From nobody Wed Oct 5 10:22:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5FE1293E1; Wed, 5 Oct 2016 10:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.34.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Sender: Message-ID: <147568816308.28187.3267445916322875248.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2016 10:22:43 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org, Michael Richardson , roll@ietf.org, draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] Last Call: (6LoWPAN Routing Header) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2016 17:22:43 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG (roll) to consider the following document: - '6LoWPAN Routing Header' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2016-10-19. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This specification introduces a new 6LoWPAN dispatch type for use in 6LoWPAN Route-Over topologies, that initially covers the needs of RPL (RFC6550) data packets compression. Using this dispatch type, this specification defines a method to compress RPL Option (RFC6553) information and Routing Header type 3 (RFC6554), an efficient IP-in- IP technique and is extensible for more applications. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. From nobody Thu Oct 6 11:33:25 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896BE12970F; Thu, 6 Oct 2016 11:33:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.34.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147577880455.23938.10523167862840473989.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2016 11:33:24 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami-15.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2016 18:33:24 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks of the IETF. Title : Applicability Statement for the Routing Protocol for Low Power and Lossy Networks (RPL) in AMI Networks Authors : Nancy Cam-Winget Jonathan Hui Daniel Popa Filename : draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami-15.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2016-10-06 Abstract: This document discusses the applicability of RPL in Advanced Metering Infrastructure (AMI) networks. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami-15 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami-15 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Tue, 11 Oct 2016 03:09:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.219.133 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 03:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.219.133 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 03:09:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Rahul Jadhav Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 12:09:59 +0200 Message-ID: To: roll@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ce70e435f49053e9414ff Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] DTSN increment X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:10:03 -0000 --001a113ce70e435f49053e9414ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi All, I have specific query regarding handling of DTSN increments. DTSN increments are handled differently in case of storing mode vs non-storing mode. 6550 states, " In a Non-Storing mode of operation, a DTSN increment will also cause the immediate children of a node to increment their DTSN in turn, triggering a set of DAO updates from the entire sub-DODAG. Typically, in a Non-Storing mode of operation, only the root would independently increment the DTSN when a DAO refresh is needed but a global repair (such as by incrementing DODAGVersionNumber) is not desired. Typically, in a Non-Storing mode of operation, all non-root nodes would increment their DTSN only when their parent(s) are observed to do so. " Based on this wordings, in non-storing mode, the DTSN update is controlled by the root only (having said that, the RFC does not mandate it). What i don't understand is, why DTSN increment is handled differently for storing and non-storing mode? Also when the DTSN is incremented by the child node, isn't it desired that DIO trickle timer is reseted, since otherwise the DIO (with incremented DTSN) may be sent out (very) late and thus DAO update may take huge time (depending upon where the trickle timer rests currently). Regards, Rahul --001a113ce70e435f49053e9414ff Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi All,

I have specific query regarding handling of DTSN increments.= DTSN increments are handled differently in case of storing mode vs non-sto= ring mode.

6550 states,
"
=C2=A0=C2=A0 In a Non-Storing mode of operation, a DTSN increment will also= cause
=C2=A0=C2=A0 the immediate children of a node to increment their DTSN in tu= rn,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 triggering a set of DAO updates from the entire sub-DODAG.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Typically, in a Non-Storing mode of operation, only the root w= ould
=C2=A0=C2=A0 independently increment the DTSN when a DAO refresh is needed = but a
=C2=A0=C2=A0 global repair (such as by incrementing DODAGVersionNumber) is = not
=C2=A0=C2=A0 desired.=C2=A0 Typically, in a Non-Storing mode of operation, = all non-root
=C2=A0=C2=A0 nodes would increment their DTSN only when their parent(s) are=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 observed to do so.
"

Based on this wordings, in non-storing mode, the DTSN update= is controlled by the root only (having said that, the RFC does not mandate= it).

What i don't understand is, why DTSN increment is handle= d differently for storing and non-storing mode?
Also when the DTSN is incremented by the child node, isn't it desired t= hat DIO trickle timer is reseted, since otherwise the DIO (with incremented= DTSN) may be sent out (very) late and thus DAO update may take huge time (= depending upon where the trickle timer rests currently).

