. Since a TLP packet is sent as a probe into the network prior to +establishing any packet loss, prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked +as lost. as lost when the TLP packet is sent." > +time. Since a TLP packet is sent as a probe into the network prior to +establishing any packet loss, prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked +as lost. + +A TLP packet MUST NOT be blocked by the sender's congestion controller. The +sender MUST however count these bytes as additional bytes in flight, since a TLP +adds network load without establishing packet loss. + +A sender will commonly not know that a packet being sent is a tail packet. +Consequently, a sender may have to arm or adjust the TLP alarm on every sent packet. + +### Retransmission Timeout {#rto} + +A Retransmission Timeout (RTO) alarm is the final backstop for loss +detection. The algorithm used in QUIC is based on the RTO algorithm for TCP +{{!RFC5681}} and is additionally resilient to spurious RTOs. since you mention spurious RTOs, maybe reference 5682 as well? > +### Retransmission Timeout {#rto} + +A Retransmission Timeout (RTO) alarm is the final backstop for loss +detection. The algorithm used in QUIC is based on the RTO algorithm for TCP +{{!RFC5681}} and is additionally resilient to spurious RTOs. + +When the last TLP packet is sent, an alarm is scheduled for the RTO time. When +this alarm fires, the sender sends two Retransmission Timeout (RTO) packets, to +evoke acknowledgements from the receiver, and restarts the RTO alarm. + +Similar to TCP {{!RFC6298}}, the RTO alarm duration is set based on the +following conditions: + +* When the final TLP packet is sent, RTO is set to max(SRTT + 4*RTTVAR, minRTO) + +* When an RTO alarm fires, RTO is set to twice its current value. nit; "RTO is doubled." seems a bit less ambiguous. > +the network prior to establishing any packet loss, prior unacknowledged packets +SHOULD NOT be marked as lost. + +An RTO packet MUST NOT be blocked by the sender's congestion controller. A +sender MUST however count these bytes as additional bytes in flight, since an +RTO packet adds network load without establishing packet loss. + + +### Handshake Timeout + +Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are critical to +QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate alarm period is used for +them. + +The initial flight has no prior RTT sample. A client SHOULD remember +the previous RTT it observed when resumption is attempted and use that for an This is mostly a good recommendation, but if the client changes networks, does it still apply? > + + +### Handshake Timeout + +Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are critical to +QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate alarm period is used for +them. + +The initial flight has no prior RTT sample. A client SHOULD remember +the previous RTT it observed when resumption is attempted and use that for an +initial RTT value. If no previous RTT is available, the initial RTT defaults +to 100ms. + +Endpoints MUST retransmit handshake frames if not acknowledged within a +time limit. This time limit will start as the largest of twice the RTT value +and MinTLPTimeout. Each consecutive handshake retransmission doubles the MinTLPTimeout is not defined in this text, it's just used above as 10ms when calculating the TLP alarm. > +sender MUST however count these bytes as additional bytes in flight, since an +RTO packet adds network load without establishing packet loss. + + +### Handshake Timeout + +Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are critical to +QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate alarm period is used for +them. + +The initial flight has no prior RTT sample. A client SHOULD remember +the previous RTT it observed when resumption is attempted and use that for an +initial RTT value. If no previous RTT is available, the initial RTT defaults +to 100ms. + +Endpoints MUST retransmit handshake frames if not acknowledged within a Currently we retransmit "all unacknowledged handshake frames", so we should probably say that? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/801#pullrequestreview-65854911 ----==_mimepart_59cd0759294c2_1f3ce3feb89df0f346344 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Lots of comments, but I like the content and structure.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> -    TCP's Tail Loss Probe.
-
-  * If all else fails, a Retransmission Timeout (RTO) alarm is always set when
-    any retransmittable packet is outstanding. When this alarm fires, all
-    unacknowledged packets are marked as lost.
-
-  * Instead of a packet threshold to tolerate reordering, a QUIC sender may use
-    a time threshold. This allows for senders to be tolerant of short periods of
-    significant reordering. In this mechanism, a QUIC sender marks a packet as
-    lost when a larger packet number is acknowledged and a threshold amount of
-    time has passed since the packet was sent.
-
-  * Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are
-    critical to QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate alarm
-    period is used for them.
+QUIC uses both ack information and timeouts to detect lost packets, and this

Also, ack information and timeouts is correct, but not super-descriptive and it might be worth saying once that this is sender side, even though it's obvious to us. Maybe something like: "QUIC senders use both received acknowledgements and timeouts to detect and recover from lost packets. This section provides..."

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +
+## Computing the RTT estimate
+
+(To be filled)
+
+
+## Ack-based Detection
+
+Ack-based loss detection implements the spirit of TCP's Fast Retransmit
+{{!RFC5681}}, Early Retransmit {{!RFC5827}}, FACK, and SACK loss recovery
+{{!RFC6675}}. This section provides an overview of how these algorithms are
+implemented in QUIC.
+
+### Fast Retransmit
+
+An unacknowledged packet is marked as lost when an acknowledgment is received

Given I just had the conversation about "acknowledgement" and what it meant, do we need to clarify it somewhere in this doc?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +## Ack-based Detection
+
+Ack-based loss detection implements the spirit of TCP's Fast Retransmit
+{{!RFC5681}}, Early Retransmit {{!RFC5827}}, FACK, and SACK loss recovery
+{{!RFC6675}}. This section provides an overview of how these algorithms are
+implemented in QUIC.
+
+### Fast Retransmit
+
+An unacknowledged packet is marked as lost when an acknowledgment is received
+for a packet that was sent a threshold number of packets (kReorderingThreshold)
+after the unacknowledged packet. Receipt of the ack indicates that a later
+packet was received, while kReorderingThreshold provides some tolerance for
+reordering of packets in the network. 
+
+The RECOMMENDED value for kReorderingThreshold is 3.

RECOMMENDED initial value? Esp given you talk about changing it below.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +{{!RFC6675}}. This section provides an overview of how these algorithms are
+implemented in QUIC.
+
+### Fast Retransmit
+
+An unacknowledged packet is marked as lost when an acknowledgment is received
+for a packet that was sent a threshold number of packets (kReorderingThreshold)
+after the unacknowledged packet. Receipt of the ack indicates that a later
+packet was received, while kReorderingThreshold provides some tolerance for
+reordering of packets in the network. 
+
+The RECOMMENDED value for kReorderingThreshold is 3.
+
+We derive this default from recommendations for TCP loss recovery {{!RFC5681}}
+{{!RFC6675}}. It is possible for networks to exhibit higher degrees of
+reordering, causing a sender to spuriously detect losses. Spurious loss

nit: I think "detect spurious losses" reads a bit better, but I'm not sure.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +{{!RFC6675}}. This section provides an overview of how these algorithms are
+implemented in QUIC.
+
+### Fast Retransmit
+
+An unacknowledged packet is marked as lost when an acknowledgment is received
+for a packet that was sent a threshold number of packets (kReorderingThreshold)
+after the unacknowledged packet. Receipt of the ack indicates that a later
+packet was received, while kReorderingThreshold provides some tolerance for
+reordering of packets in the network. 
+
+The RECOMMENDED value for kReorderingThreshold is 3.
+
+We derive this default from recommendations for TCP loss recovery {{!RFC5681}}
+{{!RFC6675}}. It is possible for networks to exhibit higher degrees of
+reordering, causing a sender to spuriously detect losses. Spurious loss

Also, Spurious loss detection is sort of odd. I'd go with "Detecting spurious losses leads..."

