From jpv@cisco.com Thu Feb 2 04:13:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB6021F88A5 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 04:13:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sw+MCXvLW2oV for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 04:13:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from bgl-iport-2.cisco.com (bgl-iport-2.cisco.com [72.163.197.26]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B27121F88A3 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 04:13:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=jpv@cisco.com; l=1921; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1328184790; x=1329394390; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc: content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=OcwXJW/VETJWYXxqhrxoQOjN6CojJht6kA1Da42Zbrs=; b=LQuonPpCcjuj2s3Q4N7ecoNZA8tBD1+uLU3tUfR4g7r8PooEJhffFUIc rjJba5MDhsznLZs2UDJmXrNWgycnX/t+9dkpQ7DvUozkHP0dTOsGQ6sGA +UaE2T5Q4wRmD3O5p8Hvfo/CdilQBKR2l3CbE5EVC0oW9Su2InKcRnnNw A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmoGALV8Kk9Io8UY/2dsb2JhbABDDoJ/rH6BcgEBAQMBAQEBDwEnNAsQC0YnMAYBEgkZh1oJmWcBnmmLSQcCAgkFDAcGAQsBCAUDAwkfgn0FGAILAgVjFYJ1YwSVI4VXhTOHEzg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,608,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="4670615" Received: from vla196-nat.cisco.com (HELO bgl-core-4.cisco.com) ([72.163.197.24]) by bgl-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Feb 2012 12:13:08 +0000 Received: from xbh-hkg-411.apac.cisco.com (xbh-hkg-411.cisco.com [64.104.123.72]) by bgl-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q12CD8Kt013431; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 12:13:08 GMT Received: from xfe-hkg-412.apac.cisco.com ([64.104.123.71]) by xbh-hkg-411.apac.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:13:08 +0800 Received: from [10.60.114.231] ([10.60.114.231]) by xfe-hkg-412.apac.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 2 Feb 2012 20:13:07 +0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: JP Vasseur In-Reply-To: <20120129003315.20253.38055.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:13:05 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120129003315.20253.38055.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Mukul Goyal , Emmanuel Baccelli X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2012 12:13:07.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[05E2AF50:01CCE1A4] Cc: roll WG Subject: Re: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-p2p-rpl-07.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:13:11 -0000 Dear co-authors, You mentioned that you had some implementations you even performed = interop testing ? Anything hat you could share with the WG in order to make progress on that front, before WG LC ? Thanks. JP. On Jan 29, 2012, at 1:33 AM, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and = Lossy networks Working Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Reactive Discovery of Point-to-Point Routes in = Low Power and Lossy Networks > Author(s) : Mukul Goyal > Emmanuel Baccelli > Matthias Philipp > Anders Brandt > Jerald Martocci > Filename : draft-ietf-roll-p2p-rpl-07.txt > Pages : 27 > Date : 2012-01-28 >=20 > This document specifies a point-to-point route discovery mechanism, > complementary to the RPL core functionality. This mechanism allows > an IPv6 router to discover and establish, on demand, a route to > another IPv6 router in the LLN such that the discovered route meets > specified metrics constraints, without necessarily going along the > DAG links established by core RPL. >=20 >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-roll-p2p-rpl-07.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-roll-p2p-rpl-07.txt >=20 > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From emmanuel.baccelli@gmail.com Thu Feb 2 05:28:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD7E21F8806 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 05:28:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.976 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.976 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d3YGFrBj91oS for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 05:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com (mail-qy0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84B521F85DB for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 05:28:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by qcsg13 with SMTP id g13so1599371qcs.31 for ; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 05:28:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=bVVMMi9nGqrvX9IW2BSVapkiMk5Xnp4JvyuNZdaMdjM=; b=CaXXaUNluxTj3ufoT3KzNcCCG1W47XGWFRFIU3cJYHu/BYg9M3QRZJiKkuuletx7tH 1ZN9LuDdtQW15T6EMSJGvJL2W9+A8jw2tnZekaWoGS69E37Ldfcarj4d4tTwis6nsG9C sUHRmL0R1SRchUCrAsnLUCR66lXGFWrtkk6V0= Received: by 10.229.69.70 with SMTP id y6mr992449qci.48.1328189310284; Thu, 02 Feb 2012 05:28:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: emmanuel.baccelli@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.230.83 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Feb 2012 05:28:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20120129003315.20253.38055.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Emmanuel Baccelli Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 14:28:10 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: HEDcsYsOZyetTkDQLYf5cZbvVxI Message-ID: To: roll WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0021cc023f1a08b5c904b7fb2c9a Subject: Re: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-p2p-rpl-07.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:28:32 -0000 --0021cc023f1a08b5c904b7fb2c9a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi JP, indeed we have. By the way, we already posted ROLL on this subject on Jan 20th (see http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/roll/current/msg06625.html). The updates to the specification from -05 to -07 were prompted by the results of the latest P2P-RPL interop. This interop was carried out last month with INRIA's implementation against Sigma Design's implementation, and a report is available over here http://hal.inria.fr/docs/00/66/16/29/PDF/RR-7864.pdf Experiments with P2P-RPL have also taken place on the Senslab testbed gathering boards based on MSP430 and 802.15.4 at 2.4GHz, see for instance the experiments documented in this report http://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs/00/65/16/03/PDF/SOFTCOM-2011.pdf The INRIA implementation is by the way available upon request. Best regards, Emmanuel On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:13 PM, JP Vasseur wrote: > Dear co-authors, > > You mentioned that you had some implementations you even performed interop > testing ? Anything hat you could share with the WG in order to > make progress on that front, before WG LC ? > > Thanks. > > JP. > > On Jan 29, 2012, at 1:33 AM, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and > Lossy networks Working Group of the IETF. > > > > Title : Reactive Discovery of Point-to-Point Routes in > Low Power and Lossy Networks > > Author(s) : Mukul Goyal > > Emmanuel Baccelli > > Matthias Philipp > > Anders Brandt > > Jerald Martocci > > Filename : draft-ietf-roll-p2p-rpl-07.txt > > Pages : 27 > > Date : 2012-01-28 > > > > This document specifies a point-to-point route discovery mechanism, > > complementary to the RPL core functionality. This mechanism allows > > an IPv6 router to discover and establish, on demand, a route to > > another IPv6 router in the LLN such that the discovered route meets > > specified metrics constraints, without necessarily going along the > > DAG links established by core RPL. > > > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-roll-p2p-rpl-07.txt > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-roll-p2p-rpl-07.txt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > I-D-Announce mailing list > > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --0021cc023f1a08b5c904b7fb2c9a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi JP,

indeed we have. By the way, we already posted ROLL on t= his subject on Jan 20th (see http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/roll/cur= rent/msg06625.html).

http://hal.in= ria.fr/docs/00/66/16/29/PDF/RR-7864.pdf

Experiments with P2P-RPL have also taken place on the S= enslab testbed gathering boards based on MSP430 and 802.15.4 at 2.4GHz, see= for instance the experiments documented in this report=A0http://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs= /00/65/16/03/PDF/SOFTCOM-2011.pdf

The INRIA implementation is by the way available upon r= equest.=A0

Best regards,

= Emmanuel



On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:13 PM, JP Vasseur <jpv@cisco.com> wrote:
Dear co-authors,

You mentioned that you had some implementations you even performed interop = testing ? Anything hat you could share with the WG in order to
make progress on that front, before WG LC ?

Thanks.

JP.

