From nobody Sun Dec 1 14:05:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C84412008F for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 14:05:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iACRwr8xEIw4 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 14:05:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78CA51200C4 for ; Sun, 1 Dec 2019 14:05:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2019 14:05:51 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575237951; bh=U7zlQhxFBLqJBGoCKXL6XooFnU4LlZiYFmpqAHgs5F0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TX4ztFuA9EE6j8ZDjAaby91UzErK5DIMBXwJl7Qv2kDAG1KIDovxNztDd/NQBOUVJ AEWe5lvhfgfGsn1IlDaL3RLFX8mqZO7yJvxubC3zxmAWiq54sY6GwGo1XJAE9Ft/lE Szlg7vk1f2ccPpoBqQBnw6CNHqdz7I9dUxOZY4XY= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Encrypting Retry token (#3274) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de4393f60a2e_1d6c3fae89acd95c2117b5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2019 22:05:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de4393f60a2e_1d6c3fae89acd95c2117b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From @huitema: > I went on to compare the time to encrypt 64 bytes versus the time to just authenticate 64 bytes. Results are below for two implementations of AES128 GCM, one from OpenSSL crypto library and another from Windows Bcrypt library -- both measured using 64 bit code on my Windows laptop: | encrypt | decrypt | authenticate | verify -- | -- | -- | -- | -- bcrypt | 0.35751 | 0.22602 | 0.24687 | 0.20189 openssl 1.1.1c | 0.30211 | 0.23956 | 0.24296 | 0.23926 > The times are measured here in microseconds -- these are the average on 100,000 operations. We see that the times are fractions of microseconds in both cases. The encryption operation is more expensive than a simple authentication, 45% more with brcrypt, 24% more with openssl. The decrypt operation is 12% more expensive than the simple authenticate with brcypt, almost the same with openssl. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3274#issuecomment-560165426 ----==_mimepart_5de4393f60a2e_1d6c3fae89acd95c2117b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I went on to compare the time to encrypt 64 bytes versus the time to just authenticate 64 bytes. Results are below for two implementations of AES128 GCM, one from OpenSSL crypto library and another from Windows Bcrypt library -- both measured using 64 bit code on my Windows laptop:

| encrypt | decrypt | authenticate | verify
-- | -- | -- | -- | --
bcrypt | 0.35751 | 0.22602 | 0.24687 | 0.20189
openssl 1.1.1c | 0.30211 | 0.23956 | 0.24296 | 0.23926

The times are measured here in microseconds -- these are the average on 100,000 operations. We see that the times are fractions of microseconds in both cases. The encryption operation is more expensive than a simple authentication, 45% more with brcrypt, 24% more with openssl. The decrypt operation is 12% more expensive than the simple authenticate with brcypt, almost the same with openssl.

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----==_mimepart_5de4393f60a2e_1d6c3fae89acd95c2117b5-- From nobody Mon Dec 2 09:31:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6196D120099 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 09:31:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fykpn-rVCpfJ for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 09:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0786912007A for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 09:31:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293D32C34B3 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 09:31:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575307902; bh=DeEFTy8HjcUmO2GRDS24kBKWAPjZ7bGa+s/hMQkR4S0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WWlPfw0uS4VXUVL/uXFU44yV0vJIOpGS4jdiPUWrY02ofOaa2fm7PszUA87OwbOQY TDi2h2EBljshZxF8uwjS4J69txP6HEkdiC9cxHc5xriCbtEq91OZHBxpBVfxguYFVK LI3cNfHIux7T/FSyEo56W7dVkMI9PnTD7n/kpHLI= Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 09:31:42 -0800 From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Encrypting Retry token (#3274) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de54a7e19d7b_37da3fa060acd95c126994"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 17:31:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de54a7e19d7b_37da3fa060acd95c126994 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These results are making me lean towards encrypting the token using the original connection ID as a nonce, but I don't feel overly strongly. I'll let folks share their thoughts here and if I don't hear back I'll add encryption to #3120. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3274#issuecomment-560497423 ----==_mimepart_5de54a7e19d7b_37da3fa060acd95c126994 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

These results are making me lean towards encrypting the token using the original connection ID as a nonce, but I don't feel overly strongly. I'll let folks share their thoughts here and if I don't hear back I'll add encryption to #3120.

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I think we should keep this in transport.

I think we can provide more specific guidance than we do now, including guidance to bundle flow control updates with ACK frames, but not to bundle them with every ACK frame(otherwise you end up ACK-ing ACKs, which we know is bad). I'm biased towards marking this editorial, but we can wait for a PR to see.

Our implementation does(approximately):

  1. Send an update every time 1/2 the window has been consumed
  2. Double the size of the window every time two updates are sent within an RTT.

Particularly early in the connection, ideally the flow control window is 2x the peer's current congestion control window, because the CWND doubles every RTT in slow start.

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----==_mimepart_5de54d493cd98_12833f8f37acd96424502c-- From nobody Mon Dec 2 11:12:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120D312004E for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 11:12:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.381 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.381 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id piaWmdBs4osY for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 11:12:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBA0C120018 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 11:12:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-6349a71.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6349a71.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.20]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5C9520DBC for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 11:12:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575313939; bh=jkBSbo3C9cC5SfynLZGWJIEczL1b6zzLhJGNbgb0Hv8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gLwCYZiloA27JXevsKUdMmn1PB91od2tzBIGIlycLEoT+3Kxpc1LHtim5jorMdFAa fWeaAhrJeA7cF+a4vxUPQTh3YhDR3xWr6S/VvFQie5kTeQXhWynoMThFZ/mcJmVaZ+ hIpTYeUidyk2rokpMmYJQ+QPtMcacq3W683IKuwE= Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 11:12:19 -0800 From: slightlyfloating Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Issue: Incorrect offset in sample (#3279) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de56213cf909_591e3fc37a0cd9601588bf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: slightlyfloating X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 19:12:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de56213cf909_591e3fc37a0cd9601588bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe the sample given in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-tls-24#appendix-A.2 contains an incorrect offset to the packet number field, Considering the 22-byte long header given in the sample c3 ff000017 08 8394c8f03e515708 00 00 449e 00000002 I think the following line header[17..20] ^= mask[1..4] is supposed to read: header[18..21] ^= mask[1..4] as the 4-byte packet number (0x00000002) actually start at offset 18 (0-based) of the header. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3279 ----==_mimepart_5de56213cf909_591e3fc37a0cd9601588bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I believe the sample given in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-tls-24#appendix-A.2
contains an incorrect offset to the packet number field,

Considering the 22-byte long header given in the sample
c3 ff000017 08 8394c8f03e515708 00 00 449e 00000002
I think the following line
header[17..20] ^= mask[1..4]
is supposed to read:
header[18..21] ^= mask[1..4]
as the 4-byte packet number (0x00000002) actually start at offset 18 (0-based) of the header.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Dec 2 18:52:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BEA120052 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:52:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QSTDFRIobLxU for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:52:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F5E21200F3 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:52:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 18:52:26 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575341546; bh=6x1GtAH6wNpMtu3886GJdJgPtKZRXsWgh+JTt2jIsMk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=dQOumdBfKa0i1WOOjp5DVkX7G0SJJ23iez7ZkExNzT6JbE9/7/9IpJWoqLxYlt5NM dCk+yGhvnNnC1QDR5Hn2diB6EdxN/6pbv7CsgQptqLMZa1IMGt5PrngeQjqiOq1C8/ 5/jyCMlTw6ygTQQuDeDxdr1WyNo2MlDayQQh0Ra8= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 7a1bfb: A day in the life Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 02:52:29 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 7a1bfb73f425696b0eefbb36d94c5f24bef6fabb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7a1bfb73f425696b0eefbb36d94c5f24bef6fabb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-11-12 (Tue, 12 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- A day in the life ...and now we know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall. This section has existed for a long time as "TBD". No longer. It also takes the opportunity to explain a little bit about what 0-RTT is for. Closes #2856. Closes #2843. Commit: 50997741a989c1b70b991a73b2290d7417c5b77e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/50997741a989c1b70b991a73b2290d7417c5b77e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-11-12 (Tue, 12 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- grammer iz had Commit: cee02b8081a97cb76ca41f95023eff22f83f98d0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cee02b8081a97cb76ca41f95023eff22f83f98d0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-11-13 (Wed, 13 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Mikkel makes this better Co-Authored-By: MikkelFJ Commit: 5866e9649332db619d09e31eaa764936ea0d8ac6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5866e9649332db619d09e31eaa764936ea0d8ac6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-11-13 (Wed, 13 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- termination clause Co-Authored-By: ianswett Commit: 192990e0903bad56516e5750fadc18004a10aea2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/192990e0903bad56516e5750fadc18004a10aea2 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-11-13 (Wed, 13 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Paraphrase Mike's suggestion Commit: 621cc6f80564ceb3d2647b5f23814338dcca1aba https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/621cc6f80564ceb3d2647b5f23814338dcca1aba Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-12-03 (Tue, 03 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3225 from quicwg/life A day in the life Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/9f09e6eee38f...621cc6f80564 From nobody Mon Dec 2 18:52:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F731200F3 for ; 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----==_mimepart_5de5ce601a567_57dc3fc401ecd95c170469-- From nobody Mon Dec 2 18:54:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194091200F3 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:54:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qPeDe9ugiW4R for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:54:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A73F2120052 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:54:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 18:54:25 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575341666; bh=YA3h1w8rVNsn0xmgKtlOgfXIZ3tS/rMy+q/ckjqRU9E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Os1Jj0aQyIxpzsuSl0lU3TjN6+xpuCZX8yk1zESyj5XbAkuXGyU+CrZWOz0M3AcR7 1G5IiYbvKCUyeLeSRdxoIa70Lp6WB92uiK4fakEYvXaA6Qo/5MSUh/9nknnIs4r6OR xjH4DHA9xWgLLHr0odmLqDoVsRW8aFi2FtyDkHvw= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection migration attacks may have other side effects (#2311) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de5ce61ee4b7_5a733fd8a66cd964687d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 02:54:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de5ce61ee4b7_5a733fd8a66cd964687d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #2311 via #3229. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2311#event-2848330320 ----==_mimepart_5de5ce61ee4b7_5a733fd8a66cd964687d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Closes #2500. Commit: e898a628f4146a462d112a6de705b1b3f0f11100 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e898a628f4146a462d112a6de705b1b3f0f11100 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-11-12 (Tue, 12 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Yes, I meant to remove that 'if'. Oops. Commit: 26d90987df16bcd264146040aa0ed33995ccc0bf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/26d90987df16bcd264146040aa0ed33995ccc0bf Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-11-17 (Sun, 17 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- --layer Commit: 5470410e08b99845de425faf285488a20a25b93b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5470410e08b99845de425faf285488a20a25b93b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-12-03 (Tue, 03 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3228 from quicwg/abort Use no_application_protocol more Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/75838e0e8386...5470410e08b9 From nobody Mon Dec 2 18:54:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31709120052 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:54:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4iKyWFAfa9IR for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F6421200F3 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-d93c4b6.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d93c4b6.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.47]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB221C074B for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:54:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575341685; bh=QgiNKKwU1K+opFM5SoJLcVeTXPNtiOVNhtzBbMxOH10=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ol048aii5CHVdN5xlCx3P7ERa1aG3VIHDqHoz9u63azY2mljpo7NIcHQu4wycBfd5 ims2R+ryzNzOW6+VjGR77E1oe+9RKkS3xb3jtLeSFMsDVh6S+QTXiZMCag/fLaLb67 MDF3yENjSLDp3RqhMAlbbE0+BQAnepJqDcbfvGM0= Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 18:54:45 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use of "abort" (#2500) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de5ce755aaad_5a793fa9724cd96023807e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 02:54:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de5ce755aaad_5a793fa9724cd96023807e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #2500 via #3228. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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----==_mimepart_5de5ce76e1fcd_36633fa1e5ecd9682245e7-- From nobody Mon Dec 2 18:55:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB27B1200F8 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:55:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1akwPu9tyNdc for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D1FB120052 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:55:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 18:55:01 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575341701; bh=gPlbq3+gYaFNXPVyMYmlL/MrncNHlYauLxMcgdLzDBA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=l2IE6jn6CJpY3gMGnp2kPv7klHvE32ZRlJWIqAQMOeMIpdqkvOvrPRgU+GIRVQIHs TY4zJAEA8j+QrHjkOsJoQ4BLHn1FheNBI6JTj6JlgzxXTuKNeAkLIHkycjLrJ+Q9Oi ptcg9vsOwZnLOcXu92mx32x8k9zkKGoqZv7pWamk= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 9112fd: Clearer text for application errors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 02:55:04 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 9112fd7fa9c72a51c732e55b6c8c88707ae4e3bb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9112fd7fa9c72a51c732e55b6c8c88707ae4e3bb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-11-12 (Tue, 12 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Clearer text for application errors This cribs Lucas' proposed tweak and makes a few other tiny adjustments. Closes #2850. Commit: 36192e6c3858e5431a60a63859547a661b46373f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/36192e6c3858e5431a60a63859547a661b46373f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-11-13 (Wed, 13 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- only the application Co-Authored-By: Mike Bishop Commit: 2ae98990a35cbecba177a56c71b9db7bd0d57963 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2ae98990a35cbecba177a56c71b9db7bd0d57963 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-11-13 (Wed, 13 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reorder, tweak Commit: 02eb9515e868e1e6bb80644673a23928bc7d60d3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/02eb9515e868e1e6bb80644673a23928bc7d60d3 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-12-03 (Tue, 03 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3226 from quicwg/resetting Clearer text for application errors Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/5470410e08b9...02eb9515e868 From nobody Mon Dec 2 18:55:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E055120052 for ; 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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Dec 2 18:56:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD951200F8 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:56:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KH5pysGvu6W5 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 768B3120052 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:56:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE4F960581 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:56:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575341809; bh=Z2kjl5Os/e2NPtbncniLMx0QJfmTGBqJsxHMIZYX3yY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lRhxi4TdzSPy/nHYrYEJkkAdrQeuCDGjvhZM5ZssdpgWFlCmobQuPKxOqxA634NeJ QcHWtNZxSeTtnUR2bS5c0eveMxA+G/YmrhHCsIfHETCLH/rfQ7VUAf6fSKPVgI7Y6Y KLnBljAJbIkHDM1gqPt2adUMY7y4l/IplTNuvfQs= Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 18:56:49 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server sends a PING-only packet if it's limited (#3162) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de5cef1bd53d_33053fb925acd960139888"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 02:56:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de5cef1bd53d_33053fb925acd960139888 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett, this appears to have support, but you need to rebase it and mark the issue as `proposal-ready`. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@ianswett, this appears to have support, but you need to rebase it and mark the issue as proposal-ready.

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----==_mimepart_5de5cef1bd53d_33053fb925acd960139888-- From nobody Mon Dec 2 18:57:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E3E1200F8 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:57:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dsDCAFhpkh-7 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE199120052 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.19.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198712C0A40 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 18:57:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575341837; bh=5uOrW1cLHfKkIYZ7tbgqM3O9xI5IvxhYFIsDbWbFass=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=X4tKDhs9ZXFuhSl1n4Nz4X2Uczv/hjn5tK21Ukq3M7TXDRN/zxjmQHWrYQcyP6WY8 vNpOlBuMhRPqg4TqTLCdZ0DK79XRSb840n9vQiHPlvzarz6tp15/+G5kpWxP5Yu4eW 9kP6/5Vsjrcro1/QGCWnrRuYRNiAKgKNGaIDjS5A= Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 18:57:17 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] introduce a version alias mechanism (#2573) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de5cf0db795_1fec3fbd9dacd95c1427e1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 02:57:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de5cf0db795_1fec3fbd9dacd95c1427e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that we can close this one now. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2573#issuecomment-560976012 ----==_mimepart_5de5cf0db795_1fec3fbd9dacd95c1427e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that we can close this one now.

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@martinthomson I think there's still an ongoing debate on if this PR is the right direction.

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The discussion in #3245 suggests a different wording might be better than a simple punctuation tweak.

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Commit: 24d4b635a6348565fe16e8ee20b0e0e34ad5b590 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/24d4b635a6348565fe16e8ee20b0e0e34ad5b590 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-10-16 (Wed, 16 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 8c4691476c3cd896f74ff58402b48c650ac032e6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8c4691476c3cd896f74ff58402b48c650ac032e6 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-10-16 (Wed, 16 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 6cf5de8b6bce8470f614918cf149429ed327cf1a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6cf5de8b6bce8470f614918cf149429ed327cf1a Author: ianswett Date: 2019-10-21 (Mon, 21 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Kazuho and MTs comments Commit: b43b5bfb6962bfa87054ae8ed0eb96e18ce5be2a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b43b5bfb6962bfa87054ae8ed0eb96e18ce5be2a Author: ianswett Date: 2019-10-21 (Mon, 21 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define the error Commit: f827ca30b70e4ccffcd5f94ce884b0c26584d37f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f827ca30b70e4ccffcd5f94ce884b0c26584d37f Author: ianswett Date: 2019-10-21 (Mon, 21 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- whitespace Commit: 9617e1da29cda2a6230e7e59e9ae62a257087d73 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9617e1da29cda2a6230e7e59e9ae62a257087d73 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-11-01 (Fri, 01 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Kazuho's suggestion About being able to unprotect the Initial packet Commit: 97ed82152c5d9c0a40a87b7a324b2d5dc5c6909b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/97ed82152c5d9c0a40a87b7a324b2d5dc5c6909b Author: ianswett Date: 2019-11-01 (Fri, 01 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 85bac671b3282b7464a7b5b73a52ec5c34f2c62a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/85bac671b3282b7464a7b5b73a52ec5c34f2c62a Author: ianswett Date: 2019-11-02 (Sat, 02 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Co-Authored-By: Jana Iyengar Commit: 70aef67ee532cb6466e6bc1d485718782052de32 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/70aef67ee532cb6466e6bc1d485718782052de32 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-11-02 (Sat, 02 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Co-Authored-By: Jana Iyengar Commit: 887c909e025d6d1c3a1f634cf13b62937d51ea37 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/887c909e025d6d1c3a1f634cf13b62937d51ea37 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-11-02 (Sat, 02 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- MAY close the connection without creating state Commit: c36760da1391e5cf66b10b4d9d699c5fda3c8e88 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c36760da1391e5cf66b10b4d9d699c5fda3c8e88 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-11-02 (Sat, 02 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Jana's suggestion Commit: b16c4cfb6295dab73b45b234b7e20a1caff13de3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b16c4cfb6295dab73b45b234b7e20a1caff13de3 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-11-02 (Sat, 02 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 3ab9f77f170dd89a902f52b4669035c7fab87add https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3ab9f77f170dd89a902f52b4669035c7fab87add Author: ianswett Date: 2019-11-02 (Sat, 02 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 474291a1da6b83e72105de556fa4ec4bd9fce39a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/474291a1da6b83e72105de556fa4ec4bd9fce39a Author: ianswett Date: 2019-11-11 (Mon, 11 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Martin's suggestion Commit: 4cf3ff91650a1731e37acd8dc50c4855acae0718 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4cf3ff91650a1731e37acd8dc50c4855acae0718 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-11-11 (Mon, 11 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Co-Authored-By: Martin Thomson Commit: 1396f0742e572a6740a05c26cc92cc9deda8799a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1396f0742e572a6740a05c26cc92cc9deda8799a Author: ianswett Date: 2019-11-11 (Mon, 11 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 7d17a202aee84d3751f2f4bdf4e2902f71d8f54c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7d17a202aee84d3751f2f4bdf4e2902f71d8f54c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-12-03 (Tue, 03 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3107 from quicwg/ianswett-invalid-token Immediately close with INVALID_TOKEN Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/89b53f0934c0...7d17a202aee8 From nobody Mon Dec 2 19:11:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9B71200D5 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 19:11:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, 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Would it fair up-level and ask whether the ACK handler should trigger any sending? I realize that the disagreement appears to be about whether this is advocating for a burst send, but it seems to me that the bigger question is where to attach sending logic to the pseudocode. > newly_acked_packets = DetermineNewlyAckedPackets(ack, pn_space) + // Nothing to do if there are no newly acked packets. This change looks like a regression, or it is as at least unrelated: the intent before was to comment about the call to `DetermineNewlyAckedPackets()` and the use of the returned value. I think that's still the right way to frame this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3047#pullrequestreview-325874270 ----==_mimepart_5de5d3f3ab1e2_1a063fa6306cd96c174577 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Would it fair up-level and ask whether the ACK handler should trigger any sending? I realize that the disagreement appears to be about whether this is advocating for a burst send, but it seems to me that the bigger question is where to attach sending logic to the pseudocode.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>    newly_acked_packets = DetermineNewlyAckedPackets(ack, pn_space)
+  // Nothing to do if there are no newly acked packets.

This change looks like a regression, or it is as at least unrelated: the intent before was to comment about the call to DetermineNewlyAckedPackets() and the use of the returned value. I think that's still the right way to frame this.

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----==_mimepart_5de5d65098108_50893fd0a98cd96c140873-- From nobody Mon Dec 2 19:29:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F1012010E for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 19:29:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GN7LCy8DdGRP for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 19:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75A1C1200D5 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 19:29:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 19:29:00 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575343740; bh=6qnooKB4sHwDvQBmhXRSxDw8mx/DBTouuLvVY2RVDKw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=O0FmUTft2v3seCVFhV5chNbwGQEWH/1yEvbQ128hE1KIKxV81Yhn4NRguTTUF2eOw lc0u/6IJ60pHQEsiOzO625+hLwNi6RJvnS/SExqh6YYZlQdPjazgoZSxOYlC1iloHP 7h887kvPlEspIl6CVB6pGAXFE7bvdhdDMUW1ph0c= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 3b33f5: Script updating gh-pages from 25267b36. 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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Dec 2 19:32:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BB412010E for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 19:32:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i3I7ncmIy-me for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 19:32:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 602A012010D for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 19:32:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-a6a2749.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-a6a2749.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.62]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2DA8C0456 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 19:32:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575343970; bh=REewxyHKMZ0hQmLxPDqzoqs73UZY1tZu0QXSISgIsts=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KW9bzGwo75qqrVqRzuKxeQxINttP/Te0sAZb8IvTszMTmcH03FpxcK+vB8XnBbMrZ eDcDrZALwLwE5TRO9t/7gT0++AfbjItx1c7XgCFdvLquUd78J1RAwcZ/gJBwLVPooe ZwcjIYZDeGlvn1cd8Wz0DTwBn5n95z+BzTEgRmAM= Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 19:32:50 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameters varint (#3169) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de5d7629dd90_15653f8cb74cd96018834f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 03:32:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de5d7629dd90_15653f8cb74cd96018834f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @DavidSchinazi, as we have decided not to do this, can we close this? 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@DavidSchinazi, as we have decided not to do this, can we close this? (It doesn't have an issue, so if we wanted to pursue it, we'd need one.)

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OBE? @kazuho, can we close this now that we have agreement about #3145?

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Closed #3141.

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----==_mimepart_5de5d9a2435c5_65583faaab8cd968217942-- From nobody Mon Dec 2 19:42:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61BC12010F for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 19:42:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IvR3us42lyYn for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 19:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FA5112010D for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 19:42:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 19:42:30 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575344550; bh=PQ4rKl1oiKw4oIfrtPu6l8BY260GoYwOce+YIh9TiFg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=f/RwsP8T2LhQLl+MhJrA3nav42OVSaix0mKotPgR56rywCqFr96hVjUD7KLhxCUN+ KZGTtN9HsFjXOEImkyLSCvWyYAdrlPKWHEYkmFrPYV26smlAimtJ1njEPNxCRJ8Bbg S6kE2KwX6xuxG6/c/LVIVPJdsKdxm/bXvDWlNJDg= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify the state a client stores with a token (#3150) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de5d9a654b15_7ec43f87400cd9681904aa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 03:42:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de5d9a654b15_7ec43f87400cd9681904aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -1746,7 +1747,8 @@ validate a client address. Tokens are not integrated into the cryptographic handshake and so they are not authenticated. For instance, a client might be able to reuse a token. To avoid attacks that exploit this property, a server can limit its use of tokens to only the information needed to validate client -addresses. +addresses. A server MUST NOT require the client to correlate any additional +information with a token (e.g. a NewSessionTicket). @nharper where are we at here? I was suggesting a new paragraph, but I didn't get any sense from your reply about whether you thought that was necessary/useful/not. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3150#discussion_r352972436 ----==_mimepart_5de5d9a654b15_7ec43f87400cd9681904aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1746,7 +1747,8 @@ validate a client address.  Tokens are not integrated into the cryptographic
 handshake and so they are not authenticated.  For instance, a client might be
 able to reuse a token.  To avoid attacks that exploit this property, a server
 can limit its use of tokens to only the information needed to validate client
-addresses.
+addresses.  A server MUST NOT require the client to correlate any additional
+information with a token (e.g. a NewSessionTicket).

@nharper where are we at here? I was suggesting a new paragraph, but I didn't get any sense from your reply about whether you thought that was necessary/useful/not.

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It's possible that the values @huitema produced for just authentication are high. Most GCM implementations will still run the AES operation necessary to calculate the mask for GHASH. With a fixed key and nonce, that operation can be replaced with a simple XOR. Doing that additional optimization is not obvious, and it requires breaking the AEAD box open, but I expect that this will happen if implementations REALLY care about every cycle.

That would increase the difference a little, maybe as much as my 1.7x (or 1.5x on the newer CPU).

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I didn't REQUIRE dropping of fragments, because some systems do that for you, but a SHOULD seems appropriate. Closes #3243. From nobody Mon Dec 2 20:13:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D092E120879 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 20:12:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RjzbhNirOxUX for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 20:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18CFE120873 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 20:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-a6a2749.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-a6a2749.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.62]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8C99604D9 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 20:12:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575346375; bh=7RIbBGA5VGANd2uF9EIXrCp/wkQDt3zZ/zP7pVo5hus=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IOlBaoGsZQh9TuxZFE6wu0DP1x/nl+d5cfDT5+JgIHfEjB+wIApJKos4puhKMdgYf 0VYeaoe/rvj8m0Ty1dLOYs9RUfRY6As4xCxboBb9PFnSs5Vzolgw6jEUUSiJ9AiP4c YI2iX3zQ6+2lAfOxfoUX2uCV0hHIRfoo/1y/J2S8= Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 20:12:55 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Prohibit IP fragmentation (#3280) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de5e0c730357_15653f8cb74cd9602564b7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 04:13:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de5e0c730357_15653f8cb74cd9602564b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This won't necessarily prevent fragmentation from happening, but it's the best we can do. I didn't REQUIRE dropping of fragments, because some systems do that for you, but a SHOULD seems appropriate. Closes #3243. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3280 -- Commit Summary -- * Prohibit IP fragmentation -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3280.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3280.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3280 ----==_mimepart_5de5e0c730357_15653f8cb74cd9602564b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This won't necessarily prevent fragmentation from happening, but it's
the best we can do. I didn't REQUIRE dropping of fragments, because
some systems do that for you, but a SHOULD seems appropriate.

Closes #3243.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3280

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  • Prohibit IP fragmentation

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(#3275) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de5f11258c1c_36813f9a866cd9681407d7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 05:22:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de5f11258c1c_36813f9a866cd9681407d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is likely the wrong place for this observation, but I'll mention it here. Ian and I were chatting about this issue and realized a couple of things about HTTP/3 push which were quite surprising. Recall that in HTTP/2, the motivating use case for PUSH_PROMISE was the ability to promise more resources than the open stream limit would allow to be pushed. (Consider an image search in which the server wants to push a grid of 100 thumbnails when the open stream limit is 10). The server would be able to push all 100 of these thumbnails in a single RTT (assuming sufficient BDP) because in HTTP/2 the sever can open a new stream as soon as the previous stream is closed. However, in HTTP/3 this is not the case. The server will be unable to open a new push stream until it receives a new MAX_STREAMS from the client increasing the limit. But that burns an RTT. In which case, there's no point in pushing at all. So to avoid this, a client could increase the MAX_STREAMS to some sort of enormous value. But that does not behave like the HTTP/2 open stream limit. As such I'm not sure the original motivation for PUSH_PROMISE makes sense in HTTP/3. On the other hand, PUSH_PROMISE does something totally different in HTTP/3. It provides an ordering guarantee between the promised headers and the the reference to the resource in the main response body. What's the conclusion of all this? I'm not sure. But it raises a few points: * HTTP/3 server push works incredibly differently than HTTP/2 * At a minimum we should probably provide advice about how the client should manage MAX_STREAMS and MAX_PUSH_ID * I could almost imagine replacing PUSH_PROMISE completely by a BLOCK_UNTIL_PUSH_RECEIVED frame which specifies a QUIC stream ID and prevents the app from processing the rest of the body until the specified push stream's initial headers are received. Thoughts? Does this resonate with anyone? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This is likely the wrong place for this observation, but I'll mention it here. Ian and I were chatting about this issue and realized a couple of things about HTTP/3 push which were quite surprising.

Recall that in HTTP/2, the motivating use case for PUSH_PROMISE was the ability to promise more resources than the open stream limit would allow to be pushed. (Consider an image search in which the server wants to push a grid of 100 thumbnails when the open stream limit is 10).

The server would be able to push all 100 of these thumbnails in a single RTT (assuming sufficient BDP) because in HTTP/2 the sever can open a new stream as soon as the previous stream is closed.

However, in HTTP/3 this is not the case. The server will be unable to open a new push stream until it receives a new MAX_STREAMS from the client increasing the limit. But that burns an RTT. In which case, there's no point in pushing at all. So to avoid this, a client could increase the MAX_STREAMS to some sort of enormous value. But that does not behave like the HTTP/2 open stream limit.

As such I'm not sure the original motivation for PUSH_PROMISE makes sense in HTTP/3. On the other hand, PUSH_PROMISE does something totally different in HTTP/3. It provides an ordering guarantee between the promised headers and the the reference to the resource in the main response body.

What's the conclusion of all this? I'm not sure. But it raises a few points:

  • HTTP/3 server push works incredibly differently than HTTP/2
  • At a minimum we should probably provide advice about how the client should manage MAX_STREAMS and MAX_PUSH_ID
  • I could almost imagine replacing PUSH_PROMISE completely by a BLOCK_UNTIL_PUSH_RECEIVED frame which specifies a QUIC stream ID and prevents the app from processing the rest of the body until the specified push stream's initial headers are received.

Thoughts? Does this resonate with anyone?

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That is, we say that the values can't be linkable, which is a stronger requirement. Saying that you can't send the same value on two connections is much clearer. Closes #3179. From nobody Mon Dec 2 21:47:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99C51200C1 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 21:47:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PxCnYRET0qoR for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 21:47:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABE31120033 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 21:47:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 21:47:31 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575352051; bh=nyr7n12pK4xCI/5hUu1CLlJOGAOyD6CgZbF60WImN+s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WFX3OVJwosJnMGcehB1ovEwjYg4AOcGC3h97qRM1igpRprrQLpG/ewWHEK1hFEtvg GudysC5P23IW/qBlRH6keYlHTD9yhp+G9bNXapUJ5ceM+WxQKAL8BhXfPOOEeeZAFy dMTyPJ45vvHTalnHGW60IaaIUiDKIHOf8doaV0FI= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] NEW_TOKEN contains globally unique values (#3281) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de5f6f3ae041_1f693f87e80cd960294642"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 05:47:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de5f6f3ae041_1f693f87e80cd960294642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is already implied by the existing text, but it isn't said directly. That is, we say that the values can't be linkable, which is a stronger requirement. Saying that you can't send the same value on two connections is much clearer. Closes #3179. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3281 -- Commit Summary -- * NEW_TOKEN contains globally unique values -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (13) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3281.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3281.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3281 ----==_mimepart_5de5f6f3ae041_1f693f87e80cd960294642 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is already implied by the existing text, but it isn't said
directly. That is, we say that the values can't be linkable, which
is a stronger requirement. Saying that you can't send the same value on
two connections is much clearer.

Closes #3179.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3281

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We have to update test vectors for new draft numbers even if we don't rotate the salt...

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  • Update vectors for draft-24

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----==_mimepart_5de5f7826f3b3_13613fd3ac2cd96c236742-- From nobody Mon Dec 2 21:51:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C6A1200E5 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 21:51:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9xF6nTQhkUtT for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 21:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 167D9120033 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 21:51:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 21:51:27 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575352287; bh=/vxqZbEwgsa7UR7CKxGjnzij8G3i7acIwbqG++XtVVE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=x8vkeG/nyUIehFz5t+LaoiGJR8SFfGE7oUYOgSMVufEpW2V1xvAB5taKW3zQE0j6T wXlYHMDD9aepydfdY/GWKW3PccyiY0G6lrWZCZWvr2+H1QBr2l8x/3azX+FtPcRIse 7Z/JV9YbFH0Zb2Log9CqtFMOyXnxxCEmcFiyJsew= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Terminology QUIC-Transport-24 (#3233) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de5f7df5e6a0_135d3fd3ac2cd96c1025bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 05:51:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de5f7df5e6a0_135d3fd3ac2cd96c1025bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #3249 fixed this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3233#issuecomment-561010436 ----==_mimepart_5de5f7df5e6a0_135d3fd3ac2cd96c1025bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

#3249 fixed this.

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Closed #3233.

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I think at this point we need to see some data that supports the argument that encrypting the token is too slow. @nibanks, i think this was your view?

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----==_mimepart_5de5fac57ba25_4aea3ffa176cd9681018a9-- From nobody Mon Dec 2 22:15:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD631200C5 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 22:15:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SvpXgta3LNJK for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 22:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50915120033 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 22:15:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-943b171.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-943b171.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.22.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4862F9604D9 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2019 22:15:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575353717; bh=s5WzFhx8mMubeVsKFxaWFZZaPKw2MeRTt5Rquh1Fo0k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=z/6aX0UwDrCyRq2YrMNKKqInE9XkTRVpt18Bxs5VXnaYryc5b9OzHrnPT2gmmap9N XgPRYdo0j4k4vAn7+gsWEpJiXuhhD9VdGaAwoWq6HFn/3LgrjzlJfUFVdeA8DPldlP WSWX2E2JPdgQS+DvMuGxmec3jrh1K+n7sX5Jdhk4= Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 22:15:17 -0800 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why are there two ways of associating push with requests? (#3275) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de5fd7538425_66473fef782cd95c68338"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 06:15:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de5fd7538425_66473fef782cd95c68338 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @RyanAtGoogle I kind of agree, and kind of disagree. > * HTTP/3 server push works incredibly differently than HTTP/2 I am not sure how different they are. As you correctly point out, the benefit you achieve by pushing is limited to one BDP in HTTP/2. As there is the potential of pushing a response that has already been cached by the client, pushing too much has been a bad idea in HTTP/2. IMO, the fact that we are additionally capped by the push stream concurrency in HTTP/3 does not change the big picture. > * At a minimum we should probably provide advice about how the client should manage MAX_STREAMS and MAX_PUSH_ID SGTM. > * I could almost imagine replacing PUSH_PROMISE completely by a BLOCK_UNTIL_PUSH_RECEIVED frame which specifies a QUIC stream ID and prevents the app from processing the rest of the body until the specified push stream's initial headers are received. I presume that's the same as what I originally proposed in this issue? Personally, I think I am fine with either ways. What I'm unhappy with status-quo is that there is two ways of doing one thing, which is causing complexity. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3275#issuecomment-561018182 ----==_mimepart_5de5fd7538425_66473fef782cd95c68338 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@RyanAtGoogle I kind of agree, and kind of disagree.

  • HTTP/3 server push works incredibly differently than HTTP/2

I am not sure how different they are. As you correctly point out, the benefit you achieve by pushing is limited to one BDP in HTTP/2. As there is the potential of pushing a response that has already been cached by the client, pushing too much has been a bad idea in HTTP/2. IMO, the fact that we are additionally capped by the push stream concurrency in HTTP/3 does not change the big picture.

  • At a minimum we should probably provide advice about how the client should manage MAX_STREAMS and MAX_PUSH_ID

SGTM.

  • I could almost imagine replacing PUSH_PROMISE completely by a BLOCK_UNTIL_PUSH_RECEIVED frame which specifies a QUIC stream ID and prevents the app from processing the rest of the body until the specified push stream's initial headers are received.

I presume that's the same as what I originally proposed in this issue? Personally, I think I am fine with either ways. What I'm unhappy with status-quo is that there is two ways of doing one thing, which is causing complexity.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3471,6 +3471,10 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client
 believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that
 it chooses.
 
+UDP datagrams MUST NOT be fragmented at the IP layer.  In IPv4
+{{!IPv4=RFC0791}}, the DF bit MUST be set to prevent fragmentation on the path.
+Endpoints SHOULD discard fragmented IP packets.

I believe this is desirable at the receiving endpoint, but saying "Endpoints SHOULD discard fragmented IP packets." ... isn't something that the transport has control over. I suggest you remove this. It seems sufficient to say at the sender don't do IPv4 or IPv6 fragmentation and do set FD

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(#3275) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de67d6c5ca8_17df3fd1992cd9682417eb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 15:21:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de67d6c5ca8_17df3fd1992cd9682417eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I am not sure how different they are. As you correctly point out, the benefit you achieve by pushing is limited to one BDP in HTTP/2. As there is the potential of pushing a response that has already been cached by the client, pushing too much has been a bad idea in HTTP/2. IMO, the fact that we are additionally capped by the push stream concurrency in HTTP/3 does not change the big picture. In HTTP/2, pushing too much is only a problem when you push something that the client already has cached (or otherwise does not need) or if you invert the priorities and push something instead of sending something more important. But in HTTP/2 there is no performance problem with pushing an unlimited number of resources, so long as they are all "required" and "important". This is not the case with push. Promising more resources than the concurrent stream limit is a performance regression. I think this is non-obvious. > > * I could almost imagine replacing PUSH_PROMISE completely by a BLOCK_UNTIL_PUSH_RECEIVED frame which specifies a QUIC stream ID and prevents the app from processing the rest of the body until the specified push stream's initial headers are received. > > I presume that's the same as what I originally proposed in this issue? Personally, I think I am fine with either ways. What I'm unhappy with status-quo is that there is two ways of doing one thing, which is causing complexity. I think this could be what you proposed initially, though I have one point of clarification. I understood the DUPLICATE_PUSH semantics to be that the client would continue to process the body of the stream on which the DUPLICATE_PUSH was sent, but that any requests would be blocked until the associated PUSH_PROMISE was received. I don't like this idea because it blocks all requests, not just those which the server intended to promise. Instead, I'd propose that the frame (whatever we call it) blocks the processing of the stream on which the frame was sent, which prevents the client from discovering the link to the promised resource until the push headers have arrived. (Of course the server should send the push headers on the push stream before it sends the frame on the original stream thus typically the push headers will arrive before the frame). Is this latter behavior what you were thinking? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3275#issuecomment-561215368 ----==_mimepart_5de67d6c5ca8_17df3fd1992cd9682417eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I am not sure how different they are. As you correctly point out, the benefit you achieve by pushing is limited to one BDP in HTTP/2. As there is the potential of pushing a response that has already been cached by the client, pushing too much has been a bad idea in HTTP/2. IMO, the fact that we are additionally capped by the push stream concurrency in HTTP/3 does not change the big picture.

In HTTP/2, pushing too much is only a problem when you push something that the client already has cached (or otherwise does not need) or if you invert the priorities and push something instead of sending something more important. But in HTTP/2 there is no performance problem with pushing an unlimited number of resources, so long as they are all "required" and "important".

This is not the case with push. Promising more resources than the concurrent stream limit is a performance regression. I think this is non-obvious.

  • I could almost imagine replacing PUSH_PROMISE completely by a BLOCK_UNTIL_PUSH_RECEIVED frame which specifies a QUIC stream ID and prevents the app from processing the rest of the body until the specified push stream's initial headers are received.

I presume that's the same as what I originally proposed in this issue? Personally, I think I am fine with either ways. What I'm unhappy with status-quo is that there is two ways of doing one thing, which is causing complexity.

I think this could be what you proposed initially, though I have one point of clarification. I understood the DUPLICATE_PUSH semantics to be that the client would continue to process the body of the stream on which the DUPLICATE_PUSH was sent, but that any requests would be blocked until the associated PUSH_PROMISE was received. I don't like this idea because it blocks all requests, not just those which the server intended to promise. Instead, I'd propose that the frame (whatever we call it) blocks the processing of the stream on which the frame was sent, which prevents the client from discovering the link to the promised resource until the push headers have arrived. (Of course the server should send the push headers on the push stream before it sends the frame on the original stream thus typically the push headers will arrive before the frame).

Is this latter behavior what you were thinking?

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Recall that in HTTP/2, the motivating use case for PUSH_PROMISE was the ability to promise more resources than the open stream limit would allow to be pushed. (Consider an image search in which the server wants to push a grid of 100 thumbnails when the open stream limit is 10).

Was that a feature or a bug? By my understanding, we've been attempting to fix that accounting loophole in HTTP/3.

Some of what is being discussed here is a retread of #2559 (in particular #2559 (comment))

However, in HTTP/3 this is not the case. The server will be unable to open a new push stream until it receives a new MAX_STREAMS from the client increasing the limit. But that burns an RTT. In which case, there's no point in pushing at all. So to avoid this, a client could increase the MAX_STREAMS to some sort of enormous value. But that does not behave like the HTTP/2 open stream limit.

I don't follow. The HTTP/2 behaviour seems to equate to constrained concurrent requests, and uncontrained pushes. Therefore, setting a sensible value for MAX_STREAMS bidi and an enormous value for MAX_STREAMS uni seems like what you want. Although I not convinced that is a feature.

At a minimum we should probably provide advice about how the client should manage MAX_STREAMS and MAX_PUSH_ID

If you're trying to mimic the "push 100 tumbnails without an RTT" behaviour, you'll have to keep in mind the value of initial_max_stream_data_uni too.

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----==_mimepart_5de681a14947e_34433f850a0cd964111576-- From nobody Tue Dec 3 07:50:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC8B71200A1 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 07:50:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BSV6M8djyu_Q for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 07:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 548F512006B for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 07:50:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B79A03B2 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 07:50:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575388246; bh=UCB6Z4xHP2PgViFBFD7uLZOyauq/iqTs/uG0bTsABOg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dgn7cyjGa3TQIFcPbHC0O0OmWLfVKv2Ws8Fl8zpNwG/6PZuuILjoTzwGpEv1aDM1o I/DcclA+kmGQxl3BC6oLMOXAeg0AfgQfon680Oh/cuCoRRZZ6oIyND3TnAchjaaJNw cTcEUf3XUVfB49KIwof8J9jwJY+p1ERRbkKKVs7k= Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 07:50:46 -0800 From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Encrypting Retry token (#3274) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de684567fef9_e483fc7018cd964112572"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 15:50:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de684567fef9_e483fc7018cd964112572 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What about the cost to the recipient of the Retry packet? Currently, it is as simple as [looking up the token in a hash](https://github.com/litespeedtech/lsquic/blob/7ee4152504cba5b0a4b79ed9eab2cf8134128975/src/liblsquic/lsquic_engine.c#L1211). IIUC, encrypting the token would replace the hash lookup with a decryption operation? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3274#issuecomment-561229121 ----==_mimepart_5de684567fef9_e483fc7018cd964112572 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

What about the cost to the recipient of the Retry packet? Currently, it is as simple as looking up the token in a hash. IIUC, encrypting the token would replace the hash lookup with a decryption operation?

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I'm working with our hardware vendor that does DoS mitigation for Azure. Give me a little time and I'll try to get back to you with data.

Also, as far as the cost to the client for Retry, IMO, the higher the better. The goal in this scenario is to make it more expensive for attackers who are spamming initial packets. For a normal client creating a single connection, the cost is insignificant as ekr points out.

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(Consider an image search in which the server wants to push a grid of 100 thumbnails when the open stream limit is 10). > > Was that a feature or a bug? By my understanding, we've been attempting to fix that accounting loophole in HTTP/3. It was definitely a feature! (Though the lack of *any* limit on the number of promised resources might have been a bug). In particular, the feature came into existence because, iirc, because Roberto tried to do a server push demo of exactly this use case (page of thumbnails) but it didn't work because the stream limits got in the way. After that, he proposed the push/promise distinction with the explicit intent of allowing more promises than pushes. > Some of what is being discussed here is a retread of #2559 (in particular [#2559 (comment)](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2559#issuecomment-476961392)) Agreed. To be clear, I rather like the explicit MAX_STREAMS signal. For bidirectional streams and web browsing, this seems to work out extremely nicely. For server push, on the other hand, it's a non-obvious sharp edge, particular with respect to HTTP/2. (So at a minimum, I think we should provide guidance on how to push with HTTP/3 effectively) > > However, in HTTP/3 this is not the case. The server will be unable to open a new push stream until it receives a new MAX_STREAMS from the client increasing the limit. But that burns an RTT. In which case, there's no point in pushing at all. So to avoid this, a client could increase the MAX_STREAMS to some sort of enormous value. But that does not behave like the HTTP/2 open stream limit. > > I don't follow. The HTTP/2 behaviour seems to equate to constrained concurrent requests, and uncontrained pushes. Therefore, setting a sensible value for `MAX_STREAMS bidi` and an enormous value for `MAX_STREAMS uni` seems like what you want. Not quite. HTTP/2 provides unlimited *promises*, but limited concurrent *pushes* (via the open steams limit). HTTP/3 can limit promises via MAX_PUSH_ID, and limit concurrent pushed via MAX_STREAMS uni. So to replicate HTTP/2, and HTTP/3 client could try a huge MAX_PUSH_ID and a small MAX_STREAMS uni. That would have the same concurrent behavior as HTTP/2, but would run the risky of adding a 1-RTT delay for pushes above the MAX_STREAMS limit. > Although I not convinced that is a feature. That's a fair point. If so we should probably have guidance how managing MAX_PUSH_ID and MAX_STREAMS uni together to make this obvious. (Though at this point I'm coming around the to position of other folks in Chrome that push in general is rarely a performance win and typically a footgun and we should stop using it) > > At a minimum we should probably provide advice about how the client should manage MAX_STREAMS and MAX_PUSH_ID > > If you're trying to mimic the "push 100 tumbnails without an RTT" behaviour, you'll have to keep in mind the value of initial_max_stream_data_uni too. Yes, flow control also comes into play for sure. (Thankfully that's not much different from HTTP/2). If a client's flow control limits are less than a BDP, the client is "gonna have a bad time" :) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3275#issuecomment-561236987 ----==_mimepart_5de6885417466_6a033fb6260cd96c17802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Recall that in HTTP/2, the motivating use case for PUSH_PROMISE was the ability to promise more resources than the open stream limit would allow to be pushed. (Consider an image search in which the server wants to push a grid of 100 thumbnails when the open stream limit is 10).

Was that a feature or a bug? By my understanding, we've been attempting to fix that accounting loophole in HTTP/3.

It was definitely a feature! (Though the lack of any limit on the number of promised resources might have been a bug). In particular, the feature came into existence because, iirc, because Roberto tried to do a server push demo of exactly this use case (page of thumbnails) but it didn't work because the stream limits got in the way. After that, he proposed the push/promise distinction with the explicit intent of allowing more promises than pushes.

Some of what is being discussed here is a retread of #2559 (in particular #2559 (comment))

Agreed. To be clear, I rather like the explicit MAX_STREAMS signal. For bidirectional streams and web browsing, this seems to work out extremely nicely.

For server push, on the other hand, it's a non-obvious sharp edge, particular with respect to HTTP/2. (So at a minimum, I think we should provide guidance on how to push with HTTP/3 effectively)

However, in HTTP/3 this is not the case. The server will be unable to open a new push stream until it receives a new MAX_STREAMS from the client increasing the limit. But that burns an RTT. In which case, there's no point in pushing at all. So to avoid this, a client could increase the MAX_STREAMS to some sort of enormous value. But that does not behave like the HTTP/2 open stream limit.

I don't follow. The HTTP/2 behaviour seems to equate to constrained concurrent requests, and uncontrained pushes. Therefore, setting a sensible value for MAX_STREAMS bidi and an enormous value for MAX_STREAMS uni seems like what you want.

Not quite. HTTP/2 provides unlimited promises, but limited concurrent pushes (via the open steams limit). HTTP/3 can limit promises via MAX_PUSH_ID, and limit concurrent pushed via MAX_STREAMS uni. So to replicate HTTP/2, and HTTP/3 client could try a huge MAX_PUSH_ID and a small MAX_STREAMS uni. That would have the same concurrent behavior as HTTP/2, but would run the risky of adding a 1-RTT delay for pushes above the MAX_STREAMS limit.

Although I not convinced that is a feature.

That's a fair point. If so we should probably have guidance how managing MAX_PUSH_ID and MAX_STREAMS uni together to make this obvious. (Though at this point I'm coming around the to position of other folks in Chrome that push in general is rarely a performance win and typically a footgun and we should stop using it)

At a minimum we should probably provide advice about how the client should manage MAX_STREAMS and MAX_PUSH_ID

If you're trying to mimic the "push 100 tumbnails without an RTT" behaviour, you'll have to keep in mind the value of initial_max_stream_data_uni too.

Yes, flow control also comes into play for sure. (Thankfully that's not much different from HTTP/2). If a client's flow control limits are less than a BDP, the client is "gonna have a bad time" :)

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----==_mimepart_5de6885417466_6a033fb6260cd96c17802-- From nobody Tue Dec 3 10:16:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F661200CE for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 10:16:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AD3KkvcSJcl9 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 10:16:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAE0F12000F for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 10:16:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 10:16:52 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575397012; bh=v6B4bKkvmdv/4owGF3QjN4MWx9aR8BP+3Behwpx3AU8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=afy56WTAPNdv0/fgRDCgqiy6p7xwh43G98bcNdbKxgsNGdAbRokXv5V68fHcrX1Pg IR05zYlpmZprFUWrZ62WUzjL5DhqV/hFAqCZZqz5K3S18PJzWOHX8oRy2TXkFA+daJ tJ2xkL7vabfeLd2ZXbJd48k2pqIY98+tQMnh3+ck= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameters varint (#3169) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de6a694e25f8_748b3fc4d0acd9681340e2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 18:16:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de6a694e25f8_748b3fc4d0acd9681340e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson I don't think we've quite decided not to do this yet. The sense I got in the room in Cupertino was that some folks were opposed to changing this, but the main opposition was the fact that I had conflated three issues into one (TLS presentation language, IANA registry, varint). The first one #3108 was merged, the second one #3170 is almost merged. I was thinking of filing a new issue and rebasing this PR when #3170 gets merged to have a conversation specific to this change. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3169#issuecomment-561291569 ----==_mimepart_5de6a694e25f8_748b3fc4d0acd9681340e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Jana, can I read your reply to Ian as "I agree, but there are no MUSTs we want to include, since the SHOULDs is BCP145 are the best we can do"? If so, maybe the right thing to do is close this issue with just the more precise pointer. I do believe, however, it would then be better to recast the sentence to make the pronounce/antecedent clearer. For example:

If an endpoint uses a different controller than that specified in this document, the chosen controller MUST conform to the congestion control guidelines specified in Section 3.1 of
{{!RFC8085}}.

There are other ways to phrase it, of course. That would alleviate my concern that a naive reader might believe that they could roll their own behavior; that's particularly worrying when the very first item in 3.1 allows this:

If an application or protocol chooses not to use a congestion-
controlled transport protocol, it SHOULD control the rate at which it
sends UDP datagrams to a destination host, in order to fulfill the
requirements of [RFC2914].

It's all too easy to read that as allowing simple packet-pacing to suffice for QUIC here. If the reader knows that they have to pick a known congestion controller, we'll be better off.

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My recollection matches that of @martinthomson. Unfortunately, I don't see it in the IETF 106 minutes and I don't have it in my own notes (I wasn't documenting every issue we covered...)

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FWIW my recollection also matches that of @martinthomson, and the relevant minutes are at https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/blob/master/interim-19-10/minutes.md#issue-3020-transport-parameter-registry-changes. It was discussed in Cupertino.

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I agree with @DavidSchinazi. Now that we're not using TLS presentation language any more, there's no need to continue using uint16s.

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----==_mimepart_5de70d901adcf_7df3fb9d8acd95c8463b-- From nobody Tue Dec 3 17:52:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C5712001A for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 17:52:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HhLZRAMzBUeL for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 17:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E246D12000F for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 17:52:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-28f8021.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-28f8021.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.98]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC028C01E6 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 17:52:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575424331; bh=0KIbo/wElfv4oNTvE4I2JU/Uf372YmNEFVTLu7tLADQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IHNvN8BhGUm1RXpWbIj32PA2XGizLqfx6nUrmmZq33QuJC0BQ++EU0W+CiaA5aC9D nBeo/yuoSLvAty0i6MWKfjzq4pgx1MGYAxbXKg6CcF2zZXiJ7MvgPiuZUjZlXbSm6D GCOBIOFV2nFI0QkDJsOfHinTAHMQ5dAEwrha6WnI= Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 17:52:11 -0800 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameters varint (#3169) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de7114b2c4b6_77913f9221ecd964209887"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 01:52:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de7114b2c4b6_77913f9221ecd964209887 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I agree with @DavidSchinazi. Now that we're not using TLS presentation language any more, there's no need to continue using uint16s. I disagree with that way of thinking, as it is my understanding that we agreed on moving away from TLS presentation language _based on the premise_ that we would be using 16-bit lengths. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3169#issuecomment-561438777 ----==_mimepart_5de7114b2c4b6_77913f9221ecd964209887 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree with @DavidSchinazi. Now that we're not using TLS presentation language any more, there's no need to continue using uint16s.

I disagree with that way of thinking, as it is my understanding that we agreed on moving away from TLS presentation language based on the premise that we would be using 16-bit lengths.