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +reordering, causing a sender to spuriously detect losses. Spurious loss
+detection leads to unnecessary retransmissions and may result in degraded
+performance due to the actions of the congestion controller upon detecting
+loss. Implementers MAY use algorithms developed for TCP, such as TCP-NCR
+{{!RFC4653}}, to improve QUIC's reordering resilience, though care should be
+taken to map TCP specifics to QUIC correctly. Similarly, using time-based loss
+detection to deal with reordering, such as in PR-TCP, should be more readily
+usable in QUIC. Making QUIC deal with such networks is important open research,
+and implementers are encouraged to explore this space.
+
+### Early Retransmit
+
+Unacknowledged packets close to the tail may have fewer than
+kReorderingThreshold number of packets sent after them. Loss of such packets
+cannot be detected via Fast Retransmit. To enable ack-based loss detection of
+such packets, receipt of an acknowledgment for the last outstanding packet

Do you want to clarify that it's the last outstanding ackable packet?

Also, now that I read through this, it seems like it'd be worth doing early retransmit for any packets within kReorderingThreshold from the tail, but that's a sidethought.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +loss. Implementers MAY use algorithms developed for TCP, such as TCP-NCR
+{{!RFC4653}}, to improve QUIC's reordering resilience, though care should be
+taken to map TCP specifics to QUIC correctly. Similarly, using time-based loss
+detection to deal with reordering, such as in PR-TCP, should be more readily
+usable in QUIC. Making QUIC deal with such networks is important open research,
+and implementers are encouraged to explore this space.
+
+### Early Retransmit
+
+Unacknowledged packets close to the tail may have fewer than
+kReorderingThreshold number of packets sent after them. Loss of such packets
+cannot be detected via Fast Retransmit. To enable ack-based loss detection of
+such packets, receipt of an acknowledgment for the last outstanding packet
+triggers the Early Retransmit process, as follows.
+
+If there are unacknowledged packets still pending, they ought to be

how about "still pending when the last ackable packet is acknowledged"

"ought to be" is sort of weak, how about "they must be declared lost." and drop the part about "since they are no subsequent packets to trigger a Fast Retransmit", since you say that in the preceding paragraph.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +{{!RFC4653}}, to improve QUIC's reordering resilience, though care should be
+taken to map TCP specifics to QUIC correctly. Similarly, using time-based loss
+detection to deal with reordering, such as in PR-TCP, should be more readily
+usable in QUIC. Making QUIC deal with such networks is important open research,
+and implementers are encouraged to explore this space.
+
+### Early Retransmit
+
+Unacknowledged packets close to the tail may have fewer than
+kReorderingThreshold number of packets sent after them. Loss of such packets
+cannot be detected via Fast Retransmit. To enable ack-based loss detection of
+such packets, receipt of an acknowledgment for the last outstanding packet
+triggers the Early Retransmit process, as follows.
+
+If there are unacknowledged packets still pending, they ought to be
+retransmitted, since there are no subsequent packets to trigger a Fast

Here you use retransmitted, where in other cases you use "marked as lost" or "declared lost", which I think is better.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +If there are unacknowledged packets still pending, they ought to be
+retransmitted, since there are no subsequent packets to trigger a Fast
+Retransmit. To compensate for the reduced reordering resilience, the sender
+SHOULD set an alarm for a small period of time. If the unacknowledged packets
+are not acknowledged during this time, then these packets are marked as lost.
+
+An endpoint SHOULD set the alarm such that a packet is marked as lost no earlier
+than 1.25 * max(SRTT, latest_RTT) since when it was sent. 
+
+Using max(SRTT, latest_RTT) protects from the two following cases:
+
+* the latest RTT sample is lower than the SRTT, perhaps due to reordering where
+packet whose ack triggered the Early Retransit process encountered a shorter
+path;
+
+* the SRTT is lower than the latest RTT sample, perhaps due to a sustained

nit: I think it's easier to read if it's parallel and the latest RTT comes first in both statements, since you're mostly describing why the latest_rtt would have a smaller/larger value.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +without the alarm. This observation led Linux TCP implementers to implement an
+alarm for TCP as well, and this document incorporates this advancement.
+
+
+## Timer-based Detection
+
+Timer-based loss detection implements the spirit of TCP's Tail Loss Probe
+and Retransmission Timeout mechanisms.
+
+### Tail Loss Probe
+
+The algorithm described in this section is an adaptation of the Tail Loss Probe
+algorithm proposed for TCP {{!I-D.draft-dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}}.
+
+A packet sent at the tail is particularly vulnerable to slow loss detection,
+since subsequent packets (and acks) are needed to trigger ack-based

How about "since acks of subsequent packets are needed..."

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +alarm when a tail packet is transmitted. When this alarm fires, a Tail Loss
+Probe (TLP) packet is sent to evoke an acknowledgement from the receiver.
+
+The alarm duration, or Probe Timeout (PTO), is set based on the following
+conditions:
+
+* If there is exactly one unacknowledged packet, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for
+  max(2*SRTT, 1.5*SRTT+kDelayedAckTimeout)
+
+* If there are more than one unacknowledged packets, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for
+  max(2*SRTT, 10ms).
+
+* If RTO is earlier, schedule a TLP alarm in its place. That is, PTO SHOULD be
+  scheduled for min(RTO, PTO).
+
+kDelayedAckTimeout is the worst case delayed ACK timer.  When the is exactly one

worst case is a bit misleading, given alarms can go off late.

fix: "When there is"

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +
+* If there is exactly one unacknowledged packet, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for
+  max(2*SRTT, 1.5*SRTT+kDelayedAckTimeout)
+
+* If there are more than one unacknowledged packets, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for
+  max(2*SRTT, 10ms).
+
+* If RTO is earlier, schedule a TLP alarm in its place. That is, PTO SHOULD be
+  scheduled for min(RTO, PTO).
+
+kDelayedAckTimeout is the worst case delayed ACK timer.  When the is exactly one
+unacknowledged packet, the alarm duration includes time for an acknowledgment to
+be received, and additionally, a kDelayedAckTimeout period to compensate for the
+delayed acknowledgment timer at the receiver.
+
+The RECOMMENDED value for kDelayedAckTimeout is 25ms.

