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Turner, Randy <Randy.Turner@landisgyr.com> wrote:
    > In section 5, =E2=80=9CStoring Mode=E2=80=9D, first paragraph, there =
is a sentence that
    > says =E2=80=9Cthe sender cannot determine whether the destination is
    > RPL-capable and thus would need an IP-in-IP header.=E2=80=9D  The las=
t sentence
    > in this paragraph says "the sender can determine if the destination is
    > inside the LLN by looking if the destination address is matched by the
    > DIO=E2=80=99s PIO option.=E2=80=9D

    > This implies that =E2=80=9CRPL-capable=E2=80=9D does not mean =E2=80=
=9Cinside the LLN=E2=80=9D, is this
    > implication correct ?

I don't think so.
There may well be some editing that has to happen, since 2460bis assumption.
Maybe you can contribute some text to fix this so that it makes sense to yo=
u?

One can be inside the LLN, but be RPL-incapable. (a "leaf" or "IPv6 host")

One assumes that nodes outside the LLN are RPL-incapable, and one can
tell this buy looking seeing if the destination address matches the PIO.

{Clearly, with a 6BBR, one can have RPL nodes outside the local LLN
which are RPL-capable, but we can't tell that}

(or more to the point, before -07, routers would drop packets with RPL
artifacts on them. Starting at -07 we assume that RPI is okay, but RH3 is n=
ot)

=2D-
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
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See my comments below. (hat off)

peter van der Stok schreef op 2016-07-29 09:23:
> Hi all,
> 
> Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we would like to know your
> opinion about the drafts, presented during IETF95 and IETF96. This is
> the second of three messages. The adoption of drafts as WG drafts
> will be asked independently dependent on the status of the draft.
> 

> 
> D: draft-bergmann-bier-ccast
>     Source-Routed Multicast for RPL -
> 
> •    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?
YES, but that needs more explanation with examples
> •    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in the draft ?
may do a performance comparison
> •    Are you willing to review the draft ?
YES
> •    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?
NO

Greetings,

Peter


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Many thanks to Dominique for the minutes.
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There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose identity could not be 
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Could these persons complement the information?

many thanks,

Peter, Ines.

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The minute can be found here

https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/minutes/minutes-96-roll

Many thanks to Dominique again :-)

Peter, Ines.

2016-08-04 14:56 GMT+03:00 peter van der Stok <stokcons@xs4all.nl>:

> Dear all,
>
> Many thanks to Dominique for the minutes.
> They have been uploaded.
>
> There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose identity could not be
> determined.
> Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has got lost.
>
> Could these persons complement the information?
>
> many thanks,
>
> Peter, Ines.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The minute can be found here<div><br></div><div><a href=3D=
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<br>
Many thanks to Dominique for the minutes.<br>
They have been uploaded.<br>
<br>
There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose identity could not be dete=
rmined.<br>
Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has got lost.<br>
<br>
Could these persons complement the information?<br>
<br>
many thanks,<br>
<br>
Peter, Ines.<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
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Hi,


2016-08-03 5:01 GMT+03:00 Turner, Randy <Randy.Turner@landisgyr.com>:

> Right, anything outside the DODAG/instance would probably have a differen=
t
> PIO prefix so comparing prefixes
> is no guarantee the destination is not =E2=80=9CRPL-capable=E2=80=9D.
> So =E2=80=9CRPL-capable=E2=80=9D might not be the right term to use =E2=
=80=94 =E2=80=9Coutside the LLN=E2=80=9D
> might work,  in this case I=E2=80=99m inferring that the LLN is the local
> DODAG/instance
>

What about to add this in the terminology section:

        RPL-node: It is device which implements RPL, thus we can say that
the device is RPL-capable or RPL-aware.
Please note that the device can be found inside the LLN or outside LLN.
In this document a RPL-node which is a leaf is called RPL-aware-leaf.

        RPL-not-capable: It is device which does not implement RPL, thus we
can say that the device is not-RPL-aware.
Please note that the device can be found inside the LLN.
In this document a not-RPL-node which is a leaf is called
not-RPL-aware-leaf.



>
> >
> > (or more to the point, before -07, routers would drop packets with RPL
> > artifacts on them. Starting at -07 we assume that RPI is okay, but RH3
> is not)
>
> Right, I understand that some 2460bis proposals would make life easier,
> but the discussion on hop-by-hop headers
> and how they are handled is still undecided, or at least that was my
> takeaway from the plenary=E2=80=A6.is this right?
>

I understood from 6man that this paragraph is going to be kept:

"NOTE: While [RFC2460 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2460>] required that
all nodes must examine and

   process the Hop-by-Hop Options header, it is now expected that nodes
   along a packet's delivery path only examine and process the Hop-by-
   Hop Options header if explicitly configured to do so."


Thanks,


Ines.









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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">2016-08-03 5:01 GMT+03:00 Turner, Randy <span dir=3D"ltr"=
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tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:so=
lid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Right, anything ou=
tside the DODAG/instance would probably have a different PIO prefix so comp=
aring prefixes<br>
is no guarantee the destination is not =E2=80=9CRPL-capable=E2=80=9D.<br>
So =E2=80=9CRPL-capable=E2=80=9D might not be the right term to use =E2=80=
=94 =E2=80=9Coutside the LLN=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 might work,=C2=A0 in this case =
I=E2=80=99m inferring that the LLN is the local DODAG/instance<br></blockqu=
ote><div><br></div><div>What about to add this in the terminology section:<=
/div><div><br></div><div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 RPL-node: It is d=
evice which implements RPL, thus we can say that the device is RPL-capable =
or RPL-aware.=C2=A0<br></div><div><span class=3D"" style=3D"white-space:pre=
">	</span>Please note that the device can be found inside the LLN or outsid=
e LLN.</div><div><span class=3D"" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>In this=
 document a RPL-node which is a leaf is called RPL-aware-leaf.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 RPL-not-capable: It is device whic=
h does not implement RPL, thus we can say that the device is not-RPL-aware.=
=C2=A0</div><div><span class=3D"" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Please =
note that the device can be found inside the LLN.</div><div><span class=3D"=
" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>In this document a not-RPL-node which i=
s a leaf is called not-RPL-aware-leaf.</div></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,2=
04,204);padding-left:1ex">
<span class=3D""><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; (or more to the point, before -07, routers would drop packets with RPL=
<br>
&gt; artifacts on them. Starting at -07 we assume that RPI is okay, but RH3=
 is not)<br>
<br>
</span>Right, I understand that some 2460bis proposals would make life easi=
er, but the discussion on hop-by-hop headers<br>
and how they are handled is still undecided, or at least that was my takeaw=
ay from the plenary=E2=80=A6.is this right?<br></blockquote><div><br></div>=
<div>I understood from 6man that this paragraph is going to be kept:</div><=
div><br></div><div>&quot;<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13.3333p=
x">NOTE: While [</span><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2460" titl=
e=3D"&quot;Internet Protocol, Version 6 (IPv6) Specification&quot;" style=
=3D"font-size:13.3333px">RFC2460</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-si=
ze:13.3333px">] required that all nodes must examine and</span></div><pre c=
lass=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;col=
or:rgb(0,0,0)">   process the Hop-by-Hop Options header, it is now expected=
 that nodes
   along a packet&#39;s delivery path only examine and process the Hop-by-
   Hop Options header if explicitly configured to do so.&quot;
</pre><pre class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bo=
ttom:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></pre><pre class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13.=
3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Thanks,</pre><pre=
 class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;c=
olor:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></pre><pre class=3D"" style=3D"font-size:13.3333px;mar=
gin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Ines.</pre><div><br></div><=
div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><=
div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0=
px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<span class=3D"im"><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Michael Richardson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mcr%2BIETF@sandelman.ca">mcr+=
IETF@sandelman.ca</a>&gt;, Sandelman Software Works<br>
&gt; -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D-<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
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In my opinion, the draft draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01 is quite
relevant.

I am just not confident about the second draft
draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01. 

We have deployed a WSN for experiments, but have not paid attention to that
no-path DAO problem, so I still confuse about the importance of the draft. 

Jadhav and Cao, Have you implemented any testbeds for those cases written in
the draft? Or do you have any paper analyzed those cases in more detail?

If yes, I would like to do some real experiments to evaluate the importance
of the draft.

 

Kind regards,

William

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IoT based Smart Furniture for Smart Home <http://cuddlyhomeadvisors.com/>
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   1. Re: "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages: DIS

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   2. Roll ietf96 minutes (peter van der Stok)

   3. Re: Roll ietf96 minutes (Ines Robles)

 

 

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Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:03:42 +0000

From: "Caozhen (zcao)" < <mailto:zhen.cao@huawei.com> zhen.cao@huawei.com>

To: " <mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org> consultancy@vanderstok.org" <
<mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org> consultancy@vanderstok.org>,

                "Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks" <
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Subject: Re: [Roll] "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages:

                DIS Mod. - No-Path DAO"

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I would like to support both drafts (I am co-author of the second draft),
they are certainly relevant to the wg. 

 

I can contribute the review of the draft-gundogan-roll-dis-modifications. 

 

-Zhen

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Roll [ <mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org> mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org]
On Behalf Of peter van der 

> Stok

> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:44 PM

> To: Roll < <mailto:roll@ietf.org> roll@ietf.org>

> Subject: [Roll] "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages: DIS 

> Mod. - No-Path DAO"

> 

> Dear all,

> 

> Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we would like to know your 

> opinion about the drafts, presented during IETF95 and IETF96. This is 

> the first set of three emails. The adoption of drafts as WG drafts 

> will be asked independently dependent on the status of the draft.

> 

> A: draft-gundogan-roll-dis-modifications-00

>        DIS Modifications

> 

> ?    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?

> ?    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in the draft ?

> ?    Are you willing to review the draft ?

> ?    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?

> 

> B: draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01

>        No-Path DAO Problem Statement

> 

> ?    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?

> ?    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in the draft ?

> ?    Are you willing to review the draft ?

> ?    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?

> 

> 

> It would be nice to know the reasons why you agree or disagree with 

> the drafts

> 

> 

> Thank you very much,

> 

> Peter and Ines

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Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 13:56:15 +0200

From: peter van der Stok < <mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl> stokcons@xs4all.nl>

To: Roll < <mailto:roll@ietf.org> roll@ietf.org>

Subject: [Roll] Roll ietf96 minutes

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Dear all,

 

Many thanks to Dominique for the minutes.

They have been uploaded.

 

There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose identity could not be
determined.

Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has got lost.

 

Could these persons complement the information?

 

many thanks,

 

Peter, Ines.

 

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vanderstok consultancy

mailto:  <mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org> consultancy@vanderstok.org

www:  <http://www.vanderstok.org> www.vanderstok.org

tel NL: +31(0)492474673     F: +33(0)966015248

 

 

 

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Message: 3

Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:22:23 +0300

From: Ines  Robles < <mailto:mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>
mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>

To: " <mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org> consultancy@vanderstok.org" <
<mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org> consultancy@vanderstok.org>,

                Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <
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Subject: Re: [Roll] Roll ietf96 minutes

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The minute can be found here

 

 <https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/minutes/minutes-96-roll>
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/minutes/minutes-96-roll

 

Many thanks to Dominique again :-)

 

Peter, Ines.

 

2016-08-04 14:56 GMT+03:00 peter van der Stok < <mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl>
stokcons@xs4all.nl>:

 

> Dear all,

> 

> Many thanks to Dominique for the minutes.

> They have been uploaded.

> 

> There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose identity could not be

> determined.

> Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has got lost.

> 

> Could these persons complement the information?

> 

> many thanks,

> 

> Peter, Ines.

> 

> --

> Peter van der Stok

> vanderstok consultancy

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> www:  <http://www.vanderstok.org> www.vanderstok.org

