From mariainesrobles@googlemail.com Mon Dec 2 14:56:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6B41ADEA7 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 14:56:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.777 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.777 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_74=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FN3hc4FrHOjQ for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 14:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vc0-x236.google.com (mail-vc0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568CB1ADF46 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 14:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id lc6so9208062vcb.27 for ; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 14:56:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=604qF6PGSZGJcN+XdJVIA2LHGCl86ZWxAUatPmjB+Y0=; b=OvOwIZU+xf5LKBKf8h7yiXhSG5K+efNw7imQTZhvYvAcIWM0savOJ66AM4xthZuoPG bWJyz0v+z/tvwn2sIPtyaGxtdc30+yUSOCISYJZo9LHY8eqgAZ+7lDuLwrYe8MuZPjY7 QXwpnxA76RfJAvTh3MdHKkg9eQkU6WQNH9YoQp8DW62NbOw98z1EQi3smcEpLuNUvHJC 8iWci54BiQ+VIUkiwWuuAMCFv3cEqx3GO5rHAp3SHbXPVwfC809SZxk9wrgtkC+WWnhr kHDTcycZW9Lje6SLVepWDaA2R12aDmgzQn+p//clb9GZa20/ZbE3Xs6St7ZsY11WxcQB jIXg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.113.194 with SMTP id ja2mr36488vdb.61.1386024965659; Mon, 02 Dec 2013 14:56:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.242.82 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Dec 2013 14:56:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 20:56:05 -0200 Message-ID: From: Ines Robles To: roll@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5485e02ba618d04ec9515d5 Cc: Michael Richardson Subject: Re: [Roll] Milestones changed for roll WG (IETF Secretariat) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 22:56:11 -0000 --bcaec5485e02ba618d04ec9515d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *Hi,Please note that in the new Milestones we have these deadlines:1)Jan 2014 Resolve question of whether to keep this in roll or 6tisch draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability It should be conversed with the 6tisch WG Some thread about this: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/6tisch/current/msg01079.html 2)Jan 2014 submit REVISED thread-analysis document based upon security directorate review to IESG draft-ietf-roll-security-threats IESG Evaluation: Summary: Has 3 DISCUSSes. Has enough positions to pass once DISCUSS positions are resolved. [http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-security-threats/ballot/ ]3)Feb 2014 Submit first draft of RPL applicability statement for Home Automation applications to the IESG to be considered as an Informational RFC Need feedback from the ML.4)Jun 2014 Evaluate WG progress, recharter or closeAre you agree with these deadlines? Please any comments are very welcome.Thanks and Regards,Ines Robles.* ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 07:22:46 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat To: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] Milestones changed for roll WG Message-ID: <20131129152246.21356.16485.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Changed milestone "WG to adopt RPL applicability statement for Industrial applications", resolved as "Done", added draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability to milestone. Changed milestone "WG to adopt RPL applicability statement Home for Automation applications", resolved as "Done", added draft-ietf-roll-applicability-home-building to milestone. Changed milestone "WG to adopt RPL applicability statement(s) for AMI networks", resolved as "Done", added draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami to milestone. Deleted milestone "WG to adopt RPL applicability statement Building Automation applications ". Deleted milestone "Submit first draft of RPL applicability statement for Industrial applications to the IESG to be considered as an Informational RFC". Deleted milestone "Submit RPL applicability statement for Home Automation applications to the IESG to be considered as an Informational RFC". Deleted milestone "Submit first draft of RPL applicability statement for Building Automation applications to the IESG to be considered as an Informational RFC". Changed milestone "Submit first draft of RPL applicability statement for Home Automation applications to the IESG to be considered as an Informational RFC", set due date to February 2014 from February 2013. Changed milestone "Evaluate WG progress, recharter or close", set due date to June 2014 from June 2013. URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/charter/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 07:24:52 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat To: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] Milestones changed for roll WG Message-ID: <20131129152452.20859.98752.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/charter/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 08:18:21 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat To: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] Milestones changed for roll WG Message-ID: <20131129161821.28538.12100.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Changed milestone "Resolve question of whether to keep this in roll or 6tisch", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. Changed milestone "submit REVISED thread-analysis document based upon security directorate review to IESG.", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone. URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/charter/ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 10:08:03 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat To: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] Milestones changed for roll WG Message-ID: <20131129180803.8472.70583.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Deleted milestone "WG to adopt reviewed template for applicability statements". URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/charter/ ************************************ --bcaec5485e02ba618d04ec9515d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,


Please no= te that in the new Milestones we have these deadlines:


1)=


Jan 2014 <= span class=3D"" style=3D"white-space:pre"> Resolve question of wheth= er to keep this in roll or 6tisch draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability


It should = be conversed with the 6tisch WG

Some threa= d about this: http://www.ietf.org/m= ail-archive/web/6tisch/current/msg01079.html


2)<= /p>

Jan 2014 <= span class=3D"" style=3D"white-space:pre"> submit REVISED thread-ana= lysis document based upon security directorate review to IESG draft-ietf-roll-security-threats


IESG Evalu= ation: Summary: Has 3 DISCUSSes. Has enough positions to pass once DISCUSS = positions are resolved. [htt= p://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-security-threats/ballot/]



3)<= /p>

Feb 2014 Submit first draft of = RPL applicability statement for Home Automation applications to the IESG to= be considered as an Informational RFC =A0


Need feedb= ack from the ML.


4)<= /p>

Jun 2014 Evaluate WG progress, rech= arter or close



Are you ag= ree with these deadlines?


Please any= comments are very welcome.


Thanks and= Regards,


Ines Roble= s.



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 07:22:46 -0800
From: IETF Secretariat <ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org>
To: roll@ietf.org
Subject: [Roll] Milestones changed for roll WG
Message-ID: <20131129152246.21356.16485.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"

Changed milestone "WG to adopt RPL applicability statement for
Industrial applications", resolved as "Done", added
draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability to milestone.

Changed milestone "WG to adopt RPL applicability statement Home for Automation applications", resolved as "Done", added
draft-ietf-roll-applicability-home-building to milestone.