On Jan 29, 2012, at 1:33 AM, In= ternet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote:

>
> A New Internet-Draft is = available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a wor= k item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Working Group of th= e IETF.
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0 Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : Reactive Discovery of Point-to= -Point Routes in Low Power and Lossy Networks
> =A0 =A0 =A0 Author(s) =A0 =A0 =A0 : Mukul Goyal
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Emmanuel Baccelli
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Matthias Philipp
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Anders Brandt
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Jerald Martocci
> =A0 =A0 =A0 Filename =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: draft-ietf-roll-p2p-rpl-07.txt > =A0 =A0 =A0 Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 27
> =A0 =A0 =A0 Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2012-01-28
>
> This document specifies a point-to-point route discovery mechanism, > complementary to the RPL core functionality. =A0This mechanism allows<= br> > an IPv6 router to discover and establish, on demand, a route to
> another IPv6 router in the LLN such that the discovered route meets > specified metrics constraints, without necessarily going along the
> DAG links established by core RPL.
>
>
> A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-r= oll-p2p-rpl-07.txt
>
> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> ftp:= //ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>
> This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at:
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>
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After providing years helping to lead the working group, David Culler has decided it is time to step down as co-chair. Fittingly, this will coincide with publication of RPL as an RFC. I know you will join with me in thanking David for his expert guidance. I hope that he will continue to be involved in the work we do. Michael Richardson (mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca) has agreed to step into the breach. Michael is, in my experience, a stickler for doing the right thing in the right way. For ROLL that means you can expect to be asked to follow IETF process, and you can expect searching and exacting questions to force you to provide your technical justifications for your work. I look forward to the next wave of work consolidating and extending RPL under the chairmanship of Michael and JP. Thanks, Adrian From B06063@freescale.com Tue Feb 21 02:17:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF9121F860E for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:17:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FBwaOMrArb-w for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:17:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from TX2EHSOBE008.bigfish.com (tx2ehsobe002.messaging.microsoft.com [65.55.88.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6ECF21F8606 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:17:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail189-tx2-R.bigfish.com (10.9.14.237) by TX2EHSOBE008.bigfish.com (10.9.40.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:17:21 +0000 Received: from mail189-tx2 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail189-tx2-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5AC3E0349 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:17:21 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: -1 X-BigFish: VS-1(zzc85fh4015Lzz1202hzz8275bh8275dhz2dh2a8h668h839h8e2h8e3hbe9k) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:70.37.183.190; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:mail.freescale.net; RD:none; EFVD:NLI Received: from mail189-tx2 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail189-tx2 (MessageSwitch) id 1329819439967179_8948; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from TX2EHSMHS042.bigfish.com (unknown [10.9.14.237]) by mail189-tx2.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E745D6A0045 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:17:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.freescale.net (70.37.183.190) by TX2EHSMHS042.bigfish.com (10.9.99.142) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:17:18 +0000 Received: from 039-SN2MPN1-021.039d.mgd.msft.net ([169.254.1.196]) by 039-SN1MMR1-003.039d.mgd.msft.net ([10.84.1.16]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.003; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 04:17:22 -0600 From: Costin Michaela Catalina-B06063 To: "roll@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: MRHOF Objective function (using ETX metric) Thread-Index: Aczwgf8SiO9dz4XLQYG0i+MzdpDhPg== Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:17:22 +0000 Message-ID: <6B6AF64303C21343BF760595E1DF15FF04609A@039-SN2MPN1-021.039d.mgd.msft.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.171.73.81] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6B6AF64303C21343BF760595E1DF15FF04609A039SN2MPN1021039d_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: freescale.com Subject: [Roll] MRHOF Objective function (using ETX metric) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 10:17:27 -0000 --_000_6B6AF64303C21343BF760595E1DF15FF04609A039SN2MPN1021039d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello guys, While reading MRHOF draft (for ETX metric), I identified some discrepancie= s between the RPL and the MRHOF draft: * The rank of a DODAG root according to ROLL RPL draft is MinHopRan= kIncrease (default value =3D 0x100). 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Hello guys,

 

While reading MRHOF draft (for ETX metric),  I = identified some discrepancies between the RPL and the MRHOF draft:

·         The rank of a DODAG root according to ROLL R= PL draft is MinHopRankIncrease (default value =3D 0x100). According to MRHO= F,  the rank of the DODAG root is MIN_PATH_COST (default value =3D 0)<= o:p>

·         The algorithm for computing node rank is not= clearly described in the MRHOF draft. Once the path cost for all neighbors= is computed and the preferred parent is selected, the node rank is calcula= ted just by adding MinHopRankIncrease to the smallest path cost (to the preferred parent path cost)?<= /p>

 

Do you have any comments related to these issues?

 

Thanks,

 

 