As with Neal's new TCP proposal, QUIC should really have a default like 25ms, then allow negotiation. So maybe say "The RECOMMENDED default value for kDelayedAckTimeout is 25ms, though the transport allows for negotiation of different values."

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +  scheduled for min(RTO, PTO).
+
+kDelayedAckTimeout is the worst case delayed ACK timer.  When the is exactly one
+unacknowledged packet, the alarm duration includes time for an acknowledgment to
+be received, and additionally, a kDelayedAckTimeout period to compensate for the
+delayed acknowledgment timer at the receiver.
+
+The RECOMMENDED value for kDelayedAckTimeout is 25ms.
+
+A PTO value of at least 2*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. Using a PTO of
+exactly 1*SRTT may generate spurious probes, and 2*SRTT is simply the next
+integral value of RTT.
+
+(TODO: These values of 2 and 1.5 are a bit arbitrary. Reconsider these.)
+
+If the Retransmission Timeout (RTO, {{rto}}) is smaller than the computed PTO,

It's a bit confusing that the RTO is a thing you do and a timeout value. Maybe call it RTO period when referring to the timeout value?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +unacknowledged packet, the alarm duration includes time for an acknowledgment to
+be received, and additionally, a kDelayedAckTimeout period to compensate for the
+delayed acknowledgment timer at the receiver.
+
+The RECOMMENDED value for kDelayedAckTimeout is 25ms.
+
+A PTO value of at least 2*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. Using a PTO of
+exactly 1*SRTT may generate spurious probes, and 2*SRTT is simply the next
+integral value of RTT.
+
+(TODO: These values of 2 and 1.5 are a bit arbitrary. Reconsider these.)
+
+If the Retransmission Timeout (RTO, {{rto}}) is smaller than the computed PTO,
+then a PTO is scheduled for the smaller RTO period.
+
+To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender send two sequential TLP

One could potentially read two sequential TLP packets as two packets in a row immediately. How about wording like "it is RECOMMENDED that the sender allow the TLP alarm to expire twice before setting an RTO alarm."

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +
+A PTO value of at least 2*SRTT ensures that the ACK is overdue. Using a PTO of
+exactly 1*SRTT may generate spurious probes, and 2*SRTT is simply the next
+integral value of RTT.
+
+(TODO: These values of 2 and 1.5 are a bit arbitrary. Reconsider these.)
+
+If the Retransmission Timeout (RTO, {{rto}}) is smaller than the computed PTO,
+then a PTO is scheduled for the smaller RTO period.
+
+To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender send two sequential TLP
+packets before setting an RTO alarm. When the first TLP packet is sent, the TLP
+alarm should be scheduled for a second TLP. On the second TLP packet, an RTO
+alarm should be scheduled {{rto}}.
+
+A TLP packet SHOULD carry new data when available. If new data is unavailable, a

is it worth acknowledging that flow control could prevent sending new data as well?

Maybe "A TLP packet SHOULD carry new data when possible. If new data is unavailable or new data cannot be sent due to flow control, ..."

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +
+(TODO: These values of 2 and 1.5 are a bit arbitrary. Reconsider these.)
+
+If the Retransmission Timeout (RTO, {{rto}}) is smaller than the computed PTO,
+then a PTO is scheduled for the smaller RTO period.
+
+To reduce latency, it is RECOMMENDED that the sender send two sequential TLP
+packets before setting an RTO alarm. When the first TLP packet is sent, the TLP
+alarm should be scheduled for a second TLP. On the second TLP packet, an RTO
+alarm should be scheduled {{rto}}.
+
+A TLP packet SHOULD carry new data when available. If new data is unavailable, a
+TLP packet MAY retransmit unacknowledged data to potentially reduce recovery
+time. Since a TLP packet is sent as a probe into the network prior to
+establishing any packet loss, prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked
+as lost.

as lost when the TLP packet is sent."

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +time. Since a TLP packet is sent as a probe into the network prior to
+establishing any packet loss, prior unacknowledged packets SHOULD NOT be marked
+as lost.
+
+A TLP packet MUST NOT be blocked by the sender's congestion controller. The
+sender MUST however count these bytes as additional bytes in flight, since a TLP
+adds network load without establishing packet loss.
+
+A sender will commonly not know that a packet being sent is a tail packet.
+Consequently, a sender may have to arm or adjust the TLP alarm on every sent packet.
+
+### Retransmission Timeout {#rto}
+
+A Retransmission Timeout (RTO) alarm is the final backstop for loss
+detection. The algorithm used in QUIC is based on the RTO algorithm for TCP
+{{!RFC5681}} and is additionally resilient to spurious RTOs.

since you mention spurious RTOs, maybe reference 5682 as well?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +### Retransmission Timeout {#rto}
+
+A Retransmission Timeout (RTO) alarm is the final backstop for loss
+detection. The algorithm used in QUIC is based on the RTO algorithm for TCP
+{{!RFC5681}} and is additionally resilient to spurious RTOs.
+
+When the last TLP packet is sent, an alarm is scheduled for the RTO time. When
+this alarm fires, the sender sends two Retransmission Timeout (RTO) packets, to
+evoke acknowledgements from the receiver, and restarts the RTO alarm.
+
+Similar to TCP {{!RFC6298}}, the RTO alarm duration is set based on the
+following conditions:
+
+* When the final TLP packet is sent, RTO is set to max(SRTT + 4*RTTVAR, minRTO)
+
+* When an RTO alarm fires, RTO is set to twice its current value.

nit; "RTO is doubled." seems a bit less ambiguous.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +the network prior to establishing any packet loss, prior unacknowledged packets
+SHOULD NOT be marked as lost.
+
+An RTO packet MUST NOT be blocked by the sender's congestion controller. A
+sender MUST however count these bytes as additional bytes in flight, since an
+RTO packet adds network load without establishing packet loss.
+
+
+### Handshake Timeout
+
+Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are critical to
+QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate alarm period is used for
+them.
+
+The initial flight has no prior RTT sample.  A client SHOULD remember
+the previous RTT it observed when resumption is attempted and use that for an

This is mostly a good recommendation, but if the client changes networks, does it still apply?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +
+
+### Handshake Timeout
+
+Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are critical to
+QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate alarm period is used for
+them.
+
+The initial flight has no prior RTT sample.  A client SHOULD remember
+the previous RTT it observed when resumption is attempted and use that for an
+initial RTT value.  If no previous RTT is available, the initial RTT defaults
+to 100ms.
+
+Endpoints MUST retransmit handshake frames if not acknowledged within a
+time limit. This time limit will start as the largest of twice the RTT value
+and MinTLPTimeout.  Each consecutive handshake retransmission doubles the

MinTLPTimeout is not defined in this text, it's just used above as 10ms when calculating the TLP alarm.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +sender MUST however count these bytes as additional bytes in flight, since an
+RTO packet adds network load without establishing packet loss.
+
+
+### Handshake Timeout
+
+Handshake packets, which contain STREAM frames for stream 0, are critical to
+QUIC transport and crypto negotiation, so a separate alarm period is used for
+them.
+
+The initial flight has no prior RTT sample.  A client SHOULD remember
+the previous RTT it observed when resumption is attempted and use that for an
+initial RTT value.  If no previous RTT is available, the initial RTT defaults
+to 100ms.
+
+Endpoints MUST retransmit handshake frames if not acknowledged within a

Currently we retransmit "all unacknowledged handshake frames", so we should probably say that?