Changed milestone "WG to adopt RPL applicability statement(s) for AMI<= br> networks", resolved as "Done", added draft-ietf-roll-applica= bility-ami
to milestone.

Deleted milestone "WG to adopt RPL applicability statement Building Automation applications ".

Deleted milestone "Submit first draft of RPL applicability statement for Industrial applications to the IESG to be considered as an
Informational RFC".

Deleted milestone "Submit RPL applicability statement for Home
Automation applications to the IESG to be considered as an
Informational RFC".

Deleted milestone "Submit first draft of RPL applicability statement for Building Automation applications to the IESG to be considered as
an Informational RFC".

Changed milestone "Submit first draft of RPL applicability statement for Home Automation applications to the IESG to be considered as an
Informational RFC", set due date to February 2014 from February 2013.<= br>
Changed milestone "Evaluate WG progress, recharter or close", set= due
date to June 2014 from June 2013.

URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/charter/


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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 07:24:52 -0800
From: IETF Secretariat <ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org>
To: roll@ietf.org
Subject: [Roll] Milestones changed for roll WG
Message-ID: <20131129152452.20859.98752.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"



URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/charter/


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 08:18:21 -0800
From: IETF Secretariat <ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org>
To: roll@ietf.org
Subject: [Roll] Milestones changed for roll WG
Message-ID: <20131129161821.28538.12100.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"

Changed milestone "Resolve question of whether to keep this in roll or=
6tisch", set state to active from review, accepting new milestone.

Changed milestone "submit REVISED thread-analysis document based upon<= br> security directorate review to IESG.", set state to active from
review, accepting new milestone.

URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/charter/


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Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 10:08:03 -0800
From: IETF Secretariat <ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org>
To: roll@ietf.org
Subject: [Roll] Milestones changed for roll WG
Message-ID: <20131129180803.8472.70583.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"

Deleted milestone "WG to adopt reviewed template for applicability
statements".