Catalina Costin
Freescale Semiconductor Romania
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--_000_6B6AF64303C21343BF760595E1DF15FF04609A039SN2MPN1021039d_-- From mcr@sandelman.ca Thu Feb 23 13:51:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E4421F8838 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:51:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4Q9Im4NP2nzp for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:51:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [67.23.6.41]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C205521F879C for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:51:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from marajade.sandelman.ca (unknown [132.213.238.4]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 55C7E344AE for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:49:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by marajade.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 200B59827B; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:51:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from marajade.sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marajade.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C7398182 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:51:29 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: roll@ietf.org X-Mailer: MH-E 8.3; nmh 1.3-dev; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 22) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:51:29 -0500 Message-ID: <30931.1330033889@marajade.sandelman.ca> Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Subject: [Roll] security solutions for ROLL X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:51:32 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) there is an Security AD DISCUSS from Stephen Farrell/Tim Polk. http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-security-framework/ballo= t/#stephen-farrell It has been there for 9 months, and we need to act on it, because this DISCUSS is keeping draft-ietf-roll-of0-20 from advancing, and that will keep draft-ietf-roll-rpl-19 from being published. So to be clear, this chain of dependancies/references means that while rpl-19 has been done for some time, it won't get published until we do something. Stephen Farrell will lift his DISCUSS on this and let us proceed if he sees some credible plan to get useable security into the layer-3 of RPL.=20=20 For a lot of you, you have assumed security at layer-2 is enough, and you may never care about this mechanism, but I still need your participation here.=20=20 2) We will need to provide, in the draft-ietf-roll-security-framework, a clear set of security related *questions* that each applicability statement will need to answer. In esssence, this is a template that needs to be filled out. 3) A proposal for moving forward is to adopt/adapt MIKEY (RFC3830) for our uses. This has been proposed in: draft-alexander-roll-mikey-lln-key-mgmt=20 This draft needs to be resubmitted for the WG to consider it. (A rumour is that it can be found at:=20 http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-alexander-roll-mikey-lln-key-mgmt-02.txt ) The WG is open to other proposals, but they need to come in quickly. We do not need to complete the work, but we do need to know what work we need to do, and we need to update our milestones to include that work in order that we can progress. =2D-=20 ] He who is tired of Weird Al is tired of life! | firewall= s [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON |net archit= ect[ ] mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device dri= ver[ Kyoto Plus: watch the video then sign the petition.=20 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUAT0a04IqHRg3pndX9AQJUMAP9FjEJIsY6XUC5q7JRB7mL5TlQ/vDi9cop /yLXM0dLqwW7Yb/VqyE+JuF7Nnxasi5vsa1o3ubUEIqoPQajPOMCjJmJIzUurv/N mL+Ha5QxbdameFohUDjNWhyEbAeWk+FA8za7rAy/PZZlnf7VYM+6EUP4qyqUQICI GmwCbwAvmDg= =VDRw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From buttyan@crysys.hu Thu Feb 23 23:36:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB2821F86EF for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:36:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.639 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.639 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_HU=1.35, HOST_EQ_HU=1.245, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.643] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uj0fU-z5-SQr for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:36:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from shamir.crysys.hit.bme.hu (shamir.crysys.hit.bme.hu [152.66.249.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12C321F86DA for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:36:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=crysys.hu; s=shamir; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=733YANQaRoe6bTNhRUhDrMbOqp74ZRdgcaEI0RsO5bo=; b=mcjr+G8fcOieEr+yU2kJBb7JVJO1GtB+9T/2jihsaExH7m54OVSZ6hJPhgHtZNIYzrb8Wr68/rB8GjrgbyX7p7RmRz0jcUwXxJ08OtO7lBTu9DXxM6YMRt6ShInOju5zbxO/mGLPmxGmgIZOt2RnzdvxlFmJGHogXVon6OWi8bw=; Received: from ip10-105-55.ebizlab.hit.bme.hu ([10.105.1.55] helo=localhost ident=amavis) by shamir.crysys.hit.bme.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S0pe3-0006kR-9h for roll@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:32:47 +0100 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-dc Received: from shamir.crysys.hit.bme.hu ([10.105.1.254]) by localhost (seeve.etl.hu [10.105.1.55]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id czMt4Nd3cpFJ for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:32:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from dsl51b6181c.pool.t-online.hu ([81.182.24.28] helo=[10.7.1.104]) by shamir.crysys.hit.bme.hu with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S0pdw-0006k9-Bl for roll@ietf.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:32:40 +0100 Message-ID: <4F473D0E.9020407@crysys.hu> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:32:30 +0100 From: Levente Buttyan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roll@ietf.org References: <30931.1330033889@marajade.sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: <30931.1330033889@marajade.sandelman.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [Roll] security solutions for ROLL X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 07:36:08 -0000 Dear Michael, Our work on version number and rank authentication addresses some layer-3 security issues that is not addressed by layer-2 security mechanisms. In particular, layer-2 protection does not prevent a malfunctioning or misbehaving (compromised) node from initiating the reconstruction of the DODAG with itself as the root. Also manipulating the rank value in DIO messages may result in the distortion of the topolgy, i.e., a misbehaving node can appear to be closer to the root than it really is. The mechanisms that we proposed try to prevent these misdeeds. They are also lightweight, using hash functions and symmetric key crypto as much as possible. Our draft is available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dvir-roll-security-authentication-01 We also have an implementation (on both TinyOS and Linux) of RPL and the version number authentication mechanisms that we plan to make available soon. My colleague, Amit Dvir will be in Paris for the IETF meeting to present this work and to discuss it further. Best regards, Levente Buttyan 2012.02.23. 22:51 keltezéssel, Michael Richardson írta: > > 1) there is an Security AD DISCUSS from Stephen Farrell/Tim Polk. > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-security-framework/ballot/#stephen-farrell > It has been there for 9 months, and we need to act on it, because > this DISCUSS is keeping draft-ietf-roll-of0-20 from advancing, > and that will keep draft-ietf-roll-rpl-19 from being published. > > So to be clear, this chain of dependancies/references means that while > rpl-19 has been done for some time, it won't get published until we do > something. > > Stephen Farrell will lift his DISCUSS on this and let us proceed if he > sees some credible plan to get useable security into the layer-3 of > RPL. > > For a lot of you, you have assumed security at layer-2 is enough, and > you may never care about this mechanism, but I still need your > participation here. > > 2) We will need to provide, in the draft-ietf-roll-security-framework, > a clear set of security related *questions* that each applicability > statement will need to answer. In esssence, this is a template > that needs to be filled out. > > 3) A proposal for moving forward is to adopt/adapt MIKEY > (RFC3830) for our uses. > This has been proposed in: > draft-alexander-roll-mikey-lln-key-mgmt > > This draft needs to be resubmitted for the WG to consider it. > (A rumour is that it can be found at: > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-alexander-roll-mikey-lln-key-mgmt-02.txt > ) > > The WG is open to other proposals, but they need to come in quickly. > We do not need to complete the work, but we do need to know what work > we need to do, and we need to update our milestones to include that work > in order that we can progress. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll -- Dr. Levente Buttyán Laboratory of Cryptography and System Security (CrySyS) Department of Telecommunications Budapest University of Technology and Economics (BME) URL: http://www.crysys.hu/ From cabo@tzi.org Fri Feb 24 00:26:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD50221F85E7; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 00:26:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.821 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.821 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.172, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SrlwqWPvFQqq; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 00:26:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5E721F85E5; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 00:26:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1O8PrP2018457; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:25:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.217.105] (p5B3E6044.dip.t-dialin.net [91.62.96.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0B95A872; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:25:52 +0100 (CET) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 09:25:53 +0100 To: 6lowpan@ietf.org, "core@ietf.org WG" , roll@ietf.org, lwip@ietf.org Message-Id: <1B2B5C1F-AF12-44CB-BCF1-C5DD2978FBEB@tzi.