> tel NL: +31(0)492474673     F: +33(0)966015248

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class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. Re: &quot;Charter inclusion: Work =
in RPL control messages: DIS<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mod. - No-Path =
DAO&quot; (Caozhen (zcao))<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp; 2. Roll ietf96 minutes (peter van der =
Stok)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp; 3. Re: Roll =
ietf96 minutes (Ines Robles)<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Message: 1<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:03:42 =
+0000<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>From: &quot;Caozhen =
(zcao)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zhen.cao@huawei.com"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>zhen.cao@huawei.com</span=
></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>To: &quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>consultancy@vanderstok.or=
g</span></a>&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>consultancy@vanderstok.or=
g</span></a>&gt;,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Routing Over Low power and =
Lossy networks&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>roll@ietf.org</span></a>&=
gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Subject: Re: [Roll] =
&quot;Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DIS Mod. - No-Path =
DAO&quot;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Message-ID:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:0ADB5996A09C254EB300AB612DA81508215887F1@SZXEMI506-MBX.chi=
na.huawei.com"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>0ADB5996A09C254EB300AB612=
DA81508215887F1@SZXEMI506-MBX.china.huawei.com</span></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p><=
/p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
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charset=3D&quot;utf-8&quot;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>I =
would like to support both drafts (I am co-author of the second draft), =
they are certainly relevant to the wg. <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>I can =
contribute the review of the draft-gundogan-roll-dis-modifications. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>-Zhen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
From: Roll [<a href=3D"mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.=
org</span></a>] On Behalf Of peter van der <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Stok<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:44 =
PM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; To: Roll &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>roll@ietf.org</span></a>&=
gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Subject: [Roll] =
&quot;Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages: DIS =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Mod. - No-Path =
DAO&quot;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we would like to know your =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; opinion about the drafts, =
presented during IETF95 and IETF96. This is <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; the first set of three emails. The adoption of =
drafts as WG drafts <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; will be =
asked independently dependent on the status of the =
draft.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; A: =
draft-gundogan-roll-dis-modifications-00<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DIS =
Modifications<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is the =
draft relevant to the working group.?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you foresee to =
contribute to the work described in the draft ?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Are you willing to review =
the draft ?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Should the draft be rejected by the WG =
?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; B: =
draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
No-Path DAO Problem Statement<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is the =
draft relevant to the working group.?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you foresee to =
contribute to the work described in the draft ?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Are you willing to review =
the draft ?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Should the draft be rejected by the WG =
?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; It =
would be nice to know the reasons why you agree or disagree with =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; the drafts<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Thank you very =
much,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Peter and Ines<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>Roll@ietf.org</span></a><=
o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; <a =
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man/listinfo/roll</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Message: 2<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 13:56:15 =
+0200<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>From: peter van der Stok =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>stokcons@xs4all.nl</span>=
</a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>To: Roll &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>roll@ietf.org</span></a>&=
gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Subject: [Roll] Roll ietf96 =
minutes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Message-ID: &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:e73b847138c32a0e5e9c6a59cc3774e5@xs4all.nl"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>e73b847138c32a0e5e9c6a59c=
c3774e5@xs4all.nl</span></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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format=3Dflowed<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Dear =
all,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Many thanks to Dominique for the =
minutes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>They have been =
uploaded.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose =
identity could not be determined.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has =
got lost.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Could these persons complement the =
information?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>many =
thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Peter, Ines.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>--<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Peter van =
der Stok<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>vanderstok =
consultancy<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>mailto: <a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>consultancy@vanderstok.or=
g</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>www: <a =
href=3D"http://www.vanderstok.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>www.vanderstok.org</span>=
</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>tel NL: =
+31(0)492474673&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; F: =
+33(0)966015248<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Message: 3<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:22:23 =
+0300<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>From: Ines&nbsp; Robles =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mariainesrobles@googlemail.com"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>mariainesrobles@googlemai=
l.com</span></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>To: &quot;<a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>consultancy@vanderstok.or=
g</span></a>&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>consultancy@vanderstok.or=
g</span></a>&gt;,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Routing Over Low power and Lossy =
networks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>roll@ietf.org</span></a>&=
gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Subject: Re: [Roll] Roll =
ietf96 minutes<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>Message-ID:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:CAP+sJUd7ntWSjr4mTntAW=3DbX5XyqCfmjdPX=3DScSD0PHozyX5jw@ma=
il.gmail.com"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>CAP+sJUd7ntWSjr4mTntAW=3D=
bX5XyqCfmjdPX=3DScSD0PHozyX5jw@mail.gmail.com</span></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></=
p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Content-Type: text/plain; =
charset=3D&quot;utf-8&quot;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>The =
minute can be found here<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/minutes/minutes-96-roll"><spa=
n =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>https://www.ietf.org/proc=
eedings/96/minutes/minutes-96-roll</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Many =
thanks to Dominique again :-)<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>Peter, =
Ines.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>2016-08-04 14:56 GMT+03:00 peter van der Stok =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>stokcons@xs4all.nl</span>=
</a>&gt;:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Many thanks to Dominique for the =
minutes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; They have been =
uploaded.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, =
whose identity could not be<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
determined.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Also there is =
some text by Don and Pascal that has got lost.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Could these persons complement the =
information?<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; many thanks,<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; Peter, Ines.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; --<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; =
Peter van der Stok<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; vanderstok =
consultancy<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; mailto: <a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>consultancy@vanderstok.or=
g</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; www: <a =
href=3D"http://www.vanderstok.org"><span =
style=3D'color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>www.vanderstok.org</span>=
</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText>&gt; tel NL: =
+31(0)492474673&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; F: =
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I'm unsure of that, William.

All in all, I see this as an errata, and I'm not convinced that we need a n=
ew RFC.

Here is my understanding (draft authors, please correct me if I missed some=
 of your points):


=B7        When an old parent O loses a child, it can only send a no-path D=
AO with the same path sequence S0 as the last DAO it sent.


=B7        A new parent N will propagate DAOs with a newer path sequence Sn=
 > S0.


=B7        When that newer information hits a common ancestor C of O and N,=
 C cleans up its stale state towards O because of the stale sequence, and c=
ontinues propagating the new state towards the root, which in effect enable=
s reachability to the child from the root and most of the DODAG, but not wh=
ere a stale state is still present, between C and O.


=B7        The no-DAO is meant to clean up the state between O and C.

I think I heard at the WG meeting that the no-path DAO would be ignored bec=
ause the sequence is not incremented. To which I'll point out the item 3 be=
low from RFC 6550, which was intended to cover that case:


In Storing mode, a DAO message is "new" if

   it satisfies any of these criteria for a contained Target:



   1.  it has a newer Path Sequence number,



   2.  it has additional Path Control bits, or



   3.  it is a No-Path DAO message that removes the last Downward route

       to a prefix.

It was pointed that next the text says:


   6.  Nodes SHOULD ignore DAOs without newer sequence numbers and MUST

       NOT process them further.

I agree this is wrong. The spirit was:


   6.  Nodes SHOULD ignore DAOs that are not "new" MUST NOT process them

       further.


Note that the bug above also impacts the process of getting multiple routes=
 down.
The whole design is to send multiple DAOs with a same sequence and NOT igno=
re them.
e.g.

                                                        If a DAO
         message containing the same Target is issued to multiple
         parents at a given point in time for the purpose of route
         redundancy, then the Path Sequence is the same in all the DAO
         messages for that same target

also


                                      All DAOs generated at the same

   time for the same Target MUST be sent with the same Path Sequence in

   the Transit Information.


My suggestion to solve this problem is to post an errata along the spirit a=
bove and be done with it. This way we are sure that plain RFC 6550 implemen=
tation will look at it. A new RFC may be 1) overkill and 2) ignored.

Note that RPL also has a dataplane fix to clean reactively this stale state=
 with the Forwarding-Error 'F' flag.

What do others think?

Pascal

From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of William
Sent: mercredi 10 ao=FBt 2016 04:08
To: roll@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Roll] "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages: DIS -=
 Roll Digest Vol 103, Issue 2


In my opinion, the draft draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01 is quite relev=
ant.

I am just not confident about the second draft draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-da=
o-ps-01.

We have deployed a WSN for experiments, but have not paid attention to that=
 no-path DAO problem, so I still confuse about the importance of the draft.

Jadhav and Cao, Have you implemented any testbeds for those cases written i=
n the draft? Or do you have any paper analyzed those cases in more detail?

If yes, I would like to do some real experiments to evaluate the importance=
 of the draft.




Kind regards,
William
PhD of Research
IoT based Smart Furniture for Smart Home<http://cuddlyhomeadvisors.com/> Re=
search Group



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   1. Re: "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages: DIS

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   2. Roll ietf96 minutes (peter van der Stok)

   3. Re: Roll ietf96 minutes (Ines Robles)





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Message: 1

Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:03:42 +0000

From: "Caozhen (zcao)" <zhen.cao@huawei.com<mailto:zhen.cao@huawei.com>>

To: "consultancy@vanderstok.org<mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org>" <consul=
tancy@vanderstok.org<mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org>>,

                "Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks" <roll@ietf.org<=
mailto:roll@ietf.org>>

Subject: Re: [Roll] "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages:

                DIS Mod. - No-Path DAO"

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I would like to support both drafts (I am co-author of the second draft), t=
hey are certainly relevant to the wg.



I can contribute the review of the draft-gundogan-roll-dis-modifications.



-Zhen

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of peter van der

> Stok

> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:44 PM

> To: Roll <roll@ietf.org<mailto:roll@ietf.org>>

> Subject: [Roll] "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages: DIS

> Mod. - No-Path DAO"

>

> Dear all,

>

> Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we would like to know your

> opinion about the drafts, presented during IETF95 and IETF96. This is

> the first set of three emails. The adoption of drafts as WG drafts

> will be asked independently dependent on the status of the draft.

>

> A: draft-gundogan-roll-dis-modifications-00

>        DIS Modifications

>

> ?    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?

> ?    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in the draft ?

> ?    Are you willing to review the draft ?

> ?    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?

>

> B: draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01

>        No-Path DAO Problem Statement

>

> ?    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?

> ?    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in the draft ?

> ?    Are you willing to review the draft ?

> ?    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?

>

>

> It would be nice to know the reasons why you agree or disagree with

> the drafts

>

>

> Thank you very much,

>

> Peter and Ines

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Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 13:56:15 +0200

From: peter van der Stok <stokcons@xs4all.nl<mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl>>

To: Roll <roll@ietf.org<mailto:roll@ietf.org>>

Subject: [Roll] Roll ietf96 minutes

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Dear all,



Many thanks to Dominique for the minutes.

They have been uploaded.



There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose identity could not be dete=
rmined.

Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has got lost.



Could these persons complement the information?



many thanks,



Peter, Ines.



--

Peter van der Stok

vanderstok consultancy

mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org<mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org>

www: www.vanderstok.org<http://www.vanderstok.org>

tel NL: +31(0)492474673     F: +33(0)966015248







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Message: 3

Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:22:23 +0300

From: Ines  Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com<mailto:mariainesrobles@g=
ooglemail.com>>

To: "consultancy@vanderstok.org<mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org>" <consul=
tancy@vanderstok.org<mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org>>,

                Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org<ma=
ilto:roll@ietf.org>>

Subject: Re: [Roll] Roll ietf96 minutes

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The minute can be found here



https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/minutes/minutes-96-roll



Many thanks to Dominique again :-)



Peter, Ines.



2016-08-04 14:56 GMT+03:00 peter van der Stok <stokcons@xs4all.nl<mailto:st=
okcons@xs4all.nl>>:



> Dear all,

>

> Many thanks to Dominique for the minutes.

> They have been uploaded.

>

> There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose identity could not be

> determined.

> Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has got lost.

>

> Could these persons complement the information?

>

> many thanks,

>

> Peter, Ines.