URL: http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/charter/

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--bcaec5485e02ba618d04ec9515d5-- From jvasseur@cisco.com Fri Dec 6 11:18:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112121AE112 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 11:18:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.502 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.502 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PP2OQuFEL8oT for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 11:18:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-4.cisco.com (alln-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.142.91]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FABB1AE0ED for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 11:18:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2024; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1386357489; x=1387567089; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=IfjOczTB5T23qqGj9j1f2MVjJR/oG/BtACX8bN7xXDM=; b=HjXXDDcNs/lw7ktnkhMZWNo3b/JSVL7Lhn2iS0lh51vVT4p9Kgz7NTZO RuYw3/nWUkH9TviIRKiA/urQkEtoiP5/USmc+KRJGwPP3ttLMitQf9z35 B7ytU2Qpm8LA/tk5HXPUEt7L/bu0i8e4Nrgaijyq+nlpuBly7BuOS6sEz 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgMFACciolKtJXG8/2dsb2JhbABZgweBC7kEgSMWdIIlAQEBAwE6OQEFBQsCAQg2EDIlAgQBDQWHfAbBBheOXTMHgyCBEwOYFJITgymCKg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.93,842,1378857600"; d="scan'208";a="4916939" Received: from rcdn-core2-1.cisco.com ([173.37.113.188]) by alln-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Dec 2013 19:18:09 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com [173.36.12.80]) by rcdn-core2-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id rB6JI976015424 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 6 Dec 2013 19:18:09 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x02.cisco.com ([169.254.4.34]) by xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com ([173.36.12.80]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 6 Dec 2013 13:18:09 -0600 From: "JP Vasseur (jvasseur)" To: Adrian Farrel , "roll@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Working group chairs Thread-Index: AQHO8rflu5FwHIpcAES4wP6/ki1iHQ== Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 19:18:08 +0000 Message-ID: References: <047501ceea9b$daae9cb0$900bd610$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <047501ceea9b$daae9cb0$900bd610$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.60.114.226] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Michael Richardson , "mariainesrobles@googlemail.com" Subject: Re: [Roll] Working group chairs X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 19:18:15 -0000 Dear all, Just a few words to tell you that I really enjoyed forming and co-chairing = ROLL for 5 years. I would like to sincerely thank Adrian, and all other active contributors o= f the WG and there are quite a few ! As a WG we can be proud of the work achieved so far= with=20 millions of nodes running RPL and dozens of implementations, and there is m= uch=20 more to do :-) ! Thanks also to Michael who so smoothly stepped in as co-ch= air quite some time ago now, and I have no doubt that Ines will be an outstanding WG = co-chair. As pointed out by Adrian, I suggested to step down as co-chair (lack of tim= e ...) since I have been focussing on other technologies, still related to IoT. See you = soon. Cheers. JP. On Nov 26, 2013, at 12:37 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi ROLL, >=20 > JP Vasseur has served as ROLL WG chair since the working group was create= d. In > fact he also drove the BoF that led to the working group and working firs= t with > David Cullen and more recently with Michael Richardson, JP led the workin= g group > through the development of a broad set of requirements and specification = of RPL > which has now seen some significant interop testing and deployments. >=20 > But JP now tells me he is a bit too busy to give the WG the attention it > deserves and he wants to step down so that someone else can help run the = group. >=20 > Ines Robles has been serving as working group secretary for a relatively = short > time, and she has already made an impact keeping an eye on the tasks and > shepherding a couple of documents. At this stage in the WG's work cycle t= his is > exactly the set of skills we need push the remaining documents forward an= d to > make sure that all of the issues are tracked correctly, so I am happy to = appoint > Ines as the new co-chair of ROLL to work alongside Michael Richardson. >=20 > Many thanks to JP for his work, and good luck to Ines. >=20 > Thanks, > Adrian >=20 From yusuke.doi@toshiba.co.jp Mon Dec 9 22:31:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142781AD8D8 for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 22:31:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.393 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.393 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ImOIfgrzA_7m for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 22:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from imx12.toshiba.co.jp (imx12.toshiba.co.jp [61.202.160.132]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB281AE21F for ; Mon, 9 Dec 2013 22:31:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from arc11.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.90.127]) by imx12.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id rBA6Uuff018415 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:30:56 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by arc11.toshiba.co.jp id rBA6Uucd028997 for roll@ietf.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:30:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from ovp11.toshiba.co.jp [133.199.90.148] by arc11.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id RAA28995; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:30:56 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp11.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id rBA6Uuwb020323 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:30:56 +0900 (JST) Received: from spiffy21.isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id rBA6UtIo025452; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:30:55 +0900 (JST) Received: from [133.196.16.96] (ncg-dhcp96.isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp [133.196.16.96]) by spiffy21.isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2A1797D37 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:30:10 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <52A6B4F1.6020103@toshiba.co.jp> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:30:09 +0900 From: Yusuke DOI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roll@ietf.org References: <20131203122215.10762.618.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20131203122215.10762.618.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Roll] On Operation and Management of Large Scale MPL Network (Fwd: I-D Action: draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-requirements-00.txt) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 06:31:08 -0000 Dear roll folks, especially for the chairs: Let me introduce my issue (again). I would appreciate if I can have some comments on the idea or suggestion for alternate approaches. The issue I have is how to deploy a mesh network over even larger network, maybe up to 10,000 nodes, with very low application traffic. At the same time, we need communication channels for relatively-low latency (few seconds) broadcast for commanding and enough reliable broadcast file transfer. The draft draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-requirements-00 introduces the requirement. For the objective, MPL seems to be the only choice for us. But it lacks some functionarities for operation and management. One of the spec we need is to configure and/or update MPL forwarder after deployment. My proposal for configuration and re-configuration is DHCPv6 option: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-doi-roll-mpl-parameter-configuration-03 I expect this would be a part of a ZigBee profile. I would appreciate if the WG can discuss the topic as WG item. Best Regards, Yusuke -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I-D Action: draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-requirements-00.txt Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 04:22:15 -0800 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Neighborhood Area Network Requirements for MPL Author(s) : Yusuke Doi Filename : draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-requirements-00.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2013-12-03 Abstract: Neighborhood area networks (NAN) is expected to use MPL to distribute information over wireless mesh network with 6lowpan/802.15.4. This document is to describe expected use case and requirements of NAN, based on OpenSG requirements. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-requirements There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-requirements-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ I-D-Announce mailing list I-D-Announce@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt From mariainesrobles@googlemail.com Tue Dec 10 05:50:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F296C1ADF7B for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 05:50:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.177 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.177 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_65=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pXqrp6OsxPDL for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 05:50:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ve0-x235.google.com (mail-ve0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::235]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D521AE0AE for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 05:50:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ve0-f181.google.com with SMTP id oy12so4768702veb.26 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 05:50:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3wiuu24dXVvT38/Nxn1GSfmeMVD+GmMPAqy5GD3y3/w=; b=BmkevUQosHlpFPpe+BgQuLKe9fcVF2lbJ+k2GHdATBm32DGvcHcwjurkHylsx6NPPG GZItb4PvnS2r/MAtiqKmjFsgYASiHYEUFkMoxX+klPjf7/6KF/UNvOhgxyvGBZIjIJyU I722MZqdKUIf+54yLFXgm/d9rqDDyRRQrEQ83cI2bgnhtsN78zS6/lNOXh7Y5iP/WulI P6Zg2g01AmL6/arEQks/9SLiBjH63XYRgKh5M3Ul1N9ThtHRisbhbot6glneED57rTvn IeBs82nGWCgOy2gbmF/G39z24n4UTeXC+gkwnO9gmUjk8C0NMob4dju5KV0ZWq+DrO44 TERQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.144.168 with SMTP id sn8mr39932veb.33.1386683428469; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 05:50:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.242.82 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 05:50:28 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 11:50:28 -0200 Message-ID: From: Ines Robles To: yusuke.doi@toshiba.co.jp Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5da93b2b835304ed2e65df Cc: Michael Richardson , roll@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Roll] On Operation and Management of Large Scale MPL Network (Fwd: I-D Action: draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-requirements-00.txt) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 13:50:36 -0000 --047d7b5da93b2b835304ed2e65df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *Hi Yusuke,Thank you,We are going to analyze it and let you know.Kind Regards,Michael and Ines.* 2013/12/10 Yusuke DOI > Dear roll folks, especially for the chairs: > > Let me introduce my issue (again). I would appreciate if I can have some > comments on the idea or suggestion for alternate approaches. > > The issue I have is how to deploy a mesh network over even larger network, > maybe up to 10,000 nodes, with very low application traffic. At the same > time, we need communication channels for relatively-low latency (few > seconds) broadcast for commanding and enough reliable broadcast file > transfer. The draft draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-requirements-00 introduces the > requirement. > > For the objective, MPL seems to be the only choice for us. But it lacks > some functionarities for operation and management. One of the spec we need > is to configure and/or update MPL forwarder after deployment. My proposal > for configuration and re-configuration is DHCPv6 option: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-doi-roll-mpl-parameter-configuration-03 > > I expect this would be a part of a ZigBee profile. I would appreciate if > the WG can discuss the topic as WG item. > > Best Regards, > > Yusuke > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: I-D Action: draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-requirements-00.txt > Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 04:22:15 -0800 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > > Title : Neighborhood Area Network Requirements for MPL > Author(s) : Yusuke Doi > Filename : draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-requirements-00.txt > Pages : 6 > Date : 2013-12-03 > > Abstract: > Neighborhood area networks (NAN) is expected to use MPL to distribute > information over wireless mesh network with 6lowpan/802.15.4. This > document is to describe expected use case and requirements of NAN, > based on OpenSG requirements. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-requirements > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-requirements-00 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list > I-D-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i-d-announce > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --047d7b5da93b2b835304ed2e65df Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Yusuk= e,


Thank you,=


We are going to a= nalyze it and let you know.


Kind Regards,


Michael and Ines.=


2013/12/10 Yusuke DOI <yusuke.doi@toshiba.co.jp>
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l= eft-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;pa= dding-left:1ex"> Dear roll folks, especially for the chairs:

Let me introduce my issue (again). I would appreciate if I can have some co= mments on the idea or suggestion for alternate approaches.