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Thanks, ekr, LGTM, but a couple of comments. > @@ -2759,10 +2759,16 @@ ordered byte-stream. Data received out of order MUST be buffered for later delivery, as long as it is not in violation of the receiver's flow control limits. -An endpoint MUST NOT send data on any stream without ensuring that it is within -the data limits set by its peer. The cryptographic handshake stream, Stream 0, -is exempt from the connection-level data limits established by MAX_DATA. Stream -0 is still subject to stream-level data limits and MAX_STREAM_DATA. +An endpoint MUST NOT send data on any stream without ensuring that it +is within the data limits set by its peer. The cryptographic +handshake stream, Stream 0, is exempt from the connection-level data +limits established by MAX_DATA. Data on stream 0 other than the +TLS ClientHello is still subject to stream-level data limits and +MAX_STREAM_DATA. The TLS ClientHello is exempt from flow control because it needs +to be sent in one piece regardless of the server's flow control I don't understand this phrase: "it needs to be sent in one piece". Do you mean that it needs to fit within a single packet (because we do require that, in Section 7.2.) If so, can you use the same language as in 7.2 (" initial cryptographic handshake message MUST be sent in a single packet")? > @@ -2759,10 +2759,16 @@ ordered byte-stream. Data received out of order MUST be buffered for later delivery, as long as it is not in violation of the receiver's flow control limits. -An endpoint MUST NOT send data on any stream without ensuring that it is within -the data limits set by its peer. The cryptographic handshake stream, Stream 0, -is exempt from the connection-level data limits established by MAX_DATA. Stream -0 is still subject to stream-level data limits and MAX_STREAM_DATA. +An endpoint MUST NOT send data on any stream without ensuring that it +is within the data limits set by its peer. The cryptographic +handshake stream, Stream 0, is exempt from the connection-level data +limits established by MAX_DATA. Data on stream 0 other than the +TLS ClientHello is still subject to stream-level data limits and +MAX_STREAM_DATA. The TLS ClientHello is exempt from flow control because it needs +to be sent in one piece regardless of the server's flow control +state. This rule applies even for 0-RTT handshakes where the +remembered value of MAX_STREAM_DATA would not permit sending nit: "would not permit" --> "does not permit" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Thanks, ekr, LGTM, but a couple of comments.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2759,10 +2759,16 @@ ordered byte-stream.  Data received out of order MUST be buffered for later
 delivery, as long as it is not in violation of the receiver's flow control
 limits.
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT send data on any stream without ensuring that it is within
-the data limits set by its peer.  The cryptographic handshake stream, Stream 0,
-is exempt from the connection-level data limits established by MAX_DATA.  Stream
-0 is still subject to stream-level data limits and MAX_STREAM_DATA.
+An endpoint MUST NOT send data on any stream without ensuring that it
+is within the data limits set by its peer.  The cryptographic
+handshake stream, Stream 0, is exempt from the connection-level data
+limits established by MAX_DATA. Data on stream 0 other than the
+TLS ClientHello is still subject to stream-level data limits and
+MAX_STREAM_DATA. The TLS ClientHello is exempt from flow control because it needs
+to be sent in one piece regardless of the server's flow control

I don't understand this phrase: "it needs to be sent in one piece". Do you mean that it needs to fit within a single packet (because we do require that, in Section 7.2.) If so, can you use the same language as in 7.2 (" initial cryptographic handshake message MUST be sent in a single packet")?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2759,10 +2759,16 @@ ordered byte-stream.  Data received out of order MUST be buffered for later
 delivery, as long as it is not in violation of the receiver's flow control
 limits.
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT send data on any stream without ensuring that it is within
-the data limits set by its peer.  The cryptographic handshake stream, Stream 0,
-is exempt from the connection-level data limits established by MAX_DATA.  Stream
-0 is still subject to stream-level data limits and MAX_STREAM_DATA.
+An endpoint MUST NOT send data on any stream without ensuring that it
+is within the data limits set by its peer.  The cryptographic
+handshake stream, Stream 0, is exempt from the connection-level data
+limits established by MAX_DATA. Data on stream 0 other than the
+TLS ClientHello is still subject to stream-level data limits and
+MAX_STREAM_DATA. The TLS ClientHello is exempt from flow control because it needs
+to be sent in one piece regardless of the server's flow control
+state. This rule applies even for 0-RTT handshakes where the
+remembered value of MAX_STREAM_DATA would not permit sending

nit: "would not permit" --> "does not permit"

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The current text says that one ought to retransmit MAX_STREAM_DATA:

   o  All application data sent in STREAM frames MUST be retransmitted,
      unless the endpoint has sent a RST_STREAM for that stream.  When
      an endpoint sends a RST_STREAM frame, data outstanding on that
      stream SHOULD NOT be retransmitted, since subsequent data on this
      stream is expected to not be delivered by the receiver.

   o  ACK and PADDING frames MUST NOT be retransmitted.  ACK frames
      containing updated information will be sent as described in
      Section 8.13.

   o  STOP_SENDING frames MUST be retransmitted, unless the stream has
      become closed in the appropriate direction.  See Section 10.3.
   o  All other frames MUST be retransmitted.

But this is silly. Say I transmitted MAX_STREAM_DATA=100, MAX_STREAM_DATA=200, MAX_STREAM_DATA=300 and then none of them were acknowledged. Why am I retransmitting frames which must be ignored.