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Subject: [Roll] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF83 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 08:26:03 -0000 Here is my usual compilation of the draft agenda for IETF83. Note that this agenda is subject to change, so please don't plan travel = around it. This time, we are nicely spread out over the week, so a lot of things = will happen between the meeting slots. Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten ***DRAFT*** Agenda for Constrained Node/Network related events during IETF 83 in Paris ***Subject to change*** -- don't plan travel around this * FRIDAY, March 23, 2012 IAB Workshop on Smart Object Security * SATURDAY, March 24, 2012; SUNDAY, March 25, 2012 ETSI CoAP plugfest * MONDAY, March 26, 2012 0900-1130 Maillot OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG * TUESDAY, March 27, 2012 0900-1130 243 APP *core* Constrained RESTful Environments WG Maillot INT homenet Home Networking WG 1300-1500 241 OPS eman Energy Management WG * WEDNESDAY, March 28, 2012 0900-1130 242AB INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG 1300-1500 241 RTG *roll* Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG * THURSDAY, March 29, 2012 1300-1500 Maillot INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG 1520-1720 252B INT *lwig* Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG Maillot OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG * FRIDAY, March 30, 2012 0900-1100 253 APP *core* Constrained RESTful Environments WG From prvs=39461a1b7=Tzeta.Tsao@cooperindustries.com Fri Feb 24 07:11:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B8721F8800 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 07:11:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OwRKzVRYc5NO for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 07:11:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from cooperlighting-sw.cooperlighting.com (cooperlighting-sw.cooperlighting.com [216.130.131.68]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7AC21F8816 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 07:11:11 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: cooperlighting-sw.cooperlighting.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,475,1325480400"; d="scan'208";a="43215197" Received: from cipt0175.nam.ci.root ([10.132.108.175]) by cooperlighting-sw.cooperlighting.com with ESMTP; 24 Feb 2012 10:11:08 -0500 Received: from EVS2.NAM.CI.ROOT ([10.132.108.170]) by cipt0175.NAM.CI.ROOT with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:11:07 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 10:10:48 -0500 Message-ID: <85A23E0910B2FB4B8EF60D0888CB083648C30D@EVS2.nam.ci.root> In-Reply-To: <30931.1330033889@marajade.sandelman.ca> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Roll] security solutions for ROLL Thread-Index: AczydVIZBzSKCdpiTLe2PTxTTVc9CwAkAcbA References: <30931.1330033889@marajade.sandelman.ca> From: "Tsao, Tzeta" To: "Michael Richardson" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2012 15:11:07.0796 (UTC) FILETIME=[88D5AD40:01CCF306] Subject: Re: [Roll] security solutions for ROLL X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:11:25 -0000 Michael, WG: My understanding of the DISCUSS on the security framework draft is that it seeks to address the perceived lack of key management for RPL. However, the second item in your post seems to go beyond that; is it a set of questions to justify the use or non-use of RPL security, for example? Please clarify. Thanks, Tzeta > -----Original Message----- > From: roll-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > Michael Richardson > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:51 PM > To: roll@ietf.org > Subject: [Roll] security solutions for ROLL >=20 >=20 > 1) there is an Security AD DISCUSS from Stephen Farrell/Tim Polk. > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-security- > framework/ballot/#stephen-farrell > It has been there for 9 months, and we need to act on it, because > this DISCUSS is keeping draft-ietf-roll-of0-20 from advancing, > and that will keep draft-ietf-roll-rpl-19 from being published. >=20 > So to be clear, this chain of dependancies/references means that while > rpl-19 has been done for some time, it won't get published until we do > something. >=20 > Stephen Farrell will lift his DISCUSS on this and let us proceed if he > sees some credible plan to get useable security into the layer-3 of > RPL. >=20 > For a lot of you, you have assumed security at layer-2 is enough, and > you may never care about this mechanism, but I still need your > participation here. >=20 > 2) We will need to provide, in the draft-ietf-roll-security-framework, > a clear set of security related *questions* that each applicability > statement will need to answer. In esssence, this is a template > that needs to be filled out. >=20 > 3) A proposal for moving forward is to adopt/adapt MIKEY > (RFC3830) for our uses. > This has been proposed in: > draft-alexander-roll-mikey-lln-key-mgmt >=20 > This draft needs to be resubmitted for the WG to consider it. > (A rumour is that it can be found at: > http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-alexander-roll-mikey-lln-key-mgmt- > 02.txt > ) >=20 > The WG is open to other proposals, but they need to come in quickly. > We do not need to complete the work, but we do need to know what work > we need to do, and we need to update our milestones to include that > work in order that we can progress. >=20 > -- > ] He who is tired of Weird Al is tired of life! | > firewalls [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON |net > architect[ > ] mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device > driver[ > Kyoto Plus: watch the video > > then sign the petition. From mcr@sandelman.ca Fri Feb 24 12:06:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44AB21F879C for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:06:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.444, BAYES_00=-2.599, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3jVr7-D6gzg6 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [67.23.6.41]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B918E21F8794 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:06:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from marajade.sandelman.ca (unknown [132.213.238.4]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 713D9344B0; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: by marajade.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id D46FF9827A; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:06:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from marajade.sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marajade.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7AA698182; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:06:43 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Levente Buttyan In-Reply-To: <4F473D0E.9020407@crysys.hu> References: <30931.1330033889@marajade.sandelman.ca> <4F473D0E.9020407@crysys.hu> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.3; nmh 1.3-dev; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 22) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:06:43 -0500 Message-ID: <13009.1330114003@marajade.sandelman.ca> Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Roll] security solutions for ROLL X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:06:49 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> "Levente" =3D=3D Levente Buttyan writes: Levente> Our work on version number and rank authentication Levente> addresses some layer-3 security issues that is not Levente> addressed by layer-2 security mechanisms. In particular, Levente> layer-2 protection does not prevent a malfunctioning or Levente> misbehaving (compromised) node from initiating the Levente> reconstruction of the DODAG with itself as the root. Also Levente> manipulating the rank value in DIO messages may result in Levente> the distortion of the topolgy, i.e., a misbehaving node can Levente> appear to be closer to the root than it really is. The Levente> mechanisms that we proposed try to prevent these Levente> misdeeds. They are also lightweight, using hash functions Levente> and symmetric key crypto as much as possible. I agree that your proposals are rather usefu additions, and I would like to see them adopted by the WG. However, the concern that the ADs had is essentially about how would one bootstrap layer-3 security? Assume that we had your proposal in place, we still require an initial set of symmetric trust relation to use them. The issue on the table is: how do we get that? =2D-=20 ] He who is tired of Weird Al is tired of life! | firewall= s [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON |net archit= ect[ ] mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ |device dri= ver[ Kyoto Plus: watch the video then sign the petition.=20 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUAT0ft04qHRg3pndX9AQINDwP+LtWv1vcKFZDg2ckiAAku1Wffy8Hi865o rxJ9N3ofAaB3nhijL3YiCP4Mkk5XtjKfvpDMb+mQZLFlU2BCZWqqewSz/grfhXMj O8Y+GMOutYrA4D5AQHM7lqB3hAuKnatAJjp5JAbodnk6H9xsFQgsT9a5wJix9Dl/ BZxvertM7Wk= =ByyZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From mcr@sandelman.ca Fri Feb 24 13:14:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175ED21F86FF for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:14:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.744, BAYES_00=-2.599, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8hpX45A2qUeH for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:14:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [67.23.6.41]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62CA621F87DB for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from marajade.sandelman.ca (unknown [132.213.238.4]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23055344B9; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:11:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by marajade.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id D615A9827A; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from marajade.sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marajade.