The issue I have is how to deploy a mesh network over even larger network, = maybe up to 10,000 nodes, with very low application traffic. At the same ti= me, we need communication channels for relatively-low latency (few seconds)= broadcast for commanding and enough reliable broadcast file transfer. The = draft draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-requirements-00 introduces the requirem= ent.

For the objective, MPL seems to be the only choice for us. But it lacks som= e functionarities for operation and management. One of the spec we need is = to configure and/or update MPL forwarder after deployment. My proposal for = configuration and re-configuration is DHCPv6 option: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-doi-roll-mpl-parameter-configuration-03

I expect this would be a part of a ZigBee profile. I would appreciate if th= e WG can discuss the topic as WG item.

Best Regards,

Yusuke



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: I-D Action: draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-requirements-00.txt
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 04:22:15 -0800
From: interne= t-drafts@ietf.org
Reply-To: int= ernet-drafts@ietf.org
To: i-d-announce= @ietf.org


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.


=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : Neighborhood Area Network Requi= rements for MPL
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Author(s) =A0 =A0 =A0 : Yusuke Doi
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Filename =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-req= uirements-00.txt
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 6
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2013-12-03

Abstract:
=A0 =A0Neighborhood area networks (NAN) is expected to use MPL to distribut= e
=A0 =A0information over wireless mesh network with 6lowpan/802.15.4. =A0Thi= s
=A0 =A0document is to describe expected use case and requirements of NAN, =A0 =A0based on OpenSG requirements.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-doi-r= oll-mpl-nan-requirements

There's also a htmlized version available at:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-doi-roll-mpl-n= an-requirements-00


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp= .ietf.org/internet-drafts/