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Agreed, this is silly.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2759,10 +2759,16 @@ ordered byte-stream.  Data received out of order MUST be buffered for later
 delivery, as long as it is not in violation of the receiver's flow control
 limits.
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT send data on any stream without ensuring that it is within
-the data limits set by its peer.  The cryptographic handshake stream, Stream 0,
-is exempt from the connection-level data limits established by MAX_DATA.  Stream
-0 is still subject to stream-level data limits and MAX_STREAM_DATA.
+An endpoint MUST NOT send data on any stream without ensuring that it
+is within the data limits set by its peer.  The cryptographic
+handshake stream, Stream 0, is exempt from the connection-level data
+limits established by MAX_DATA. Data on stream 0 other than the
+TLS ClientHello is still subject to stream-level data limits and
+MAX_STREAM_DATA. The TLS ClientHello is exempt from flow control because it needs
+to be sent in one piece regardless of the server's flow control

Done.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2759,10 +2759,16 @@ ordered byte-stream.  Data received out of order MUST be buffered for later
 delivery, as long as it is not in violation of the receiver's flow control
 limits.
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT send data on any stream without ensuring that it is within
-the data limits set by its peer.  The cryptographic handshake stream, Stream 0,
-is exempt from the connection-level data limits established by MAX_DATA.  Stream
-0 is still subject to stream-level data limits and MAX_STREAM_DATA.
+An endpoint MUST NOT send data on any stream without ensuring that it
+is within the data limits set by its peer.  The cryptographic
+handshake stream, Stream 0, is exempt from the connection-level data
+limits established by MAX_DATA. Data on stream 0 other than the
+TLS ClientHello is still subject to stream-level data limits and
+MAX_STREAM_DATA. The TLS ClientHello is exempt from flow control because it needs
+to be sent in one piece regardless of the server's flow control
+state. This rule applies even for 0-RTT handshakes where the
+remembered value of MAX_STREAM_DATA would not permit sending

I made the change, but I actually think this is wrong because this is a counterfactual. I.e., it wouldn't permit it if taken literally, but we do not.

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This is silly. We could say something along the lines of "the newest MAX_STREAM_DATA and MAX_DATA MUST be retransmitted until acked; all other previous flow control advertisements SHOULD NOT be retransmitted."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2759,10 +2759,16 @@ ordered byte-stream.  Data received out of order MUST be buffered for later
 delivery, as long as it is not in violation of the receiver's flow control
 limits.
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT send data on any stream without ensuring that it is within
-the data limits set by its peer.  The cryptographic handshake stream, Stream 0,
-is exempt from the connection-level data limits established by MAX_DATA.  Stream
-0 is still subject to stream-level data limits and MAX_STREAM_DATA.
+An endpoint MUST NOT send data on any stream without ensuring that it
+is within the data limits set by its peer.  The cryptographic
+handshake stream, Stream 0, is exempt from the connection-level data
+limits established by MAX_DATA. Data on stream 0 other than the
+TLS ClientHello is still subject to stream-level data limits and
+MAX_STREAM_DATA. The TLS ClientHello is exempt from flow control because it needs
+to be sent in one piece regardless of the server's flow control
+state. This rule applies even for 0-RTT handshakes where the
+remembered value of MAX_STREAM_DATA would not permit sending

Ah, right, good point. Your wording seems better, so go with it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2759,10 +2759,16 @@ ordered byte-stream.  Data received out of order MUST be buffered for later
 delivery, as long as it is not in violation of the receiver's flow control
 limits.
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT send data on any stream without ensuring that it is within
-the data limits set by its peer.  The cryptographic handshake stream, Stream 0,
-is exempt from the connection-level data limits established by MAX_DATA.  Stream
-0 is still subject to stream-level data limits and MAX_STREAM_DATA.
+An endpoint MUST NOT send data on any stream without ensuring that it
+is within the data limits set by its peer.  The cryptographic
+handshake stream, Stream 0, is exempt from the connection-level data
+limits established by MAX_DATA. Data on stream 0 other than the
+TLS ClientHello is still subject to stream-level data limits and

editorial nit: Can you say "initial cryptographic message from the client" instead of TLS ClientHello, for consistency (here and below)?

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----==_mimepart_59cd6b176b958_f6b3fb268794f2888499-- From nobody Thu Sep 28 14:56:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB13D1349E1 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2017 14:56:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q5ZhRQtmvHIT for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2017 14:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2b-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext3.iad.github.net [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37ECD1349ED for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2017 14:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 14:56:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1506635762; bh=Jngj1CAlHteIFMHMdYnJYmxrYZXaLWAAvTjLazPoOhc=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LEhwLq2USKIIvgSr43jyJt0nukcOg7I5W3qeMVwbqGJYScBdGJuG+SNdLpccHEAG2 8DDa8SsGoLk2i8yGFOeqXLop0Fic+wDt0w7Ls2RUS4/7FTS0+vaAS8tZAzLMkpy9rl w02xZRHLxFLa39kWbVWmJHxvLTRbGNig4Aupl/5w= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ECN echo encoding, detailed packet level or ECN marked bytes (#805) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59cd6ff28a4ca_41133f81552cef289252"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 21:56:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59cd6ff28a4ca_41133f81552cef289252 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think I understand option 2. From the doc, it seems to be a count of the different markings for the packets that are being acked in the ACK frame, is that correct? If so, that seems fine. We don't really care about exactly which packets were marked, right? Of course, one thing to bear in mind is that a receiver can arbitrarily keep sending acks for old packets, and therefore could echo ECE for an arbitrarily long time. I'm not sure if this leads to any issues yet, but it's something that one may need to be careful about when interpreting the ECE marks on a received ack. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/805#issuecomment-332975108 ----==_mimepart_59cd6ff28a4ca_41133f81552cef289252 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think I understand option 2. From the doc, it seems to be a c= ount of the different markings for the packets that are being acked in th= e ACK frame, is that correct?

If so, that seems fine. We don't really care about exactly which packe= ts were marked, right? Of course, one thing to bear in mind is that a rec= eiver can arbitrarily keep sending acks for old packets, and therefore co= uld echo ECE for an arbitrarily long time. I'm not sure if this leads to = any issues yet, but it's something that one may need to be careful about = when interpreting the ECE marks on a received ack.

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Actually, here's a case: #ECE remains the same across two acks, but the = ack stops acking an old packet and acks a new packet. This could mean two t= hings: the old packet and the new packet both had no ECE, or they both had = ECE. In the first case there's nothing to be done, but in the second case, = the receiver of the ack may want to reduce the window, since the new packet= could be part of a new window of data.

I think this problem applies to both alternatives.

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We have the same problem with all frame types that are used to carry data that needs to be reliably delivered to the other side, why not fix it systematically rather than piecemeal. The text above shows that we've done that for STREAM and ACK. The only frame that doesn't carry information that needs to be reliably delivered is PADDING. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/806#issuecomment-332983020 ----==_mimepart_59cd79f8f3ae2_f933fd419702f3897777 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Or as I have said on numerous occasions, we should rewrite this section = so that it concentrates on the retransmission of the information c= ontained in frames rather than the frames themselves. We have the same pro= blem with all frame types that are used to carry data that needs to be reli= ably delivered to the other side, why not fix it systematically rather than= piecemeal. The text above shows that we've done that for STREAM and ACK. = The only frame that doesn't carry information that needs to be reliably de= livered is PADDING.

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I haven't looked closely at the doc, but I assumed that the total count = of packets/bytes marked is monotonically increasing and eventually wraps. = So there's no issue if a marked packet stops being acknowledged, because th= e total count of marks received never decreases.

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We could change it to "MAY" but a debugging frame is useless if it isn't sent. What's the harm in requiring that it be sent?