Regards,
Rahul

--001a113ce70e435f49053e9414ff-- From nobody Tue Oct 11 04:54:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667D9129514 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 04:54:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UAGFrx4tqzh3 for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 04:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kaus.uberspace.de (kaus.uberspace.de [185.26.156.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9B9512952C for ; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 04:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23449 invoked from network); 11 Oct 2016 11:54:42 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by kaus.uberspace.de with SMTP; 11 Oct 2016 11:54:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 13:54:40 +0200 From: Cenk =?utf-8?B?R8O8bmRvxJ9hbg==?= To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <20161011115440.GA11997@cgundogan.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: roll@ietf.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.1 (2016-10-04) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] DTSN increment X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 11:54:50 -0000 --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Rahul, see my comments inline: On 16-10-11 12:09:59, Rahul Jadhav wrote: > Hi All, >=20 > I have specific query regarding handling of DTSN increments. DTSN > increments are handled differently in case of storing mode vs non-storing > mode. >=20 > 6550 states, > " > In a Non-Storing mode of operation, a DTSN increment will also cause > the immediate children of a node to increment their DTSN in turn, > triggering a set of DAO updates from the entire sub-DODAG. > Typically, in a Non-Storing mode of operation, only the root would > independently increment the DTSN when a DAO refresh is needed but a > global repair (such as by incrementing DODAGVersionNumber) is not > desired. Typically, in a Non-Storing mode of operation, all non-root > nodes would increment their DTSN only when their parent(s) are > observed to do so. > " >=20 > Based on this wordings, in non-storing mode, the DTSN update is controlled > by the root only (having said that, the RFC does not mandate it). >=20 > What i don't understand is, why DTSN increment is handled differently for > storing and non-storing mode? CG: My 2 cents .. In Non-Storing MOP, parents are absolutely oblivious to nodes in their sub-DODAG, while in Storing MOP parents maintain downward routes. So, if parents in Non-Storing MOP autonomously increment the DTSN, then DAOs will be forwarded to the root of the DODAG anyways, without actually affecting any parents in between (no FIB). This is why it makes sense (IMO) to limit the DTSN handling to the root node only. In Storing MOP however, parents can detect stale or otherwise erroneous routes, since they are maintained, and thus should be allowed to trigger DAOs from their sub-DODAG in order to repair improper routes. > Also when the DTSN is incremented by the child node, isn't it desired that > DIO trickle timer is reseted, since otherwise the DIO (with incremented > DTSN) may be sent out (very) late and thus DAO update may take huge time > (depending upon where the trickle timer rests currently). CG: This is a good hint, I couldn't find anything in the spec regarding this issue. I assume this is highly use case and implementation specific. If a use case demands an immediate update of the routes, then a one-shot DIO after deliberately changing the DTSN would make sense. At the same time, an implementation might also classify such a circumstance as an inconsistency, which then leads to a trickle timer reset. Other times, triggering DAOs might not be that urgent in consistent networks, so that the next DIO w/ new DTSN might as well be transmitted within the next trickle interval (hours, days ..). >=20 > Regards, > Rahul > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll Best, Cenk --=20 Cenk G=C3=BCndo=C4=9Fan Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Dept. of Computer Science / Internet Technologies Group Berliner Tor 7, 20099 Hamburg, Germany Fon: +49 40 42875 - 8426 Mail: cenk.guendogan@haw-hamburg.de Web: https://www.inet.haw-hamburg.de/ --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJX/NL9AAoJEKPbwvdE1ITSWS8QALytr5+hDKhJVcIkazu8KdzJ vUpZzPM6g87qKXyiNW3qhoSfJ1fWq+Qdq7afIUB7JdoKbnYuYuk62G+GUJPkgEeL 3ERUwWyzYl25tX1q+eAQm0z3OlyVPQtF0A5fll8i9Ew9VoA+ALWoNZKbPy94oyf6 pL60c+PpxSl0XBJnjq0GI2WhqG4YSwM/TmdpnR0A0F/nDLvhA2QyqB1prT4L1hkw 0JVcNgCVo+JhEotxFKk6F/cB/Nz53Uvbtg6nKI8Pp6o3JNqLhfQR3yglme1r3AYv G+cKs5vDdooEqkCyFbwYpYZWecJBtxBhC2oqK9/7ZRw7nlciuyQbGCxUtKsZR4wf +MUCJeRaZeW8l1eu//5y4z8nBzOvFBY+i49CnrICriE6BN4nrtLl3RgGe0wP92Nj D0/0lglCAxKdXDey9sysZVJTiaDfC3SZmSSGYUZwZCf4QR9TXKms3xE9aDH0pW2i pxHtjyotxhFkF/mNCq5lDWIoOruSPczLOaGQLlgcRw1K3hlGCH7lYhxyf89q64lD BENuGQDLSlpGiA1xizKNYqx+setnQmEMVtwcd7se7rDm7uNXwyjlXyZvetzA/YpZ db5M7l3LmS/ZrCBzrqo+Ub8GXMsPy/wdK4LLqgvv8d0DCxg5F0eHHxS1AcWepNEh W1UodZTOrBmluukDVmI7 =FT4y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7-- From nobody Tue Oct 11 10:34:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8E012965A for ; 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Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.5.7] ([119.82.120.223]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xv9sm5713578pab.36.2016.10.11.10.34.26 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Oct 2016 10:34:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Rahul Jadhav Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8ADB3201-B9AE-47A1-B18D-4668246DEA79" Message-Id: <43867654-44EF-4BD8-A99C-ED4648B1E9F9@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 23:06:35 +0530 References: <20161011115440.GA11997@cgundogan.localdomain> To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-Reply-To: <20161011115440.GA11997@cgundogan.localdomain> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] DTSN increment X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 17:34:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8ADB3201-B9AE-47A1-B18D-4668246DEA79 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks Cenk, Please find my replies inline. > On Oct 11, 2016, at 5:24 PM, Cenk G=C3=BCndo=C4=9Fan = wrote: >=20 > Hello Rahul, >=20 > see my comments inline: >=20 > On 16-10-11 12:09:59, Rahul Jadhav wrote: >> Hi All, >>=20 >> I have specific query regarding handling of DTSN increments. DTSN >> increments are handled differently in case of storing mode vs = non-storing >> mode. >>=20 >> 6550 states, >> " >> In a Non-Storing mode of operation, a DTSN increment will also = cause >> the immediate children of a node to increment their DTSN in turn, >> triggering a set of DAO updates from the entire sub-DODAG. >> Typically, in a Non-Storing mode of operation, only the root would >> independently increment the DTSN when a DAO refresh is needed but a >> global repair (such as by incrementing DODAGVersionNumber) is not >> desired. Typically, in a Non-Storing mode of operation, all = non-root >> nodes would increment their DTSN only when their parent(s) are >> observed to do so. >> " >>=20 >> Based on this wordings, in non-storing mode, the DTSN update is = controlled >> by the root only (having said that, the RFC does not mandate it). >>=20 >> What i don't understand is, why DTSN increment is handled differently = for >> storing and non-storing mode? >=20 > CG: My 2 cents .. > In Non-Storing MOP, parents are absolutely oblivious to nodes in their > sub-DODAG, while in Storing MOP parents maintain downward routes. >=20 > So, if parents in Non-Storing MOP autonomously increment the DTSN, = then DAOs > will be forwarded to the root of the DODAG anyways, without actually > affecting any parents in between (no FIB). This is why it makes sense = (IMO) > to limit the DTSN handling to the root node only. > In Storing MOP however, parents can detect stale or otherwise = erroneous > routes, since they are maintained, and thus should be allowed to > trigger DAOs from their sub-DODAG in order to repair improper routes. Yes, it makes sense. Another way to put it would be,=20 In storing-mode if a node switches parent, it may have to increment the = DTSN and request for the DAO updates from its sub-DODAG. In non-storing = mode this (DTSN incr) is not required since the node only needs to send = DAO on its own behalf and the route path realignment for the sub-DODAG = will be taken care of by root node.=20 Isn=E2=80=99t the cost of parent switch too high in case of storing mode = of operation? Is there any better way of achieving sub-DODAG route = update for this case?=20 >=20 >> Also when the DTSN is incremented by the child node, isn't it desired = that >> DIO trickle timer is reseted, since otherwise the DIO (with = incremented >> DTSN) may be sent out (very) late and thus DAO update may take huge = time >> (depending upon where the trickle timer rests currently). >=20 > CG: This is a good hint, I couldn't find anything in the spec = regarding this > issue. I assume this is highly use case and implementation specific. > If a use case demands an immediate update of the routes, then a = one-shot > DIO after deliberately changing the DTSN would make sense. At the same > time, an implementation might also classify such a circumstance as an > inconsistency, which then leads to a trickle timer reset. Other times, > triggering DAOs might not be that urgent in consistent networks, so = that > the next DIO w/ new DTSN might as well be transmitted within the next > trickle interval (hours, days ..). Triggering DAO might not be urgent but we can=E2=80=99t expect DAO = updates to happen after (say) hours of incrementing the DTSN (assuming = the only purpose of incrementing DTSN is to initiate DAO updates). one-shot DIO is very indeterministic and I m afraid if the details are = kept implementation specific then we may possibly have a = non-interoperable implementations. What if one implementation resets the = timer while others do not. I tried thinking of any use-case where we increment a DTSN and not reset = the trickle timer. Do you have any which can be used as an example? = Thanks. >=20 >>=20 >> Regards, >> Rahul >=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Roll mailing list >> Roll@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll = >=20 >=20 > Best, > Cenk >=20 > --=20 > Cenk G=C3=BCndo=C4=9Fan >=20 > Hamburg University of Applied Sciences > Dept. of Computer Science / Internet Technologies Group > Berliner Tor 7, 20099 Hamburg, Germany > Fon: +49 40 42875 - 8426 > Mail: cenk.guendogan@haw-hamburg.de = > Web: https://www.inet.haw-hamburg.de/ = > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll = --Apple-Mail=_8ADB3201-B9AE-47A1-B18D-4668246DEA79 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Thanks Cenk,