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Security Architecture Changes (by mcr@sandelman.ca): * owner: draft-ietf-roll-security-threats@tools.ietf.org => mcr@sandelman.ca * status: new => assigned -- --------------------------------+------------------------------- Reporter: mcr@sandelman.ca | Owner: mcr@sandelman.ca Type: defect | Status: assigned Priority: major | Milestone: Component: security-threats | Version: Severity: Active WG Document | Resolution: Keywords: | --------------------------------+------------------------------- Ticket URL: roll From trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org Sun Dec 15 17:36:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7B71ADFBC for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 17:36:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9B6icZv4O8V9 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 17:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3A71ADF4C for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 17:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34191 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VsN6k-0005fG-Rs; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 02:36:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "roll issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: mcr@sandelman.ca X-Trac-Project: roll Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 01:36:30 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/trac/ticket/133#comment:2 Message-ID: <073.0d605eee8df8d1fa40778a045d3a95a2@trac.tools.ietf.org> References: <058.3ebcd19f1f3fc0fef03bd4a4106009f7@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 133 In-Reply-To: <058.3ebcd19f1f3fc0fef03bd4a4106009f7@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: mcr@sandelman.ca, roll@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Roll] [roll] #133: 9.5.1. Security Architecture X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: roll@ietf.org List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 01:36:34 -0000 #133: 9.5.1. Security Architecture Changes (by mcr@sandelman.ca): * status: assigned => closed * resolution: => fixed Comment: Section 9.5.1 removed. -- --------------------------------+------------------------------- Reporter: mcr@sandelman.ca | Owner: mcr@sandelman.ca Type: defect | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: Component: security-threats | Version: Severity: Active WG Document | Resolution: fixed Keywords: | --------------------------------+------------------------------- Ticket URL: roll From yusuke.doi@toshiba.co.jp Sun Dec 15 18:49:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53061AE290 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 18:49:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.331 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.331 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZLvz8742Lnwy for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 18:49:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from imx2.toshiba.co.jp (inet-tsb5.toshiba.co.jp [202.33.96.24]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9891ADFDC for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 18:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from arc1.toshiba.co.jp ([133.199.194.235]) by imx2.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id rBG2nJNT004628 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:49:19 +0900 (JST) Received: (from root@localhost) by arc1.toshiba.co.jp id rBG2nJOQ006481 for roll@ietf.org; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:49:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from unknown [133.199.192.144] by arc1.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id MAA06480; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:49:19 +0900 Received: from mx.toshiba.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ovp2.toshiba.co.jp with ESMTP id rBG2nJt4003096 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:49:19 +0900 (JST) Received: from spiffy21.isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp by toshiba.co.jp id rBG2nEKb025876; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:49:14 +0900 (JST) Received: from [133.196.16.96] (ncg-dhcp96.isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp [133.196.16.96]) by spiffy21.isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01B6797D66 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:48:28 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <52AE6A29.3060200@toshiba.co.jp> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 11:49:13 +0900 From: Yusuke DOI User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: roll@ietf.org References: <20131203122215.10762.618.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <52A6B4F1.6020103@toshiba.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <52A6B4F1.6020103@toshiba.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Roll] Revisiting MPL Reconfiguration (Re: On Operation and Management of Large Scale MPL Network (Fwd: I-D Action: draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-requirements-00.txt)) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 02:49:33 -0000 Hi, (2013-12-10 15:30), Yusuke DOI wrote: > The issue I have is how to deploy a mesh network over even larger > network, maybe up to 10,000 nodes, with very low application traffic. > At the same time, we need communication channels for relatively-low > latency (few seconds) broadcast for commanding and enough reliable > broadcast file transfer. The draft > draft-doi-roll-mpl-nan-requirements-00 introduces the requirement. > > For the objective, MPL seems to be the only choice for us. But it > lacks some functionarities for operation and management. One of the > spec we need is to configure and/or update MPL forwarder after > deployment. My proposal for configuration and re-configuration is > DHCPv6 option: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-doi-roll-mpl-parameter-configuration-03 Let me describe little bit more on this topic. The following issues are what I need to solve. 1) MPL configuration and reconfiguration - New domains may appear after deployment - Existing domain configuration may be changed - Of course, it should be scalable (Peter suggested me to use SNMP, but we're going to scale out up to 10k) 2) Management I/F of MPL nodes, especially, seeds. - MIBs? Netconf? CoAP??? - How many 'active transmitting data messages'? for rate control I did preliminary analysis on MPL reconfiguration after ML discussion two-months ago, and now nearly-confident that the only problem is unbalanced transmission and almost no message will be lost just because of parameter update. Timers for running transmissions can be 'reset' as if there are some inconsistency detected, just after parameter update. Here's list of parameters and expected effects after reset. Assumption is the forwarder is the only one with the updated parameter set: PROACTIVE_FORWARDING false->true: the forwarder is almost always have to send the first data messages PROACTIVE_FORWARDING true->false: the forwarder will not send the data message at the first interval SEED_SET_ENTRY_LIFETIME increased: the forwarder will continue to keep old data message and bitmap, if there are some transmission happend after neighbor's expiry and before the node's expiry, the forwarder may need to send old messages again (should not happen frequently) SEED_SET_ENTRY_LIFETIME decreased: vice versa, the forwaeder may receive old messages. IMIN, IMAX decreased or K increased: more chance to send messages IMIN, IMAX increased or K decreased: less chance to send messages TIMER_EXPIRATIONS incresed: more messages to send. At the end of consistent intervals before expiration, the forwarder may be the only node to send the message TIMER_EXPIRATIONS decreased: less messages to send. So, as far as I can recognize, parameter update is possible for implementations that can accept temporal unbalanced load of transmission. For battery-powered devices it may not be acceptable, but for power-supplied devices it should be acceptable as far as it does not harm the mesh network itself. Regards, Yusuke p.s. I'll be on winter vacation on later this week, and many of you weel be in holiday week when I'm back to office, so please accept longer latency on communication. Happy hollidays! From trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org Sun Dec 15 19:46:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838301AE039 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 19:46:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qd1AmMnnRvE9 for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 19:46:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30741AE03D for ; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 19:46:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51000 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VsP8n-0003Cz-K6; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 04:46:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "roll issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: mcr@sandelman.ca, mariainesrobles@gmail.com X-Trac-Project: roll Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 03:46:45 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/trac/ticket/115#comment:7 Message-ID: <082.b62233770cf0bb2c3c5d51c50f0895bb@trac.tools.ietf.org> References: <067.b8704d3db60284c62fffde3d26abf9e1@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 115 In-Reply-To: <067.b8704d3db60284c62fffde3d26abf9e1@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: mcr@sandelman.ca, mariainesrobles@gmail.com, tzeta.tsao@cooperindustries.com, roll@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: roll@ietf.org, tzeta.tsao@cooperindustries.com Subject: Re: [Roll] [roll] #115: draft-ietf-roll-security-threats-01.txt --- Editorial Comments X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: roll@ietf.org List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 03:46:54 -0000 #115: draft-ietf-roll-security-threats-01.txt --- Editorial Comments Changes (by mcr@sandelman.ca): * status: assigned => closed * resolution: => fixed Comment: Sections 9 numbered back to 6 (was xml section error that caused renumber). Section 6 edited. -- ---------------------------------------+------------------------------- Reporter: mariainesrobles@gmail.com | Owner: mcr@sandelman.ca Type: defect | Status: closed Priority: minor | Milestone: Component: security-threats | Version: Severity: Active WG Document | Resolution: fixed Keywords: Editorial | ---------------------------------------+------------------------------- Ticket URL: roll From internet-drafts@ietf.org Sun Dec 15 20:29:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE331AE2AF; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 20:29:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GA3QYiuHywAX; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 20:29:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3287C1AE2B2; Sun, 15 Dec 2013 20:29:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.83.p1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20131216042933.11536.37340.