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@ekr commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2420,6 +2420,12 @@ When a packet is detected as lost, the sender re-sends any frames as necessary:
 * STOP_SENDING frames MUST be retransmitted, unless the stream has become closed
   in the appropriate direction.  See {{solicited-state-transitions}}.
 
+* The most recent MAX_STREAM_DATA frame for a stream MUST be retransmitted. Any
+  previous unacknowledged MAX_STREAM_DATA frame for the same stream SHOULD NOT
+  be retransmitted since a newer MAX_STREAM_DATA frame for a stream obviates the
+  need for delivering older ones. Similarly, the most recent MAX_DATA frame MUST
+  be retransmitted; previous unacknowledged ones SHOULD NOT be retransmitted.

I am starting to think it's a mistake to phrase this in terms of frames at all. It's the information you want to retransmit. It seems like there are lots of cases where you would be constantly updating your willingness to receive (if, say, you want to continue offering a given buffer size) but you only transmit occasionally. If I have to retransmit, why would I want to advertise stale data rather than the most current data.

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This means three 48-bit counters (or 64 bit if that is easier), in other words monotonically increasing counters, with possible wrap around. The LSB of these counters are put in the ECN ACK. The details are subject to discussion... What is neccessary is a mechanism that discards duplicate packets to avoid that duplicates increase the counters more than once. The fact that the counters can wrap around is not a problem as the congestion control should only care about the delta increase of the CE marked bytes. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/805#issuecomment-333045840 ----==_mimepart_59cded937d9df_dd8b3f9fe287ef30109d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, for option 2 the idea is that the receiver accumulates the bytes (Q= UIC header+payload) that are marked ECT(0), ECT(1) and CE. This means three= 48-bit counters (or 64 bit if that is easier), in other words monotonicall= y increasing counters, with possible wrap around. The LSB of these counters= are put in the ECN ACK. The details are subject to discussion...
What is neccessary is a mechanism that discards duplicate packets to avoid = that duplicates increase the counters more than once.
The fact that the counters can wrap around is not a problem as the congesti= on control should only care about the delta increase of the CE marked bytes= .

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +* When an RTO alarm fires, RTO is set to twice its current value.
+
+The sender typically incurs a high latency penalty when an RTO is encountered,
+and this penalty increases exponentially in subsequent consecutive RTOs. Sending
+a single RTO packet therefore makes the connection very sensitive to single
+packet loss. Sending two packets instead of one significantly increases
+resilience to packet drop in both directions, thus reducing the probability of
+consecutive RTOs.
+
+QUIC's RTO algorithm differs from TCP in that an RTO alarm event is not
+considered a strong enough signal of packet loss. An RTO alarm fires only when
+there's a prolonged period of network silence, which could be caused by a change
+in the underlying network RTT.
+
+When an ack is received after one or more consecutive RTO alarm events, any
+packets with lower packet numbers than those acked MUST be marked as lost.

Does this apply even if the ACK doesn't ACK the RTO packets, i.e. was an earlier delayed ACK?

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Sending +a single RTO packet therefore makes the connection very sensitive to single +packet loss. Sending two packets instead of one significantly increases +resilience to packet drop in both directions, thus reducing the probability of +consecutive RTOs. + +QUIC's RTO algorithm differs from TCP in that an RTO alarm event is not +considered a strong enough signal of packet loss. An RTO alarm fires only when +there's a prolonged period of network silence, which could be caused by a change +in the underlying network RTT. + +When an ack is received after one or more consecutive RTO alarm events, any +packets with lower packet numbers than those acked MUST be marked as lost. Good point, I think it should not. In that case, we should fall out of RTO mode and go back into standard ack based recovery. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +* When an RTO alarm fires, RTO is set to twice its current value.
+
+The sender typically incurs a high latency penalty when an RTO is encountered,
+and this penalty increases exponentially in subsequent consecutive RTOs. Sending
+a single RTO packet therefore makes the connection very sensitive to single
+packet loss. Sending two packets instead of one significantly increases
+resilience to packet drop in both directions, thus reducing the probability of
+consecutive RTOs.
+
+QUIC's RTO algorithm differs from TCP in that an RTO alarm event is not
+considered a strong enough signal of packet loss. An RTO alarm fires only when
+there's a prolonged period of network silence, which could be caused by a change
+in the underlying network RTT.
+
+When an ack is received after one or more consecutive RTO alarm events, any
+packets with lower packet numbers than those acked MUST be marked as lost.

Good point, I think it should not. In that case, we should fall out of RTO mode and go back into standard ack based recovery.

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Duplicate packet numbers should be discarded at a very early stage in QUIC packet processing, long before any of the congestion control code is executed, so I believe duplicate packets should not handled for you.

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On 29 September 2017 at 14.37.26, ianswett (notifications@github.com) wro= te:

*@ianswett* commented on this pull request.
------------------------------

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md
<https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/807#discussion_r141857547&= gt;:

> @@ -2420,6 +2420,12 @@ When a packet is detected as lost, the sender= re-sends any frames as necessary:
* STOP_SENDING frames MUST be retransmitted, unless the stream has
become closed
in the appropriate direction. See {{solicited-state-transitions}}.
+* The most recent MAX_STREAM_DATA frame for a stream MUST be retransmitt= ed. Any
+ previous unacknowledged MAX_STREAM_DATA frame for the same stream SHOU= LD NOT
+ be retransmitted since a newer MAX_STREAM_DATA frame for a stream
obviates the
+ need for delivering older ones. Similarly, the most recent MAX_DATA frame MUST
+ be retransmitted; previous unacknowledged ones SHOULD NOT be retransmi= tted.

Agreed. Anytime the words "retransmit frame" appear in the text= , it's
probably an error. And the phrase 'retransmit packet' should occu= r twice:
Once to tell you not to do it and once to tell you can do it for connecti= on
close packets only.

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On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:36 AM, MikkelFJ wrote: > What if the connection close packet has other content? > > Kind Regards, > Mikkel Fahn=C3=B8e J=C3=B8rgensen > > > On 29 September 2017 at 14.37.26, ianswett (notifications@github.com) > wrote: > > *@ianswett* commented on this pull request. > ------------------------------ > > In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md > : > > > @@ -2420,6 +2420,12 @@ When a packet is detected as lost, the sender > re-sends any frames as necessary: > * STOP_SENDING frames MUST be retransmitted, unless the stream has > become closed > in the appropriate direction. See {{solicited-state-transitions}}. > > +* The most recent MAX_STREAM_DATA frame for a stream MUST be > retransmitted. Any > + previous unacknowledged MAX_STREAM_DATA frame for the same stream SHOULD > NOT > + be retransmitted since a newer MAX_STREAM_DATA frame for a stream > obviates the > + need for delivering older ones. Similarly, the most recent MAX_DATA > frame MUST > + be retransmitted; previous unacknowledged ones SHOULD NOT be > retransmitted. > > Agreed. Anytime the words "retransmit frame" appear in the text, it's > probably an error. And the phrase 'retransmit packet' should occur twice: > Once to tell you not to do it and once to tell you can do it for connecti= on > close packets only. > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute > the thread > AALzN2jEfOdKqCcVhKBQTurnDVsWUdX_ks5snOSFgaJpZM4Pn6qc> > . > > =E2=80=94 > You are receiving this because you were mentioned. > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > , > or mute the thread > > . > --=20 You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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don't think it'd cause issues to retransmit a connection close pack= et that
happened to have other content in it.