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CC598182; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:13:58 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: roll@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <85A23E0910B2FB4B8EF60D0888CB083648C30D@EVS2.nam.ci.root> References: <30931.1330033889@marajade.sandelman.ca> <85A23E0910B2FB4B8EF60D0888CB083648C30D@EVS2.nam.ci.root> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.3; nmh 1.3-dev; XEmacs 21.4 (patch 22) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:13:58 -0500 Message-ID: <25671.1330118038@marajade.sandelman.ca> Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Cc: "Tsao, Tzeta" Subject: Re: [Roll] security solutions for ROLL X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 21:14:06 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> "Tzeta" =3D=3D Tzeta Tsao writes: Tzeta> My understanding of the DISCUSS on the security framework Tzeta> draft is that it seeks to address the perceived lack of key Tzeta> management for RPL. However, the second item in your post Tzeta> seems to go beyond that; is it a set of questions to justify Tzeta> the use or non-use of RPL security, for example? Please Tzeta> clarify. I agree that point #2 is almost a non-sequitar. My appologies for this, I should have seperated it out. It came out of a discussion thread which I think was not well archived. (In fact, due to top-posting, I could barely understand it) What I did was share three things with the ADs involved to confirm my understanding prior to posting. I think it is up to the writers of the applicability statement to decide if they want to recommend layer-2 or layer-3 security for an LLN deployment in their environment that includes RPL.=20=20 If they recommend layer-2, then it is, "not our problem". If they recommend layer-3 or do not make a clear recommendation, then there needs to be a clear set of questions. These are questions relating to the knobs which are presently available in rpl-19, not to things that we might invent to do key management.=20=20 We are making the same request in these documents for things like MinHopRankInc, Storing Mode, etc. draft-ietf-roll-security-framework has essentially setup a list of requirements, which rpl-19 has tried to satisfy with some knobs. For instance, should an industrial network operate with Authentication Enabled? Yes/No. Should they use KIM 0, 1 or 2? If so, what LVL? draft-ietf-roll-security-framework should be identifying why we have those 3 x 4 choices. (i.e. what were the security requirements that made us decide we needed MAC-32/ENC-MAC-32 and 64-bit versions) >> -----Original Message----- From: roll-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Tzeta> Of >> Michael Richardson Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:51 PM To: >> roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] security solutions for ROLL >>=20 >>=20 >> 1) there is an Security AD DISCUSS from Stephen Farrell/Tim Polk. >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-security- >> framework/ballot/#stephen-farrell It has been there for 9 months, >> and we need to act on it, because this DISCUSS is keeping >> draft-ietf-roll-of0-20 from advancing, and that will keep >> draft-ietf-roll-rpl-19 from being published. >>=20 >> So to be clear, this chain of dependancies/references means that >> while rpl-19 has been done for some time, it won't get published >> until we do something. >>=20 >> Stephen Farrell will lift his DISCUSS on this and let us proceed >> if he sees some credible plan to get useable security into the >> layer-3 of RPL. >>=20 >> For a lot of you, you have assumed security at layer-2 is enough, >> and you may never care about this mechanism, but I still need >> your participation here. >>=20 >> 2) We will need to provide, in the >> draft-ietf-roll-security-framework, a clear set of security >> related *questions* that each applicability statement will need >> to answer. In esssence, this is a template that needs to be >> filled out. >>=20 >> 3) A proposal for moving forward is to adopt/adapt MIKEY >> (RFC3830) for our uses. This has been proposed in: >> draft-alexander-roll-mikey-lln-key-mgmt >>=20 >> This draft needs to be resubmitted for the WG to consider it. (A >> rumour is that it can be found at: >> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-alexander-roll-mikey-lln-key-mgmt- >> 02.txt ) >>=20 >> The WG is open to other proposals, but they need to come in >> quickly. We do not need to complete the work, but we do need to >> know what Tzeta> work >> we need to do, and we need to update our milestones to include >> that work in order that we can progress. >>=20 >> -- >> ] He who is tired of Weird Al is tired of life! | firewalls [ ] >> Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works, Ottawa, ON |net >> architect[ ] mcr@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca >> http://www.sandelman.ottawa.on.ca/ Tzeta> |device >> driver[ Kyoto Plus: watch the video >> then sign the >> petition. --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUAT0f9lYqHRg3pndX9AQIm0gQArl6nL/JOZnRSbGhYsX22khXY0cA6qMhy PuN31zU8d83yab+zNYiJvQZz5iPxItP6B5ubcI5Jb0XaioOjPr4DozKNlmJDFMQU SikYHlApuR175mpO/R+IK4GoU5zSnfG7Ch9VkbyIb6/n6Uu6WxWVRadqBrsOejie uaO8HO9/a0s= =2KT7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From jpv@cisco.com Fri Feb 24 18:31:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2113421E803A for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:31:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -107.943 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-107.943 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_33=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, SARE_GIF_ATTACH=1.42, SARE_SPEC_LEO_LINE03e=0.635, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rDqT0AfpdbcE for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:31:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtv-iport-4.cisco.com (mtv-iport-4.cisco.com [173.36.130.15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A89A21E803D for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:31:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=jpv@cisco.com; l=19523; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1330137079; x=1331346679; h=from:subject:date:message-id:cc:to:mime-version; bh=/NcH+MZJl1uzWrjhs14d8VQ3YJrOa+9AFzY3aV7GLaI=; b=dH29TTEHkeJkzxrT3EHNJhGYsg0CDKIIS2+YKsxM0Fg8Q5S0zhQHptta o6YQlL9xPYfAxa2WAaUE5wgq2D8o8hQWNVwVqT3XDXM7bPKDtCdxNEknn ke674nV4lLlSaEqfjCEKg9SUqi4RH04k00i6NZcYne8FCdTZs5zhTJCHB Y=; X-Files: color-palette-4x4.gif : 102 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah8HAMlGSE+rRDoH/2dsb2JhbABEglFCnl2IJgGJC4EHgXgHDQFRFTgBAgQkFQEFCTcSAQYDGYdjAQugQAGNLIlEjHoRBAcKICMCGQQBCgKEWwgJBQMDAwMPBhQ4DAYIgmtjBIhPhAmDFIVPhV2NM4EyBA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,479,1325462400"; d="gif'147?scan'147,208,217,147";a="32291898" Received: from mtv-core-2.cisco.com ([171.68.58.7]) by mtv-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Feb 2012 02:31:18 +0000 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by mtv-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1P2VIsp031982; Sat, 25 Feb 2012 02:31:18 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.174]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:31:18 -0800 Received: from [10.154.200.227] ([10.154.200.227]) by xfe-sjc-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:31:17 -0800 From: JP Vasseur Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5693701C-5639-4BBB-8F9C-5796D0A00F0E" Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 18:31:17 -0800 Message-Id: To: roll WG Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2012 02:31:17.0951 (UTC) FILETIME=[8D9524F0:01CCF365] Cc: Michael Richardson , David Culler Subject: [Roll] Reminder: important dates, slots request for Paris' meeting, draft agenda, ... X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 02:31:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5693701C-5639-4BBB-8F9C-5796D0A00F0E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear all, As a reminder, here are the important dates: IETF 83: March 25-30, 2012, Paris, France Download .ICS file of important dates for IETF 83 Subscribe to important dates calendar for IETF 83: = http://www.ietf.org/meeting/83/IETF-83-important-dates.ics 2011-12-19 (Week of): IETF Online Registration opens. 2011-12-19 (Monday): Working Group and BOF scheduling begins. To request = a Working Group session, use the IETF Meeting Session Request Tool. 2012-01-30 (Monday): Cutoff date for requests to schedule Working Group = meetings at 17:00 PT (UTC -8). To request a Working Group session, use = the IETF Meeting Session Request Tool. 2012-02-13 (Monday): Cutoff date for BOF proposal requests to Area = Directors at 17:00 PT (UTC -8). To request a BOF, please see = instructions on Requesting a BOF. 2012-02-16 (Thursday): Cutoff date for Area Directors to approve BOFs at = 17:00 PT (UTC -8). 2012-02-23 (Thursday): Preliminary agenda published for comment. 2012-02-27 (Monday): Cutoff date for requests to reschedule Working = Group and BOF meetings 17:00 PT (UTC -8). 2012-02-27 (Monday): Working Group Chair approval for initial document = (Version -00) submissions appreciated by 17:00 PT (UTC -8). 2012-03-02 (Friday): Final agenda to be published. 2012-03-05 (Monday): Internet Draft Cut-off for initial document (-00) = submission by 17:00 PT (UTC -8), upload using IETF ID Submission Tool. 2012-03-12 (Monday): Internet Draft final submission cut-off by 17:00 PT = (UTC -7), upload using IETF ID Submission Tool. 2012-03-14 (Wednesday): Draft Working Group agendas due by 17:00 PT (UTC = -7), upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. 2012-03-16 (Friday): Early Bird registration and payment cut-off at = 17:00 PT (UTC -7). 2012-03-19 (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by 17:00 PT (UTC = -7), upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. 2012-03-19 (Monday): Registration cancellation cut-off at 17:00 PT (UTC = -7). 2012-03-23 (Friday): Final Pre-Registration and Pre-Payment cut-off at = 17:00 local meeting time. 2012-03-25 - 2012-03-30: 83rd IETF Meeting in Paris, France. 2012-04-27 (Friday): Proceedings submission cutoff date by 17:00 PT (UTC = -7), upload using IETF Meeting Materials Management Tool. 2012-05-16 (Wednesday): Proceedings submission corrections cutoff date = by 17:00 PT (UTC -7), upload usingIETF Meeting Materials Management = Tool. Draft agenda: WEDNESDAY, March 28, 2012 1130-1300 Break - Hall Maillot A 1300-1500 Afternoon Session I 252B APP hybi=09 BiDirectional or Server-Initiated HTTP WG drafts: tar|pdf 243 APP repute=09 Reputation Services WG drafts: tar|pdf 253 INT netext=09 Network-Based Mobility Extensions WG drafts: tar|pdf 252A RAI ecrit=09 Emergency Context Resolution with Internet Technologies WG drafts: = tar|pdf 242AB RTG karp=09 Keying and Authentication for Routing Protocols WG drafts: tar|pdf Maillot RTG nvo3=09 Overlay Networking BOF drafts: tar|pdf 241 RTG roll=09 Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG drafts: tar|pdf 212/213 SEC nea=09 Network Endpoint Assessment WG drafts: tar|pdf Please let us know no later than March 3 if you would like to request a = slot for the ROLL Working Group meeting. Thanks. JP and Michael.= --Apple-Mail=_5693701C-5639-4BBB-8F9C-5796D0A00F0E Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C662FC35-DA32-4FA3-87B9-4A501C8A9DE8" --Apple-Mail=_C662FC35-DA32-4FA3-87B9-4A501C8A9DE8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Dear = all,