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 20:29:33 -0800 Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-security-threats-06.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 04:29:39 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks= Working Group of the IETF. Title : A Security Threat Analysis for Routing Protocol for Low-= power and lossy networks (RPL) Author(s) : Tzeta Tsao Roger K. Alexander Mischa Dohler Vanesa Daza Angel Lozano Michael Richardson Filename : draft-ietf-roll-security-threats-06.txt Pages : 40 Date : 2013-12-15 Abstract: This document presents a security threat analysis for the Routing Protocol for Low-power and lossy networks (RPL, ROLL). The development builds upon previous work on routing security and adapts the assessments to the issues and constraints specific to low-power and lossy networks. A systematic approach is used in defining and evaluating the security threats. Applicable countermeasures are application specific and are addressed in relevant applicability statements. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-security-threats There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-security-threats-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-security-threats-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From mcr@sandelman.ca Mon Dec 16 18:39:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359811AE049 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:39:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.905 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.905 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_MIME_NO_TEXT=0.01, T_TVD_MIME_NO_HEADERS=0.01, URIBL_RHS_DOB=1.514] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ND3wgRXSDQwV for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:39:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3::184]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EB71AE036 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:39:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18252017E for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 22:53:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 4B76163B8A; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC8763848 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:39:04 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: roll@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3-dev; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Subject: [Roll] updates/changes in security-threats X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 02:39:24 -0000 --=-=-= Last night I posted draft-ietf-roll-security-threats-06. The diff from -04 to -06 is likely more useful. http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=draft-ietf-roll-security-threats-04&difftype=--html&submit=Go%21&url2=draft-ietf-roll-security-threats-06 1) I believe that I have closed all of the comments that came up during the security directorate review of the document. Please see: http://goo.gl/A5uYb0 for the list of closed tickets. 2) I have been through the text, and changed "ROLL" to "RPL". This is a document about security threats relevant to the protocol in RFC6550, not some hypothetical future protocol. 3) A few revisions ago, I moved a , and caused many sections to get moved up a level and renumbered. That was an error, and I changed that back. Teach me to read only the XML version. 4) where it makes sense I have referred to specific features or attributes of RFC6550 which mitigate certain attacks. For instance, in section 6.2.4 explains how, I think that trickle mitigates many replay attacks, as trickle's reaction to idempotent information is to do nothing. Further, section 6.3.1. Countering HELLO Flood Attacks and ACK Spoofing Attacks, I explained how the DAO-ACK confirms bidirectionality. 5) I wrote: -> For distance vector protocols, such as RPL, where information is <- and well, maybe I'm wrong. I just thought I'd check :-) 6) I have touched little of section 7, except for removing a chunk, and then stopping... Does this section still serve any purpose now that I've incorporated the RPL specific defense mechanisms into section 6? ("Countermeasures") 7) There is new normative reference to ZigBeeIP, ROLL-terminology, [RFC6719] MRHOF. non-normative to: [AceCharterProposal], MLE, RFC3610, RFC6192 "Protecting the Router Control Plane" RFC6574 "Report from the Smart Object Workshop" RFC6824 MPTCP SmartObjectSecurityWorkshop -- was there ever a report on this? The Solace IRTF "proposal". -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting for hire =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBUq+5RYqHRg3pndX9AQJ90wP/ZSuuR1kND2vCKLKLm/QAE437GrZHACPX 3ZCYhCzta0jbxVWXysxYRZ/iQMRrfsvZUZ9U5KlPG/0CgOHuWrg0aJH/lLCyoE3c yfHlyVq5prTqR/BHShvgOr0yz9Tp0LAnj+WMn8xtwoV4+a8kGNVaGtP6oPUpfwbe XGzqYBAQtRg= =9ek7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org Mon Dec 16 21:45:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9431ADF44 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:45:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VCW7mkImHcBp for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA7D1ADFA0 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:45:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38471 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VsnSi-0001Ze-UC; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:44:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "roll issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami.all@tools.ietf.org, mariainesrobles@gmail.com X-Trac-Project: roll Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:44:56 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/trac/ticket/135 Message-ID: <067.d2b714cc0ac70ebe3021413da1fe7ea3@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 135 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami.all@tools.ietf.org, mariainesrobles@gmail.com, roll@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: daniel.popa@itron.com, jonhui@cisco.com, jorjeta.jetcheva@itron.com, kazuya.monden.vw@hitachi.com, mariainesrobles@gmail.com, , mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca, nicolas.dejean@coronis.com, ruben.salazar@landisgyr.com Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] [roll] #135: Point to the Security Considerations section of RFC 6550 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: roll@ietf.org List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:45:16 -0000 #135: Point to the Security Considerations section of RFC 6550 Source: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/secdir/current/msg04477.html From: Chris Lonvick Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:41:54 -0800 (PST) “The document is incomplete but it appears that the authors know where they want to go with it. I would recommend that the Security Considerations section point to the Security Considerations section of RFC 6550 (RPL) and say that the roll- applicability-ami document is a description of the applicability of 6550 to the ami, therefore the considerations of 6550 apply.” -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-roll- mariainesrobles@gmail.com | applicability- Type: defect | ami.all@tools.ietf.org Priority: major | Status: new Component: applicability-ami | Milestone: Severity: Active WG Document | Version: | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: roll From trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org Mon Dec 16 21:50:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B721AE0CE for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:50:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8zlxQvYYr0rF for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C9F1AE0CD for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38646 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VsnY8-00039W-5l; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:50:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "roll issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami.all@tools.ietf.org, mariainesrobles@gmail.com X-Trac-Project: roll Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:50:32 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/trac/ticket/136 Message-ID: <067.78cf5d635bca77cded1fb433c133c835@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 136 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami.all@tools.ietf.org, mariainesrobles@gmail.com, roll@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: daniel.popa@itron.com, jonhui@cisco.com, jorjeta.jetcheva@itron.com, kazuya.monden.vw@hitachi.com, mariainesrobles@gmail.com, , mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca, nicolas.dejean@coronis.com, ruben.salazar@landisgyr.com Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] [roll] #136: - draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami - Add a section of the Security Considerations for each instance where the RPL security mechanism are not to be used X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: roll@ietf.org List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:50:47 -0000 #136: - draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami - Add a section of the Security Considerations for each instance where the RPL security mechanism are not to be used Source: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/secdir/current/msg04477.html From: Chris Lonvick Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:41:54 -0800 (PST) “The authors note that other security mechanisms may be used, which would mean that the security functions of RPL would not be needed. I would recommend that a section of the Security Considerations be added for each instance where the RPL security mechanism are not to be used. Each of those sections should show how the replacement mechanisms will meet the requirements of the RPL security services that are described in 6550.” -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-roll- mariainesrobles@gmail.com | applicability- Type: defect | ami.all@tools.ietf.org Priority: major | Status: new Component: applicability-ami | Milestone: Severity: Active WG Document | Version: | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: roll From trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org Mon Dec 16 21:53:58 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0811AE0D5 for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:53:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lf-T9l2lSSRS for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:53:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0451AE0CD for ; Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:53:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38738 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VsnbI-0002A4-SO; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:53:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "roll issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami.all@tools.ietf.org, mariainesrobles@gmail.com X-Trac-Project: roll Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:53:48 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/trac/ticket/137 Message-ID: <067.e03655bb677c0fb217ee063fe7daaa4a@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 137 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami.all@tools.ietf.org, mariainesrobles@gmail.com, roll@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: daniel.popa@itron.com, jonhui@cisco.com, jorjeta.jetcheva@itron.com, kazuya.monden.vw@hitachi.com, mariainesrobles@gmail.com, , mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca, nicolas.dejean@coronis.com, ruben.salazar@landisgyr.com Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] [roll] #137: - draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami - Incorporate a model for initial and incremental deployments X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: roll@ietf.org List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:53:58 -0000 #137: - draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami - Incorporate a model for initial and incremental deployments Source: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/secdir/current/msg04477.html From: Chris Lonvick Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 11:41:54 -0800 (PST) “I also see that the authors are also trying to address the initial deployment and incremental deployments, which is laudable. The authors may wish to look at restructuring the Security Considerations section to address these things through the FCAPS model or something similar. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCAPS)” -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-roll- mariainesrobles@gmail.com | applicability- Type: defect | ami.all@tools.ietf.org Priority: major | Status: new Component: applicability-ami | Milestone: Severity: Active WG Document | Version: | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: roll From trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org Wed Dec 18 12:49:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641E31A1DFA for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 12:49:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id quA0f32FnWFF for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 12:49:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76671AE138 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 12:49:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35724 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VtO3q-0002ja-6c; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 21:49:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "roll issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: jonhui@cisco.com, mariainesrobles@gmail.com X-Trac-Project: roll Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 20:49:42 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/trac/ticket/134#comment:1 Message-ID: <082.8d98e3aaee85eb0b228f4be6f6e4f2f1@trac.tools.ietf.org> References: <067.8ed0ad50c483043cf2b4bacef0279070@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 134 In-Reply-To: <067.8ed0ad50c483043cf2b4bacef0279070@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: jonhui@cisco.com, mariainesrobles@gmail.com, roll@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Roll] [roll] #134: draft-ietf-roll-trickle-mcast-05 - Minor editorial comments X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: roll@ietf.org List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 20:49:48 -0000 #134: draft-ietf-roll-trickle-mcast-05 - Minor editorial comments Comment (by mariainesrobles@gmail.com): Section 12.3. Well-known Multicast Addresses, the text: “the "Variable Scope Multicast Addresses" sub-registry of the "INTERNET PROTOCOL VERSION 6 MULTICAST ADDRESSES" registry", following http://www.iana.org/protocols it should be: * IPv6 Multicast Address Space Registry[[BR]] * Variable Scope Multicast Addresses should reference RFC 3307 -- ---------------------------------------+------------------------------- Reporter: mariainesrobles@gmail.com | Owner: jonhui@cisco.com Type: defect | Status: new Priority: minor | Milestone: Component: trickle-mcast | Version: Severity: In WG Last Call | Resolution: Keywords: | ---------------------------------------+------------------------------- Ticket URL: roll From trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org Sun Dec 22 08:05:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C716D1AE5BE for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:05:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NZQwVi0lbLEH for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:05:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB36C1AE5BD for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:05:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34400 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VulWV-0005J5-2P; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:04:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "roll issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability.all@tools.ietf.org, mariainesrobles@gmail.com X-Trac-Project: roll Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:04:58 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/trac/ticket/138 Message-ID: <067.1d143170c2f49fe562ea8159796aaa32@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 138 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability.all@tools.ietf.org, mariainesrobles@gmail.com, roll@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: mariainesrobles@gmail.com, , mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca, pthubert@cisco.com, robert.assimiti@nivis.com, tom.phinney@cox.net Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] [roll] #138: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability - Update reference to draft-ietf-roll-security-threats X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: roll@ietf.org List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:05:19 -0000 #138: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability - Update reference to draft- ietf-roll-security-threats Source: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/secdir/current/msg04492.html From: Alexey Melnikov Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:14:50 +0000 “The document is well written and was quite educational for me. However the Security Considerations section is incomplete and not quite ready. > This document does not specify operations that could introduce new > threats. Security considerations for RPL deployments are to be > developed in accordance with recommendations laid out in, for > example, [I-D.tsao-roll-security-framework]. This document got obsoleted by a WG document. I am not entirely sure whether this is intended to be draft-ietf-roll-security-threats or draft- ietf-roll-security-framework. Please update your draft to point to the latest document.” -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-roll-rpl- mariainesrobles@gmail.com | industrial- Type: defect | applicability.all@tools.ietf.org Priority: minor | Status: new Component: rpl-industrial- | Milestone: applicability | Version: Severity: Active WG Document | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: roll From trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org Sun Dec 22 08:12:54 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FBA1AE5E4 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:12:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SpzI30TBKhfM for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5D01AE5E0 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:12:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34560 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vuldz-0006ZH-4a; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:12:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "roll issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability.all@tools.ietf.org, mariainesrobles@gmail.com X-Trac-Project: roll Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:12:43 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/trac/ticket/139 Message-ID: <067.165fcbc51e6d0f056aeefa9878aded53@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 139 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability.all@tools.ietf.org, mariainesrobles@gmail.com, roll@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: mariainesrobles@gmail.com, , mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca, pthubert@cisco.com, robert.assimiti@nivis.com, tom.phinney@cox.net Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] [roll] #139: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability - Add information for deployments X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: roll@ietf.org List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:12:54 -0000 #139: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability - Add information for deployments Source: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/secdir/current/msg04492.html From: Alexey Melnikov Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:14:50 +0000 “ ... > Industrial automation networks are subject to stringent security > requirements as they are considered a critical infrastructure > component. At the same time, since they are composed of large > numbers of resource- constrained devices inter-connected with > limited-throughput links, many available security mechanisms are > not practical for use in such networks. As a result, the choice of > security mechanisms is highly dependent on the device and network > capabilities characterizing a particular deployment. While this sounds plausible, this is not very helpful for deployments. Are there any documents (maybe even research papers) that talk about different types of deployments and suitable security mechanisms for them?” -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-roll-rpl- mariainesrobles@gmail.com | industrial- Type: defect | applicability.all@tools.ietf.org Priority: major | Status: new Component: rpl-industrial- | Milestone: applicability | Version: Severity: Active WG Document | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: roll From trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org Sun Dec 22 08:31:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549E41AE637 for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:31:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p5N8x0XFzUBA for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:31:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2D91ADF7F for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35531 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VulwA-0007YI-Hg; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:31:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "roll issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability.all@tools.ietf.org, mariainesrobles@gmail.com X-Trac-Project: roll Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:31:30 