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----==_mimepart_5de7114b2c4b6_77913f9221ecd964209887-- From nobody Tue Dec 3 18:36:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731FE120059 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 18:36:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id McbXj5GW8LmF for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 18:36:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 849BB12001A for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 18:36:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.57]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5012D960804 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 18:36:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575426962; bh=VTL+jrlLu+s7rg3JcbKI8oS472Cs3a+XO5lGZd0BBec=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Cfkaqx4w3PQFom5G63KWIbsj+rgSbzymBS8c7nSK5ShFGxiIx+MDtYJrexdufnEU1 KY9OYwgL3WFR0F1PRRqs9NmYlPlKYQreZG/7kpuHiweltywl0LAiyPHe8wB4DpFSf2 vbgbKnRFobf5e0PzQ1rJD2fT2sXJlQzvd+QodCdU= Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 18:36:02 -0800 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why are there two ways of associating push with requests? (#3275) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de71b9241b91_6eb83f8c788cd964215878"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 02:36:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de71b9241b91_6eb83f8c788cd964215878 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tend to agree with what @RyanAtGoogle says. IIUC, one of the reasons we have push ID in addition to stream IDs is to limit the exposure of transport features to the application protocol. However, as @ianswett points out in #3273, there is already a leak in the abstraction. Therefore, I think we can (and should) directly use stream IDs. Doing so would resolve the concern that the push might get blocked by stream concurrency. >>> * I could almost imagine replacing PUSH_PROMISE completely by a BLOCK_UNTIL_PUSH_RECEIVED frame which specifies a QUIC stream ID and prevents the app from processing the rest of the body until the specified push stream's initial headers are received. >> >> I presume that's the same as what I originally proposed in this issue? Personally, I think I am fine with either ways. What I'm unhappy with status-quo is that there is two ways of doing one thing, which is causing complexity.> > > I think this could be what you proposed initially, though I have one point of clarification. I understood the DUPLICATE_PUSH semantics to be that the client would continue to process the body of the stream on which the DUPLICATE_PUSH was sent, but that any requests would be blocked until the associated PUSH_PROMISE was received. I don't like this idea because it blocks all requests, not just those which the server intended to promise. Instead, I'd propose that the frame (whatever we call it) blocks the processing of the stream on which the frame was sent, which prevents the client from discovering the link to the promised resource until the push headers have arrived. (Of course the server should send the push headers on the push stream before it sends the frame on the original stream thus typically the push headers will arrive before the frame). > > Is this latter behavior what you were thinking? To me, those two approaches sounds like something that a client can choose from, though I agree that the latter is better as it introduces less blocking. 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I tend to agree with what @RyanAtGoogle says.

IIUC, one of the reasons we have push ID in addition to stream IDs is to limit the exposure of transport features to the application protocol. However, as @ianswett points out in #3273, there is already a leak in the abstraction.

Therefore, I think we can (and should) directly use stream IDs. Doing so would resolve the concern that the push might get blocked by stream concurrency.

  • I could almost imagine replacing PUSH_PROMISE completely by a BLOCK_UNTIL_PUSH_RECEIVED frame which specifies a QUIC stream ID and prevents the app from processing the rest of the body until the specified push stream's initial headers are received.

I presume that's the same as what I originally proposed in this issue? Personally, I think I am fine with either ways. What I'm unhappy with status-quo is that there is two ways of doing one thing, which is causing complexity.>

I think this could be what you proposed initially, though I have one point of clarification. I understood the DUPLICATE_PUSH semantics to be that the client would continue to process the body of the stream on which the DUPLICATE_PUSH was sent, but that any requests would be blocked until the associated PUSH_PROMISE was received. I don't like this idea because it blocks all requests, not just those which the server intended to promise. Instead, I'd propose that the frame (whatever we call it) blocks the processing of the stream on which the frame was sent, which prevents the client from discovering the link to the promised resource until the push headers have arrived. (Of course the server should send the push headers on the push stream before it sends the frame on the original stream thus typically the push headers will arrive before the frame).

Is this latter behavior what you were thinking?

To me, those two approaches sounds like something that a client can choose from, though I agree that the latter is better as it introduces less blocking. If the HTTP/3 draft is not already clear about the intention, it might be a good idea to open an editorial issue, because IMO that is a problem with the DUPLICATE_PUSH frame that already exists.

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There were a few people who didn't make this first cut, but who made what - in my judgment - were minor contributions only. That's obviously a little subjective and only based on the information I have, so people who contributed text are more likely to appear here. Let me know about obvious omissions. Also, @janaiyengar might have a few names to add. This is currently failing to build properly due to some problems with Unicode processing in xml2rfc. There is apparently no path that will preserve Unicode text, despite claims in RFC 7997 that what I'm trying to do here is entirely reasonable. Stay tuned. I hope to have some progress to report eventually. For #3278. 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There were a few people who didn't make this first cut, but who made what - in my judgment - were minor contributions only. That's obviously a little subjective and only based on the information I have, so people who contributed text are more likely to appear here. Let me know about obvious omissions. Also, @janaiyengar might have a few names to add. This is currently failing to build properly due to some problems with Unicode processing in xml2rfc. There is apparently no path that will preserve Unicode text, despite claims in RFC 7997 that what I'm trying to do here is entirely reasonable. Stay tuned. I hope to have some progress to report eventually. For #3278. 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This is based on my scan of the git logs AND the working group mailing
list. There were a few people who didn't make this first cut, but who
made what - in my judgment - were minor contributions only. That's
obviously a little subjective and only based on the information I have,
so people who contributed text are more likely to appear here.

Let me know about obvious omissions. Also, @janaiyengar might have a
few names to add.

This is currently failing to build properly due to some problems with
Unicode processing in xml2rfc. There is apparently no path that will
preserve Unicode text, despite claims in RFC 7997 that what I'm trying
to do here is entirely reasonable.

Stay tuned. I hope to have some progress to report eventually.

For #3278.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3283

Commit Summary

  • Contributors for -transport and -tls

File Changes

Patch Links:

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----==_mimepart_5de72355ba6a9_70f53f9baeccd95c163582-- From nobody Tue Dec 3 19:17:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9121C1200B4 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 19:17:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.072 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.072 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.073, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AgUnVj-TF9tA for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 19:17:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C10431200A4 for ; Tue, 3 Dec 2019 19:17:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 19:17:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575429473; bh=C2yimaA9COuEWlTS6L7yLA4jPz6dDwZ0m8F6BLYJBqo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eBM2DQfwn1WjQH7FxCBqfxVPkvVb9GaclUkHymMjzb6pw8oEUB+A0i1Qzw7MB+Tmi gMyk3r0E2aoMxxdDjThey6vpL23gKRog7H16bSgFYnjaGRHwjRkrUPlXiQnmfonxNB Zkdohik0wOCpkkdHZ+fUwIBl6NQVxJwngn4fztYY= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why are there two ways of associating push with requests? (#3275) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de72561102be_55483f7fd68cd96822944d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 03:17:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de72561102be_55483f7fd68cd96822944d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Unlimited pushes in HTTP/2 was a bug, not a feature. The concurrency limit might have applied in theory, but the ability to run the entire stream lifecycle without feedback meant that there was no limit in practice other than those imposed by TCP - on either promises or responses. The important feature, which we retained, was the ability to decouple the stream limits and the number of promises. That's why we have push IDs. Assuming the client is configured for that, the separate limit on push promises ensures that promises can greatly exceed the number of active streams. I think that is the ideal situation if the client is somehow resource-limited, so it can accept N promises and then receive M (Unlimited pushes in HTTP/2 was a bug, not a feature. The concurrency limit might have applied in theory, but the ability to run the entire stream lifecycle without feedback meant that there was no limit in practice other than those imposed by TCP - on either promises or responses.

The important feature, which we retained, was the ability to decouple the stream limits and the number of promises. That's why we have push IDs. Assuming the client is configured for that, the separate limit on push promises ensures that promises can greatly exceed the number of active streams. I think that is the ideal situation if the client is somehow resource-limited, so it can accept N promises and then receive M (<N) responses for those promises.

In other words, I see no reason to change the current design. If this is the result of general antipathy toward server push, that's fine, but we're not in a stage of development where we can afford to make changes at such a fundamental level without serious impact on our schedule. Besides, I'm not seeing a proposal here that would be anything less than a regression in some way.

If someone wants to contribute text that walks through some of the trade-offs inherent in setting different limits (whether that be streams, flow control, or push IDs) for people who might want to implement or deploy HTTP, that seems fine. As this is highly context-dependent, it might be hard to avoid certain biases. I certainly wouldn't want to block publication if such guidance were absent.

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Consider the can opened.

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----==_mimepart_5de788d67fd64_2e623fd024acd968268181-- From nobody Wed Dec 4 05:54:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C6012012E for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 05:54:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6gzSP3G3pfkP for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 05:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5FE71200FE for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 05:54:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cd7bc13.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.102]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB64960695 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 05:54:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575467662; bh=SgVriIFgqmLxONx/GG1Iv24Okse26rY9Juob5t90DnE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lwcHOgf83pYZ37vQYdv86U9nKJl54eTT22ImY1dfALzJfv0zY+SB8+SAWGiEzWgUC 4WM+ALwdIYlOOBbXsLaZD6I7zLUzi9FKbtUJumIG0oeD0RWkyu4Pksa95IYyjUimID T3oAJWJBb6rW6ECsm3tD2xLYRENoYKsgveFixTfY= Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 05:54:22 -0800 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why are there two ways of associating push with requests? (#3275) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de7ba8ebfdcd_246d3ff23cacd9603656cf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 13:54:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de7ba8ebfdcd_246d3ff23cacd9603656cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd suggest removing DUPLICATE_PUSH and allowing duplicate PUSH_PROMISE frames on different response streams. I'd be hesitant to make larger changes at this point and I think Push IDs are an improvement over HTTP/2. DUPLICATE_PUSH saves a few bytes over an equivalent PUSH_PROMISE, but I believe has no value. Think of the two cases: 1) No loss or reordering, the client has already received the PUSH_PROMISE. DUPLICATE_PUSH should not change the client response. 2) DUPLICATE_PUSH arrives before PUSH_PROMISE. But the client doesn't know what was pushed. It has the choice of indefinitely delaying all requests on the page, which is almost certainly a performance degradation in most cases or ignoring it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3275#issuecomment-561655341 ----==_mimepart_5de7ba8ebfdcd_246d3ff23cacd9603656cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'd suggest removing DUPLICATE_PUSH and allowing duplicate PUSH_PROMISE frames on different response streams. I'd be hesitant to make larger changes at this point and I think Push IDs are an improvement over HTTP/2.

DUPLICATE_PUSH saves a few bytes over an equivalent PUSH_PROMISE, but I believe has no value. Think of the two cases:

  1. No loss or reordering, the client has already received the PUSH_PROMISE. DUPLICATE_PUSH should not change the client response.
  2. DUPLICATE_PUSH arrives before PUSH_PROMISE. But the client doesn't know what was pushed. It has the choice of indefinitely delaying all requests on the page, which is almost certainly a performance degradation in most cases or ignoring it.

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The notes are really sparse on the varint conversation, varint is mentioned 3 times.

Because this issue was conflated with other issues, it wasn't discussed much by itself. I thought we decided to split it up, do the first two, and then discuss the third, which I remember some in the room commenting wasn't going to happen, but I didn't think that constituted consensus of any sort.

All that said, unless we have strong support for changing this, I think the status quo wins.

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I'd suggest removing DUPLICATE_PUSH and allowing duplicate PUSH_PROMIS= E frames on different response streams.
DUPLICATE_PUSH saves a few bytes over an equivalent PUSH_PROMISE, but I b= elieve has no value.

What we have now addresses a specific concern raised on #1864 about how to handle multiple PUSH_PROMISES with the same ID. Mike sugg= ested some points that could be address on that ticket #1864 (c= omment) if we continued to allow multiple PUSH_PROMISE:

* Maintains a list of active promises for which it is still wi=
lling to accept an additional reference to the promise, including the unc=
ompressed headers for the promise (likely until the promise is fulfilled,=
 possibly plus a timeout)
* Verifies that the headers match exactly when receiving an additional re=
ference to one of these promises; MUST error if they don't.
* If a promise is received for an ID which has already been flushed from =
the list, the promise is ignored

A PR that proposes removing DUPLICATE_PUSH should address the above.

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The paragraph in question (see HTTP draft, section 8) talks about different things:

   Because new error codes can be defined without negotiation (see
   Section 9), receipt of an unknown error code or use of an error code
   in an unexpected context MUST NOT be treated as an error.  However,
   closing a stream can constitute an error regardless of the error code
   (see Section 4.1).

Let's break it up to make it easier to talk about:

  1. Treating an unexpected error code as an error is not allowed, in particular:
    a. Receiving unknown error is not an error in itself (a "further" error); and
    b. Receiving an unexpected error code (known or unknown) is not an error.
  2. A stream close may be an error independent of error code.

Item 1(a) follows from Section 9. This does not need to be stated here.

Item 1(b) seems to suggest that error codes are not to be used to make decisions, for they could be anything, notwithstanding all the "MUST treat as error type" admonitions elsewhere in the code. (This is what the text implies, which may not be what was intended.)

Item 2 says that some error occur due to changes in stream state and are not communicated via an error code from peer.

I would drop Items 1(a) and 1(b); Item 2 can be rephrased.

P.S. Given the loose treatment given to error codes by their recipient, it is logical to allow their sender to keep on treating specified errors as errors ("MUST treat as error..."), but allow setting the error codes to anything. Stating that "MUST treat as error of type X and SHOULD set error code to X" sounds awkward; perhaps this guidance could be added to Section 8 as a new item.

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----==_mimepart_5de7e117e0517_2c083fa17d4cd96c1306c1-- From nobody Wed Dec 4 09:50:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92915120937 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:50:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9BHSONaXozgl for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:50:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DD5A120907 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 09:50:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 09:50:08 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575481808; bh=b4ctsgJVDMOfZwsA+Qqc4rphKviLG9k6iaA/o5Pj7a8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=1sc9zBVTxKPjy1hVu3PcZnRDE8DHgrE9uzX5twvaT96dSPWVRj8H5wf2CnZTwJmDG yTYyYimRw6jiNiTdnlht+GFDOl3fnJls+XZ9bDHVuj4OsBe3MGgqSvVWYU8f5WyGNc HVIMCFWsMEAW7HnKSYquiRxDV8FbgDI2+0/m0IJ4= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 references QUIC Stream IDs directly, allowing illegal references (#3273) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de7f1d017143_35fa3fe6ea8cd9601608ae"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:50:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de7f1d017143_35fa3fe6ea8cd9601608ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > This seems a bit at odd with our design principles, since it requires the HTTP/3 implementation to understand the QUIC Stream ID numbering scheme. While the issue is closed, I wanted to point out that it does not imply this requirement. I've held very strictly to this mental model: - HTTP/3 can ask QUIC for a stream of a given type - HTTP/3 can query the newly-received stream for its ID - HTTP/3 can thereafter use the ID to refer to the stream - HTTP/3 can query QUIC for the type of a given Stream ID and/or retrieve a stream by ID and then query its type If QUIC were to change how Stream IDs are allocated, the changes could be entirely within the transport. Now, it's a fair critique to say that this model is not explicitly stated in the draft, and so it's not guaranteed that any given implementation would actually preserve this flexibility. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3273#issuecomment-561763014 ----==_mimepart_5de7f1d017143_35fa3fe6ea8cd9601608ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This seems a bit at odd with our design principles, since it requires the HTTP/3 implementation to understand the QUIC Stream ID numbering scheme.

While the issue is closed, I wanted to point out that it does not imply this requirement. I've held very strictly to this mental model:

  • HTTP/3 can ask QUIC for a stream of a given type
  • HTTP/3 can query the newly-received stream for its ID
  • HTTP/3 can thereafter use the ID to refer to the stream
  • HTTP/3 can query QUIC for the type of a given Stream ID and/or retrieve a stream by ID and then query its type

If QUIC were to change how Stream IDs are allocated, the changes could be entirely within the transport. Now, it's a fair critique to say that this model is not explicitly stated in the draft, and so it's not guaranteed that any given implementation would actually preserve this flexibility.

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I was aware of the first 3, but It's the last requirement that I wasn't sure of:

  • HTTP/3 can query QUIC for the type of a given Stream ID and/or retrieve a stream by ID and then query its type

In this case, in order to ensure the GOAWAY doesn't reference an invalid Stream ID, you need to be able to query the type of a Stream ID even if the stream hasn't been created.

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----==_mimepart_5de8296022713_7e7a3fe2906cd95c51156-- From nobody Wed Dec 4 17:20:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909A2120809 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 17:20:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.883 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.883 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, PDS_BTC_ID=0.499, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 112KDQ_cyg6n for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 17:20:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78A6B120980 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 17:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8A41C2F2C for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 17:20:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575508838; bh=5jHKEykCUILGInotMm8Mhg0+7hrgR4R9ih1V3EUOUXw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kDlYBOYvAKOZLqMkwa1cU25nV7POsUODxY3dkoLVxjcAM0uZTaYiCvMEWoM/pcGuP AasU/2/eMd5O19qQoRXKMKFmi9CUgWrW5R4qAOASxFun9QIqV9RHhpCfsBi9qc0qva bSE3oUGG6rT6hsDx4iHMvy91n2hbJl+YXEQ3VyoM= Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:20:38 -0800 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 references QUIC Stream IDs directly, allowing illegal references (#3273) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de85b665b047_85a3f90062cd96013022b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 01:20:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de85b665b047_85a3f90062cd96013022b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I agree with @ianswett. One trivial example is the value of GOAWAY.stream_id when the server closes an HTTP/3 connection that has carried no request. In such case, it is my understanding that GOAWAY.stream_id should be zero. But how does the server determine that value? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3273#issuecomment-561922788 ----==_mimepart_5de85b665b047_85a3f90062cd96013022b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think I agree with @ianswett.

One trivial example is the value of GOAWAY.stream_id when the server closes an HTTP/3 connection that has carried no request. In such case, it is my understanding that GOAWAY.stream_id should be zero. But how does the server determine that value?

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I think this is a very good idea. Thanks for doing the work @martinthomson.

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@larseggert : I think we can make this work.

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----==_mimepart_5de872fdc6f56_37df3fddefecd9686548e-- From nobody Wed Dec 4 19:07:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402C312018B for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 19:07:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q_wcPtfGT60W for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 19:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3F0F120133 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 19:07:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 19:07:28 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575515248; bh=8XVgiHFWWLbEHMAs4umfNjICcJO8vo3IEjhVV6A79Jo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gABkJ1AY9vS+mr1LQb/f2Lai0aBeNND5EXzon0Q4E3Ph6ZhrzPhddGdgzn3C5e6c4 uUoYBBd1VaJZ4U0OsDf5pPsNUsZVqfUAMVkdnA6hCrzIyaRlzird1qUWzIn/0Wx1jt mUUBkliiVuXCYB9LtOdfFUW7mOVgTx/GPmSgIaoA= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 references QUIC Stream IDs directly, allowing illegal references (#3273) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de87470e3461_2683fe905ccd96c13696"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 03:07:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de87470e3461_2683fe905ccd96c13696 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is I think an additional assumption here: that stream IDs are allocated in ascending order. More or less. That isn't a hard requirement, but it informs how effective GOAWAY is. ``` global varint max_request_stream_id = 0; on handling(request): max_request_stream_id = max(max_request_stream_id, request.stream_id) on sending(goaway): goaway.stream_id = max_request_stream_id for r in open requests: if r.stream_id < max_request_stream_id: r.reset() ``` See, not especially complicated, but the extent to which you have to reset streams depends on the order in which stream IDs are allocated. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3273#issuecomment-561946811 ----==_mimepart_5de87470e3461_2683fe905ccd96c13696 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There is I think an additional assumption here: that stream IDs are allocated in ascending order. More or less. That isn't a hard requirement, but it informs how effective GOAWAY is.

global varint max_request_stream_id = 0;

on handling(request):
    max_request_stream_id = max(max_request_stream_id, request.stream_id)

on sending(goaway):
    goaway.stream_id = max_request_stream_id
    for r in open requests:
        if r.stream_id < max_request_stream_id:
            r.reset()

See, not especially complicated, but the extent to which you have to reset streams depends on the order in which stream IDs are allocated.

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@kazuho : In theory, if we use the max of counts when setting the timer, it is possible for a single pto_count to increase without increasing the max. Which means that the sender can effectively seem to not back off sometimes, causing it to be potentially more aggressive than after the handshake.

I might have been a bit harsh earlier -- I think this is fine.

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5653e33 fixed this, but I missed the # in the comment, so this didn't get closed.

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Closed #3176.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No point here. 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No point here. Let's just do 25 instead.

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Closed #3282.

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In PR #3120, @huitema wrote:

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In Singapore, we were debating whether to just do checksum, versus enc= rypt and use an initial vector based on the CID. I wanted to compare the = two variants using a benchmark designed for Picotls, but I ran into a lit= tle bit of trouble because of the structure of the picotls encryption API= , which looks like:

=0D
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  1. Initialize an encryption context with the key context, the IV, and th= e authenticated data
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  2. Encrypt the message
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  3. Compute the AEAD checksum
    4. =0D
=0D

With that API, there is no option to not use an IV,. Using a constant = IV would have exactly the same cost as using a variable IV. I went on to = compare the time to encrypt 64 bytes versus the time to just authenticate= 64 bytes. Results are below for two implementations of AES128 GCM, one f= rom OpenSSL crypto library and another from Windows Bcrypt library -- bot= h measured using 64 bit code on my Windows laptop:

=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D
=C2=A0encryptdecryptauthenticateverify
bcrypt0.357510.226020.246870.20189
openssl 1.1.1c0.302110.239560.242960.23926
=0D

The times are measured here in microseconds -- these are the average o= n 100,000 operations. We see that the times are fractions of microseconds= in both cases. The encryption operation is more expensive than a simple = authentication, 45% more with brcrypt, 24% more with openssl. The decrypt= operation is 12% more expensive than the simple authenticate with brcypt= , almost the same with openssl.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Dec 4 19:51:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4051120802 for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 19:51:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a32FwRYqyKKT for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 19:51:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44B5112022D for ; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 19:51:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 19:51:22 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575517882; bh=jZmw55OeAUzeSvTNaw1pfMMqwoRGZ8ENJ+g56NJ3oTk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Clluz6OQVWEaM6HEQ+AUFHZYUAlu7J81kbXh5FZLzHoiX616O/4wBZwK0mqafuFAO aL0QCVJPXq9VyifibcYk+yUK8QtQq+wOiC97kEMzCs1HyFktiXSzWH1WBME9580M4Z riK8Nj0idQ4gO1V8NN25a8EYR7Z6y23wCj+CwDlI= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of corrupt Retry packets (#3014) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de87eba85c26_35b13f9108acd9641639db"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 03:51:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de87eba85c26_35b13f9108acd9641639db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar I appreciate your effort to coordinate the threads; I think the discussion is mostly happening in #3274. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@janaiyengar I appreciate your effort to coordinate the threads; I think the discussion is mostly happening in #3274.

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@martinthomson : yes, and also mark as v2.

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The issue can be marked as such, but the PR can just go quietly.

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I don't see why this is a problem - the stream ID value indicates the type even if an instance of that stream does not exist in a connection. In fact, we rely on this when GOAWAY with MAX_CLIENT_INITIATED_BIDI is sent. @kazuho > One trivial example is the value of GOAWAY.stream_id when the server closes an HTTP/3 connection that has carried no request. In such case, it is my understanding that GOAWAY.stream_id should be zero. But how does the server determine that value? Spec says: > This identifier MAY be zero if no requests were processed. I think MT's example is pretty straightforward way to account -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3273#issuecomment-562163460 ----==_mimepart_5de91a102faf8_3be23fca198cd96c500f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In this case, in order to ensure the GOAWAY doesn't reference an invalid Stream ID, you need to be able to query the type of a Stream ID even if the stream hasn't been created.

I don't see why this is a problem - the stream ID value indicates the type even if an instance of that stream does not exist in a connection. In fact, we rely on this when GOAWAY with MAX_CLIENT_INITIATED_BIDI is sent.

@kazuho

One trivial example is the value of GOAWAY.stream_id when the server closes an HTTP/3 connection that has carried no request. In such case, it is my understanding that GOAWAY.stream_id should be zero. But how does the server determine that value?

Spec says:

This identifier MAY be zero if no requests were processed.

I think MT's example is pretty straightforward way to account

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----==_mimepart_5de91a102faf8_3be23fca198cd96c500f6-- From nobody Thu Dec 5 14:00:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B271200EF for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 14:00:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E2HL4XReqsFi for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 14:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D612120073 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 14:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA452C33A9 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 14:00:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575583246; bh=J1ys60RgYgR5MMYcHxywPfvAWGDx7W3MlpzeOY9Y6NU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=g+74EK1OQcATd1fCpmTBFxp03Q7W3354PG3JHG0lJS8aVuesyqe9Mtx9akm5LOv+q OFlJNZQnVBayUSlLOQdqiImo5LIOCtMcQQqVPdSu096x1+z756vcIgw9dbjQ0gm+yo MVUA/v1iDeebCBKAat1khsm921qBVJbFyyuKHW5g= Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 14:00:46 -0800 From: Junho Choi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recovery: when PTO expires and no data to send (#3286) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5de97e0e3216e_727c3ff3b9acd96469956"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: junhochoi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2019 22:00:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5de97e0e3216e_727c3ff3b9acd96469956 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OnLossDetectionTimeout() pseudo code says: ``` // PTO. Send new data if available, else retransmit old data. // If neither is available, send a single PING frame. ``` And "Sending Probe Packets" says: > When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available to send ... > When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer. For me it's a little wasteful to keep sending an ack-eliciting frame (including PING) as a Probe packet when there is no data to send. In this case if the client become unresponsive before receiving PING, the server may keep sending PING as a Probe packet until idle timeout expires in this case. I think it's better to update as follows: "When there is no data to send and *last Probe packet included an application data*, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer." It will make sure that PING as a Probe packet is sent once when the server has no further data to send. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3286 ----==_mimepart_5de97e0e3216e_727c3ff3b9acd96469956 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

OnLossDetectionTimeout() pseudo code says:

   // PTO. Send new data if available, else retransmit old data.
    // If neither is available, send a single PING frame.

And "Sending Probe Packets" says:

When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available to send
...
When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer.

For me it's a little wasteful to keep sending an ack-eliciting frame (including PING) as a Probe packet when there is no data to send. In this case if the client become unresponsive before receiving PING, the server may keep sending PING as a Probe packet until idle timeout expires in this case.

I think it's better to update as follows:

"When there is no data to send and last Probe packet included an application data, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer."

It will make sure that PING as a Probe packet is sent once when the server has no further data to send.

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This exponential backoff of PING packets is less wasteful than a TCP RTO, since in TCP one can't decide not to retransmit data that was previously sent. It's also an edge case which rarely occurs in practice.

In order to detect persistent congestion correctly, you'll likely need to send multiple PINGs in this case.

Given the above, I'm happy with the current algorithm.

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This exponential backoff of PING packets is less wasteful than a TCP RTO

Do you mean TCP PTO, not RTO?

In order to detect persistent congestion correctly, you'll likely need to send multiple PINGs in this case.

I agree the use case of persistent congestion, but if we detect persistent congestion (collapsing cwnd) by consecutive PINGs, is it over-reacting to cwnd because there is no real data sent?

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@martinthomson I'm not sure if the logic is correct. It is my understanding that the server need to set GOAWAY.stream_id to the largest request stream ID it has processed, added by 4.

This is because the rules are:

  • The GOAWAY frame indicates that client-initiated requests on lower stream IDs were or might be processed in this connection, while requests on the indicated stream ID and greater were rejected (section 5.2).
  • It carries a QUIC Stream ID for a client-initiated bidirectional stream encoded as a variable-length integer (section 7.2.6).

@LPardue My point is that the specification requires a server to send an stream ID it has never seen, when there are no requests inflight.

I thought that it would be good to use as an example the case where no requests have ever been sent, and that the spec has to call out what should happen in that particular case is a leak.

But that might not have been the best example. Maybe I should have given the example when one request is exchanged then the server idle-timeouts. In such case, GOAWAY.stream_id is expected to be 4, which is a stream ID that the server has never seen.

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As long as we don't rely on the stream ID carrying its type (that is, we rely on GOAWAY implicitly identifying the type of stream) we can use +1 rather than +4. Otherwise, yeah, that exposes the internals of the transport.

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we can use +1 rather than +4

That might be the reasonable thing to do. Though I do not care much, because there would be other hidden assumptions regardless: e.g., request stream ID can be represented using a 62-bit unsigned number starting from zero, request stream ID monotonically increases as the client uses them.

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This exponential backoff of PING packets is less wasteful than a TCP RTO

Do you mean TCP PTO, not RTO?

TCP does't have PTO, but the exponential backoff of RTO is most similar to PTO.

In order to detect persistent congestion correctly, you'll likely need to send multiple PINGs in this case.

I agree the use case of persistent congestion, but if we detect persistent congestion (collapsing cwnd) by consecutive PINGs, is it over-reacting to cwnd because there is no real data sent?

In QUIC, a PING packet and a packet containing data are equivalently useful from loss detection and congestion control perspectives, so I don't think it matters whether data is sent.

The text in Section 5.3.1 of recovery says:
"Alternatively, instead of sending an ack-eliciting packet, the sender
MAY mark any packets still in flight as lost. Doing so avoids
sending an additional packet, but increases the risk that loss is
declared too aggressively, resulting in an unnecessary rate reduction
by the congestion controller."

So the suggestion you're describing is permitted, but it's not the recommended behavior.

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Fixes #3245 with the suggested editorial change from @gorryfair An alternative to #3246 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3287 -- Commit Summary -- * Keep RFC6928 non-normative -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (9) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3287.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3287.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3287 ----==_mimepart_5dea78691efd3_7e5c3f92b42cd96411617a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Adds Gorry's suggestion for an editorial improvement.

Fixes #3245 with the suggested editorial change from @gorryfair
An alternative to #3246

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3287

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  • Keep RFC6928 non-normative

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----==_mimepart_5dea78691efd3_7e5c3f92b42cd96411617a-- From nobody Fri Dec 6 07:50:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942B1120828 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 07:50:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M0_gPucBMLWr for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 07:50:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 652C4120020 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 07:50:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29F38C0603 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 07:50:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575647407; bh=eyCCdtnAAjPMZUB2J/Yhl9zDnOHsNVNDh+UtK5JV7gg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VWgo1X4dBqe5/GrZ8uUvosaHzqBztA6Mj6dALzbS1hthY61QMgyxu/PB7F9pFyXu2 doPqrdBYoRIGdxwllIsVD42RyR7b1mMnd2zEY+XdKptY5ICAIAWYprQMjknc2HHBuu PjHivpEs14nKXxWgISt+T1F1Ry9RhTbWD0bZfygA= Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 07:50:07 -0800 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make RFC 6928 normative (#3245) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dea78afa315f_2a2f3fd449acd96c14884d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 15:50:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dea78afa315f_2a2f3fd449acd96c14884d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the suggestion @gorryfair, PR sent. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3245#issuecomment-562626594 ----==_mimepart_5dea78afa315f_2a2f3fd449acd96c14884d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thanks for the suggestion @gorryfair, PR sent.

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Agreed, I think we can close this now.

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Due to code and library complexities, my team could not do the AES testing, but we could generate some results with the ghash. > > The main thing is, encryption vs no encryption. > Using no encryption as base (1x), with ghash calculated, the CPU usage is roughly ~2.5x higher. > > And if we expect AES to be 1.7x to 2.8x slower than ghash, we're looking at 4.25x to 7x slower for no encryption vs AES encryption. And a bit more details in follow up: > Again, these are preliminary numbers, and since we use ghash as benchmark base, the factor with different cpu generation & AES support is a little bit reduced here... > > And, of course, the code is not tuned to the optimal, as we just took from the libraries mentioned by the link. (And I don't know how much of room left to tune the ghash & aes) > > Attached is a little bit more details: ``` No ghash ------------------------------------------------------------ CPU Usage Data1 14% 12% 11% 14% 12% Port InPPS InBPS OutPPS OutBPS -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 21738.64 22651666.98 0.00 0.00 2 0.40 23.98 21738.64 22651666.98 Ghash ------------------------------------------------------------ Data1 21% 29% 26% 27% 30% Port InPPS InBPS OutPPS OutBPS -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 20850.42 21725742.72 0.40 23.98 2 0.40 23.98 20850.02 21725718.74 ``` I'm still of the opinion that, since the Retry packet is almost purely a DoS mitigation mechanism, our view should be what's the absolute simplest design we can take and still get what's absolutely necessary, not nice to have; instead of what else can we squeeze into this feature and hopefully not make it "too expensive". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Here's a quote from our hardware partner:

Here's some preliminary numbers. Due to code and library complexities, my team could not do the AES testing, but we could generate some results with the ghash.

The main thing is, encryption vs no encryption.
Using no encryption as base (1x), with ghash calculated, the CPU usage is roughly ~2.5x higher.

And if we expect AES to be 1.7x to 2.8x slower than ghash, we're looking at 4.25x to 7x slower for no encryption vs AES encryption.

And a bit more details in follow up:

Again, these are preliminary numbers, and since we use ghash as benchmark base, the factor with different cpu generation & AES support is a little bit reduced here...

And, of course, the code is not tuned to the optimal, as we just took from the libraries mentioned by the link. (And I don't know how much of room left to tune the ghash & aes)

Attached is a little bit more details:

No ghash
------------------------------------------------------------
CPU Usage
Data1   14%   12%   11%   14%   12%

Port   InPPS   InBPS   OutPPS   OutBPS   
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
1   21738.64   22651666.98   0.00   0.00  
2   0.40   23.98   21738.64   22651666.98  

Ghash
------------------------------------------------------------
Data1   21%   29%   26%   27%   30%

Port   InPPS   InBPS   OutPPS   OutBPS  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
1   20850.42   21725742.72   0.40   23.98   
2   0.40   23.98   20850.02   21725718.74

I'm still of the opinion that, since the Retry packet is almost purely a DoS mitigation mechanism, our view should be what's the absolute simplest design we can take and still get what's absolutely necessary, not nice to have; instead of what else can we squeeze into this feature and hopefully not make it "too expensive".

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It's not very clear how the AreAllPacketsLost() function in the recovery draft should be implemnted, so having more guidance would be helpful.

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Should use times instead of packet numbers (also fix formatting).

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -735,7 +737,7 @@ illustrate persistent congestion:
 
 The first three packets are determined to be lost when the acknowlegement of
 packet 4 is received at t=8.  The congestion period is calculated as the time
-between the oldest and newest lost packets: (3 - 0) = 3.  The duration for
+between the oldest and newest lost packets: (7 - 0) = 7.  The duration for

I believe it was correct before. The time is the time between oldest and newest lost packets. The oldest lost packet was at t=3.

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Also, I believe the example is incorrect, and should be (7 - 0) = 7. 3 is correct for the packet number, not for the time.

`If an ack-eliciting packet is sent at time = 0, the following
scenario would illustrate persistent congestion:

                 +-----+------------------------+
                 | t=0 | Send Pkt #1 (App Data) |
                 +-----+------------------------+
                 | t=1 | Send Pkt #2 (PTO 1)    |
                 |     |                        |
                 | t=3 | Send Pkt #3 (PTO 2)    |
                 |     |                        |
                 | t=7 | Send Pkt #4 (PTO 3)    |
                 |     |                        |
                 | t=8 | Recv ACK of Pkt #4     |
                 +-----+------------------------+

The first three packets are determined to be lost when the ACK of
packet 4 is received at t=8. The congestion period is calculated as
the time between the oldest and newest lost packets: (3 - 0) = 3.
The duration for persistent congestion is equal to: (1 *
kPersistentCongestionThreshold) = 3. `

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -735,7 +737,7 @@ illustrate persistent congestion:
 
 The first three packets are determined to be lost when the acknowlegement of
 packet 4 is received at t=8.  The congestion period is calculated as the time
-between the oldest and newest lost packets: (3 - 0) = 3.  The duration for
+between the oldest and newest lost packets: (7 - 0) = 7.  The duration for

Sorry, ignore me. I misread the sample packets.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -735,7 +737,7 @@ illustrate persistent congestion:
 
 The first three packets are determined to be lost when the acknowlegement of
 packet 4 is received at t=8.  The congestion period is calculated as the time
-between the oldest and newest lost packets: (3 - 0) = 3.  The duration for
+between the oldest and newest lost packets: (7 - 0) = 7.  The duration for

Good point, my mistake on reading the example. It's correct as is.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -735,7 +737,7 @@ illustrate persistent congestion:
 
 The first three packets are determined to be lost when the acknowlegement of
 packet 4 is received at t=8.  The congestion period is calculated as the time
-between the oldest and newest lost packets: (3 - 0) = 3.  The duration for
+between the oldest and newest lost packets: (7 - 0) = 7.  The duration for

Ok, the rich diff in the browser confused me once more. I go back to my original statement. I think the original text is correct.

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Sorry, disregard my second comment, the example is correct.

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Fixes #3288.

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  • Define AreAllPacketsLost()

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Made #3290 to update the pseudo-code.

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Closing, @nibanks is right.

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  • 1774a15 Fix formatting of some pseudo-code

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>       pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) +
        max_ack_delay
      congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
      // Determine if all packets in the time period before the
      // newest lost packet, including the edges, are marked
      // lost
-     return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost_packet,
-                              congestion_period)
+     return congestion_period >
+       largest_lost_packet.time_sent - earliest_lost_packet.time_sent

I think it's possible a packet is acked between earliest and largest, so I believe you may need to pass in lost_packets and check that they're contiguous. Then you can do an early return if no packets are lost or if they're not contiguous.

ie:
all_packets_lost = acket_packets.length() ==
(acked_packets.last().packet_number - acked_packets.first().packet_number - 1)

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  • 5592e98 Also check that lost packets are contiguous

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>       pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) +
        max_ack_delay
      congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
      // Determine if all packets in the time period before the
      // newest lost packet, including the edges, are marked
      // lost
-     return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost_packet,
-                              congestion_period)
+     return congestion_period >
+       largest_lost_packet.time_sent - earliest_lost_packet.time_sent

Done I think, though did s/acked_packets/lost_packets/ (also got a bit creative with the indentation).

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>       pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) +
        max_ack_delay
      congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
      // Determine if all packets in the time period before the
      // newest lost packet, including the edges, are marked
      // lost
-     return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost_packet,
-                              congestion_period)
+     return congestion_period >
+       largest_lost_packet.time_sent - earliest_lost_packet.time_sent

Sorry, I meant lost_packets.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>       pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) +
        max_ack_delay
      congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
      // Determine if all packets in the time period before the
      // newest lost packet, including the edges, are marked
      // lost
-     return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost_packet,
-                              congestion_period)
+     return congestion_period >
+       largest_lost_packet.time_sent - earliest_lost_packet.time_sent

Also, is the - 1 really needed here?

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Almost there I think.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>       pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) +
        max_ack_delay
      congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
      // Determine if all packets in the time period before the
      // newest lost packet, including the edges, are marked
      // lost
-     return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost_packet,
-                              congestion_period)
+     return congestion_period >
+       largest_lost_packet.time_sent - earliest_lost_packet.time_sent

+1 is.

Think through the example where 0, 1 and 2 are lost. lost_packets has length 3. But 2 - 0 = 2, so you need to add 1.

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@ghedo commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1407,15 +1409,23 @@ Invoked when an ACK frame with an ECN section is received from the peer.
 Invoked from DetectLostPackets when packets are deemed lost.
 
 ~~~
-   InPersistentCongestion(largest_lost_packet):
+   InPersistentCongestion(lost_packets):

I think this is already checked before calling OnPacketsLost()?

  if (!lost_packets.empty()):
    OnPacketsLost(lost_packets)

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>       pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) +
        max_ack_delay
      congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
      // Determine if all packets in the time period before the
      // newest lost packet, including the edges, are marked
      // lost
-     return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost_packet,
-                              congestion_period)
+     return congestion_period >
+       largest_lost_packet.time_sent - earliest_lost_packet.time_sent

But also, now that I think about it, lost_packets only contains lost in-flight packets right? So checking lost_packets.length() against the packet number difference might fail because of other lost but not in-flight packets adding gaps, is this a problem?

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  • 0dacc7a Also check that lost packets are contiguous

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>       // Determine if all packets in the time period before the
      // newest lost packet, including the edges, are marked
      // lost
-     return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost_packet,
-                              congestion_period)
+     all_packets_lost =
+       lost_packets.length() == (lost_packets.last().packet_number -
+                                 lost_packets.first().packet_number - 1)

Fixed.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1407,15 +1409,23 @@ Invoked when an ACK frame with an ECN section is received from the peer.
 Invoked from DetectLostPackets when packets are deemed lost.
 
 ~~~
-   InPersistentCongestion(largest_lost_packet):
+   InPersistentCongestion(lost_packets):

Agreed, thanks.

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@nibanks commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +     all_packets_lost =
+       lost_packets.length() == (lost_packets.last().packet_number -
+                                 lost_packets.first().packet_number + 1)

This assumes you don't send with gaps. I personally don't think we need complete psuedocode here. I think text should be enough. I feel like this logic could be very dependent on the implementation.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>       pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) +
        max_ack_delay
      congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
      // Determine if all packets in the time period before the
      // newest lost packet, including the edges, are marked
      // lost
-     return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost_packet,
-                              congestion_period)
+     return congestion_period >
+       largest_lost_packet.time_sent - earliest_lost_packet.time_sent

Good point, that is a problem. I think that was why we resorted to a helper method to begin with.

For a packet between smallest and largest to be acknowledged AND smallest not previously declared lost, I believe it must occur in the ACK frame that caused smallest and largest to be lost. Otherwise the time threshold would have kicked in long before persistent congestion.

Therefore, if the largest lost packet is smaller than the earliest newly acknowledged packet, we can guarantee the lost packets are contiguous. However, then we do not trigger persistent congestion if a packet sent at the very beginning of the congestion period is acknowledged in a long delayed ACK, and at the same time a much later packet is ACKed. I'm not sure we care about capturing that case, but it's worth considering.

If we were ok with more complex code, we could loop over all newly acked packets and ensure none were between the smallest and largest lost packets.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>       // Determine if all packets in the time period before the
      // newest lost packet, including the edges, are marked
      // lost
-     return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost_packet,
-                              congestion_period)
+     all_packets_lost =
+       lost_packets.length() == (lost_packets.last().packet_number -

Better to have >=, not ==?

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I'm in agreement with @nibanks. My interest here is to detect corruption of Retry packets, and a ghash (equivalent) is adequate. Everything else is a nice to have... and I don't care much for these.

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This should be marked v2, not proposal-ready.

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----==_mimepart_5deab5ae12015_d693fa00a6cd95c42937-- From nobody Fri Dec 6 12:43:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4B6120091 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 12:43:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0n2vReCFAtmx for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 12:43:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C60D112006B for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2019 12:43:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 12:43:51 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575665031; bh=Q4/+rgrv7OtZRI0+5R36Rcj0Fncrdt4lj94rrczeLaQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TwLzGEE94hRiX6l0D5LP/98B7mndG2BvHhVeoTnxi1s+ITphUr2jB7oqtYuZVak37 xb5wZ9NyRuUnkj5iXAvJzKVP7ZoI8CbxY/Jrg14VXLsNv2vtuwLvW9wuw9eC01GlXb LUYZRS9NQl630wxVvanSivgZWjRInXj84gerfhKc= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Encrypting Retry token (#3274) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5deabd87db686_6913fbe8fecd960103266"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2019 20:43:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5deabd87db686_6913fbe8fecd960103266 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I agree with Nick's reasoning. We started this issue by looking only at corruption during transmission. If we focus on that, a simple checksum would be sufficient. We can now start spin-bitting the checksum: crc64, fnv1a, 0-keyed aesgcm, md5... In fact, for curiosity, what is the spec of ghash? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3274#issuecomment-562730566 ----==_mimepart_5deabd87db686_6913fbe8fecd960103266 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think I agree with Nick's reasoning. We started this issue by looking only at corruption during transmission. If we focus on that, a simple checksum would be sufficient. We can now start spin-bitting the checksum: crc64, fnv1a, 0-keyed aesgcm, md5... In fact, for curiosity, what is the spec of ghash?

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@huitema I don't think we need to bikeshed the checksum. We already agreed in Cupertino that we'd use GMAC (which some people seem to call GHASH apparently?) which is equal to AES-128-GCM with an empty plaintext.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1253,10 +1253,11 @@ papers, and common practice.  Some may need to be changed or negotiated
 in order to better suit a variety of environments.
 
 kInitialWindow:
-: Default limit on the initial amount of data in flight, in bytes.  Taken from
-  {{?RFC6928}}, but increased slightly to account for the smaller 8 byte
-  overhead of UDP vs 20 bytes for TCP.  The RECOMMENDED value is the minimum
-  of 10 * max_datagram_size and max(2 * max_datagram_size, 14720)).
+: Default limit on the initial amount of data in flight, in bytes.
+  This follows the analysis and recommendations in {{?RFC6928}}, increasing the
+  byte limit to account for the smaller 8 byte overhead of UDP compared to the
+  20 byte overhead for TCP.  The RECOMMENDED value is the minimum of
+  10 * max_datagram_size and max(2 * max_datagram_size, 14720)).

Swap these two sentences -- recommendation first, rationale afterwards.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1719,9 +1719,11 @@ encrypted form in the token.
 A token issued with NEW_TOKEN MUST NOT include information that would allow
 values to be linked by an on-path observer to the connection on which it was
 issued, unless the values are encrypted.  For example, it cannot include the
-previous connection ID or addressing information.  Information that allows the
-server to distinguish between tokens from Retry and NEW_TOKEN MAY be accessible
-to entities other than the server.
+previous connection ID or addressing information.  Each NEW_TOKEN frame MUST
+include a globally unique value, unless the frame is sent to repair loss of a

"globally unique" is too vague. How about "unique to the connection"?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3471,6 +3471,9 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client
 believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that
 it chooses.
 
+UDP datagrams MUST NOT be fragmented at the IP layer.  In IPv4

That is not a requirement we can enforce, and it does not seem to be within QUIC's purview to require it. How about the following: "QUIC implementations are expected to ensure that UDP Datagrams containing QUIC packets are not fragmented by the IP layer at the sender. In IPv4 {{...}}, the DF bit MUST be set to prevent fragmentation on the path."

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>       pto = smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity) +
        max_ack_delay
      congestion_period = pto * kPersistentCongestionThreshold
      // Determine if all packets in the time period before the
      // newest lost packet, including the edges, are marked
      // lost
-     return AreAllPacketsLost(largest_lost_packet,
-                              congestion_period)
+     return congestion_period >
+       largest_lost_packet.time_sent - earliest_lost_packet.time_sent

Isn't it congestion_period <= largest_lost_packet.time_sent - earliest_lost_packet.time_sent because congestion_period is the threshold that defines duration of persistent congestion?

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Per the current design for streams, the application MUST be the one to shutdown a stream, because the error code space for streams is purely application layer; and the QUIC transport has no knowledge of these error code, so it can't just pick one.

When writing a general purpose QUIC library, and integrating it into other general purpose libraries (i.e. dotnet) I constantly have to explain to non-QUIC folks that they can't just close their stream object/handle without first supplying an application layer specific error code; meaning any intermediate library needs input from the app even if some fatal error (memory allocation failure) happened along the way.

So, I've come to the point that it might be a good idea to allow for the transport layer to completely terminate a stream for it's own reason. Whether that means we add a flag to RESET_STREAM and STOP_SENDING to indicate the transport is specifying the error code, or we add a new frame entirely doesn't matter to me. It would just be a lot cleaner for general purpose libraries to be able to kill a stream when necessary, on its own (no app layer involvement).

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I too think anything more than a checksum is unnecessary here. For a corner case scenario where there is NATting, we should not make the common case expensive. Given this is a DoS protection scenario when the system is deemed to be under attack, the mechanism we pick must be the least CPU intensive. My vote is to just keep simple checksum. Anything more is unnecessary because no need has been demonstrated for it.

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----==_mimepart_5deba9be6abd9_8fb3fa8408cd96c1260a4-- From nobody Sat Dec 7 09:50:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6771C12080E for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2019 09:50:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 786fC2d-dHQz for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2019 09:50:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3009120809 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2019 09:50:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2019 09:50:55 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575741055; bh=qCr3WKOcCRPQ/ysXee7Isj/4VnQ9szKk4BIItxReyqs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=k53svv85F6A1YTrQi6MjgKVAf1FpROmI7pls87+XkNyPkUneKEAX3Ko+VwNKJURxY qsEELUmP0efNEJP/cA0Uu7I+EGP33etl8FU14f/zoTfjVnvHr0+tBrCot4LUQ593VG 3+W9xzec+jRkDTFW8mrwxzb6xy2RA3ybQBiiwKm4= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the Transport to Stop/Reset a Stream? (#3291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5debe67fb7184_32a53f9cc24cd968706165"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2019 17:50:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5debe67fb7184_32a53f9cc24cd968706165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think I understand how allowing the transport to reset the stream solves your problem? It sounds like the problem you're describing is an API complexity issue about plumbing the error code all the way down, not that the transport will, of its own volition, decide that a stream needs to be reset. Have you found situations where the transport code knows enough to reset a stream? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3291#issuecomment-562872013 ----==_mimepart_5debe67fb7184_32a53f9cc24cd968706165 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't think I understand how allowing the transport to reset the stream solves your problem? It sounds like the problem you're describing is an API complexity issue about plumbing the error code all the way down, not that the transport will, of its own volition, decide that a stream needs to be reset. Have you found situations where the transport code knows enough to reset a stream?

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----==_mimepart_5debe67fb7184_32a53f9cc24cd968706165-- From nobody Sat Dec 7 10:55:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5E11200F9 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2019 10:55:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F7G1oWboF-4b for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2019 10:55:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34C7F120828 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2019 10:55:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2019 10:55:46 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575744946; bh=OYhfAcK8Lw93z9fPSdgzNwmAXsQ4suJfgiblv04BquI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QB7KbidI4OTC60V8OOe3s2BpUzztQIQxb5ccAG4hM8k0YmRNWbCAK9opmFf6NqFAz NN5th6znPoja0jUISidlc3Tn1V6n3GJJhbHZ+a7yTDJPFoozqS6Wt3NhSw9dLwxtkA K04bLxJRzciLmvobKnQizBpDzmvvTAARKL78Eefs= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the Transport to Stop/Reset a Stream? (#3291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5debf5b21e0a4_f6c3fe572ecd9604458fa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2019 18:55:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5debf5b21e0a4_f6c3fe572ecd9604458fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Imagine a C++/C# Stream class/object in an intermediate library between the app and the native C transport library. The transport indicates a C object to the intermediate library, then the intermediate library creates it's own object/wrapper, but something fails along the way that's not fatal to the entire connection. The app layer is not yet in the picture, but the intermediate library cannot continue with the stream. I see these possible options: 1. Upcall to the app (or allow the app to pre-configure) to get an appropriate error code to terminate the stream with. 2. Terminate the entire connection even though it's a stream specific problem (but this has the same problem, because the error code would have to be app specific, so we'd have to expose an API to allow the intermediate layer to issue a transport connection close). 3. Change the protocol to allow a non-app specific error code to be used to terminate the stream. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3291#issuecomment-562877033 ----==_mimepart_5debf5b21e0a4_f6c3fe572ecd9604458fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Imagine a C++/C# Stream class/object in an intermediate library between the app and the native C transport library. The transport indicates a C object to the intermediate library, then the intermediate library creates it's own object/wrapper, but something fails along the way that's not fatal to the entire connection. The app layer is not yet in the picture, but the intermediate library cannot continue with the stream. I see these possible options:

  1. Upcall to the app (or allow the app to pre-configure) to get an appropriate error code to terminate the stream with.
  2. Terminate the entire connection even though it's a stream specific problem (but this has the same problem, because the error code would have to be app specific, so we'd have to expose an API to allow the intermediate layer to issue a transport connection close).
  3. Change the protocol to allow a non-app specific error code to be used to terminate the stream.

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Taking the opposite view, adding this capability would add complexity to HTTP/3 because not only do we have to document actual stream errors and their effect on the connection, but with this we'd have to describe what happens when the transport aborts streams. I don't see it adding anything useful for HTTP/3.

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----==_mimepart_5debfe832ebe4_79763ff6c90cd9605678c5-- From nobody Sat Dec 7 13:47:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902FB12006E for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2019 13:47:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ve0DtK7GGH6I for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2019 13:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FFD912004A for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2019 13:47:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525678C0099 for ; Sat, 7 Dec 2019 13:47:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575755224; bh=rSURS9qdNEYhMhrYrodYfqzaw3TJWoQqldcKzCIXCIQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BAMDidna5Yfw+DS86nwYJt8vg81o+SaPPQ2Db+wfF3dcYjj7VUAlSh9hypd05GM9i 3DuZjcTDJhTJXpHoo7NEMHyIZQJigQlmkn5sqOGfu2msXFMJ64ibu+g85zIFfBFGX2 NZUzIzIxdtal1NTqvBsCcVpO2gom5bnoIUB0qQiQ= Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2019 13:47:04 -0800 From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the Transport to Stop/Reset a Stream? (#3291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dec1dd842e00_6fc23fb363acd96455603f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2019 21:47:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dec1dd842e00_6fc23fb363acd96455603f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't see how it would add any real extra complexity. HTTP/3 must already have some sort of "Internal Error" at the app layer. You could very easily map a transport failure to precisely that. QUIC has to work standalone. It can't only work well when written along side HTTP, in the same code base; and I'd really prefer the solution not to be "just kill the whole connection" if this ever happens. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3291#issuecomment-562889500 ----==_mimepart_5dec1dd842e00_6fc23fb363acd96455603f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't see how it would add any real extra complexity. HTTP/3 must already have some sort of "Internal Error" at the app layer. You could very easily map a transport failure to precisely that. QUIC has to work standalone. It can't only work well when written along side HTTP, in the same code base; and I'd really prefer the solution not to be "just kill the whole connection" if this ever happens.

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QUIC can't work standalone, every connection requires an ALPN and it's the application mapping that drives stream creation and handles stream errors.

If there was a QUIC-level stream error, we'd need to describe how it applies to H3. Closing control and QPACK streams is an error.