Please find my replies inline.


On Oct 11, 2016, at 5:24 PM, = Cenk G=C3=BCndo=C4=9Fan <list-ietf@cgundogan.de> wrote:

Hello Rahul,

see my comments inline:

On 16-10-11 12:09:59, Rahul Jadhav = wrote:
Hi = All,

I have specific query regarding = handling of DTSN increments. DTSN
increments are handled = differently in case of storing mode vs non-storing
mode.

6550 states,
"
  In a Non-Storing mode of operation, a DTSN = increment will also cause
  the immediate = children of a node to increment their DTSN in turn,
  triggering a set of DAO updates from the entire = sub-DODAG.
  Typically, in a Non-Storing mode of = operation, only the root would
  independently = increment the DTSN when a DAO refresh is needed but a
  global repair (such as by incrementing = DODAGVersionNumber) is not
  desired. =  Typically, in a Non-Storing mode of operation, all non-root
  nodes would increment their DTSN only when their = parent(s) are
  observed to do so.
"

Based on this wordings, in = non-storing mode, the DTSN update is controlled
by the = root only (having said that, the RFC does not mandate it).

What i don't understand is, why DTSN increment = is handled differently for
storing and non-storing = mode?

CG: My 2 cents ..
In Non-Storing MOP, parents are = absolutely oblivious to nodes in their
sub-DODAG, while in Storing MOP parents = maintain downward routes.

So, if parents in = Non-Storing MOP autonomously increment the DTSN, then DAOs
will be forwarded to the = root of the DODAG anyways, without actually
affecting any parents in = between (no FIB). This is why it makes sense (IMO)
to limit the DTSN handling = to the root node only.
In Storing MOP however, parents can detect stale = or otherwise erroneous
routes, since they are maintained, and thus = should be allowed to
trigger DAOs from their sub-DODAG in order to = repair improper routes.

Yes, it = makes sense. Another way to put it would be, 
In = storing-mode if a node switches parent, it may have to increment the = DTSN and request for the DAO updates from its sub-DODAG. In non-storing = mode this (DTSN incr) is not required since the node only needs to send = DAO on its own behalf and the route path realignment for the sub-DODAG = will be taken care of by root node. 
Isn=E2=80=99t the = cost of parent switch too high in case of storing mode of operation? Is = there any better way of achieving sub-DODAG route update for this = case? 


Also when = the DTSN is incremented by the child node, isn't it desired that
DIO trickle timer is reseted, since otherwise the DIO (with = incremented
DTSN) may be sent out (very) late and thus DAO = update may take huge time
(depending upon where the = trickle timer rests currently).

CG: This is a good hint, I = couldn't find anything in the spec regarding this
issue. I assume this is = highly use case and implementation specific.
If a use case demands an = immediate update of the routes, then a one-shot
DIO after deliberately = changing the DTSN would make sense. At the same
time, an implementation = might also classify such a circumstance as an
inconsistency, which then = leads to a trickle timer reset. Other times,
triggering DAOs might not = be that urgent in consistent networks, so that
the next DIO w/ new DTSN = might as well be transmitted within the next
trickle interval (hours, = days ..).

Triggering = DAO might not be urgent but we can=E2=80=99t expect DAO updates to = happen after (say) hours of incrementing the DTSN (assuming the only = purpose of incrementing DTSN is to initiate DAO updates).
one-shot = DIO is very indeterministic and I m afraid if the details are kept = implementation specific then we may possibly have a non-interoperable = implementations. What if one implementation resets the timer while = others do not.
I tried thinking of any use-case where we = increment a DTSN and not reset the trickle timer. Do you have any which = can be used as an example? Thanks.