As a reminder, here are the important = dates:

IETF = 83: March 25-30, 2012, Paris, = France

Download .ICS file of important dates for IETF 83
Subscribe to = important dates calendar for IETF 83: http:/= /www.ietf.org/meeting/83/IETF-83-important-dates.ics

    = IETF Meeting Session Request Tool.
  • 2012-01-30 = (Monday): Cutoff date for requests to schedule Working = Group meetings at 17:00 PT (UTC -8). To request a Working Group session, = use the = IETF Meeting Session Request Tool.
  • 2012-02-13 = (Monday): Cutoff date for BOF proposal requests to Area = Directors at 17:00 PT (UTC -8). To request a BOF, please see = instructions on Requesting a = BOF.
  • 2012-02-16 (Thursday): Cutoff = date for Area Directors to approve BOFs at 17:00 PT (UTC = -8).
  • 2012-02-23 (Thursday): Preliminary = agenda published for comment.
  • 2012-02-27 = (Monday): Cutoff date for requests to reschedule Working = Group and BOF meetings 17:00 PT (UTC -8).
  • 2012-02-27 = (Monday): Working Group Chair approval for initial = document (Version -00) submissions appreciated by 17:00 PT (UTC = -8).
  • 2012-03-02 (Friday): Final agenda to = be published.
  • 2012-03-05 = (Monday): Internet Draft Cut-off for initial document = (-00) submission by 17:00 PT (UTC -8), upload using IETF ID Submission = Tool.
  • 2012-03-12 (Monday): Internet = Draft final submission cut-off by 17:00 PT (UTC -7), upload = using IETF ID = Submission Tool.
  • 2012-03-14 = (Wednesday): Draft Working Group agendas due by 17:00 PT = (UTC -7), upload using IETF = Meeting Materials Management Tool.
  • 2012-03-16 = (Friday): Early Bird registration and payment cut-off at = 17:00 PT (UTC -7).
  • 2012-03-19 = (Monday): Revised Working Group agendas due by 17:00 PT = (UTC -7), upload using IETF = Meeting Materials Management Tool.
  • 2012-03-19 = (Monday): Registration cancellation cut-off at 17:00 PT = (UTC -7).
  • 2012-03-23 (Friday): Final = Pre-Registration and Pre-Payment cut-off at 17:00 local meeting = time.
  • 2012-03-25 - 2012-03-30: 83rd IETF Meeting in = Paris, France.
  • 2012-04-27 = (Friday): Proceedings submission cutoff date by 17:00 PT = (UTC -7), upload using IETF = Meeting Materials Management Tool.
  • 2012-05-16 = (Wednesday): Proceedings submission corrections cutoff = date by 17:00 PT (UTC -7), upload usingIETF = Meeting Materials Management = Tool.

Draft = agenda:

WEDNESDAY, March 28, = 2012

Hall= Maillot A
1300-1500 Afternoon Session I
252BAPPhybi
3D"" BiDirecti= onal or Server-Initiated HTTP WGdrafts: ta= r|pd= f
243APPrepute
3D"" Reputatio= n Services WG= tar|= pdf
253INTnetext
3D"" Network-B= ased Mobility Extensions WGdrafts: = tar|= pdf
252ARAIecrit
3D"" Emergency= Context Resolution with Internet Technologies WGdrafts: t= ar|p= df
242ABRTGkarp
3D"" Keying = and Authentication for Routing Protocols WGdrafts: ta= r|pd= f
Maillotnvo3
3D"" Overlay = Networking BOFta= r|pd= f
241RTGroll
3D"" Routing = Over Low power and Lossy networks WGdrafts: ta= r|pd= f
212/213nea
3D"" Network = Endpoint Assessment WGdrafts: tar= |pdf=

Please = let us know no later than March 3 if you would like to request a slot = for the ROLL Working Group meeting.

Thanks.

JP and = Michael.
= --Apple-Mail=_C662FC35-DA32-4FA3-87B9-4A501C8A9DE8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename=color-palette-4x4.gif Content-Type: image/gif; name="color-palette-4x4.gif" Content-Id: R0lGODlhEAAQAMIDAAAA//8AAP//AP///6CgoP///////////yH5BAEKAAcALAAAAAAQABAAAAMr eLrc/jA6Qmm4d1aCc9tcp1VdMFpiA6yr4LoO275CLNO1etM2i0vAoLCRAAA7 --Apple-Mail=_C662FC35-DA32-4FA3-87B9-4A501C8A9DE8-- --Apple-Mail=_5693701C-5639-4BBB-8F9C-5796D0A00F0E-- From Alireza.Sahami@vis.uni-stuttgart.de Thu Feb 23 05:20:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C20221F8701; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:20:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.759 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.759 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ybMvnLWTmmoq; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from Bagatelle.visus.uni-stuttgart.de (bagatelle.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.215.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F6721F86FF; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 05:20:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from BAGATELLE.visus.uni-stuttgart.de ([fe80::ac27:a88c:6e43:c5d7]) by Bagatelle.visus.uni-stuttgart.de ([fe80::ac27:a88c:6e43:c5d7%19]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:20:26 +0100 From: Alireza Sahami To: Alireza Sahami Thread-Topic: INSS2012- Call for Poster Thread-Index: AQHM8i3nVqdTnAfMI0qh/u2jIeQrDw== Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:20:25 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US, de-DE Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [129.69.180.23] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CB6BFBA829BA6alirezasahamivisunistuttgartde_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:00:29 -0800 Subject: [Roll] INSS2012- Call for Poster X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:20:30 -0000 --_000_CB6BFBA829BA6alirezasahamivisunistuttgartde_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ninth International Conference on Networked Sensing Systems June 11 - 14, 2012 // Antwerp, Belgium http://www.inss-conf.org Call for Posters Posters are able to facilitate vividly latest research results, creative ideas and innovative applications. Our experiences from recent INSS conferences revealed that they promote intense and fruitful discussions with interested participants from industry and academia to exchange knowledge, novel methodologies, new concepts and new perceptions directly. The wide range topic of sensor network related research includes sensor technology, hardware platforms, networking, security, middleware, applications, programming and architecture, but is not limited to them. Submissions from both industries and universities are encouraged. Posters Submission Instructions We invite you to submit a short paper (max. 2 pages) for a Poster contribution. Please send your paper including the description of your poster in PDF to Andreas Bulling (andreas.bulling@acm.org) with the subject line reading "INSS Poster Submission". Link of manuscript template as following: IEEE Transaction Format Posters Presentation and Publication Information Accepted Poster contributions will be presented in a separate session. We invite conference participants giving oral presentations to present a Poster, in addition. This will promote additional intense discussions on those topics. Participants giving already an oral presentation and which have registered for a Poster presentation in addition, do not need to submit a second paper. These participants register for a Poster by an e-mail to the poster chairs (Jb Labrune (jean-baptiste.labrune@alcatel-lucent.com) and Andreas Bulling (andreas.bulling@acm.org)). Short papers of= accepted poster contributions will be published in the conference proceedings. Important Dates: =A7 Submission deadline (max. 2 pages for poster): March 30, 2012 =A7 Notification of acceptance: April 27, 2012 =A7 Camera-ready version: May 11, 2012 =A7 Conference dates: June 11 - 14, 2012 --_000_CB6BFBA829BA6alirezasahamivisunistuttgartde_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <38166CD935EB3E4CB50B1F1E4B1FA147@visus.uni-stuttgart.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ninth Internation= al Conference on Networked Sensing Systems
June 11 - 14, 201= 2 // Antwerp, Belgium


Call for Posters<= /div>

Posters are able = to facilitate vividly latest research results, creative
ideas and innovat= ive applications. Our experiences from recent INSS
conferences revea= led that they promote intense and fruitful discussions
with interested p= articipants from industry and academia to exchange
knowledge, novel = methodologies, new concepts and new perceptions directly.
The wide range to= pic of sensor network related research includes sensor
technology, hardw= are platforms, networking, security, middleware,
applications, pro= gramming and architecture, but is not limited to them.
Submissions from = both industries and universities are encouraged.