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----==_mimepart_5dec6e24e66c4_25843fe690ecd9646625dd-- From nobody Sun Dec 8 07:03:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615831200E9 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 07:03:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.527 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.527 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.073, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q2lysuc8u3q8 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 07:03:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2D8A120096 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 07:03:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 07:03:54 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575817434; bh=OCE3bdHmh0g8Y22/Iv4BaqYco1IcS/NTDhO/GDu+NWg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BGyEkiE3zzkhZXXBr33fAMISzfv7/hXTV01UEO+bvJZCsD4Gm2nhyglDYdgQWvT// HeFg2Gef6sH0H+2a8TvjAyrOacuDb6ehOy9M+59OAM6U4FKqkKbtCeZLXU1thKQMz5 bRs80maNc2mUOtjy9UtQ7YI/Z5AtZNYAOuvL93j4= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Contributors for -transport and -tls (#3283) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ded10da29fa3_2da33fa09d0cd96013328f3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 15:03:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ded10da29fa3_2da33fa09d0cd96013328f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett approved this pull request. These look reasonable to me. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3283#pullrequestreview-328613954 ----==_mimepart_5ded10da29fa3_2da33fa09d0cd96013328f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett approved this pull request.

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If you are concerned about - for example - catching an application exception and having something to use to signal stream closure in that case, let the application decide and configure a default application error code. The HTTP/3 internal error (H3_INTERNAL_ERROR) seems like a fine choice for that default. Configure it along with ALPN if you need a catch-all.

This seems entirely solvable at the interface to the transport.

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[ci skip] From nobody Sun Dec 8 14:55:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776091200F8 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 14:54:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M4KMZkpRDXYa for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 14:54:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAC0D12006E for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 14:54:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.92]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD828C01E4 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 14:54:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575845695; bh=r48z8Dhjuk5/gaIQutPjl9avaSOu5RNnaLoQ7cyIJww=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gbB5QhU1r3mUqYdnCgQMgsHhEIQHKWtMegD6Jsod4k5CAxg5CBxBoSUUwlQ7fWRbE LDyMm/8BD9aaEBYNxNLK36eLkv5m/hCczmN39EBinN2TbFlsU7Ho+KbrMl8gCiGLgH T99rB1s/wxTZqV64cYs0KOl3xSBixom4jQKeFg54= Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 14:54:55 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] HTTP/3 references QUIC Stream IDs directly, allowing illegal references (#3273) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ded7f3fce040_58403fd8e0ccd960786f3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 22:54:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ded7f3fce040_58403fd8e0ccd960786f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is an assumption that only stream IDs that fit in a 62-bit number work, sure. The monotonic increase isn't a strong assumption, only that there is some advantage to dividing the space into two with GOAWAY is useful. You can do that split with totally random allocation of stream IDs and get some advantage; it's only if the stream IDs are monotonically *decreasing* that we get zero utility from GOAWAY. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3273#issuecomment-563005610 ----==_mimepart_5ded7f3fce040_58403fd8e0ccd960786f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There is an assumption that only stream IDs that fit in a 62-bit number work, sure. The monotonic increase isn't a strong assumption, only that there is some advantage to dividing the space into two with GOAWAY is useful. You can do that split with totally random allocation of stream IDs and get some advantage; it's only if the stream IDs are monotonically decreasing that we get zero utility from GOAWAY.

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While I can see the concern (at least theoretically), I am not sure if we can come up with a good design for HTTP/3.

The concept of having a stream-level reset as a transport-level feature (which should be application-agnostic) is based on the premise that each stream operates independently. For example, the transport resetting an arbitrary stream is fine in case of HQ (i.e. HTTP/0.9 over QUIC).

However, for application protocols like HTTP/3, that does not work, because the application protocol is designed to use multiple streams for doing an exchange. For example, exchange of an HTTP request typically involves three streams (i.e. the request stream, QPACK encoder stream, QPACK decoder stream). The transport cannot reset one stream, and the communication on the rest of the stream to succeed.

Considering this, I think it's reasonable to limit the signaling scheme of transport-level error signals to connection level (i.e. CONNECTION_CLOSE; frame=0x1c), at least in QUIC v1.

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Sun, 8 Dec 2019 17:18:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 17:18:22 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575854302; bh=YoACxydq04ZtEHtp/r6E6ZW0PWXoNLogEKrEvMRooVM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=fXuSb6CWNr0Wc8V3VFiitTsaPuj+OpsFZ7ypGVFpXmbwWOrQoSh0zrvGclyBwFWAd ycJV8w3s28xQSNmJDcru+J4R/rooUGeE56CoGkZ+dtgouMKm+ZfqLtDEvlr9Q8nD/y 2fizXf1uOK05eYc4uTm4higMd3jNGVDQzNJ2uChE= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 35c7a5: Initial secrets change after Retry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 01:18:29 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/provisional=0D Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts=0D Commit: 35c7a5982639ba2e965e0c62faa608b68797cac8=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/35c7a5982639ba2e965e0c= 62faa608b68797cac8=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2019-07-03 (Wed, 03 Jul 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Initial secrets change after Retry=0D =0D This was implied, but not explicit previously.=0D =0D Closes #2823.=0D =0D =0D Commit: b71c607b6e43bf5ae79b5859b1aabc6c936ad0bd=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b71c607b6e43bf5ae79b58= 59b1aabc6c936ad0bd=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2019-07-04 (Thu, 04 Jul 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D First Initial is misleading=0D =0D =0D Commit: 78520c873f5ea45399d683e32f8437c87c79736a=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/78520c873f5ea45399d683= e32f8437c87c79736a=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2019-08-08 (Thu, 08 Aug 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Un- plural=0D =0D Co-Authored-By: Mike Bishop =0D =0D =0D Commit: 13667e5b83f99ff150742e52718a5841478080b7=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/13667e5b83f99ff150742e= 52718a5841478080b7=0D Author: Marten Seemann =0D Date: 2019-09-16 (Mon, 16 Sep 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D require peers to check if RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID sequence number is valid= =0D =0D =0D Commit: 62278ed1a7d4fcac38f88f669339282128ddeb30=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/62278ed1a7d4fcac38f88f= 669339282128ddeb30=0D Author: Marten Seemann =0D Date: 2019-09-17 (Tue, 17 Sep 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D use the FRAME_ENCONDING_ERROR for errors in frame encoding=0D =0D =0D Commit: c56dd27788254e1cc6574a3e50a77f16b1fccabd=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c56dd27788254e1cc6574a= 3e50a77f16b1fccabd=0D Author: Marten Seemann =0D Date: 2019-09-17 (Tue, 17 Sep 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D also allow FLOW_CONTROL_ERRORs for stream overflows=0D =0D =0D Commit: 7af6d612244fb2056eea105620eba01d7ed9dc73=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7af6d612244fb2056eea10= 5620eba01d7ed9dc73=0D Author: David Schinazi =0D Date: 2019-09-17 (Tue, 17 Sep 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Allow ClientHello to span multiple QUIC packets=0D =0D =0D Commit: 85db1f71811872bc01e4ac3692e545620258b82e=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/85db1f71811872bc01e4ac= 3692e545620258b82e=0D Author: Martin Thomson =0D Date: 2019-09-19 (Thu, 19 Sep 2019)=0D =0D Changed paths:=0D M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md=0D =0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Rewrite key update section=0D =0D This makes some significant editorial changes to the key update section,=0D= hopefully making the various activities clearer and more explicit.=0D =0D In the process, I am also trying to address #2792, which is the timing=0D= sidechannel created by having the generation of updated keys inline with=0D= packet processing. 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=0D Log Message:=0D -----------=0D Perform stateless reset token comparisons in constant time=0D =0D Otherwise information about the token might leak.=0D =0D As @mikkelfj says, there is no strict need to compare across the entire=0D= set of values. That could leaks two things: that the inbound packet was=0D= dropped and the total number of stateless reset tokens. 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The effect of #3159 has been to shame some implementations into the right behaviour, but on reviewing this section, it really was unambiguous. This tweaks the text slightly and adds a cautionary note, but it is otherwise unchanged other than a few editorial tweaks. Closes #3159. Commit: e2ee0d4652ea2f3a405da6ba14d08416bc4f6b3d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e2ee0d4652ea2f3a405da6ba14d08416bc4f6b3d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-11-19 (Tue, 19 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Simplify Commit: 459ef0f8b646af38e381acab8f2dfb1769391df0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/459ef0f8b646af38e381acab8f2dfb1769391df0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-11-19 (Tue, 19 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Keep context Commit: 90baacda8f5ce02aa7d0e1354abc7e48ae74b86e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/90baacda8f5ce02aa7d0e1354abc7e48ae74b86e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-12-09 (Mon, 09 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3224 from quicwg/really-really-dont-1rtt-early No reading of 1-RTT before the handshake is complete Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/a167bc0a4266...90baacda8f5c From nobody Sun Dec 8 17:19:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A767B12007C for ; 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[ci skip] From nobody Sun Dec 8 17:21:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34CC51200CD for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 17:21:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z_ANGIs3Qoxz for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 17:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 584F012007C for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 17:21:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1047C6098E for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 17:21:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575854466; bh=o04q6ckPePsbs3tcZdNd0mhzpLRQVdVaPtn8BORod3w=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=TFQS/Y+BDiEpzynPQFwXPW+nLLM+Y/srm2y2QhTEwXWBkbwfotZQQLCqTGSwVp639 RESssocioBBa9i1Quf+UrwE6EknYXxcti1Pk5RY4f5o309qdTLgj5xIV7cpdmWcL3Y 8chXY0vP4l0BviC46tPc0G8eS+Eap+SGY0z4/5lo= Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 17:21:06 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 54ed6d: Allow provisional registrations for all registries Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 01:21:09 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 54ed6dc0572c3b88f05c8eaa8ef5b520eb00dc21 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/54ed6dc0572c3b88f05c8eaa8ef5b520eb00dc21 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-30 (Wed, 30 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Allow provisional registrations for all registries This overhauls the system for IANA registries to use a unified scheme that allows provisional registration. This seems pretty complicated in terms of nailing down all the corner cases, but it is fairly simple in practice: * Provisional registration is easy, it only requires that the requester provide contact information and (ideally) the codepoint they want. They could provide more, but at their discretion. * Permanent registration requires that you fill out the fields. Experts are required for both, but only really to prevent spam. We have a few more requirements for permanent registrations of frame types, but that is more for the purposes of advice, because sending an new frame leads to protocol errors if you haven't agreed to that in the past. I've sketched out a strawman for a codepoint reclamation process. That advises that experts try to find some use of the codepoint. There is a date on registrations that can guide the selection of codepoints to reclaim, but these can be updated any time by anyone who wants to keep the registration "live". Closes #3109. Closes #3020. Commit: fea8629b7991150a51b86eff18bd302ed633630a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fea8629b7991150a51b86eff18bd302ed633630a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-10-31 (Thu, 31 Oct 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- enstricted Commit: 09a420387fa4e2ca5562bc58a31806c1c6deff3f https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/09a420387fa4e2ca5562bc58a31806c1c6deff3f Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-11-06 (Wed, 06 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Editorial fixes from @MikeBishop Co-Authored-By: Mike Bishop Commit: 1deac80822eb33acb4eb038210994dcc174a07e8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1deac80822eb33acb4eb038210994dcc174a07e8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-11-06 (Wed, 06 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add default contact details Commit: 44a1cd3861501082dc24d09725212c642fae8997 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/44a1cd3861501082dc24d09725212c642fae8997 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-11-06 (Wed, 06 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md Log Message: ----------- Add HTTP/3 registration updates Commit: e4b5c8103a85a79e62da4b027b199b84240bfb24 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e4b5c8103a85a79e62da4b027b199b84240bfb24 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-11-20 (Wed, 20 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Allow ranges Commit: 90bc428d40356107d21e165a94e7fe2b0e3f2e64 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/90bc428d40356107d21e165a94e7fe2b0e3f2e64 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-12-09 (Mon, 09 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M .circleci/config.yml M CONTRIBUTING.md M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md M initial-protection.js Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into provisional Commit: f93eca717921eca125548e760d5ab8f3f1a5ccb5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f93eca717921eca125548e760d5ab8f3f1a5ccb5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-12-09 (Mon, 09 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3170 from quicwg/provisional Allow provisional registrations for all registries Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/19dd7d0df4c8...f93eca717921 From nobody Sun Dec 8 17:21:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F5812007C for ; 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[ci skip] From nobody Sun Dec 8 17:33:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0DA1200CC for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 17:33:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id InvnGPPJgXx7 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 17:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D597D12007C for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 17:33:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 319ECA0099 for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 17:33:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575855204; bh=2ZHVrxTBriecTVd3Y61a+XB8AV6odhirck/DUv7e8tA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LgIPvUZ320QQbQ7qgebicOt9+9T1fzO7Gu+doP5ULjPe2RK2Ap/otHDr/XlykFqj7 x226135qa/05GOhpSZ2AUo9v9tk2SG0Rz4b/gABmcErTJzaQGwflfgYttfAnFqwHtV spY1sSaYU8LVJJXRXRjJ4ag8h27nygMvEd7bTyDc= Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 17:33:24 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Contradictory language regarding multiplexing connections with zero-length IDs (#3254) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5deda46423084_f953fc1f52cd96c3817f8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 01:33:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5deda46423084_f953fc1f52cd96c3817f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think that these are completely inconsistent, though there is an unstated section in those quotes from Section 5.2: that the implementation has followed the advice and provided a unique local address where it uses a zero-length connection ID. This needs a little care, but we could just remove "local" and this would be OK, but it's probably best to be a little less crude. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3254#issuecomment-563026033 ----==_mimepart_5deda46423084_f953fc1f52cd96c3817f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't think that these are completely inconsistent, though there is an unstated section in those quotes from Section 5.2: that the implementation has followed the advice and provided a unique local address where it uses a zero-length connection ID.

This needs a little care, but we could just remove "local" and this would be OK, but it's probably best to be a little less crude.

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----==_mimepart_5deda46423084_f953fc1f52cd96c3817f8-- From nobody Sun Dec 8 18:36:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC1D12007C for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 18:36:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.14, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZdSv-R66JWvh for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 18:36:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B86C912004A for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 18:36:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 18:36:42 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575859002; bh=s/UJTTSHgO7p51La6EaqjJePLE8Djz33I5uE+VJOmyE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rUvka3D2wpJpyFMH1vhWHC1/wRZ1/Ek7UoXdlSJ3S2fxl34gsfq+S1fsPUB4rEYUN 9ywKg4dufbqOg7EVGxp9/SA/tehuvmqVK5bEyWL1vZs8qNf3YijqJGI9kY1twdcwAs 56VA1qhHerlR3Z7CJVSql5r3A3IyBGvqpil9E6KE= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the Transport to Stop/Reset a Stream? (#3291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dedb33adfa2d_47463ff7290cd96437609c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 02:36:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dedb33adfa2d_47463ff7290cd96437609c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with @martinthomson that passing in the "default" stream error code along with the ALPN is a fine way to structure this API and nicely avoid the need for the transport to terminate streams. (Which @kazuho rightly observes the transport really has no understanding of) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3291#issuecomment-563037323 ----==_mimepart_5dedb33adfa2d_47463ff7290cd96437609c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree with @martinthomson that passing in the "default" stream error code along with the ALPN is a fine way to structure this API and nicely avoid the need for the transport to terminate streams. (Which @kazuho rightly observes the transport really has no understanding of)

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----==_mimepart_5dedb33adfa2d_47463ff7290cd96437609c-- From nobody Sun Dec 8 19:52:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E651200CC for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 19:52:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TdTamr-qhbAc for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 19:51:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 903F612004A for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 19:51:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 19:51:57 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575863517; bh=5RsWBTYpPD+FNoDPeD8sqjU5B4kv1TeTSk9/qBMD1wA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BRCLk1h/q7keS0YaaM3p2hI/fAPzzaIRvtvyBdMnJTzvyaYhwbfoL8YijzQZ3s6IG rYr2aJXgXMdT1GovLNEUkKa3lZVLnAVDZVntUliCn9wliREEyGrt40cR8LHTrAktCB VKhZO06lZcgnX3EKa2z5878KCr7oUbCj3IaEzRk0= From: Benjamin Saunders Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Contradictory language regarding multiplexing connections with zero-length IDs (#3254) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dedc4ddb511b_3fb53fcc186cd9687626dc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: Ralith X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 03:52:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dedc4ddb511b_3fb53fcc186cd9687626dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think literally "the packet matches the address and port of a connection" would be much too vague, particularly due to the singular forms used. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3254#issuecomment-563051628 ----==_mimepart_5dedc4ddb511b_3fb53fcc186cd9687626dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think literally "the packet matches the address and port of a connection" would be much too vague, particularly due to the singular forms used.

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----==_mimepart_5dedc4ddb511b_3fb53fcc186cd9687626dc-- From nobody Sun Dec 8 20:07:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5765A1200CC for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 20:07:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o8agCJV94zAs for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 20:07:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF94A12004A for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 20:07:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 20:07:38 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575864458; bh=WeA60Wl75P+1H7lSuAHMh88fVH6Te5O9CW8vpXYQfe8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=nVKQ9TTO4Hi+oxbg0drp/SroBSzzHe3Xh0KVc84K9K3kwKCT3+nr06EEyEn/oTtqm modOQUkNTfiRuj5oxcbJrSOwrZxGOlTe5Lx3CUG/IVHql5D89rSViIf+hOc5wpGuAK q2Xi0CiQJMZi4gTEDY/gKn9m9fJFYo5TTJA5SvuY= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 6f9f8d: Curtail CONNECTION_CLOSE for small Initial Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 04:07:40 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/close-small-initial Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 6f9f8d7ffca4eed3373bb9f64261f85fd5f76b1a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6f9f8d7ffca4eed3373bb9f64261f85fd5f76b1a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-12-09 (Mon, 09 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Curtail CONNECTION_CLOSE for small Initial This is trickier than I had imagined. Sending CONNECTION_CLOSE is probably fine, but it's harder to do this correctly now. You can't just send an unauthenticated CONNECTION_CLOSE because that might disrupt a real connection. So there are two goals in tension: 1. Don't kill an active connection (attempt) unnecessarily. 2. Provide feedback about errors. The observation is that an attacker can disrupt connections by eliciting a CONNECTION_CLOSE, so feedback naturally leads to an exposure to a DoS attack. That's unfortunate, but we have established that we don't care about DoS by an on-path attacker prior to handshake completion. Anything we do here has got to be best effort. DoS prevention would say that you just discard junk, and that is probably the right answer. But we have a number of cases where the robustness of the system depends on getting feedback. Either way, we agreed to allow CONNECTION_CLOSE in Initial, so the exposure exists anyway. So this contains advice. Maybe too much advice, but I thought that I'd see what people thought. Closes #3269. From nobody Sun Dec 8 20:07:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 355AF1200CC for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 20:07:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g7YpHVgpEzMq for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 20:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B88FD12004A for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 20:07:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 20:07:45 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575864465; bh=ACF0+WrNXaOCIwae5tp424G7gbupG3fiPmzFkxP00HQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KTq76QZXGvvLzGwXsXJ27P2q3SAzeCPDmCq2PbYzw85qy3jcRsfrWs3xYeQ39Z0oH 7OpsLnHxRLuwCQ2VL1dURIKiacdJPySNWyuehtY/VzfxnmIQkl4wLgM/s3wYVCL5ZF MNdOc1j2lwqj4yif4iYvUnrBGeGbsC/6KMn1gvzo= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the Transport to Stop/Reset a Stream? (#3291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dedc89114e35_42f43fd2466cd95c470333"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 04:07:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dedc89114e35_42f43fd2466cd95c470333 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The problem at hand is the transport layer unable to fulfill transport layer responsibilities (in this case, it is managing a stream properly). The most coherent response seems to be giving up on the connection via transport's version of CONNECTION_CLOSE (frame=0x1c), assuming that the transport layer is still able to generate at least this. I think this is what @kazuho is proposing. I see @nibanks proposing a more nuanced response of just giving up on a specific stream, assuming this is what it would take the transport layer to "recover". It seems like a more complicated choice, because now every application would need to be ready for the transport to give up on any stream at any time -- something that many applications may find very hard to recover from. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3291#issuecomment-563053949 ----==_mimepart_5dedc89114e35_42f43fd2466cd95c470333 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The problem at hand is the transport layer unable to fulfill transport layer responsibilities (in this case, it is managing a stream properly). The most coherent response seems to be giving up on the connection via transport's version of CONNECTION_CLOSE (frame=0x1c), assuming that the transport layer is still able to generate at least this. I think this is what @kazuho is proposing.

I see @nibanks proposing a more nuanced response of just giving up on a specific stream, assuming this is what it would take the transport layer to "recover". It seems like a more complicated choice, because now every application would need to be ready for the transport to give up on any stream at any time -- something that many applications may find very hard to recover from.

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----==_mimepart_5dedc89114e35_42f43fd2466cd95c470333-- From nobody Sun Dec 8 20:08:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB851200CC for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 20:08:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lBq5yBZM3qEN for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 20:08:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D70B412004A for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 20:08:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 20:08:34 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575864515; bh=09yRUKo/j4/Jjhvzth6/EtZ8nUGS5CZ9fD2JeG9nAMs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=h5s8q+bMPDvjg4dnI5CQOfnoWTg88O4eA4+qKwye3OenLoTM5f+SfbW0fFG42l+Pz npfJ+SJaESeLbCsufvHsXE4HPsUWHVzVefO93CZVVCuLnuX+6yLdT5ZvXCpB5vpw7w SYSTFBXvDaOBYyV6JxJ8trIfmUlIWkjSXbgnIQnk= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Curtail CONNECTION_CLOSE for small Initial (#3292) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dedc8c2f1b54_77173f8dfcacd9643799d6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 04:08:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dedc8c2f1b54_77173f8dfcacd9643799d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is trickier than I had imagined. Sending CONNECTION_CLOSE is probably fine, but it's harder to do this correctly now. You can't just send an unauthenticated CONNECTION_CLOSE because that might disrupt a real connection. So there are two goals in tension: 1. Don't kill an active connection (attempt) unnecessarily. 2. Provide feedback about errors. The observation is that an attacker can disrupt connections by eliciting a CONNECTION_CLOSE, so feedback naturally leads to an exposure to a DoS attack. That's unfortunate, but we have established that we don't care about DoS by an on-path attacker prior to handshake completion. Anything we do here has got to be best effort. DoS prevention would say that you just discard junk, and that is probably the right answer. But we have a number of cases where the robustness of the system depends on getting feedback. Either way, we agreed to allow CONNECTION_CLOSE in Initial, so the exposure exists anyway. So this contains advice. Maybe too much advice, but I thought that I'd see what people thought. Closes #3269. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3292 -- Commit Summary -- * Curtail CONNECTION_CLOSE for small Initial -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (23) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3292.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3292.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3292 ----==_mimepart_5dedc8c2f1b54_77173f8dfcacd9643799d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is trickier than I had imagined. Sending CONNECTION_CLOSE is
probably fine, but it's harder to do this correctly now. You can't just
send an unauthenticated CONNECTION_CLOSE because that might disrupt a
real connection. So there are two goals in tension:

  1. Don't kill an active connection (attempt) unnecessarily.

  2. Provide feedback about errors.

The observation is that an attacker can disrupt connections by eliciting
a CONNECTION_CLOSE, so feedback naturally leads to an exposure to a DoS
attack. That's unfortunate, but we have established that we don't care
about DoS by an on-path attacker prior to handshake completion.
Anything we do here has got to be best effort.

DoS prevention would say that you just discard junk, and that is
probably the right answer. But we have a number of cases where the
robustness of the system depends on getting feedback.

Either way, we agreed to allow CONNECTION_CLOSE in Initial, so the
exposure exists anyway. So this contains advice. Maybe too much
advice, but I thought that I'd see what people thought.

Closes #3269.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3292

Commit Summary

  • Curtail CONNECTION_CLOSE for small Initial

File Changes

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(#3291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dedcb75877a_75073fefccecd9604236b3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 04:20:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dedcb75877a_75073fefccecd9604236b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That nuance is already possible: if the application wants to hand the transport this power, it can. It can provide a default code for the entire connection; or more complex expressions of policy can be made (e.g., even streams get code X, stream Y gets code Z, otherwise don't touch). That is a negotiation that can be managed at the interface between application and transport code. Without that information, the transport is always able to access the final solution. As for the suggestion that an application can ask the transport to use one of its own error codes with CONNECTION_CLOSE (0x1c/transport), that's another negotiation for the API they share. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3291#issuecomment-563056142 ----==_mimepart_5dedcb75877a_75073fefccecd9604236b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

That nuance is already possible: if the application wants to hand the transport this power, it can. It can provide a default code for the entire connection; or more complex expressions of policy can be made (e.g., even streams get code X, stream Y gets code Z, otherwise don't touch). That is a negotiation that can be managed at the interface between application and transport code. Without that information, the transport is always able to access the final solution.

As for the suggestion that an application can ask the transport to use one of its own error codes with CONNECTION_CLOSE (0x1c/transport), that's another negotiation for the API they share.

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----==_mimepart_5dee61a873580_3fb23f94edacd96c1949f-- From nobody Mon Dec 9 07:05:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 451B4120089 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 07:05:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e9P-25Qb8Aye for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 07:05:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5E30120043 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 07:05:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 07:05:13 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575903913; bh=fniaUeLVd2U+1bK8DrFBTvUOkc2EsJRZP3oPwI7vKhU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Mz3SyCZQ42SL5xWCo4XKnW+e3C1pmzvmBjSq8eIZSshLeGXsM99ruWtJJ7Czq5a1j K+5V22FjKhfi9s06LgdIH1WV+SAxJ6X2PkAfH3Bw1QhJFDJvJPvTiBOf6sRS1U7jDo PnJ6ZWGpcmeiCmK3fMXaBfLXdX7/hJ/NsFgGlTqM= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the Transport to Stop/Reset a Stream? (#3291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dee62a925cbe_bc33f9cc18cd96019276e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 15:05:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dee62a925cbe_bc33f9cc18cd96019276e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, it seems the WG has no appetite to change the protocol for this scenario. Implementations are stuck with one of the following options then: 1. Close the entire connection with a transport error code. 2. Require app input for the default error code, and close the stream with that error code. (1) is much simpler, IMO, so that will likely what I'm forced to go ahead with. Thanks for the feedback. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3291#issuecomment-563280097 ----==_mimepart_5dee62a925cbe_bc33f9cc18cd96019276e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

So, it seems the WG has no appetite to change the protocol for this scenario. Implementations are stuck with one of the following options then:

  1. Close the entire connection with a transport error code.
  2. Require app input for the default error code, and close the stream with that error code.

(1) is much simpler, IMO, so that will likely what I'm forced to go ahead with. Thanks for the feedback.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client
 believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that
 it chooses.
 
-A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in
-response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is
-smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or
-otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid.
+A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial
+packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes.  Other
+packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded.  A server MAY send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to
+discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server
+has established state; see {{immediate-close}}.

I am confused by the last sentence. Is it saying that when a server receives a small Initial packet for a connection for which it already has state, the server MAY send a PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, but it must retain the state for that connection? Assuming that is the case, I wonder if there is a value in having such a requirement. I am not sure if there is a case such a behavior helps us mitigate attacks.

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@nibanks commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client
 believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that
 it chooses.
 
-A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in
-response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is
-smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or
-otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid.
+A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial
+packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes.  Other
+packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded.  A server MAY send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to
+discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server
+has established state; see {{immediate-close}}.

My understanding was essentially that it's OK for the server to send PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in response to an Initial for which there isn't connection state already (i.e. the first Initial packet for a connection); because that means it couldn't affect a pre-existing connection.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client
 believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that
 it chooses.
 
-A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in
-response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is
-smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or
-otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid.
+A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial
+packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes.  Other
+packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded.  A server MAY send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to
+discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server
+has established state; see {{immediate-close}}.

Yeah if we interpret the last sentence that way, I think it would contradict with the "MUST discard" in the first sentence?

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Given that the app (or some proxy for the app) will be passing in the ALPN string to the transport it seems like it would be pretty easy to pass in a tuple of (default_stream_error, ALPN string). But you're right. Either one should work.

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----==_mimepart_5dee7283ed71a_7e593fc5b3acd95c488f4-- From nobody Mon Dec 9 08:56:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A31B1200CE for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 08:56:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8PByyrb16wxg for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 08:56:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A14431200B6 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 08:56:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 08:56:29 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575910589; bh=hjEBFgEHvYRPY2hqbidWnrM2vwfFvFysG5ykV7t+ky4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hYN4ijVQHR5mRD5CIQz2wLG3DFN0WPXxVt5rf2eeKHpUCuWbPvm5DPbzEC7sYrIkQ YooyU2iUvDBYcjZ9tnI6Egwx76ZGAJVwZwQtJ4PGJgv6JBALbOkR5tUj733YFJfJAJ aS9SihNmOVSim8J61AJ1MuYJxOqUD7fvoHKBHKvI= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Curtail CONNECTION_CLOSE for small Initial (#3292) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dee7cbda59cb_1af43fcb47ecd964243776"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 16:56:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dee7cbda59cb_1af43fcb47ecd964243776 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. LG, some comments > @@ -2486,7 +2486,16 @@ A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys whether the client has Handshake keys. Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client. These -packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}). +packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}. Re-reading this paragraph I realize it needs an update for the new timing of discarding Handshake on the server side, because it means a client may want to send a CONNECTION_CLOSE in both Handshake and 1-RTT. > @@ -2486,7 +2486,16 @@ A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys whether the client has Handshake keys. Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client. These -packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}). +packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}. + +A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame that is sent in an Initial packet in response to +unauthenticated information - the content of Initial or Handshake packets +primarily - might result in denial of service for a legitimate connection. QUIC +does not include defensive measures for on-path attacks during the handshake +(see {{handshake-dos}}). However, at the cost of reducing feedback about errors +for legitimate peers, some forms of denial of service can be made more difficult +for an attacker if endpoints discard illegal packets rather than terminating a Is it worth re-stating that the client address can't change during the handshake, so Initial and Handshake packets from a different address can be immediately discarded? > @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that it chooses. -A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in -response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is -smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or -otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid. +A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial +packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes. Other +packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded. A server MAY send a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to I didn't realize we had text in here that allowed this. I think we're better off with always dropping <1200 byte packets, personally, and keeping the MUST you added above. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3292#pullrequestreview-329066507 ----==_mimepart_5dee7cbda59cb_1af43fcb47ecd964243776 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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LG, some comments

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2486,7 +2486,16 @@ A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys
 whether the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server
 SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets
 to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client.  These
-packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}).
+packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}.

Re-reading this paragraph I realize it needs an update for the new timing of discarding Handshake on the server side, because it means a client may want to send a CONNECTION_CLOSE in both Handshake and 1-RTT.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2486,7 +2486,16 @@ A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys
 whether the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server
 SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets
 to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client.  These
-packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}).
+packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}.
+
+A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame that is sent in an Initial packet in response to
+unauthenticated information - the content of Initial or Handshake packets
+primarily - might result in denial of service for a legitimate connection.  QUIC
+does not include defensive measures for on-path attacks during the handshake
+(see {{handshake-dos}}). However, at the cost of reducing feedback about errors
+for legitimate peers, some forms of denial of service can be made more difficult
+for an attacker if endpoints discard illegal packets rather than terminating a

Is it worth re-stating that the client address can't change during the handshake, so Initial and Handshake packets from a different address can be immediately discarded?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client
 believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that
 it chooses.
 
-A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in
-response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is
-smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or
-otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid.
+A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial
+packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes.  Other
+packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded.  A server MAY send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to

I didn't realize we had text in here that allowed this. I think we're better off with always dropping <1200 byte packets, personally, and keeping the MUST you added above.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +     all_packets_lost =
+       lost_packets.length() == (lost_packets.last().packet_number -
+                                 lost_packets.first().packet_number + 1)

I'm tending to agree with @nibanks, I'm not sure there's anything we can add here which will meaningfully clarify the pseudocode without making it quite implementation dependent.

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Agreed, let's stick with a checksum(GMAC/GHASH) as agreed in Cupertino

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----==_mimepart_5dee9234aa449_65633f7ed9ecd960271fc-- From nobody Mon Dec 9 12:06:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CD71200A4 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:06:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L8WNlaUSqKSq for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:06:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2E45120019 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:06:33 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:06:33 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575921993; bh=i60BY294Yxyg2hq34ETaQKNr0rHvBFkEPT6N6pPqSjs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lgk71Dr7+GB6dBDfxt034sWaCDVEO8AWLrMIcEIqfMP84u5Kc8FQlSTpS+0HXx/cW Hlc2SZ5okYMKwNryaLRJZZc03v9pGA7talEH2qCkOaAdWvV8wjcgLS44o+ZZwMOM5R PVo2IpnS0qBqkmIcBzRVawVf1hicK64FHdnpp3sY= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Encrypting Retry token (#3274) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5deea949b715_5a2f3fd5c44cd964110438"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 20:06:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5deea949b715_5a2f3fd5c44cd964110438 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If it's not clear, GHASH is the underlying hash algorithm for GCM and addition to the AES encryption track, but it somehow needs a key and a way to specify content and somewhere to place the result. GCM provides the framework for that hence GMAC is additional authenticated data without encrypted plaintext. Since there is no encryption in GMAC, GMAC is essentially GHASH, but with a clear way to specify the input/output parameters. There is probably an extra AES block encryption in GMAC to derive the GHASH key, and possibly an extra AES block encryption on the output, compared to raw GHASH, but I do not remember exactly. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3274#issuecomment-563412734 ----==_mimepart_5deea949b715_5a2f3fd5c44cd964110438 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If it's not clear, GHASH is the underlying hash algorithm for GCM and addition to the AES encryption track, but it somehow needs a key and a way to specify content and somewhere to place the result. GCM provides the framework for that hence GMAC is additional authenticated data without encrypted plaintext. Since there is no encryption in GMAC, GMAC is essentially GHASH, but with a clear way to specify the input/output parameters. There is probably an extra AES block encryption in GMAC to derive the GHASH key, and possibly an extra AES block encryption on the output, compared to raw GHASH, but I do not remember exactly.

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----==_mimepart_5deea949b715_5a2f3fd5c44cd964110438-- From nobody Mon Dec 9 12:30:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E571201E0 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:30:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F6h-iYg-2P13 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0013F12018B for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B93F660D05 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 12:30:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575923421; bh=/36uFnrW4fA/WPiihA+KguRuW+w4TZpBui0di2y+jWI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=abU4iMkZc7djFERAmQ6mloQ5OWj8Nq4NXieRSKEabvGydR8IYAAWE5O1TuhCAXMi4 JEDRjTdJqJHUlKW3UjO07dog85fS4C3NGeEiHxaQrsDkoj7uQCSAo4G3qAnRQIfu6q qm6t5iQvV3AcoJ1l14HHTxKeO3IwaLqask5xTqTc= Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:30:21 -0800 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Encrypting Retry token (#3274) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5deeaedd4c204_18f93fc4d6ecd968521c3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 20:30:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5deeaedd4c204_18f93fc4d6ecd968521c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Using raw GHASH over GMAC would avoid the need for an AES module in hardware and only require carryless multiplication (CLMUL) for efficient operation, but I can't imagine where that case would be very relevant. Even on low-end microcontrollers it is more likely you have SHA-256 and AES hardware than CLMUL, at least for now. From that perspective Poly1305 would be more efficient, but given the nature of Retry and the dependence on AES-GCM elsewhere in the protocol, GMAC or GHASH makes more sense. GMAC is much simpler than GHASH because it can use existing libraries. If GHASH were to be used directly one would have to ensure that it is safe in the applied context and with the supplied key whereas GCM is well understood even if it costs a few block encryptions extra. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3274#issuecomment-563423756 ----==_mimepart_5deeaedd4c204_18f93fc4d6ecd968521c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Using raw GHASH over GMAC would avoid the need for an AES module in hardware and only require carryless multiplication (CLMUL) for efficient operation, but I can't imagine where that case would be very relevant. Even on low-end microcontrollers it is more likely you have SHA-256 and AES hardware than CLMUL, at least for now. From that perspective Poly1305 would be more efficient, but given the nature of Retry and the dependence on AES-GCM elsewhere in the protocol, GMAC or GHASH makes more sense. GMAC is much simpler than GHASH because it can use existing libraries. If GHASH were to be used directly one would have to ensure that it is safe in the applied context and with the supplied key whereas GCM is well understood even if it costs a few block encryptions extra.

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----==_mimepart_5deeaedd4c204_18f93fc4d6ecd968521c3-- From nobody Mon Dec 9 13:32:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD9A1200D7 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:32:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dJl_0dipVCJu for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:32:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7FB7E1200B3 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:32:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.25.52]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD440521E41 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:32:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575927162; bh=dbcWF9fsldrWTxBp3sO7NQudoSz5v8SmNCxHYb44W6c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WRXyMDObEk1rRoBOIgAAuJ9RrWfsP+sz75DoFZpquAMmyhLyAeAiKbVzb5WflLOMv jQJfdc5ZnvqVQ95l5CR4lzboNVndh+qrwhaaU9rykNH9ImyjNJ/TqWbVWEs40i0MTQ XqVWgmVABANZ4CIrlRpyHLzi1Rl6zd3AJKfRf1ks= Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 13:32:42 -0800 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the Transport to Stop/Reset a Stream? (#3291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5deebd7abd3d0_16053fe1604cd96c107331"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 21:32:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5deebd7abd3d0_16053fe1604cd96c107331 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also tend to think doing nothing is the right thing here. If I was to do something, I'd reserve one value for INTERNAL_ERROR across all apps for consistency. But I tend to think a connection close error is going to cause fewer edge cases and be easier to debug. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3291#issuecomment-563449388 ----==_mimepart_5deebd7abd3d0_16053fe1604cd96c107331 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I also tend to think doing nothing is the right thing here. If I was to do something, I'd reserve one value for INTERNAL_ERROR across all apps for consistency.

But I tend to think a connection close error is going to cause fewer edge cases and be easier to debug.

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As the PR proposes, GMAC is what we are using. A simple implementation can then just use GCM. Someone looking to save one AES operation can run GHASH with an XOR.

This saves on the number of primitives, and for someone willing to build silicon, it can be implemented fairly efficiently.

There is some odd middle space with software implementations on low end hardware that might be a little worse off, but they win because they need fewer primitives. A low end device probably needs external help with DoS, so maybe we can say that this is a net win.

To be clear, Nick's situation isn't ideal either. Implementing GMAC in hardware is certainly not free, falling back to software is not fast, and this style of standalone DoS protection is otherwise relatively simple. But there are a number of competing concerns that need to be balanced.

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----==_mimepart_5deebe96a552_57d63f90e78cd964314d-- From nobody Mon Dec 9 13:41:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4FE1200F4 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:41:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iBvlejBTiYs0 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3ABBD120086 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:41:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F71AA11B2 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 13:41:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575927687; bh=lVFdokF75a2kazt9DI66f+zOQHNvQbh9NqClukIXNdc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JnXe3uODsBsvkUB/M4qHoO+tO82X54amiM0n9ZuL8YLA+aUw8pBe0iglZC/FsIgCi lj79vQXT1YQ+Y2eaf1n5lfz+cWctDA7fdbtrSCjp/S5AGV50+Xt4XD97bXL15GF0gJ wrBBOtQEZM2MiCLQDV9FYvNiPOvI+aIFpSNp2RA0= Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 13:41:27 -0800 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the Transport to Stop/Reset a Stream? (#3291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5deebf876b350_201b3fd1062cd9601002b0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 21:41:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5deebf876b350_201b3fd1062cd9601002b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @nibanks: You will additionally need an API for QUIC to communicate to the app that a stream was closed anyways, so it's not going to be as simple as it might seem. And: > something fails along the way that's not fatal to the entire connection In my experience, if an internal error caused QUIC to terminate a stream, that's likely going to precipitate towards more such errors and a connection close is probably going to happen anyway. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3291#issuecomment-563452862 ----==_mimepart_5deebf876b350_201b3fd1062cd9601002b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@nibanks: You will additionally need an API for QUIC to communicate to the app that a stream was closed anyways, so it's not going to be as simple as it might seem. And:

something fails along the way that's not fatal to the entire connection

In my experience, if an internal error caused QUIC to terminate a stream, that's likely going to precipitate towards more such errors and a connection close is probably going to happen anyway.

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I don't think you can avoid the AES for GMAC, at least not if both endpoints are to verify the MAC. This is because GCM first receives a "master" key which it then splits into two keys, one for encryption and one for GHASH. This key split is done with an AES operation. So unless both endpoints agree on the GHASH key directly, you need to use AES to derive the GHASH key.

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I'm not sure if it is safe to use a fixed key for GMAC because the collision restance of GCM is the same as for GHASH, which limits traffic to roughly 2^32 bytes and places requirements on non-reuse.

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Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client. These -packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}). +packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}. + +A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame that is sent in an Initial packet in response to +unauthenticated information - the content of Initial or Handshake packets +primarily - might result in denial of service for a legitimate connection. QUIC Editorial comment: break this sentence. Suggestion: "A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame might be sent in an Initial packet or in response to unauthenticated information received in Initial or Handshake packets. Such a response might result in a denial of service for a legitimate connection." > @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that it chooses. -A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in -response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is -smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or -otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid. +A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial +packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes. Other +packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded. A server MAY send a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to +discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server +has established state; see {{immediate-close}}. I'm confused here too. What does it mean to not affect the connection if the server just sent out a CONNECTION_CLOSE for it? > @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that it chooses. -A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in -response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is -smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or -otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid. +A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial +packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes. Other +packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded. A server MAY send a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to +discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server +has established state; see {{immediate-close}}. I am in agreement with @ianswett : perhaps it's best to recommend dropping the connection and not send anything in response. This is a simple enough error for a client to avoid. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2486,7 +2486,16 @@ A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys
 whether the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server
 SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets
 to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client.  These
-packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}).
+packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}.
+
+A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame that is sent in an Initial packet in response to
+unauthenticated information - the content of Initial or Handshake packets
+primarily - might result in denial of service for a legitimate connection.  QUIC

Editorial comment: break this sentence. Suggestion: "A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame might be sent in an Initial packet or in response to unauthenticated information received in Initial or Handshake packets. Such a response might result in a denial of service for a legitimate connection."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client
 believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that
 it chooses.
 
-A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in
-response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is
-smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or
-otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid.
+A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial
+packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes.  Other
+packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded.  A server MAY send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to
+discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server
+has established state; see {{immediate-close}}.

I'm confused here too. What does it mean to not affect the connection if the server just sent out a CONNECTION_CLOSE for it?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client
 believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that
 it chooses.
 
-A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in
-response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is
-smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or
-otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid.
+A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial
+packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes.  Other
+packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded.  A server MAY send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to
+discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server
+has established state; see {{immediate-close}}.

I am in agreement with @ianswett : perhaps it's best to recommend dropping the connection and not send anything in response. This is a simple enough error for a client to avoid.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client
 believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that
 it chooses.
 
-A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in
-response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is
-smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or
-otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid.
+A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial
+packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes.  Other
+packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded.  A server MAY send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to
+discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server
+has established state; see {{immediate-close}}.

The problem I'm trying to finesse around here is one where the server gets a partial ClientHello in an Initial. That is processed and held. The next packet is a small Initial. The server should discard that without generating a CONNECTION_CLOSE or it will disrupt the in-progress connection establishment.

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As mentioned in #3292.

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Commit Summary

  • CONNECTION_CLOSE in Handshake too

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2486,7 +2486,16 @@ A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys
 whether the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server
 SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets
 to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client.  These
-packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}).
+packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}.

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Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client. These -packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}). +packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}. + +A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame that is sent in an Initial packet in response to +unauthenticated information - the content of Initial or Handshake packets +primarily - might result in denial of service for a legitimate connection. QUIC +does not include defensive measures for on-path attacks during the handshake +(see {{handshake-dos}}). However, at the cost of reducing feedback about errors +for legitimate peers, some forms of denial of service can be made more difficult +for an attacker if endpoints discard illegal packets rather than terminating a Good idea, but I'll add that elsewhere. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3292#discussion_r355748430 ----==_mimepart_5deeddff1531a_74693f9d0d4cd968673d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2486,7 +2486,16 @@ A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys
 whether the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server
 SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets
 to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client.  These
-packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}).
+packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}.
+
+A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame that is sent in an Initial packet in response to
+unauthenticated information - the content of Initial or Handshake packets
+primarily - might result in denial of service for a legitimate connection.  QUIC
+does not include defensive measures for on-path attacks during the handshake
+(see {{handshake-dos}}). However, at the cost of reducing feedback about errors
+for legitimate peers, some forms of denial of service can be made more difficult
+for an attacker if endpoints discard illegal packets rather than terminating a

Good idea, but I'll add that elsewhere.

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After all, we are publishing the key in an RFC. The point is to reduce this to a checksum. The arguments about "encryption" all amount to a desire to make accessing the Retry more difficult for a casual observer. Someone with a copy of the RFC will obviously have no trouble. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3274#issuecomment-563495059 ----==_mimepart_5deedf5cb7764_a053f9ac84cd9642967f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes, this is not "secure" in the sense that it would meet IND-CCA. After all, we are publishing the key in an RFC. The point is to reduce this to a checksum.

The arguments about "encryption" all amount to a desire to make accessing the Retry more difficult for a casual observer. Someone with a copy of the RFC will obviously have no trouble.

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----==_mimepart_5deedf5cb7764_a053f9ac84cd9642967f-- From nobody Mon Dec 9 16:15:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0911C12021C for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 16:15:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 815gaswQHvGX for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 16:15:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 573CC1200F6 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 16:15:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-e8b54ca.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-e8b54ca.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854B62C34B7 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 16:15:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575936952; bh=DqIy1M2uFQ2qY20U0ZVzFxtWd2s3lyNUPmpfzhVWGvM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=C+ZVHDmJpgGoYsCcaT2u+7msmOxqvGp3X6DDXqD1aIc/thV/+t54iYDMBgVQ1y8dc dxYE41P6a1kMSJZp5OyD112bSls+PY5lGBpYiQPgT1bU/yg75bSVKnoCwIwdfzCDLI OMS6eC+mOWFsPVjvAsbJI/bFlm+dDr5ReVVJJKIs= Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 16:15:52 -0800 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Curtail CONNECTION_CLOSE for small Initial (#3292) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5deee3b876ff2_49b33f85038cd968155324"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 00:15:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5deee3b876ff2_49b33f85038cd968155324 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that it chooses. -A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in -response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is -smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or -otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid. +A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial +packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes. Other +packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded. A server MAY send a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to +discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server +has established state; see {{immediate-close}}. My understanding is that the server should discard that packet because it's not 1200 bytes and it has no state for the connection? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3292#discussion_r355758006 ----==_mimepart_5deee3b876ff2_49b33f85038cd968155324 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client
 believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that
 it chooses.
 
-A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in
-response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is
-smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or
-otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid.
+A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial
+packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes.  Other
+packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded.  A server MAY send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to
+discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server
+has established state; see {{immediate-close}}.

My understanding is that the server should discard that packet because it's not 1200 bytes and it has no state for the connection?

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2486,7 +2486,16 @@ A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys
 whether the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server
 SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets
 to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client.  These
-packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}).
+packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client
 believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that
 it chooses.
 
-A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in
-response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is
-smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or
-otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid.
+A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial
+packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes.  Other
+packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded.  A server MAY send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to
+discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server
+has established state; see {{immediate-close}}.

@martinthomson Thank you for the clarification.

I think there are three possible behaviors in such a situation:

  • immediate-close the connection with PROTOCOL_VIOLATION
  • discard the small Initial
  • discard the small Initial, send PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, without affecting the connection state

I think that either of the first two makes sense.

However, the third one (which IIUC is what the text suggests) does not. This is because sending PROTOCOL_VIOLATION will instruct the client to discard its connection state, regardless of the sender of the small Initial packet being the client or an attacker. There is no point in the server retaining the connection state after sending PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

Therefore, I think that the advice should be: SHOULD discard, MAY immediate-close.

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My +1 goes to just doing GMAC, due to the reasons others have laid out.

I'd also note that it is unlikely that middleboxes will ossify on the fact that the values of the token fields in Retry and Initial packets are equivalent, based on the behavior those developers see on the wire. This is because Retry is expected to be used only when there is an attack. Or, if those developers read the spec, the token will get ossified regardless of if it's encrypted in the Retry packet.

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----==_mimepart_5deee77e102e9_747d3fc69e0cd95c10628c-- From nobody Mon Dec 9 16:32:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9547912021C for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 16:32:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id evqFT3T-9H9k for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 16:32:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AA75120020 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 16:32:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 16:32:49 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575937969; bh=7D/Q/mMtkDwIGrqyxzyQSoSwrZxM/2S6Md4J5zEsUl4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=W8uKmmISlwAsdFrKVw0PYXfzsg+EvOs1p1lyRyHToMMzQq1VPDQIBtyoVffElkC12 qpOWKzjrwaFRNq7r65nDOltuYix1r16pqvD4r2bBa0CxBRJSAqKtemQw7MJ6PJGpXb bTZotO39eiNNvogT9/FKYduenpRh3f1+gqttfsjQ= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Curtail CONNECTION_CLOSE for small Initial (#3292) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5deee7b1dd072_1daa3f9dcdacd9606238c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 00:32:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5deee7b1dd072_1daa3f9dcdacd9606238c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that it chooses. -A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in -response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is -smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or -otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid. +A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial +packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes. Other +packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded. A server MAY send a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to +discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server +has established state; see {{immediate-close}}. @kazuho, I agree with you about the first two. The rule I'm proposing is MUST discard, but MAY immediate-close in addition IF that won't affect state the server holds. Yes, that might affect state the client holds (but the server does not), but that's a risk the server takes. It's a trade-off about the level of feedback the server wants to provide vs. the risk of DoS that the server has to make. Are we agreeing violently, but talking about how to phrase the recommendation to not immediate-close? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3292#discussion_r355769506 ----==_mimepart_5deee7b1dd072_1daa3f9dcdacd9606238c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client
 believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that
 it chooses.
 
-A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in
-response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is
-smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or
-otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid.
+A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial
+packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes.  Other
+packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded.  A server MAY send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to
+discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server
+has established state; see {{immediate-close}}.

@kazuho, I agree with you about the first two. The rule I'm proposing is MUST discard, but MAY immediate-close in addition IF that won't affect state the server holds. Yes, that might affect state the client holds (but the server does not), but that's a risk the server takes. It's a trade-off about the level of feedback the server wants to provide vs. the risk of DoS that the server has to make.

Are we agreeing violently, but talking about how to phrase the recommendation to not immediate-close?

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@junhochoi : As @ianswett said, you are within the spec to not send anything in response to a PTO. The spec recommends sending something because it keeps the sender's state up to date, and is better when the sender might want to send more data later.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1719,9 +1719,11 @@ encrypted form in the token.
 A token issued with NEW_TOKEN MUST NOT include information that would allow
 values to be linked by an on-path observer to the connection on which it was
 issued, unless the values are encrypted.  For example, it cannot include the
-previous connection ID or addressing information.  Information that allows the
-server to distinguish between tokens from Retry and NEW_TOKEN MAY be accessible
-to entities other than the server.
+previous connection ID or addressing information.  Each NEW_TOKEN frame MUST
+be unique among all connections to that server, unless the frame is sent to

Sorry for being pedantic, but this is a MUST and the requirement doesn't seem clear. First, this reads like a requirement on the client. If so,

  • Does this imply that a client has to maintain and check all NEW_TOKEN frames issued by every server for a long enough period of time?
  • How would a client know whether a received NEW_TOKEN frame is a repair of a lost NEW_TOKEN frame?

If it's not meant to be a requirement on the client, how about "A server MUST ensure that every NEW_TOKEN frame it sends is unique across all clients, with the exception of those sent to repair loss of a previously sent NEW_TOKEN frame."

Also, add a recommendation on what a client should do if it detects a server repeating NEW_TOKEN frames.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1719,9 +1719,11 @@ encrypted form in the token.
 A token issued with NEW_TOKEN MUST NOT include information that would allow
 values to be linked by an on-path observer to the connection on which it was
 issued, unless the values are encrypted.  For example, it cannot include the
-previous connection ID or addressing information.  Information that allows the
-server to distinguish between tokens from Retry and NEW_TOKEN MAY be accessible
-to entities other than the server.
+previous connection ID or addressing information.  Each NEW_TOKEN frame MUST
+be unique among all connections to that server, unless the frame is sent to

(I'm ok with not having a client response to detecting dups ... I don't expect clients to be detecting this.)

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----==_mimepart_5deef083a4dac_51eb3fc347ecd96c1663af-- From nobody Mon Dec 9 17:12:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B88612002F for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 17:12:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2mswrQA6QY1m for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 17:12:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 784BE120020 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 17:12:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 17:12:34 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575940354; bh=ARdk4qp1vd4YRHL/hYZtsTOWgf257uYfGQQKeab2kIE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iaV6HVJtWdleptIKOXi2rCqwvDEgQ9ZvNtDvComr7nGJeAG0c8vzwGFpGHHPqMrFm eDVTbpmih0JhH2WLZQeSIr2CCNrgwSFruOA1LBhdB36JnFzDEc7mpJNASIgXmSEChm 8ztBJFRajCMc6Fr/C63ZjIDtKsXjh5y3lZ5cWzLY= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Curtail CONNECTION_CLOSE for small Initial (#3292) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5deef1027558c_37653fa014ecd96885271"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 01:12:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5deef1027558c_37653fa014ecd96885271 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that it chooses. -A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in -response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is -smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or -otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid. +A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial +packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes. Other +packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded. A server MAY send a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to +discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server +has established state; see {{immediate-close}}. @martinthomson > The rule I'm proposing is MUST discard, but MAY immediate-close in addition IF that won't affect state the server holds. I think we might have confusion in what "immediate-close" means? My understanding is that "immediate-close" is an action that affects state. It is defined as entering the closing state, then draining state. If the intention is to suggest that a server might send PROTOCOL_VIOLATION without affecting the connection state, then it is confusing to use the term "immediate-close." That said, what I stated in [my comment right above](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3292#discussion_r355760171) is that I think a state-*ful* "immediate-close" is fine, but sending PROTOCOL_VIOLATION without affecting connection state does not make sense. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3292#discussion_r355796345 ----==_mimepart_5deef1027558c_37653fa014ecd96885271 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client
 believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that
 it chooses.
 