>

> --

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217;m unsure of th=
at, William.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">All in all, I see this=
 as an errata, and I&#8217;m not convinced that we need a new RFC.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Here is my understandi=
ng (draft authors, please correct me if I missed some of your points):<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol;color:#1F49=
7D"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">When an old pa=
rent O loses a child, it can only send a no-path DAO with the same path seq=
uence S0 as the last DAO it sent.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol;color:#1F49=
7D"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">A new parent N=
 will propagate DAOs with a newer path sequence Sn &gt; S0.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol;color:#1F49=
7D"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">When that newe=
r information hits a common ancestor C of O and N, C cleans up its stale st=
ate towards O because of the stale sequence, and continues propagating the =
new state towards the root, which
 in effect enables reachability to the child from the root and most of the =
DODAG, but not where a stale state is still present, between C and O.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"font-family:Symbol;color:#1F49=
7D"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">=B7<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Time=
s New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The no-DAO is =
meant to clean up the state between O and C.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I think I heard at the=
 WG meeting that the no-path DAO would be ignored because the sequence is n=
ot incremented. To which I&#8217;ll point out the item 3 below from RFC 655=
0, which was intended to cover that case:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<pre>In Storing mode, a DAO message is &quot;new&quot; if<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp; it satisfies any of these criteria for a contained Target=
:<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.&nbsp; it has a newer Path Sequence number,<o:p></o:p><=
/pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp; 2.&nbsp; it has additional Path Control bits, or<o:p></o:=
p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre> &nbsp;&nbsp;<span style=3D"background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">3.=
&nbsp; it is a No-Path DAO message that removes the last Downward route<o:p=
></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to a prefix.</span><o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">It was pointed that ne=
xt the text says:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp; 6.&nbsp; Nodes SHOULD ignore DAOs without newer sequence =
numbers and MUST<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; NOT process them further.<o:p></o=
:p></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I agree this is wrong.=
 The spirit was:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp; 6.&nbsp; Nodes SHOULD ignore DAOs that are not &#8220;new=
&#8221; MUST NOT process them<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;further.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Note that the bug abov=
e also impacts the process of getting multiple routes down.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The whole design is to=
 send multiple DAOs with a same sequence and NOT ignore them.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">e.g.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If a DAO<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;message c=
ontaining the same Target is issued to multiple<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; parents a=
t a given point in time for the purpose of route<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; redundanc=
y, then the Path Sequence is the same in all the DAO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; messages =
for that same target<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">also<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; All DAOs generated at the same<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp; time for the same Target MUST be sent with the same Path =
Sequence in<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>&nbsp;&nbsp; the Transit Information.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">My suggestion to solve=
 this problem is to post an errata along the spirit above and be done with =
it. This way we are sure that plain RFC 6550 implementation will look at it=
. A new RFC may be 1) overkill and 2)
 ignored.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Note that RPL also has=
 a dataplane fix to clean reactively this stale state with the Forwarding-E=
rror 'F' flag.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">What do others think?<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Pascal<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] <b>=
On Behalf Of
</b>William<br>
<b>Sent:</b> mercredi 10 ao=FBt 2016 04:08<br>
<b>To:</b> roll@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Roll] &quot;Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control mes=
sages: DIS - Roll Digest Vol 103, Issue 2<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">In my opinion, the draft draft-jadhav-roll-no-pat=
h-dao-ps-01 is quite relevant.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">I am just not confident about the second draft dr=
aft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">We have deployed a WSN for experiments, but have =
not paid attention to that no-path DAO problem, so I still confuse about th=
e importance of the draft.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Jadhav and Cao, Have you implemented any testbeds=
 for those cases written in the draft? Or do you have any paper analyzed th=
ose cases in more detail?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">If yes, I would like to do some real experiments =
to evaluate the importance of the draft.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">William<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">PhD of Research<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">IoT based <a href=3D"http://cuddlyhomeadvisors.com/"=
>Smart Furniture for Smart Home</a> Research Group<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Roll [<a href=3D"mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:roll-bounces@ie=
tf.org</a>] On Behalf Of
<a href=3D"mailto:roll-request@ietf.org">roll-request@ietf.org</a><br>
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:00 PM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org">roll@ietf.org</a><br>
Subject: Roll Digest, Vol 103, Issue 2<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Today's Topics:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. Re: &quot;Charter inclusion: Work=
 in RPL control messages: DIS<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mod. - No-Path DAO=
&quot; (Caozhen (zcao))<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp; 2. Roll ietf96 minutes (peter van de=
r Stok)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp; 3. Re: Roll ietf96 minutes (Ines Rob=
les)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">-------------------------------------------------=
---------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Message: 1<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:03:42 &#43;0000<o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">From: &quot;Caozhen (zcao)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:zhen.cao@huawei.com"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:=
none">zhen.cao@huawei.com</span></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vandersto=
k.org"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">consultancy@va=
nderstok.org</span></a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.=
org"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">consultancy@vand=
erstok.org</span></a>&gt;,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &quot;Routing Over Low power and =
Lossy networks&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org"><span style=3D"co=
lor:windowtext;text-decoration:none">roll@ietf.org</span></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [Roll] &quot;Charter inclusion: Work=
 in RPL control messages:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DIS Mod. - No-Path DAO&quot;<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Message-ID:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:0ADB5996A09=
C254EB300AB612DA81508215887F1@SZXEMI506-MBX.china.huawei.com"><span style=
=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">0ADB5996A09C254EB300AB612DA81508=
215887F1@SZXEMI506-MBX.china.huawei.com</span></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p>
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uot;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">I would like to support both drafts (I am co-auth=
or of the second draft), they are certainly relevant to the wg.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">I can contribute the review of the draft-gundogan=
-roll-dis-modifications.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">-Zhen<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; From: Roll [<a href=3D"mailto:roll-bounces@i=
etf.org"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:roll-=
bounces@ietf.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of peter van der
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Stok<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:44 PM<o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; To: Roll &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org=
"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">roll@ietf.org</span=
></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Subject: [Roll] &quot;Charter inclusion: Wor=
k in RPL control messages: DIS
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Mod. - No-Path DAO&quot;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we wo=
uld like to know your
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; opinion about the drafts, presented during I=
ETF95 and IETF96. This is
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; the first set of three emails. The adoption =
of drafts as WG drafts
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; will be asked independently dependent on the=
 status of the draft.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; A: draft-gundogan-roll-dis-modifications-00<=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DI=
S Modifications<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is the draft relevant to=
 the working group.?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you foresee to contri=
bute to the work described in the draft ?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Are you willing to revie=
w the draft ?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Should the draft be reje=
cted by the WG ?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; B: draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; No=
-Path DAO Problem Statement<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is the draft relevant to=
 the working group.?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you foresee to contri=
bute to the work described in the draft ?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Are you willing to revie=
w the draft ?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Should the draft be reje=
cted by the WG ?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; It would be nice to know the reasons why you=
 agree or disagree with
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; the drafts<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Thank you very much,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Peter and Ines<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; ____________________________________________=
___<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Roll mailing list<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:Roll@ietf.org"><span style=
=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Roll@ietf.org</span></a><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/list=
info/roll"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://ww=
w.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Message: 2<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 13:56:15 &#43;0200<o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">From: peter van der Stok &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:st=
okcons@xs4all.nl"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">sto=
kcons@xs4all.nl</span></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">To: Roll &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org"><sp=
an style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">roll@ietf.org</span></a>=
&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Subject: [Roll] Roll ietf96 minutes<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Message-ID: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:e73b847138c32a0=
e5e9c6a59cc3774e5@xs4all.nl"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoratio=
n:none">e73b847138c32a0e5e9c6a59cc3774e5@xs4all.nl</span></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII; for=
mat=3Dflowed<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Many thanks to Dominique for the minutes.<o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">They have been uploaded.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose =
identity could not be determined.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that ha=
s got lost.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Could these persons complement the information?<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">many thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Peter, Ines.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">--<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Peter van der Stok<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">vanderstok consultancy<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.=
org"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">consultancy@vand=
erstok.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">www: <a href=3D"http://www.vanderstok.org"><span =
style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">www.vanderstok.org</span></=
a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">tel NL: &#43;31(0)492474673&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; F: &#43;33(0)966015248<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Message: 3<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:22:23 &#43;0300<o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">From: Ines&nbsp; Robles &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mar=
iainesrobles@googlemail.com"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoratio=
n:none">mariainesrobles@googlemail.com</span></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vandersto=
k.org"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">consultancy@va=
nderstok.org</span></a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.=
org"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">consultancy@vand=
erstok.org</span></a>&gt;,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Routing Over Low power and Lossy =
networks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org"><span style=3D"color:windowte=
xt;text-decoration:none">roll@ietf.org</span></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [Roll] Roll ietf96 minutes<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Message-ID:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:CAP&#43;sJU=
d7ntWSjr4mTntAW=3DbX5XyqCfmjdPX=3DScSD0PHozyX5jw@mail.gmail.com"><span styl=
e=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">CAP&#43;sJUd7ntWSjr4mTntAW=3DbX=
5XyqCfmjdPX=3DScSD0PHozyX5jw@mail.gmail.com</span></a>&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D&quot;utf-8&q=
uot;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">The minute can be found here<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/mi=
nutes/minutes-96-roll"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none=
">https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/minutes/minutes-96-roll</span></a><o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Many thanks to Dominique again :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Peter, Ines.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">2016-08-04 14:56 GMT&#43;03:00 peter van der Stok=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;=
text-decoration:none">stokcons@xs4all.nl</span></a>&gt;:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Many thanks to Dominique for the minutes.<o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; They have been uploaded.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, w=
hose identity could not be<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; determined.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Also there is some text by Don and Pascal th=
at has got lost.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Could these persons complement the informati=
on?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; many thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Peter, Ines.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; --<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Peter van der Stok<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; vanderstok consultancy<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; mailto: <a href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vander=
stok.org"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">consultancy=
@vanderstok.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; www: <a href=3D"http://www.vanderstok.org"><=
span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">www.vanderstok.org</sp=
an></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; tel NL: &#43;31(0)492474673&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp; F: &#43;33(0)966015248<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt;<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; ____________________________________________=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Roll mailing list<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/list=
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Thanks Pascal for the reasoning,

@William, would reply you separately, since your questions are =
different.

To begin with, i want to point out foll things:
a. an assumption that the old parent can detect child node =
unavailability cannot be relied upon =E2=80=A6 in berlin i presented the =
scenarios where such an assumption doesn=E2=80=99t hold good.. =
(https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/slides/slides-96-roll-2.pdf =
<https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/slides/slides-96-roll-2.pdf> , =
slide 96).
b. Yes, the PathSequence usage has a problem =E2=80=A6 there is =
ambiguity in 6550 which has to be handled=E2=80=A6

nonetheless, my point is we currently do not have a solution for =
efficient route invalidation in 6550... subsequent response inline=E2=80=A6=



> On Aug 9, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) =
<pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:
>=20
> I=E2=80=99m unsure of that, William.
> =20
> All in all, I see this as an errata, and I=E2=80=99m not convinced =
that we need a new RFC.
> =20
> Here is my understanding (draft authors, please correct me if I missed =
some of your points):
> =20
> =C2=B7        When an old parent O loses a child, it can only send a =
no-path DAO with the same path sequence S0 as the last DAO it sent.

[RJ]
an old parent losing a child=E2=80=A6 this detection is non trivial =E2=80=
=A6 such detection works only if:
a. there is any p2p traffic in the "previous sub-dodag" with destination =
as the switching node or any of the dependent nodes =E2=80=A6 such p2p =
traffic can be sparse or non-existent.
b. parent node employs any technique to periodically detect child node =
connectivity =E2=80=A6 this is non-trivial to implement
c. the target node is a sleepy node then the detection is not possible =
=E2=80=A6
for details pls refer slide 96 of pdf mentioned above.
[/RJ]

> =20
> =C2=B7        A new parent N will propagate DAOs with a newer path =
sequence Sn > S0.
> =20
> =C2=B7        When that newer information hits a common ancestor C of =
O and N, C cleans up its stale state towards O because of the stale =
sequence, and continues propagating the new state towards the root, =
which in effect enables reachability to the child from the root and most =
of the DODAG, but not where a stale state is still present, between C =
and O.

> =20
> =C2=B7        The no-DAO is meant to clean up the state between O and =
C.
> =20
> I think I heard at the WG meeting that the no-path DAO would be =
ignored because the sequence is not incremented. To which I=E2=80=99ll =
point out the item 3 below from RFC 6550, which was intended to cover =
that case:
> =20
> In Storing mode, a DAO message is "new" if
>    it satisfies any of these criteria for a contained Target:
> =20
>    1.  it has a newer Path Sequence number,
> =20
>    2.  it has additional Path Control bits, or
> =20
>    3.  it is a No-Path DAO message that removes the last Downward =
route
>        to a prefix.
> =20
[RJ]=20
For point 2 and 3, the logic would work only if the same previous =
PathSequence number is used to send the NPDAO/DAO message =E2=80=A6 A =
node cannot entertain any no-path DAO message with older sequence =
numbers. The current text gives an impression that a No-Path DAO will be =
honored regardless of its PathSeq (I m not sure if =E2=80=9Cthe last =
Downward route=E2=80=9D equates to the same PathSeq)
[/RJ]

> It was pointed that next the text says:
> =20
>    6.  Nodes SHOULD ignore DAOs without newer sequence numbers and =
MUST
>        NOT process them further.
> =20
> I agree this is wrong. The spirit was:
> =20
>    6.  Nodes SHOULD ignore DAOs that are not =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D =
MUST NOT process them
>        further.
> =20
> =20
> Note that the bug above also impacts the process of getting multiple =
routes down.
> The whole design is to send multiple DAOs with a same sequence and NOT =
ignore them.

[RJ] This is a different case. multiple DAOs generated by same target =
via different parents can have same sequence number. The case described =
in the draft is that "of a non-target node generating an NPDAO on behalf =
of the target node" and choosing a PathSequence on its behalf. But yes, =
the same sequence logic will work here in both the cases. [/RJ]

> e.g.
> =20
>                                                         If a DAO
>          message containing the same Target is issued to multiple
>          parents at a given point in time for the purpose of route
>          redundancy, then the Path Sequence is the same in all the DAO
>          messages for that same target
> =20
> also
> =20
>                                       All DAOs generated at the same
>    time for the same Target MUST be sent with the same Path Sequence =
in
>    the Transit Information.
> =20
> =20
> My suggestion to solve this problem is to post an errata along the =
spirit above and be done with it. This way we are sure that plain RFC =
6550 implementation will look at it. A new RFC may be 1) overkill and 2) =
ignored.

[RJ]=20
Yes the errata is required which fixes part of the problem, but still =
the overall route invalidation is not efficient and depends on old =
parent detecting child node unavailability. And this is the aim of the =
draft. Highlight the problems to begin with and subsequently work on a =
solution.
[/RJ]

> =20
> Note that RPL also has a dataplane fix to clean reactively this stale =
state with the Forwarding-Error 'F' flag.

[RJ]
Again Forwarding-Error is a reactive mechanism to remove stale routes.
[/RJ]