Posters Submissio= n Instructions

We invite you to = submit a short paper (max. 2 pages) for a Poster
contribution. Ple= ase send your paper including the description of your
poster in PDF to = Andreas Bulling (andreas.bulling= @acm.org) with the subject
line reading &quo= t;INSS Poster Submission".

Link of manuscrip= t template as following: IEEE Transaction Format

Posters Presentat= ion and Publication Information

Accepted Poster c= ontributions will be presented in a separate session. We
invite conference= participants giving oral presentations to present a
Poster, in additi= on. This will promote additional intense discussions on
those topics. Par= ticipants giving already an oral presentation and which
have registered f= or a Poster presentation in addition, do not need to
submit a second p= aper. These participants register for a Poster by an
e-mail to the pos= ter chairs (Jb Labrune
(andreas.bulling@acm.org)). Short papers of a= ccepted poster contributions
will be published= in the conference proceedings.

Important Dates:<= /div>

=A7 Submission de= adline (max. 2 pages for poster): March 30, 2012
=A7 Notification = of acceptance: April 27, 2012
=A7 Camera-ready = version: May 11, 2012
=A7 Conference da= tes: June 11 - 14, 2012
--_000_CB6BFBA829BA6alirezasahamivisunistuttgartde_-- From sensys@cfpmail.info Thu Feb 23 12:15:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FCEC21F8752 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:15:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.118 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.118 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7GZCo9dY7lzJ for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F74E21F86C2 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:15:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by lahl5 with SMTP id l5so2256133lah.31 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:15:29 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of sensys@cfpmail.info designates 10.112.38.37 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.38.37; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of sensys@cfpmail.info designates 10.112.38.37 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=sensys@cfpmail.info Received: from mr.google.com ([10.112.38.37]) by 10.112.38.37 with SMTP id d5mr1258294lbk.5.1330028129210 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:15:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.38.37 with SMTP id d5mr1048057lbk.5.1330028128152; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:15:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.84.196 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 12:15:28 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [106.187.39.232] Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 04:15:28 +0800 Message-ID: From: "SenSys'12 Publicity" To: undisclosed-recipients:; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnR1/3C6JYiFoIsAfRl3HJyFsnvZ8wUzr74xeMg5xJCEuPHRbZo30NsOWoN3ANYOWCAMrXN X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:00:30 -0800 Subject: [Roll] [CFP] SenSys 2012: The ACM Conference on Embedded Networked Sensor Systems X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:01:42 -0000 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D *Paper Registration and Abstract: =A0 April 1, 2012, 11:59 pm PDT* C A L L =A0F O R =A0 P A P E R S **** ACM SenSys 2012 **** Toronto, Canada November 6-9, 2010 http://sensys.acm.org/2012/ The ACM Conference on Embedded Networked Sensor Systems (SenSys 2012) solicits innovative research papers on the systems issues of networked, embedded sensing and control. This is an exciting time in the development of the conference, as we reach the 10th anniversary of the first conference held in Los Angeles. =A0ACM Se= nSys brings together academic industry, and government professionals to a premie= r single-track, highly selective forum on sensor network design, implementation, and application. We seek technical papers describing original ideas, groundbreaking results and/or quantified system experiences involving sensor systems. SenSys takes a broad systems perspective of sensor applications and systems. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to, the following: =A0- Experience with real-world deployments and applications =A0- Resource management and OS support for sensing systems =A0- Energy management and harvesting for long-term operation =A0- Innovative sensing applications across broad areas (e.g., environmenta= l =A0 =A0monitoring, mobile healthcare, transportation, education) =A0- Wireless communication systems and protocols for sensor networks =A0- Sensor systems leveraging smart phones, body area networks, RFIDs, =A0 =A0robots, etc. =A0- Sensing technologies for pervasive computing =A0- Sensor network measurement and characterization =A0- Programming paradigms and models for distributed sensing =A0- Sensor network debugging, fault-tolerance and reliability =A0- Sensing, actuation and control in cyber-physical systems =A0- Distributed sensor data storage, retrieval, processing and management =A0- Approaches to sensor network architecture =A0- Sensor data quality, integrity, and trustworthiness =A0- In-network data reduction, inference, and signal processing =A0- Security and privacy in sensor networks =A0- Time and location estimation and management Submissions will be judged on originality, significance, clarity, relevance= , and correctness. In addition to citing relevant, published work, authors must relate their submissions to relevant submissions of their own that are simultaneously under review for this or other venues. SUBMISSION GUIDELINES Submissions must be full papers, at most 14 single-spaced 8.5" x 11" pages, including figures, tables, and references, two-column format, using 10-poin= t type on 11-point (tight single-spaced) leading, with a maximum text block o= f 7" wide x 9" deep with an intercolumn spacing of .25". Authors must make a good faith effort to anonymize their submissions. Papers that do not meet the size, formatting, and anonymization requirements will not be reviewed. Accepted submissions will be available on the ACM digital library at least one week before the conference. All papers must be submitted through the conference submission site: http://sensys2012.eecs.harvard.edu/ IMPORTANT DATES Paper Registration and Abstract: =A0 April 1, 2012, 11:59 pm PDT Paper Submission Deadline: =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 April 8, 2012, 11:59 pm PDT Notification of Paper Acceptance: =A0July 16, 2012 Note that these are hard deadlines - no extensions will be granted. =3D=3D=3D Committees Organizing committee General Chair Rasit Eskicioglu (University of Manitoba) Program Chairs Andrew T. Campbell (Dartmouth College) Koen Langendoen (Delft University of Technology) Poster Chair Thomas Schmid (University of Utah) Demo Chairs Jakob Eriksson (University of Illinois, Chicago) Pei Zhang (CMU) Local Arrangements Chairs Geoffrey Challen (University of Buffalo) Publicity Chairs Qing Cao (University of Tennessee) Alberta Cerpa (UC Merced) Xiaofan Jiang (Microsoft Research Asia) Chiara Petrioli (University of Rome La Sapienza) Publication Chair Karthik Dantu (Harvard University) Workshop Chair Bodhi Priyantha (Microsoft Research) N2Women Chair Geethapriya Thamilarasu (SUNYIT) Doctoral Colloquium Chair Polly Huang (NTU) Student Travel Award Chair Radu Stoleru (Texas A&M University) Web Site Chair Chieh-Jan Mike Liang (Microsoft Research Asia) Technical program committee Tarek Abdelzaher (UIUC) Philippe Bonnet (Copenhagen) Srdjan Capkun (ETH Zurich) Geoffrey Challen (Buffalo) Hao Chu (NTU) Landon Cox (Duke University) Prabal Dutta (Michigan) Jakob Eriksson (UIC) Deepak Ganesan (UMASS Amherst) Jie Gao (Stony Brook) Omprakash Gnawali (Houston) Santosh Kumar (Memphis) Brano Kusy (CSIRO) Philip Levis (Stanford) Chenyang Lu (WUSTL) Cecilia Mascolo (Cambridge) Emiliano Miluzzo (AT&T Labs) Thomas Moscibroda (Microsoft) Luca Mottola (SICS) Amy Murphy (FBK) Vijay Raghunathan (Purdue) Utz Roedig (Lancaster) Anthony Rowe (CMU) Sivan Toledo (Tel-Aviv) Niki Trigoni (Oxford) Kamin Whitehouse (Virginia) Steering committee SIGMOBILE representative: Chiara Petrioli SIGCOMM representative: Sylvia Ratnasamy (2008-) Sensys 2011 chairs: Jie Liu, Philip Levis, Kay Roemer Sensys 2010 chairs: Jan Beutel, Deepak Ganesan, John Stankovic (current SC chair, 2011) Sensys 2009 chairs: David Culler, Jie Liu, Matt Welsh (SC chair, 2010) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D From sensys@cfpmail.info Thu Feb 23 17:10:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 415EF11E80A1 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:10:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i2kl5XI962Kr for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EB311E8097 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:10:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by lahl5 with SMTP id l5so2578256lah.31 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of sensys@cfpmail.info designates 10.112.87.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.87.234; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of sensys@cfpmail.info designates 10.112.87.