-A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in
-response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is
-smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or
-otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid.
+A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial
+packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes.  Other
+packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded.  A server MAY send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to
+discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server
+has established state; see {{immediate-close}}.

@martinthomson

The rule I'm proposing is MUST discard, but MAY immediate-close in addition IF that won't affect state the server holds.

I think we might have confusion in what "immediate-close" means? My understanding is that "immediate-close" is an action that affects state. It is defined as entering the closing state, then draining state. If the intention is to suggest that a server might send PROTOCOL_VIOLATION without affecting the connection state, then it is confusing to use the term "immediate-close."

That said, what I stated in my comment right above is that I think a state-ful "immediate-close" is fine, but sending PROTOCOL_VIOLATION without affecting connection state does not make sense.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2481,12 +2481,15 @@ have 1-RTT keys, so the endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a
 Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD send
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
 
-A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys
-(see {{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know
-whether the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server
-SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets
-to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client.  These
-packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}).
+A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys (see
+{{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know whether the
+client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure that at
+least one of them is processable by the client.  Similarly, a peer might be
+unable to read 1-RTT packets, so an endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in
+Handshake packets prior to confirming the handshake; see Section 4.1.2 of

Should this be Handshake and 1-RTT, because the peer might have dropped its Handshake keys?

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I'm going to request that this go for a consensus call. It's borderline, but I think that it is worth running the process here. And it isn't critical that this get fixed right now.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client
 believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that
 it chooses.
 
-A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in
-response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is
-smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or
-otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid.
+A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial
+packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes.  Other
+packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded.  A server MAY send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to
+discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server
+has established state; see {{immediate-close}}.

We've now unfortunately lost this comment in the diffs :-/ But that was my confusion too -- sending CONNECTION_CLOSE changes state. I don't understand what it means to send PROTOCOL_VIOLATION without affecting state.

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----==_mimepart_5deef6fe3abe_f5c3faf53ccd96c133093-- From nobody Mon Dec 9 17:46:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D52C12002F for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 17:46:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jEh6xEdvFlOC for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 17:46:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEB2A12001A for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 17:46:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 17:46:12 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575942372; bh=lHKOZLtUPhGv6W2cjpuA6NsoNRCIfbQkhWv2E2iFSU0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wSLvCrFe0wRmINNDWJnRNXWvcqzT/LvTzq04okIg/oNapY1+hcIGuFsdV2TWtWvb8 vxW3Lq3UATcEPBebqVqTaE1JJzow1641hFbjx6CvlJlEIdIytJO4QasMeUHnEhrKC3 ihirCz0b1DseLNYomr5F8xzhAl8qMPvubia0CYEM= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define AreAllPacketsLost() (#3290) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5deef8e42683_e633fcdd1ccd95c5023d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 01:46:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5deef8e42683_e633fcdd1ccd95c5023d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > + all_packets_lost = + lost_packets.length() == (lost_packets.last().packet_number - + lost_packets.first().packet_number + 1) Yes, this gets too detailed very fast, and I don't think more code is the answer. @ghedo: Is there more we can add to the comment above to help implementers? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3290#discussion_r355806983 ----==_mimepart_5deef8e42683_e633fcdd1ccd95c5023d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +     all_packets_lost =
+       lost_packets.length() == (lost_packets.last().packet_number -
+                                 lost_packets.first().packet_number + 1)

Yes, this gets too detailed very fast, and I don't think more code is the answer. @ghedo: Is there more we can add to the comment above to help implementers?

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Thanks, Ted, I take your point and your suggestion is a good one. I've reworded it as you suggested.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1719,9 +1719,11 @@ encrypted form in the token.
 A token issued with NEW_TOKEN MUST NOT include information that would allow
 values to be linked by an on-path observer to the connection on which it was
 issued, unless the values are encrypted.  For example, it cannot include the
-previous connection ID or addressing information.  Information that allows the
-server to distinguish between tokens from Retry and NEW_TOKEN MAY be accessible
-to entities other than the server.
+previous connection ID or addressing information.  Each NEW_TOKEN frame MUST
+be unique among all connections to that server, unless the frame is sent to

No, there is no obligation to check. Do you think that we need to say as much?

The client should only see duplicates if there is a spurious loss detected by the server.

I like your suggested text and will use that. The duplicate detection is already described on line 5073.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Dec 9 20:08:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26709120133 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 20:08:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lZRuv5C5x-Bv for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 20:08:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-12.smtp.github.com (out-12.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5BAD120120 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2019 20:08:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2019 20:08:29 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575950909; bh=aZxSZqAKpYdn5B3Q1HhBfVAHPJLbyO4YLRBBzGb/WA8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YHUnS3aphDzehkaBZzoqq+uE1PMtCmy/uvytC2/nG7vsh732izUHl3zANCaLlr7Zg U+0DA+VYbJzaJ/ATu+T3LNu7VRxWniHkH3Btrn0XpSMmdEkd/llW81pss6E36SHwK2 d9uV3A6RBm8mv0/bMwZUq1KCnNVs1FpK2BcXlalk= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameter ID and length varint (#3294) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5def1a3d4ba50_37193fc557acd968138168"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 04:08:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5def1a3d4ba50_37193fc557acd968138168 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now that we have turned almost every integer in the spec to varint, and we have removed any mention of the TLS presentation language, it makes sense to make transport parameters varint as well. The current uint16-based encoding sticks out like a sore thumb. That said, this change is more than cosmetic - transport parameters are our main joint for extending QUICv1, and switching to 62-bit will ensure we do not run out of space, ever. If we do not do this now, we will not be able to change it later in QUICv1 as these are used during the handshake. This issue was originally described in #3020 but the feedback in Cupertino was that #3020 was conflating three different topics: 1. the language used to describe transport parameters. That has been changed away from the TLS presentation language via merged PR #3108. 2. the policy for the transport parameter IANA registry. This has been changed by merged PR #3170. 3. the encoding of transport parameter ID and length over the wire. This is discussed in this issue and the associated open PR #3169. >From the discussions I've seen, it looks like there was some opposition and some support. 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Now that we have turned almost every integer in the spec to varint, and we have removed any mention of the TLS presentation language, it makes sense to make transport parameters varint as well. The current uint16-based encoding sticks out like a sore thumb. That said, this change is more than cosmetic - transport parameters are our main joint for extending QUICv1, and switching to 62-bit will ensure we do not run out of space, ever. If we do not do this now, we will not be able to change it later in QUICv1 as these are used during the handshake.

This issue was originally described in #3020 but the feedback in Cupertino was that #3020 was conflating three different topics:

  1. the language used to describe transport parameters. That has been changed away from the TLS presentation language via merged PR #3108.
  2. the policy for the transport parameter IANA registry. This has been changed by merged PR #3170.
  3. the encoding of transport parameter ID and length over the wire. This is discussed in this issue and the associated open PR #3169.

From the discussions I've seen, it looks like there was some opposition and some support. I'm opening this issue now so we can have that conversation here independent of topics (1) and (2) above.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client
 believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that
 it chooses.
 
-A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in
-response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is
-smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or
-otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid.
+A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial
+packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes.  Other
+packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded.  A server MAY send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to
+discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server
+has established state; see {{immediate-close}}.

Let's see if I can keep this thread alive. This is sending a packet with a CONNECTION_CLOSE, not an immediate close (I was under the impression that the shorthand was OK here, but it was clearly a mistake). The goal is to use CONNECTION_CLOSE as a signal only, with the intent of triggering the corresponding logic at the client. But the server is discarding this packet and so it won't have any connection state. This won't result in creation or destruction of server state.

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I've now created issue #3294 so we can move the conversation there.

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But we decided not to answer the broader question of what ALPN actually refers to. That was considered too broad a topic for the QUIC WG to address without involving TLS, HTTP, and others. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3117#issuecomment-563845773 ----==_mimepart_5def2d1f34153_70f43fbfec2cd968216990 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The discussion in Singapore seemed to end with the conclusion that HTTP/3 would be defined to refer to QUIC version 1 exclusively. But we decided not to answer the broader question of what ALPN actually refers to. That was considered too broad a topic for the QUIC WG to address without involving TLS, HTTP, and others.

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It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or -otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid. +A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial +packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes. Other +packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded. A server MAY send a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to +discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server +has established state; see {{immediate-close}}. > The goal is to use CONNECTION_CLOSE as a signal only, with the intent of triggering the corresponding logic at the client. I think it is not a bad idea to have a MAY for that. > But the server is discarding this packet and so it won't have any connection state. This won't result in creation or destruction of server state. I do not think that the sentences reflect what you think. Quoted below are the last two sentences of this paragraph. It is my understanding that the intention of the last sentence is to clarify the rationale behind the previous sentence, but as you can see from the emphasized text, they are discussing about different conditions. > _A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to discarding a packet if that does not affect **a connection for which the server has previously established state**. Sending CONNECTION_CLOSE will not affect server state in the same way as an immediate close ({{immediate-close}}) **as the server has no state**, but it will cause any client to terminate a connection attempt._ I think what we actually want to state is something like: _A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes. Other packets in that datagram SHOULD also be discarded. In addition to discarding the packet, a server MAY respond with a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, without creating state. When a server receives such an Initial packet for which it already has connection state, it MUST either drop that packet or close the connection with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION ({{immediate-close}})._ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3292#discussion_r355866386 ----==_mimepart_5def3f8be72ed_a673fab0a6cd960840bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3476,10 +3485,12 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client
 believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that
 it chooses.
 
-A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in
-response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is
-smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or
-otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid.
+A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial
+packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes.  Other
+packets in the datagram SHOULD also be discarded.  A server MAY send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to
+discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server
+has established state; see {{immediate-close}}.

The goal is to use CONNECTION_CLOSE as a signal only, with the intent of triggering the corresponding logic at the client.

I think it is not a bad idea to have a MAY for that.

But the server is discarding this packet and so it won't have any connection state. This won't result in creation or destruction of server state.

I do not think that the sentences reflect what you think. Quoted below are the last two sentences of this paragraph. It is my understanding that the intention of the last sentence is to clarify the rationale behind the previous sentence, but as you can see from the emphasized text, they are discussing about different conditions.

A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in addition to discarding a packet if that does not affect a connection for which the server has previously established state. Sending CONNECTION_CLOSE will not affect server state in the same way as an immediate close ({{immediate-close}}) as the server has no state, but it will cause any client to terminate a connection attempt.

I think what we actually want to state is something like: A server that has no existing state for a connection MUST discard an Initial packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that is smaller than 1200 bytes. Other packets in that datagram SHOULD also be discarded. In addition to discarding the packet, a server MAY respond with a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, without creating state. When a server receives such an Initial packet for which it already has connection state, it MUST either drop that packet or close the connection with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION ({{immediate-close}}).

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----==_mimepart_5def3f8be72ed_a673fab0a6cd960840bb-- From nobody Tue Dec 10 00:37:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B183212010E for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 00:37:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2qT1m9sZyPDD for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 00:37:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0F7581200FE for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 00:37:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C595A0A3D for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 00:37:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575967026; bh=IV6O5Ot7HJHlHRqfuKEYXXsoLpo/5mskz9cKERf+K8U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ytAW1YhlgR94Wp5hRsLeeDJEimc7zwh/Z61FSOL2VhnVciotz5qnIlz0f4Xx6AKfv i7jfInQSBmSRoEfBUk6EYve18sgqu3P6C8EzLkE0+hXOskQICCy0Lfvo89ddC+qUT6 WhN9rZV4siK92jK/nuAyx+BoultIy7sllgMqwqg4= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 00:37:06 -0800 From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Fix congestion control permissiveness (d97c226) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5def59324c67e_49083fdb950cd9643630a2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 08:37:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5def59324c67e_49083fdb950cd9643630a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is much better, thanks. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d97c226a9a2f6c147b3952b39a982cf55f12412b#commitcomment-36351756 ----==_mimepart_5def59324c67e_49083fdb950cd9643630a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

That is much better, thanks.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1253,10 +1253,11 @@ papers, and common practice.  Some may need to be changed or negotiated
 in order to better suit a variety of environments.
 
 kInitialWindow:
-: Default limit on the initial amount of data in flight, in bytes.  Taken from
-  {{?RFC6928}}, but increased slightly to account for the smaller 8 byte
-  overhead of UDP vs 20 bytes for TCP.  The RECOMMENDED value is the minimum
-  of 10 * max_datagram_size and max(2 * max_datagram_size, 14720)).
+: Default limit on the initial amount of data in flight, in bytes.
+  This follows the analysis and recommendations in {{?RFC6928}}, increasing the
+  byte limit to account for the smaller 8 byte overhead of UDP compared to the
+  20 byte overhead for TCP.  The RECOMMENDED value is the minimum of
+  10 * max_datagram_size and max(2 * max_datagram_size, 14720)).

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Dec 10 06:33:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF001200CE for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 06:33:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VSP6YkRI8ybP for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 06:33:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAD841200C3 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 06:33:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472D0A0D79 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 06:33:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1575988428; bh=5zYutwt5ioICrgz7V82ksTOT7dwx37nHDnOQbDA33Wc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uU1HdtTjjdVhE93iPzNfD/EcFi/3DBW7D1J/x0+ABjnsZHqXqGwZXK9KDhFeNibgY +7TQBHcus30bf8GONgu/nMXh8rLqM2Qfi5iM/8Crp2dvtddydNXUeHIHSRdkIH/lUv Mgb5VetiEzqyhFcAofVFwNfAmfAJCJ9pLAcAwR3c= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 06:33:48 -0800 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] CONNECTION_CLOSE in Handshake too (#3293) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5defaccc38449_54393fb93facd9641217f3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 14:33:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5defaccc38449_54393fb93facd9641217f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -2481,12 +2481,15 @@ have 1-RTT keys, so the endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a Handshake packet. If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. -A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys -(see {{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know -whether the client has Handshake keys. Under these circumstances, a server -SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets -to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client. These -packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}). +A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys (see +{{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know whether the +client has Handshake keys. Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD send a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure that at +least one of them is processable by the client. Similarly, a peer might be This last ambiguity is only really a problem on the client side, because the client doesn't discard Handshake keys until after the server has already discarded them(so it couldn't send a close in Handshake anyway). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3293#pullrequestreview-329878258 ----==_mimepart_5defaccc38449_54393fb93facd9641217f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2481,12 +2481,15 @@ have 1-RTT keys, so the endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a
 Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD send
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
 
-A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys
-(see {{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know
-whether the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server
-SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets
-to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client.  These
-packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}).
+A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys (see
+{{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know whether the
+client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure that at
+least one of them is processable by the client.  Similarly, a peer might be

This last ambiguity is only really a problem on the client side, because the client doesn't discard Handshake keys until after the server has already discarded them(so it couldn't send a close in Handshake anyway).

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Looking great. Minor editorial nitpicks, and one which might turn into a separate issue. > @@ -5874,6 +5874,288 @@ decisions are made independently of client-selected values; a Source Connection ID can be selected to route later packets to the same server. +## Overview of Security Properties {#security-properties} + +A complete security analysis of QUIC is outside the scope of this document. +This section provides an informal description of the desired security properties +as an aid to implementors and to help guide protocol analysis. + +QUIC provides protection against various types of attacks, as described in more ```suggestion QUIC provides protection against various types of attacks, which are described in more ``` As written, this sentence reads as if 3552 describes how QUIC protects against the attacks, rather than describing the attacks themselves. (Note you'll probably need to rewrap after accepting the suggestion; sorry.) > @@ -5874,6 +5874,288 @@ decisions are made independently of client-selected values; a Source Connection ID can be selected to route later packets to the same server. +## Overview of Security Properties {#security-properties} + +A complete security analysis of QUIC is outside the scope of this document. +This section provides an informal description of the desired security properties +as an aid to implementors and to help guide protocol analysis. + +QUIC provides protection against various types of attacks, as described in more +detail by {{?RFC3552}}. + +For this purpose, attacks are divided into passive and active attacks, passive ```suggestion For this purpose, attacks are divided into passive and active attacks. Passive ``` > @@ -5874,6 +5874,288 @@ decisions are made independently of client-selected values; a Source Connection ID can be selected to route later packets to the same server. +## Overview of Security Properties {#security-properties} + +A complete security analysis of QUIC is outside the scope of this document. +This section provides an informal description of the desired security properties +as an aid to implementors and to help guide protocol analysis. + +QUIC provides protection against various types of attacks, as described in more +detail by {{?RFC3552}}. + +For this purpose, attacks are divided into passive and active attacks, passive +attackers having the capability to read packets from the network and active ```suggestion attackers have the capability to read packets from the network, while active ``` > @@ -5874,6 +5874,288 @@ decisions are made independently of client-selected values; a Source Connection ID can be selected to route later packets to the same server. +## Overview of Security Properties {#security-properties} + +A complete security analysis of QUIC is outside the scope of this document. +This section provides an informal description of the desired security properties +as an aid to implementors and to help guide protocol analysis. + +QUIC provides protection against various types of attacks, as described in more +detail by {{?RFC3552}}. + +For this purpose, attacks are divided into passive and active attacks, passive +attackers having the capability to read packets from the network and active +attackers having the capability to write packets into the network. However, a ```suggestion attackers also have the capability to write packets into the network. However, a ``` > +any expensive computations at the cost of a single round trip. After a +successful handshake, servers can issue new tokens to a client which will allow +new connection establishment without incurring this cost. + +#### On-Path Handshake Termination + +An on-path attacker can force the QUIC handshake to fail by replacing either the +client or server Initial messages with invalid ones. An off-path attacker can +also mount this attack by racing the Initials. Once valid Initial messages have +been exchanged, the remaining handshake messages are protected with the +handshake keys and an on-path attacker cannot force handshake failure, though +they can produce a handshake timeout by dropping packets. + +An on-path attacker can also replace the addresses of packets on either side and +therefore cause the client or server to have an incorrect view of the remote +addresses. Is it worth noting that this is indistinguishable from the presence of a NAT? > +{{handshake-properties}}. Similarly, any active attacker that observes QUIC +packets and attempts to insert new data or modify existing data in those packets +should not be able to generate packets deemed valid by the receiving endpoint. + +A spoofing attack, in which an active attacker rewrites unprotected parts of a +QUIC packet that it forwards or injects, such as the source or destination +address, is only effective if the attacker can forward packets to the original +endpoint. Packet protection ensures that the packet payloads can only be +processed by the endpoints that completed the handshake, and invalid QUIC +packets are ignored by those endpoints. + +An attacker can also modify the boundaries between QUIC packets and UDP +datagrams, causing multiple packets to be coalesced into a single datagram, or +splitting coalesced packets into multiple datagrams. Such modification has no +functional effect on a QUIC connection, although it might change the performance +characteristics exhibited by the receiving endpoint. Good observation. I remember having discussions about heuristics that assume packets sent in a single datagram arrived together. This means those heuristics aren't reliable. I don't recall whether we endorsed such approaches in the document (PMTU probing, maybe?), but this suggests that we might want to explicitly caution against them. (Not necessarily here.) > +present between the QUIC client and server, and a QUIC endpoint is required to +send packets through this attacker to establish connectivity on a given path. + +An on-path attacker can: + +- Inspect packets +- Modify IP and UDP packet headers +- Inject new packets +- Delay packets +- Reorder packets +- Drop packets +- Split and merge datagrams along packet boundaries + +An on-path attacker cannot: + +- Modify an authenticated and encrypted portion of a packet and cause the ```suggestion - Modify an authenticated portion of a packet and cause the ``` The rejection of modified packets doesn't depend on the encryption, but the authentication. The encryption itself is mostly irrelevant to this assertion. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Looking great. Minor editorial nitpicks, and one which might turn int= o a separate issue.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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+This section provides an informal description of the desired security pr=
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As written, this sentence reads as if 3552 describes how QUIC protects= against the attacks, rather than describing the attacks themselves. (No= te you'll probably need to rewrap after accepting the suggestion; sorry.)=

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+For this purpose, attacks are divided into passive and active attacks, p=
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As @kazuho pointed out in = #3169, this is effectively moving the goal posts. Quoting = the conclu= sion of this discussion in Cupertino:

Jana: So the proposal is just draw a diagram to not use TLS presentati= on format; and then separately flipping the allocation of the spec requir= ed and experimental space.

Using 3020 to track changing the space allocation. Separate PR for edi= torial change.

Changing TPs to varint is to change the decision we've already rea= ched. Which is fine -- but only as long as we state it this way.

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@ianswett @janaiyengar The behavior was somewhat different from what I expected, but I think now I have a good understanding. I will close this. Thanks for help!

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Thanks for the suggestion Ted. To confirm, by citing the section you're normatively citing only that section, not the entire doc. My concern is that 8085 is fairly long, and a good bit of it doesn't really pertain to QUIC.

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#3287 is an editorial PR that closes this issue with @gorryfair suggestion.

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@martinthomson pushed 4 commits.

  • e8cc906 CONNECTION_CLOSE in Handshake too
  • dd93053 ...and 1-RTT too
  • c23f017 Merge pull request #3293 from quicwg/close-in-handshake
  • e99cd67 Merge branch 'master' into close-small-initial

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -251,8 +251,8 @@ RTT samples and peer-reported host delays (see Section 13.2 of
 {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to generate a statistical description of the connection's
 RTT. An endpoint computes the following three values: the minimum value
 observed over the lifetime of the connection (min_rtt), an
-exponentially-weighted moving average (smoothed_rtt), and the variance in the
-observed RTT samples (rttvar).
+exponentially-weighted moving average (smoothed_rtt), and the mean deviation

I would say "variation (or mean deviation)"

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----==_mimepart_5df02fcbd5128_5e8d3fb0210cd9681054a9-- From nobody Tue Dec 10 15:53:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F8B120220 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:53:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LwtP4mM0M7WG for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:53:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD630120113 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:53:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-275fa97.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1041C6A1331 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:53:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576021988; bh=bslM4MWNu6O1HXLVGzb579UG3Yim/iCcWxTytKk5z/A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Zj94YbSKECNBOUje0kfWMahOgcYeQCXe+ukZ9+It1TuurUFlUeCuPi6F9JcnnUS8G QD0tQERmNiRnivx6pkaPp0wKhqO/GrtwgqOHKC4i6v18U/xPeJLDgv9uah9dfmK5Z3 V0xmKHeJCRrLBO7rXwUnDsmoh56mbmrOavmhmSKQ= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 15:53:07 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] token-based greasing / initial packet protection (#3166) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df02fe3e4bcd_30d63fa2508cd96c790b6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 23:53:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df02fe3e4bcd_30d63fa2508cd96c790b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With the closing of the related issues, this can be closed too. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3166#issuecomment-564312980 ----==_mimepart_5df02fe3e4bcd_30d63fa2508cd96c790b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5df02ffcd7c7a_671c3fe4600cd9681335f9-- From nobody Tue Dec 10 16:02:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3816C120113 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:02:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ze9Wlqh0BiQm for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:02:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A96991200F7 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:02:54 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 16:02:53 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576022574; bh=de849XNTtiG3qgKUZw19QmNIHJCjce/b/PdWYufiDsM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=H5+AIt1f5aggNi6GcxP+nOgPy+OorCyh1pIrVap65cvJmAWd9+q+Hrw5tKjLk2hja enWLplFPquOkTGlsQ6CWU+sOhsqLHgiz5NStm+/Ej0dOYUtk2SP0x6g004WzrOTaxh ncYmdRZrpTrYWPjpx3ChJ7DtsMF6/HnfQwWTEZLY= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change idle_timeout to max_idle_timeout (#3099) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df0322df18b7_671c3fe4600cd968162691"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 00:02:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df0322df18b7_671c3fe4600cd968162691 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > - -The value for an idle timeout can be asymmetric. The value advertised by an -endpoint is only used to determine whether the connection is live at that -endpoint. An endpoint that sends packets near the end of the idle timeout -period of a peer risks having those packets discarded if its peer enters the -draining state before the packets arrive. If a peer could timeout within a -Probe Timeout (PTO; see Section 6.3 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), it is advisable to -test for liveness before sending any data that cannot be retried safely. Note -that it is likely that only applications or application protocols will -know what information can be retried. +Each endpoint advertises a different max_idle_timeout, but the effective value +is determined by taking the minimum of the two advertised values. By announcing +a max_idle_timeout, endpoints commit to initiating an immediate close +({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons a connection prior to the effective value. + +An endpoint restarts any timer it maintains when a packet from its peer is ```suggestion An endpoint restarts its idle timer when a packet from its peer is ``` > -test for liveness before sending any data that cannot be retried safely. Note -that it is likely that only applications or application protocols will -know what information can be retried. +If the idle timeout is enabled by either peer, a connection is silently closed +and its state is discarded when it remains idle for longer than the minimum of +the max_idle_timeouts (see {{transport-parameter-definitions}}) and three times +the current Probe Timeout (PTO). + +Each endpoint advertises a max_idle_timeout, but the effective value +at an endpoint is computed as the minimum of the two advertised values. By +announcing a max_idle_timeout, an endpoint commits to initiating an immediate +close ({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons the connection prior to the effective +value. + +An endpoint restarts any timer it maintains when a packet from its peer is +received and processed successfully. The timer is also restarted when sending ```suggestion received and processed successfully. The idle timer is also restarted when sending ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3099#pullrequestreview-330226161 ----==_mimepart_5df0322df18b7_671c3fe4600cd968162691 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +announcing a max_idle_timeout, an endpoint commits to initiating an immediate
+close ({{immediate-close}}) if it abandons the connection prior to the effective
+value.
+
+An endpoint restarts any timer it maintains when a packet from its peer is
+received and processed successfully.  The timer is also restarted when sending
+an ack-eliciting packet (see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), but only if no other
+ack-eliciting packets have been sent since last receiving a packet.  Restarting
+when sending packets ensures that connections do not prematurely time out when
+initiating new activity.
+
+An endpoint that sends packets near the end of the idle timeout period
+risks having those packets discarded if its peer enters the draining state
+before the packets arrive.  If a peer could time out within a Probe Timeout
+(PTO; see Section 6.2.2 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), it is advisable to test for
+liveness before sending any data that cannot be retried safely.  Note that it

What does it mean to test for liveness? Can you make this more explicit?

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This builds on #3270 to address the linkability issues that it added. It recommends 1/16 of network paths are disabled randomly as suggested by @kazuho. It also allows the determination to be made per connection ID rather than per-path (which is more granular, but I expect it will have a nearly identical effect). The net effect is that 1/8 paths will not spin as originally intended.

Closes #3270.
Closes #3257.
Closes #2628.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3296

Commit Summary

  • Clarify the fractions of connections an endpoint must disable spin bit for
  • Disable spin randomly per-path or per-CID

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@dtikhonov apologies for splitting hairs, but since we're discussing process: the QUIC WG does not establish consensus in meeting rooms. All decisions are made in consensus calls from the chairs on the mailing list. What you described was what was said in Cupertino, which reflects some attendants' opinions, not any decision from the WG. The purpose of this issue it to establish the consensus of the WG: in order to close the issue we will need to establish whether we have consensus to make this change (close by merging PR) or consensus to close without action.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2481,12 +2481,15 @@ have 1-RTT keys, so the endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a
 Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD send
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
 
-A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys
-(see {{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know
-whether the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server
-SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets
-to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client.  These
-packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}).
+A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys (see
+{{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know whether the
+client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure that at
+least one of them is processable by the client.  Similarly, a peer might be

To ensure that there is a record of this. There are situations where handshake keys are available for sending, but not receiving at both peers.

The client might have sent it's last Handshake packet, but the server can't read 1-RTT until it processes that packet (and maybe verifies a certificate). A server might have sent its first Handshake flight, but the client hasn't received all of it, so it won't have 1-RTT keys.

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Marking as proposal-ready on the basis that we can proceed with just GMAC and later encrypt if we decide.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4380,12 +4380,10 @@ support the spin bit MUST implement it as specified in this section.
 Each endpoint unilaterally decides if the spin bit is enabled or disabled for a
 connection. Implementations MUST allow administrators of clients and servers
 to disable the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis. Even when
-the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator, implementations MUST disable
-the spin bit for a given connection with a certain likelihood. The random
-selection process SHOULD be designed such that on average the spin bit is
-disabled for at least one eighth of network paths. The selection process
-performed at the beginning of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths
-used by the connection.

I see the last sentence being dropped in the updated text. Is that intentional?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  # Contributors
 {:numbered="false"}
 
-Ryan Hamilton was originally an author of this specification.
+The IETF QUIC Working Group received an enormous amount of support from many
+people. The following people provided substantive contributions:
+Adam Langley,
+Alessandro Ghedini,
+Christian Huitema,
+Christopher Wood,
+David Schinazi,
+Dragana Damjanovic,
+Eric Rescorla,
+Ian Swett,
+Jana Iyengar,
+<u format="char-ascii" ascii="Kazuho Oku">?</u>,

@martinthomson Thank you for working on this.

Besides, I am really happy to see the possibility of using Kanjis to represent our names. Please let @tatsuhiro-t and me know if we are expected to file PRs that add / change the names to the characters we want.

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----==_mimepart_5df04f4054c18_408f3fedf6ccd96c840bc-- From nobody Tue Dec 10 18:15:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C3512008C for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:15:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G2BOck2YFqFF for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:15:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 670B7120059 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:15:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC46E6A00E2 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:15:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576030513; bh=Qczg4tl+uFvMtLsbvVwReUyA2DeJICfAV9RVe+LfHCA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=l+NCLN3Ma8vr88WlNz5ByYc0F02FL3VMF/AuRC+NrWWxYQW8esIwSh69CGOdMnEMw 6GGzYuwSpAcgZKE9nEwC4Bz6n3uUBlA2vCholHpfKFYTEOWFf//F9/8XVjbVupn4AH 6u2d17x38hOgUq4iKXK595AhIBxZ4/b/9HZmFfhw= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:15:13 -0800 From: ianswett To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 7016f4: RTTVar is not really a variance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 02:15:16 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 7016f46e961bfc46a235379c274cdaf68fccd051 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7016f46e961bfc46a235379c274cdaf68fccd051 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-11-11 (Mon, 11 Nov 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- RTTVar is not really a variance It's a mean deviation. This has confused at least one reader. Commit: 77882faf2c30745a5444168dfeac8d708c9c8117 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/77882faf2c30745a5444168dfeac8d708c9c8117 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-12-10 (Tue, 10 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-Authored-By: Jana Iyengar Commit: d8ca865c63bf318b58938eb64adf064032f5971c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d8ca865c63bf318b58938eb64adf064032f5971c Author: ianswett Date: 2019-12-10 (Tue, 10 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Co-Authored-By: Jana Iyengar Commit: 60076da33e27d5f49d9cccfe7a8aee1c67171720 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/60076da33e27d5f49d9cccfe7a8aee1c67171720 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2019-12-10 (Tue, 10 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 2625670ec2c3b179bcd81df66c6bf25946c38996 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2625670ec2c3b179bcd81df66c6bf25946c38996 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-12-10 (Tue, 10 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 918a1c05d10f94cac30b4651aed997604673a360 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/918a1c05d10f94cac30b4651aed997604673a360 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-12-10 (Tue, 10 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Reduce repetition Commit: e36b24df432acf9b049ebc49cd233c381553cb9b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e36b24df432acf9b049ebc49cd233c381553cb9b Author: ianswett Date: 2019-12-10 (Tue, 10 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3223 from quicwg/ianswett-mean-deviation RTTVar is not really a variance Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/e725fe45c124...e36b24df432a From nobody Tue Dec 10 18:15:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6931120059 for ; 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The following people provided substantive contributions: +Adam Langley, +Alessandro Ghedini, +Christian Huitema, +Christopher Wood, +David Schinazi, +Dragana Damjanovic, +Eric Rescorla, +Ian Swett, +Jana Iyengar, +?, Thanks. Just give me the text in whatever way you like. Paste it in a comment or send a PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3283#discussion_r356374744 ----==_mimepart_5df051d2e07e6_4d813fb070ecd9601131b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  # Contributors
 {:numbered="false"}
 
-Ryan Hamilton was originally an author of this specification.
+The IETF QUIC Working Group received an enormous amount of support from many
+people. The following people provided substantive contributions:
+Adam Langley,
+Alessandro Ghedini,
+Christian Huitema,
+Christopher Wood,
+David Schinazi,
+Dragana Damjanovic,
+Eric Rescorla,
+Ian Swett,
+Jana Iyengar,
+<u format="char-ascii" ascii="Kazuho Oku">?</u>,

Thanks. Just give me the text in whatever way you like. Paste it in a comment or send a PR.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -4380,12 +4380,10 @@ support the spin bit MUST implement it as specified in this section.
 Each endpoint unilaterally decides if the spin bit is enabled or disabled for a
 connection. Implementations MUST allow administrators of clients and servers
 to disable the spin bit either globally or on a per-connection basis. Even when
-the spin bit is not disabled by the administrator, implementations MUST disable
-the spin bit for a given connection with a certain likelihood. The random
-selection process SHOULD be designed such that on average the spin bit is
-disabled for at least one eighth of network paths. The selection process
-performed at the beginning of the connection SHOULD be applied for all paths
-used by the connection.

Yeah, it seems to be duplicative as the text now talks about paths rather than connections.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +{{handshake-properties}}.  Similarly, any active attacker that observes QUIC
+packets and attempts to insert new data or modify existing data in those packets
+should not be able to generate packets deemed valid by the receiving endpoint.
+
+A spoofing attack, in which an active attacker rewrites unprotected parts of a
+QUIC packet that it forwards or injects, such as the source or destination
+address, is only effective if the attacker can forward packets to the original
+endpoint.  Packet protection ensures that the packet payloads can only be
+processed by the endpoints that completed the handshake, and invalid QUIC
+packets are ignored by those endpoints.
+
+An attacker can also modify the boundaries between QUIC packets and UDP
+datagrams, causing multiple packets to be coalesced into a single datagram, or
+splitting coalesced packets into multiple datagrams.  Such modification has no
+functional effect on a QUIC connection, although it might change the performance
+characteristics exhibited by the receiving endpoint.

Of note here is that we allow Initial packets to be smaller than 1200 bytes, as long as they are coalesced with other stuff to make up a 1200 byte UDP datagram. That too is vulnerable to this sort of composition problem. I think that it's fine to make these assumptions and risk modification as long as they are recognized as such. For Initial, we are doing so on the understanding that elements on the path are able to disrupt the handshake at that point anyway. For PMTUD, we might make a different assessment as the conditions are different.

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Let this run through the consensus process, since the issue is marked as design. I'm removing the editorial tag to avoid any confusion.

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A nit, but looks good, thanks for working patiently!

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----==_mimepart_5df055e56fe0f_48033fbc114cd9682283e-- From nobody Tue Dec 10 18:36:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB7D120219 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:36:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FcgVNWuPhxtL for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:36:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D3091200F5 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:36:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971C06611D8 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:36:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576031763; bh=c3XfZC9usYoBcPgyNm94zQ40x9idrlpIAQNgQejGyFs=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=gdbTv6aG4MhCbQOEiiMFUGYyCpnbLnt7I7OrMmRt4q9/l42JuC9kTJQhhfcRUyei7 NAYakFG3rehvTmTNRCMkOoWxp4MROFx4bfF9UgsogbsVOHuwZmkbvSWZnThRhXC618 SyPfJPQkimUsW+QFbJyXAmmeXtD9wtTa1JSzb+MA= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:36:03 -0800 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 1f0017: Script updating gh-pages from cd6fcba2. 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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Dec 10 18:37:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF606120219 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:37:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oZtZ6J1e9C0c for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-14.smtp.github.com (out-14.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48F7F120059 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-28f8021.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-28f8021.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.98]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3603120385 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:37:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576031829; bh=dkXh8TqIJDQQ7tjyJKnE0vzGQWVxzAMwFSyb7vdPRSQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=T/J06lqXDXlBzTkTISaMZwr0qbT0zAVLdgeF8LBuKqI6TYkSaGloYso4fc8N+t4pp cMAMQiOqCRo0hxqoVXTdu4u5R2sfTdaLVskdssaG1LI0Eq3sQMRaqld3y++P8Xr55v cDJa3HN0o7cT6YSpZKPGMztVz1HEdgzI4/X2YvO8= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 18:37:08 -0800 From: Jana Iyengar To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 18e24e: NEW_TOKEN contains globally unique values Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 02:37:11 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 18e24e212c3abd623990da105478c9f731f7485c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/18e24e212c3abd623990da105478c9f731f7485c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-12-03 (Tue, 03 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- NEW_TOKEN contains globally unique values This is already implied by the existing text, but it isn't said directly. That is, we say that the values can't be linkable, which is a stronger requirement. Saying that you can't send the same value on two connections is much clearer. Closes #3179. Commit: 932d505c5dcc243939b7b2e6b4f1ba28aa72bd8a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/932d505c5dcc243939b7b2e6b4f1ba28aa72bd8a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-12-09 (Mon, 09 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Paraphrase suggestions Commit: 8a400b45f8817c1894ac1789f43b039070b50a72 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8a400b45f8817c1894ac1789f43b039070b50a72 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-12-10 (Tue, 10 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reword, thanks @janaiyengar Commit: cd6fcba2ed941f991e0ef5aefcd59767b295d037 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cd6fcba2ed941f991e0ef5aefcd59767b295d037 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2019-12-10 (Tue, 10 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Commit: 1eba3aa1de7f7635d9d923becc14d0aa80fbe1eb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1eba3aa1de7f7635d9d923becc14d0aa80fbe1eb Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2019-12-10 (Tue, 10 Dec 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3281 from quicwg/dedupe-token NEW_TOKEN contains globally unique values Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/e36b24df432a...1eba3aa1de7f From nobody Tue Dec 10 18:37:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71423120059 for ; 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2^16 is a large space. Do you expect to run out of 64K transport parameters for QUICv1?

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Thus, if an endpoint has to immediately close, which can do so without entering the closing period, which would establish state. It makes a general statement, which is that during the handshake - that is, for unauthenticated inputs - packets can be discarded rather than causing an immediate close. This greatly simplifies the text for a small initial. Now it only needs to say "MUST discard, MAY immediate close as well". 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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Dec 10 19:21:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1818F120219 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:21:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zYCjYjSZuv8f for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39BCA1200F5 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:21:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F609607D4 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:21:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576034482; bh=fvb4fJiNyxNjc2zrAnrn5EuQec9XQetPuZoe30hYu3U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=F+IZJmupctCpgOb3WxF4qY64v4bq1Bq9ID21ZW+CpCCwHvDCxrBKCBeM67eyinH4+ cOMSnXtWz6YdAYNFSyr+L3Wi4qYHTAFBF3S/u3hPWNiGOMdr3PbMdY5qlNkpD8qpR+ S5jDGFudx4hXXR47ga4Z0UnAhgPkJqR/qYyKbVmg= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:21:22 -0800 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameter ID and length varint (#3294) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df060b24af26_6f143fbcf26cd95c1764c7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 03:21:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df060b24af26_6f143fbcf26cd95c1764c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @DavidSchinazi > @dtikhonov apologies for splitting hairs, but since we're discussing process: the QUIC WG does not establish consensus in meeting rooms. All decisions are made in consensus calls from the chairs on the mailing list. I'm sorry to point this out, but if we are to discuss about process, isn't it the case that the consensus call for resolving #3020 has ended on Monday? Quoting from https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/voKkeoWpl5J7qtZkTJcDfIiXhls: ``` > * #3020: Transport parameter registry is too constraining for innovation > The proposal is ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3294#issuecomment-564362106 ----==_mimepart_5df060b24af26_6f143fbcf26cd95c1764c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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@dtikhonov apologies for splitting hairs, but since we're discussing process: the QUIC WG does not establish consensus in meeting rooms. All decisions are made in consensus calls from the chairs on the mailing list.

I'm sorry to point this out, but if we are to discuss about process, isn't it the case that the consensus call for resolving #3020 has ended on Monday? Quoting from https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/voKkeoWpl5J7qtZkTJcDfIiXhls:

> * #3020: Transport parameter registry is too constraining for innovation
>   The proposal is <https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3170>

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A few editorial suggestions, but this looks good to me now. > @@ -3479,10 +3498,10 @@ Datagrams containing Initial packets MAY exceed 1200 bytes if the client believes that the Path Maximum Transmission Unit (PMTU) supports the size that it chooses. -A server MAY send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with error code PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in -response to an Initial packet it receives from a client if the UDP datagram is -smaller than 1200 bytes. It MUST NOT send any other frame type in response, or -otherwise behave as if any part of the offending packet was processed as valid. +A server MUST discard an Initial packet that is carried in a UDP datagram that +is smaller than 1200 bytes. A server MAY also immediately close the connection +by sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame with an error code of PROTOCOL_VIOLATION; +see {{immediate-close}}. ```suggestion see {{immediate-close-hs}}. ``` > @@ -2491,6 +2494,22 @@ Handshake and 1-RTT packets prior to confirming the handshake; see Section 4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}. +A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame might be sent in an Initial packet or in response to ```suggestion An endpoint might send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in an Initial packet or in response to ``` > @@ -2491,6 +2494,22 @@ Handshake and 1-RTT packets prior to confirming the handshake; see Section 4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}. +A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame might be sent in an Initial packet or in response to +unauthenticated information received in Initial or Handshake packets. An ```suggestion unauthenticated information received in Initial or Handshake packets. ``` > @@ -2491,6 +2494,22 @@ Handshake and 1-RTT packets prior to confirming the handshake; see Section 4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}. +A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame might be sent in an Initial packet or in response to +unauthenticated information received in Initial or Handshake packets. An +immediate close in response might result in a denial of service for a legitimate ```suggestion Such an immediate close might expose legitimate connections to a denial of service. ``` > @@ -2491,6 +2494,22 @@ Handshake and 1-RTT packets prior to confirming the handshake; see Section 4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}. +A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame might be sent in an Initial packet or in response to +unauthenticated information received in Initial or Handshake packets. An +immediate close in response might result in a denial of service for a legitimate +connection. QUIC does not include defensive measures for on-path attacks during ```suggestion QUIC does not include defensive measures for on-path attacks during ``` > @@ -2491,6 +2494,22 @@ Handshake and 1-RTT packets prior to confirming the handshake; see Section 4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}. +A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame might be sent in an Initial packet or in response to +unauthenticated information received in Initial or Handshake packets. An +immediate close in response might result in a denial of service for a legitimate +connection. QUIC does not include defensive measures for on-path attacks during +the handshake; see {{handshake-dos}}. However, at the cost of reducing feedback +about errors for legitimate peers, some forms of denial of service can be made +more difficult for an attacker if endpoints discard illegal packets rather than +terminating a connection with CONNECTION_CLOSE. For this reason, endpoints MAY +discard packets rather than immediately close if errors are detected in packets +that lack authentication. + +An endpoint that has not established state, such as a server that detects an +error in an Initial packet, does not enter the closing state. An endpoint that +has no state for the connection sends a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame without entering ```suggestion has no state for the connection does not enter a closing or draining period ``` > @@ -2491,6 +2494,22 @@ Handshake and 1-RTT packets prior to confirming the handshake; see Section 4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see {{packet-coalesce}}. +A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame might be sent in an Initial packet or in response to +unauthenticated information received in Initial or Handshake packets. An +immediate close in response might result in a denial of service for a legitimate +connection. QUIC does not include defensive measures for on-path attacks during +the handshake; see {{handshake-dos}}. However, at the cost of reducing feedback +about errors for legitimate peers, some forms of denial of service can be made +more difficult for an attacker if endpoints discard illegal packets rather than +terminating a connection with CONNECTION_CLOSE. For this reason, endpoints MAY +discard packets rather than immediately close if errors are detected in packets +that lack authentication. + +An endpoint that has not established state, such as a server that detects an +error in an Initial packet, does not enter the closing state. 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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

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A few editorial suggestions, but this looks good to me now.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datag=
ram; see=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datag=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -2491,6 +2494,22 @@ Handshake and 1-RTT=
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 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datag=
ram; see=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -2491,6 +2494,22 @@ Handshake and 1-RTT=
 packets prior to confirming the handshake; see Section 4.1.2=0D
 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datag=
ram; see=0D
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+A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame might be sent in an Initial packet or in respon=
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-connection.  QUIC does not include defensive =
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datag=
ram; see=0D
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n=0D
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gitimate=0D
+connection.  QUIC does not include defensive measures for on-path attack=
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+more difficult for an attacker if endpoints discard illegal packets rath=
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -2491,6 +2494,22 @@ Handshake and 1-RTT=
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 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datag=
ram; see=0D
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+A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame might be sent in an Initial packet or in respon=
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+unauthenticated information received in Initial or Handshake packets.  A=
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+connection.  QUIC does not include defensive measures for on-path attack=
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+=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> @@ -2489,7 +2483,8 @@ least one of them is=
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 unable to read 1-RTT packets, so an endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOS=
E in=0D
 Handshake and 1-RTT packets prior to confirming the handshake; see Secti=
on 4.1.2=0D
 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datag=
ram; see=0D
-{{packet-coalesce}}.=0D
+{{packet-coalesce}}.  After the handshake is confirmed, an endpoint MUST=
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=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-{{packet-coalesce}}.  After the handshake is =
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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 unable to read 1-RTT packets, so an endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOS=
E in=0D
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 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datag=
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I would also suggest moving this up to the earlier para after the sent= ence "Generally, this means sending the frame in a packet with the highes= t level of packet protection to avoid the packet being discarded.". Then,= change the beginning of the next sentence to "However, prior to handshak= e confirmation ...".

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Dec 10 19:49:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE2212006B for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:49:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gM3I-HoTRwCi for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4801A120059 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:49:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 19:49:08 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576036148; bh=ml+7Kn8tJutDAlEfIX66E4nS1gPSuKYRuI8Y65ENrn4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MPCb8fgzjbpucWIapOFF2l7VxTjlRPHnnfiB9KFJNIlhZKehTNiamaTehBgMqv/UL 6H334iXnVL1sh/JyDTlJZHIzZ6YD7xJSTxP41THwrtrYPxMZGs2xlJDM1hW3cfdk5b S+nyNY/aO4+uvGO6TVRr1qyYO26jLEgfJrHZb8uQ= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameter ID and length varint (#3294) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df06734892d4_131d3fce2decd96c253bf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 03:49:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df06734892d4_131d3fce2decd96c253bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar 2^16 is not a large space. Trying to request a UDP port from IANA is an informative way to find out just how small 2^16 is, and how strongly defended a 2^16 registry becomes over time. I acknowledge that we have different IANA procedures than UDP ports, but given enough time, we're bound to hit the limit. @kazuho That's a reasonable point, and I respect it. My understanding of that consensus call was that it only covered the IANA portion of the issue. But perhaps we should focus on the technical reasons why we want, or don't want, to make the proposed change? :) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3294#issuecomment-564367747 ----==_mimepart_5df06734892d4_131d3fce2decd96c253bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar 2^16 is not a large space. Trying to request a UDP port from IANA is an informative way to find out just how small 2^16 is, and how strongly defended a 2^16 registry becomes over time. I acknowledge that we have different IANA procedures than UDP ports, but given enough time, we're bound to hit the limit.

@kazuho That's a reasonable point, and I respect it. My understanding of that consensus call was that it only covered the IANA portion of the issue. But perhaps we should focus on the technical reasons why we want, or don't want, to make the proposed change? :)

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Alright kids, no more process fighting. My recollection is hazy, but I remember us punting this question. We might have differing recollections, and it's worth coming to a conclusion again here to write it down clearly.

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LGTM modulo the editorial concerns below. > @@ -5759,11 +5778,15 @@ During the creation of a connection, QUIC only provides protection against attack from off the network path. All QUIC packets contain proof that the recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer. -The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are -required to match those set by a peer. Except for an Initial and stateless -reset packets, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination -connection that matches a connection ID the endpoint previously chose. This is -the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets. +Addresses cannot change during the handshake, so endpoints can discard packets +that are received on a different network path. + +The source and destination connection IDs are the primary means of protection +against off-path attack during the handshake. These are required to match those +set by a peer. Except for an Initial and stateless reset packets, an endpoint +only accepts packets that include a destination connection that matches a s/a destination connection/a Destination Connection ID/ > @@ -5759,11 +5778,15 @@ During the creation of a connection, QUIC only provides protection against attack from off the network path. All QUIC packets contain proof that the recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer. -The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are -required to match those set by a peer. Except for an Initial and stateless -reset packets, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination -connection that matches a connection ID the endpoint previously chose. This is -the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets. +Addresses cannot change during the handshake, so endpoints can discard packets +that are received on a different network path. + +The source and destination connection IDs are the primary means of protection s/source and destination connection IDs/Source and Destination Connection IDs/ It is my understanding is that we use CamelCase for these terms. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3292#pullrequestreview-330285308 ----==_mimepart_5df06833f09f8_33e83fcaa70cd96848151 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho approved this pull request.

LGTM modulo the editorial concerns below.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5759,11 +5778,15 @@ During the creation of a connection, QUIC only provides protection against
 attack from off the network path.  All QUIC packets contain proof that the
 recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
 
-The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
-required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial and stateless
-reset packets, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
-connection that matches a connection ID the endpoint previously chose.  This is
-the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets.
+Addresses cannot change during the handshake, so endpoints can discard packets
+that are received on a different network path.
+
+The source and destination connection IDs are the primary means of protection
+against off-path attack during the handshake.  These are required to match those
+set by a peer.  Except for an Initial and stateless reset packets, an endpoint
+only accepts packets that include a destination connection that matches a

s/a destination connection/a Destination Connection ID/

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5759,11 +5778,15 @@ During the creation of a connection, QUIC only provides protection against
 attack from off the network path.  All QUIC packets contain proof that the
 recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
 
-The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
-required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial and stateless
-reset packets, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
-connection that matches a connection ID the endpoint previously chose.  This is
-the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets.
+Addresses cannot change during the handshake, so endpoints can discard packets
+that are received on a different network path.
+
+The source and destination connection IDs are the primary means of protection

s/source and destination connection IDs/Source and Destination Connection IDs/

It is my understanding is that we use CamelCase for these terms.

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@DavidSchinazi: In terms of scale, it seems to me that we are talking about the equivalent of TCP options, not the equivalent of the number of all applications that have (and might) run over TCP, ever.

We also have the benefit of versions.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2489,7 +2483,8 @@ least one of them is processable by the client.  Similarly, a peer might be
 unable to read 1-RTT packets, so an endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE in
 Handshake and 1-RTT packets prior to confirming the handshake; see Section 4.1.2
 of {{QUIC-TLS}}.  These packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram; see
-{{packet-coalesce}}.
+{{packet-coalesce}}.  After the handshake is confirmed, an endpoint MUST send

Yep, that makes more sense. Thanks.

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The client might have sent it's last Handshake packet

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2481,12 +2481,15 @@ have 1-RTT keys, so the endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a
 Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD send
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
 
-A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys
-(see {{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know
-whether the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server
-SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets
-to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client.  These
-packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}).
+A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys (see
+{{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know whether the
+client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure that at
+least one of them is processable by the client.  Similarly, a peer might be

The client might have sent it's last Handshake packet

Its such a shame: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/01/laziness-has-won-apostrophe-society-admits-its-defeat

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2481,12 +2481,15 @@ have 1-RTT keys, so the endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a
 Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD send
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
 
-A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys
-(see {{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know
-whether the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server
-SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets
-to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client.  These
-packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}).
+A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys (see
+{{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know whether the
+client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure that at
+least one of them is processable by the client.  Similarly, a peer might be

Yikes. I don't make that mistake often, but you got me.

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If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet. -A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys -(see {{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know -whether the client has Handshake keys. Under these circumstances, a server -SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets -to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client. These -packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}). +A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys (see +{{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know whether the +client has Handshake keys. Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD send a +CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure that at +least one of them is processable by the client. Similarly, a peer might be heh, I'm just sad that the apostrophe society is dead. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3293#discussion_r356394561 ----==_mimepart_5df06afb7b040_32853fd74bacd96c128466 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2481,12 +2481,15 @@ have 1-RTT keys, so the endpoint SHOULD send CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in a
 Handshake packet.  If the endpoint does not have Handshake keys, it SHOULD send
 CONNECTION_CLOSE frames in an Initial packet.
 
-A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys
-(see {{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know
-whether the client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server
-SHOULD send a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets
-to ensure that at least one of them is processable by the client.  These
-packets can be coalesced into a single UDP datagram (see {{packet-coalesce}}).
+A client will always know whether the server has Handshake keys (see
+{{discard-initial}}), but it is possible that a server does not know whether the
+client has Handshake keys.  Under these circumstances, a server SHOULD send a
+CONNECTION_CLOSE frame in both Handshake and Initial packets to ensure that at
+least one of them is processable by the client.  Similarly, a peer might be

heh, I'm just sad that the apostrophe society is dead.

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In some cases, we allow CONNECTION_CLOSE (or immediate close) to be used when there is no state for the associated "connection". Most notably, this happens when a server receives a bogus Initial from a client (see #3269 for the prime example).

Immediate close works fine for those cases, except that it mandates the creation of state: the timer that runs for the closing period and maybe a packet. That doesn't make sense, because what you want prior to establishing ANY state is to just send the signal without creating any state.

So, we should allow an exception for immediate close where there is no connection state. This requires a little finesse as it touches on DoS concerns. An (unauthenticated) Initial packet might is handled statelessly with the resulting CONNECTION_CLOSE causing the client to kill state. If the server wanted to keep that state, that might be bad. For that, there is no perfect answer, because it trades off feedback about errors against a very narrow form of denial of service that we agreed we wouldn't take special steps to protect against. So we should just explain the trade-off and let the servers decide what to do.

#3292 fixes this one.

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I also think that we do not need more than 2^16 space for Transport Parameters.

In addition to what we know from how TCP options are being used (as @janaiyengar points out), I would also point out that every TP consumes space in the handshake packets that the endpoints exchange. To paraphrase, there is an incentive to keep the number of TPs being used small. I do not think we'd ever see endpoints sending thousands of TPs.