> =20
> What do others think?
> =20
> Pascal
> =20
> From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of William
> Sent: mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 04:08
> To: roll@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Roll] "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages: =
DIS - Roll Digest Vol 103, Issue 2
> =20
> In my opinion, the draft draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01 is quite =
relevant.
> I am just not confident about the second draft =
draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01.
> We have deployed a WSN for experiments, but have not paid attention to =
that no-path DAO problem, so I still confuse about the importance of the =
draft.
> Jadhav and Cao, Have you implemented any testbeds for those cases =
written in the draft? Or do you have any paper analyzed those cases in =
more detail?
> If yes, I would like to do some real experiments to evaluate the =
importance of the draft.
> =20
> =20
> Kind regards,
> William
> PhD of Research
> IoT based Smart Furniture for Smart Home =
<http://cuddlyhomeadvisors.com/> Research Group
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> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:03:42 +0000
> From: "Caozhen (zcao)" <zhen.cao@huawei.com =
<mailto:zhen.cao@huawei.com>>
> To: "consultancy@vanderstok.org <mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org>" =
<consultancy@vanderstok.org <mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org>>,
>                 "Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks" =
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> Subject: Re: [Roll] "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages:
>                 DIS Mod. - No-Path DAO"
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> -Zhen
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org =
<mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of peter van der
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> > Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we would like to know your
> > opinion about the drafts, presented during IETF95 and IETF96. This =
is
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> >        DIS Modifications
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?
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> >        No-Path DAO Problem Statement
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> >=20
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> To: Roll <roll@ietf.org <mailto:roll@ietf.org>>
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> many thanks,
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> To: "consultancy@vanderstok.org <mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org>" =
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> Many thanks to Dominique again :-)
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> Peter, Ines.
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> 2016-08-04 14:56 GMT+03:00 peter van der Stok <stokcons@xs4all.nl =
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> > Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has got lost.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">Thanks Pascal for =
the reasoning,</span><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">@William, would reply you =
separately, since your questions are different.<br class=3D""></span><div =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">To begin with, i want to point out foll =
things:</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">a. an assumption that the old parent can detect child node =
unavailability cannot be relied upon =E2=80=A6 in berlin i presented the =
scenarios where such an assumption doesn=E2=80=99t hold good.. (<a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/slides/slides-96-roll-2.pdf" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/slides/slides-96-roll-2.pdf=
</a>&nbsp;, slide 96).</span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">b. Yes, the PathSequence usage has =
a problem =E2=80=A6 there is ambiguity in 6550 which has to be =
handled=E2=80=A6</span></div><div class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
14px;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">nonetheless, my point is we =
currently do not have a solution for efficient route invalidation in =
6550...&nbsp;subsequent response inline=E2=80=A6</span></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Aug 9, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:pthubert@cisco.com" class=3D"">pthubert@cisco.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);" class=3D"">I=E2=80=99m unsure of that, William.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">All in =
all, I see this as an errata, and I=E2=80=99m not convinced that we need =
a new RFC.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Here is =
my understanding (draft authors, please correct me if I missed some of =
your points):<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Symbol; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><span class=3D"">=C2=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">When an old parent O loses =
a child, it can only send a no-path DAO with the same path sequence S0 =
as the last DAO it sent.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">[RJ]</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">an old parent losing a child=E2=80=A6 this detection is non =
trivial =E2=80=A6 such detection works only if:</span></div><div><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">a. there is any p2p traffic in the =
"previous sub-dodag" with destination as the switching node or any of =
the dependent nodes =E2=80=A6 such p2p traffic can be sparse or =
non-existent.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">b. parent node employs any technique to periodically detect =
child node connectivity =E2=80=A6 this is non-trivial to =
implement</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">c. =
the target node is a sleepy node then the detection is not possible =
=E2=80=A6</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">for=
 details pls refer slide 96 of pdf mentioned =
above.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">[/RJ]</span></div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Symbol; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><span class=3D"">=C2=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">A new parent N will =
propagate DAOs with a newer path sequence Sn &gt; S0.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Symbol; =
color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><span class=3D"">=C2=B7<span =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">When that newer =
information hits a common ancestor C of O and N, C cleans up its stale =
state towards O because of the stale sequence, and continues propagating =
the new state towards the root, which in effect enables reachability to =
the child from the root and most of the DODAG, but not where a stale =
state is still present, between C and =
O.</span></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"">=C2=B7<span style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></span></span><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">The no-DAO is meant to =
clean up the state between O and =
C.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt 36pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
text-indent: -18pt;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">I think I =
heard at the WG meeting that the no-path DAO would be ignored because =
the sequence is not incremented. To which I=E2=80=99ll point out the =
item 3 below from RFC 6550, which was intended to cover that case:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><pre style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=3D"">In =
Storing mode, a DAO message is "new" if<o:p class=3D""></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
'Courier New';" class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; it satisfies any of these =
criteria for a contained Target:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
'Courier New';" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
'Courier New';" class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.&nbsp; it has a newer Path =
Sequence number,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></pre><pre style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; 2.&nbsp; it has additional Path Control bits, =
or<o:p class=3D""></o:p></pre><pre style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;<span style=3D"background-color: yellow; =
background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial =
initial;" class=3D"">3.&nbsp; it is a No-Path DAO message that removes =
the last Downward route<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
'Courier New';" class=3D""><span style=3D"background-color: yellow; =
background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial =
initial;" class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to a =
prefix.</span><o:p class=3D""></o:p></pre><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">[RJ]&nbsp;</span></div><div><span =
style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">For point 2 and 3, the logic would =
work only if the same previous PathSequence number is used to send the =
NPDAO/DAO message =E2=80=A6 A node cannot entertain any no-path DAO =
message with older sequence numbers. The current text gives an =
impression that a No-Path DAO will be honored regardless of its PathSeq =
(I m not sure if&nbsp;=E2=80=9Cthe last Downward route=E2=80=9D equates =
to the same PathSeq)</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">[/RJ]</span></div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">It was =
pointed that next the text says:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><pre =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
'Courier New';" class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; 6.&nbsp; Nodes SHOULD ignore =
DAOs without newer sequence numbers and MUST<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></pre><pre style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; NOT process them =
further.</pre></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><pre style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></pre><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">I agree =
this is wrong. The spirit was:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, =
125);" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><pre =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
'Courier New';" class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; 6.&nbsp; Nodes SHOULD ignore =
DAOs that are not =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D MUST NOT process them<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></pre><pre style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;further.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></pre><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Note that =
the bug above also impacts the process of getting multiple routes =
down.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">The whole =
design is to send multiple DAOs with a same sequence and NOT ignore =
them.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" class=3D"">[RJ] =
This is a different case. multiple DAOs generated by same target via =
different parents can have same sequence number. The case described in =
the draft is that "of a non-target node generating an NPDAO on behalf of =
the target node" and choosing a PathSequence on its behalf. But yes, the =
same sequence logic will work here in both the cases. =
[/RJ]</span></div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div=
 class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">e.g.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If a DAO<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;message =
containing the same Target is issued to multiple<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; parents at a =
given point in time for the purpose of route<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; redundancy, =
then the Path Sequence is the same in all the DAO<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; messages for =
that same target<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">also<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><pre style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; All DAOs generated at the same<o:p class=3D""></o:p></pre><pre=
 style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
'Courier New';" class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; time for the same Target MUST be =
sent with the same Path Sequence in<o:p class=3D""></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: =
'Courier New';" class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; the Transit Information.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></pre><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">My =
suggestion to solve this problem is to post an errata along the spirit =
above and be done with it. This way we are sure that plain RFC 6550 =
implementation will look at it. A new RFC may be 1) overkill and 2) =
ignored.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br =
class=3D""></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">[RJ]&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">Yes the errata is required which fixes part of the problem, =
but still the overall route invalidation is not efficient and depends on =
old parent detecting child node unavailability. And this is the aim of =
the draft. Highlight the problems to begin with and subsequently work on =
a solution.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">[/RJ]</span></div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Note that =
RPL also has a dataplane fix to clean reactively this stale state with =
the Forwarding-Error 'F' flag.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><br =
class=3D""><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">[RJ]</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">Again Forwarding-Error is a reactive mechanism to remove =
stale routes.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 14px;" =
class=3D"">[/RJ]</span></div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">What do =
others think?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Pascal<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div><div style=3D"border-style: none =
none none solid; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 1.5pt; =
padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4pt;" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, =
225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Roll [<a =
href=3D"mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org" =
class=3D"">mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>William<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 =
04:08<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" class=3D"">roll@ietf.org</a><br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [Roll] "Charter =
inclusion: Work in RPL control messages: DIS - Roll Digest Vol 103, =
Issue 2<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">In my opinion, the draft draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01 =
is quite relevant.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">I am just not confident about the second draft =
draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">We have deployed a WSN for experiments, =
but have not paid attention to that no-path DAO problem, so I still =
confuse about the importance of the draft.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div=
 style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Jadhav and Cao, Have you implemented =
any testbeds for those cases written in the draft? Or do you have any =
paper analyzed those cases in more detail?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div=
 style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">If yes, I would like to do some real =
experiments to evaluate the importance of the draft.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Kind =
regards,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">William<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">PhD of Research<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">IoT based<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://cuddlyhomeadvisors.com/" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">Smart Furniture for Smart =
Home</a><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Research =
Group<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: Roll [<a =
href=3D"mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org</a>] =
On Behalf Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:roll-request@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">roll-request@ietf.org</a><br =
class=3D"">Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:00 PM<br class=3D"">To:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">roll@ietf.org</a><br =
class=3D"">Subject: Roll Digest, Vol 103, Issue 2<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Send Roll =
mailing list submissions to<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">roll@ietf.org</span></a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">To subscribe or unsubscribe via the =
World Wide Web, visit<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll" style=3D"color: =
rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll</span></a><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">or, via =
email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<o:p =
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
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text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">roll-request@ietf.org</span></a><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">You can =
reach the person managing the list at<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
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Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:roll-owner@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">roll-owner@ietf.org</span></a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">When replying, please edit your Subject =
line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Roll digest..."<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Today's =
Topics:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. Re: "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control =
messages: DIS<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mod. - No-Path DAO" (Caozhen =
(zcao))<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; 2. Roll ietf96 minutes (peter van der Stok)<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp; 3. Re: Roll ietf96 minutes (Ines Robles)<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">---------------------------------------------------------------=
-------<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Message: 1<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:03:42 +0000<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From: =
"Caozhen (zcao)" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zhen.cao@huawei.com" =
style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">zhen.cao@huawei.com</span></a>&gt;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">To: "<a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">consultancy@vanderstok.org</span></a>" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">consultancy@vanderstok.org</span></a>&gt;,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks" =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">roll@ietf.org</span></a>&gt;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Roll] "Charter inclusion: =
Work in RPL control messages:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DIS Mod. - No-Path DAO"<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Message-ID:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:0ADB5996A09C254EB300AB612DA81508215887F1@SZXEMI506-MBX.chin=
a.huawei.com" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext; =
text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">0ADB5996A09C254EB300AB612DA81508215887F1@SZXEMI506-MBX.china.hu=
awei.com</span></a>&gt;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I would =
like to support both drafts (I am co-author of the second draft), they =
are certainly relevant to the wg.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I can contribute the review of the =
draft-gundogan-roll-dis-modifications.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">-Zhen<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; -----Original Message-----<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
From: Roll [<a href=3D"mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org" style=3D"color: =
rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of peter =
van der<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt; Stok<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt; Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:44 PM<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; To: =
Roll &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">roll@ietf.org</span></a>&gt;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; Subject: [Roll] "Charter =
inclusion: Work in RPL control messages: DIS<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; Mod. =
- No-Path DAO"<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; Dear =
all,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we would like to know your<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
opinion about the drafts, presented during IETF95 and IETF96. This =
is<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; the =
first set of three emails. The adoption of drafts as WG drafts<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; will =
be asked independently dependent on the status of the draft.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; A: =
draft-gundogan-roll-dis-modifications-00<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DIS =
Modifications<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is the draft relevant to the working group.?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you foresee to contribute to the work described =
in the draft ?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Are you willing to review the draft =
?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; B: =
draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; No-Path DAO =
Problem Statement<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is the draft relevant to the working group.?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you foresee to contribute to the work described =
in the draft ?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Are you willing to review the draft =
?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; It =
would be nice to know the reasons why you agree or disagree with<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; the =
drafts<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
Thank you very much,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
Peter and Ines<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
_______________________________________________<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; Roll =
mailing list<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:Roll@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">Roll@ietf.org</span></a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll" style=3D"color: =
rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll</span></a><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">------------------------------<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Message: 2<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Date: =
Thu, 04 Aug 2016 13:56:15 +0200<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From: peter van der Stok &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">stokcons@xs4all.nl</span></a>&gt;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">To: Roll =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">roll@ietf.org</span></a>&gt;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Subject: [Roll] Roll ietf96 minutes<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Message-ID:=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:e73b847138c32a0e5e9c6a59cc3774e5@xs4all.nl" =
style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">e73b847138c32a0e5e9c6a59cc3774e5@xs4all.nl</span></a>&gt;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII; =
format=3Dflowed<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Dear all,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Many thanks to Dominique for the minutes.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">They have =
been uploaded.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose identity =
could not be determined.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has got =
lost.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Could =
these persons complement the information?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">many thanks,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Peter, =
Ines.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">--<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Peter van =
der Stok<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">vanderstok consultancy<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">mailto:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">consultancy@vanderstok.org</span></a><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">www:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://www.vanderstok.org/" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">www.vanderstok.org</span></a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">tel NL: =
+31(0)492474673&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; F: +33(0)966015248<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">------------------------------<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Message: 3<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Date: =
Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:22:23 +0300<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From: Ines&nbsp; Robles &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mariainesrobles@googlemail.com" style=3D"color: rgb(149, =
79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">mariainesrobles@googlemail.com</span></a>&gt;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">To: "<a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">consultancy@vanderstok.org</span></a>" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">consultancy@vanderstok.org</span></a>&gt;,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">roll@ietf.org</span></a>&gt;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Roll] Roll ietf96 =
minutes<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Message-ID:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:CAP+sJUd7ntWSjr4mTntAW=3DbX5XyqCfmjdPX=3DScSD0PHozyX5jw@mai=
l.gmail.com" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext; =
text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">CAP+sJUd7ntWSjr4mTntAW=3DbX5XyqCfmjdPX=3DScSD0PHozyX5jw@mail.gm=
ail.com</span></a>&gt;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">The =
minute can be found here<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/minutes/minutes-96-roll" =
style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/minutes/minutes-96-roll</sp=
an></a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Many thanks to Dominique again :-)<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Peter, =
Ines.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
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text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; Dear =
all,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<o:p =
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Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; They have been uploaded.<o:p =
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0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
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Hi William,=20
Pls find my comments inline.

Regards,
Rahul

> On Aug 10, 2016, at 7:38 AM, William <william.vicdev@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> In my opinion, the draft draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01 is quite =
relevant.
> I am just not confident about the second draft =
draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01.=20

Is/Are there any specific point(s) you are not confident about?

> We have deployed a WSN for experiments, but have not paid attention to =
that no-path DAO problem, so I still confuse about the importance of the =
draft.=20
> Jadhav and Cao, Have you implemented any testbeds for those cases =
written in the draft? Or do you have any paper analyzed those cases in =
more detail?

The current draft is a problem statement only draft which also addresses =
limitations of existing solutions. Let me give some background on how we =
ended up taking this problem statement more seriously =E2=80=A6 We are =
designing/implementing a solution and part of the solution depended upon =
how efficiently the routing tables are maintained or whether routing =
tables reflected the latest state of network topology (since decisions =
were to be made based upon how much a given router/6LR is loaded and one =
of the parameter is the routing table size of the 6LR).  We found that =
current route invalidation mechanism has limitations and the routing =
tables in most cases were carrying stale routes for a long time. We are =
currently working on a solution proposition to improvise on this.