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> What if the connection close packet has other content?
>
> Kind Regards,
> Mikkel Fahn=C3=B8e J=C3=B8rgensen
>
>
> On 29 September 2017 at 14.37.26, ianswett (notifications@github.com)<= br> > wrote:
>
> *@ianswett* commented on this pull request.
> ------------------------------
>
> In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md
> <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/807#discussion_r1418575= 47>:
>
> > @@ -2420,6 +2420,12 @@ When a packet is detected as lost, the sen= der
> re-sends any frames as necessary:
> * STOP_SENDING frames MUST be retransmitted, unless the stream has
> become closed
> in the appropriate direction. See {{solicited-state-transitions}}.
>
> +* The most recent MAX_STREAM_DATA frame for a stream MUST be
> retransmitted. Any
> + previous unacknowledged MAX_STREAM_DATA frame for the same stream SH= OULD
> NOT
> + be retransmitted since a newer MAX_STREAM_DATA frame for a stream
> obviates the
> + need for delivering older ones. Similarly, the most recent MAX_DATA<= br> > frame MUST
> + be retransmitted; previous unacknowledged ones SHOULD NOT be
> retransmitted.
>
> Agreed. Anytime the words "retransmit frame" appear in the t= ext, it's
> probably an error. And the phrase 'retransmit packet' should o= ccur twice:
> Once to tell you not to do it and once to tell you can do it for conne= ction
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Ah, yes, if it's monotonically increasing, then that seems fine. I agree that duplicates should not be an issue.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -670,7 +670,8 @@ field for a 0-RTT packet is selected by the client.
 The client can send 0-RTT packets after having received a packet from the server
 if that packet does not complete the handshake.  Even if the client receives a
 different connection ID from the server, it MUST NOT update the connection ID it
-uses for 0-RTT packets.  This enables consistent routing for all 0-RTT packets.
+uses for 0-RTT packets.  This ensures a predictable origin of connection IDs for
+all 0-RTT packets, see {{connection-id}}.

What I meant to say is that we are trying to make all packets of a particular type to always have CCID or SCID. Mentioning "routing" here seems out of place -- network elements can use CID for whatever purpose they like, including routing.

I'll reword this.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 When the server receives a Client Initial packet and decides to proceed with the
 handshake, it chooses a new value for the connection ID and sends that in a
 Server Cleartext packet.  The server MAY choose to use the value that the client
 initially selects.
 
 Once the client receives the connection ID that the server has chosen, it uses
-this for all subsequent packets that it sends, except for any 0-RTT packets,
-which all have the same connection ID.
+this for all subsequent 1-RTT packets ({{packet-protected}}) and only 1-RTT
+packets that it sends.

Actually, this conflicts with # 558, which states that "Client Cleartext" also has SCID. I'll fix that, too, and repost.

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Proposed connection ID clarifications, consistent with #588.

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For instance:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-06#section-11.1

   [QUIC-TRANSPORT]
              Iyengar, J., Ed. and M. Thomson, Ed., "QUIC: A UDP-Based
              Multiplexed and Secure Transport", draft-ietf-quic-
              transport (work in progress), September 2017.

This should say:

   [QUIC-TRANSPORT]
              Iyengar, J., Ed. and M. Thomson, Ed., "QUIC: A UDP-Based
              Multiplexed and Secure Transport", draft-ietf-quic-
              transport-06 (work in progress), September 2017.

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Commit: 85e5011bfa9495447bb891619f8c1ffc2d6ee12d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/85e5011bfa9495447bb891619f8c1ffc2d6ee12d Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2017-09-30 (Sat, 30 Sep 2017) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- fix tls draft as well Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/cfad425244b0^...85e5011bfa94 ----==_mimepart_59d01b8bdde93_797c3feffe571c4084073-- From nobody Sat Sep 30 15:35:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E896813247A for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 15:35:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vDmV-1glcb8Y for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 15:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext7.iad.github.net [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39F8C126CB6 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 15:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 15:35:08 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1506810908; bh=+cyzw3FF3LlLE4TGkX/XYNQmpyjjEHw69NK/qqPBNrI=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rPi7TPh0xSblfYFl6SimV9WAweO6N0IyFFXWocOeXiMOfI9RLEKOXNoG/gnTY0Chk lbmvuQ5Wju1y54AditYq7bdPcVoaQRzWNoDP5mFiXr94noaVQsw2j0VZRySsOFWRCD rHgKk83yXQYDzCean9y/ToZlJJATDY25dsupflGI= From: janaiyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix references to companion QUIC drafts (#809) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d01c1c853c6_6e683fe5fae72f2811986e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 22:35:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d01c1c853c6_6e683fe5fae72f2811986e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closes #808 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/809 -- Commit Summary -- * Fix references to drafts. * fix tls draft as well -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (33) M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (21) M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (54) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (84) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/809.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/809.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Closes #808

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As Ian says, don't put anything else in the packet with CONNECTION_CLO= SE. There are a few things that I would put in, but only maybe: RST_STRE= AM (so that the receiver can identify the stream that triggered the error= ), and PADDING.

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----==_mimepart_59d0628285cf3_343e3f93d93a4f38870bb-- From nobody Sat Sep 30 22:00:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0913013443E for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 22:00:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.182 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.182 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dNr3L88MhiqJ for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 22:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext5.iad.github.net [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A476513232C for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 22:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 22:00:50 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1506834050; bh=YFbtqmAX5kNA84E879Xl9lPs7OEaS7doERCrYXxfshM=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=v6o0h2bfGDiYUQ/cYDAly5nZpH4PEXi7UhS5u7AU9VdDMd+/eUfTetPzUnmLlSlg6 2WOxNZfN8a7/2EaFjflAoBRSvHTl4AXH+WxIxQeeYftSIwWTz7Y9nQRpoVi2IgMIgT 2WpxvXD3Y9oLnc8IloZI5PWZnNvFsQ+3ixypdcDk= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix references to companion QUIC drafts (#809) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d07682e15e9_11ac3feb31340f3848970"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 05:00:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d07682e15e9_11ac3feb31340f3848970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #809. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/809#event-1272960766 ----==_mimepart_59d07682e15e9_11ac3feb31340f3848970 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closed #809.