Assuming that is the case, there is no practical reason to switch to varints. As I have pointed out in #3020, some of us have been reusing a encoder / decoder designed for TLS, switching to a varint-based design would require those to write a new codec specifically for QUIC. That's just a burden.

I think we should concentrate on fixing real issues rather than requiring everybody to make an unneeded change.

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----==_mimepart_5df072509517a_6a703fb8178cd96c20851-- From nobody Tue Dec 10 20:42:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30521200EF for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 20:42:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IYXEBTnkZ8At for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 20:42:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0F6A12002F for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 20:42:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 20:42:05 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576039325; bh=hddvq0exJoz9lhwgr9OGIWftPuQc/mz+6xLlE2p0QDE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wUHELxkMob4dsmYHfOERnw0ruKyh+/0X6ZriH17m0mZMNuQ5T2K005EmLoJrC816v W3ZqA3Im2PI8wSfvlQX/SMbfzAAepavEL64dUkTG9BzYzzJ5M2O+w6S7ElbosIQWER alIWYzIK1H8r4/1QyoiaaZrclF8oVupuXpvhIcFs= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameter ID and length varint (#3294) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df0739d933d0_55b73fb1a1ccd96c340bb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 04:42:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df0739d933d0_55b73fb1a1ccd96c340bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99m in favor of making this change. There=E2=80=99s value in havi= ng a consistent encoding across the protocol.=0D =0D I don=E2=80=99t think that building a parser for this frame would be a re= al burden, considering that implementations already have parsers for 15 o= r so frame types. =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3294#issuecomment-564376963= ----==_mimepart_5df0739d933d0_55b73fb1a1ccd96c340bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I=E2=80=99m in favor of making this change. There=E2=80=99s value in h= aving a consistent encoding across the protocol.

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There=E2=80=99s value in having a consistent encoding across the proto= col.

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While I understand that it looks inconsistent from QUIC, current d= esign is consistent to TLS. And Transport Parameters is a TLS extens= ion.

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I don't think the current design (what's in draft-24) is consistent with TLS - many of our transport parameters have varint values, and TLS doesn't have those.

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----==_mimepart_5df077f2ecb06_1e083ff9e7ecd968716c1-- From nobody Tue Dec 10 21:08:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C731200FF for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:08:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yfs24xmlSc6i for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:08:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C942F12002F for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:08:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:08:48 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576040928; bh=G/5zv3kGQdxRPKctwf9gJoFKBz7YpnAOy1vmlT7OZSk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=v008fmQfDhzZLC2YJEVAVOeFoQugjjO6uPQDyusTDsCWxebRWTkiTU8Wn13TTRCHx fIBN56d+E61ihd2TpF9XtdMf+5HvO7zEGDW1E8WU0wTHX4SjBWx/RGpG8AmHP0LAE8 qMP1Lm/9CFFtL1ctiA/WlzlZrfgS14JXeg2DHp54= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameter ID and length varint (#3294) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df079e0d99d_5d5d3f84848cd9609345b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 05:08:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df079e0d99d_5d5d3f84848cd9609345b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The model is that the content of each Transport Parameter is built by QUIC, whereas they are encoded by TLS. FWIW, the transition to the current model was made in #1608. During the time (late 2018), we discussed the possibility of moving the TP ID and length fields to varints as well, see https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/KMSoDdUGs-R7P_GfcBJTxvJARiw, and we decided to not, some stating that it's already late. #3020 was not the first time discussing the issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3294#issuecomment-564382402 ----==_mimepart_5df079e0d99d_5d5d3f84848cd9609345b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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The model is that the content of each Transport Parameter is built by QUIC, whereas they are encoded by TLS.

That's a pretty complicated model to begin with. I cannot see that it serves any purpose other than being able to use TLS presentation language. Which we removed in #3108.

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I cannot see any reason for using this model than being able to use TL= S presentation language. Which we removed in #3108.

I do not think that is a fair argument. As I have stated in #3169 (comment), it is my understanding that we agreed on on= ly switching to a QUIC-based notation, while preserving the uint16 encodi= ng, which coincides with what #3020 states.

I can see that we disagree on that. If that is the case, maybe we shou= ld start by first going back to the TLS notation?

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If that is the case, maybe we should start by first going back to the TLS notation?

If I remember correctly, the main argument for giving up on the TLS notation was improved readability for people who are not familiar with TLS representation language. From the viewpoint of consistency in encoding, switching back to it would definitely be an improvement though.
That being said, I still don't understand why TLS should be involved with the encoding of a value that it never treats as anything other than an opaque blob.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +## HANDSHAKE_DONE frame {#handshake-done-frame}
+
+The server uses the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame (type=0x1e) to signal confirmation of
+the handshake to the client.  The HANDSHAKE_DONE frame contains no additional
+fields.
+
+This frame can only be sent by the server. Servers MUST NOT send a
+HANDSHAKE_DONE frame before completing the handshake.  A server MUST treat
+receipt of a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame as a connection error of type
+PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+
+A client MAY consider the handshake to be confirmed when it receives an
+acknowledgement for a 1-RTT packet.  This can be implemented by recording
+the lowest packet number sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the
+Largest Acknowledged field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is
+higher than or equal to the former, the handshake can be confirmed.

Sorry about catching this so late, but this is entirely editorial: This para does not belong here; this section is the frame description section. Can you move this para to the {{handshake-confirmed}} section in QUIC-TLS?

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +## HANDSHAKE_DONE frame {#handshake-done-frame}
+
+The server uses the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame (type=0x1e) to signal confirmation of
+the handshake to the client.  The HANDSHAKE_DONE frame contains no additional
+fields.
+
+This frame can only be sent by the server. Servers MUST NOT send a
+HANDSHAKE_DONE frame before completing the handshake.  A server MUST treat
+receipt of a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame as a connection error of type
+PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+
+A client MAY consider the handshake to be confirmed when it receives an
+acknowledgement for a 1-RTT packet.  This can be implemented by recording
+the lowest packet number sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the
+Largest Acknowledged field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is
+higher than or equal to the former, the handshake can be confirmed.

Gah. I had the same thought before but failed to write it down. Thanks for catching that. I'll open a PR.

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  • d3aabcc Move alternative confirmation method
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If I remember correctly, the main argument for giving up on the TLS notation was improved readability for people who are not familiar with TLS representation language.

Re moving away from TLS notation, my memory is consistent to what you describe.

From the viewpoint of consistency in encoding, switching back to it would definitely be an improvement though.

I think you make a good point here. Assuming that we keep the status quo, it would be helpful to the readers if we explained why it is designed as such. Maybe something like following would be a good idea: To encourage code reuse, the encoding and validation requirements of Transport Parameters follows that of TLS extensions (RFC 8446; section 4.2](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8446#section-4.2)).

That being said, I still don't understand why TLS should be involved with the encoding of a value that it never treats as anything other than an opaque blob.

This is the only case in QUIC where we need to skip an opaque value of unknown type. That's why we use a type-length-value. We are also required to check that each parameter appears at most once, and also that the length of known parameters are as expected.

These requirements happen to be exactly equivalent to what is required for TLS extensions. And therefore it is beneficial if the existing code in TLS stack can be reused. Considering that QUIC already has a pretty tight coupling with TLS, I do not think it is unnatural to endorse such reuse.

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@ghedo commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> +     all_packets_lost =
+       lost_packets.length() == (lost_packets.last().packet_number -
+                                 lost_packets.first().packet_number + 1)

IMO the text or the comment should at the very least include the points that were raised in this disucssion, otherwise we'll just keep revisiting this over and over, and discussions on GitHub really won't help implementers once the spec is final. Also, I think the slight restructuring of the pseudo-code, where InPersistentCongestion() takes the whole list of lost packets is also more helpful to clarify what the information needed to make the decision is.

I can look into making another PR to do that, while keeping AreAllPacketsLost() undefined, if no one else wants to try.

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Another advantage to using TLS Presentation Language (TLSPL) is that one does not have to learn (or make) YAPL (yet another presentation language). As a matter of fact, it would be (and was) convenient to state explicitly that TLSPL is used. Putting the reference to TLSPL back into the document is a fine idea.

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Why is DetectLostPackets only called for the time threshold loss case? Shouldn't it at least also be called for the anti-deadlock case?

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

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DetectLostPackets() is called when an ACK is received that acknowledges new packets or the loss detection timer fires, which I believe lines up with the text.

Why would it be called in the anti-deadlock case? The only two loss triggers are packet threshold and time. Packet threshold requires a new ACK, and the loss time is only set/changed when a new ACK is received.

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Gorry and I discussed this in Singapore, and I believe this issue stemmed from some poor word choice, which I and Jana fixed in editorial PRs while we were there.

As such, I don't think a further design change is necessary here.

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----==_mimepart_5df104ba78974_2c6f3f988cecd95c2371da-- From nobody Wed Dec 11 07:19:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97831208C0 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 07:19:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 40W1oCFWhtZU for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 07:19:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FD75120896 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 07:19:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63088A043E for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 07:18:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576077539; bh=bHUwj/yCIXXYyNoxA0q+ZsH7Q527i7OF1zYlSz6aDMQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yB1SP/3+ZpIomQ8bNzuql6B4tGR94ahCDvrhKeWbDAK9o1B+9H81Sk6mjj9+0WtJb 18jsDlQpR6pVU2xxSg/R3aWVMEAmi1M/DAE8a8tM00sgNdfyOz1J/qWwp2tYQvMrbx 7jwVTNXJ6MOHX/g6wU5GkB9b5ix+7220KR85TNRM= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 07:18:59 -0800 From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameter ID and length varint (#3294) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df108e3539de_66fc3fb8490cd96015722b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 15:19:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df108e3539de_66fc3fb8490cd96015722b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I support this change for a numbers of reasons: 1. The QUIC layer is the one that reads and writes the contents of the TP, not the TLS layer. QUIC libraries cannot be dependent on TLS libraries to encode/decode the individual parameters. QUIC and TLS should be independent enough, so that they can evolve in parallel, without requiring changes to both, whenever one changes. Not to mention, not all/many TLS libraries will/do expose this type of functionality already. 2. No where else in the QUIC code/spec do I need to use or understand TLS encoding. This shouldn't be an exception to that. 3. The current encoding TLS scheme requires an extra, unnecessary length field for the whole TP, because of how TLS presentation language specifies the list of parameters. IMO, this just makes the code more awkward and I'd like to be able to remove it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3294#issuecomment-564592324 ----==_mimepart_5df108e3539de_66fc3fb8490cd96015722b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I support this change for a numbers of reasons:

  1. The QUIC layer is the one that reads and writes the contents of the TP, not the TLS layer. QUIC libraries cannot be dependent on TLS libraries to encode/decode the individual parameters. QUIC and TLS should be independent enough, so that they can evolve in parallel, without requiring changes to both, whenever one changes. Not to mention, not all/many TLS libraries will/do expose this type of functionality already.
  2. No where else in the QUIC code/spec do I need to use or understand TLS encoding. This shouldn't be an exception to that.
  3. The current encoding TLS scheme requires an extra, unnecessary length field for the whole TP, because of how TLS presentation language specifies the list of parameters. IMO, this just makes the code more awkward and I'd like to be able to remove it.

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I heartily agree with what @nibanks wrote. QUIC reads and writes TP and when QUIC reads and writes integers, varints are the way to go (as evidences by TPs with varint values). Using varints here is more consistent with the rest of QUIC code and is simpler.

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+1 to what @nibanks said.

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What if you get no ACKs during the handshake? You never declare packets lost. You still RTX them, but that seems suboptimal.

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FWIW, my plan was to use git blame -w draft-ietf-quic-http.md | perl -n -e '/^.*?\((.*?)\s+[\d]{4}/; print $1,"\n"' | sort -f | uniq -c | sort -n to generate an initial list and then use judgement where to draw the cut-off and/or add people who contributed on the mailing list but not on git.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5759,11 +5778,15 @@ During the creation of a connection, QUIC only provides protection against
 attack from off the network path.  All QUIC packets contain proof that the
 recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
 
-The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
-required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial and stateless
-reset packets, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
-connection that matches a connection ID the endpoint previously chose.  This is
-the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets.
+Addresses cannot change during the handshake, so endpoints can discard packets
+that are received on a different network path.
+
+The source and destination connection IDs are the primary means of protection

We might have gotten sloppy on the distinction, but I believe in most places we capitalize the field names, but lower-case the concepts.

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I understood the feedback in Cupertino as being to decouple the questions, not to reject any of them outright. The PR mixed several changes, and it was hard to discuss the combined PR effectively.

Fundamentally, this seems to be a case of design reflecting a coding pattern. If your pattern is that the QUIC layer generates a binary structure, hands the opaque blob to TLS and says "this is the payload of extension foo," then it makes total sense to varint everything, because it's part of QUIC.

If your coding pattern is that the transport parameters are a known structure and TLS is handed a key-value store that it knows how to serialize, then it makes total sense to TLSPL everything, because it's part of TLS.

On the whole, the first pattern seems more likely to me, but fundamentally we're shipping a code architecture choice here.

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----==_mimepart_5df147d7d281e_50fb3feac78cd95c4572c3-- From nobody Wed Dec 11 12:01:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177C71209FC for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 12:01:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5p8-PeI0MP_3 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 12:01:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DF7E120127 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 12:01:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6B4661265 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 12:01:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576094472; bh=eUHBfHdel2uID59KmXx/C+7Gy+h5S8ik/AlgowElDvw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yU2fe3PS+FAMj3IDQ7VIKCElB+ig9tPG6suN5TDCHBhMUV8FxSomCu7X7cizraO6u VVokxizGUko9270torPLWoCvdDzjk2KeBURfUJ5kMkPV2KAGfVGsNY3vZkijfN6fPu BcGfWufg8DHNrP4jIVV7FaPXIz+HdkSKqOB5fvhc= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 12:01:12 -0800 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameter ID and length varint (#3294) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df14b081d56c_15363f92206cd9682995e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:01:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df14b081d56c_15363f92206cd9682995e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can easily see a QUIC version that does not use TLS, so making TP independent of TLS would be fine by me. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3294#issuecomment-564708648 ----==_mimepart_5df14b081d56c_15363f92206cd9682995e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I can easily see a QUIC version that does not use TLS, so making TP independent of TLS would be fine by me.

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I'd like to be clear about one thing: the proposed change is not about extensibility, this is a cosmetic change. I get that it might be "nicer" to some to have this be more uniform with the rest of QUIC. But I'm not hearing more arguments about the space being too constraining.

This change is not debilitating to anyone, and I expect that we'll all be able to live with either decision. I'm not keen about cosmetic changes at this point. As @kazuho noted, several of us said in late 2018 that it was too late to make this change because it was too late then. It's even later now.

I don't think this is important enough to change the handshake yet again at this late stage.

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----==_mimepart_5df1630deada5_4c273fc3664cd95c656b0-- From nobody Wed Dec 11 13:48:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB7312004C for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:48:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wsFhBYUnUVOT for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:48:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EAAB120025 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:48:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B039396075B for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:48:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576100897; bh=tJIFFtMpYJDPWzHcqWUjWEjxYkMdRGJRgYAHzetmXro=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WOZaXTGjNJf2QEAOIhJmSdXemzgadoYR7h2Kh3uFSwp8MXyS7P5tCrJY0GupcRAkE wko97Kp/CnnQKDEIi9xu2yp0Smc8HnJbCYRnK5llUK3MiL1vMzSO/5CmSgJlGJNhj9 8FSTXYLJLsufZ7iGxyuP5k1UXw4AyZbU8BmZksmk= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:48:17 -0800 From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameter ID and length varint (#3294) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df16421999fd_3f1b3fc3b1acd9602265e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 21:48:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df16421999fd_3f1b3fc3b1acd9602265e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I personally don't think the argument can be made that we're too late in the game to make changes that effect the handshake when we just merged a PR that completely rewrites the whole Retry path. That's a huge change! All because folks argued that UDP checksum was not enough. This is like a 15 minute code change. That Retry change is at least half a day most likely. Also, it's not purely a cosmetic change, since it removes an extra (and unnecessary) list length. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3294#issuecomment-564748194 ----==_mimepart_5df16421999fd_3f1b3fc3b1acd9602265e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I personally don't think the argument can be made that we're too late in the game to make changes that effect the handshake when we just merged a PR that completely rewrites the whole Retry path. That's a huge change! All because folks argued that UDP checksum was not enough. This is like a 15 minute code change. That Retry change is at least half a day most likely. Also, it's not purely a cosmetic change, since it removes an extra (and unnecessary) list length.

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----==_mimepart_5df16421999fd_3f1b3fc3b1acd9602265e-- From nobody Wed Dec 11 13:54:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A75A12004C for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:54:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UK97PyGPJ8oI for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9FAB120025 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390B71204DB for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:54:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576101271; bh=c5rNuLuIGVG+nwHpfnNyrk/GIbUZEos9QvhKrEbSDBo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BIIeONO7o31+DekSNWeroWYDW/4EeCerzYpd9P4965VdfCxfKGhAk88ojGW0bL6+6 0yeBgxAeWQE2cIBF2Q6DKxX0MYEJv8i3BVtP0Rz6FMc9aeULRiCkA8U56FC4r4POvL veaq+Yq5BqRD29zH79gT35yPNrg5iYqPw7dq2YyI= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 13:54:30 -0800 From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameter ID and length varint (#3294) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df16596e75d0_47663fc2596cd9689155d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 21:54:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df16596e75d0_47663fc2596cd9689155d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I personally don't think the argument can be made that we're too late in the game to make changes that effect the handshake when we just merged a PR that completely rewrites the whole Retry path. The two changes are different. The Retry change addresses an obvious technical deficiency in the protocol and thus it passed the Late Stage filter. Changing TP IDs to varints is not on the same urgency level. > This is like a 15 minute code change. 15 minutes, eh? You are a better programmer than I am; or a better hyperbolator. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3294#issuecomment-564750259 ----==_mimepart_5df16596e75d0_47663fc2596cd9689155d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I personally don't think the argument can be made that we're too late in the game to make changes that effect the handshake when we just merged a PR that completely rewrites the whole Retry path.

The two changes are different. The Retry change addresses an obvious technical deficiency in the protocol and thus it passed the Late Stage filter. Changing TP IDs to varints is not on the same urgency level.

This is like a 15 minute code change.

15 minutes, eh? You are a better programmer than I am; or a better hyperbolator.

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If your pattern is that the QUIC layer generates a binary structure, hands the opaque blob to TLS and says "this is the payload of extension foo," then it makes total sense to varint everything, because it's part of QUIC. > > If your coding pattern is that the transport parameters are a known structure and TLS is handed a key-value store that it knows how to serialize, then it makes total sense to TLSPL everything, because it's part of TLS. I think that this is a good summary of the trade-off that we have here. FWIW, the latter approach (using a helper provided by TLS) can use something other than a key-value store. As an example, picotls does not provide an API for encoding / decoding extensions, but provides a closure-based API1 for encoding decoding TLS blocks instead, which is used by quicly. The code that encodes TP is at [quicly.c line 1389-1435](https://github.com/h2o/quicly/blob/0b0ba909eb502ae9db300f75819e3d207ba503c8/lib/quicly.c#L1389-L1435), the code that decodes TPs is at [line 1459-1546](https://github.com/h2o/quicly/blob/0b0ba909eb502ae9db300f75819e3d207ba503c8/lib/quicly.c#L1459-L1546). Because the encoding / decoding process are defined as callbacks of the TLS stack, they directly read from / append to the buffer built by the TLS stack. As stated in [my previous comment](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3294#issuecomment-564442061), encoding / decoding TPs is a complicated task that happens as part of the TLS handshake message processing, it would be helpful to allow these kinds of code reuse. If we are to switch to varints for both TP ID and length, there would be much much less chance of such code reuse, because the structures of the TLV encoding would depend on the varint encoding of QUIC. In case of quicly, we would be copy-pasting the helper functions provided by picotls, changing the code that handles uint16 to varints. That's certainly possible, but the additional complexity is far more than the cost of using uint16 instead of varints here. 1: With the caveat that something that looks like a closure (or a block of code) is actually a macro in case of C though :-) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3294#issuecomment-564750434 ----==_mimepart_5df165b4f30c_2ed3fca0e6cd9601212c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Fundamentally, this seems to be a case of design reflecting a coding pattern. If your pattern is that the QUIC layer generates a binary structure, hands the opaque blob to TLS and says "this is the payload of extension foo," then it makes total sense to varint everything, because it's part of QUIC.

If your coding pattern is that the transport parameters are a known structure and TLS is handed a key-value store that it knows how to serialize, then it makes total sense to TLSPL everything, because it's part of TLS.

I think that this is a good summary of the trade-off that we have here.

FWIW, the latter approach (using a helper provided by TLS) can use something other than a key-value store.

As an example, picotls does not provide an API for encoding / decoding extensions, but provides a closure-based API1 for encoding decoding TLS blocks instead, which is used by quicly. The code that encodes TP is at quicly.c line 1389-1435, the code that decodes TPs is at line 1459-1546. Because the encoding / decoding process are defined as callbacks of the TLS stack, they directly read from / append to the buffer built by the TLS stack.

As stated in my previous comment, encoding / decoding TPs is a complicated task that happens as part of the TLS handshake message processing, it would be helpful to allow these kinds of code reuse.

If we are to switch to varints for both TP ID and length, there would be much much less chance of such code reuse, because the structures of the TLV encoding would depend on the varint encoding of QUIC. In case of quicly, we would be copy-pasting the helper functions provided by picotls, changing the code that handles uint16 to varints.

That's certainly possible, but the additional complexity is far more than the cost of using uint16 instead of varints here.

1: With the caveat that something that looks like a closure (or a block of code) is actually a macro in case of C though :-)

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If I was to do something, I'd reserve one value for INTERNAL_ERROR across all apps for consistency.

I suspect most app protocols will need to define some value for INTERNAL_ERROR anyway. Why not just define 0 = INTERNAL_ERROR for all protocols?

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@geoffkizer : See @kazuho's comment above. Stream resets are (effectively) reserved for use by the application, since streams have application semantics associated with them. If there is a stream-level error within the transport, that results in a connection level error.

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Also, we did reserve stream 0 in the past, but explicitly chose (for the reasons already discussed here) not to keep that reservation. Let's not second-guess that decision unless we have new information. I haven't seen any new information in this issue so far.

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That's part of what I did. git shortlog -sne $file might be better than blame, especially since that captures changes that were subsequently erased by other commits. There are some duplicates as some people change names, and root appears to have contributed in at least one case, but it works well enough.

I also walked through the issues and mailing list to see if there were others who made contributions other than commits.

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----==_mimepart_5df17b028f107_69e53fc199ecd96c706e1-- From nobody Wed Dec 11 15:44:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D9A1200F4 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 15:44:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X4B9CyzEu04Y for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 15:44:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FA781200B3 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 15:44:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-28f8021.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-28f8021.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.98]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF8E1C0C4B for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 15:44:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576107894; bh=VdDZN+UEg/dlxDDGIcFEa8mBdyP4B9ZFl/poCMy3HeA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Fvzx3xaRAZx1CHclj8NF5v6+By7oG+YpnBuGYNJs8F7E+BONEhGslFRC1k9URA2Do DrUxeZJzCpO0SZidFkPtItVgA++kns94jVHOTVr4UB4Pua9LhBwZT3+pkrWIFwAHVA cX6IEfsUi3LjK79UslQxAP6I0HJiqu5BAKc2m5UQ= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 15:44:54 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define stateless CONNECTION_CLOSE (#3292) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df17f769d466_2a083fa0d26cd95c1233ba"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 23:44:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df17f769d466_2a083fa0d26cd95c1233ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -5759,11 +5778,15 @@ During the creation of a connection, QUIC only provides protection against attack from off the network path. All QUIC packets contain proof that the recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer. -The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are -required to match those set by a peer. Except for an Initial and stateless -reset packets, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination -connection that matches a connection ID the endpoint previously chose. This is -the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets. +Addresses cannot change during the handshake, so endpoints can discard packets +that are received on a different network path. + +The source and destination connection IDs are the primary means of protection Yup. I don't think that we have the concept of a "destination connection ID" separate from the field though, so I am now referring to the fields directly. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3292#discussion_r356894635 ----==_mimepart_5df17f769d466_2a083fa0d26cd95c1233ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5759,11 +5778,15 @@ During the creation of a connection, QUIC only provides protection against
 attack from off the network path.  All QUIC packets contain proof that the
 recipient saw a preceding packet from its peer.
 
-The first mechanism used is the source and destination connection IDs, which are
-required to match those set by a peer.  Except for an Initial and stateless
-reset packets, an endpoint only accepts packets that include a destination
-connection that matches a connection ID the endpoint previously chose.  This is
-the only protection offered for Version Negotiation packets.
+Addresses cannot change during the handshake, so endpoints can discard packets
+that are received on a different network path.
+
+The source and destination connection IDs are the primary means of protection

Yup. I don't think that we have the concept of a "destination connection ID" separate from the field though, so I am now referring to the fields directly.

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@nibanks

This is like a 15 minute code change.

I think that this comment illustrates the difference of pain among the parties.

For people having a type-length-value codec specific to QUIC, the pain of sticking uint16 here is as small as something that can be modified in 15 minutes.

Compared to that, the pain would be much bigger for people sharing the codec with TLS, if we decide to move to a varint-based design. This is because that move would enforce those people to have two codecs instead of one, even though the logic would be equivalent with the exception of the integer representations being used.

The requirements on the type-length-value codec is not trivial. The decoder is required to:

  • parse IDs and block lengths
  • check that the block lengths were consistent for parameters that have been parsed
  • detect duplicate IDs

For those who can share the codec, it helps a lot if these logic can be kept and maintained in one place.

I see that some people are arguing that the encoding can be different based on the view that TP belongs to QUIC. I dispute that. We deliberately decided to mix crypto handshake and transport negotiation in QUIC. TP is a cross-layer thing that is exchanged during the TLS handshake.

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@igorlord approved this pull request.

Looks good technically. It may be slightly confusing, though, that the last sentence only talks about paths, while a sentence before talks about "paths or connection IDs". In any case, the behavior ensures a sufficient amount of traffic without the spin bit to prevent ossification of the bit.

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It is by design that we don't mark things as lost until an ACK is received. That is, lack of feedback is not treated as loss to avoid undoing things later when the RTT may actually have changed. Receipt of an ACK is an important signal that the RTT is fine, and that it is actually likely that packets have been lost.

As Ryan asks, what happens that is suboptimal?

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Looks good to me, and thank you for adding this column. Seeing frames like PATH_CHALLENGE/RESPONSE in 0RTT packets is strange, but clearly allowed by the spec. I don't see a reason to changing this, but it's why I think this column is useful.

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----==_mimepart_5df1ab4b3cb52_10fb3fad81acd960790e4-- From nobody Wed Dec 11 18:52:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C631200F6 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 18:52:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28cOcstERCIR for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 18:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D41961200C5 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 18:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.84]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC84A0A3C for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 18:52:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576119163; bh=io8X+knHrTsTiGEibzzuYBzAaJeJyeB2sjdzoMp7jOk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pY0ewaKUn5+K46BGl0JzOgREJtfFqPuhGJMSLxaszhbpd1IluMHVNF/5fu3xiJzsN aJ5ss6xNyAv5ERD0XD4JjWP+Qj8PDiLmrM5XzA/5oavIK4kw13xFE8oQgxFP42baI2 8znMfd7gdsjeAaoHtNpICLxrGDfQsZj1+UnZaaec= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 18:52:43 -0800 From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Summarize where frames can be used (#3227) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df1ab7bdbfc7_6c13fae476cd95c745a1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 02:52:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df1ab7bdbfc7_6c13fae476cd95c745a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit marten-seemann approved this pull request. > +| 0x04 | RESET_STREAM | {{frame-reset-stream}} | __01 | +| 0x05 | STOP_SENDING | {{frame-stop-sending}} | __01 | +| 0x06 | CRYPTO | {{frame-crypto}} | IH_1 | +| 0x07 | NEW_TOKEN | {{frame-new-token}} | ___1 | +| 0x08 - 0x0f | STREAM | {{frame-stream}} | __01 | +| 0x10 | MAX_DATA | {{frame-max-data}} | __01 | +| 0x11 | MAX_STREAM_DATA | {{frame-max-stream-data}} | __01 | +| 0x12 - 0x13 | MAX_STREAMS | {{frame-max-streams}} | __01 | +| 0x14 | DATA_BLOCKED | {{frame-data-blocked}} | __01 | +| 0x15 | STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED | {{frame-stream-data-blocked}} | __01 | +| 0x16 - 0x17 | STREAMS_BLOCKED | {{frame-streams-blocked}} | __01 | +| 0x18 | NEW_CONNECTION_ID | {{frame-new-connection-id}} | __01 | +| 0x19 | RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID | {{frame-retire-connection-id}} | __01 | +| 0x1a | PATH_CHALLENGE | {{frame-path-challenge}} | __01 | +| 0x1b | PATH_RESPONSE | {{frame-path-response}} | __01 | +| 0x1c - 0x1d | CONNECTION_CLOSE | {{frame-connection-close}} | IH_1* | We'll need to add HANDHAKE_DONE here once #3145 is merged. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3227#pullrequestreview-330967495 ----==_mimepart_5df1ab7bdbfc7_6c13fae476cd95c745a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@marten-seemann approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +| 0x04        | RESET_STREAM         | {{frame-reset-stream}}         | __01    |
+| 0x05        | STOP_SENDING         | {{frame-stop-sending}}         | __01    |
+| 0x06        | CRYPTO               | {{frame-crypto}}               | IH_1    |
+| 0x07        | NEW_TOKEN            | {{frame-new-token}}            | ___1    |
+| 0x08 - 0x0f | STREAM               | {{frame-stream}}               | __01    |
+| 0x10        | MAX_DATA             | {{frame-max-data}}             | __01    |
+| 0x11        | MAX_STREAM_DATA      | {{frame-max-stream-data}}      | __01    |
+| 0x12 - 0x13 | MAX_STREAMS          | {{frame-max-streams}}          | __01    |
+| 0x14        | DATA_BLOCKED         | {{frame-data-blocked}}         | __01    |
+| 0x15        | STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED  | {{frame-stream-data-blocked}}  | __01    |
+| 0x16 - 0x17 | STREAMS_BLOCKED      | {{frame-streams-blocked}}      | __01    |
+| 0x18        | NEW_CONNECTION_ID    | {{frame-new-connection-id}}    | __01    |
+| 0x19        | RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID | {{frame-retire-connection-id}} | __01    |
+| 0x1a        | PATH_CHALLENGE       | {{frame-path-challenge}}       | __01    |
+| 0x1b        | PATH_RESPONSE        | {{frame-path-response}}        | __01    |
+| 0x1c - 0x1d | CONNECTION_CLOSE     | {{frame-connection-close}}     | IH_1*   |

We'll need to add HANDHAKE_DONE here once #3145 is merged.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +| 0x04        | RESET_STREAM         | {{frame-reset-stream}}         | __01    |
+| 0x05        | STOP_SENDING         | {{frame-stop-sending}}         | __01    |
+| 0x06        | CRYPTO               | {{frame-crypto}}               | IH_1    |
+| 0x07        | NEW_TOKEN            | {{frame-new-token}}            | ___1    |
+| 0x08 - 0x0f | STREAM               | {{frame-stream}}               | __01    |
+| 0x10        | MAX_DATA             | {{frame-max-data}}             | __01    |
+| 0x11        | MAX_STREAM_DATA      | {{frame-max-stream-data}}      | __01    |
+| 0x12 - 0x13 | MAX_STREAMS          | {{frame-max-streams}}          | __01    |
+| 0x14        | DATA_BLOCKED         | {{frame-data-blocked}}         | __01    |
+| 0x15        | STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED  | {{frame-stream-data-blocked}}  | __01    |
+| 0x16 - 0x17 | STREAMS_BLOCKED      | {{frame-streams-blocked}}      | __01    |
+| 0x18        | NEW_CONNECTION_ID    | {{frame-new-connection-id}}    | __01    |
+| 0x19        | RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID | {{frame-retire-connection-id}} | __01    |
+| 0x1a        | PATH_CHALLENGE       | {{frame-path-challenge}}       | __01    |
+| 0x1b        | PATH_RESPONSE        | {{frame-path-response}}        | __01    |
+| 0x1c - 0x1d | CONNECTION_CLOSE     | {{frame-connection-close}}     | IH_1*   |

I'll send you another PR. I'm merging this now, but I can help out that much.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Dec 11 20:15:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A991120090 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:15:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nYznBdwTLyPU for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7E03120059 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-6349a71.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6349a71.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.20]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C409605FC for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:15:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576124101; bh=eKh8Zf4lkb0oiG45iKmKnTa1DzWPijiL6No5kDuWC/w=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wM2Ro2D5hDLZSPsbyVwiV64t4s8bm2BCDQUv+AigA2hWlc5+VRNgd5GJUA4+MLZpH aCBDOlbCdg4wzvOwf3GK6+0jYnz+FPPYN2raCQItQiS/PA8uQpiYfDVrHIkOQm9xS2 nLJ4CIow40sksrLa1tvMURTMWqU6Iu3UTizqFk2E= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:15:01 -0800 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Contributors for -transport and -tls (#3283) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df1bec511da2_514f3f86448cd96c2200a0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 04:15:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df1bec511da2_514f3f86448cd96c2200a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable kazuho commented on this pull request.=0D =0D =0D =0D > # Contributors=0D {:numbered=3D"false"}=0D =0D -Ryan Hamilton was originally an author of this specification.=0D +The IETF QUIC Working Group received an enormous amount of support from = many=0D +people. 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=0D= = ----==_mimepart_5df1bec511da2_514f3f86448cd96c2200a0-- From nobody Wed Dec 11 20:25:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A1A120090 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:25:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O75leFyeZd9r for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:25:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0992120059 for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:25:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-3a0df0f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.92]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1620FC602DF for ; Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:25:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576124749; bh=eN6LKUpi0ASwXWqvd/4tbITR/6+eY81F+iXoKQ8iA2Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RZqlIbsDXfFdjiqllT11qPlY2GstbapQ6eq00R/BGvv4rUhO1BrRv9HcomTU4UbXg 95qyBRVz8hjH4W02BFG3IK4HzJykGWW3pZPJvtv5mAtQHdRF0+RAZLHrwcfEHWTmUg dtqsT9uyL/QSZpKky8J++prigW/EtjUA0+OsEIww= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 20:25:49 -0800 From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameter ID and length varint (#3294) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df1c14d6864_20f03fce448cd960195774"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 04:25:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df1c14d6864_20f03fce448cd960195774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In addition to the points that @nibanks mentioned, there's another advantage of defining our own format for transport parameters: - We can require the list to be ordered by parameter ID (I've suggested this before somewhere, but #3169 doesn't yet incorporate this suggestion). This would make the detection of duplicate parameters (which is now just a SHOULD due to the computational complexity) trivial, and would allow us to turn the SHOULD into a MUST. Furthermore, it reduces the profiling surface exposed by a QUIC implementation: I would assume that today it's probably possible to identify a QUIC implementation just by looking at the order of the transport parameters it sends. @kazuho > I see that some people are arguing that the encoding can be different based on the view that TP belongs to QUIC. I dispute that. We deliberately decided to mix crypto handshake and transport negotiation in QUIC. TP is a cross-layer thing that is exchanged during the TLS handshake. I disagree with this statement. The reason we're putting transport parameters into the TLS handshake is because they're sent in Initial and that's basically the only way we can detect a modification by an on-path attacker. By putting them into the TLS handshake they become part of the transcript and therefore prevents this attack. If there was a way to send transport parameters in encrypted packets, there would be no reason not to define a QUIC SETTINGS frame for them. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3294#issuecomment-564844048 ----==_mimepart_5df1c14d6864_20f03fce448cd960195774 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In addition to the points that @nibanks mentioned, there's another advantage of defining our own format for transport parameters:

  • We can require the list to be ordered by parameter ID (I've suggested this before somewhere, but #3169 doesn't yet incorporate this suggestion).

This would make the detection of duplicate parameters (which is now just a SHOULD due to the computational complexity) trivial, and would allow us to turn the SHOULD into a MUST. Furthermore, it reduces the profiling surface exposed by a QUIC implementation: I would assume that today it's probably possible to identify a QUIC implementation just by looking at the order of the transport parameters it sends.

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I see that some people are arguing that the encoding can be different based on the view that TP belongs to QUIC. I dispute that. We deliberately decided to mix crypto handshake and transport negotiation in QUIC. TP is a cross-layer thing that is exchanged during the TLS handshake.

I disagree with this statement. The reason we're putting transport parameters into the TLS handshake is because they're sent in Initial and that's basically the only way we can detect a modification by an on-path attacker. By putting them into the TLS handshake they become part of the transcript and therefore prevents this attack.
If there was a way to send transport parameters in encrypted packets, there would be no reason not to define a QUIC SETTINGS frame for them.

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Well, if you have only a small amount of buffers (embedded device), and you RTX without freeing up the original TX (i.e., you con't declare it lost), you end up of of buffers pretty quickly.

Since anti-deadlock is only done during the handshake, there really isn't anything to undo?

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  # Contributors
 {:numbered="false"}
 
-Ryan Hamilton was originally an author of this specification.
+The IETF QUIC Working Group received an enormous amount of support from many
+people. The following people provided substantive contributions:
+Adam Langley,
+Alessandro Ghedini,
+Christian Huitema,
+Christopher Wood,
+David Schinazi,
+Dragana Damjanovic,
+Eric Rescorla,
+Ian Swett,
+Jana Iyengar,
+<u format="char-ascii" ascii="Kazuho Oku">?</u>,

Done. I'm just waiting on a functional xml2rfc release now.

@tatsuhiro-t would you mind sharing your preferred name?

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@tatsuhiro-t commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  # Contributors
 {:numbered="false"}
 
-Ryan Hamilton was originally an author of this specification.
+The IETF QUIC Working Group received an enormous amount of support from many
+people. The following people provided substantive contributions:
+Adam Langley,
+Alessandro Ghedini,
+Christian Huitema,
+Christopher Wood,
+David Schinazi,
+Dragana Damjanovic,
+Eric Rescorla,
+Ian Swett,
+Jana Iyengar,
+<u format="char-ascii" ascii="Kazuho Oku">?</u>,

I'm just ok with "Tatsuhiro Tsujikawa" as is. Thank you.

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I'm not sure what you're buffering model is, but I'd expect a RTX to only create a small amount of extra metadata, not a copy of the entire packet. How you do it depends upon whether you retransmit the payload of the original packet without changing it or use another approach, but it's intended to be low cost.

Is your concern on the client side or the server?

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We deliberately decided to mix crypto handshake and transport negotiation in QUIC. TP is a cross-layer thing that is exchanged during the TLS handshake.

I'm ambivalent about this assertion. When we had a section on requirements for crypto handshake protocols, one of the requirements was to carry and authenticate the provided opaque blob. Using a TLS extension was then the TLS incarnation of that requirement.

Since then, we've decided this version is TLS-only and future versions can figure things out for themselves. From that choice, we've opted to integrate packet types and encryption with the TLS record layer and key schedule for this version. I don't agree that this is an area we've deliberately decided to mix layers, but I do agree that we could reasonably make that choice. Clearly your implementation has, regardless, and I don't see that as a bad choice.

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In relation to the version negotiation draft, it is a requirement that a server is capable of processing older still popular versions of the Initial packet. If some versions are very TLS specific and some are not, this leads to complexity even if on the surface, some implementations might finder it simpler to leverage TLS tooling for a specific version.

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If there is a stream-level error within the transport, that results in a connection level error.

I understand the rationale here, but I think it's going to lead to some difficult to diagnose behavior.

Here's a concrete example: Consider a garbage collected language where the QuicStream class represents a QUIC stream. The user acquires a QuicStream instance, does some sends and receives, and neglects to properly shutdown the QuicStream. The QuicStream instance will eventually be collected, which will cause the entire connection to be killed.

Note that this is a programming error -- the user failed to shutdown the stream properly -- but it's a very common programming error. Ideally, it should be straightforward to diagnose. Killing the entire connection makes this rather hard to diagnose. Terminating the stream with a well-known error code like "INTERNAL_ERROR" or "UNKNOWN" or similar is much easier to diagnose.

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I don't see how that example would cause the entire connection to be killed. Either the collector arrives so late that the connection is already dead, or it will close the stream at that point, otherwise the stream just stay open, unless the application protocol (not transport), at the other end decides something is wrong and takes action. Now, it could happen that the entire connection blocks on flow control due to leaking streams, but then that would be an observable event and one could start to suspect leaking streams. Notably, BLOCKED frames would be sent.

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Another programming error could be sending data on a stream that is already closed, and that could in fact take down the entire connection. However, in that case the local transport API ought to raise an error code towards the application rather than sending data on an invalid state, and if it does so anyway, the implementation is bad and closing the connection is the right thing to do, since the peer has nothing to work with. Still, the error can be supported by an error string explaining in more detail why the connection was closed, especially in debug deployments.

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----==_mimepart_5df2a630df3b7_7b173fe0490cd960384462-- From nobody Thu Dec 12 12:44:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AD0120088 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 12:44:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U-_koPJCNSRp for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 12:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FC98120024 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 12:44:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-28f8021.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-28f8021.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.98]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C99F02C0EC7 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 12:44:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576183471; bh=yexjFIj6dTMLqpjqA3APt4q0nvqIjfNrg0D84qaUdsw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hoOjPo3Gr1XvzMCoGEWGYED4Y0nrGroa/n/GN8ZEeBMRoF637lYFvX4UdQjMtkqcN iWOFXxoHxBm5kASZuNdDVGW6vDnZK8pf3LId92AGTvGUWUt1he7nlKf735dqJh72yC 5ph3eVLYdd5XpPMOyVpkeW2F7xIx4SLznpAp2nR8= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 12:44:31 -0800 From: Geoff Kizer Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the Transport to Stop/Reset a Stream? (#3291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df2a6afba875_58673fafa2acd96031955d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: geoffkizer X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 20:44:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df2a6afba875_58673fafa2acd96031955d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > otherwise the stream just stay open Yes, the library could choose to just leave the stream open and abandoned in this case. I'd argue that this is worse behavior than killing the connection. Better to fail fast than to slowly leak to death. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3291#issuecomment-565178845 ----==_mimepart_5df2a6afba875_58673fafa2acd96031955d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

otherwise the stream just stay open

Yes, the library could choose to just leave the stream open and abandoned in this case. I'd argue that this is worse behavior than killing the connection. Better to fail fast than to slowly leak to death.

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The library cannot close the stream without information from the application code. That would happen via explicit calls, or in the garbage collectors finalizer. Of course, an transport library can do strange things such as automatically close streams if it is running low, or have its own internal garbage collector to sweep inactive streams, but that is not a library that I go anywhere near.

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----==_mimepart_5df2a76c4f4fb_52623ff5a1acd95c296792-- From nobody Thu Dec 12 12:48:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12AB1200BA for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 12:48:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PxG0cGubApah for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 12:48:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2CF4120024 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 12:48:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6B06A04D2 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 12:48:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576183708; bh=Dexh7MmV9xuTvTtXVDGErUpMUbRtRdoRzMbUhmGMbI8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=scTJHvK/AhCgwwB2Sw4c6i3rnR+g8wco/DakzD+qT+WmtzeUcDxCeSd52x1ao9Y13 af4cDOwqGvIMURm4fRsaiDUbrpKLJWrLkyeZ0uONRNxxqkDG5h98hjFVWDI6/eazT/ dzN/fCQpe8qmpO2NK8xXrIRgQF0l5Bnbu4OrgDcI= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 12:48:28 -0800 From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the Transport to Stop/Reset a Stream? (#3291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df2a79c3d751_5a8b3fe8ce8cd95c1913a8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 20:48:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df2a79c3d751_5a8b3fe8ce8cd95c1913a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having a stream open and idle is not in any way an "error". Think of HTTP hanging GETs for example. If a transport killed and open stream which just hasn't sent or received any data in a while that would be a potential footgun. (Of course if a transport REALLY REALLY wanted to kill streams it could just require the application's "internal error code" to be passed in along with the application's ALPN string.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3291#issuecomment-565180216 ----==_mimepart_5df2a79c3d751_5a8b3fe8ce8cd95c1913a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Having a stream open and idle is not in any way an "error". Think of HTTP hanging GETs for example. If a transport killed and open stream which just hasn't sent or received any data in a while that would be a potential footgun.

(Of course if a transport REALLY REALLY wanted to kill streams it could just require the application's "internal error code" to be passed in along with the application's ALPN string.)

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Having a stream open and idle is not in any way an "error".

The case I'm describing here is not simply an idle stream. It's a stream that is no longer accessible by the user. Without intervention, it will simply never perform any further action and never terminate. This is user error.

(Of course if a transport REALLY REALLY wanted to kill streams it could just require the application's "internal error code" to be passed in along with the application's ALPN string.)

Yes, that's a possibility. But it seems rather strange to require passing an error code that is only needed when you write incorrect code.

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That is what finalizers do. You cannot know that a stream is unreachable before the garbage collector decides that that is the case.

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That is what finalizers do. You cannot know that a stream is unreachable before the garbage collector decides that that is the case

Yes, that's exactly what I'm describing here. The object is being collected and the finalizer is running.

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The finalizer is application specific code. Or, it could be library code, but then it is above the transport layer, for example a HTTP/3 library. All the transport layer sees is a call to close the stream whether it is explicit or via a fixed or customizable finalizer call.

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The finalizer isn't application specific code. It's just the finalizer for the QuicStream object, that represents the QUIC stream itself.

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If you wan't debug facilities in the QUIC Stream library, you add that information either when you create the stream, or you provide a default application level error code that says "leaked stream". It is still outside the transport layer.

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(Of course if a transport REALLY REALLY wanted to kill streams it could just require the application's "internal error code" to be passed in along with the application's ALPN string.)

Yes, that's a possibility. But it seems rather strange to require passing an error code that is only needed when you write incorrect code.

It seems even stranger to me to change the protocol in a way that's only needed when you write incorrect code.

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----==_mimepart_5df2af79a1586_3b453fe9daacd95c894c6-- From nobody Thu Dec 12 13:23:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07D2120121 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:23:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LRqxXc8MUWQh for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41B7B120123 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.84]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC3FC60B3C for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:23:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576185818; bh=8n144y8SKdxP2KSrpKh/NpP36pgNbrSXC3VuYCWDyek=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wWNL/0y0hcJYOYl59AaGWmMRAfOdIYDazaDcqzOiYLWKXqNh84VSL06mSovslmV3+ uTdljBZAviMCduRkkvleSFQhh19dwEhO9xSdLEyqR9a6clo5qO5frZC8Nk8493PToD U1rC1NFcU9WgGk2Wy3MYPpRMWk0pZ0l3C0z/cFVs= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:23:38 -0800 From: Geoff Kizer Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the Transport to Stop/Reset a Stream? (#3291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df2afda4c2b6_8e83f9f676cd964100286"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: geoffkizer X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 21:23:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df2afda4c2b6_8e83f9f676cd964100286 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It is still outside the transport layer. The point I'm trying to make here is that the transport layer can detect that a stream is no longer usable because the object that represents it has been garbage collected. This is a *good thing*, because it helps detect and prevent leaks. The problem is that the transport layer can't really do anything except kill the connection, which makes it more difficult to diagnose what caused the problem. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3291#issuecomment-565192856 ----==_mimepart_5df2afda4c2b6_8e83f9f676cd964100286 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It is still outside the transport layer.

The point I'm trying to make here is that the transport layer can detect that a stream is no longer usable because the object that represents it has been garbage collected.

This is a good thing, because it helps detect and prevent leaks.

The problem is that the transport layer can't really do anything except kill the connection, which makes it more difficult to diagnose what caused the problem.

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----==_mimepart_5df2afda4c2b6_8e83f9f676cd964100286-- From nobody Thu Dec 12 13:27:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BA8120142 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:27:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QNk5hLkI8PEC for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:27:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33D8E120121 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:27:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:27:21 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576186041; bh=SjJv39hFmyI8Ov5LEuahevWIRCFEuCN1Zo1eTQWazzo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=g8WbRrsqBv1DskvgfbtY6Pr/SolUS79cvH7C6V+py90s3TqeqUogH4kCK29PvOYRO GP8Fn9lD7lEZ+Y+QDgSW3q6rxU9yI2yO0DXlYLqVP1eYLkNz5Y/Ka6A4wADGqLWeeU llnSefwQgShWUvVS0e0LZ4wDtaHJun75vLyNuo3o= From: Geoff Kizer Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the Transport to Stop/Reset a Stream? (#3291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df2b0b963f4a_36e53fcb514cd9646666d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: geoffkizer X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 21:27:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df2b0b963f4a_36e53fcb514cd9646666d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > It seems even stranger to me to change the protocol in a way that's only needed when you write incorrect code. Well, incorrect code happens. Bugs happen. I assume pretty much every app protocol is going to define some error code like INTERNAL_ERROR that basically means "something bad happened". The only change I'm suggesting is that we define a universal, non-app-specific error code for INTERNAL_ERROR, because this allows that code to be used in certain circumstances where it's hard or impossible to figure out how to represent INTERNAL_ERROR in an app-specific way. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3291#issuecomment-565194218 ----==_mimepart_5df2b0b963f4a_36e53fcb514cd9646666d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It seems even stranger to me to change the protocol in a way that's only needed when you write incorrect code.

Well, incorrect code happens. Bugs happen. I assume pretty much every app protocol is going to define some error code like INTERNAL_ERROR that basically means "something bad happened".

The only change I'm suggesting is that we define a universal, non-app-specific error code for INTERNAL_ERROR, because this allows that code to be used in certain circumstances where it's hard or impossible to figure out how to represent INTERNAL_ERROR in an app-specific way.

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----==_mimepart_5df2b0b963f4a_36e53fcb514cd9646666d-- From nobody Thu Dec 12 13:37:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C824E120024 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:37:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rYD4PsqFtATs for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:37:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30859120142 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:37:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C3E6A1111 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:37:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576186666; bh=gp+jrUtsTwjAX3kQz9gX34QBvTITuXfVlwaz0QMoBJ4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=e83pnJD0NVmW7js31cKsCLVLzoGkrwTxG/NAV8+IqwMWBOsNCn1qtBKvlSod1zpZB 9J54SJ6mn37Yay/4hvqhZL17TFmGyAEFvxTFae96nCfjj3gayuPBrt3hfW0Txh8TTc QzSdGblEkjaqMKe4ZZutrkZTd8zCcHAaGNV10hdw= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:37:46 -0800 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the Transport to Stop/Reset a Stream? (#3291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df2b32a69956_20d3ff82dccd96c114590"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 21:37:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df2b32a69956_20d3ff82dccd96c114590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The suggestion runs the wrong way against the protocol design. There is no universal application error code space, each application mapping defines their own. So either you send a CONNECTION_CLOSE with transport error code 0x1 or you have to send an application specific-error code in CONNECTION_CLOSE, STOP_SENDING or RESET_STREAM. One might want to recommend or mandate that each application error space has an INTERNAL error but that seems overly prescriptive to be in the core transport doc -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3291#issuecomment-565198091 ----==_mimepart_5df2b32a69956_20d3ff82dccd96c114590 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The suggestion runs the wrong way against the protocol design. There is no universal application error code space, each application mapping defines their own. So either you send a CONNECTION_CLOSE with transport error code 0x1 or you have to send an application specific-error code in CONNECTION_CLOSE, STOP_SENDING or RESET_STREAM. One might want to recommend or mandate that each application error space has an INTERNAL error but that seems overly prescriptive to be in the core transport doc

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----==_mimepart_5df2b32a69956_20d3ff82dccd96c114590-- From nobody Thu Dec 12 13:50:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48FC212012C for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:50:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kk9YdQLAR_xL for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:50:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B24FD120024 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:50:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 13:50:26 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576187426; bh=C2kiN3VBohN+j7KbL/XfpaOFApUMpqPpu4H9f3QW3fw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zgKt7+4XvPF0pMQVADKcLSDdjZnnSpJ9EtLCSd3vn3B6YeJ2i9EVRmzXf+tcWjZ8l AvifOr3jyXLFCG2eSnswtKgyf6UtR4RVpfXxkln1MNwdRPedMOPYeam/+JUddpVmlh IRbPdU4zoFOYH5TmGcpaoa9SBij8zwYS1pi7A/b8= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the Transport to Stop/Reset a Stream? (#3291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df2b62237b0_61193f99284cd960212359"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 21:50:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df2b62237b0_61193f99284cd960212359 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I also disagree that a default error code is the way to go, but the only solution that leaves is close the entire connection with a transport error code (INTERNAL_ERROR probably). As @geoffkizer says, this is is going to be a very common bug for app developers. They might forget to drain the read pipe or completely close the write pipe. Having that result in the entire connection being torn down is going to be very confusing for developers to debug/diagnose. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3291#issuecomment-565202839 ----==_mimepart_5df2b62237b0_61193f99284cd960212359 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I also disagree that a default error code is the way to go, but the only solution that leaves is close the entire connection with a transport error code (INTERNAL_ERROR probably). As @geoffkizer says, this is is going to be a very common bug for app developers. They might forget to drain the read pipe or completely close the write pipe. Having that result in the entire connection being torn down is going to be very confusing for developers to debug/diagnose.

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The user should not be using a QUIC transport primitive to perform application behaviour. If they can't or don't want to shim it with an application mapping then this is a class of bug that will exist.

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Right.

I agree that it is beneficial to have rich set of information being given to the application for diagnosing issues. That's an internal API design issue.

If that information should be exposed to the peer is a different point, which has security implications too. We already have the transport-level error code, and also a field to hold arbitrary string that can be used for explaining the cause. I do not think we need more than that.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  # Contributors
 {:numbered="false"}
 
-Ryan Hamilton was originally an author of this specification.
+The IETF QUIC Working Group received an enormous amount of support from many
+people. The following people provided substantive contributions:
+Adam Langley,
+Alessandro Ghedini,
+Christian Huitema,
+Christopher Wood,
+David Schinazi,
+Dragana Damjanovic,
+Eric Rescorla,
+Ian Swett,
+Jana Iyengar,
+<u format="char-ascii" ascii="Kazuho Oku">?</u>,

I'll do that. Thanks.