> If yes, I would like to do some real experiments to evaluate the =
importance of the draft.
> =20
> Kind regards,
> William
> PhD of Research
> IoT based Smart Furniture for Smart Home =
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> From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org =
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>    1. Re: "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages: DIS
>       Mod. - No-Path DAO" (Caozhen (zcao))
>    2. Roll ietf96 minutes (peter van der Stok)
>    3. Re: Roll ietf96 minutes (Ines Robles)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:03:42 +0000
> From: "Caozhen (zcao)" <zhen.cao@huawei.com =
<mailto:zhen.cao@huawei.com>>
> To: "consultancy@vanderstok.org <mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org>" =
<consultancy@vanderstok.org <mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org>>,
>                 "Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks" =
<roll@ietf.org <mailto:roll@ietf.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Roll] "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages:
>                 DIS Mod. - No-Path DAO"
> Message-ID:
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> I would like to support both drafts (I am co-author of the second =
draft), they are certainly relevant to the wg.=20
> =20
> I can contribute the review of the =
draft-gundogan-roll-dis-modifications.=20
> =20
> -Zhen
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org =
<mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org>] On Behalf Of peter van der=20
> > Stok
> > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:44 PM
> > To: Roll <roll@ietf.org <mailto:roll@ietf.org>>
> > Subject: [Roll] "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages: =
DIS=20
> > Mod. - No-Path DAO"
> >=20
> > Dear all,
> >=20
> > Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we would like to know your=20
> > opinion about the drafts, presented during IETF95 and IETF96. This =
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> > the first set of three emails. The adoption of drafts as WG drafts=20=

> > will be asked independently dependent on the status of the draft.
> >=20
> > A: draft-gundogan-roll-dis-modifications-00
> >        DIS Modifications
> >=20
> > ?    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?
> > ?    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in the draft =
?
> > ?    Are you willing to review the draft ?
> > ?    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?
> >=20
> > B: draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01
> >        No-Path DAO Problem Statement
> >=20
> > ?    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?
> > ?    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in the draft =
?
> > ?    Are you willing to review the draft ?
> > ?    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?
> >=20
> >=20
> > It would be nice to know the reasons why you agree or disagree with=20=

> > the drafts
> >=20
> >=20
> > Thank you very much,
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> > Peter and Ines
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 13:56:15 +0200
> From: peter van der Stok <stokcons@xs4all.nl =
<mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl>>
> To: Roll <roll@ietf.org <mailto:roll@ietf.org>>
> Subject: [Roll] Roll ietf96 minutes
> Message-ID: <e73b847138c32a0e5e9c6a59cc3774e5@xs4all.nl =
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> Dear all,
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> Many thanks to Dominique for the minutes.
> They have been uploaded.
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> There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose identity could not be =
determined.
> Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has got lost.
> =20
> Could these persons complement the information?
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> many thanks,
> =20
> Peter, Ines.
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> --
> Peter van der Stok
> vanderstok consultancy
> mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org <mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org>
> www: www.vanderstok.org <http://www.vanderstok.org/>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:22:23 +0300
> From: Ines  Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com =
<mailto:mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>>
> To: "consultancy@vanderstok.org <mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org>" =
<consultancy@vanderstok.org <mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org>>,
>                 Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks =
<roll@ietf.org <mailto:roll@ietf.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Roll] Roll ietf96 minutes
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> The minute can be found here
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> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/minutes/minutes-96-roll =
<https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/minutes/minutes-96-roll>
> =20
> Many thanks to Dominique again :-)
> =20
> Peter, Ines.
> =20
> 2016-08-04 14:56 GMT+03:00 peter van der Stok <stokcons@xs4all.nl =
<mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl>>:
> =20
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> >=20
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> > They have been uploaded.
> >=20
> > There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose identity could not =
be
> > determined.
> > Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has got lost.
> >=20
> > Could these persons complement the information?
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> > many thanks,
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> > Peter, Ines.
> >=20
> > --
> > Peter van der Stok
> > vanderstok consultancy
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">Hi William,&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"">Pls =
find my comments inline.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Regards,</div><div class=3D"">Rahul</div><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On =
Aug 10, 2016, at 7:38 AM, William &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:william.vicdev@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">william.vicdev@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">In my opinion, the draft =
draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01 is quite relevant.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I am just =
not confident about the second draft =
draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></div></div></div></blockquot=
e><div><br class=3D""></div><div>Is/Are there any specific point(s) you =
are not confident about?</div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: =
WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">We have deployed a WSN for experiments, but have not paid =
attention to that no-path DAO problem, so I still confuse about the =
importance of the draft.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Jadhav =
and Cao, Have you implemented any testbeds for those cases written in =
the draft? Or do you have any paper analyzed those cases in more =
detail?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div><div>The =
current draft is a problem statement only draft which also addresses =
limitations of existing solutions. Let me give some background on how we =
ended up taking this problem statement more seriously =E2=80=A6 We are =
designing/implementing a solution and part of the solution depended upon =
how efficiently the routing tables are maintained or whether routing =
tables reflected the latest state of network topology (since decisions =
were to be made based upon how much a given router/6LR is loaded and one =
of the parameter is the routing table size of the 6LR). &nbsp;We found =
that current route invalidation mechanism has limitations and the =
routing tables in most cases were carrying stale routes for a long time. =
We are currently working on a solution proposition to improvise on =
this.</div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1; =
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
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orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">If yes, I =
would like to do some real experiments to evaluate the importance of the =
draft.</div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">---------------------------------------------------------------=
-------<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Message: 1<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:03:42 +0000<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From: =
"Caozhen (zcao)" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zhen.cao@huawei.com" =
style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">zhen.cao@huawei.com</span></a>&gt;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">To: "<a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">consultancy@vanderstok.org</span></a>" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">consultancy@vanderstok.org</span></a>&gt;,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks" =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">roll@ietf.org</span></a>&gt;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Roll] "Charter inclusion: =
Work in RPL control messages:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DIS Mod. - No-Path DAO"<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Message-ID:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:0ADB5996A09C254EB300AB612DA81508215887F1@SZXEMI506-MBX.chin=
a.huawei.com" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext; =
text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">0ADB5996A09C254EB300AB612DA81508215887F1@SZXEMI506-MBX.china.hu=
awei.com</span></a>&gt;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I would =
like to support both drafts (I am co-author of the second draft), they =
are certainly relevant to the wg.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">I can =
contribute the review of the draft-gundogan-roll-dis-modifications.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">-Zhen<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
-----Original Message-----<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; From: Roll [<a =
href=3D"mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of peter =
van der<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
Stok<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:44 PM<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; To: Roll &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">roll@ietf.org</span></a>&gt;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; Subject: [Roll] "Charter =
inclusion: Work in RPL control messages: DIS<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; Mod. =
- No-Path DAO"<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; Dear =
all,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we would like to know your<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
opinion about the drafts, presented during IETF95 and IETF96. This =
is<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; the =
first set of three emails. The adoption of drafts as WG drafts<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; will =
be asked independently dependent on the status of the draft.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; A: =
draft-gundogan-roll-dis-modifications-00<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DIS =
Modifications<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is the draft relevant to the working group.?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you foresee to contribute to the work described =
in the draft ?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Are you willing to review the draft =
?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; B: =
draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; No-Path DAO =
Problem Statement<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Is the draft relevant to the working group.?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Do you foresee to contribute to the work described =
in the draft ?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt; ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Are you willing to review the draft =
?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; It =
would be nice to know the reasons why you agree or disagree with<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; the =
drafts<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
Thank you very much,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
Peter and Ines<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
_______________________________________________<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; Roll =
mailing list<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:Roll@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">Roll@ietf.org</span></a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll" style=3D"color: =
rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll</span></a><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">------------------------------<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Message: 2<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Date: =
Thu, 04 Aug 2016 13:56:15 +0200<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From: peter van der Stok &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">stokcons@xs4all.nl</span></a>&gt;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">To: Roll =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">roll@ietf.org</span></a>&gt;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Subject: [Roll] Roll ietf96 minutes<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Message-ID:=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:e73b847138c32a0e5e9c6a59cc3774e5@xs4all.nl" =
style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">e73b847138c32a0e5e9c6a59cc3774e5@xs4all.nl</span></a>&gt;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII; =
format=3Dflowed<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Dear all,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Many thanks to Dominique for the minutes.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">They have =
been uploaded.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose identity =
could not be determined.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has got =
lost.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Could =
these persons complement the information?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">many thanks,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Peter, =
Ines.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">--<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Peter van =
der Stok<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">vanderstok consultancy<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">mailto:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">consultancy@vanderstok.org</span></a><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">www:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://www.vanderstok.org/" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">www.vanderstok.org</span></a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">tel NL: =
+31(0)492474673&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; F: +33(0)966015248<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">------------------------------<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Message: 3<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Date: =
Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:22:23 +0300<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From: Ines&nbsp; Robles &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:mariainesrobles@googlemail.com" style=3D"color: rgb(149, =
79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">mariainesrobles@googlemail.com</span></a>&gt;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">To: "<a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">consultancy@vanderstok.org</span></a>" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">consultancy@vanderstok.org</span></a>&gt;,<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">roll@ietf.org</span></a>&gt;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Subject: Re: [Roll] Roll ietf96 =
minutes<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Message-ID:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:CAP+sJUd7ntWSjr4mTntAW=3DbX5XyqCfmjdPX=3DScSD0PHozyX5jw@mai=
l.gmail.com" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: =
underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext; =
text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">CAP+sJUd7ntWSjr4mTntAW=3DbX5XyqCfmjdPX=3DScSD0PHozyX5jw@mail.gm=
ail.com</span></a>&gt;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"utf-8"<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">The =
minute can be found here<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/minutes/minutes-96-roll" =
style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/minutes/minutes-96-roll</sp=
an></a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Many thanks to Dominique again :-)<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Peter, =
Ines.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">2016-08-04 =
14:56 GMT+03:00 peter van der Stok &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">stokcons@xs4all.nl</span></a>&gt;:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; Dear =
all,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; Many =
thanks to Dominique for the minutes.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; They have been uploaded.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose identity could not =
be<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
determined.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt; Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has got =
lost.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
Could these persons complement the information?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; many =
thanks,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: =
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt; Peter, Ines.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
--<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
Peter van der Stok<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt; vanderstok consultancy<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; mailto:<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">consultancy@vanderstok.org</span></a><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
www:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"http://www.vanderstok.org/" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">www.vanderstok.org</span></a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; tel NL: =
+31(0)492474673&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; F: +33(0)966015248<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; =
_______________________________________________<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt; Roll =
mailing list<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">&gt;<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:Roll@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">Roll@ietf.org</span></a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll" style=3D"color: =
rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll</span></a><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">&gt;<o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
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font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">An HTML =
attachment was scrubbed...<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
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Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">URL: &lt;<a =
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windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
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804/a0898b03/attachment.html</span></a>&gt;<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">------------------------------<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Subject: Digest Footer<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Roll =
mailing list<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:Roll@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, =
114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span style=3D"color: =
windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">Roll@ietf.org</span></a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll" style=3D"color: =
rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"color: windowtext; text-decoration: none;" =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll</span></a><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">------------------------------<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">End of Roll Digest, Vol 103, Issue =
2<o:p class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">************************************<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div></div><span style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: =
none; display: inline !important;" =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: =
Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: =
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: =
none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Roll mailing =
list</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
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Hi Pascal,

Thanks for discussion.

ERRATA is considered as an error "at the time the document was published ",
I do not think it's the proper way to include new technique modifications.


Also, from the discussion, I feel that we agree there are problems related
to NP-DAO signaling, which is the scope of this PS document.  What you
suggested is a solution to this problem, and the way to handle it, which
can be discussed later in my opinion.

How sounds?