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/trac/ticket/140 Message-ID: <067.fb15b11ea58a6e2b51d8df729853b3d9@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 140 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability.all@tools.ietf.org, mariainesrobles@gmail.com, roll@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: mariainesrobles@gmail.com, , mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca, pthubert@cisco.com, robert.assimiti@nivis.com, tom.phinney@cox.net Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] [roll] #140: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability - Describe how RPL security services there can be replaced X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: roll@ietf.org List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:31:43 -0000 #140: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability - Describe how RPL security services there can be replaced Source: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/secdir/current/msg04492.html From: Alexey Melnikov Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:14:50 +0000 " > In contrast to other types of LLNs, in industrial automation > networks centralized administrative control and access to > a permanent secure infrastructure is available. > As a result link-layer, transport-layer > and/or application-layer security mechanisms are typically in place > and may make use of RPL's secure mode unnecessary. Pointing to RFC 6550 and describing how RPL security services described there can be replaced by link/transport/application-layer technologies would be helpful as well." -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-roll-rpl- mariainesrobles@gmail.com | industrial- Type: defect | applicability.all@tools.ietf.org Priority: major | Status: new Component: rpl-industrial- | Milestone: applicability | Version: Severity: Active WG Document | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: roll From trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org Sun Dec 22 08:39:04 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDA71AE6AC for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:39:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.438 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.438 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X1YanKQHZxIC for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:39:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0061AE6AF for ; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:39:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35667 helo=grenache.tools.ietf.org ident=www-data) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vum3I-00089R-4K; Sun, 22 Dec 2013 17:38:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: "roll issue tracker" X-Trac-Version: 0.12.3 Precedence: bulk Auto-Submitted: auto-generated X-Mailer: Trac 0.12.3, by Edgewall Software To: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability.all@tools.ietf.org, mariainesrobles@gmail.com X-Trac-Project: roll Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:38:52 -0000 X-URL: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/ X-Trac-Ticket-URL: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/roll/trac/ticket/141 Message-ID: <067.5e8fd41c57599fa653476f8f5a56cb8b@trac.tools.ietf.org> X-Trac-Ticket-ID: 141 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability.all@tools.ietf.org, mariainesrobles@gmail.com, roll@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: trac+roll@trac.tools.ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Resent-To: mariainesrobles@gmail.com, , mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca, pthubert@cisco.com, robert.assimiti@nivis.com, tom.phinney@cox.net Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] [roll] #141: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability - Complete Security considerations during initial and incrremental deployment X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: roll@ietf.org List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 16:39:04 -0000 #141: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-industrial-applicability - Complete Security considerations during initial and incrremental deployment Source: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/secdir/current/msg04492.html From: Alexey Melnikov Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 13:14:50 +0000 “ > 6.1. Security Considerations during initial deployment > > 6.2. Security Considerations during incremental deployment These sections need completing. Looking at draft-ietf-roll-applicability- template-03, I can see there a useful pointer to a document about getting initial keys and trust anchors.” -- -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Reporter: | Owner: draft-ietf-roll-rpl- mariainesrobles@gmail.com | industrial- Type: defect | applicability.all@tools.ietf.org Priority: major | Status: new Component: rpl-industrial- | Milestone: applicability | Version: Severity: Active WG Document | Keywords: -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- Ticket URL: roll From mcr@sandelman.ca Tue Dec 24 11:34:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAE41AE017 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:34:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.419 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.419 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_MIME_NO_TEXT=0.01, T_TVD_MIME_NO_HEADERS=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n0dBuNCBhrWu for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3::184]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE981AE015 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 11:34:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (desk.marajade.sandelman.ca [209.87.252.247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AD12002F; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 15:48:56 -0500 (EST) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 9DBCD647D0; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 14:34:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E3EF63B88; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 14:34:11 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: draft-roux-roll-mpl-eval@tools.ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3-dev; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] draft-roux-roll-mpl-eval-00.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 19:34:32 -0000 --=-=-= http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-roux-roll-mpl-eval/ was recently posted, with the abstract: Abstract This draft presents simulation work and first results related to MPL performance evaluation. The simulation makes it possible to evaluate MPL performances in the context of a large network. The simulated network introduces 500 nodes. The general principles of the simulator are described. Then reference settings are introduced, and evaluation indicators are proposed. Finally preliminary results are presented under the form of a few tables, that show the proposed indicator values depending on some specific parameter which is used as a variable argument. Among various results, the advantage of using reactive mode for MPL is shown in terms of the capability to maintain loss free diffusion in harsh radio conditions. ==== I've read the document, and I like the direction which it is going. It would be interesting to have feedback from deployments about how accurate the random placement matches real life: I think that real life won't be random at all! The ROLL charter hardly mentions MPL at all; so having an experience draft on it, is neither here nor there. ** May I ask what the authors intend for this document? Do you think that the additional work will occur prior to IETF90, and might be feedback into possible re-chartering of ROLL? I think that it is very useful for the technology to have a rigorous analysis of MPL like this, and very useful for standardization to have some clear advice on setting the parameters. Is the software used in this simulation available for others to play with? I'm concerned that this is a particularly academic paper, and might get the kind of peer review that I think it deserves as an ID (vs a submission to a journal). -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works IETF ROLL WG co-chair. http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/charter/ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBUrnhs4qHRg3pndX9AQJdwQQA7A+EJLGWcJU/kojuOZRDjAu8Yfr+d2+q DrkZU3HPOKIUd9dcpfQhZRDm77+IgJ7CtdXrDQ2G7VoOCMdfl3xyh5dFxdr5e1P/ nNf2vfYdruTMDaQOHOTQyddapoAFrffeHZCobRGkng/WJ71SszgSUCxSE2E/Tpp7 dqTiQIDdM04= =wCGa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From mcr@sandelman.ca Tue Dec 24 12:48:49 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70271AE087 for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:48:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.429 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.429 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TVD_MIME_NO_HEADERS=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id blqz3bDeW1bS for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3::184]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31D71ADEAE for ; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 12:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (desk.marajade.sandelman.ca [209.87.252.247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5124F2002F; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 17:03:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 84A0D647D0; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 15:48:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754B463B88; Tue, 24 Dec 2013 15:48:29 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-Reply-To: <23888.1387913651@sandelman.ca> References: <23888.1387913651@sandelman.ca> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3-dev; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Cc: draft-roux-roll-mpl-eval@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: [Roll] draft-roux-roll-mpl-eval-00.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 20:48:49 -0000 --=-=-= Michael Richardson wrote: > I'm concerned that this is a particularly academic paper, and might get > the kind of peer review that I think it deserves as an ID (vs a submission to > a journal). I missed the word "NOT". Should read: I'm concerned that this is a particularly academic paper, and might NOT get the kind of peer review that I think it deserves. (being able to site somethings elsewhere is always good) -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works IETF ROLL WG co-chair. http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/charter/ --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQCVAwUBUrnzHYqHRg3pndX9AQKWqgP/UInFc2XlRNLA5xR+/z/XUQ8/sxUXNveZ h31utIcaVb0NK4fivQSQEJEfHlETt30VUlT4xexv6lNfSjL+3aBj/cOnrCVD0ErI 9nASuoxuFFkUFb0ANDSa8y8pwuIcjjGf0sMW3eKW1+pLhijaWtCtrVWbR+m0XVwI DqAVyoSDMx8= =0IuA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--