Regards,
Rahul

_______________________________________________
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Best,
Cenk

-- 
Cenk G=C3=BCndo=C4=9Fan

Hamburg University of Applied = Sciences
Dept. of Computer Science / Internet = Technologies Group
Berliner Tor 7, 20099 Hamburg, Germany
Fon: +49 40 42875 - = 8426
Mail: cenk.guendogan@haw-hamburg.de
Web: https://www.inet.haw-hamburg.de/
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= --Apple-Mail=_8ADB3201-B9AE-47A1-B18D-4668246DEA79-- From nobody Fri Oct 14 02:23:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CDB51297CD for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2016 02:23:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id omDmFbj-WBD0 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2016 02:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lb3-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net (lb3-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net [194.109.24.31]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96DD012948A for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2016 02:23:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl ([194.109.20.215]) by smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net with ESMTP id vMP01t0094eRkWy01MP03B; Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:23:01 +0200 Received: from AMontpellier-654-1-151-202.w90-0.abo.wanadoo.fr ([90.0.222.202]) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:23:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 11:23:00 +0200 From: peter van der Stok To: Roll Organization: vanderstok consultancy Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: <147643678567.18532.12466361951784459745.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <147643678567.18532.12466361951784459745.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: <37e6a9887b3dce44845aa2a1e64e0df3@xs4all.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@xs4all.nl (8YwigFKJ1eQkFXRLtOfGvZ8ES9hQpd84) User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-vanderstok-roll-mpl-forw-select-01.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2016 09:23:06 -0000 Hi all, The algorithm in this new draft has been simulated; and works well. In some configurations the result is optimal (minimum number of forwarders chosen) I Seoul I hope to present some results. Peter A new version of I-D, draft-vanderstok-roll-mpl-forw-select-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Peter van der Stok and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-vanderstok-roll-mpl-forw-select Revision: 01 Title: MPL Forwarder Select (MPLFS) Document date: 2016-10-14 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 9 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vanderstok-roll-mpl-forw-select-01.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vanderstok-roll-mpl-forw-select/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vanderstok-roll-mpl-forw-select-01 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-vanderstok-roll-mpl-forw-select-01 Abstract: This document describes a Forwarder Selection (MPLFS) protocol for the Multicast Protocol for Low-Power and lossy Networks (MPL) to reduce the density of forwarders such that the number of forwarded messages is reduced. The protocol uses Trickle to distribute link- local information about the identity of the neighbours of the nodes that have MPL-enabled interfaces. In the end-state all nodes are connected to a minimum number, N_DUPLICATE, of forwarders, where N_DUPLICATE is application dependent, and there is a path between any two forwarders. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat From nobody Fri Oct 14 20:52:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E09129409; Fri, 14 Oct 2016 20:51:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cx6f0MTXijdm; Fri, 14 Oct 2016 20:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1B9E1293E1; Fri, 14 Oct 2016 20:51:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.201.11]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u9F3piuA027325; Sat, 15 Oct 2016 05:51:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nar-4.local (p5DC7E34C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.199.227.76]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3swrB83198z7xhl; Sat, 15 Oct 2016 05:51:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5801A81D.8080905@tzi.org> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 05:53:01 +0200 From: Carsten Bormann User-Agent: Postbox 4.0.8 (Macintosh/20151105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 6lo@ietf.org, 6tisch@ietf.org, lp-wan@ietf.org, lwip@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF97: DRAFT AGENDA X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2016 03:51:50 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the DRAFT AGENDA for IETF97. Remember that there is still quite some potential for changes. IoT is starting a bit late at IETF97; only two meetings of cluster WGs on Mon/Tue (but then of course we start big with the Sunday icnrg/t2trg joint meeting). CORE on HOMENET and IPWAVE (Wed) and CORE on ICNRG (Fri) are a bit painful but probably the unavoidable level of conflict. Moves due to other conflict avoidance may make this worse, though. All times are KST (UTC+0900) -- there is no DST in Korea, and DST will have ended in Europe and North America by then. (The browser timezone function still is not yet reinstated on https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc, for those who want to listen from remote.) Grüße, Carsten SUNDAY, November 13, 2016 1300-1600 IRTF*** icnrg+t2trg joint meeting MONDAY, November 14, 2016 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Studio 3 ART ice Interactive Connectivity Establishment WG Park BR 1 IRTF cfrg Crypto Forum Grand BR II OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II Grand BR III INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks WG Studio 3 RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG TUESDAY, November 15, 2016 0930-1200 Morning Session I Grand BR II INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Park BR 1 RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Grand BR I TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Park BR 1 ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Grand BR I RTG rtgarea Routing Area Open Meeting Studio 4 SEC tokbind Token Binding WG Grand BR III TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1550-1820 Afternoon Session II Grand BR II INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of Resource-constrained Nodes WG Park BR 1 SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG WEDNESDAY, November 16, 2016 0930-1100 Morning Session I Grand BR III OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach WG Grand BR II TSV taps Transport Services WG 1110-1210 Morning Session II Park BR 2 RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG Grand BR I TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I Studio 2 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Grand BR I INT homenet Home Networking WG Grand BR III INT ipwave IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG Studio 4 SEC acme Automated Certificate Management Environment WG Grand BR II TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting 1520-1620 Afternoon Session II Park BR 2 INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Park BR 1 IRTF*** t2trg Thing-to-Thing Studio 3 SEC curdle CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption WG THURSDAY, November 17, 2016 0930-1100 Morning Session I Park BR 1 INT *** 6tisch IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e WG Studio 4 INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service Discovery WG Grand BR II IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Grand BR I SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1110-1210 Morning Session II Park BR 1 ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Grand BR III INT *** lwig Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG Grand BR I SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I Studio 3 SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1520-1750 Afternoon Session II Studio 4 SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for Constrained Environments WG Studio 2 TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques WG FRIDAY, November 18, 2016 0930-1130 Morning Session I Studio 4 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Grand BR II IRTF icnrg Information-Centric Networking Park BR 1 OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach WG Park BR 2 TSV tcpinc TCP Increased Security WG 1150-1320 Afternoon Session I Studio 2 ART webpush Web-Based Push Notifications WG Park BR 1 RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Studio 4 SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG From nobody Wed Oct 19 07:53:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F8112968A; Wed, 19 Oct 2016 07:53:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.35.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147688883319.8824.7286497348909509451.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 07:53:53 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-02.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 14:53:53 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks of the IETF. Title : 6LoWPAN Routing Header Authors : Pascal Thubert Carsten Bormann Laurent Toutain Robert Cragie Filename : draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-02.txt Pages : 35 Date : 2016-10-19 Abstract: This specification introduces a new 6LoWPAN dispatch type for use in 6LoWPAN Route-Over topologies, that initially covers the needs of RPL (RFC6550) data packets compression. Using this dispatch type, this specification defines a method to compress RPL Option (RFC6553) information and Routing Header type 3 (RFC6554), an efficient IP-in- IP technique and is extensible for more applications. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Oct 21 07:24:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D518129438; Fri, 21 Oct 2016 07:24:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.35.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147705987350.23769.13838842947536679530.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 07:24:33 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-09.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 14:24:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks of the IETF. Title : When to use RFC 6553, 6554 and IPv6-in-IPv6 Authors : Maria Ines Robles Michael C. Richardson Pascal Thubert Filename : draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-09.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2016-10-21 Abstract: This document looks at different data flows through LLN (Low-Power and Lossy Networks) where RPL (IPv6 Routing Protocol for Low-Power and Lossy Networks) is used to establish routing. The document enumerates the cases where RFC 6553, RFC 6554 and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation is required. This analysis provides the basis on which to design efficient compression of these headers. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Oct 21 16:24:54 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64885129893; Fri, 21 Oct 2016 16:21:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.36.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147709207340.28214.5913975263590725280.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 16:21:13 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] roll - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 97 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2016 23:21:13 -0000 Dear Ines Robles, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. roll Session 1 (1:00:00) Wednesday, Morning Session II 1110-1210 Room Name: Park Ballroom 2 size: 125 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Ines Robles Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: 6lo core 6tisch t2trg Second Priority: rtgarea ace anima Third Priority: pce manet rtgwg lwig intarea Special Requests: Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: 6lo core 6tisch t2trg Second Priority: rtgarea ace anima Third Priority: pce manet rtgwg lwig intarea --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Sat Oct 22 01:55:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346C012952A; Sat, 22 Oct 2016 01:55:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Go0NO_RKnJCU; Sat, 22 Oct 2016 01:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E7E11294B9; Sat, 22 Oct 2016 01:55:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.201.11]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u9M8tWwt013783; Sat, 22 Oct 2016 10:55:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from client-0074.vpn.uni-bremen.de.mail (client-0074.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.107.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3t1GbN00xwz7xRC; Sat, 22 Oct 2016 10:55:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 10:41:01 +0200 From: Carsten Bormann To: 6lo@ietf.org, lp-wan@ietf.org, lwip@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org, 6tisch@ietf.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Airmail (390) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF97: FINAL AGENDA X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 08:55:39 -0000 Constrained Node/Network Cluster =40 IET=4697: =46INAL AGENDA To: 6lo=40ietf.org, 6tisch=40ietf.org, lp-wan=40ietf.org, lwip=40ietf.org= , roll=40ietf.org To: ace=40ietf.org, core=40ietf.org, cose=40ietf.org, dtls-iot=40ietf.org= , t2trg=40irtf.org Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the =22=46INAL=22 AGE= NDA for IET=4697. =C2=A0(=22=46INAL=22 historically has not always been =22fi= nal=22...) Not many changes; TOKBIND, OAUTH, CURDLE moved around, and the big clashing cluster on =46riday morning has become bigger with another TLS session. =C2=A0(I previously wrote: IoT is starting a bit late at IET=469= 7; only two meetings of cluster WGs on Mon/Tue (but then of course we start big with the Sunday icnrg/t2trg joint meeting). =C2=A0CORE on HOMEN= ET and IPWAVE (Wed) and CORE on ICNRG (=46ri) are a bit painful but probably the unavoidable level of conflict.) All times are KST (UTC+0900) -- there is no DST in Korea, and DST will have ended in Europe and North America by then. (The browser timezone function still is not yet reinstated on https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc, for those who want to listen from remote.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten SUNDAY, November 13, 2016 1300-1600 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 IRT=46*** icnrg+t2trg joint meeting MONDAY, November 14, 2016 0930-1200 =C2=A0Morning Session I Grand BR 2 ART dispatch Dispatch WG - 09:30-11:00 Studio 3 SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1330-1530 =C2=A0Afternoon Session I Studio 3 ART ice Interactive Connectivity Establishment WG Park BR 1 IRT=46 cfrg Crypto =46orum Grand BR 2 OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG 1550-1750 =C2=A0Afternoon Session II Grand BR 2 INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks WG Studio 3 RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Studio 4 SEC tokbind Token Binding WG TUESDAY, November 15, 2016 0930-1200 =C2=A0Morning Session I Grand BR 2 INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Park BR 1 RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Grand BR 1 TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1530 =C2=A0Afternoon Session I Park BR 2 ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Grand BR 2 RTG rtgarea Routing Area Open Meeting Park BR 1 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1550-1820 =C2=A0Afternoon Session II Grand BR 2 INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of Resource-constrained Nodes W= G Park BR 1 SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG WEDNESDAY, November 16, 2016 0930-1100 =C2=A0Morning Session I Grand BR 3 OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach W= G Grand BR 2 TSV taps Transport Services WG 1110-1210 =C2=A0Morning Session II Park BR 2 RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG Grand BR 1 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1330-1500 =C2=A0Afternoon Session I Studio 2 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Grand BR 1 INT homenet Home Networking WG Grand BR 3 INT ipwave IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG Studio 4 SEC acme Automated Certificate Management Environment WG Grand BR 2 TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting 1520-1620 =C2=A0Afternoon Session II Park BR 2 INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Park BR 1 IRT=46*** t2trg Thing-to-Thing Studio 3 SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG THURSDAY, November 17, 2016 0930-1100 =C2=A0Morning Session I Park BR 1 INT *** 6tisch IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE 802.15.4e WG Studio 4 INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service Discovery =C2=A0WG= Grand BR 2 IRT=46 maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Grand BR 1 SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1110-1210 =C2=A0Morning Session II Park BR 1 ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Grand BR 3 INT *** lwig Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG Grand BR 1 SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1520-1750 =C2=A0Afternoon Session II Studio 4 SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for Constrained Env= ironments WG Studio 3 TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance Techniques WG =46RIDAY, November 18, 2016 0930-1130 =C2=A0Morning Session I Studio 2 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Grand BR 3 IRT=46 icnrg Information-Centric Networking Park BR 2 OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach WG= Grand BR 2 SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Studio 4 TSV tcpinc TCP Increased Security WG 1150-1320 =C2=A0Afternoon Session I Studio 2 ART webpush Web-Based Push Notifications WG Studio 4 ART webpush Web-Based Push Notifications WG Park BR 2 RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Park BR 1 RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Studio 3 SEC curdle CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption WG From nobody Mon Oct 24 00:10:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500B712950F for ; 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It was changed to Standard Track, updating RFC 6550. Any comments are welcome. Thanks, The authors. 2016-10-21 23:24 GMT+09:00 : > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > of the IETF. > > Title : When to use RFC 6553, 6554 and IPv6-in-IPv6 > Authors : Maria Ines Robles > Michael C. Richardson > Pascal Thubert > Filename : draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-09.txt > Pages : 34 > Date : 2016-10-21 > > Abstract: > This document looks at different data flows through LLN (Low-Power > and Lossy Networks) where RPL (IPv6 Routing Protocol for Low-Power > and Lossy Networks) is used to establish routing. The document > enumerates the cases where RFC 6553, RFC 6554 and IPv6-in-IPv6 > encapsulation is required. This analysis provides the basis on which > to design efficient compression of these headers. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-09 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-09 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --001a113d6e9214399c053f9717a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,=C2=A0