Zhen
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <
pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> </PT>
>
>
>
> Do we agree on these additional two changes?
>
>
>
> My conclusion on the work to come is that:
>
>
>
> =C2=B7        in the one hand we fix RFC 6550 where it needs to be fixed,=
 and
> I think that this should be done through ERRATA
>
> =C2=B7        in the other hand you focus your work on what=E2=80=99s new=
 proposal /
> function and let the group see if that in itself is valuable enough to
> standardize
>
>
>
> What do others think?
>
>
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
> *From:* Rahul Jadhav [mailto:rahul.ietf@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* mardi 9 ao=C3=BBt 2016 20:28
> *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
> *Cc:* Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>;
> william.vicdev@gmail.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Roll] "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages:
> DIS - Roll Digest Vol 103, Issue 2
>
>
>
> Thanks Pascal for the reasoning,
>
>
>
> @William, would reply you separately, since your questions are different.
>
>
>
> To begin with, i want to point out foll things:
>
> a. an assumption that the old parent can detect child node unavailability
> cannot be relied upon =E2=80=A6 in berlin i presented the scenarios where=
 such an
> assumption doesn=E2=80=99t hold good.. (https://www.ietf.org/
> proceedings/96/slides/slides-96-roll-2.pdf , slide 96).
>
> b. Yes, the PathSequence usage has a problem =E2=80=A6 there is ambiguity=
 in 6550
> which has to be handled=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
> nonetheless, my point is we currently do not have a solution for efficien=
t
> route invalidation in 6550... subsequent response inline=E2=80=A6
>
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 9, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com=
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99m unsure of that, William.
>
>
>
> All in all, I see this as an errata, and I=E2=80=99m not convinced that w=
e need a
> new RFC.
>
>
>
> Here is my understanding (draft authors, please correct me if I missed
> some of your points):
>
>
>
> =C2=B7        When an old parent O loses a child, it can only send a no-p=
ath
> DAO with the same path sequence S0 as the last DAO it sent.
>
>
>
> [RJ]
>
> an old parent losing a child=E2=80=A6 this detection is non trivial =E2=
=80=A6 such
> detection works only if:
>
> a. there is any p2p traffic in the "previous sub-dodag" with destination
> as the switching node or any of the dependent nodes =E2=80=A6 such p2p tr=
affic can
> be sparse or non-existent.
>
> b. parent node employs any technique to periodically detect child node
> connectivity =E2=80=A6 this is non-trivial to implement
>
> c. the target node is a sleepy node then the detection is not possible =
=E2=80=A6
>
> for details pls refer slide 96 of pdf mentioned above.
>
> [/RJ]
>
>
>
>
>
> =C2=B7        A new parent N will propagate DAOs with a newer path sequen=
ce Sn
> > S0.
>
>
>
> =C2=B7        When that newer information hits a common ancestor C of O a=
nd N,
> C cleans up its stale state towards O because of the stale sequence, and
> continues propagating the new state towards the root, which in effect
> enables reachability to the child from the root and most of the DODAG, bu=
t
> not where a stale state is still present, between C and O.
>
>
>
> =C2=B7        The no-DAO is meant to clean up the state between O and C.
>
>
>
> I think I heard at the WG meeting that the no-path DAO would be ignored
> because the sequence is not incremented. To which I=E2=80=99ll point out =
the item 3
> below from RFC 6550, which was intended to cover that case:
>
>
>
> In Storing mode, a DAO message is "new" if
>
>    it satisfies any of these criteria for a contained Target:
>
>
>
>    1.  it has a newer Path Sequence number,
>
>
>
>    2.  it has additional Path Control bits, or
>
>
>
>    3.  it is a No-Path DAO message that removes the last Downward route
>
>        to a prefix.
>
>
>
> [RJ]
>
> For point 2 and 3, the logic would work only if the same previous
> PathSequence number is used to send the NPDAO/DAO message =E2=80=A6 A nod=
e cannot
> entertain any no-path DAO message with older sequence numbers. The curren=
t
> text gives an impression that a No-Path DAO will be honored regardless of
> its PathSeq (I m not sure if =E2=80=9Cthe last Downward route=E2=80=9D eq=
uates to the same
> PathSeq)
>
> [/RJ]
>
>
>
> It was pointed that next the text says:
>
>
>
>    6.  Nodes SHOULD ignore DAOs without newer sequence numbers and MUST
>
>        NOT process them further.
>
>
>
> I agree this is wrong. The spirit was:
>
>
>
>    6.  Nodes SHOULD ignore DAOs that are not =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=9D MUST N=
OT process them
>
>        further.
>
>
>
>
>
> Note that the bug above also impacts the process of getting multiple
> routes down.
>
> The whole design is to send multiple DAOs with a same sequence and NOT
> ignore them.
>
>
>
> [RJ] This is a different case. multiple DAOs generated by same target via
> different parents can have same sequence number. The case described in th=
e
> draft is that "of a non-target node generating an NPDAO on behalf of the
> target node" and choosing a PathSequence on its behalf. But yes, the same
> sequence logic will work here in both the cases. [/RJ]
>
>
>
> e.g.
>
>
>
>                                                         If a DAO
>
>          message containing the same Target is issued to multiple
>
>          parents at a given point in time for the purpose of route
>
>          redundancy, then the Path Sequence is the same in all the DAO
>
>          messages for that same target
>
>
>
> also
>
>
>
>                                       All DAOs generated at the same
>
>    time for the same Target MUST be sent with the same Path Sequence in
>
>    the Transit Information.
>
>
>
>
>
> My suggestion to solve this problem is to post an errata along the spirit
> above and be done with it. This way we are sure that plain RFC 6550
> implementation will look at it. A new RFC may be 1) overkill and 2) ignor=
ed.
>
>
>
> [RJ]
>
> Yes the errata is required which fixes part of the problem, but still the
> overall route invalidation is not efficient and depends on old parent
> detecting child node unavailability. And this is the aim of the draft.
> Highlight the problems to begin with and subsequently work on a solution.
>
> [/RJ]
>
>
>
>
>
> Note that RPL also has a dataplane fix to clean reactively this stale
> state with the Forwarding-Error 'F' flag.
>
>
>
> [RJ]
>
> Again Forwarding-Error is a reactive mechanism to remove stale routes.
>
> [/RJ]
>
>
>
>
>
> What do others think?
>
>
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
> *From:* Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org <roll-bounces@ietf.org>] *On
> Behalf Of *William
> *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 04:08
> *To:* roll@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Roll] "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages:
> DIS - Roll Digest Vol 103, Issue 2
>
>
>
> In my opinion, the draft draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01 is quite
> relevant.
>
> I am just not confident about the second draft
> draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01.
>
> We have deployed a WSN for experiments, but have not paid attention to
> that no-path DAO problem, so I still confuse about the importance of the
> draft.
>
> Jadhav and Cao, Have you implemented any testbeds for those cases written
> in the draft? Or do you have any paper analyzed those cases in more detai=
l?
>
> If yes, I would like to do some real experiments to evaluate the
> importance of the draft.
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> William
>
> PhD of Research
>
> IoT based Smart Furniture for Smart Home <http://cuddlyhomeadvisors.com/>=
 Research
> Group
>
>
>
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>    1. Re: "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages: DIS
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>       Mod. - No-Path DAO" (Caozhen (zcao))
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> Message: 1
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> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:03:42 +0000
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> From: "Caozhen (zcao)" <zhen.cao@huawei.com>
>
> To: "consultancy@vanderstok.org" <consultancy@vanderstok.org>,
>
>                 "Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks" <roll@ietf.or=
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> >
>
> Subject: Re: [Roll] "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages:
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>                 DIS Mod. - No-Path DAO"
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>
> I can contribute the review of the draft-gundogan-roll-dis-modifications.
>
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>
> -Zhen
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org <roll-bounces@ietf.org>] On
> Behalf Of peter van der
>
> > Stok
>
> > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:44 PM
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> > To: Roll <roll@ietf.org>
>
> > Subject: [Roll] "Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control messages: DIS
>
> > Mod. - No-Path DAO"
>
> >
>
> > Dear all,
>
> >
>
> > Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we would like to know your
>
> > opinion about the drafts, presented during IETF95 and IETF96. This is
>
> > the first set of three emails. The adoption of drafts as WG drafts
>
> > will be asked independently dependent on the status of the draft.
>
> >
>
> > A: draft-gundogan-roll-dis-modifications-00
>
> >        DIS Modifications
>
> >
>
> > ?    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?
>
> > ?    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in the draft ?
>
> > ?    Are you willing to review the draft ?
>
> > ?    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?
>
> >
>
> > B: draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01
>
> >        No-Path DAO Problem Statement
>
> >
>
> > ?    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?
>
> > ?    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in the draft ?
>
> > ?    Are you willing to review the draft ?
>
> > ?    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > It would be nice to know the reasons why you agree or disagree with
>
> > the drafts
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Thank you very much,
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> >
>
> > Peter and Ines
>
> >
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> Message: 2
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> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 13:56:15 +0200
>
> From: peter van der Stok <stokcons@xs4all.nl>
>
> To: Roll <roll@ietf.org>
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> Dear all,
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>
>
> Many thanks to Dominique for the minutes.
>
> They have been uploaded.
>
>
>
> There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose identity could not be
> determined.
>
> Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has got lost.
>
>
>
> Could these persons complement the information?
>
>
>
> many thanks,
>
>
>
> Peter, Ines.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Peter van der Stok
>
> vanderstok consultancy
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> From: Ines  Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>
>
> To: "consultancy@vanderstok.org" <consultancy@vanderstok.org>,
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>                 Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
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> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/minutes/minutes-96-roll
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>
>
> Many thanks to Dominique again :-)
>
>
>
> Peter, Ines.
>
>
>
> 2016-08-04 14:56 GMT+03:00 peter van der Stok <stokcons@xs4all.nl>:
>
>
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> > Dear all,
>
> >
>
> > Many thanks to Dominique for the minutes.
>
> > They have been uploaded.
>
> >
>
> > There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose identity could not be
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> > Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has got lost.
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> >
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> > Could these persons complement the information?
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> >
>
> > many thanks,
>
> >
>
> > Peter, Ines.
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > Peter van der Stok
>
> > vanderstok consultancy
>
> > mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org
>
> > www: www.vanderstok.org
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Pascal,=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Thanks for discussion.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>ERRATA is considered as an error &quot;at t=
he time the document was published &quot;, I do not think it&#39;s the prop=
er way to include new technique modifications. =C2=A0=C2=A0<br></div><div><=
br></div><div><div>Also, from the discussion, I feel that we agree there ar=
e problems related to NP-DAO signaling, which is the scope of this PS docum=
ent.=C2=A0 What you suggested is a solution to this problem, and the way to=
 handle it, which can be discussed later in my opinion.=C2=A0</div></div><d=
iv><br></div><div>How sounds?</div><div><br></div><div>Zhen</div><div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 4:=
42 PM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pt=
hubert@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">pthubert@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote=
:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bo=
rder-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">&lt;/PT&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Do we agree on these additional two changes?=
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">My conclusion on the work to come is that:<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(31,73,=
125)"><span>=C2=B7<span style=3D"font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font=
-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-fa=
mily:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calib=
ri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">in the one hand we fix RFC 6550 where i=
t needs to be fixed, and I think that this should be done through ERRATA<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;color:rgb(31,73,=
125)"><span>=C2=B7<span style=3D"font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font=
-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-fa=
mily:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span></span><u></u><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calib=
ri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">in the other hand you focus your work o=
n what=E2=80=99s new proposal / function and let the group see if that in i=
tself is valuable enough to standardize<u></u><u></u></span></p><span class=
=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">What do others think?<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Pascal<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</span><div style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:bl=
ue;border-left-width:1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4pt">
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<div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225=
);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri=
,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Cali=
bri,sans-serif"> Rahul Jadhav [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:rahul.ietf@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">rahul.ietf@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> mardi 9 ao=C3=BBt 2016 20:28<br>
<b>To:</b> Pascal Thubert (pthubert) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pthubert@cisco.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">pthubert@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
roll@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">roll@ietf.org</a>&gt;; <a href=3D"mailto:w=
illiam.vicdev@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">william.vicdev@gmail.com</a></sp=
an></p><div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Roll] &quot;Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control mes=
sages: DIS - Roll Digest Vol 103, Issue 2<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">Thanks Pascal for t=
he reasoning,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">@William, would rep=
ly you separately, since your questions are different.</span><u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">To begin with, i wa=
nt to point out foll things:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">a. an assumption th=
at the old parent can detect child node unavailability cannot be relied upo=
n =E2=80=A6 in berlin i presented the scenarios where such an assumption do=
esn=E2=80=99t hold good.. (<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/s=
lides/slides-96-roll-2.pdf" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/<wbr>pro=
ceedings/96/slides/slides-<wbr>96-roll-2.pdf</a>=C2=A0,
 slide 96).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">b. Yes, the PathSeq=
uence usage has a problem =E2=80=A6 there is ambiguity in 6550 which has to=
 be handled=E2=80=A6</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">nonetheless, my poi=
nt is we currently do not have a solution for efficient route invalidation =
in 6550...=C2=A0subsequent response inline=E2=80=A6</span><u></u><u></u></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Aug 9, 2016, at 7:01 PM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert=
) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pthubert@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">pthubert@cisc=
o.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I=E2=80=99m unsure of that, William.</span><=
span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">All in all, I see this as an errata, and I=
=E2=80=99m not convinced that we need a new RFC.</span><span style=3D"font-=
size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Here is my understanding (draft authors, ple=
ase correct me if I missed some of your points):</span><span style=3D"font-=
size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-left:36pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;col=
or:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=B7</span><span style=3D"font-size:7pt;color:rgb(31,7=
3,125)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<span>=C2=A0</span></span=
><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,=
73,125)">When
 an old parent O loses a child, it can only send a no-path DAO with the sam=
e path sequence S0 as the last DAO it sent.</span><span style=3D"font-size:=
11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">[RJ]</span><u></u><=
u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">an old parent losin=
g a child=E2=80=A6 this detection is non trivial =E2=80=A6 such detection w=
orks only if:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">a. there is any p2p=
 traffic in the &quot;previous sub-dodag&quot; with destination as the swit=
ching node or any of the dependent nodes =E2=80=A6 such p2p traffic can be =
sparse or non-existent.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">b. parent node empl=
oys any technique to periodically detect child node connectivity =E2=80=A6 =
this is non-trivial to implement</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">c. the target node =
is a sleepy node then the detection is not possible =E2=80=A6</span><u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">for details pls ref=
er slide 96 of pdf mentioned above.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">[/RJ]</span><u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-left:36pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;col=
or:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=B7</span><span style=3D"font-size:7pt;color:rgb(31,7=
3,125)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<span>=C2=A0</span></span=
><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,=
73,125)">A
 new parent N will propagate DAOs with a newer path sequence Sn &gt; S0.</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-left:36pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;col=
or:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=B7</span><span style=3D"font-size:7pt;color:rgb(31,7=
3,125)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<span>=C2=A0</span></span=
><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,=
73,125)">When
 that newer information hits a common ancestor C of O and N, C cleans up it=
s stale state towards O because of the stale sequence, and continues propag=
ating the new state towards the root, which in effect enables reachability =
to the child from the root and most
 of the DODAG, but not where a stale state is still present, between C and =
O.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"margin-left:36pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Symbol;col=
or:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=B7</span><span style=3D"font-size:7pt;color:rgb(31,7=
3,125)">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<span>=C2=A0</span></span=
><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,=
73,125)">The
 no-DAO is meant to clean up the state between O and C.</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I think I heard at the WG meeting that the n=
o-path DAO would be ignored because the sequence is not incremented. To whi=
ch I=E2=80=99ll point out the item 3 below from
 RFC 6550, which was intended to cover that case:</span><span style=3D"font=
-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<pre>In Storing mode, a DAO message is &quot;new&quot; if<u></u><u></u></pr=