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I will observe that the garbage-collected stream object can a) do nothing and leave the stream hanging, b) close the stream, or c) call on some help to decide what to use with RESET_STREAM or STOP_SENDING or both. I think that (a) is likely the default. The local implementation drops state and carries on. The other side might be left hanging, but that is - as much as anything else - the only clear bit of application intent you might infer from what happened.

Now, if you want to ensure that the problem is noticed and acted upon, local signals might be the next step. But if the other side needs to know, then terminating the connection will get the problem noticed.

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----==_mimepart_5df2ea20a5793_5b453ff91c6cd964109039-- From nobody Thu Dec 12 19:54:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362AE12018B for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 19:54:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xrjGIiVhRlt3 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 19:54:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B09EE1200F6 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 19:54:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6b40fdd.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.64]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75CF96056F for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 19:54:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576209290; bh=xV+OlCzgTViTZmr2HCxGMQe6J07NJK+7+HC8lwRd7wU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PpKVVu22C2uNMOyxZpksChOWMJKDLjNhZ016TBfFAqW7zOlvmAhM+j5OK2S2DFfws s3j7o0Fcey3MaaSJnsgYlApgVv1PSL8sJSuhgB9AyosXK/CQHy7+gRqsv6P9RGTXMA rS1BYZTbSQXbRjmCnKtb60rHaU78Roin+SIu9OE0= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 19:54:50 -0800 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Forwarding upstream error to downstream (#3300) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df30b8ac851e_305c3fa3c8ecd9605684f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 03:54:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df30b8ac851e_305c3fa3c8ecd9605684f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In HTTP/2, it has been easy for a proxy to forward upstream errors to client. When the upstream abruptly closes a H1 connection (i.e., closed before serving the correct number of bytes as suggested by the content-length header, or before trailers when chunked encoding is used), the HTTP/2 terminator could forward all the content that it received from upstream, then send an RST_STREAM frame. Because HTTP/2 uses TCP, which guarantees the transmission order, the client receives the bytes that the origin has sent, before receiving a reset. In contrast, HTTP/3 does not have such guarantee. When a HTTP/3 proxy resets a request stream mid-response, the QUIC stack is allowed to cease transmitting data. Depending on when the HTTP/3 proxy receives input from upstream, and depending on how the responses are prioritized, there is fair chance that the HTTP/3 proxy would be resetting the request stream with HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELED, without sending any response at all. Are we fine with this behavior change? We could argue that the root cause is the upstream failing to send the correct response. But the change of the failure mode might be an issue, because it would worsen the user-experience when the upstream misbehaves. For example, when an upstream server abruptly terminates the transfer of a JPEG image, a user connected through an HTTP/2 proxy would receive a partial image, whereas a user connected through an HTTP/3 proxy would see nothing (due to the reasons stated above). Related to: #2426 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3300 ----==_mimepart_5df30b8ac851e_305c3fa3c8ecd9605684f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In HTTP/2, it has been easy for a proxy to forward upstream errors to client.

When the upstream abruptly closes a H1 connection (i.e., closed before serving the correct number of bytes as suggested by the content-length header, or before trailers when chunked encoding is used), the HTTP/2 terminator could forward all the content that it received from upstream, then send an RST_STREAM frame. Because HTTP/2 uses TCP, which guarantees the transmission order, the client receives the bytes that the origin has sent, before receiving a reset.

In contrast, HTTP/3 does not have such guarantee. When a HTTP/3 proxy resets a request stream mid-response, the QUIC stack is allowed to cease transmitting data. Depending on when the HTTP/3 proxy receives input from upstream, and depending on how the responses are prioritized, there is fair chance that the HTTP/3 proxy would be resetting the request stream with HTTP_REQUEST_CANCELED, without sending any response at all.

Are we fine with this behavior change?

We could argue that the root cause is the upstream failing to send the correct response. But the change of the failure mode might be an issue, because it would worsen the user-experience when the upstream misbehaves. For example, when an upstream server abruptly terminates the transfer of a JPEG image, a user connected through an HTTP/2 proxy would receive a partial image, whereas a user connected through an HTTP/3 proxy would see nothing (due to the reasons stated above).

Related to: #2426

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PS. Note that HTTP expects intermediaries to forward these errors. If an intermediary erases this error, downstream might cache and reuse the corrupt response.

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----==_mimepart_5df317f8dd63c_3c8e3fbe15ccd964320ba-- From nobody Thu Dec 12 23:06:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6171200F7 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 23:06:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9mMHJwsnAK8c for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 23:06:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FA7C1200EF for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 23:06:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.55]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204306A018A for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2019 23:06:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576220789; bh=FOxERPRE2RDHyaGkVmqDqjNLH/gC2VWddOGAq1A5dSY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OVirPV3Eka8WjrVmOdiiTInIl+KYhGXA+Y+hKFmmvi3URFj2kBjPFxpKYhmdPF9BN +7/+0Ayw0B1rmCrVeHigrGamKUjAAB2Cuf/lhzh+NiVNQYprzOOBk10kYqo5UB+B/A vAVmpFdX5o8G8xiiue3LAwKkOVDW8c8wGq5jY1go= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 23:06:29 -0800 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DetectLostPackets not called in anti-deadlock case (#3298) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df338751143a_466c3fc2efecd9601321ec"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 07:06:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df338751143a_466c3fc2efecd9601321ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since data is normally only RTX'ed after having been declared lost, I have (maybe prematurely) optimized for this case. So a series of RTXs without any incoming ACK will in fact occupy multiple buffers. Maybe I just need to deal with this in my implementation and it doesn't require spec changes... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3298#issuecomment-565327912 ----==_mimepart_5df338751143a_466c3fc2efecd9601321ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Since data is normally only RTX'ed after having been declared lost, I have (maybe prematurely) optimized for this case. So a series of RTXs without any incoming ACK will in fact occupy multiple buffers.

Maybe I just need to deal with this in my implementation and it doesn't require spec changes...

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@nharper commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1746,7 +1747,8 @@ validate a client address.  Tokens are not integrated into the cryptographic
 handshake and so they are not authenticated.  For instance, a client might be
 able to reuse a token.  To avoid attacks that exploit this property, a server
 can limit its use of tokens to only the information needed to validate client
-addresses.
+addresses.  A server MUST NOT require the client to correlate any additional
+information with a token (e.g. a NewSessionTicket).

Sorry for the delay. The new paragraph (framed as client considerations) sounds like a better way to describe this point. I've added a version of that paragraph and rebased this PR. (There was a merge conflict for the change above.)

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Dec 13 18:26:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5E01200D8 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 18:26:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qyY8WcyV4h5r for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 18:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AA05120019 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 18:26:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.84]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5486A0211 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 2019 18:26:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576290373; bh=xs7WbLCpHIX9Mrjxm315FZ5cYzg7Uk6LIR+z+rBruuQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OYBgMRDaReA1fBKpCaKoH/PH47rgTaDfVm7UB6fQtiszMib5lA9MxZWDRYs72Dx3k O+zjxx2rFl7yxlt7XkwTI7Mro2e2PPWYgtkMt6JYNxfitpU7fthg4srf0IJ2TmZa5I AMtslOL+kWrNWW31rn7YbuEfKlyw5C9crtPOWJfU= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2019 18:26:13 -0800 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add pacing note to flow control and other edits (#3301) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df448457c6ca_23ae3f9cd72cd96421819d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2019 02:26:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df448457c6ca_23ae3f9cd72cd96421819d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Addresses feedback from - @gorryfair, to add a note about pacing to handle bursts resulting from flow control credit; - @kazuho, that advice on when to send *_DATA frames (at least 2 RTTs before sender is blocked) is too specific. I've also done some editorializing to fix flow. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3301 -- Commit Summary -- * add note on pacing and editorialze -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (55) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3301.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3301.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3301 ----==_mimepart_5df448457c6ca_23ae3f9cd72cd96421819d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Addresses feedback from

  • @gorryfair, to add a note about pacing to handle bursts resulting from flow control credit;
  • @kazuho, that advice on when to send *_DATA frames (at least 2 RTTs before sender is blocked) is too specific.

I've also done some editorializing to fix flow.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3301

Commit Summary

  • add note on pacing and editorialze

File Changes

Patch Links:

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Is this the right place to discuss pacing? In my mind, we=E2=80=99re t= alking about different layers here. Bursty sending could happen due to ma= ny reasons, only one of them is due to increased flow control credit.

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I think we should discuss what to do in one place, but given the sort of traffic bursts that can arise if you happen to get this wrong, I am still keen to see a couple of sentences here that explain the pathology when a sender has cwnd and no credit, and then suddenly get lots of credit. We see the enormous burst, and it is REALLY not nice if you don't have a pacer to fix it (or figure out the receiver should have sent the credit earlier).

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[ci skip] From nobody Sat Dec 14 15:16:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A732B120059 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2019 15:16:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eRekjmqJrkOx for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2019 15:16:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F107120044 for ; Sat, 14 Dec 2019 15:16:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2019 15:16:52 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576365412; bh=E5E4ucVzNc7wGjdlsrNlNkEBMrLTft0J0cw9MCmuQo0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MiV+XKHyTE9jGtvx1nsCTeD9WPrT2S3qJvZ5RGuILBEEgs9ve1sL02M1QdXGMRQW8 jOrBnmgsegQsB5OvtKUvxX6BNY8997f0YnHDK6LWxtKpx/g6SVnge/rmUszmz4j324 xXR0cJDr+NPsMp83tMsUHTc129B3OziUqkExhFsI= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add pacing note to flow control and other edits (#3301) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df56d6465684_29393f974b8cd9684514ec"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2019 23:16:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df56d6465684_29393f974b8cd9684514ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @gorryfair: [Section 6.9](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html#section-6.9) in the recovery draft covers the general case of an under-utilized cwnd, which applies here. The same bursting can happen with a bursty app as well, but we've said it all in one place -- in that section of the recovery draft. I think that section could use some editing work (which I'll take on separately), but we've already said there that it applies to flow control. I think that ought to cover the pacing concern. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3301#issuecomment-565761543 ----==_mimepart_5df56d6465684_29393f974b8cd9684514ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@gorryfair: Section 6.9 in the recovery draft covers the general case of an under-utilized cwnd, which applies here. The same bursting can happen with a bursty app as well, but we've said it all in one place -- in that section of the recovery draft. I think that section could use some editing work (which I'll take on separately), but we've already said there that it applies to flow control. I think that ought to cover the pacing concern.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -833,11 +833,6 @@ implementations.  As an optimization, an endpoint could send frames related to
 flow control only when there are other frames to send or when a peer is blocked,
 ensuring that flow control does not cause extra packets to be sent.
 
-When a sender receives credit after being blocked, it might send a large amount
-of data in response. As is recommended in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}, implementations
-should pace this data to avoid sending it in a burst and causing short-term

I think this cross-reference is needed - people implementing flow control need to ensure this part is correctly implemented also.

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@MikeBishop I think I mostly agree with the observation.

Draft-12 essentially changed QUIC to a TLS record layer. QUIC now has four record types because that is what TLS 1.3 has. The key discards are designed based on how TLS 1.3 starts using new keys (i.e. handshake key is used by the server first, and the client is the last to use it).

And moreover, there is another instance we use uint16, in addition to TPs. That is through the use of HKDF-Expand-Label function of TLS.

QUIC uses HKDF-Expand-Label for deriving protection keys from traffic secrets generated by TLS. As the derivation and use of protection keys is specific to QUIC, we could have directly invoked the HKDF-Expand function defined in RFC 5869. But in status quo, QUIC uses HKDF-Expand-Label, defined in TLS 1.3, which has a uint16 field in the Label encoding.

To me, this looks like an example of encouraging code reuse, much like the use uint16 for encoding TP ID and lengths.

If our principle is going to be to minimize the interface between TLS and QUIC, we should consider changing the points I've stated above.

Or if our principle is to encourage (or leave room for) code reuse between TLS and QUIC, the encoding of TP IDs and lengths should be kept as-is, along with the use of HKDF-Expand-Label, how we drop keys, the use of four epochs ...

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----==_mimepart_5df6cf7771bab_51dc3f99bd0cd96010261de-- From nobody Sun Dec 15 17:04:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01DDA12009E for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 17:03:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PWmYus_wVS4L for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 17:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E1A412008F for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2019 17:03:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2019 17:03:55 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576458235; bh=FuBQFfbBXQEu3Y6WT1SZTnxQhnV8wjIV5ZAyyz1mSPs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rBgricQa8sExTOCBzemMHQ09uwxiPDzSjUK1U1TZtR4QjRaMTsHfu480PPfkhD8Io HZKr2K+xDcw9rAuNQot5eyNI+B0ZAbWHg4fJ8gmYysHn8emwOFKEP1gjIlaiwI+PVn t7gNlwXh8ZtRN0bqlP6C0pIKRwjRtFbpmee2y6cw= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameter ID and length varint (#3294) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df6d7fb5e72e_15243ffb5e6cd95c116547a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 01:03:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df6d7fb5e72e_15243ffb5e6cd95c116547a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The question here is to what extent we consider the TP encoding to be part of the QUIC stack as opposed to the TLS stack. One school treats the transport parameters as an opaque carrier of bits, leaning on the abstract interface we have defined between transport and TLS. The other says that implementation strategy might differ and the similarities with TLS can be exploited in some implementations. The parallel drawn to the KDF function TLS provides is clearer - at least in my mind - about this distinction. TLS provides a KDF in the form `KDF(secret, label, output_length)` that QUIC uses. We did at various points in the process consider modifications to that KDF, but the current form is very clear about leaving the KDF function unmodified. I think are more pertinent questions here is the relative cost change against the improvements that might be gained. The advantage of retaining the current form is that it can be more tightly integrated into a TLS stack. The advocates for change see the potential for removing a single instance of bespoke encoding from the QUIC stack, plus a modest reduction in handshake size. We've heard that at least one implementation would find changes to be disruptive. I might separately observe that disruption to an existing implementation is not a great motivation for opposing a change on its own, because we all knew the risks when we decided to build to a draft specification. If we were to make arguments from some principled basis, I would say that the bag of bits view holds: QUIC is responsible for constructing and consuming transport parameters as an opaque blob. But that's not really a useful basis for making a decision when there are more substantive matters at stake. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3294#issuecomment-565867776 ----==_mimepart_5df6d7fb5e72e_15243ffb5e6cd95c116547a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The question here is to what extent we consider the TP encoding to be part of the QUIC stack as opposed to the TLS stack. One school treats the transport parameters as an opaque carrier of bits, leaning on the abstract interface we have defined between transport and TLS. The other says that implementation strategy might differ and the similarities with TLS can be exploited in some implementations.

The parallel drawn to the KDF function TLS provides is clearer - at least in my mind - about this distinction. TLS provides a KDF in the form KDF(secret, label, output_length) that QUIC uses. We did at various points in the process consider modifications to that KDF, but the current form is very clear about leaving the KDF function unmodified.

I think are more pertinent questions here is the relative cost change against the improvements that might be gained. The advantage of retaining the current form is that it can be more tightly integrated into a TLS stack. The advocates for change see the potential for removing a single instance of bespoke encoding from the QUIC stack, plus a modest reduction in handshake size.

We've heard that at least one implementation would find changes to be disruptive. I might separately observe that disruption to an existing implementation is not a great motivation for opposing a change on its own, because we all knew the risks when we decided to build to a draft specification.

If we were to make arguments from some principled basis, I would say that the bag of bits view holds: QUIC is responsible for constructing and consuming transport parameters as an opaque blob. But that's not really a useful basis for making a decision when there are more substantive matters at stake.

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A stylistic change primarily. We've used the semi-colon form elsewhere.

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----==_mimepart_5df73e0e2a9c2_447c3f89c96cd96821386bb-- From nobody Mon Dec 16 02:22:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7370120170 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 02:22:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bdXFmJMPfSOQ for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 02:22:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A142F120144 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 02:22:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-cde56e0.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.25.52]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2DD8660A90 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 02:22:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576491741; bh=Bzw7Vq0ENd8V/t/42sp2mR9MvSwRLNoH4ORg3dk7EQQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pb6sQwPlpdwQCDpZmZBglAapuPLm2PZLZMEfdYCaZWGAUsgZuziIIefsR/zB+sAqy at4KfDqOYDg5J5Sf7w1cbWQ/S3D5by20bBuMs88fUPrXha92ClK2HgZs9JW+Nj/Jlw HaDrpfd99k2wMmeBtct43bT/SHjKzaYgvalp1PVM= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 02:22:21 -0800 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameter ID and length varint (#3294) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df75adde37fc_3d2a3fa9ca6cd9602226744"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 10:22:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df75adde37fc_3d2a3fa9ca6cd9602226744 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As to the opposing views: how likely is it that the majority of the=0D transport parameters would be the same for a QUIC version that does not=0D= rely on TLS, for example a version optimized for constrained IoT devices?= =0D =0D I=E2=80=99d argue that most parameters would be the same and further, tha= t it is=0D likely that a server would then have to deal with both a TLS version and = a=0D non-TLS version.=0D =0D In this light, coupling TP close to TLS appears sub-optimal.=0D =0D Mikkel=0D =0D On 16 December 2019 at 02.03.48, Martin Thomson (notifications@github.com= )=0D wrote:=0D =0D The question here is to what extent we consider the TP encoding to be par= t=0D of the QUIC stack as opposed to the TLS stack. One school treats the=0D transport parameters as an opaque carrier of bits, leaning on the abstrac= t=0D interface we have defined between transport and TLS. The other says that=0D= implementation strategy might differ and the similarities with TLS can be= =0D exploited in some implementations.=0D =0D The parallel drawn to the KDF function TLS provides is clearer - at least= =0D in my mind - about this distinction. TLS provides a KDF in the form KDF(s= ecret,=0D label, output_length) that QUIC uses. We did at various points in the=0D process consider modifications to that KDF, but the current form is very=0D= clear about leaving the KDF function unmodified.=0D =0D I think are more pertinent questions here is the relative cost change=0D against the improvements that might be gained. The advantage of retaining= =0D the current form is that it can be more tightly integrated into a TLS=0D stack. 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But that's not really a= =0D useful basis for making a decision when there are more substantive matter= s=0D at stake.=0D =0D =E2=80=94=0D You are receiving this because you commented.=0D Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub=0D ,=0D or unsubscribe=0D =0D .=0D =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3294#issuecomment-565997951= ----==_mimepart_5df75adde37fc_3d2a3fa9ca6cd9602226744 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As to the opposing views: how likely is it that the majority of the
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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5df75adde37fc_3d2a3fa9ca6cd9602226744-- From nobody Mon Dec 16 04:45:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C26012083F for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 04:45:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.383 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.383 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BEXlGBdfVhjT for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 04:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEEA11200B8 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 04:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.19.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA1466E04D8 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 04:45:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576500316; bh=Az9/lmvPE5QGzl7rLhPbJZS4laNpN1xsm78etjK6qXY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DGcrzAieIjIf3uzZ7auz1gqPNYthiCFfWrdy+1FnreVdmeyXtCfi0VsVPpBUfUD8p Q14KUCjbRXVXqEfxZCs6M20rZsNdIGpesRjVSHd47O0SpKM9PabJE2EWE1ZcKAByUn IwRnHt+sCIckJQlrO7eCCeD5qL39V01e5L252K5Y= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 04:45:16 -0800 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make transport parameter ID and length varint (#3294) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df77c5cbb1e6_55573fa9d0acd960207154"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 12:45:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df77c5cbb1e6_55573fa9d0acd960207154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mikkelfj As [I have stated previously](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3294#issuecomment-565863737), the design of QUIC is tied to TLS 1.3 in many ways, deeply enough that I do not think decoupling the encoding of TP would have practical difference on the amount of changes we need to make, when we are to support some other handshake mechanism. Not to mention that _if_ we are going to use something other than TLS is a hypothesis. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3294#issuecomment-566045844 ----==_mimepart_5df77c5cbb1e6_55573fa9d0acd960207154 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mikkelfj As I have stated previously, the design of QUIC is tied to TLS 1.3 in many ways, deeply enough that I do not think decoupling the encoding of TP would have practical difference on the amount of changes we need to make, when we are to support some other handshake mechanism. Not to mention that if we are going to use something other than TLS is a hypothesis.

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----==_mimepart_5df77c5cbb1e6_55573fa9d0acd960207154-- From nobody Mon Dec 16 08:01:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 003BC120020 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 08:01:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hKq7Hj_tSpQU for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 08:01:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 482FA12006D for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 08:01:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-943b171.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-943b171.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.22.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E51A006F for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 08:01:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576512073; bh=MRDwo90mWBjB3YbYIM78PpXgTfsg5KtdmRV1f0hLu50=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dkBIki1j1xL7hAl0g4jlv0sxEHXQwWAfthNDzhECjyf/csYRrUcK+RpzD/jwKbXCa BzzoM+DHu/ffcnQTm31szf8UMtf1+YSDYU0uXhWvk02FWxyLu6e9Rul1KYNmxj6neR 8D/PX+i5muROevvOLLjqXiRXqszdDYS7lOcp1BJI= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 08:01:13 -0800 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Ambiguous wording about error codes in HTTP/3 (#3276) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df7aa4916c83_20123fd3cc2cd96063220"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 16:01:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df7aa4916c83_20123fd3cc2cd96063220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1a/1b are two sides of the same coin. Because error codes are extensible, a future document might define a new error code, or might prescribe the use of an existing error code in a new circumstance. Therefore, the takeaway should be: - An error code the recipient knows in an situation where they expect it has understood semantics that the recipient can act on. - An unknown error code, or an error code in an unexpected situation, has semantics which the recipient does not understand and cannot act on. The statement here is that the second case is not a violation of the protocol by the peer; you know the stream (or connection) is closing even if you don't understand why. The admonition is to respond to the closure itself, not the unknown semantics of why it was closed. While I agree that both versions of the second case follow from Section 9, I think it's useful to mention them in the context of error handling as well. We've seen recently with HTTP/2 what happens when the possibility of extension values isn't mentioned/considered in the description of how the base-protocol pieces are to be handled. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3276#issuecomment-566123868 ----==_mimepart_5df7aa4916c83_20123fd3cc2cd96063220 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

1a/1b are two sides of the same coin. Because error codes are extensible, a future document might define a new error code, or might prescribe the use of an existing error code in a new circumstance. Therefore, the takeaway should be:

  • An error code the recipient knows in an situation where they expect it has understood semantics that the recipient can act on.
  • An unknown error code, or an error code in an unexpected situation, has semantics which the recipient does not understand and cannot act on.

The statement here is that the second case is not a violation of the protocol by the peer; you know the stream (or connection) is closing even if you don't understand why. The admonition is to respond to the closure itself, not the unknown semantics of why it was closed.

While I agree that both versions of the second case follow from Section 9, I think it's useful to mention them in the context of error handling as well. We've seen recently with HTTP/2 what happens when the possibility of extension values isn't mentioned/considered in the description of how the base-protocol pieces are to be handled.

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(#3275) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df7b1fcc31be_4c453fd1812cd96c229617"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 16:34:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df7b1fcc31be_4c453fd1812cd96c229617 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Nevertheless, the current design must have some rationale behind it, wh= ich I expect @MikeBishop to share with us on this thread.=0D =0D I think I've been adequately channeled in the meantime. =F0=9F=98=89=0D =0D As others have pointed out, this was a compromise that no one was thrille= d about, but was considered better than the status quo and no ingenious s= olution to all issues has yet presented itself. The solution space that = I see is:=0D =0D - **One request, one promise, one push.** H2-style, every push is promis= ed to one and only one request.=0D - **Multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames on different streams.** Old H3-style; w= astes some bytes repeating yourself, and now we have to talk about consis= tency between them:=0D - **Allowed to differ**; each promise separately contains the headers o= f the request, and if different requests would have garnered identical re= sponses, this is fine. (For example, pushing "empty list" for lots of su= bresources the client might have wanted to retrieve as part of an API.)=0D= - **Not allowed to differ**; client has to check that the headers are t= he same. What if they're not? How long does the client have to keep the= headers? Need it be the same bytes, or simply the same resulting header= set?=0D - **Headers sent once; DUPLICATE_PUSH frame.** This is the compromise we= landed on. It's true that this means the headers might not be available= at the point DUPLICATE_PUSH is received.=0D - **Headers sent once on push stream; DUPLICATE_PUSH becomes PUSH_PROMISE= .** Conceptually easier, but means headers are almost certainly not avai= lable at the point the promise is received. Means promised request can't= be delivered without enough stream credit to do the push itself.=0D =0D The idea of including a URI in DUPLICATE_PUSH is an interesting one, and = might reduce the amount of blocking clients need to do until the push req= uest is received. It also makes that last solution more palatable. Pres= umably, if the server is pushing a request for a URI, the odds that the r= equest will match what the client would have sent better be high.=0D =0D I don't personally believe this change is warranted in late stage, but I'= m willing to take an improvement the working group reaches consensus on.=0D= =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3275#issuecomment-566138148= ----==_mimepart_5df7b1fcc31be_4c453fd1812cd96c229617 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Nevertheless, the current design must have some rationale behind it, w= hich I expect @MikeBishop to share with us on this thread.

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I think I've been adequately channeled in the meantime. =F0=9F=98=89

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As others have pointed out, this was a compromise that no one was thri= lled about, but was considered better than the status quo and no ingeniou= s solution to all issues has yet presented itself. The solution space th= at I see is:

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    • Allowed to differ; each promise separately contains = the headers of the request, and if different requests would have garnered= identical responses, this is fine. (For example, pushing "empty list" f= or lots of subresources the client might have wanted to retrieve as part = of an API.)
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  • Headers sent once; DUPLICATE_PUSH frame. This is th= e compromise we landed on. It's true that this means the headers might n= ot be available at the point DUPLICATE_PUSH is received.
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  • Headers sent once on push stream; DUPLICATE_PUSH becomes PUSH= _PROMISE. Conceptually easier, but means headers are almost cer= tainly not available at the point the promise is received. Means promise= d request can't be delivered without enough stream credit to do the push = itself.
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The idea of including a URI in DUPLICATE_PUSH is an interesting one, a= nd might reduce the amount of blocking clients need to do until the push = request is received. It also makes that last solution more palatable. P= resumably, if the server is pushing a request for a URI, the odds that th= e request will match what the client would have sent better be high.

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I don't personally believe this change is warranted in late stage, but= I'm willing to take an improvement the working group reaches consensus o= n.

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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5df7b1fcc31be_4c453fd1812cd96c229617-- From nobody Mon Dec 16 08:42:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A894112081F for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 08:42:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cn-uZEBLQ3Mw for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 08:42:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 198741200B2 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 08:42:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2351EA01A1 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 08:42:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576514531; bh=TEXRVGtGC82FHzC6jJFMA16vPaqUQimXGsUEZKnwbcM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=V3SZ4o6Ob7AHRh9knQ4WDNnk1HmAdcbmJl55WWktJT4XeT66saqKoVn3H3yh0fBoS cw6V24Q2shIOo2nnbFAOeqOSLosakvthFFFg4oeeAXIg1ZIr+3a+ftLCrX+2fhIVIg OOEICbXvOqyUKdtWzOApANWvVG+5V1wYMdDf3jwU= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 08:42:11 -0800 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Forwarding upstream error mid-body to downstream (#3300) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df7b3e313984_43373ff4d5ecd95c181280"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 16:42:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df7b3e313984_43373ff4d5ecd95c181280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the TCP connection is closed with a reset, there's no guarantee how many bytes the intermediary has read from the kernel buffer before the reset is received, so I don't think the behavior is likely to be that different. If there's an error at the HTTP layer, then I think there would commonly be a change in what the client sees, but that seems like a buggy backend, so I'm not sure it's worth attempting to deal with more gracefully? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3300#issuecomment-566141520 ----==_mimepart_5df7b3e313984_43373ff4d5ecd95c181280 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If the TCP connection is closed with a reset, there's no guarantee how many bytes the intermediary has read from the kernel buffer before the reset is received, so I don't think the behavior is likely to be that different.

If there's an error at the HTTP layer, then I think there would commonly be a change in what the client sees, but that seems like a buggy backend, so I'm not sure it's worth attempting to deal with more gracefully?

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@ianswett's point is right: there's no guarantee what the proxy has read out of a connection that has received a TCP RST. Additionally, there's no guarantee that the H1 sender's pending data has been sent out of its TCP buffers yet either.

@kazuho: Do you think think this is somehow different?

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The user should not be using a QUIC transport primitive to perform application behaviour. If they can't or don't want to shim it with an application mapping then this is a class of bug that will exist.

I'm not sure what you're suggesting here. "The user" in this case is writing a client-server application that's talking over QUIC. They're using a managed code base that gives them QUIC streams, just like it would give them a TCP stream. What are you suggesting they should be doing instead?

I agree that this is kind of an awkward situation. I think the best solution probably is passing an error code to the connection constructor, at least under the assumption that you need to abruptly close the stream rather than considering it simply to have ended.

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----==_mimepart_5df8019eaddf3_606b3fbf156cd96490242-- From nobody Mon Dec 16 14:26:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70FBF120949 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 14:26:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PJVzyX8rIm5G for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 14:26:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A6B7120947 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 14:26:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 14:26:46 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576535206; bh=iZCgZYX/vh7TzjfIFG/vi2G0sYWW5YnAXsE2VRcR1WY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JVZiq9cbM4aRWc92/KfZj1JSJbQe+WwraAoKT1jpRCEhjhfZt3Uxu1487F1izxED6 7+2mXnGf48hYujGPuylM+AJEuix+2e6ZQ0/A39BzaJHSGFfOq7UoXUpZwulS75vinb xqbXyfBR8TvU+6QRJeUZ5kSQTumRwDC8JyawtZ9U= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow the Transport to Stop/Reset a Stream? (#3291) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df804a67a8ac_d8d3fe2de0cd9641674d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 22:26:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df804a67a8ac_d8d3fe2de0cd9641674d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was attempting to say that because QUIC provides no hand holding when it comes to streams, then using streams for an application without defining any application-level mapping (especially around the handling of errors) seems like an odd design choice. Especially given that you have to negotiate _some application_ when completing a handshake. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3291#issuecomment-566274376 ----==_mimepart_5df804a67a8ac_d8d3fe2de0cd9641674d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I was attempting to say that because QUIC provides no hand holding when it comes to streams, then using streams for an application without defining any application-level mapping (especially around the handling of errors) seems like an odd design choice. Especially given that you have to negotiate some application when completing a handshake.

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----==_mimepart_5df804a67a8ac_d8d3fe2de0cd9641674d-- From nobody Mon Dec 16 16:02:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC84120043 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 16:02:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mH7CzvpVkltt for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 16:02:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23A6712002E for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 16:02:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 16:02:25 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576540945; bh=kUtsf/TmAOigZHAfJuX4H8cNXZEqqIwh4a9hAfLIb5E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=j8kPkA4cx5z8MKFcmQ7QhTFqoBYFRqurKAaHMzXwq6EVFDa7nfG+gmXRGdlHmtsSc dN6MpAr3u69BzZfa95Wo78SJQE4laVfuWCc8csmwW5gSlRsvRROHf0eBwT9wmd0BjR W1cqRbQXesmFbJTCtuMDAyEyfvdo2Lg2XeuytLTw= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Forwarding upstream error mid-body to downstream (#3300) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df81b11341f2_47f93fc7e70cd96c86513"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 00:02:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df81b11341f2_47f93fc7e70cd96c86513 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett @janaiyengar Thank you for your responses. The issue is NOT related with TCP resets. HTTP/1.1 does not distinguish between TCP FIN and RST, but it has it's own framing; see [RFC 7230 section 3.3.3](https://httpwg.org/specs/rfc7230.html#rfc.section.3.3.3). HTTP/2 does not (need to) distinguish between the two, it relies on HTTP/2 frames to see if an HTTP message has been transferred completely. My point is that a HTTP/1.1 or HTTP/2 intermediary acting as a "tunnel" (as defined in [RFC 7230 section 2.3](https://httpwg.org/specs/rfc7230.html#rfc.section.2.3)), is able to forward unexpected termination of an HTTP message that it received from upstream to downstream. In HTTP/1.1, what a tunnel can do is abruptly terminate a chunked encoding (by closing the connection normally). In HTTP/2, a tunnel sends a RST_STREAM. In either case, the close signal never overtakes the partial payload. I am not sure what others do, but at least H2O have been strict about forwarding partial payload and error close as they were received from upstream; see https://github.com/h2o/h2o/pull/1490. The intention is to provide the same response to the user even when a server running behind returns a corrupt response. But in HTTP/3, because a stream reset can overtake the transmission of application data, it becomes very hard to act as a tunnel in such a way. The worst case is as follows: consider the case where an origin always returns an HTTP response (containing an image) that terminates abruptly (at the HTTP/1.1 or HTTP/2 layer). Note that the delivery of partial, progressive JPEG image might not have any negative effects on user experience. Or the origin might in fact be returning an entire image, but failing to terminate the chunked encoding correctly. When the connection between the tunnel and the client is HTTP/1.1 or HTTP/2, the tunnel can (and likely will) forward that partial response. But when the connection between the tunnel and the client is HTTP/3, it is very hard for the tunnel to deliver the partial response before the stream reset. Assuming that the partial response is of low priority, it is likely that the client would see nothing (rather than an image), as the stream reset signal would precede delivery of any stream data. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3300#issuecomment-566306169 ----==_mimepart_5df81b11341f2_47f93fc7e70cd96c86513 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett @janaiyengar Thank you for your responses.

The issue is NOT related with TCP resets.

HTTP/1.1 does not distinguish between TCP FIN and RST, but it has it's own framing; see RFC 7230 section 3.3.3. HTTP/2 does not (need to) distinguish between the two, it relies on HTTP/2 frames to see if an HTTP message has been transferred completely.

My point is that a HTTP/1.1 or HTTP/2 intermediary acting as a "tunnel" (as defined in RFC 7230 section 2.3), is able to forward unexpected termination of an HTTP message that it received from upstream to downstream. In HTTP/1.1, what a tunnel can do is abruptly terminate a chunked encoding (by closing the connection normally). In HTTP/2, a tunnel sends a RST_STREAM.

In either case, the close signal never overtakes the partial payload.

I am not sure what others do, but at least H2O have been strict about forwarding partial payload and error close as they were received from upstream; see h2o/h2o#1490. The intention is to provide the same response to the user even when a server running behind returns a corrupt response.

But in HTTP/3, because a stream reset can overtake the transmission of application data, it becomes very hard to act as a tunnel in such a way.

The worst case is as follows: consider the case where an origin always returns an HTTP response (containing an image) that terminates abruptly (at the HTTP/1.1 or HTTP/2 layer). Note that the delivery of partial, progressive JPEG image might not have any negative effects on user experience. Or the origin might in fact be returning an entire image, but failing to terminate the chunked encoding correctly.

When the connection between the tunnel and the client is HTTP/1.1 or HTTP/2, the tunnel can (and likely will) forward that partial response. But when the connection between the tunnel and the client is HTTP/3, it is very hard for the tunnel to deliver the partial response before the stream reset. Assuming that the partial response is of low priority, it is likely that the client would see nothing (rather than an image), as the stream reset signal would precede delivery of any stream data.

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----==_mimepart_5df81b11341f2_47f93fc7e70cd96c86513-- From nobody Mon Dec 16 17:07:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB984120965 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:07:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NnxmlSLaKFau for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:07:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79377120013 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:07:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f144ac1.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824746A1271 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:07:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576544860; bh=ZxoOe7rHEXn8DIM6vC2F8TEXoIPgUQZ5ztQYVryAUXM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=r2a/riLErftOkXi7F8/NWbK8b/c7WDGQBpiJfwVatNdCXe3A3txl+JUeEmzfPd4Bz 1qZaP6o2jN8RA5ENTlKyDwh7OqiVuwdbRkO+B8X4+apB41ayOg7C+KWZl3xdrkLFpj HGm7OjKwWe8mqPEdW0iVQiKuX8Oi0P3Xo1M/rNwo= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:07:40 -0800 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] clarify the use of an incomplete DATA frame to forward a malformed partial message (#3303) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df82a5c72cc4_7e3b3f8415acd964282683"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 01:07:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df82a5c72cc4_7e3b3f8415acd964282683 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Clarifies that a tunnel might intentionally use an incomplete DATA frame to forward a malformed response, while preserving the partial response that has been transferred. closes #3300. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3303 -- Commit Summary -- * clarify the use of an incomplete DATA frame to forward a malformed partial message -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (9) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3303.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3303.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3303 ----==_mimepart_5df82a5c72cc4_7e3b3f8415acd964282683 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Clarifies that a tunnel might intentionally use an incomplete DATA frame to forward a malformed response, while preserving the partial response that has been transferred.

closes #3300.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3303

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  • clarify the use of an incomplete DATA frame to forward a malformed partial message

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One possible solution to this issue is to allow a tunnel to intentionally send a malformed response to downstream, rather than resetting the stream. I've created #3303 that specifies such behavior.

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----==_mimepart_5df82ab19044a_5b043f8c58ccd96c19614f-- From nobody Mon Dec 16 17:30:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAB212096C for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:30:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZUyGTl0q2Fo2 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 163F812095C for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:30:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABC2A003D for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:30:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576546200; bh=b04d4MquLZQztOFdnSzT/kOsI+Q4YNSuHHYKxzu/FBM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=B2f1a5blP5AB1EwGGvBYGzHvPHyRg9lUCxGSie68HZe2UPJTWcE4r3VVYO2q+6lhw WKuqubcI+xXvRdaJTh2+XBU6dWguaGCuiGITqxHitaVo4SBvrg6vix344mfbOkj/Ft DVkk+cRd3hyDnT7YTG0NxDsWAtXnR5+zVdUxBRgU= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 17:30:00 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Forwarding upstream error mid-body to downstream (#3300) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df82f984bbfa_7f493faa95ecd964168834"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 01:30:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df82f984bbfa_7f493faa95ecd964168834 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think that this is a good response to this condition. It creates a situation where an intermediary purposefully violates the protocol. If the connection is broken, then let it be broken. The intermediary can forward precisely what it received, ensure that that data was received, then reset the stream if it truly cares about fidelity. Note that the intermediary might also have to deal with gaps toward the tail of such a broken stream as well, and then they can't propagate that information with the same accuracy. We shouldn't permit a condition that the recipient can't distinguish from badness. The result of a change like this is to force clients to accept this junk as something other than a connection-level error. That means we can't catch badness that looks similar to this. For this particular kind of behaviour, I would expect connection errors in most implementations. I realize that HTTP/1.1 implementations do this all the time and that CDNs often have to patch up these situations, but this isn't patching it up, it's propagating the badness to the rest of the system. You are right the the badness is sometimes constrained. As you say, the trailing part of a progressive image often can be lost with no visible impact. This is an area where browsers might need to be tolerant of resets and retain at least what has already been displayed. You might want to be able to rely on that happening too, so maybe this is an area in which we pursue solutions in other areas (like Fetch). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3300#issuecomment-566338140 ----==_mimepart_5df82f984bbfa_7f493faa95ecd964168834 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I don't think that this is a good response to this condition. It creates a situation where an intermediary purposefully violates the protocol. If the connection is broken, then let it be broken. The intermediary can forward precisely what it received, ensure that that data was received, then reset the stream if it truly cares about fidelity.

Note that the intermediary might also have to deal with gaps toward the tail of such a broken stream as well, and then they can't propagate that information with the same accuracy.

We shouldn't permit a condition that the recipient can't distinguish from badness. The result of a change like this is to force clients to accept this junk as something other than a connection-level error. That means we can't catch badness that looks similar to this. For this particular kind of behaviour, I would expect connection errors in most implementations.

I realize that HTTP/1.1 implementations do this all the time and that CDNs often have to patch up these situations, but this isn't patching it up, it's propagating the badness to the rest of the system. You are right the the badness is sometimes constrained. As you say, the trailing part of a progressive image often can be lost with no visible impact. This is an area where browsers might need to be tolerant of resets and retain at least what has already been displayed. You might want to be able to rely on that happening too, so maybe this is an area in which we pursue solutions in other areas (like Fetch).

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I don't think that this is a good response to this condition. It creates a situation where an intermediary purposefully violates the protocol. If the connection is broken, then let it be broken. The intermediary can forward precisely what it received, ensure that that data was received, then reset the stream if it truly cares about fidelity.

The problem here is that it is complex to ensure that the data was received before transmitting a reset. That's something that the QUIC transport does not have a concept, and I'm not sure if we can except QUIC stacks to expose a signal indicating if data has been acked.

We might argue that in-order delivery of stream resets was a feature of HTTP/2, and that we need it in HTTP/3. As you state, I think we'd better define a way to patch up these situations, otherwise people might suffer from worse user experience when using HTTP/3.

Am I correct in assuming that your distaste is against the solution proposed in #3303 rather than against this issue itself? If so, would you be more open to using a HTTP/3 frame for indicating abrupt termination?

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----==_mimepart_5df83c3057d11_7cb83ffdbb8cd96417643b-- From nobody Mon Dec 16 19:44:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B71912009C for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 19:44:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IJ7KJF2oveVk for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 19:44:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89473120041 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 19:44:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BED58C01E4 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 19:44:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576554259; bh=tBd69447RbQxgpCayLGBa6XvsuNlDPe6MDCGLmxMQck=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qBjJHfAfYAmQgBfauJqqpfNSnXiOOzlodEmxDuHVopN3ZuyaBA4nUllDdB4Web0kA mCdcLA/W7mYr8VjfVsUIc2H6eI28j2cBKKWS7IgZzXwqyy6KHcjTJovmQsGR+CPtnZ z23HGyOhEuvlQPOq/LzGswUWTFAUNqoazLvZS+fM= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 19:44:19 -0800 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK generation recommendation (#3304) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df84f135cef8_21b03fb07eecd95c7306e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 03:44:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df84f135cef8_21b03fb07eecd95c7306e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The transport draft currently says: ``` An ACK frame SHOULD be generated for at least every second ack-eliciting packet. This recommendation is in keeping with standard practice for TCP {{?RFC5681}}. ``` Gorry raised the point that in experiments, this generates way too many ACK packets in high bandwidth networks, such as satellite networks. This has noticeable CPU costs for QUIC, for both sending as well as for receiving. Satellite networks use middleboxes that collapse TCP ACKs, but they can't for QUIC. We have talked about doing a more general strategy separately as an extension, but we have experience with a fairly straightforward one. Chrome uses an ACK coalescing strategy that does the following: after the first 100 packets, ACK once every 10 packets or 1/4th of an RTT, whichever comes earlier. If we agree that this might be good general strategy, we should suggest it in the transport document. @ianswett: my recollection is that the strategy had some throughput reduction when used with Cubic, is that correct? Do you think using 1/8th RTT might resolve this? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3304 ----==_mimepart_5df84f135cef8_21b03fb07eecd95c7306e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The transport draft currently says:

An ACK frame SHOULD be generated for at least every second ack-eliciting packet.
This recommendation is in keeping with standard practice for TCP {{?RFC5681}}.

Gorry raised the point that in experiments, this generates way too many ACK packets in high bandwidth networks, such as satellite networks. This has noticeable CPU costs for QUIC, for both sending as well as for receiving. Satellite networks use middleboxes that collapse TCP ACKs, but they can't for QUIC.

We have talked about doing a more general strategy separately as an extension, but we have experience with a fairly straightforward one. Chrome uses an ACK coalescing strategy that does the following: after the first 100 packets, ACK once every 10 packets or 1/4th of an RTT, whichever comes earlier. If we agree that this might be good general strategy, we should suggest it in the transport document.

@ianswett: my recollection is that the strategy had some throughput reduction when used with Cubic, is that correct? Do you think using 1/8th RTT might resolve this?

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Look, I recognize the difficulty here, but I don't think that this problem suggests anything other than a (maybe) a new stream reset error code. I realize that pushes for widening of the HTTP/3-to-transport interface, but I can't see an alternative that does not create horrible externalities for this use case. Important as it might be for CDNs and the web, I don't think that it is a good idea to have the rest of the system bear the cost of dealing with the problem.

I am very much opposed to the proposal in #3303 for previously-stated reasons.

Enabling in-order delivery of stream resets would be a massive disruption to the protocol, even if we only did it at the HTTP/3 layer. I don't concretely know how to do that, but it implies a significant shift (or bifurcation) in the stream model if we did it at the transport layer.

Adding in-order resets at the application layer for HTTP/3 is not trivial either. A frame on the same stream is not going to work because it prevents an intermediary from forwarding without reframing at that layer. Otherwise, they would not be able to guarantee that they can send any frame on the stream. That requires a big shift in how people approach building of intermediaries. Something on a control stream might work, but then you have the potential for ambiguity about placement relative to the target stream unless you effectively replicate the RESET_STREAM design at the application layer. That would make me very uncomfortable.

It seems to me that you can address this without changing the protocol, even if it requires some awkward crossing of protocol layers. That's my preference.

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----==_mimepart_5df84f8110598_457f3fec3decd95c857cb-- From nobody Mon Dec 16 20:07:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6EDA1200A1 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:07:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8vnv7NkzOwxC for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F529120041 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:07:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:07:43 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576555663; bh=9dpXrqZ81lLC+5ezi7nUU8WcgO5jFFOPnp3WiJZx+S4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NnUkAWecnkpBC4X4sHUmVeAzu9IGbp/tiCv92Nw0l6TQiCGS6HP65YuE99aB5F3q2 jmlJUgshl62hOAVQi+zu+SA3CbCEWI6R/BTme36LCVn30svyXM6/lmNwqredsD/ZAG WaevZWU9DAnvbrp9rE9aUD30Hk9KC1EnJ2lHSDqs= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Forwarding upstream error mid-body to downstream (#3300) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df8548fe0625_342d3fdebc4cd96811213b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 04:07:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df8548fe0625_342d3fdebc4cd96811213b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson Thank you for sharing your views. I am not sure if it correct to frame this issue as specific to CDNs, I might argue that it is a problem for intermediaries in general. I agree that we shouldn't try to introduce in-order delivery of stream resets at the transport layer. If we are to introducing that, it should be a new signal within HTTP/3. > Adding in-order resets at the application layer for HTTP/3 is not trivial either. A frame on the same stream is not going to work because it prevents an intermediary from forwarding without reframing at that layer. Otherwise, they would not be able to guarantee that they can send any frame on the stream. That requires a big shift in how people approach building of intermediaries. I think this is what I disagree. I _think_ that many if not most of the intermediaries to be doing reframing. In case of HTTP/2, intermediaries _should_ have been doing reframing by itself, otherwise it cannot prioritize the responses, I'd assume that proxies would be doing the same for HTTP/3 (though I might be wrong). If that assumption is correct, the fix would be as trivial as introducing a HTTP/3 frame indicating the error, which is sent on the request stream. It's ugly to have two ways of signaling error (one at QUIC layer and one at HTTP layer), but it'd help us provide same expectations across different versions of HTTP. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3300#issuecomment-566371284 ----==_mimepart_5df8548fe0625_342d3fdebc4cd96811213b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson Thank you for sharing your views. I am not sure if it correct to frame this issue as specific to CDNs, I might argue that it is a problem for intermediaries in general.

I agree that we shouldn't try to introduce in-order delivery of stream resets at the transport layer. If we are to introducing that, it should be a new signal within HTTP/3.

Adding in-order resets at the application layer for HTTP/3 is not trivial either. A frame on the same stream is not going to work because it prevents an intermediary from forwarding without reframing at that layer. Otherwise, they would not be able to guarantee that they can send any frame on the stream. That requires a big shift in how people approach building of intermediaries.

I think this is what I disagree. I think that many if not most of the intermediaries to be doing reframing. In case of HTTP/2, intermediaries should have been doing reframing by itself, otherwise it cannot prioritize the responses, I'd assume that proxies would be doing the same for HTTP/3 (though I might be wrong).

If that assumption is correct, the fix would be as trivial as introducing a HTTP/3 frame indicating the error, which is sent on the request stream. It's ugly to have two ways of signaling error (one at QUIC layer and one at HTTP layer), but it'd help us provide same expectations across different versions of HTTP.

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----==_mimepart_5df8548fe0625_342d3fdebc4cd96811213b-- From nobody Mon Dec 16 20:17:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD301200B6 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:17:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BzJpiae6WzeQ for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:17:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C0E81200A1 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:17:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:17:00 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576556220; bh=FmrQuowKS3CPlU3MRFksVoT9DFBs1CSxSivh8xvF+sI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=P0EJ27H5syxTMiHTOcdJuSdvczbrJ75WVYSGkSW5mC+F+ouAKQQ/oHdMxzoLx3XIX bBm4lvlu2fi9gvevTsZgR4YMzSBVOh3x7BpVU68CIUvcTn5VgUCuvddEvza/tnGZat TFYTNA43y7bPUH8CSZ6kQr0S9mshE5hwxuvtf+nI= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Forwarding upstream error mid-body to downstream (#3300) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df856bc701e2_38d73fcd91ecd96817468d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 04:17:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df856bc701e2_38d73fcd91ecd96817468d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PS. Or, if we are to consider H3 tunnels that does not do reframing as something within the scope of the specification, I think we need to have something like #3303. Consider the case of a H3-H3 intermediary that parses the request, and binds HTTP requests to different origins, transmitting the *response* as-is without dealing with frames. Such a tunnel would work as expected, assuming that QPACK dynamic table is not used. In this type of design, a stream-level error (i.e. abrupt termination of a stream) does not indicate a connection-level error. Therefore, we need to state that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3300#issuecomment-566373198 ----==_mimepart_5df856bc701e2_38d73fcd91ecd96817468d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

PS. Or, if we are to consider H3 tunnels that does not do reframing as something within the scope of the specification, I think we need to have something like #3303.

Consider the case of a H3-H3 intermediary that parses the request, and binds HTTP requests to different origins, transmitting the response as-is without dealing with frames. Such a tunnel would work as expected, assuming that QPACK dynamic table is not used.

In this type of design, a stream-level error (i.e. abrupt termination of a stream) does not indicate a connection-level error. Therefore, we need to state that.

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----==_mimepart_5df856bc701e2_38d73fcd91ecd96817468d-- From nobody Mon Dec 16 20:30:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0C61200C7 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:30:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XhiICEVpgXee for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:30:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D14DB1200B6 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-b19c547.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7F61C1182 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:30:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576557038; bh=ZRKp+44vYPttHDPg54CcDod3Pdp0Elb8KPWxC2HQfok=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=whh9w7wdUygpJjHaMxe9bXA26hzo3LEv9m0Ct0Kvvb9tFrISCE+NPVwsceTgtmmPE wlltrrq8yWwhqbpxQc0KOAGp/lJ9GaHQhVmcpen0FNSUQX689WYY5PJ+UtV7sj3lxd LfliyuDFe8BBcgcvzxmct4cPx+DJLvdmnzF3Y4N4= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:30:37 -0800 From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Forwarding upstream error mid-body to downstream (#3300) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df859edeff2b_14663fe5bfecd968150077"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 04:30:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df859edeff2b_14663fe5bfecd968150077 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I agree with @martinthomson here. Adding in-order stream reset sounds extremely complicated at either the HTTP/3 or QUIC layers. The particular use case here does not seem compelling enough to warrant this complexity. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3300#issuecomment-566375791 ----==_mimepart_5df859edeff2b_14663fe5bfecd968150077 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think I agree with @martinthomson here. Adding in-order stream reset sounds extremely complicated at either the HTTP/3 or QUIC layers. The particular use case here does not seem compelling enough to warrant this complexity.

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----==_mimepart_5df859edeff2b_14663fe5bfecd968150077-- From nobody Mon Dec 16 20:45:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF72120131 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:45:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g3HHvNgm2tpu for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B60A81200A3 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2031C60618 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:45:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576557922; bh=AuqgIMg2DZMi1SC3OQ9IE/aU37mUXuWC+I/9yIMvvKY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hKdov1Bz4qW1KvhaJK6+e6WO6XKwkgxnqwrvTSr4F3PYnVO/+lVr8itjgPfpgxXpy WWEOr/TOKy2emuPbZjOxdOaTk9CdwqVV+Mx4s9XYvfYsIpmJTBDSrHIMe2ASRopziF 8wg3qDxjUk3FaE6JE/ubR4L+9GDlUQ5lWtF/xDAo= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:45:22 -0800 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DetectLostPackets not called in anti-deadlock case (#3298) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df85d62d2ea8_512a3fe7634cd9681806c7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 04:45:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df85d62d2ea8_512a3fe7634cd9681806c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suspect this is a special case. Our model has been to not mark anything as lost until we've received an ACK for something after it. I can see that you might have a bit of a cost in following this model with your implementation. Calling DetectLostPackets() there if you'd like as an optimization for your case, I don't think you break anything by doing it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3298#issuecomment-566378423 ----==_mimepart_5df85d62d2ea8_512a3fe7634cd9681806c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I suspect this is a special case. Our model has been to not mark anything as lost until we've received an ACK for something after it. I can see that you might have a bit of a cost in following this model with your implementation. Calling DetectLostPackets() there if you'd like as an optimization for your case, I don't think you break anything by doing it.

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----==_mimepart_5df85d62d2ea8_512a3fe7634cd9681806c7-- From nobody Mon Dec 16 20:51:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7D81200A3 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:51:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UNihYWGffmu1 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:51:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B6F1120098 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:51:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:51:30 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576558290; bh=hH5pu23nxj/W1VvzTgFZtMU/csRF4F7+wZ56AL1Xjv0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LQ33kG8Gw9nNF9DJ5yxE3JCMTSgHuyY7YmdEh3daiJfrFmsp64R4BjS/FkL3I5bmd Ex2qklZbXs6BPo+y46vsvT1bvzJvj/Zrx4T0VMyncdIZKWkHrec9wZPBYTT/bLVMo9 sKrzVJhFXIgcD0XCYZ4uhxMhG50fA77cYpipamvw= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify the state a client stores with a token (#3150) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df85ed2b3beb_52a63fcf968cd96c1792d6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 04:51:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df85ed2b3beb_52a63fcf968cd96c1792d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. A couple of editorial suggestions. > @@ -1792,6 +1793,12 @@ able to reuse a token. To avoid attacks that exploit this property, a server can limit its use of tokens to only the information needed to validate client addresses. +Clients MAY use tokens obtained on one connection for any connection attempt +using the same version. When selecting a token to use, clients do not need to +consider other properties of the connection that is being attempted, including +the choice of possible application protocols, session tickets, or other ```suggestion the choice of application protocol or the value of any session ticket being used. ``` > @@ -1792,6 +1793,12 @@ able to reuse a token. To avoid attacks that exploit this property, a server can limit its use of tokens to only the information needed to validate client addresses. +Clients MAY use tokens obtained on one connection for any connection attempt +using the same version. When selecting a token to use, clients do not need to +consider other properties of the connection that is being attempted, including +the choice of possible application protocols, session tickets, or other +connection properties. ```suggestion ``` > @@ -1792,6 +1793,12 @@ able to reuse a token. To avoid attacks that exploit this property, a server can limit its use of tokens to only the information needed to validate client addresses. +Clients MAY use tokens obtained on one connection for any connection attempt +using the same version. When selecting a token to use, clients do not need to ```suggestion using the same version. When selecting a token to use, a client does not need to ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3150#pullrequestreview-333024523 ----==_mimepart_5df85ed2b3beb_52a63fcf968cd96c1792d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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@MikeBishop Thank you for laying down the options.