A new version was submi= tted. It was changed to Standard Track, updating RFC 6550.

Any comments are welcome.

Thanks,=C2=A0

The authors.

2016-10-21 23:24 GMT+09:00 <= internet-draf= ts@ietf.org>:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks = of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= When to use RFC 6553, 6554 and IPv6-in-IPv6
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Mari= a Ines Robles
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Michael C. Richardson
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pascal Thubert
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-roll-useofrplinfo-09.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 34
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2016-10-21

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document looks at different data flows through LLN (Low-P= ower
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and Lossy Networks) where RPL (IPv6 Routing Protocol for Low-P= ower
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and Lossy Networks) is used to establish routing.=C2=A0 The do= cument
=C2=A0 =C2=A0enumerates the cases where RFC 6553, RFC 6554 and IPv6-in-IPv6=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0encapsulation is required.=C2=A0 This analysis provides the ba= sis on which
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to design efficient compression of these headers.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/= draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ie= tf-roll-useofrplinfo-09

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-09


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
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--001a113d6e9214399c053f9717a6-- From nobody Mon Oct 24 00:36:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F002E129471 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 00:36:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.703 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.703 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FZDfM8VsJcNs for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 00:36:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net [194.109.24.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1C5E128E18 for ; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 00:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl ([194.109.20.200]) by smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net with ESMTP id zKcV1t0094K0fSy01KcVRJ; Mon, 24 Oct 2016 09:36:29 +0200 Received: from AMontpellier-654-1-252-44.w92-133.abo.wanadoo.fr ([92.133.143.44]) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Mon, 24 Oct 2016 09:36:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 09:36:29 +0200 From: peter van der Stok To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Organization: vanderstok consultancy Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: References: <147705987350.23769.13838842947536679530.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: X-Sender: stokcons@xs4all.nl (7KFJGMJcuEPMc/SOG8PXbqXL4GAChkpr) User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail Archived-At: Cc: Ines Robles , ralph droms Subject: [Roll] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-09.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 07:36:34 -0000 Dear all. A new version of draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo is submitted . This latest version contains the results of all discussions that took place on the mailing list. This message constitutes the Working Group Last Cal (WGLC) for this draft before submission to IESG. This call ends at Sunday 13 November. Given the past discussions, I encourage everybody to have a close look at this draft, to make sure that all possible misunderstandings have been removed. Greetings, Peter From nobody Tue Oct 25 01:22:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11179129465; Tue, 25 Oct 2016 01:22:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.36.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147738373306.15198.9701176612244328145.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 01:22:13 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-03.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 08:22:13 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks of the IETF. Title : 6LoWPAN Routing Header Authors : Pascal Thubert Carsten Bormann Laurent Toutain Robert Cragie Filename : draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-03.txt Pages : 36 Date : 2016-10-25 Abstract: This specification introduces a new 6LoWPAN dispatch type for use in 6LoWPAN Route-Over topologies, that initially covers the needs of RPL (RFC6550) data packets compression. Using this dispatch type, this specification defines a method to compress RPL Option (RFC6553) information and Routing Header type 3 (RFC6554), an efficient IP-in- IP technique and is extensible for more applications. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Oct 25 20:39:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73CAB1293DF; Tue, 25 Oct 2016 20:39:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Spencer Dawkins" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.36.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147745319246.29259.2342833266178316799.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 20:39:52 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org, draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch@ietf.org, mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca Subject: [Roll] Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-03: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 03:39:52 -0000 Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-03: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In figure 2, I'm a bit confused on what the third-from-the-left vertical line represents - is it also IPv6 in IPv6 plus RPL SRH, or something else? 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charset=UTF-8 Hi, Pascal, Thanks for the quick response. Inline. On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:37 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > Hello Spencer, > > The 2 shorter arrows, left and right, represent the encapsulation tunnel. > Now that you've said that, I totally get it, but I didn't get that from the picture at all. > Would you have a suggestion to improve the readability? Maybe :-) I lengthened the native IPv6 arrow and used different endpoints for the tunnel, hyphenated "IPv6-in-IPv6, and included "tunneled using" in the label (I probably didn't use the right words, but you'd know what is correct). ------+--------- ^ | Internet | | | Native IPv6 +-----+ | | | Border Router (RPL Root) + | + | | | | | +-----+ | | | tunneled | | | | using o o o o | | | IPv6-in- o o o o o o o o o | | | IPv6 and o o o o o o o o o o | | | RPL SRH o o o o o o o o o | | | o o o o o o o o + | + o o o o | LLN v If this helps you folks, please use it (and if it doesn't, please don't!) Thanks, Spencer the AD, where "A" may or may not stand for "ASCII-artist" ... > Take care, > > Pascal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com] > Sent: mercredi 26 octobre 2016 05:40 > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch@ietf.org; Alvaro Retana (aretana) < > aretana@cisco.com>; Michael Richardson ; > roll-chairs@ietf.org; mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca; roll@ietf.org > Subject: Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-03: > (with COMMENT) > > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-03: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > In figure 2, I'm a bit confused on what the third-from-the-left vertical > line represents - is it also IPv6 in IPv6 plus RPL SRH, or something else? > > > --001a113fc4b4d0e74a053fc565b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi, Pascal,

Thanks for the quick respon= se. Inline.