e>
<pre>=C2=A0=C2=A0 it satisfies any of these criteria for a contained Target=
:<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>=C2=A0=C2=A0 1.=C2=A0 it has a newer Path Sequence number,<u></u><u></=
u></pre>
<pre>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>=C2=A0=C2=A0 2.=C2=A0 it has additional Path Control bits, or<u></u><u=
></u></pre>
<pre>=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre> =C2=A0=C2=A0<span style=3D"background:yellow">3.=C2=A0 it is a No-Pat=
h DAO message that removes the last Downward route</span><u></u><u></u></pr=
e>
<pre><span style=3D"background:yellow">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
 to a prefix.</span><u></u><u></u></pre>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">[RJ]=C2=A0</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">For point 2 and 3, =
the logic would work only if the same previous PathSequence number is used =
to send the NPDAO/DAO message =E2=80=A6 A node cannot entertain any no-path=
 DAO message with older sequence numbers. The
 current text gives an impression that a No-Path DAO will be honored regard=
less of its PathSeq (I m not sure if=C2=A0=E2=80=9Cthe last Downward route=
=E2=80=9D equates to the same PathSeq)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">[/RJ]</span><u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">It was pointed that next the text says:</spa=
n><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<pre>=C2=A0=C2=A0 6.=C2=A0 Nodes SHOULD ignore DAOs without newer sequence =
numbers and MUST<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 NOT process them further.<u></u><=
u></u></pre>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I agree this is wrong. The spirit was:</span=
><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<pre>=C2=A0=C2=A0 6.=C2=A0 Nodes SHOULD ignore DAOs that are not =E2=80=9Cn=
ew=E2=80=9D MUST NOT process them<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0further.<u></u><u></u></pre>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Note that the bug above also impacts the pro=
cess of getting multiple routes down.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The whole design is to send multiple DAOs wi=
th a same sequence and NOT ignore them.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt=
;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">[RJ] This is a diff=
erent case. multiple DAOs generated by same target via different parents ca=
n have same sequence number. The case described in the draft is that &quot;=
of a non-target node generating an NPDAO
 on behalf of the target node&quot; and choosing a PathSequence on its beha=
lf. But yes, the same sequence logic will work here in both the cases. [/RJ=
]</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">e.g.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;fon=
t-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&#39;Couri=
er New&#39;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<wbr>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 If a DAO</span><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&#39;Couri=
er New&#39;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0message conta=
ining the same Target is issued to multiple</span><span style=3D"font-size:=
11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&#39;Couri=
er New&#39;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 parents at a =
given point in time for the purpose of route</span><span style=3D"font-size=
:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&#39;Couri=
er New&#39;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 redundancy, t=
hen the Path Sequence is the same in all the DAO</span><span style=3D"font-=
size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&#39;Couri=
er New&#39;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 messages for =
that same target</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">also</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;fon=
t-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<pre>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<wbr>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 All DAOs generated at the same<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>=C2=A0=C2=A0 time for the same Target MUST be sent with the same Path =
Sequence in<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>=C2=A0=C2=A0 the Transit Information.<u></u><u></u></pre>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">My suggestion to solve this problem is to po=
st an errata along the spirit above and be done with it. This way we are su=
re that plain RFC 6550 implementation will
 look at it. A new RFC may be 1) overkill and 2) ignored.</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">[RJ]=C2=A0</span><u=
></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">Yes the errata is r=
equired which fixes part of the problem, but still the overall route invali=
dation is not efficient and depends on old parent detecting child node unav=
ailability. And this is the aim of the
 draft. Highlight the problems to begin with and subsequently work on a sol=
ution.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">[/RJ]</span><u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Note that RPL also has a dataplane fix to cl=
ean reactively this stale state with the Forwarding-Error &#39;F&#39; flag.=
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">[RJ]</span><u></u><=
u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">Again Forwarding-Er=
ror is a reactive mechanism to remove stale routes.</span><u></u><u></u></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt">[/RJ]</span><u></u>=
<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">What do others think?</span><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Pascal</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;f=
ont-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:blue;bord=
er-left-width:1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4pt">
<div>
<div style=3D"border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225=
);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri=
,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-famil=
y:Calibri,sans-serif">=C2=A0</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;fon=
t-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Roll
 [<a href=3D"mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">mailto:roll-bo=
unces@ietf.org</a>]<span><wbr>=C2=A0</span><b>On Behalf Of<span>=C2=A0</spa=
n></b>William<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 04:08<br>
<b>To:</b><span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" target=3D"_bl=
ank">roll@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span>=C2=A0</span>Re: [Roll] &quot;Charter inclusion: Work =
in RPL control messages: DIS - Roll Digest Vol 103, Issue 2<u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">In my opinion, the draft draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-<wbr>ps-01=
 is quite relevant.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">I am just not confident about the second draft draft-jadhav-roll-=
no-path-dao-<wbr>ps-01.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">We have deployed a WSN for experiments, but have not paid attenti=
on to that no-path DAO problem, so I still confuse about the importance of =
the draft.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Jadhav and Cao, Have you implemented any testbeds for those cases=
 written in the draft? Or do you have any paper analyzed those cases in mor=
e detail?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">If yes, I would like to do some real experiments to evaluate the =
importance of the draft.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">William<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">PhD of Research<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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ns-serif">IoT based<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://cuddlyhomeadvisors.=
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ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Roll [<a href=3D"mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"><spa=
n style=3D"color:rgb(149,79,114)">mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org</span></a>] =
On Behalf Of<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:roll-request@ietf.org" tar=
get=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:rgb(149,79,114)">roll-request@ietf.org<=
/span></a><br>
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2016 12:00 PM<br>
To:<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"><s=
pan style=3D"color:rgb(149,79,114)">roll@ietf.org</span></a><br>
Subject: Roll Digest, Vol 103, Issue 2<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0 1. Re: &quot;Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control =
messages: DIS<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Mod. - No-Path DAO&quot; (Caozhen =
(zcao))<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0 2. Roll ietf96 minutes (peter van der Stok)<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0 3. Re: Roll ietf96 minutes (Ines Robles)<u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
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ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Message: 1<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 09:03:42 +0000<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">From: &quot;Caozhen (zcao)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:zhen.cao@h=
uawei.com" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoratio=
n:none">zhen.cao@huawei.com</span></a>&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org" target=3D=
"_blank"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">consultancy@=
vanderstok.org</span></a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vandersto=
k.org" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:no=
ne">consultancy@vanderstok.org</span></a>&gt;,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &quot;Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"><span style=
=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">roll@ietf.org</span></a>&gt;<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Subject: Re: [Roll] &quot;Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control =
messages:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DIS Mod. - No-Path DAO&quot;<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Message-ID:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:0ADB5996A09C254EB300AB612=
DA81508215887F1@SZXEMI506-MBX.china.huawei.com" target=3D"_blank"><span sty=
le=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">0ADB5996A09C254EB300AB612DA81<=
wbr>508215887F1@SZXEMI506-MBX.<wbr>china.huawei.com</span></a>&gt;<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D&quot;utf-8&quot;<u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">I would like to support both drafts (I am co-author of the second=
 draft), they are certainly relevant to the wg.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">I can contribute the review of the draft-gundogan-roll-dis-<wbr>m=
odifications.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">-Zhen<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; -----Original Message-----<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; From: Roll [<a href=3D"mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:ro=
ll-bounces@ietf.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of peter van der<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; Stok<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:44 PM<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; To: Roll &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" target=3D"_bla=
nk"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">roll@ietf.org</sp=
an></a>&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; Subject: [Roll] &quot;Charter inclusion: Work in RPL control=
 messages: DIS<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; Mod. - No-Path DAO&quot;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; Dear all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we would like to know=
 your<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; opinion about the drafts, presented during IETF95 and IETF96=
. This is<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; the first set of three emails. The adoption of drafts as WG =
drafts<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; will be asked independently dependent on the status of the d=
raft.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; A: draft-gundogan-roll-dis-<wbr>modifications-00<u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DIS Modifications<=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; ?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is the draft relevant to the working gro=
up.?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; ?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you foresee to contribute to the work=
 described in the draft ?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; ?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Are you willing to review the draft ?<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; ?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?=
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; B: draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-<wbr>ps-01<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 No-Path DAO Proble=
m Statement<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; ?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is the draft relevant to the working gro=
up.?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; ?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Do you foresee to contribute to the work=
 described in the draft ?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; ?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Are you willing to review the draft ?<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; ?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?=
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; It would be nice to know the reasons why you agree or disagr=
ee with<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; the drafts<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; Thank you very much,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; Peter and Ines<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; ______________________________<wbr>_________________<u></u><=
u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; Roll mailing list<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:Roll@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Roll@ietf.or=
g</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/li=
stinfo/roll" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decorat=
ion:none">https://www.ietf.org/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/roll</span></a><u></u>=
<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">------------------------------<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Message: 2<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 13:56:15 +0200<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">From: peter van der Stok &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl=
" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">s=
tokcons@xs4all.nl</span></a>&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">To: Roll &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"><=
span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">roll@ietf.org</span></=
a>&gt;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Subject: [Roll] Roll ietf96 minutes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Message-ID: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:e73b847138c32a0e5e9c6a59cc3774e=
5@xs4all.nl" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decorat=
ion:none">e73b847138c32a0e5e9c6a59cc377<wbr>4e5@xs4all.nl</span></a>&gt;<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII; format=3Dflowed<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Dear all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Many thanks to Dominique for the minutes.<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">They have been uploaded.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose identity could n=
ot be determined.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has got lost.<u></=
u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Could these persons complement the information?<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">many thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Peter, Ines.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">--<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Peter van der Stok<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">vanderstok consultancy<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">mailto:<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vandersto=
k.org" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:no=
ne">consultancy@<wbr>vanderstok.org</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">www:<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://www.vanderstok.org/" tar=
get=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">www.va=
nderstok.org</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">tel NL: <a href=3D"tel:%2B31%280%29492474673" value=3D"+314924746=
73" target=3D"_blank">+31(0)492474673</a>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 F: <a hre=
f=3D"tel:%2B33%280%29966015248" value=3D"+33966015248" target=3D"_blank">+3=
3(0)966015248</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">------------------------------<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Message: 3<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:22:23 +0300<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">From: Ines=C2=A0 Robles &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mariainesrobles@goo=
glemail.com" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decorat=
ion:none">mariainesrobles@googlemail.<wbr>com</span></a>&gt;<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">To: &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vanderstok.org" target=3D=
"_blank"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">consultancy@=
vanderstok.org</span></a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vandersto=
k.org" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:no=
ne">consultancy@vanderstok.org</span></a>&gt;,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:wind=
owtext;text-decoration:none">roll@ietf.org</span></a>&gt;<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Subject: Re: [Roll] Roll ietf96 minutes<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Message-ID:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:CAP+sJUd7ntWSjr4mTntAW=3D=
bX5XyqCfmjdPX=3DScSD0PHozyX5jw@mail.gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><span styl=
e=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">CAP+sJUd7ntWSjr4mTntAW=3D<wbr>b=
X5XyqCfmjdPX=3DScSD0PHozyX5jw@<wbr>mail.gmail.com</span></a>&gt;<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p>
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ns-serif">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D&quot;utf-8&quot;<u></u><u></=
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ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">The minute can be found here<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif"><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/minutes/minutes-96=
-roll" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decoration:no=
ne">https://www.ietf.org/<wbr>proceedings/96/minutes/<wbr>minutes-96-roll</=
span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Many thanks to Dominique again :-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">Peter, Ines.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">2016-08-04 14:56 GMT+03:00 peter van der Stok &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:stokcons@xs4all.nl" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;te=
xt-decoration:none">stokcons@xs4all.nl</span></a>&gt;:<u></u><u></u></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; Dear all,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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ns-serif">&gt; Many thanks to Dominique for the minutes.<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p>
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ns-serif">&gt; They have been uploaded.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; There are a few speakers denoted with xxx, whose identity co=
uld not be<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; determined.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; Also there is some text by Don and Pascal that has got lost.=
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; Could these persons complement the information?<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; many thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; Peter, Ines.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt;=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; --<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; Peter van der Stok<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; vanderstok consultancy<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif">&gt; mailto:<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"mailto:consultancy@vand=
erstok.org" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:windowtext;text-decorati=
on:none">consultancy@<wbr>vanderstok.org</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p=
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ns-serif">&gt; www:<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://www.vanderstok.org/=
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ns-serif">&gt; tel NL: <a href=3D"tel:%2B31%280%29492474673" value=3D"+3149=
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Dear all,

Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we would like to know your
opinion about the drafts, presented during IETF95 and IETF96. This the
last set of three messages. The adoption of drafts as WG drafts will
be asked independently dependent on the status of the draft.

Please, do answer to the three messages before 2 September 2016.


  F: draft-thubert-roll-dao-projection-02
      Root initiated routing state in RPL

•    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?
•    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in the draft ?
•    Are you willing to review the draft ?
•    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?


  G: draft-satish-roll-aodv-rpl-00
        Asymmetric AODV-P2P-RPL in Low-Power and Lossy Networks (LLNs)

  •    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?
  •    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in the draft ?
  •    Are you willing to review the draft ?
  •    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?


It would be nice to know the reasons why you agree or disagree with the 
drafts


Thank you very much,


  Peter and Ines



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During the Admin-Scope discussion about MPL and the like, I recall we had
some discussion about needing IPIP encapsulation.   I don't think that this
is in the MPL RFC.  I have been looking for slides that explained it; maybe
we realized that we didn't ever need it.

But, my memory is dim.


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Hi Michael,

staying within the MC scope no encapsulation is needed.
Going out, or coming form outside; yes there is.

There is a paragraph on this aspect in RFC 7732

Greetings,

Peter

Michael Richardson schreef op 2016-08-15 17:04:
> During the Admin-Scope discussion about MPL and the like, I recall we 
> had
> some discussion about needing IPIP encapsulation.   I don't think that 
> this
> is in the MPL RFC.  I have been looking for slides that explained it; 
> maybe
> we realized that we didn't ever need it.
> 
> But, my memory is dim.
> 
> 
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peter van der Stok <stokcons@xs4all.nl> wrote:
    > staying within the MC scope no encapsulation is needed.  Going out, or
    > coming form outside; yes there is.

    > There is a paragraph on this aspect in RFC 7732

Did we have some diagrams about this at sometime?

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Seems like the draft needs some more on how the IETF will allocate the subt=
ype.=20


> On Jul 18, 2016, at 6:39 AM, Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@ericsson.co=
m> wrote:
>=20
> Hi all,
>   I am considering AD sponsoring the following draft
>=20
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kivinen-802-15-ie-02
>=20
> to request the allocation of an 802.15.4 information element from the IEE=
E=20
> for use in the IETF protocols that may need it. If you have any concerns=
=20
> either with the content of the draft or about requesting the IE at all pl=
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> let me know before 2016/07/29.
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> Thanks
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Cullen Jennings (fluffy) writes:
> Seems like the draft needs some more on how the IETF will allocate
> the subtype.

If you mean how IETF will get the subtype from the IEEE, then after we
have this document approved, we make an request to the IEEE refering
to this document, and IEEE 802.15 Assigned Numbers Authority will then
follow their own procedures to do the allocation:
http://www.ieee802.org/15/ANA.html

I think first we just need to specify how we are going to do the
subtyping (or at least have belivable plan for it) before we can start
the process.

What kind of text you think we should add to this document?
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To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>, "Toerless Eckert (eckert)" <eckert@cisco.com>
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hat off

+1

may be change title from "dao-projection" (very technical) to 
"hybrid-storing" (more objective oriented?)

Peter

Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw) schreef op 2016-08-25 11:38:
> Dear all,
> 
> I support the work on DAO projection and would be willing to review it.
> 
> This will bring value to a RPL based network.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Patrick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/08/16 08:49, "Roll on behalf of peter van der Stok"
> <roll-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of stokcons@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we would like to know your
>> opinion about the drafts, presented during IETF95 and IETF96. This the
>> last set of three messages. The adoption of drafts as WG drafts will
>> be asked independently dependent on the status of the draft.
>> 
>> Please, do answer to the three messages before 2 September 2016.
>> 
>> 
>>  F: draft-thubert-roll-dao-projection-02
>>      Root initiated routing state in RPL
>> 
>> •    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?
>> •    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in the draft ?
>> •    Are you willing to review the draft ?
>> •    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?
>> 
>> 
>>  G: draft-satish-roll-aodv-rpl-00
>>        Asymmetric AODV-P2P-RPL in Low-Power and Lossy Networks (LLNs)
>> 
>>  •    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?
>>  •    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in the draft 
>> ?
>>  •    Are you willing to review the draft ?
>>  •    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?
>> 
>> 
>> It would be nice to know the reasons why you agree or disagree with 
>> the
>> drafts
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you very much,
>> 
>> 
>>  Peter and Ines
>> 
>> 
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peter van der Stok <stokcons@xs4all.nl> wrote:
    > +1

    > may be change title from "dao-projection" (very technical) to
    > "hybrid-storing" (more objective oriented?)

I think we should wind up with two documents.
1) DAO-projection mechanism that explains the packet, and what properties it
   has and how we signal which nodes understand it or not.

2) hydrid-storing mode which explains how to use the projected-DAO to get
   the desired properties.  It could be that there are other uses for it.

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Dear all,

Thanks for the reactions to our three e_mails in which we ask your 
support for the drafts that cover the work items in the proposed 
charter.

Given the current feedback the following milestones will be included:

Submission to IESG of the drafts:
A: draft-gundogan-roll-dis-modifications-00
       DIS Modifications
B: draft-jadhav-roll-no-path-dao-ps-01
       No-Path DAO Problem Statement
F: draft-thubert-roll-dao-projection-02
      Root initiated routing state in RPL
G: draft-satish-roll-aodv-rpl-00
        Asymmetric AODV-P2P-RPL in Low-Power and Lossy Networks (LLNs)

Given the lack of support for the following drafts, they will not appear 
in the list of milestones:

C: draft-vanderstok-roll-mpl-forw-select-00
      MPL Forwarder Select (MPLFS)
D: draft-bergmann-bier-ccast
     Source-Routed Multicast for RPL –
E: draft-vanderstok-roll-mpl-yang-01
     A YANG model for Multicast Protocol for Low power and lossy Networks 
(MPL)

When you want to make additional comments on these drafts (support or 
reject), please do not hesitate to comment before 9 September 2017.

Many thanks,

Peter and Ines.


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Yes, I support as well,

Thanks

AB

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw) <
pwetterw@cisco.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I support the work on DAO projection and would be willing to review it.
>
> This will bring value to a RPL based network.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
> On 12/08/16 08:49, "Roll on behalf of peter van der Stok" <
> roll-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of stokcons@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> >Dear all,
> >
> >Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we would like to know your
> >opinion about the drafts, presented during IETF95 and IETF96. This the
> >last set of three messages. The adoption of drafts as WG drafts will
> >be asked independently dependent on the status of the draft.
> >
> >Please, do answer to the three messages before 2 September 2016.
> >
> >
> >  F: draft-thubert-roll-dao-projection-02
> >      Root initiated routing state in RPL
> >
> >=E2=80=A2    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?
> >=E2=80=A2    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in the d=
raft ?
> >=E2=80=A2    Are you willing to review the draft ?
> >=E2=80=A2    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?
> >
> >
> >  G: draft-satish-roll-aodv-rpl-00
> >        Asymmetric AODV-P2P-RPL in Low-Power and Lossy Networks (LLNs)
> >
> >  =E2=80=A2    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?
> >  =E2=80=A2    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in the=
 draft ?
> >  =E2=80=A2    Are you willing to review the draft ?
> >  =E2=80=A2    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?
> >
> >
> >It would be nice to know the reasons why you agree or disagree with the
> >drafts
> >
> >
> >Thank you very much,
> >
> >
> >  Peter and Ines
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Yes, I support as well,</div><div><br></div><div>Than=
ks</div><div><br></div><div>AB</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Patrick Wetterwa=
ld (pwetterw) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwetterw@cisco.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">pwetterw@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">Dear all,<br>
<br>
I support the work on DAO projection and would be willing to review it.<br>
<br>
This will bring value to a RPL based network.<br>
<br>
Many thanks,<br>
<br>
Patrick<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 12/08/16 08:49, &quot;Roll on behalf of peter van der Stok&quot; &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org">roll-bounces@ietf.org</a> on behalf o=
f <a href=3D"mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl">stokcons@xs4all.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r>
<br>
&gt;Dear all,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we would like to know your<br>
&gt;opinion about the drafts, presented during IETF95 and IETF96. This the<=
br>
&gt;last set of three messages. The adoption of drafts as WG drafts will<br=
>
&gt;be asked independently dependent on the status of the draft.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Please, do answer to the three messages before 2 September 2016.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 F: draft-thubert-roll-dao-<wbr>projection-02<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Root initiated routing state in RPL<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=E2=80=A2=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Is the draft relevant to the working group.?<br>
&gt;=E2=80=A2=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Do you foresee to contribute to the work describ=
ed in the draft ?<br>
&gt;=E2=80=A2=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Are you willing to review the draft ?<br>
&gt;=E2=80=A2=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 G: draft-satish-roll-aodv-rpl-00<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Asymmetric AODV-P2P-RPL in Low-Power and Lo=
ssy Networks (LLNs)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =E2=80=A2=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Is the draft relevant to the working grou=
p.?<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =E2=80=A2=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Do you foresee to contribute to the work =
described in the draft ?<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =E2=80=A2=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Are you willing to review the draft ?<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 =E2=80=A2=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?<=
br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;It would be nice to know the reasons why you agree or disagree with the=
<br>
&gt;drafts<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Thank you very much,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A0 Peter and Ines<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;_____________________________<wbr>__________________<br>
&gt;Roll mailing list<br>
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>
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+1 on the draft-thubert-roll-dao-projection

Allowing a centralized entity to install p2p routes between end-nodes is =
an interesting feature that can be very useful in real-time or very =
constrained networks among others. This could, among others, allow for a =
much richer path calculation in the PCE, otherwise be unfeasible by the =
end-nodes.

Best,
Alexander


> Le 31 ao=C3=BBt 2016 =C3=A0 09:50, Abdussalam Baryun =
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> Yes, I support as well,
>=20
> Thanks
>=20
> AB
>=20
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw) =
<pwetterw@cisco.com <mailto:pwetterw@cisco.com>> wrote:
> Dear all,
>=20
> I support the work on DAO projection and would be willing to review =
it.
>=20
> This will bring value to a RPL based network.
>=20
> Many thanks,
>=20
> Patrick
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 12/08/16 08:49, "Roll on behalf of peter van der Stok" =
<roll-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of =
stokcons@xs4all.nl <mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>=20
> >Dear all,
> >
> >Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we would like to know your
> >opinion about the drafts, presented during IETF95 and IETF96. This =
the
> >last set of three messages. The adoption of drafts as WG drafts will
> >be asked independently dependent on the status of the draft.
> >
> >Please, do answer to the three messages before 2 September 2016.
> >
> >
> >  F: draft-thubert-roll-dao-projection-02
> >      Root initiated routing state in RPL
> >
> >=E2=80=A2    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?
> >=E2=80=A2    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in =
the draft ?
> >=E2=80=A2    Are you willing to review the draft ?
> >=E2=80=A2    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?
> >
> >
> >  G: draft-satish-roll-aodv-rpl-00
> >        Asymmetric AODV-P2P-RPL in Low-Power and Lossy Networks =
(LLNs)
> >
> >  =E2=80=A2    Is the draft relevant to the working group.?
> >  =E2=80=A2    Do you foresee to contribute to the work described in =
the draft ?
> >  =E2=80=A2    Are you willing to review the draft ?
> >  =E2=80=A2    Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?
> >
> >
> >It would be nice to know the reasons why you agree or disagree with =
the
> >drafts
> >
> >
> >Thank you very much,
> >
> >
> >  Peter and Ines
> >
> >
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">+1 on the&nbsp;draft-thubert-roll-dao-<wbr =
class=3D"">projection<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Allowing a centralized entity to =
install p2p routes between end-nodes is an interesting feature that can =
be very useful in real-time or very constrained networks among others. =
This could, among others, allow for a much richer path calculation in =
the PCE, otherwise be unfeasible by the end-nodes.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Best,</div><div =
class=3D"">Alexander</div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">Le =
31 ao=C3=BBt 2016 =C3=A0 09:50, Abdussalam Baryun &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:abdussalambaryun@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">abdussalambaryun@gmail.com</a>&gt; a =C3=A9crit :</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Yes, I support as well,</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">AB</div></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, =
Aug 25, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw) <span dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pwetterw@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">pwetterw@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br =
class=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear all,<br class=3D"">=

<br class=3D"">
I support the work on DAO projection and would be willing to review =
it.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
This will bring value to a RPL based network.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Many thanks,<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Patrick<br class=3D"">
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
On 12/08/16 08:49, "Roll on behalf of peter van der Stok" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org" class=3D"">roll-bounces@ietf.org</a>=
 on behalf of <a href=3D"mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl" =
class=3D"">stokcons@xs4all.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
&gt;Dear all,<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;Following the ROLL Meeting at IETF 96, we would like to know your<br =
class=3D"">
&gt;opinion about the drafts, presented during IETF95 and IETF96. This =
the<br class=3D"">
&gt;last set of three messages. The adoption of drafts as WG drafts =
will<br class=3D"">
&gt;be asked independently dependent on the status of the draft.<br =
class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;Please, do answer to the three messages before 2 September 2016.<br =
class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;&nbsp; F: draft-thubert-roll-dao-<wbr class=3D"">projection-02<br =
class=3D"">
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Root initiated routing state in RPL<br =
class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;=E2=80=A2&nbsp; &nbsp; Is the draft relevant to the working =
group.?<br class=3D"">
&gt;=E2=80=A2&nbsp; &nbsp; Do you foresee to contribute to the work =
described in the draft ?<br class=3D"">
&gt;=E2=80=A2&nbsp; &nbsp; Are you willing to review the draft ?<br =
class=3D"">
&gt;=E2=80=A2&nbsp; &nbsp; Should the draft be rejected by the WG ?<br =
class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;&nbsp; G: draft-satish-roll-aodv-rpl-00<br class=3D"">
&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Asymmetric AODV-P2P-RPL in Low-Power and =
Lossy Networks (LLNs)<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;&nbsp; =E2=80=A2&nbsp; &nbsp; Is the draft relevant to the working =
group.?<br class=3D"">
&gt;&nbsp; =E2=80=A2&nbsp; &nbsp; Do you foresee to contribute to the =
work described in the draft ?<br class=3D"">
&gt;&nbsp; =E2=80=A2&nbsp; &nbsp; Are you willing to review the draft =
?<br class=3D"">
&gt;&nbsp; =E2=80=A2&nbsp; &nbsp; Should the draft be rejected by the WG =
?<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;It would be nice to know the reasons why you agree or disagree with =
the<br class=3D"">
&gt;drafts<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;Thank you very much,<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;&nbsp; Peter and Ines<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt;_____________________________<wbr class=3D"">__________________<br =
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