My preference goes to:

  • Multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames on different streams. Old H3-style; wastes some bytes repeating yourself, and now we have to talk about consistency between them:
    • Not allowed to differ; client has to check that the headers are the same. What if they're not? How long does the client have to keep the headers? Need it be the same bytes, or simply the same resulting header set?

Regarding the points listed as questions, I think we should state that the header set that the server sends MUST contain the exact same bytes (after decompression), and that a client MUST either validate that they are the same, or ignore the PUSH_PROMISE.

By using MAX_PUSH_ID frame, the client controls the number of pushes that the server can initiate. It can track the unused push IDs much like the QUIC transport tracks unused stream IDs. By tracking that, the client can tell if a PUSH_PROMISE frame contains a new push or if is a duplicate. If it is a duplicate that it has already forgotten, then it can simply ignore it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -833,11 +833,6 @@ implementations.  As an optimization, an endpoint could send frames related to
 flow control only when there are other frames to send or when a peer is blocked,
 ensuring that flow control does not cause extra packets to be sent.
 
-When a sender receives credit after being blocked, it might send a large amount
-of data in response. As is recommended in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}, implementations
-should pace this data to avoid sending it in a burst and causing short-term

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I have some editiorial comments, but the design looks fine to me. While we might embed some information related to 0-RTT configuration in QUIC tokens, they would be decryptable and be usable, so we do not think there would be a problem for us (thanks to @martinthomson for checking). > @@ -1741,7 +1741,8 @@ its Initial packet. Including a token might allow the server to validate the client address without an additional round trip. A client MUST NOT include a token that is not applicable to the server that it is connecting to, unless the client has the knowledge that the server that issued the token and the server -the client is connecting to are jointly managing the tokens. +the client is connecting to are jointly managing the tokens. A client MAY use a +token from any previous connection to that server. Maybe this sentence can be subsumed by the first sentence of the same paragraph that discusses the applicability of the token? > @@ -1792,6 +1793,12 @@ able to reuse a token. To avoid attacks that exploit this property, a server can limit its use of tokens to only the information needed to validate client addresses. +Clients MAY use tokens obtained on one connection for any connection attempt +using the same version. When selecting a token to use, clients do not need to It might be better to say: _using the same "QUIC" version_. Also, I think it might be a good idea to gather the discussion about applicability to one place. At the moment this PR scatters that to three places: one being the change above (and the first sentence of that paragraph, which already exists), and the provisions being added here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3150#pullrequestreview-333028995 ----==_mimepart_5df8649c3a25_4713fa3648cd95c2998c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho commented on this pull request.

I have some editiorial comments, but the design looks fine to me.

While we might embed some information related to 0-RTT configuration in QUIC tokens, they would be decryptable and be usable, so we do not think there would be a problem for us (thanks to @martinthomson for checking).

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1741,7 +1741,8 @@ its Initial packet.  Including a token might allow the server to validate the
 client address without an additional round trip.  A client MUST NOT include a
 token that is not applicable to the server that it is connecting to, unless the
 client has the knowledge that the server that issued the token and the server
-the client is connecting to are jointly managing the tokens.
+the client is connecting to are jointly managing the tokens.  A client MAY use a
+token from any previous connection to that server.

Maybe this sentence can be subsumed by the first sentence of the same paragraph that discusses the applicability of the token?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1792,6 +1793,12 @@ able to reuse a token.  To avoid attacks that exploit this property, a server
 can limit its use of tokens to only the information needed to validate client
 addresses.
 
+Clients MAY use tokens obtained on one connection for any connection attempt
+using the same version.  When selecting a token to use, clients do not need to

It might be better to say: using the same "QUIC" version.

Also, I think it might be a good idea to gather the discussion about applicability to one place. At the moment this PR scatters that to three places: one being the change above (and the first sentence of that paragraph, which already exists), and the provisions being added here.

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+1 to everything @kazuho said. Let's do it!

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LGTM modulo the point below.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -801,33 +801,41 @@ limit is increased.
 
 ## Flow Credit Increments {#fc-credit}
 
-This document leaves when and how many bytes to advertise in a MAX_STREAM_DATA
-or MAX_DATA frame to implementations, but offers a few considerations.  These
-frames contribute to connection overhead.  Therefore frequently sending frames
-with small changes is undesirable.  At the same time, larger increments to
-limits are necessary to avoid blocking if updates are less frequent, requiring
-larger resource commitments at the receiver.  Thus there is a trade-off between
-resource commitment and overhead when determining how large a limit is
-advertised.
+Implementations decide when and how many bytes to advertise in MAX_STREAM_DATA
+and MAX_DATA frames. This section describes one requirement and offers a few
+considerations.
+
+A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before

I understand that we are moving existing text, but "MUST NOT" seems a bit odd to me, as it could be interpreted as a prohibition against the receiver intentionally blocking the stream. Maybe "SHOULD NOT" is better.

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What do you mean by "exact same bytes"? After decompression I'm converting to my own header list object that isn't the same layout as any interop standard, is that ok?

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@LPardue I mean that the set of headers should appear in the same order, and that each of the header fields should contain the same bytes (after decompression).

Or to paraphrase, they should be the same byte-by-byte once decompressed, rather than semantically being the same. For example, the number of white spaces between the cache-control directives cannot change.

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Will do, thanks

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----==_mimepart_5df8898c30997_574f3f80b72cd96430341f-- From nobody Mon Dec 16 23:53:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903A01209CF for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 23:53:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k5JSMwTbSgEi for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 23:53:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC22B1209C8 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2019 23:53:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 23:53:48 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576569228; bh=YJ5DOJewKzATsGJzAcvDscMH07sl3jhVUpE0envkxKY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=afd8Zlf49FBeIGE/4ZiV/FxKnypYpQ9mPmsYmG0Fg+w/PaEUcMaTFkdDArLHoeDfK OhXWJ4KrCJ4O028Zi0jxdM1XJfbZlCyi7VLdlRo1vlhvK2SrfUW/UIqobcv53Dx1/I Qz7RAhSuty7nVzxI56n86v7YqCcVkleYuUXI55+Y= From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] DetectLostPackets not called in anti-deadlock case (#3298) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df8898cbb938_2fca3ffa10ecd96c453094"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 07:53:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df8898cbb938_2fca3ffa10ecd96c453094 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #3298. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3298#event-2888806811 ----==_mimepart_5df8898cbb938_2fca3ffa10ecd96c453094 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closed #3298.

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Why only after the first 100 packets? To have fine-grained feedback during ramp-up?

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----==_mimepart_5df889c67343f_6a03fd9f4ecd96c227183-- From nobody Tue Dec 17 01:36:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E303B120994 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 01:36:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kOgyT_PaO2p7 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 01:36:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E63C61200DB for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 01:36:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.57]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A03DC61F90 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 01:36:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576575379; bh=JKCkskiUxUcnXKTM+XuEX106cuyxpcL1HFL5SGxc2dQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=glPw3WvqJBPQyBjvv9BQVth/eO88Nj14ZifBhS/HgXf0qywszL1Lq0mrd8lKeGcj8 +YRUG5YBfYnjl6K+D9zbRw0okdWcMxVUraeTpC3ikv4q6qGsfUt+41UOjsM9035AZj u5zTNiPsgxJWJHM7yTrT+cz77nxRFOuCi1nuy61s= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 01:36:19 -0800 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Incorrect values for Required Insert Count (#3305) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df8a1938b2ef_77793fed684cd96c5141e2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 09:36:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df8a1938b2ef_77793fed684cd96c5141e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If an encoder produces a Required Insert Count that is invalid, what can a decoder do? The encoder could provide a value that is too high. In the case where the value is high, but the number of entries is already acknowledged, this is probably harmless. However, the decoder might block unnecessarily, if the values were not already present and the encoder references none of those entries or only references lower-indexed entries than it declared. This is a performance problem up until the point where the encoder hasn't provided the "required" entries and finds no reason to do so, at which point the performance bug could be come a deadlock. The encoder could provide a value that is too low. The decoder might then reasonably reject an encoding, but some will not. If the value is only too low and the entry is present in the dynamic table, some encoders will happily pull the value from the table and use it. Those decoders will only generate an error if the entry isn't there yet. I think that it would be better for the protocol if a decoder were able to generate an error if the maximum index referred to in a header block did not exactly match the Required Insert Count. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3305 ----==_mimepart_5df8a1938b2ef_77793fed684cd96c5141e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If an encoder produces a Required Insert Count that is invalid, what can a decoder do?

The encoder could provide a value that is too high. In the case where the value is high, but the number of entries is already acknowledged, this is probably harmless. However, the decoder might block unnecessarily, if the values were not already present and the encoder references none of those entries or only references lower-indexed entries than it declared. This is a performance problem up until the point where the encoder hasn't provided the "required" entries and finds no reason to do so, at which point the performance bug could be come a deadlock.

The encoder could provide a value that is too low. The decoder might then reasonably reject an encoding, but some will not. If the value is only too low and the entry is present in the dynamic table, some encoders will happily pull the value from the table and use it. Those decoders will only generate an error if the entry isn't there yet.

I think that it would be better for the protocol if a decoder were able to generate an error if the maximum index referred to in a header block did not exactly match the Required Insert Count.

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This is a performance problem up until the point where the encoder hasn't provided the "required" entries and finds no reason to do so, at which point the performance bug could be come a deadlock. [Emphasis added.]

The "finds no reason to do so" is a functional, not performance, bug in the encoder.

As for performance, that's why there is the QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS setting.

I think that it would be better for the protocol if a decoder were able to generate an error if the maximum index referred to in a header block did not exactly match the Required Insert Count.

I thought there was verbiage to that effect already, but I don't see it in the current draft.

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Gorry raised the point that in experiments, this generates way too many ACK packets in high bandwidth networks, such as satellite networks. This has noticeable CPU costs for QUIC, for both sending as well as for receiving.

Could you expand on this? I find this to be an extremely general statement, and not very helpful in understanding the real motivation for any possible changes. You say it "has noticeable CPU costs for QUIC", but are you referring to the client, server or some middle boxes somehow?

Assuming you're worried about the CPU costs on the server side, has anyone explicitly measured the differences in CPU cost for generating different number of ACKs per RTT? What's the effect on FC? Fewer ACKs will mean the sender (I'm assuming the server?) is going to have to buffer more, and FC windows might be hit more often. Is this really such a big problem that is requires a spec change? In V1?

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----==_mimepart_5df8eaade9bab_71803f9ec72cd968110596-- From nobody Tue Dec 17 07:28:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749271209D0 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 07:28:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FN7yfL2jL9ey for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 07:28:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43A6D12012C for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 07:28:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 07:28:18 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576596498; bh=ilRZBfK+bn/QmlFCqy10sz8stam0WI4L4cGB5wyXMPE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PxDZzgsMGdf5fcZ3kCrhTslESQC5Fr6gJG7ND1YGA7zt9DBJ18pnvzwy56c8e6Qi6 lZ+pY0qpZlUsOGPlRWnbZadU7wA/TXTp5+VDPnt8QL5ikJMhOa4Aga6CNX0bQ2uRrD GMdpQSNuDq3seyyrxbB3JcFJh/MVSv5+4atJuCh0= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK generation recommendation (#3304) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df8f412575f2_14873fda69ecd9601113d2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 15:28:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df8f412575f2_14873fda69ecd9601113d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 6:48 AM Nick Banks wrote: > Gorry raised the point that in experiments, this generates way too many > ACK packets in high bandwidth networks, such as satellite networks. This > has noticeable CPU costs for QUIC, for both sending as well as for > receiving. > > Could you expand on this? I find this to be an extremely general > statement, and not very helpful in understanding the real motivation for > any possible changes. You say it "has noticeable CPU costs for QUIC", but > are you referring to the client, server or some middle boxes somehow? > It can happen to either endpoint. Consider an HTTP/3 download. The client ends up burning a bunch of CPU *sending* ACK, and the server a bunch of CPU *processing* ACKs. > Assuming you're worried about the CPU costs on the server side, has anyone > explicitly measured the differences in CPU cost for generating different > number of ACKs per RTT? What's the effect on FC? Fewer ACKs will mean the > sender (I'm assuming the server?) is going to have to buffer more, and FC > windows might be hit more often. Is this really such a big problem that is > requires a spec change? In V1? > We've definitely noticed the CPU costs at Google on high bandwidth connections with long flow. This led us to implement a variety of ACK reduction strategies which reduced CPU use significantly. I think a QUIC sender which sends ACKs of every 2 packets without and further limits will be unable to take full advantage of the network and yes, we should explicitly permit this in V1. I don't believe we measured the impact on flow control. Our clients typically advertise a very large flow control window which basically does not get hit. Cheers, Ryan -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3304#issuecomment-566590677 ----==_mimepart_5df8f412575f2_14873fda69ecd9601113d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 6:48 AM Nick Banks <notifications@github.com> wrote:

> Gorry raised the point that in experiments, this generates way too many
> ACK packets in high bandwidth networks, such as satellite networks. This
> has noticeable CPU costs for QUIC, for both sending as well as for
> receiving.
>
> Could you expand on this? I find this to be an extremely general
> statement, and not very helpful in understanding the real motivation for
> any possible changes. You say it "has noticeable CPU costs for QUIC", but
> are you referring to the client, server or some middle boxes somehow?
>
It can happen to either endpoint. Consider an HTTP/3 download. The client
ends up burning a bunch of CPU *sending* ACK, and the server a bunch of CPU
*processing* ACKs.

> Assuming you're worried about the CPU costs on the server side, has anyone
> explicitly measured the differences in CPU cost for generating different
> number of ACKs per RTT? What's the effect on FC? Fewer ACKs will mean the
> sender (I'm assuming the server?) is going to have to buffer more, and FC
> windows might be hit more often. Is this really such a big problem that is
> requires a spec change? In V1?
>
We've definitely noticed the CPU costs at Google on high
bandwidth connections with long flow. This led us to implement a variety of
ACK reduction strategies which reduced CPU use significantly. I think a
QUIC sender which sends ACKs of every 2 packets without and further limits
will be unable to take full advantage of the network and yes, we should
explicitly permit this in V1.

I don't believe we measured the impact on flow control. Our clients
typically advertise a very large flow control window which basically does
not get hit.

Cheers,

Ryan

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It can happen to either endpoint. Consider an HTTP/3 download.

Oh, and of course this can happen in the other direction too. In an HTTP/3 upload the sender is the client which is less likely to have hardware offload so the CPU concerns can be quite accute.

I think a QUIC sender which sends ACKs of every 2 packets without and further limits will be unable to take full advantage of the network

Err, a QUIC sender obvious isn't the ACK sender. sigh. My point remains, though. Senders my not be able to take full advantage of the network if every two packets are ACKd.

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Some editorial suggestions > @@ -801,33 +801,41 @@ limit is increased. ## Flow Credit Increments {#fc-credit} -This document leaves when and how many bytes to advertise in a MAX_STREAM_DATA -or MAX_DATA frame to implementations, but offers a few considerations. These -frames contribute to connection overhead. Therefore frequently sending frames -with small changes is undesirable. At the same time, larger increments to -limits are necessary to avoid blocking if updates are less frequent, requiring -larger resource commitments at the receiver. Thus there is a trade-off between -resource commitment and overhead when determining how large a limit is -advertised. +Implementations decide when and how many bytes to advertise in MAX_STREAM_DATA +and MAX_DATA frames. This section describes one requirement and offers a few +considerations. + +A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before +sending a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame, since doing so will mean that a ```suggestion sending a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame, since doing so means a sender will ``` > @@ -801,33 +801,41 @@ limit is increased. ## Flow Credit Increments {#fc-credit} -This document leaves when and how many bytes to advertise in a MAX_STREAM_DATA -or MAX_DATA frame to implementations, but offers a few considerations. These -frames contribute to connection overhead. Therefore frequently sending frames -with small changes is undesirable. At the same time, larger increments to -limits are necessary to avoid blocking if updates are less frequent, requiring -larger resource commitments at the receiver. Thus there is a trade-off between -resource commitment and overhead when determining how large a limit is -advertised. +Implementations decide when and how many bytes to advertise in MAX_STREAM_DATA +and MAX_DATA frames. This section describes one requirement and offers a few +considerations. + +A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before +sending a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame, since doing so will mean that a +sender could be blocked for the rest of the connection if the peer chooses to ```suggestion be blocked for the rest of the connection if the peer chooses not to ``` > -This document leaves when and how many bytes to advertise in a MAX_STREAM_DATA -or MAX_DATA frame to implementations, but offers a few considerations. These -frames contribute to connection overhead. Therefore frequently sending frames -with small changes is undesirable. At the same time, larger increments to -limits are necessary to avoid blocking if updates are less frequent, requiring -larger resource commitments at the receiver. Thus there is a trade-off between -resource commitment and overhead when determining how large a limit is -advertised. +Implementations decide when and how many bytes to advertise in MAX_STREAM_DATA +and MAX_DATA frames. This section describes one requirement and offers a few +considerations. + +A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before +sending a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame, since doing so will mean that a +sender could be blocked for the rest of the connection if the peer chooses to +not send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frames. Even if the peer sent these ```suggestion send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frames. Even if the peer sent these ``` > +and MAX_DATA frames. This section describes one requirement and offers a few +considerations. + +A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before +sending a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame, since doing so will mean that a +sender could be blocked for the rest of the connection if the peer chooses to +not send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frames. Even if the peer sent these +frames, waiting for them means that a sender will be blocked for at least an +entire round trip. + +A sender that runs out of flow control credit will be unable to send new data +and is considered blocked, resulting in degraded performance for the +connection. To avoid blocking a sender and to reasonably account for the +possibility of loss, a receiver can send a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame +multiple times within a round trip or send it early enough to allow for recovery +from potential loss. ```suggestion from loss of the frame. ``` > -resource commitment and overhead when determining how large a limit is -advertised. +Implementations decide when and how many bytes to advertise in MAX_STREAM_DATA +and MAX_DATA frames. This section describes one requirement and offers a few +considerations. + +A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before +sending a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame, since doing so will mean that a +sender could be blocked for the rest of the connection if the peer chooses to +not send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frames. Even if the peer sent these +frames, waiting for them means that a sender will be blocked for at least an +entire round trip. + +A sender that runs out of flow control credit will be unable to send new data +and is considered blocked, resulting in degraded performance for the +connection. To avoid blocking a sender and to reasonably account for the ```suggestion connection. To avoid blocking a sender, ``` > -advertised. +Implementations decide when and how many bytes to advertise in MAX_STREAM_DATA +and MAX_DATA frames. This section describes one requirement and offers a few +considerations. + +A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before +sending a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame, since doing so will mean that a +sender could be blocked for the rest of the connection if the peer chooses to +not send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frames. Even if the peer sent these +frames, waiting for them means that a sender will be blocked for at least an +entire round trip. + +A sender that runs out of flow control credit will be unable to send new data +and is considered blocked, resulting in degraded performance for the +connection. To avoid blocking a sender and to reasonably account for the +possibility of loss, a receiver can send a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame ```suggestion a receiver can send a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame ``` > +sending a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame, since doing so will mean that a +sender could be blocked for the rest of the connection if the peer chooses to +not send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frames. Even if the peer sent these +frames, waiting for them means that a sender will be blocked for at least an +entire round trip. + +A sender that runs out of flow control credit will be unable to send new data +and is considered blocked, resulting in degraded performance for the +connection. To avoid blocking a sender and to reasonably account for the +possibility of loss, a receiver can send a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame +multiple times within a round trip or send it early enough to allow for recovery +from potential loss. + +Control frames contribute to connection overhead. Therefore, frequently sending +MAX_STREAM_DATA and MAX_DATA frames with small changes is undesirable. At the +same time, larger increments to limits are necessary to avoid blocking if I'd switch this around, ie: "At the same time, less frequent updates require larger increments to the limits to avoid blocking." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> +and MAX_DATA frames. This section describ=
es one requirement and offers a few=0D
+considerations.=0D
+=0D
+A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame=
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+sending a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame, since doing so will mean th=
at a=0D
+sender could be blocked for the rest of the connection if the peer choos=
es to=0D
+not send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frames. Even if the peer se=
nt these=0D
+frames, waiting for them means that a sender will be blocked for at leas=
t an=0D
+entire round trip.=0D
+=0D
+A sender that runs out of flow control credit will be unable to send new=
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+and is considered blocked, resulting in degraded performance for the=0D
+connection. To avoid blocking a sender and to reasonably account for the=
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+possibility of loss, a receiver can send a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA f=
rame=0D
+multiple times within a round trip or send it early enough to allow for =
recovery=0D
+from potential loss.=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-from potential loss.=0D
+from loss of the frame.=0D
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=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> -resource commitment and overhead when det=
ermining how large a limit is=0D
-advertised.=0D
+Implementations decide when and how many bytes to advertise in MAX_STREA=
M_DATA=0D
+and MAX_DATA frames. This section describes one requirement and offers a=
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+considerations.=0D
+=0D
+A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame=
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+sending a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame, since doing so will mean th=
at a=0D
+sender could be blocked for the rest of the connection if the peer choos=
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+frames, waiting for them means that a sender will be blocked for at leas=
t an=0D
+entire round trip.=0D
+=0D
+A sender that runs out of flow control credit will be unable to send new=
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+and is considered blocked, resulting in degraded performance for the=0D
+connection. To avoid blocking a sender and to reasonably account for the=
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-connection. To avoid blocking a sender and to=
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+connection. To avoid blocking a sender,=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> -advertised.=0D
+Implementations decide when and how many bytes to advertise in MAX_STREA=
M_DATA=0D
+and MAX_DATA frames. This section describes one requirement and offers a=
 few=0D
+considerations.=0D
+=0D
+A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame=
 before=0D
+sending a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame, since doing so will mean th=
at a=0D
+sender could be blocked for the rest of the connection if the peer choos=
es to=0D
+not send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frames. Even if the peer se=
nt these=0D
+frames, waiting for them means that a sender will be blocked for at leas=
t an=0D
+entire round trip.=0D
+=0D
+A sender that runs out of flow control credit will be unable to send new=
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+and is considered blocked, resulting in degraded performance for the=0D
+connection. To avoid blocking a sender and to reasonably account for the=
=0D
+possibility of loss, a receiver can send a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA f=
rame=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-possibility of loss, a receiver can send a MA=
X_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame=0D
+a receiver can send a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA frame=0D
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=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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> +sending a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA fra=
me, since doing so will mean that a=0D
+sender could be blocked for the rest of the connection if the peer choos=
es to=0D
+not send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frames. Even if the peer se=
nt these=0D
+frames, waiting for them means that a sender will be blocked for at leas=
t an=0D
+entire round trip.=0D
+=0D
+A sender that runs out of flow control credit will be unable to send new=
 data=0D
+and is considered blocked, resulting in degraded performance for the=0D
+connection. To avoid blocking a sender and to reasonably account for the=
=0D
+possibility of loss, a receiver can send a MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA f=
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+multiple times within a round trip or send it early enough to allow for =
recovery=0D
+from potential loss.=0D
+=0D
+Control frames contribute to connection overhead. Therefore, frequently =
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+same time, larger increments to limits are necessary to avoid blocking i=
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I'd switch this around, ie:
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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-If a sender runs out of flow control credit, it will be unable to send n=
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-A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame=
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-sending MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA, since doing so will mean that a sen=
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-be blocked for at least an entire round trip, and potentially for longer=
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-peer chooses to not send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frames.=0D
+When a sender receives credit after being blocked, it can send a large a=
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-data in response resulting in short-term cong=
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There was still a regression with 1/8th RTT and Cubic. We we using pacing at the time, FYI. Not pacing or pacing differently may lead to slightly different results.

Given TCP has no formal recommendations on this that I'm aware of, I tend to think we should solve this problem properly or punt it to an extension. Recommending the heuristic that Chrome arrived at though some(though not exhaustive) experimentation makes me concerned.

Sending fewer ACKs impacts the sender's congestion controller, so ideally the sender would be in control of this, or at least be aware of what the peer's algorithm is. We could add some transport params to unilaterally communicate that, like we do max_ack_delay, but then do we need to specify how to compensate for that in the recovery draft?

I'm having a really hard time coming up with a good recommendation here without some combination of a new frame and/or transport params.

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Alan found this in Section 2.2.1. It's a little obtuse though.

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This is obviously a little subjective and based on what I know. Please let me know if you think you (or someone else) should be listed. For #3278. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3306 -- Commit Summary -- * Contributors list for -recovery -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (17) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3306.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3306.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3306 ----==_mimepart_5df96af8ffde_74973fa3076cd95c446f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Similar to #3283, this is based on github logs and other engagement. This is obviously a little subjective and based on what I know. Please let me know if you think you (or someone else) should be listed.

For #3278.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3306

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----==_mimepart_5df96af8ffde_74973fa3076cd95c446f3-- From nobody Tue Dec 17 16:00:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D48C120073 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 16:00:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.383 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.383 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UdP9-vO6CS-F for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 16:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF3C012013A for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 16:00:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 16:00:09 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576627209; bh=i+0OpAKma+bhoW1733jIBcUiL4JC3usd1jrD54It6aA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yv3/7v+Jm5z0eObcsMopOuADT46fNcAqm2wc0meZSp6djlsfU8P+WX7yNJT24q1Zr eWwufAr6w+SY4goTTEPTHwbq2haum2AKc0ocdZGrOnJ0ktrpPP4SZLTTckZM8CUTuF MdpncYmkeS1/7pFf1+k6Cmyqw7/6SZ3AGyIjcE6c= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Contributors list for -recovery (#3306) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df96c0930867_22a53fe3212cd96075294"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 00:00:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df96c0930867_22a53fe3212cd96075294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request. > @@ -1621,5 +1621,22 @@ No significant changes. - Added table of contents +# Contributors + +The IETF QUIC Working Group received an enormous amount of support from many +people. The following people provided substantive contributions to this +document: +Alessandro Ghedini you might want commas between the names -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3306#pullrequestreview-333658358 ----==_mimepart_5df96c0930867_22a53fe3212cd96075294 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1621,5 +1621,22 @@ No significant changes.
 - Added table of contents
 
 
+# Contributors
+
+The IETF QUIC Working Group received an enormous amount of support from many
+people. The following people provided substantive contributions to this
+document:
+Alessandro Ghedini

you might want commas between the names

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I expect that will be true in general once people have optimized their implementations. We see fine results with the suggested basic Chrome heuristic, and haven't experimented with much beyond that but it's on our roadmap. I don't think we should keep the current ACK every other in the draft as it will largely end up being facetious. Deployments will use what ends up working better in practice and we know ACKing every other is measurably problematic (I can share numbers if people are interested). That being said, I feel uncomfortable recommending the Chrome heuristic in the draft, as it reminds me of some of the early TCP RFC's which have recommendations and constants that did not age well and are largely ignored today. Can we punt something similar to @ianswett's initial idea of having this controlled via TP or new frame type? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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At Facebook, ACK handling is the largest component of what I'd call "discretionary" CPU cost (i.e. not crypto, not syscall/userspace->kernel copying). I expect that will be true in general once people have optimized their implementations. We see fine results with the suggested basic Chrome heuristic, and haven't experimented with much beyond that but it's on our roadmap. I don't think we should keep the current ACK every other in the draft as it will largely end up being facetious. Deployments will use what ends up working better in practice and we know ACKing every other is measurably problematic (I can share numbers if people are interested).

That being said, I feel uncomfortable recommending the Chrome heuristic in the draft, as it reminds me of some of the early TCP RFC's which have recommendations and constants that did not age well and are largely ignored today. Can we punt something similar to @ianswett's initial idea of having this controlled via TP or new frame type?

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@mjoras: I'm very sympathetic to yours (and Ian's) thinking. That said, we do have a recommendation in the draft right now, which is that a receiver SHOULD ack every other packet. To your point about aging: that arguably has not aged well for TCP, but we're recommending it here. I am now wondering if should drop that SHOULD as well and make a weaker recommendation, noting that there are tradeoffs here.

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There was still a regression with 1/8th RTT and Cubic. We we using pacing at the time, FYI. Not pacing or pacing differently may lead to slightly different results.

Oh. Then, am I correct in assuming that Chrome is (or will be) sending ACK for at least every two ack-eliciting packets?

IIUC, the recovery draft recommends use of Cubic. We'd definitely want to see good performance with what we recommend, when Chrome is acting as a client.

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@mjoras: I'm very sympathetic to yours (and Ian's) thinking. That said, we do have a recommendation in the draft right now, which is that a receiver SHOULD ack every other packet. To your point about aging: that arguably has not aged well for TCP, but we're recommending it here. I am now wondering if should drop that SHOULD as well and make a weaker recommendation, noting that there are tradeoffs here.

@janaiyengar I would be supportive of dropping the SHOULD and having a brief text discussing the tradeoffs involved, possibly at least mentioning the 100-10-1/4RTT recommendation, or however you'd like to refer to it.

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----==_mimepart_5df97b8049f9f_680d3f81776cd968981ce-- From nobody Tue Dec 17 17:19:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DD2120045 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 17:19:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fy1LDDUqzECX for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 17:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A383E120043 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 17:19:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.57]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0AB6A018C for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 17:19:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576631986; bh=8NEor3ndK4jSTV1HTfDJqID1mcCSPbxpUqxZN/h4aV4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wD8iF3PVsrVYQVpPYC2UgjrO2w2oyFne+k4YWMz/9OS5kmM5M+Yd1NelDuThp9c2e B0OTx+iuiKBKmZGqMAGEgvvJtKoDeHDkwLdxjp3Pakmm3aNBGqrrHJmBvl5IMr0LKU gtOlLKQnsB2pjFa2dxGQTmDmwUuSW/ErXldi6OIo= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 17:19:46 -0800 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK generation recommendation (#3304) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df97eb2ce248_78f63f91096cd96c1086e3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 01:19:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df97eb2ce248_78f63f91096cd96c1086e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mjoras: Sorry, I misread your comment above. I was not proposing _recommending_ the 100-10-1/4RTT strategy, I was proposing _suggesting_ it. You said that the heuristic worked fine for you; did you see any performance regressions? You also say: ``` Deployments will use what ends up working better in practice and we know ACKing every other is measurably problematic (I can share numbers if people are interested). ``` If it isn't too much trouble, that would be super valuable. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3304#issuecomment-566823360 ----==_mimepart_5df97eb2ce248_78f63f91096cd96c1086e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mjoras: Sorry, I misread your comment above. I was not proposing recommending the 100-10-1/4RTT strategy, I was proposing suggesting it. You said that the heuristic worked fine for you; did you see any performance regressions?

You also say:

Deployments will use what ends up working better in practice and we know ACKing every other is measurably problematic (I can share numbers if people are interested).

If it isn't too much trouble, that would be super valuable.

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  • 1fe230a reorder the paragraph so that the text discussing about non-tunnels and tunnels sit next to each other

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Seeing distaste for endorsing an intermediary to send a corrupt frame intentionally, I have changed the text to be a clarification of what we already have.

The paragraph that precedes the new paragraph being proposed in this PR states that, quote: "Intermediaries that process HTTP requests or responses (i.e., any intermediary
not acting as a tunnel) MUST NOT forward a malformed request or response."

The flip-side is that tunnels are allowed to send malformed HTTP messages. As a tunnel might be coalescing messages from multiple endpoints onto a single connection, receipt of a malformed HTTP message cannot be considered as a connection-level issue.

This PR clarifies that.

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Adding in-order stream reset sounds extremely complicated at either the HTTP/3 or QUIC layers. The particular use case here does not seem compelling enough to warrant this complexity.

As stated above, if it ought to be a complicated mechanism at the HTTP/3 layer depends on the how the HTTP/3 tunnel frames the response. As we've discussed previously in #1885, an HTTP/3 intermediaries can and will have different framing strategies. When the strategy employed by an intermediary is to create a new DATA frame every time it emits something, sending a HTTP frame to indicate an error after sending all the HTTP response it has is trivial.

All that said, I think that we might not need a new frame after all.

We already allow a HTTP tunnel to send a malformed response (see the third paragraph of section 4.1.3). That tunnel might be coalescing HTTP messages going to different endpoints. That means that an endpoint should not handle a stream that contains invalid DATA frames as a connection-level issue.

I've changed #3303 to be a clarification of this requirement, which has been implicit until now.

WDYT?

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I am assuming that you are referring specifically to this paragraph?

When processing header blocks, the decoder expects the Required Insert Count to exactly match the value defined in Section 2.1.3. If it encounters a smaller value than expected, it MUST treat this as a connection error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (see Section 2.2.3). If it encounters a larger value than expected, it MAY treat this as a connection error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.

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Ah! This sounds much better. No additional complexity in HTTP/3 or QUIC? SGTM.

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----==_mimepart_5df9945ea5c8e_3b2a3fe9608cd96023684a-- From nobody Tue Dec 17 19:50:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ECF9120178 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 19:50:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DNNx4IfEUoSA for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 19:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACC8D12008F for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 19:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.19.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8236E044A for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 19:50:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576641035; bh=wdyqIKCnu+MPjCo5CxkPm+IpCLongURtvwIuSQkkWbQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HvgTtQ8XbiFlMAklT35NSyPzNc1Y2L78Ne5E1DkFGOqvqi36ghA7KAmJNWyZkMyX0 EuJRv7gLeobOFxzK3zR+ND2mplUCppxtJ8g1oT5JmtnfhVOZX88k4zmzYbDCZ3xTTA FhpD0jf1+ZTsOBdeU3afMnEz7ntuJzBre2zZZUPo= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 19:50:35 -0800 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK generation recommendation (#3304) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df9a20be1a86_61443fe96decd95c157649"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 03:50:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df9a20be1a86_61443fe96decd95c157649 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett: TCP does have a formal requirement which we cite in the recovery draft right now. From RFC 5681: ``` The delayed ACK algorithm specified in [RFC1122] SHOULD be used by a TCP receiver. When using delayed ACKs, a TCP receiver MUST NOT excessively delay acknowledgments. Specifically, an ACK SHOULD be generated for at least every second full-sized segment, and MUST be generated within 500 ms of the arrival of the first unacknowledged packet. ``` The problem is that this is quite dated and the TCP ecosystem has corrected for this by collapsing ACKs in the network. Additionally, the two major QUIC clients deployed right now -- FB and Chrome -- neither follows this recommendation. It seems silly to continue saying SHOULD when we expect it to not be followed. Also, @kazuho [raises an interesting point](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3304#issuecomment-566819837). Chrome is likely to be speaking to servers that might be using Cubic or Reno in the near future. Do you recall how serious the degradation with Chrome's ACKing scheme was? With 1/8th RTT? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3304#issuecomment-566855421 ----==_mimepart_5df9a20be1a86_61443fe96decd95c157649 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett: TCP does have a formal requirement which we cite in the recovery draft right now. From RFC 5681:

   The delayed ACK algorithm specified in [RFC1122] SHOULD be used by a
   TCP receiver.  When using delayed ACKs, a TCP receiver MUST NOT
   excessively delay acknowledgments.  Specifically, an ACK SHOULD be
   generated for at least every second full-sized segment, and MUST be
   generated within 500 ms of the arrival of the first unacknowledged
   packet.

The problem is that this is quite dated and the TCP ecosystem has corrected for this by collapsing ACKs in the network. Additionally, the two major QUIC clients deployed right now -- FB and Chrome -- neither follows this recommendation. It seems silly to continue saying SHOULD when we expect it to not be followed.

Also, @kazuho raises an interesting point. Chrome is likely to be speaking to servers that might be using Cubic or Reno in the near future. Do you recall how serious the degradation with Chrome's ACKing scheme was? With 1/8th RTT?

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Editorial suggestion, but this new scoping helps -- thanks!

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Thanks, @kazuho -- this re-framing (pun alert!) helps quite a bit. What you now have in the PR makes sense. Do you mind changing the title and description of this issue to reflect that?

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Why only after the first 100 packets? To have fine-grained feedback during ramp-up?
Yes, and to avoid potential issues during slow start.

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Malformed requests or responses that are detected MUST be treated as a stream error ({{errors}}) of type H3_GENERAL_PROTOCOL_ERROR. +A tunnel that dispatches HTTP messages to different endpoints might forward a I think that this is a "cannot" rather than a "MUST NOT". What that intermediary does is up to them. It might be inadvisable to have errors from one source affect all of the sources that share the same connection, but that's their call. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3303#discussion_r359146165 ----==_mimepart_5df9a935273b5_7cf3ffb8a8cd960160a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -536,6 +536,11 @@ not acting as a tunnel) MUST NOT forward a malformed request or response.
 Malformed requests or responses that are detected MUST be treated as a stream
 error ({{errors}}) of type H3_GENERAL_PROTOCOL_ERROR.
 
+A tunnel that dispatches HTTP messages to different endpoints might forward a

I think that this is a "cannot" rather than a "MUST NOT". What that intermediary does is up to them. It might be inadvisable to have errors from one source affect all of the sources that share the same connection, but that's their call.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -536,6 +536,11 @@ not acting as a tunnel) MUST NOT forward a malformed request or response.
 Malformed requests or responses that are detected MUST be treated as a stream
 error ({{errors}}) of type H3_GENERAL_PROTOCOL_ERROR.
 
+A tunnel that dispatches HTTP messages to different endpoints might forward a

@janaiyengar Thank you for the suggestion. Applied.

@martinthomson Yeah, MUST NOT applies to what the endpoint does when it receives a malformed message from the peer which might be an intermediary.

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----==_mimepart_5df9b58238ff6_7e213fa74a8cd968526af-- From nobody Tue Dec 17 21:29:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F5A1208A4 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 21:29:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OOXsxo_qD6pQ for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 21:29:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B61D0120098 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2019 21:29:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 21:29:50 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576646991; bh=XYEd1HgPEJjUxyQsnysCm97iQrVSZVnr6b4o/6IxtJo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=sWBER190clMwMePNgGnagcrm5eCF7rceS/ircfTOrQpgWUrcsZM3q4vC7GuxF8Awp et5w0OPHNACfXfscBFrygH5rJq0yM7oxkY/FAb1Ngl5DDJCxjgbNPz1mxlMFmuRsRF el6q2XcllgjUTGggw8Irvd2dQyjUbfghhJPE+OKw= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Forwarding upstream errors, and the implications (#3300) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5df9b94ef2f21_58883f8c73ccd960810cc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 05:29:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5df9b94ef2f21_58883f8c73ccd960810cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @janaiyengar Changed the title. Though I'm not sure if you like the new one. I think the only difference is that we are now talking about errors in the headers too. @RyanAtGoogle > No additional complexity in HTTP/3 or QUIC? SGTM. Yes. That true for what we have now in #3303. Though, unfortunately, I now realize that we have the [following provision in section 7.1](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#section-7.1-6): When a stream terminates cleanly, if the last frame on the stream was truncated, this MUST be treated as a connection error of type H3_FRAME_ERROR._ If we consider that a tunnel should be allowed to send DATA frames (or HTTP/1 chunks) that it receives from upstream as is, forwarding them frame-by-frame to downstream, and expect things to work, then we need change this provision to so that incomplete (DATA) frames at the end of the stream would be considered as a malformed response instead of a connection-level error. I would prefer making such a change, though I would anticipate hearing objections. Admittedly, it is an unnecessary complexity for clients, and for server deployments who control the origin. To this end, I wonder what other proxy vendors think. @MikeBishop @LPardue WDYT? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3300#issuecomment-566874094 ----==_mimepart_5df9b94ef2f21_58883f8c73ccd960810cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar Changed the title. Though I'm not sure if you like the new one. I think the only difference is that we are now talking about errors in the headers too.

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No additional complexity in HTTP/3 or QUIC? SGTM.

Yes. That true for what we have now in #3303.

Though, unfortunately, I now realize that we have the following provision in section 7.1: When a stream terminates cleanly, if the last frame on the stream was truncated, this MUST be treated as a connection error of type H3_FRAME_ERROR._

If we consider that a tunnel should be allowed to send DATA frames (or HTTP/1 chunks) that it receives from upstream as is, forwarding them frame-by-frame to downstream, and expect things to work, then we need change this provision to so that incomplete (DATA) frames at the end of the stream would be considered as a malformed response instead of a connection-level error.

I would prefer making such a change, though I would anticipate hearing objections. Admittedly, it is an unnecessary complexity for clients, and for server deployments who control the origin. To this end, I wonder what other proxy vendors think.

@MikeBishop @LPardue WDYT?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -801,33 +801,41 @@ limit is increased.
 
 ## Flow Credit Increments {#fc-credit}
 
-This document leaves when and how many bytes to advertise in a MAX_STREAM_DATA
-or MAX_DATA frame to implementations, but offers a few considerations.  These
-frames contribute to connection overhead.  Therefore frequently sending frames
-with small changes is undesirable.  At the same time, larger increments to
-limits are necessary to avoid blocking if updates are less frequent, requiring
-larger resource commitments at the receiver.  Thus there is a trade-off between
-resource commitment and overhead when determining how large a limit is
-advertised.
+Implementations decide when and how many bytes to advertise in MAX_STREAM_DATA
+and MAX_DATA frames. This section describes one requirement and offers a few
+considerations.
+
+A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before

Yes, it seems unnecessary. Let's do this separately in a design issue though, letting this one be editorial.

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These -frames contribute to connection overhead. Therefore frequently sending frames -with small changes is undesirable. At the same time, larger increments to -limits are necessary to avoid blocking if updates are less frequent, requiring -larger resource commitments at the receiver. Thus there is a trade-off between -resource commitment and overhead when determining how large a limit is -advertised. +Implementations decide when and how many bytes to advertise in MAX_STREAM_DATA +and MAX_DATA frames. This section describes one requirement and offers a few +considerations. + +A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before Ah, I forgot that I had thought about this and decided to leave it as it is :-) We do not require a sender to send a BLOCKED frame, and we therefore need to require receivers to not wait for this frame since it may never arrive. That's a deadlock (of a strange sort). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -801,33 +801,41 @@ limit is increased.
 
 ## Flow Credit Increments {#fc-credit}
 
-This document leaves when and how many bytes to advertise in a MAX_STREAM_DATA
-or MAX_DATA frame to implementations, but offers a few considerations.  These
-frames contribute to connection overhead.  Therefore frequently sending frames
-with small changes is undesirable.  At the same time, larger increments to
-limits are necessary to avoid blocking if updates are less frequent, requiring
-larger resource commitments at the receiver.  Thus there is a trade-off between
-resource commitment and overhead when determining how large a limit is
-advertised.
+Implementations decide when and how many bytes to advertise in MAX_STREAM_DATA
+and MAX_DATA frames. This section describes one requirement and offers a few
+considerations.
+
+A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before

Ah, I forgot that I had thought about this and decided to leave it as it is :-) We do not require a sender to send a BLOCKED frame, and we therefore need to require receivers to not wait for this frame since it may never arrive. That's a deadlock (of a strange sort).

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Fixes #3307.

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  • Allow use of token after client address change

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Agreed.

Just to give one example, it'd make sense for a server to issue a NEW_TOKEN token containing two addresses, if the client is using one path to communicate while having another path being probed and validated.

Note also that it is difficult to implement the MUST NOT that exists now. Consider the case where a client receives a NEW_TOKEN frame during or after path migration. Is the client expected to bind the token to the old IP address? Or the new address? It is hard to tell the intention of the server.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -801,33 +801,41 @@ limit is increased.
 
 ## Flow Credit Increments {#fc-credit}
 
-This document leaves when and how many bytes to advertise in a MAX_STREAM_DATA
-or MAX_DATA frame to implementations, but offers a few considerations.  These
-frames contribute to connection overhead.  Therefore frequently sending frames
-with small changes is undesirable.  At the same time, larger increments to
-limits are necessary to avoid blocking if updates are less frequent, requiring
-larger resource commitments at the receiver.  Thus there is a trade-off between
-resource commitment and overhead when determining how large a limit is
-advertised.
+Implementations decide when and how many bytes to advertise in MAX_STREAM_DATA
+and MAX_DATA frames. This section describes one requirement and offers a few
+considerations.
+
+A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before

Ah that's a good point. Rereading the entire paragraph, I think I'm less concerned about readers possibly misinterpreting the text (though, admittedly, I was a bit confused).

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I agree this seems unnecessary, given tokens cannot be used multiple times.

The worst case scenario is including the token increases the number of Initial packets the client needs to send to two packets from one and the token turns out not to be useful for address validation.

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----==_mimepart_5dfa41c68a1df_751a3f8cd46cd9642049e-- From nobody Wed Dec 18 07:13:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6B4120236 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 07:13:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IBbVRZRhqlgS for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 07:13:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FDE012004E for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 07:13:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA32B521EA9 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 07:13:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576681993; bh=scGKUfifC4YKVTgQHd9qQIPSUIUBwlMTfquJDJmXgUw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uswQh3BfbPFPYEZ/KfLDe86kcp7cU4RNTrqRXJg1U9QyL03iGN7CFp945b1wQPF7K 9PPhQeXEXgKHUFfZUGnNdm9NUHxaWAwx+fehKCPnizyNLb896Yvut5pOSxbILUR7u7 vFeQscByyuheX28jg4shSuMPlAkpO0os/dErSv3A= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 07:13:13 -0800 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow use of token after client address change (#3308) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dfa4209ac1cb_5e073f94f80cd95c2565e7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 15:13:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dfa4209ac1cb_5e073f94f80cd95c2565e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett approved this pull request. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3308#pullrequestreview-334041610 ----==_mimepart_5dfa4209ac1cb_5e073f94f80cd95c2565e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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As is clear from the PR, this should be marked design.

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----==_mimepart_5dfa4b007bdd7_26493ff638ecd95c479229-- From nobody Wed Dec 18 09:50:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F18120969 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 09:50:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bpfCQrlKacc2 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 09:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C206120241 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 09:50:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-a6a2749.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-a6a2749.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.62]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08949A0921 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 09:50:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576691423; bh=8oKp3CUZ4lZdohIc11xbbDXAiMcUOnf/SJ5HPcBneuM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mxYuikB1uedPcU7+Gtn7b74ubakDfc3On3y1s5Z+FHbVy18yYNpKjguMh++O0eBLP NlMBAxHQcWAyCQhScTc3916PUjnv0KlTbcLosOGtHD0ZJ0jP0oF6nwPTlBLB7M2qd5 MacORPYpxK9Dzdfic0qE1xHIP42uXOYuWNL112kc= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 09:50:22 -0800 From: Yang Chi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK generation recommendation (#3304) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dfa66deee64a_3a303f9c79ccd968211769"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: yangchi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 17:50:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dfa66deee64a_3a303f9c79ccd968211769 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Chrome is likely to be speaking to servers that might be using Cubic or Reno in the near future. Do you recall how serious the degradation with Chrome's ACKing scheme was? With 1/8th RTT? Shouldn't that largely depend on server implementation? Server implements ack handling poorly vs Server implements it OK will have very different throughput for the same ack frequency from the same peer, assuming everything else equal. And that's why using a specific recommendation in the draft is tricky. This is a receiver behavior, but it's the sender that knows what's the best way to do it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3304#issuecomment-567139775 ----==_mimepart_5dfa66deee64a_3a303f9c79ccd968211769 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Chrome is likely to be speaking to servers that might be using Cubic or Reno in the near future. Do you recall how serious the degradation with Chrome's ACKing scheme was? With 1/8th RTT?

Shouldn't that largely depend on server implementation? Server implements ack handling poorly vs Server implements it OK will have very different throughput for the same ack frequency from the same peer, assuming everything else equal.

And that's why using a specific recommendation in the draft is tricky. This is a receiver behavior, but it's the sender that knows what's the best way to do it.

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----==_mimepart_5dfa66deee64a_3a303f9c79ccd968211769-- From nobody Wed Dec 18 10:40:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E758E120ADD for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 10:40:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iOIbK1Qz5e-X for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 10:40:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5515E120ACF for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 10:40:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 10:40:18 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576694418; bh=TVVnUtb0inRDauThTWPaJ/pn5kokl1f7ZOLuLfTzJCI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=c5gD/CEZbb8wXFt8NDNtaViB2skjaF2zXzucvS/N9ieNDI+xXn6SgjtcE6WMyDCwh qYXHoCNe6YTIjX6bhzS+WxYHOx6GX2kRUr5nERQh12Eygz1xY414B6lrYcZaYhMbRy T8PktXcmPM2PUWLH2gJKV3i30w9zKnPALO7RGKuw= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Forwarding upstream errors, and the implications (#3300) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dfa72929e9c4_3b583ff9d64cd960330216"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 18:40:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dfa72929e9c4_3b583ff9d64cd960330216 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wasn't following this discussion so closely, so IIUC the problem is that the stream cannot end abruptly or else there are no guarantess from QUIC layer that the DATA will arrive at the HTTP client. Closing cleanly would ensure DATA is delivered but triggers h3-24 section 7.1. > If we consider that a tunnel should be allowed to send DATA frames (or HTTP/1 chunks) that it receives from upstream as is, To invoke the problem, an intermediary would have needed to committed a DATA frame of length `N`, to stream offset `O`, then attempt to fin the stream at offset `F`, which is less than `O+N`. I can see several scenarios that this might occur in an intermediary and it would be quite unfortunate to cause a connection close. Since request streams are the only core streams that can be cleanly closed without blowing up the connection I think the middle ground might be to state something like: an endpoint that receives truncated leading HEADERS or PUSH_PROMISE should treat it as a connection error. Truncation of DATA and non-leading HEADERS is ok. Extension frames or streams need to consider truncation and specify the behaviour. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3300#issuecomment-567158031 ----==_mimepart_5dfa72929e9c4_3b583ff9d64cd960330216 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I wasn't following this discussion so closely, so IIUC the problem is that the stream cannot end abruptly or else there are no guarantess from QUIC layer that the DATA will arrive at the HTTP client. Closing cleanly would ensure DATA is delivered but triggers h3-24 section 7.1.

If we consider that a tunnel should be allowed to send DATA frames (or HTTP/1 chunks) that it receives from upstream as is,

To invoke the problem, an intermediary would have needed to committed a DATA frame of length N, to stream offset O, then attempt to fin the stream at offset F, which is less than O+N. I can see several scenarios that this might occur in an intermediary and it would be quite unfortunate to cause a connection close.

Since request streams are the only core streams that can be cleanly closed without blowing up the connection I think the middle ground might be to state something like: an endpoint that receives truncated leading HEADERS or PUSH_PROMISE should treat it as a connection error. Truncation of DATA and non-leading HEADERS is ok. Extension frames or streams need to consider truncation and specify the behaviour.

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----==_mimepart_5dfa72929e9c4_3b583ff9d64cd960330216-- From nobody Wed Dec 18 12:16:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 634C5120967 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 12:16:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oMflSNAzT8Mp for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 12:16:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7DE5120A77 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 12:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3982660C38 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2019 12:16:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576700200; bh=aqkS1qyyNDrygzXP1jdQ02GK5K7TiMlUBkOLcXP7NZE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=uGa5uVFxZiO6GQKOEcbj4PbEvhH+DBowFKBAU1DRcQj6H8N30CyMKvnvUaUJhxB+2 OwVqptnpsyk8GypTUYoOJmbfV3Wx7JMljK0BGwq+rEY9blnePNSpMxNkpuBNydJIU9 kYvozCSNzId+byuf72rEWS6EIL22wh9tziM6wdvM= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 12:16:40 -0800 From: Junho Choi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK generation recommendation (#3304) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dfa8928c3bde_da23fdf364cd95c444676"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: junhochoi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 20:16:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dfa8928c3bde_da23fdf364cd95c444676 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cloudflare(quiche) is implementing Reno at this point (and will soon add more congestion controls). Since now there is a variety of parties implementing/choosing their own choice of congestion control module (Reno as in the draft, Cubic is mentioned, Google has BBR(v2), Facebook has COPA...), I think it's good to keep a general strategy in the draft (every-2-packet ack is what TCP recommends so I think it's fine for most cases). But worth mentioing alternative strategy is possible (what Chromes does, or something like linux TCP_QUICKACK?) If we want to use TP, I think Server may send its congestion control algorithm using a transport parameter so that Client can pick up its own ack strategy if needed. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3304#issuecomment-567195670 ----==_mimepart_5dfa8928c3bde_da23fdf364cd95c444676 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Cloudflare(quiche) is implementing Reno at this point (and will soon add more congestion controls). Since now there is a variety of parties implementing/choosing their own choice of congestion control module (Reno as in the draft, Cubic is mentioned, Google has BBR(v2), Facebook has COPA...), I think it's good to keep a general strategy in the draft (every-2-packet ack is what TCP recommends so I think it's fine for most cases). But worth mentioing alternative strategy is possible (what Chromes does, or something like linux TCP_QUICKACK?)

If we want to use TP, I think Server may send its congestion control algorithm using a transport parameter so that Client can pick up its own ack strategy if needed.

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+1 to GMAC, though I care much more about resolving this (as one of the few remaining wire image issues) prior to draft-25 than what the actual outcome is.

I think it's important that draft-25 be the last wire image change for a while.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -801,33 +801,41 @@ limit is increased.
 