= On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:37 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisc= o.com> wrote:
Hello Spencer,

The 2 shorter arrows, left and right, represent the encapsulation tunnel.

Now that you've said that, I totally= get it, but I didn't get that from the picture at all.
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Would you have a suggestion to improve the readability?
Maybe :-)

I lengthened the native IPv= 6 arrow and used different endpoints for the tunnel, hyphenated "IPv6-= in-IPv6, and included "tunneled using" in the label (I probably d= idn't use the right words, but you'd know what is correct).

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0| Native IPv6
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Thanks,

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Take care= ,

Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com]
Sent: mercredi 26 octobre 2016 05:40
To: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
Cc: draft-ietf= -roll-routing-dispatch@ietf.org; Alvaro Retana (aretana) <aretana@cisco.com>; Michael Richards= on <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca= >; roll-chairs@ietf.org; mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca; roll@ietf.org
Subject: Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-routing-= dispatch-03: (with COMMENT)

Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-03: No Objection

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Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/<= wbr>statement/discuss-criteria.html
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The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
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COMMENT:
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In figure 2, I'm a bit confused on what the third-from-the-left vertica= l line represents - is it also IPv6 in IPv6 plus RPL SRH, or something else= ?



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I love it Spencer : ) > > > > I suggest a slight adaptation to show that with the current specs, the > device is the endpoint for the tunnel and the destination of inner packet > as well. > > > > > > ------+--------- ^ > > | Internet | > > | | Native IPv6 > > +-----+ | > > | | Border Router (RPL Root) + | + > > | | | | | > > +-----+ | | | tunneled > > | | | | using > > o o o o | | | IPv6-in- > > o o o o o o o o o | | | IPv6 and > > o o o o o o o o o o | | | RPL SRH > > o o o o o o o o o | | | > > o o o o o o o o | | | > > o o o o + v + > > LLN > > > > > > Works ? > I knew you could fix the stuff I got wrong :D ... Works for me! > Pascal > > > > *From:* Spencer Dawkins at IETF [mailto:spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com] > *Sent:* mercredi 26 octobre 2016 16:26 > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > *Cc:* The IESG ; roll-chairs@ietf.org; Alvaro Retana > (aretana) ; roll@ietf.org; draft-ietf-roll-routing- > dispatch@ietf.org; mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca > *Subject:* Re: Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-03: > (with COMMENT) > > > > Hi, Pascal, > > > > Thanks for the quick response. Inline. > > > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:37 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < > pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > > Hello Spencer, > > The 2 shorter arrows, left and right, represent the encapsulation tunnel. > > > > Now that you've said that, I totally get it, but I didn't get that from > the picture at all. > > > > Would you have a suggestion to improve the readability? > > > > Maybe :-) > > > > I lengthened the native IPv6 arrow and used different endpoints for the > tunnel, hyphenated "IPv6-in-IPv6, and included "tunneled using" in the > label (I probably didn't use the right words, but you'd know what is > correct). > > > > ------+--------- ^ > > | Internet | > > | | Native IPv6 > > +-----+ | > > | | Border Router (RPL Root) + | + > > | | | | | > > +-----+ | | | tunneled > > | | | | using > > o o o o | | | IPv6-in- > > o o o o o o o o o | | | IPv6 and > > o o o o o o o o o o | | | RPL SRH > > o o o o o o o o o | | | > > o o o o o o o o + | + > > o o o o | > > LLN v > > > > If this helps you folks, please use it (and if it doesn't, please don't!) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Spencer the AD, where "A" may or may not stand for "ASCII-artist" ... > > > > Take care, > > Pascal > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com] > Sent: mercredi 26 octobre 2016 05:40 > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch@ietf.org; Alvaro Retana (aretana) < > aretana@cisco.com>; Michael Richardson ; > roll-chairs@ietf.org; mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca; roll@ietf.org > Subject: Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-03: > (with COMMENT) > > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-03: No Objection > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > In figure 2, I'm a bit confused on what the third-from-the-left vertical > line represents - is it also IPv6 in IPv6 plus RPL SRH, or something else? > > > --001a113fc4b42c63c9053fc6e502 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 | | | using

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Works=C2=A0?


I knew you could fix the stuff I= got wrong :D ...

Works for me!
=C2=A0

Pascal

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From: S= pencer Dawkins at IETF [mailto:spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com]
Sent: mercredi 26 octobre 2016 16:26
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
Cc: The IESG <= iesg@ietf.org>; roll-chairs@ietf.org; Alvaro Retana (aretana) <aretana@cisco.com>; roll@ietf.org; draft-ie= tf-roll-routing-dispatch@ietf.org; mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca
Subject: Re: Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-ro= uting-dispatch-03: (with COMMENT)

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Hi, Pascal,

=C2=A0

Thanks for the quick re= sponse. Inline.

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On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at= 4:37 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

Hello Spencer,

The 2 shorter arrows, left and right, represent the encapsulation tunnel.

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Now that you've sai= d that, I totally get it, but I didn't get that from the picture at all= .

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Would you have a sugges= tion to improve the readability?

=C2=A0

Maybe :-)=

=C2=A0

I lengthened the native= IPv6 arrow and used different endpoints for the tunnel, hyphenated "I= Pv6-in-IPv6, and included "tunneled using" in the label (I probab= ly didn't use the right words, but you'd know what is correct).