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=sensys@cfpmail.info Received: from mr.google.com ([10.112.87.234]) by 10.112.87.234 with SMTP id bb10mr45903lbb.33.1330045813933 (num_hops = 1); Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:10:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.87.234 with SMTP id bb10mr38453lbb.33.1330045812824; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:10:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.84.196 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Feb 2012 17:10:12 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [71.88.215.247] Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 20:10:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: "SenSys'12 Publicity" To: undisclosed-recipients:; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnWaVqI1BCEkPA7PCaNFutXY8Etzvsdt6k+PMTslxfT7gK3Fz52PgMrehUxw2JSlj9JRzSH X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:00:30 -0800 Subject: [Roll] ACM SenSys 2012: Call for Workshop Proposals X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:03:02 -0000 [Apologies if you got multiple copies of this email.] ====================================================================== Call for Workshop Proposals ACM SenSys 2012 Toronto, Canada November 6-9, 2012 http://sensys.acm.org/2012/ The 10th ACM Conference on Embedded Networked Sensor Systems (SenSys 2012) is a highly selective, single-track forum for the presentation of research results on systems issues in the area of embedded, networked sensors. Distributed systems based on networked sensors and actuators with embedded computation capabilities allow for an instrumentation of the physical world at an unprecedented scale and density, thus enabling a new generation of monitoring and control applications. SenSys provides a cross-disciplinary venue for researchers addressing the rich space of networked sensor system design issues to interact, present and exchange research results, and demonstrate their work in a hands-on research exhibition. Workshops will be a full day event on the first day of the conference. The ideal workshop proposal should focus on a specific area, be of current interest, and be able to attract a number of high-quality submissions. The proposal should be no longer than three pages and should clearly identify the name of the workshop, theme of the workshop, topic areas of interest to define the scope, names and affiliation of main organizers/program chairs and potential program committee members, the name of the organizing committee member who will be the main point of contact, a tentative call for papers with workshop deadlines and expected number of submissions and participants. The proposal should also specify if this will be a full-day or half-day workshop, and any logistical needs (demos/audio/video projection etc). If this workshop has been held before, also include its history (number of submissions, number of accepted papers, and number of attendees). Please send proposals in PDF format by March 23rd, 2012, 12:00 midnight EST, to the workshop chair, Bodhi Priyantha at bodhip@microsoft.com IMPORTANT DATES: March 23rd, 2012: Proposal submission deadline April 13th, 2012: Notification of acceptance November 6, 2012: SenSys'12 Workshops November 7-9, 2012: SenSys'12 Technical Sessions We look forward to your submissions, Workshop Chair Bodhi Priyantha, Microsoft Research General Chair Rasit Eskicioglu, University of Manitoba From peter.van.der.stok@philips.com Mon Feb 27 10:06:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1E221F87E1 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:06:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sFApjKFGKnfj for ; 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X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 14:32:14 -0000 On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 06:31:17PM -0800, JP Vasseur wrote: > Please let us know no later than March 3 if you would like to > request a slot for the ROLL Working Group meeting. We are planning to submit an updated version of the RPL-MIB . Our goal is to narrow down the number of marked issues but we will likely continue to have some open issues left where WG input likely will help us. So if there is time, we like to use some of it. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From dat@exegin.com Wed Feb 29 22:26:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD4E21E800C for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:26:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.001, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7lA0FSXAK4wm for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE79521E8017 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by wicr5 with SMTP id r5so159669wic.31 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of dat@exegin.com designates 10.180.84.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.84.170; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of dat@exegin.com designates 10.180.84.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=dat@exegin.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.84.170]) by 10.180.84.170 with SMTP id a10mr23893863wiz.9.1330583193016 (num_hops = 1); Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.84.170 with SMTP id a10mr19075347wiz.9.1330583192738; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.3.26] (196-210-219-220.dynamic.isadsl.co.za. [196.210.219.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dw7sm39567284wib.4.2012.02.29.22.26.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 29 Feb 2012 22:26:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F4F1692.7050500@exegin.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 08:26:26 +0200 From: Dario Tedeschi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110922 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roll@ietf.org References: <6B6AF64303C21343BF760595E1DF15FF04609A@039-SN2MPN1-021.039d.mgd.msft.net> In-Reply-To: <6B6AF64303C21343BF760595E1DF15FF04609A@039-SN2MPN1-021.039d.mgd.msft.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000002010700030605060206" X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnyBI5NBiRCFt4VIif/nmWIWaEUwDMGtAiR61Np6uQFY46/g0NOreWn1jKPZNBbgqWrWwe6 Subject: Re: [Roll] MRHOF Objective function (using ETX metric) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 06:26:35 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000002010700030605060206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, how exactly is MinHopRankIncrease used for rank calculation in MRHOF? In the case of using the ETX metric, could it be something like the following: my_rank = cur_min_path_cost = parent_rank + (MinHopRankIncrease * {ETX of link with parent}) Where MinHopRankIncrease = 128. Please could someone clarify. Dario On 12-02-21 12:17 PM, Costin Michaela Catalina-B06063 wrote: > > Hello guys, > > While reading MRHOF draft (for ETX metric), I identified some > discrepancies between the RPL and the MRHOF draft: > > ˇThe rank of a DODAG root according to ROLL RPL draft is > MinHopRankIncrease (default value = 0x100). According to MRHOF, the > rank of the DODAG root is MIN_PATH_COST (default value = 0) > > ˇThe algorithm for computing node rank is not clearly described in the > MRHOF draft. Once the path cost for all neighbors is computed and the > preferred parent is selected, the node rank is calculated just by > adding MinHopRankIncrease to the smallest path cost (to the preferred > parent path cost)? > > Do you have any comments related to these issues? > > Thanks, > > *Catalina Costin* > Freescale Semiconductor Romania > Phone: +40 21 3052217 > mihaela.costin@freescale.com > ======================================================= > This e-mail, and any associated attachments have been classified as: > [x] Public > [ ] Freescale Semiconductor Internal Use Only > [ ] Freescale Semiconductor Confidential Proprietary > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll --------------000002010700030605060206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, how exactly is MinHopRankIncrease used for rank calculation in MRHOF?

In the case of using the ETX metric, could it be something like the following:
my_rank = cur_min_path_cost = parent_rank + (MinHopRankIncrease * {ETX of link with parent})
Where MinHopRankIncrease = 128.

Please could someone clarify.

Dario

On 12-02-21 12:17 PM, Costin Michaela Catalina-B06063 wrote:

Hello guys,

 

While reading MRHOF draft (for ETX metric),  I identified some discrepancies between the RPL and the MRHOF draft:

·         The rank of a DODAG root according to ROLL RPL draft is MinHopRankIncrease (default value = 0x100). According to MRHOF,  the rank of the DODAG root is MIN_PATH_COST (default value = 0)

·         The algorithm for computing node rank is not clearly described in the MRHOF draft. Once the path cost for all neighbors is computed and the preferred parent is selected, the node rank is calculated just by adding MinHopRankIncrease to the smallest path cost (to the preferred parent path cost)?

 

Do you have any comments related to these issues?

 

Thanks,

 

 

Catalina Costin
Freescale Semiconductor Romania
Phone: +40 21 3052217
mihaela.costin@freescale.com
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