 ## Flow Credit Increments {#fc-credit}
 
-This document leaves when and how many bytes to advertise in a MAX_STREAM_DATA
-or MAX_DATA frame to implementations, but offers a few considerations.  These
-frames contribute to connection overhead.  Therefore frequently sending frames
-with small changes is undesirable.  At the same time, larger increments to
-limits are necessary to avoid blocking if updates are less frequent, requiring
-larger resource commitments at the receiver.  Thus there is a trade-off between
-resource commitment and overhead when determining how large a limit is
-advertised.
+Implementations decide when and how many bytes to advertise in MAX_STREAM_DATA
+and MAX_DATA frames. This section describes one requirement and offers a few
+considerations.
+
+A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before

I've rephrased and moved the text around a bit, so hopefully it's clearer now.

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These -frames contribute to connection overhead. Therefore frequently sending frames -with small changes is undesirable. At the same time, larger increments to -limits are necessary to avoid blocking if updates are less frequent, requiring -larger resource commitments at the receiver. Thus there is a trade-off between -resource commitment and overhead when determining how large a limit is -advertised. +Implementations decide when and how many bytes to advertise in MAX_STREAM_DATA +and MAX_DATA frames. This section describes one requirement and offers a few +considerations. + +A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before Indeed it is. Thank you for the change. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -801,33 +801,41 @@ limit is increased.
 
 ## Flow Credit Increments {#fc-credit}
 
-This document leaves when and how many bytes to advertise in a MAX_STREAM_DATA
-or MAX_DATA frame to implementations, but offers a few considerations.  These
-frames contribute to connection overhead.  Therefore frequently sending frames
-with small changes is undesirable.  At the same time, larger increments to
-limits are necessary to avoid blocking if updates are less frequent, requiring
-larger resource commitments at the receiver.  Thus there is a trade-off between
-resource commitment and overhead when determining how large a limit is
-advertised.
+Implementations decide when and how many bytes to advertise in MAX_STREAM_DATA
+and MAX_DATA frames. This section describes one requirement and offers a few
+considerations.
+
+A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before

Indeed it is. Thank you for the change.

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@yangchi:

Shouldn't that largely depend on server implementation?

Yes, specifically the congestion controller. My question was directed at @ianswett, about experiments with Chrome's strategy for a server that does Cubic. My point is that the client here (Chrome) has decided to use an ACKing strategy that works well with BBR (that's what Google servers use), but as Ian notes, that strategy may cause perf regressions for a server that speaks Cubic or Reno. Since most QUIC servers out there are unlikely to be speaking BBR (this is simply my assertion), my question was about the extent of this degradation.

I understand why this is not simple, and that is why I've opened this issue -- we have a recommendation right now in the draft that suggests that we know a good answer.

I will send out a PR shortly, which should help make this conversation more concrete.

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But I haven't done that yet. @janaiyengar Your points are very strong. We have a loads of evidence from QUIC and TCP that acking every 2 packets is not the right choice in many circumstances, so saying SHOULD seems quite odd. On the other hand, I feel like we punted this issue when it was raised before(#1978 ), and I feel like this is a bit late to make large changes. @junhochoi I would prefer to avoid sending a congestion controller, since that limits innovation going forward(ie: what if someone uses a new CC?). Here are some possible options(feel free to suggest others): 1) We make the existing text a default, but not really a recommendation: ie: You should ACK every two packets, unless you know better. 2) We add a 'fraction of RTT' ack aggregation transport param that a peer can specify, which kicks in at 'some point' when the receiver thinks the sender is out of slow start or the receiver sending too many ACKs per RTT. Also limit the number of packets in a single ACK to IW, in order to limit bursts to IW. 3) We add a frame for "Number of packets before sending an ACK", as discussed in #1978 4) We say something about not ACKing more frequently than the timer granularity, unless IW has arrived. 5) We say you have to ACK every IW and within max_ack_delay, and that's it. If you want an immediate ACK, skip a packet number. This has costs in terms of ack frame size and datastructure size, and means we have to be more conservative about how many times to send an immediate ACK after receiving a gap(ie: probably only once). There are(at least) three resources being conserved here: Sender CPU, Receiver CPU, and path bandwidth(or transmission opportunities, packet counts, etc), so no one has perfect information. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@kazuho I was hoping to have the Chrome default be ACK every two packets and then use a frame or TP to change the behavior everywhere we're running BBR. But I haven't done that yet.

@janaiyengar Your points are very strong. We have a loads of evidence from QUIC and TCP that acking every 2 packets is not the right choice in many circumstances, so saying SHOULD seems quite odd. On the other hand, I feel like we punted this issue when it was raised before(#1978 ), and I feel like this is a bit late to make large changes.

@junhochoi I would prefer to avoid sending a congestion controller, since that limits innovation going forward(ie: what if someone uses a new CC?).

Here are some possible options(feel free to suggest others):

  1. We make the existing text a default, but not really a recommendation: ie: You should ACK every two packets, unless you know better.
  2. We add a 'fraction of RTT' ack aggregation transport param that a peer can specify, which kicks in at 'some point' when the receiver thinks the sender is out of slow start or the receiver sending too many ACKs per RTT. Also limit the number of packets in a single ACK to IW, in order to limit bursts to IW.
  3. We add a frame for "Number of packets before sending an ACK", as discussed in #1978
  4. We say something about not ACKing more frequently than the timer granularity, unless IW has arrived.
  5. We say you have to ACK every IW and within max_ack_delay, and that's it. If you want an immediate ACK, skip a packet number. This has costs in terms of ack frame size and datastructure size, and means we have to be more conservative about how many times to send an immediate ACK after receiving a gap(ie: probably only once).

There are(at least) three resources being conserved here: Sender CPU, Receiver CPU, and path bandwidth(or transmission opportunities, packet counts, etc), so no one has perfect information.

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@janaiyengar In terms of 'how bad was 1/8RTT with Cubic', I can't find any results, only results for 1/4 RTT. 1/8RTT was an option added after 1/4RTT was tested and showed a clear regression, so possibly it was never tested with Cubic. That was around the time BBR was being developed, so I think the focus was on BBR.

If we head in the direction of recommending a fixed fraction, I'll need to re-run those experiments with Cubic to quantify the regression.

I'll note the way Chrome implements 1/4 and 1/8RTT ACK decimation means it takes the min of max_ack_delay and the RTT fraction, so in some cases receivers will send more ACKs for a given max_ack_delay.
https://cs.chromium.org/chromium/src/net/third_party/quiche/src/quic/core/quic_received_packet_manager.cc?sq=package:chromium&g=0&l=246

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In either case, the close signal never overtakes the partial payload.

This is not true, or at least not universal. It's entirely legitimate for a TCP stack to dump anything that's in buffers (unread by the application) and immediately surface the TCP RST. The reset can and does overtake partial payload in places.

We already allow a HTTP tunnel to send a malformed response (see the third paragraph of section 4.1.3). That tunnel might be coalescing HTTP messages going to different endpoints. That means that an endpoint should not handle a stream that contains invalid DATA frames as a connection-level issue.

That's not my understanding of that paragraph. It says that if an intermediary receives a malformed response, it MUST NOT forward it and MUST treat receipt of the malformed response as a stream error. This is unclear in two ways we need to correct:

  • First, it doesn't say whether the specified error should be sent upstream or downstream. I believe this intends to say it resets the upstream stream that sent it a malformed response.
  • Second, assuming the first answer, it doesn't specify what to send downstream instead of forwarding the malformed response.

I would propose that we need YAEC to signal an aborted response upstream.

The suggestion that we send as much as we can, then cleanly terminate the stream disturbs me. I'm inclined to take a hard line here and keep the text that intermediaries shouldn't be forwarding known broken responses. That way lies consistency bugs. You forward data as long as it's valid; if it becomes invalid, then you forward a RESET_STREAM that indicates the upstream is no longer talking sense.

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----==_mimepart_5dfbce0e56b8f_17c93fa8388cd9603345a2-- From nobody Thu Dec 19 11:33:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4091C120AEF for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 11:33:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qy9-4njki0K5 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 11:33:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25E93120C78 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 11:33:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 11:33:29 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576784009; bh=0AyCbnrCmwm2CPYy0qfz/iExx+CSm/KKwPcYmQYMbvE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WBqO51XaT8GDYY2isIITAI3MrsUVnoeilnrmKISYqSlexmGqRjYtkOaWhJ03iick3 cTqk/2QjmHkIiBwJEOQ1uojNYmv2UI1SMcMjEsQNOjz3d/p245Lmka1I5bdcWR6LS7 +Xo8mZhwTIwUC2Brk0mk2XQh/iEZn76C1N1FyS70= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Forwarding upstream errors, and the implications (#3300) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dfbd08938d89_39943fd7c2acd96822133d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 19:33:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dfbd08938d89_39943fd7c2acd96822133d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah, I see -- you're keying off the language that says an intermediary might not process the message and therefore might not notice that the message is malformed. I agree that an intermediary that deliberately doesn't check for message validity wouldn't trigger this requirement for things like missing pseudo-headers. I'm less sanguine about saying the tunnel could silently pass through things like truncated frames, unknown frame types, etc. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3300#issuecomment-567631045 ----==_mimepart_5dfbd08938d89_39943fd7c2acd96822133d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Ah, I see -- you're keying off the language that says an intermediary might not process the message and therefore might not notice that the message is malformed. I agree that an intermediary that deliberately doesn't check for message validity wouldn't trigger this requirement for things like missing pseudo-headers.

I'm less sanguine about saying the tunnel could silently pass through things like truncated frames, unknown frame types, etc.

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The "finds no reason to do so" is a functional, not performance, bug in the encoder.

I interpreted this as saying that the encoder produced a RIC for entries that don't exist in the table yet and perhaps never will. The bug is still producing a RIC that isn't referenced in the encoded header block.

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A few more suggestions, but this looks close. > @@ -801,33 +801,37 @@ limit is increased. ## Flow Credit Increments {#fc-credit} How about "Managing Flow Control"? > -If a sender runs out of flow control credit, it will be unable to send new data -and is considered blocked. It is generally considered best to not let the -sender become blocked. To avoid blocking a sender, and to reasonably account -for the possibility of loss, a receiver should send a MAX_DATA or -MAX_STREAM_DATA frame at least two round trips before it expects the sender to -get blocked. - -A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before -sending MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA, since doing so will mean that a sender will -be blocked for at least an entire round trip, and potentially for longer if the -peer chooses to not send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frames. +implementations. As an optimization, an endpoint could send frames related to +flow control only when there are other frames to send or when a peer is blocked, +ensuring that flow control does not cause extra packets to be sent. + +A sender that is blocked could choose to not send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or ```suggestion A blocked sender is not required to send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or ``` > -MAX_STREAM_DATA frame at least two round trips before it expects the sender to -get blocked. - -A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before -sending MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA, since doing so will mean that a sender will -be blocked for at least an entire round trip, and potentially for longer if the -peer chooses to not send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frames. +implementations. As an optimization, an endpoint could send frames related to +flow control only when there are other frames to send or when a peer is blocked, +ensuring that flow control does not cause extra packets to be sent. + +A sender that is blocked could choose to not send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or +DATA_BLOCKED frames. Therefore, a receiver MUST NOT wait for a +STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before sending a MAX_STREAM_DATA or +MAX_DATA frame; doing so could result in the sender being blocked for the rest +of the connection. Even if the sender sent these frames, waiting for them will ```suggestion of the connection. Even if the sender sends these frames, waiting for them will ``` > -A receiver MUST NOT wait for a STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before -sending MAX_STREAM_DATA or MAX_DATA, since doing so will mean that a sender will -be blocked for at least an entire round trip, and potentially for longer if the -peer chooses to not send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frames. +implementations. As an optimization, an endpoint could send frames related to +flow control only when there are other frames to send or when a peer is blocked, +ensuring that flow control does not cause extra packets to be sent. + +A sender that is blocked could choose to not send STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or +DATA_BLOCKED frames. Therefore, a receiver MUST NOT wait for a +STREAM_DATA_BLOCKED or DATA_BLOCKED frame before sending a MAX_STREAM_DATA or +MAX_DATA frame; doing so could result in the sender being blocked for the rest +of the connection. Even if the sender sent these frames, waiting for them will +result in the sender being blocked for at least an entire round trip. + +When a sender receives credit after being blocked, it can send a large amount of ```suggestion When a sender receives credit after being blocked, it may be able to send a large amount of ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3301#pullrequestreview-334967789 ----==_mimepart_5dfbf70fc11d3_53153fd6090cd9641132ee Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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A few more suggestions, but this looks close.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

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 ## Flow Credit Increments {#fc-credit}

That seems too general. I'm not in love with what we have, but I prefer it because it's more specific.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Dec 19 21:40:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D7A120819 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 21:40:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QXOBmQQU1D4A for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 21:40:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1793F120043 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2019 21:40:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2019 21:40:23 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576820423; bh=2TE7NTpivGOeAX398/LyhtE9oKcjLh5Zb59Cotadfm4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aZa33iSMVjx8Kgn5Dr9sI66x1622drbGVaoPcGUDXsIRpwOJaq1axHNlPJiUez6n9 sejXnNUd0SVXOCv2cWRtEjfGeqTcvknWLp/3aoxjDF68HzbyFa6qfA9OJpCBfrLTMZ Y9iqGrf7WmuEA5TjWewaa1QbS7/gOlUOiEce/XHw= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Forwarding upstream errors, and the implications (#3300) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dfc5ec73b5d4_3aad3fbba3ccd96029839e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 05:40:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dfc5ec73b5d4_3aad3fbba3ccd96029839e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @LPardue @MikeBishop Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I can see the hesitation against requiring endpoints (clients) to consider partial frame at the end of stream as stream-level errors (rather than connection-level problem). Maybe what we want to discuss first is: Q1. Do intermediary developers (especially of those that talk to servers owned by different organizational entities) want to deliver the partial response that they've received from upstream to downstream, before tearing down the stream? Q2. Do we need a mechanism for signaling such behavior? That mechanism can be a partial frame at the end of the stream, or could be a new HTTP/3 frame. Or if the answer to this question is no, then, people wanting to do Q1 need to send the partial response body, wait for all the ACKs, then send a stream reset. My answer to Q1 is a strong yes, and Q2 is a weaker yes. 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@LPardue @MikeBishop Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

I can see the hesitation against requiring endpoints (clients) to consider partial frame at the end of stream as stream-level errors (rather than connection-level problem).

Maybe what we want to discuss first is:

Q1. Do intermediary developers (especially of those that talk to servers owned by different organizational entities) want to deliver the partial response that they've received from upstream to downstream, before tearing down the stream?

Q2. Do we need a mechanism for signaling such behavior? That mechanism can be a partial frame at the end of the stream, or could be a new HTTP/3 frame. Or if the answer to this question is no, then, people wanting to do Q1 need to send the partial response body, wait for all the ACKs, then send a stream reset.

My answer to Q1 is a strong yes, and Q2 is a weaker yes. I'd prefer having a simple signaling mechanism (partly because I think everybody should do Q1), but for myself, I can resort to the complex way of delaying the emission of stream reset.

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As a datapoint, quant currently ACKs every burst, and that is too infrequently. But two packets caused way to much over heads at gigabit speeds. Some better strategy would be highly appreciated.

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Please fix the PR title.

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@martinthomson Does something like "Receipt of malformed message is a stream-level error, as a tunnel might forward them" sounds OK to you?

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@larseggert Can you clarify what "ACK every burst" is? Is this along the lines of the optimization described in recovery: "As an optimization, a receiver MAY process multiple packets before sending any ACK frames in response. In this case the receiver can determine whether an immediate or delayed acknowledgement should be generated after processing incoming packets."

Would adding an "Always ACK every IW to limit bursts" be a helpful addition?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -801,33 +801,37 @@ limit is increased.
 
 ## Flow Credit Increments {#fc-credit}

I can see that. These flow control sections are a bit too long for my liking, but it's good enough for now.

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As proposed on the issue, this removes the DUPLICATE_PUSH frame and permits duplicate PUSH_PROMISE frames which are required to have identical headers.

Fixes #3275.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3309

Commit Summary

  • Remove DUPLICATE_PUSH and allow duplicate PUSH_PROMISE

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----==_mimepart_5dfcf181b9501_7d2b3fa5cf4cd95c15178a2-- From nobody Fri Dec 20 08:07:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60254120128 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 08:07:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6wANtoIPcT8S for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 08:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0ACBC12012E for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 08:07:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.31]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D4C8C0E23 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 08:07:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576858061; bh=020yyQlkD/K6qJgvDMtPPzoPdwpv9fKLFcr2oL+RiG8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IOtGwY4FB7FL8XNwcdhd42DD9dM/4yS4XoYDJqx57bzVS/OJPWXy5tF/EZfrWcJc0 w6mV+khVy8GvkF1rJ1QLI0x0q9Ie7qPLQTHR3KkRNXrQoMSnXDcSR0aNNR+JlLWzLc EUN09i2crxrh6xV2W5OqvTtXo8AcP0HqEA/b8rBU= Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 08:07:41 -0800 From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Why are there two ways of associating push with requests? (#3275) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dfcf1cd440ce_20a63faf1facd95c163545b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 16:07:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dfcf1cd440ce_20a63faf1facd95c163545b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not sure if I'm doing Gituhub right, but I just cooked up a PR to remove DUPLICATE_PUSH and permit duplicate PUSH_PROMISE frames which must contain the same headers. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3275#issuecomment-567977291 ----==_mimepart_5dfcf1cd440ce_20a63faf1facd95c163545b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Not sure if I'm doing Gituhub right, but I just cooked up a PR to remove DUPLICATE_PUSH and permit duplicate PUSH_PROMISE frames which must contain the same headers.

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@ianswett approved this pull request.

I think this LG, but certainly @MikeBishop should take a look

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> -become available, or can initiate requests for discovered resources and cancel
-the requests if the requested resource is already being pushed. When a client
-receives a new push stream with an as-yet-unknown Push ID, both the associated
-client request and the pushed request headers are unknown.  The client can
-buffer the stream data in expectation of the matching PUSH_PROMISE. The client
-can use stream flow control (see section 4.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to limit the
-amount of data a server may commit to the pushed stream.
+Due to reordering, push stream data can arrive before the corresponding
+PUSH_PROMISE frame.  When a client receives a new push stream with an
+as-yet-unknown Push ID, both the associated client request and the pushed
+request headers are unknown.  The client can buffer the stream data in
+expectation of the matching PUSH_PROMISE. The client can use stream flow control
+(see section 4.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to limit the amount of data a server may
+commit to the pushed stream.
+
+If the same Push ID is promised on multiple request streams, the decompressed

I might be inclined to put this at the end of the paragraph on lines 623/624?

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Didnt we say on the issue that push promise should include a URL in order to improve the chances of detecting conflicts if we remove duplicate push?

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@kazuho: I'll suggest "Clarify behavior for HTTP tunnels" as a better title

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----==_mimepart_5dfd2e86e134c_767f3ff9cf6cd960235645-- From nobody Fri Dec 20 12:54:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF2C1209D1 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:54:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mE9T2A8t0y_X for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:54:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CE21120859 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:54:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 12:54:37 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1576875277; bh=BopRKLI3S5AqRsyp1PNmfxiOw5c1ditSdJRbjkJ/P+8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=tjxyBtTFpG4C3P++3uFI8GaZ7q8UjPc3E0lMXSsZKsmhXW5uqM+aW2EQimeLDX9me QLoq9x5gOs8kvMqFJ3cZAvX/j4kF/gAjasBFgVyqA1zPPW8NonJDmCzfIgDT9m1xHI M6hE9xcehaAKfV9ZC2HtZIc8HHY58/lrGIuNDN4Y= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove DUPLICATE_PUSH and allow duplicate PUSH_PROMISE (#3309) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5dfd350da99b5_5b3e3fbb912cd9681828eb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 20:54:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5dfd350da99b5_5b3e3fbb912cd9681828eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Didnt we say on the issue that push promise should include a URL in order to improve the chances of detecting conflicts if we remove duplicate push? The PUSH_PROMISE includes the full request headers, including the URL, right? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3309#issuecomment-568083521 ----==_mimepart_5dfd350da99b5_5b3e3fbb912cd9681828eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Didnt we say on the issue that push promise should include a URL in order to improve the chances of detecting conflicts if we remove duplicate push?

The PUSH_PROMISE includes the full request headers, including the URL, right?

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Either works. "Forwarding status of errors on streams"

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

LGTM modulo one editorial point.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -603,11 +602,10 @@ client making the indicated request.  This trades off network usage against a
 potential latency gain.  HTTP/3 server push is similar to what is described in
 HTTP/2 {{!HTTP2}}, but uses different mechanisms.
 
-Each server push is identified by a unique Push ID. This Push ID is used in a
-single PUSH_PROMISE frame (see {{frame-push-promise}}) which carries the request
-headers, possibly included in one or more DUPLICATE_PUSH frames (see
-{{frame-duplicate-push}}), then included with the push stream which ultimately
-fulfills those promises.
+Each server push is identified by a unique Push ID. This Push ID is used in all
+PUSH_PROMISE frames (see {{frame-push-promise}}) which carries the request
+headers, then included with the push stream which ultimately fulfills those
+promises.

It might be better to more explicit to say "one or more" than "all", like following, clarifying that the values MUST be the same when sent more than once.

This Push ID is used in one or more PUSH_PROMISE frames (see {{frame-push-promise}}) that carry the request headers, then included with the push stream which ultimately fulfills those promises. When the same Push ID is promised on multiple request streams, the decompressed request header fields MUST be byte-for-byte identical.

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I'm less sanguine about saying the tunnel could silently pass through things like truncated frames, unknown frame types, etc.

It seems to me that we don't need to specify what tunnels ought to do but recognize what tunnels might do. The way I read it, Kazuho's proposed recommendation makes sense when a tunnel passes a partial response through, as H2O does and others might as well.

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@RyanAtGoogle commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -603,11 +602,10 @@ client making the indicated request.  This trades off network usage against a
 potential latency gain.  HTTP/3 server push is similar to what is described in
 HTTP/2 {{!HTTP2}}, but uses different mechanisms.
 
-Each server push is identified by a unique Push ID. This Push ID is used in a
-single PUSH_PROMISE frame (see {{frame-push-promise}}) which carries the request
-headers, possibly included in one or more DUPLICATE_PUSH frames (see
-{{frame-duplicate-push}}), then included with the push stream which ultimately
-fulfills those promises.
+Each server push is identified by a unique Push ID. This Push ID is used in all
+PUSH_PROMISE frames (see {{frame-push-promise}}) which carries the request
+headers, then included with the push stream which ultimately fulfills those
+promises.

Good call. Done.

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Yes, I implement the optimization, but that doesn't work so well when multiple = hundreds.

I wonder if once pre IW is still too frequently at gigabit speeds.

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I am a yes for Q1. For Q2, if we wanted to pursue another frame type I don't (yet?) understand how it would work, won't the usefulness of the frame be subject to the size of DATA frames that people chose to use?

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I like ACK every 10 (after the initial 100 received packets) as the basic recommendation. This is consistent with the idea that a sender can release packets in 10's (IW) ... and for rates of 10's -100's Mbps this provides a significant benefit in the case we looked at in terms of not being limited by paths that have asymmetry (it also helps with CPU usage) - which is where we arrived at in our PANRG talk. For example, without this the satellite broadband systems we work perform significantly worse than currently. Many networks have deployed ways to do this for TCP, and it's important we don't make experience with QUIC much worse than it needs to be on the paths that care about this.

At higher rates, you may well benefit from doing more - especially to reduce endpoint processing - but I think that such larger changes (e.g., to 1/4 RTT) do interact with the CC and that level of change requires a lot more thought - because it interacts with other mechanisms.

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----==_mimepart_5dff3c6812add_5b203fef828cd96052291e-- From nobody Sun Dec 22 17:54:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A79A120048 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:54:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B1Wxr9-Ng2ni for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 282DD120026 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8AF1C0AB5 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:54:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1577066051; bh=qyEeAV3Z1mVev3AXEeM8FOYibIjcFdH/ozzxlKq5ZKU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w9AC18kcZ3Ijc37KZ9lBdFg6kJ4V2fJLT6T80tmODJ5vuf05POfMT/an4X1/GAaCD Js9xTR6WRzwdxkp6yzBRGtEdBBNz1P2cDfjw9p9zo7ke2x7iQMdNbcfW0EwnRvgLeU kE0CpWC3iHMn5JwJHhybQmcFvKgTmknk3kXHM2WY= Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2019 17:54:11 -0800 From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK generation recommendation (#3304) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5e001e433fb38_439e3f8c75ccd9682604d4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 01:54:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5e001e433fb38_439e3f8c75ccd9682604d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been experimenting with various ACK reduction schemes in picoquic, larely as part of experimentation with satellite link. There are two distinct motivations: CPU reduction, and asymmetric links in which the return path is much narrower than the data path. In the asymmetric scenario, acking every two packets leads to a lot queuing and losses on the return path. The end to end delay becomes very large, and the default congestion controller becomes very confused. In these paths, ack reduction is essential. The right thing to do is probably to write control loop that increases the ACK interval when detecting ACK congestion. I have not written that yet, and did something simpler: just go to interval=10 when the delay is long and the bandwidth is high enough. The actual algorithm in Picoquic is: ``` if more than 128 packets received: if rtt_min > 100ms and receive_rate > 10MB/s: ack_gap = 10 else if no_holes_detected ack_gap = 4 else if FIN received on last active stream: ack_gap=1 else ack_gap=2 ``` The max_ack_delay is set to: ``` max( 1ms, min(25ms, RTT/4)) ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3304#issuecomment-568327335 ----==_mimepart_5e001e433fb38_439e3f8c75ccd9682604d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I have been experimenting with various ACK reduction schemes in picoquic, larely as part of experimentation with satellite link. There are two distinct motivations: CPU reduction, and asymmetric links in which the return path is much narrower than the data path.

In the asymmetric scenario, acking every two packets leads to a lot queuing and losses on the return path. The end to end delay becomes very large, and the default congestion controller becomes very confused. In these paths, ack reduction is essential. The right thing to do is probably to write control loop that increases the ACK interval when detecting ACK congestion. I have not written that yet, and did something simpler: just go to interval=10 when the delay is long and the bandwidth is high enough.

The actual algorithm in Picoquic is:

if more than 128 packets received:
    if rtt_min > 100ms and receive_rate > 10MB/s:
        ack_gap = 10
    else if no_holes_detected
        ack_gap = 4
else if FIN received on last active stream:
    ack_gap=1
else
    ack_gap=2

The max_ack_delay is set to:

    max( 1ms, min(25ms, RTT/4))

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The reason with not going above ack_gap=4 in the normal case is similar to what @ianswett mentioned: the gap 10 does cause regression in some of the test scenarios. The funky test on last active stream is also there to avoid some regression, because the sender is typically trying to resend the non-acked packets, so acking sooner results in better performance overall. The test on 128 packets is because of slow start, large ack intervals there do cause regressions.

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I really dislike gratuitous changes at this stage in the process!

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@martinthomson Thank you for the suggestion. Done.

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----==_mimepart_5e0072584a9f8_6a973fcab2ccd9607182e4-- From nobody Mon Dec 23 00:55:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DE3120074 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 00:55:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q54hSjcdU6kR for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 00:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 10D05120025 for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 00:55:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-25680bd.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-25680bd.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.61]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69816C60E1E for ; Mon, 23 Dec 2019 00:55:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1577091330; bh=6dMKM6lsECh4UlP/K64To5/gQiFv+Qxo7LhBoQsR7JI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KiIL9EXJ6O+PZUAkmHappPXPyFmbx+HsTLvxEYJ9m2+S5tcgfi4m78Z+PjpfLE5Jd YRsOrvf69Ly7T/7tlUM7TFI/xqQdbFToA7lCYMjeZ7ySgirgIOHVjS6oDfz4dGZzAV mjlGhh8lEBszVyIiKe8Is4Up2IS5k27+mtfl8TDA= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 00:55:30 -0800 From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK generation recommendation (#3304) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5e0081025bcfa_591c3ff5e7ecd96c54305e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 08:55:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5e0081025bcfa_591c3ff5e7ecd96c54305e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree keeping 1:2 (or even 1:4) is useful for low-rate flows, age 1:2 in TCP originated at a time when rates were << 1 Mbps. The decision to switch based on number of packets received or some heuristic based on ACK rate is probably what is needed: Detecting the impact of ACKs by looking for an overloaded return path is very hard - basically a design needs to understand there is "cost" to sending ACKs - sending an ACK every other data packet consumes 1/3 of transmit opportunities in overhead. That's expensive in radio resource - however the value fails to take into account that in many scenarios the physical layer is less efficient in the return direction (for various physical reasons) and will result in greatly increased cost and/or greater variability if the ACK rate is high. There is a reason why RFC3349 mechanisms have been widely used with TCP for over 25 years - however, I'd suggest 10 Mbps of data is already making a rather high ACK rate, probably 1 Mbps is nearer the point at which the cost matters. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3304#issuecomment-568407752 ----==_mimepart_5e0081025bcfa_591c3ff5e7ecd96c54305e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree keeping 1:2 (or even 1:4) is useful for low-rate flows, age 1:2 in TCP originated at a time when rates were << 1 Mbps.

The decision to switch based on number of packets received or some heuristic based on ACK rate is probably what is needed: Detecting the impact of ACKs by looking for an overloaded return path is very hard - basically a design needs to understand there is "cost" to sending ACKs - sending an ACK every other data packet consumes 1/3 of transmit opportunities in overhead. That's expensive in radio resource - however the value fails to take into account that in many scenarios the physical layer is less efficient in the return direction (for various physical reasons) and will result in greatly increased cost and/or greater variability if the ACK rate is high. There is a reason why RFC3349 mechanisms have been widely used with TCP for over 25 years - however, I'd suggest 10 Mbps of data is already making a rather high ACK rate, probably 1 Mbps is nearer the point at which the cost matters.

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@ianswett requested changes on this pull request.

The more I look at this, the more I wonder what the full impact is. It ends up precluding a wide set of errors from becoming connection level errors in order to deal more gracefully with buggy implementations or inadvertent disconnects.

How about scoping this down only to cases when the stream is abruptly terminated(ie: reset) and not all the data was transferred.

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With TCP, typically the reset will arrive after the payload, so the typically the partial payload can be processed.

How about using a similar recommendation for QUIC/H3: You CAN/SHOULD send all the data before transmitting the reset, but there's no need to guarantee it all arrives before sending the reset? If an implementation really wants to guarantee the payload arrives before the stream is reset, it can, but this seems like best effort.

I don't want to add a new mechanism for this, but I agree it'd be nice to avoid the H3 connection being torn down in this case. I do think we should scope this case a bit tighter and be more specific than the current PR, since it currently says any incorrectly formatted response MUST NOT cause a connection close and I'm realizing how wide that might be.

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@gorryfair RFC3349 is "A Transient Prefix for Identifying [BEEP] Profiles under Development by the
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@marten-seemann pushed 1 commit.

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----==_mimepart_5e019dbc3da7a_186d3fed95acd95c50926d-- From nobody Tue Dec 24 00:11:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA850120D20 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 00:11:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.908 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.908 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_16=1.092, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7O0Ch5sriZzr for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 00:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31592120D22 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 00:11:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.19.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70DFA6E05A6 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2019 00:11:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1577175074; bh=BYJhnDkBzX1wthYB0PJ6qRp4L3mdTnPhfGSQkSKUVek=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Uxvb0U68csni6SGSypqXbksZutHnjmb2s2H5mUJLX9JDXID7QhbkHskUzJtZ63Yo1 2uS5SA2El1tErlxIoOY5z38KKOcfhMwM95wyuFlrlp4ztj7aBxX6bFAzIlPMfElntu 9AsROxFMO4w1z0qcuJs0kWLipEFDDl4599a4tjS0= Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 00:11:14 -0800 From: Gorry Fairhurst Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ACK generation recommendation (#3304) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5e01c822617a5_3f743fa462ecd95c8693b0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gorryfair X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2019 08:11:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5e01c822617a5_3f743fa462ecd95c8693b0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Indeed - sorry - RFC3449. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3304#issuecomment-568688835 ----==_mimepart_5e01c822617a5_3f743fa462ecd95c8693b0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Indeed - sorry - RFC3449.

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[W]e know ACKing every other is measurably problematic (I can share numbers if people are interested).

@mjoras, I am interested.

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----==_mimepart_5e05329c9223f_4b5f3f80140cd96437644d-- From nobody Fri Dec 27 07:44:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA9A120026 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2019 07:44:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FhaI1kLOZTdv for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2019 07:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9CBCA12004A for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2019 07:44:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39ac79b.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.15]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBD36A03B5 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2019 07:44:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1577461469; bh=ngkdvAP0+6MPEWNfcTaHhSutOoBJ3HTkkerkXhIRnLk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XQ63Dr9ETER05p4F9fhpeUugVrBvecmORjXfDrSAokUbK1BOwIgUT8wep1+7eKlyS 3DzCaNbeJiusPqeehxTvzqXdkVSmR8bu1UMYf+1geB7UDp6cjpQk8L4vjIYqu9q3Gc wCJ5ElA86Il5KmVSx5puXBXznDAN0a9w3Ry3WSBU= Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 07:44:29 -0800 From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unnecessary packet number expectations in ACK frame description (#3310) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5e0626dd9fbf8_7d813f9b11ccd96861053e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 15:44:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5e0626dd9fbf8_7d813f9b11ccd96861053e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The [Transport Draft](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-24#section-19.3) contains the following paragraph: ``` It is expected that a sender will reuse the same packet number across different packet number spaces. ACK frames only acknowledge the packet numbers that were transmitted by the sender in the same packet number space of the packet that the ACK was received in. ``` I see a few problems with the first sentence: 1. As written, it does not make sense. 1. There is no mention of packet number reuse expectations across packet number spaces in [Section 12.3](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-24#section-12.3). 1. The connection between it and the sentence that follows is not clear. I propose that the first sentence simply be dropped. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3310 ----==_mimepart_5e0626dd9fbf8_7d813f9b11ccd96861053e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The Transport Draft contains the following paragraph:

   It is expected that a sender will reuse the same packet number across
   different packet number spaces.  ACK frames only acknowledge the
   packet numbers that were transmitted by the sender in the same packet
   number space of the packet that the ACK was received in.

I see a few problems with the first sentence:

  1. As written, it does not make sense.
  2. There is no mention of packet number reuse expectations across packet number spaces in Section 12.3.
  3. The connection between it and the sentence that follows is not clear.

I propose that the first sentence simply be dropped.

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I think there's a larger idea here: We took a series of PRs to make any protocol misbehavior connection-fatal. However, when there's an intermediary, it's not necessarily clear whether the misbehavior is on the part of the intermediary or the origin. And it's not necessarily clear to the client whether there's an intermediary, so it generally will have to assume one or the other all the time.

The takeaway for me is that we overreached -- if the trigger for an error could be attributed to the origin rather than the intermediary, then the error should not be connection-fatal. If there are things in this class that we believe need to be connection-fatal anyway, the corollary is that the intermediary MUST check for and sanitize these things.

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The second sentence can stand some improvement as well:

  1. There is no need for the word "only."
  2. It is not necessary to say that the ACK frame was received.
  3. Packets, not packet numbers, are acknowledged.

How about something like this:

An ACK frame acknowledges packets in the same packet number space as the packet in which it is contained.

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----==_mimepart_5e062a1f1421e_5573fdfe76cd96c3073e1-- From nobody Fri Dec 27 08:03:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45438120098 for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2019 08:03:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A02mer_-3GxD for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2019 08:03:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98F7312008F for ; Fri, 27 Dec 2019 08:03:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 08:03:51 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1577462632; bh=K04O1EwXf7u1768ZRBonm7e6tPT/iLaSUY3vD9RV0vw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DmqRDiPFmwiE7hCVjEf9zZdEA3gkN3k752bGnA9xccfd+Qi3SNqnXaZ3TlHHsXyXj knVvDYMX4Mw/BCFkIm/gLBn76tASBtuM58iCaQTPi6bYVBD4TYCOpacr3mVREaOL7s cEjE/rgyGMrM48aqTXr1ENR84l0QeDY6kXEfs8/4= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove DUPLICATE_PUSH and allow duplicate PUSH_PROMISE (#3309) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5e062b67e6f83_47a33f89bf8cd95c8472f9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 16:03:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5e062b67e6f83_47a33f89bf8cd95c8472f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop requested changes on this pull request. This basically puts it back to the way it was before, and thereby reintroduces the problems we were trying to get away from then. Those problems aren't insurmountable, so let's fix them in this PR. > @@ -379,10 +379,9 @@ An HTTP message (request or response) consists of: 3. optionally, trailing headers, if present (see {{!RFC7230}}, Section 4.1.2), sent as a single HEADERS frame. -A server MAY send one or more PUSH_PROMISE (see {{frame-push-promise}}) or -DUPLICATE_PUSH (see {{frame-duplicate-push}}) frames before, after, or -interleaved with the frames of a response message. These PUSH_PROMISE and -DUPLICATE_PUSH frames are not part of the response; see {{server-push}} for +A server MAY send one or more PUSH_PROMISE (see {{frame-push-promise}}) frames +frames before, after, or interleaved with the frames of a response message. ```suggestion before, after, or interleaved with the frames of a response message. ``` > @@ -603,11 +602,11 @@ client making the indicated request. This trades off network usage against a potential latency gain. HTTP/3 server push is similar to what is described in HTTP/2 {{!HTTP2}}, but uses different mechanisms. -Each server push is identified by a unique Push ID. This Push ID is used in a -single PUSH_PROMISE frame (see {{frame-push-promise}}) which carries the request -headers, possibly included in one or more DUPLICATE_PUSH frames (see -{{frame-duplicate-push}}), then included with the push stream which ultimately -fulfills those promises. +Each server push is identified by a unique Push ID. This Push ID is used in one +or more PUSH_PROMISE frames (see {{frame-push-promise}}) that carry the request +headers, then included with the push stream which ultimately fulfills those +promises. When the same Push ID is promised on multiple request streams, the +decompressed request header fields MUST be byte-for-byte identical. Technically, this is probably true, because odds are good the data needs to match regardless of whether you're serializing to text or to an internal object. But without knowing details of internal objects, I don't know for sure what it means to be byte-for-byte identical. We might want to frame this in terms of structure and contents instead. I think what it means is that the header set contains the same set of fields in the same order, and that in each field both the name and and value are byte-for-byte matches. > @@ -623,31 +622,28 @@ allows the server push to be associated with a client request. Promised requests MUST conform to the requirements in Section 8.2 of {{!HTTP2}}. The same server push can be associated with additional client requests using a -DUPLICATE_PUSH frame (see {{frame-duplicate-push}}). +PUSH_PROMISE frame with the same push id on multiple request stream. ```suggestion PUSH_PROMISE frame with the same Push ID on multiple request stream. ``` > @@ -1238,9 +1233,10 @@ MAX_PUSH_ID frame ({{frame-max-push-id}}). A client MUST treat receipt of a PUSH_PROMISE frame that contains a larger Push ID than the client has advertised as a connection error of H3_ID_ERROR. -A server MUST NOT use the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames. A client -MUST treat receipt of a Push ID which has already been promised as a connection -error of type H3_ID_ERROR. +A server MAY use the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames. If so, the +decompressed request headers MUST be idential. A client MUST treat receipt of a +Push ID which has already been promised with different headers than the previous +promise as a connection error of type H3_ID_ERROR. MUST-error requires that the client keep the request headers for the lifetime of the connection in case it ever sees that Push ID again. Instead, I think we want to say that it MUST error if it detects a mismatch, and MUST ignore the new PUSH_PROMISE if it has not retained the previous request header set. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3309#pullrequestreview-336806725 ----==_mimepart_5e062b67e6f83_47a33f89bf8cd95c8472f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@MikeBishop requested changes on this pull request.

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This basically puts it back to the way it was before, and thereby rein= troduces the problems we were trying to get away from then. Those proble= ms aren't insurmountable, so let's fix them in this PR.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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-A server MAY send one or more PUSH_PROMISE (see {{frame-push-promise}}) =
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-interleaved with the frames of a response message. These PUSH_PROMISE an=
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-DUPLICATE_PUSH frames are not part of the response; see {{server-push}} =
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+A server MAY send one or more PUSH_PROMISE (see {{frame-push-promise}}) =
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+frames before, after, or interleaved with the frames of a response messa=
ge.=0D
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-frames before, after, or interleaved with the=
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+before, after, or interleaved with the frames of a response message.=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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> @@ -603,11 +602,11 @@ client making the in=
dicated request.  This trades off network usage against a=0D
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bed in=0D
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-Each server push is identified by a unique Push ID. This Push ID is used=
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-single PUSH_PROMISE frame (see {{frame-push-promise}}) which carries the=
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-headers, possibly included in one or more DUPLICATE_PUSH frames (see=0D
-{{frame-duplicate-push}}), then included with the push stream which ulti=
mately=0D
-fulfills those promises.=0D
+Each server push is identified by a unique Push ID. This Push ID is used=
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+or more PUSH_PROMISE frames (see {{frame-push-promise}}) that carry the =
request=0D
+headers, then included with the push stream which ultimately fulfills th=
ose=0D
+promises. When the same Push ID is promised on multiple request streams,=
 the=0D
+decompressed request header fields MUST be byte-for-byte identical.=0D
=0D

Technically, this is probably true, because odds are good the data nee= ds to match regardless of whether you're serializing to text or to an int= ernal object. But without knowing details of internal objects, I don't k= now for sure what it means to be byte-for-byte identical. We might want = to frame this in terms of structure and contents instead.

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I think what it means is that the header set contains the same set of = fields in the same order, and that in each field both the name and and va= lue are byte-for-byte matches.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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> @@ -623,31 +622,28 @@ allows the server pu=
sh to be associated with a client request.  Promised=0D
 requests MUST conform to the requirements in Section 8.2 of {{!HTTP2}}.=0D=

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 The same server push can be associated with additional client requests u=
sing a=0D
-DUPLICATE_PUSH frame (see {{frame-duplicate-push}}).=0D
+PUSH_PROMISE frame with the same push id on multiple request stream.=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-PUSH_PROMISE frame with the same push id on m=
ultiple request stream.=0D
+PUSH_PROMISE frame with the same Push ID on multiple request stream.=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

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> @@ -1238,9 +1233,10 @@ MAX_PUSH_ID frame (=
{{frame-max-push-id}}). A client MUST treat receipt of a=0D
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vertised=0D
 as a connection error of H3_ID_ERROR.=0D
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-A server MUST NOT use the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames. =
A client=0D
-MUST treat receipt of a Push ID which has already been promised as a con=
nection=0D
-error of type H3_ID_ERROR.=0D
+A server MAY use the same Push ID in multiple PUSH_PROMISE frames. If so=
, the=0D
+decompressed request headers MUST be idential.  A client MUST treat rece=
ipt of a=0D
+Push ID which has already been promised with different headers than the =
previous=0D
+promise as a connection error of type H3_ID_ERROR.=0D
=0D

MUST-error requires that the client keep the request headers for the l= ifetime of the connection in case it ever sees that Push ID again. Inste= ad, I think we want to say that it MUST error if it detects a mismatch, a= nd MUST ignore the new PUSH_PROMISE if it has not retained the previous r= equest header set.

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The ACK frame section of the Transport Draft should explain what to do when generated ACK is too large to fit in a packet:

  1. Generate a shorter ACK frame (instead of aborting connection or erroring out).
  2. To generate the shorter frame, don't include older (smaller) packet numbers. (As opposed to not including newer packet numbers.)

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@ianswett, that case is already covered by the current text. A stream can be reset mid-frame, and that's fine. The problem is that the contents might be invalid, or the intermediary might want to reliably deliver the terminated payload.

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Re-reviewing, since there have been a lot of commits since I reviewed before. Still looks good. > @@ -390,13 +390,15 @@ perspective of the endpoint in question. ### Handshake Confirmed {#handshake-confirmed} -In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when -the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the -endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys. -This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number -sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field -in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the -former, the handshake is confirmed. +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when +the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed +when a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received. + +A client MAY consider the handshake to be confirmed when it receives an +acknowledgement for a 1-RTT packet. This can be implemented by recording the +lowest packet number sent with 1-RTT keys, and comparing it to the Largest +Acknowledged field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher ```suggestion Acknowledged field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is greater ``` > -In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when -the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the -endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys. -This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number -sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field -in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the -former, the handshake is confirmed. +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when +the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed +when a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received. + +A client MAY consider the handshake to be confirmed when it receives an +acknowledgement for a 1-RTT packet. This can be implemented by recording the +lowest packet number sent with 1-RTT keys, and comparing it to the Largest +Acknowledged field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher +than or equal to the former, the handshake can be confirmed. ```suggestion than or equal to the former, the handshake is confirmed. ``` I see the discussion below; I think it's better as "is," since you're describing how it would be implemented. However, that's certainly not a hard blocker. > @@ -5495,6 +5497,16 @@ Reason Phrase: This SHOULD be a UTF-8 encoded string {{!RFC3629}}. +## HANDSHAKE_DONE frame {#handshake-done-frame} + +The server uses the HANDSHAKE_DONE frame (type=0x1e) to signal confirmation of +the handshake to the client. The HANDSHAKE_DONE frame contains no additional +fields. + +This frame can only be sent by the server. A server MUST treat receipt of a +HANDSHAKE_DONE frame as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. + + Marking this branch resolved because this text has been added. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#pullrequestreview-336810574 ----==_mimepart_5e062da89f670_53493fc4356cd96c10401c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

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Re-reviewing, since there have been a lot of commits since I reviewed = before. Still looks good.

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I see the discussion below; I think it's better as "is," since you're = describing how it would be implemented. However, that's certainly not a = hard blocker.

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Marking this branch resolved because this text has been added.

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[ci skip] From nobody Sun Dec 29 06:41:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359F7120045 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2019 06:41:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 36J1C3U9H6y7 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2019 06:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92CE912000F for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2019 06:41:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 06:41:34 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1577630494; bh=dvGbrAuyiba4Fwjj8TifUfYEqCRpTfME84y7UDI3oyA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ReZ4lPxaspqIB92MkzqUirMM0ovYLMZE7jKY8dawWXNfr7AiravrhJ3fKffvf5KtG Kt2nBaiomHVh5kZPwX0NV0jRIkHAPZYWG8XHoOoIZy3LRTEsEmLfLJskMqkvyW4fe2 Q8ALZyNoI6fX6nVrnKuyXTKhum/mPC+QYvOZRq9Y= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] What if an ACK frame doesn't fit in a packet (#3312) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5e08bb1eb65f7_64503fdfe76cd96c38622f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 14:41:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5e08bb1eb65f7_64503fdfe76cd96c38622f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If so, don't serialize the oldest ranges. This uses SHOULD once, but it's a result of the SHOULD as at the beginning of the paragraph, so I think this is editorial. Fixes #3311 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3312 -- Commit Summary -- * What if an ACK frame doesn't fit -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (5) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3312.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3312.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3312 ----==_mimepart_5e08bb1eb65f7_64503fdfe76cd96c38622f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If so, don't serialize the oldest ranges.

This uses SHOULD once, but it's a result of the SHOULD as at the beginning of the paragraph, so I think this is editorial.

Fixes #3311

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----==_mimepart_5e08bb1eb65f7_64503fdfe76cd96c38622f-- From nobody Sun Dec 29 06:41:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DDFA120045 for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2019 06:41:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o_DlL8-6ITxM for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2019 06:41:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-9.smtp.github.com (out-9.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB1BF12000F for ; Sun, 29 Dec 2019 06:41:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 06:41:49 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1577630509; bh=le5PuaEUsC57SR9FIZKtMeA+LvAAt0aFoe+sSW2zRI4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kIwkKx3tQL3RVxcCWYtEnZlLQKdKGEWhW7xVKEO2nKjCjfXhd6BaT/70WP8gEzFJ0 RFlhVbUeQhYthGqES3VVSS7mwj6eEJe4Yr4ZZUJvqamzLRwyFOOTOQGFm9saEyVX6t mkdYqEuUavPXovUtgyuZTj/r35goSZiwNCa/I5vs= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Guidance wrt ACK frames that don't fit in a packet (#3311) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5e08bb2d2a9e1_5d03f98990cd96c57689b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2019 14:41:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5e08bb2d2a9e1_5d03f98990cd96c57689b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a good amount of existing text about what ranges to send, ie "ACK frames SHOULD always acknowledge the most recently received packets," I think this can be solved with some editorial additions to 13.2.2. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-24#section-13.2.2 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3311#issuecomment-569511666 ----==_mimepart_5e08bb2d2a9e1_5d03f98990cd96c57689b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There is a good amount of existing text about what ranges to send, ie "ACK frames SHOULD always acknowledge the most recently received packets,"

I think this can be solved with some editorial additions to 13.2.2.
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-24#section-13.2.2

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Fixes #3310 by taking @dtikhonov suggestion and adding a sentence about how the same PN may be used in each space.

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This isn't the right section; Section 13.2.4 already has context for this. I'll make a small PR.

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The text we already have in 13.2.4 has the right context:

  To limit receiver state or the size of ACK frames, a receiver MAY
   limit the number of ACK Ranges it sends.  A receiver can do this even
   without receiving acknowledgment of its ACK frames, with the
   knowledge this could cause the sender to unnecessarily retransmit
   some data.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Dec 31 19:52:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3B112007A for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:52:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AZkAAiFzV8hF for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4915B12006E for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:52:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-ca5950c.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.57]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81FF86E098B for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:52:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1577850746; bh=4+MENUKvBJSJaF5rf6qkFP/+xGXkkNHpW1N/qXLnvVM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AX/zW1XHhDc9M7qew/a/0s3LkiXQfxtbBbTkCko5vA5SYJphtfhq6c4qKWJRe9h1Q p/BvE5sH4FSwZSd8zvuDeHiJL8i8x5BKFb3411tPfICDLx6+1R9/Eww0AuS81cRQXp Gp+5O42MgyUd3nrctBjl0ltXggWyTYSjdkRXWxK0= Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 19:52:26 -0800 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rewrite section on ack range limiting (#3315) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5e0c177a7329a_2d3b3f9bcdacd96c310623"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 03:52:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5e0c177a7329a_2d3b3f9bcdacd96c310623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In trying to do a simple fix for #3311, I found other irrelevant or poorly-written recommendations in how a receiver could limit ACK ranges it sends. This PR does not substantively change the recommendations, but it does remove one SHOULD that did not make any sense. I would prefer to go through with this as a design change. Closes #3311. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3315 -- Commit Summary -- * Rewrite section on ack range limiting -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (43) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3315.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3315.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3315 ----==_mimepart_5e0c177a7329a_2d3b3f9bcdacd96c310623 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In trying to do a simple fix for #3311, I found other irrelevant or poorly-written recommendations in how a receiver could limit ACK ranges it sends. This PR does not substantively change the recommendations, but it does remove one SHOULD that did not make any sense.

I would prefer to go through with this as a design change.

Closes #3311.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3315

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  • Rewrite section on ack range limiting

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In trying to do a simple fix for #3311, I found other irrelevant or poorly-written recommendations in how a receiver could limit ACK ranges it sends. This section needs to be rewritten.

Specifically, the sentence below is a poor recommendation and contradicts earlier recommendation on acking until the ACK frame is acknowledged.

   The receiver SHOULD
   exclude already acknowledged packets from future ACK frames whenever
   these packets would unnecessarily contribute to the ACK frame size.

The recommendation below is fine, but the rationale does not make sense:

   Standard QUIC algorithms ([QUIC-RECOVERY]) declare
   packets lost after sufficiently newer packets are acknowledged.
   Therefore, the receiver SHOULD repeatedly acknowledge newly received
   packets in preference to packets received in the past.

This should be a design change.

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Ok, this became a bigger fix. See #3316 and #3315.

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----==_mimepart_5e0c1b9cbfb52_54e53fa2dd2cd96c1767ea-- From nobody Tue Dec 31 20:15:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9064012006F for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 20:15:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e_dIuEZhG3G9 for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 20:15:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from out-11.smtp.github.com (out-11.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE19112006E for ; Tue, 31 Dec 2019 20:15:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2019 20:15:55 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1577852155; bh=aQVmh1IYaJk/W2Yfxu1Pcr1AKIT+fvCcBG9D3qQqfdg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wFheceyMrowIEWqBh6gNQO4/415tux09DXJ4caV8d2EHkTSwB468HSN+CD+wPNpPD pO5D8twHc0GWPSk+dnEefiZZ8EQdrwl5lR291phwCZuak0zL1+KxJETL1V8QRl2vNh lXy4s0q0WGRilSk7fGbJfaoMLz9Z0sa42pZWu2V0= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] use a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame to drive the handshake to confirmation (#3145) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5e0c1cfb32ad2_37bd3fe81e4cd95c60402f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2020 04:15:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5e0c1cfb32ad2_37bd3fe81e4cd95c60402f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > -In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when -the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the -endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys. -This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number -sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field -in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the -former, the handshake is confirmed. +In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when +the handshake completes. At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed +when a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received. + +A client MAY consider the handshake to be confirmed when it receives an +acknowledgement for a 1-RTT packet. This can be implemented by recording the +lowest packet number sent with 1-RTT keys, and comparing it to the Largest +Acknowledged field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher +than or equal to the former, the handshake can be confirmed. I agree. I think this should be "is". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3145#discussion_r362301847 ----==_mimepart_5e0c1cfb32ad2_37bd3fe81e4cd95c60402f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at an endpoint when
-the following two conditions are met: the handshake is complete, and the
-endpoint has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent with 1-RTT keys.
-This second condition can be implemented by recording the lowest packet number
-sent with 1-RTT keys, and the highest value of the Largest Acknowledged field
-in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher than or equal to the
-former, the handshake is confirmed.
+In this document, the TLS handshake is considered confirmed at the server when
+the handshake completes.  At the client, the handshake is considered confirmed
+when a HANDSHAKE_DONE frame is received.
+
+A client MAY consider the handshake to be confirmed when it receives an
+acknowledgement for a 1-RTT packet.  This can be implemented by recording the
+lowest packet number sent with 1-RTT keys, and comparing it to the Largest
+Acknowledged field in any received 1-RTT ACK frame: once the latter is higher
+than or equal to the former, the handshake can be confirmed.

I agree. I think this should be "is".

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