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----==_mimepart_59d07682e15e9_11ac3feb31340f3848970-- From nobody Sat Sep 30 22:01:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A86134453 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 22:00:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.616 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1YPnNJMqRDyU for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 22:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7456134451 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 22:00:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=Uzxko0SI1JdWFT6vytF6GIl9WRY=; b=E0aS+nOZSMEd0qS5 TS97cNseawZf6b/qszCHjJziJU3ZevymOfNJ3K++fF0vTImyNrPWkGoMnctI/zua kSOcth383SeRHql4ro5yRRbvlT3JdMp+7yM1jEEoQ4DVwqMs9WXpx3sc3FZBl068 Diu3nypvG0aYjaVxehmqyy1QxGo= Received: by filter0808p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0808p1mdw1-5860-59D07682-26 2017-10-01 05:00:50.969611103 +0000 UTC Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net [192.30.253.16]) by ismtpd0003p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id uFdv5G8PR9SC7CtkdmAZQg for ; Sun, 01 Oct 2017 05:00:50.952 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 05:00:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix references to companion QUIC drafts (#809) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d07682d5334_24293feb31340f3855818"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2JnAME6Nw6STUUO6HLEjgd1paZYI/oL2oZ2C 3e5Zcj6znTbWhIauVtLi44zfD6RFfaXPgdwd6FZK2LHCaKanpKUVp3pN9jP7nyhrmyoJ8yTfiOVpwq X2en3ynEQbe9Rwma/dxkTim0LJ+9edmB6d6Nu5Sd54Nqhgpsan1sMj5gVhJhNhKm0ah8wDBxN8pe52 I= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 05:00:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d07682d5334_24293feb31340f3855818 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am fairly confident now that my new code correctly changes any instances of `draft-foo-latest` when building for submission. I didn't include a link before, but [here are the new instructions](https://github.com/martinthomson/i-d-template/blob/master/doc/SUBMITTING.md). Be careful to note the use of `git tag -a`, which creates an annotated tag. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/809#issuecomment-333353774 ----==_mimepart_59d07682d5334_24293feb31340f3855818 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am fairly confident now that my new code correctly changes any instanc= es of draft-foo-latest when building for submission.

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Closed #808.

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Fixed in martinthomson/i-d-template@b5b437f

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----==_mimepart_59d076c34065b_6483ff17946ef384174d-- From nobody Sat Sep 30 22:24:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1583A134461 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 22:24:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3LmvmXGzKadz for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 22:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-smtp2a-ext-cp1-prd.iad.github.net (github-smtp2-ext1.iad.github.net [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E7EB13295C for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2017 22:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 22:24:39 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1506835479; bh=8zpXDsjh2gf6xjJoKtPAyIiAy1qi66TjhJ8Fr1Rk24c=; h=From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dUKQUKti3YRVHDmMMpmjHjgv6IPT0xmc09G2SyKrYpVE3QFzsFs5AK5AY3GSLX2rX 1cN4JymM+JwqfiecLOMTF36qWfEQiNEC3r/xXm66gMUpabke8Uy7fNRIDjb3MLoh1/ Tn/Z2roGc66czLGcO+9eZl0fxLTdANZjdPXrlKG0= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] BLOCKED semantics (#452) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_59d07c179aa52_2daa3fb2d834ef34332b2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 05:24:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_59d07c179aa52_2daa3fb2d834ef34332b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The text in #510 does not clarify whether retransmission of a lost BLOCKED frame is required or, if not, when it is allowed. (Same applies to STREAM_BCLOKED.) I can see three options: 1. _Retransmission is always required_. This only makes sense, if the sending of BLOCKED is a MUST. Otherwise, it is inconsistent to require retransmission of an optional frame. Required retransmission can help with aggregate statistics as to how much blocking there was during the lifetime of the connection. However, this may not give clear info to the receiver as to the current state of the stream/connection. 2. _Retransmission is required only if the sender is still blocked on the same data limit._ This also only makes sense, if the sending of BLOCKED is a MUST. This gives the receiver a bit better view into the state of the sender's stream but may lose "blocked" events. 3. _Retransmission is always allowed (not to required)_. This only makes sense, if the sending of BLOCKED is optional (and should probably be used with the same level of optionality -- SHOULD or MAY). This is probably the most confusing option -- the receiver cannot use this either for the view of sender's connection state or for accurate accounting of "blocked" events. 4. _Retransmission is allowed (but not required) only if the sender is still blocked on the same data limit._ This also only makes sense, if the sending of BLOCKED is optional. This will behaves like a debug frame, which may be helpful in traces. Also, while we are at it, BLOCKED (and its cousens) could benefit from a field with an explicit value of the data limit that triggered the "blocked" condition. It may also benefit from a field with the desired data limit (i.e. how much data the sender could send, if it were not blocked by the flow control). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/452#issuecomment-333354549 ----==_mimepart_59d07c179aa52_2daa3fb2d834ef34332b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The text in #510= does not clarify whether retransmission of a lost BLOCKED frame is r= equired or, if not, when it is allowed. (Same applies to STREAM_BCLOKED.= ) I can see three options:

  1. Retransmission is always required. This only makes sense, if= the sending of BLOCKED is a MUST. Otherwise, it is inconsistent to requi= re retransmission of an optional frame. Required retransmission can help= with aggregate statistics as to how much blocking there was during the l= ifetime of the connection. However, this may not give clear info to the r= eceiver as to the current state of the stream/connection.

  2. Retransmission is required only if the sender is still blocked on = the same data limit. This also only makes sense, if the sending of = BLOCKED is a MUST. This gives the receiver a bit better view into the sta= te of the sender's stream but may lose "blocked" events.

  3. Retransmission is always allowed (not to required). This only= makes sense, if the sending of BLOCKED is optional (and should probably = be used with the same level of optionality -- SHOULD or MAY). This is pro= bably the most confusing option -- the receiver cannot use this either fo= r the view of sender's connection state or for accurate accounting of "bl= ocked" events.

  4. Retransmission is allowed (but not required) only if the sender is= still blocked on the same data limit. This also only makes sense, = if the sending of BLOCKED is optional. This will behaves like a debug fra= me, which may be helpful in traces.

Also, while we are at it, BLOCKED (and its cousens) could benefit from= a field with an explicit value of the data limit that triggered the "blo= cked" condition. It may also benefit from a field with the desired data = limit (i.e. how much data the sender could send, if it were not blocked b= y the flow control).

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The TLS draft says in https://quicwg.github.io/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#rfc.section.9.1.2:
"Endpoints MUST NOT use an ACK frame in an unprotected packet to acknowledge packets that were protected by 0-RTT or 1-RTT keys. An endpoint MUST treat receipt of an ACK frame in an unprotected packet that claims to acknowledge protected packets as a connection error of type OPTIMISTIC_ACK."

The Loss Recovery draft currently says that unprotected packets containing ACKs for protected packets have to be ignored. This PR updates the Loss Recovery draft and makes it consistent with the TLS draft.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/810

Commit Summary

  • close connection when receiving unprotected ACKs for protected packets

File Changes

Patch Links:

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