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0| Native IPv6=

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-----+ =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 | Border Router (RPL Root) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+ | +

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | | |

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-----+ =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | | | tunneled

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0| =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0| | | using

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o =C2=A0 =C2=A0o = =C2=A0 o =C2=A0 =C2=A0o =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0| | | IPv6-in-

=C2=A0 =C2=A0o o =C2=A0 o =C2=A0o =C2=A0 o =C2= =A0o =C2=A0o o =C2=A0 o =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | | | IPv6 and

=C2=A0 o =C2=A0o o =C2=A0o o =C2=A0 =C2=A0o = =C2=A0 o =C2=A0 o =C2=A0o =C2=A0o =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0| | | RPL SRH

=C2=A0 o =C2=A0 o =C2=A0 =C2=A0o =C2=A0o =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 o =C2=A0o =C2=A0 =C2=A0o =C2=A0o =C2=A0o =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | | |

=C2=A0o =C2=A0o =C2=A0 o =C2=A0o =C2=A0 o =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o =C2=A0 o o =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+ | +

=C2=A0o =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0o = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o =C2=A0 =C2=A0 o =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0LLN =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0v<= /p>

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If this helps you folks= , please use it (and if it doesn't, please don't!)

=C2=A0

Thanks,

=C2=A0

Spencer the AD, where &= quot;A" may or may not stand for "ASCII-artist" ...

=C2=A0

Take care,

Pascal


-----Original Message-----
From: Spencer Dawkins [mailto:spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com]
Sent: mercredi 26 octobre 2016 05:40
To: The IESG <iesg@ie= tf.org>
Cc: draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch@ietf.org; Alvaro Retana (= aretana) <aretana= @cisco.com>; Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>; roll-chairs@ietf.= org; mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca; roll@ietf.org
Subject: Spencer Dawkins' No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-routing-= dispatch-03: (with COMMENT)

Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-03: No Objection

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email= addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introduc= tory paragraph, however.)


Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html
for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.


The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll= -routing-dispatch/



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COMMENT:
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In figure 2, I'm a bit confused on what the third-from-the-left vertica= l line represents - is it also IPv6 in IPv6 plus RPL SRH, or something else= ?

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7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.36.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147757089807.24582.7167457685094328712.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 05:21:38 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-05.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:21:38 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks of the IETF. Title : 6LoWPAN Routing Header Authors : Pascal Thubert Carsten Bormann Laurent Toutain Robert Cragie Filename : draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-05.txt Pages : 36 Date : 2016-10-27 Abstract: This specification introduces a new 6LoWPAN dispatch type for use in 6LoWPAN Route-Over topologies, that initially covers the needs of RPL (RFC6550) data packets compression. Using this dispatch type, this specification defines a method to compress RPL Option (RFC6553) information and Routing Header type 3 (RFC6554), an efficient IP-in- IP technique and is extensible for more applications. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Oct 27 06:04:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AFCE12961E; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 06:04:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Benoit Claise" To: "The IESG" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.36.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147757345310.24643.15106494576624239637.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 06:04:13 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org, mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca, roll@ietf.org, draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch@ietf.org, mjethanandani@gmail.com Subject: [Roll] Benoit Claise's No Objection on draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-05: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 13:04:13 -0000 Benoit Claise has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I enjoyed the introduction (*) and the management section. (*) as the writeup says: generous (5 page) introduction appropriate for a reader who is unfamiliar with the why). From nobody Thu Oct 27 14:45:40 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A315612996E; Thu, 27 Oct 2016 14:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.36.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147760473266.24594.16640249493367530378.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 14:45:32 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org, mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca, roll@ietf.org, draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami@ietf.org, The IESG , rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [Roll] Protocol Action: 'Applicability Statement for the Routing Protocol for Low Power and Lossy Networks (RPL) in AMI Networks' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami-15.txt) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2016 21:45:33 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Applicability Statement for the Routing Protocol for Low Power and Lossy Networks (RPL) in AMI Networks' (draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami-15.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-applicability-ami/ Technical Summary This document discusses the applicability of RPL in Advanced Metering Infrastructure (AMI) networks. Working Group Summary The applicability statement series from the ROLL WG tends to involve small subsets of the WG, as there are typically few members of the WG who are involved in a specific industry. The industries represented by this document are new to the IETF process; the document has taken a long time to be produced and reviewed by the industry involved as this industry is used to closed proprietary verticals, is not used to collaborating (in public) with competitors. The move to a new document editor was required to close certain issues, and finalize the document. Document Quality While in some cases applicability statements in other WG have been published as BCP or Informational, the applicability statements from the ROLL WG are in essence industry specific profiles of IETF Standards. Standards Track is appropriate for these specifications; they are intended to be used as part of procurement and compliance work. Personnel The document shepherd Michael Richardson. The responsible AD is Alvaro Retana. From nobody Mon Oct 31 02:20:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FC8129599 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 02:20:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iD_fidVogfKn for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 02:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lb1-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net (lb1-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net [194.109.24.24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 621AB129593 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 02:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl ([194.109.20.203]) by smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net with ESMTP id 29LQ1u0084NtgTm019LQeZ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 10:20:24 +0100 Received: from AMontpellier-654-1-191-199.w92-145.abo.wanadoo.fr ([92.145.170.199]) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Mon, 31 Oct 2016 10:20:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 10:20:24 +0100 From: peter van der Stok To: Roll Organization: vanderstok consultancy Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Message-ID: <50b219dbcd708aa7fa17a9629fe7fa22@xs4all.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@xs4all.nl (xIoaVK9Pg+YjdTXbmTwynvKkAMiuCKTC) User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Roll agenda X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 09:20:30 -0000 Dear roll, The agenda for IETF97 has been uploaded. The presenters are kindly invited to send their slides in PDF to Ines and me. Before 12 November Many thanks Peter and Ines -- Peter van der Stok vanderstok consultancy mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org www: www.vanderstok.org tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 From nobody Mon Oct 31 03:56:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BA7129698 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 03:56:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.621 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IufMOvfr2JE7 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 03:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lb2-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net (lb2-smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net [194.109.24.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1CC112965F for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 03:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl ([194.109.20.203]) by smtp-cloud6.xs4all.net with ESMTP id 2Awd1u00J4NtgTm01Awd2D; Mon, 31 Oct 2016 11:56:37 +0100 Received: from AMontpellier-654-1-191-199.w92-145.abo.wanadoo.fr ([92.145.170.199]) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Mon, 31 Oct 2016 11:56:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 11:56:37 +0100 From: peter van der Stok To: Roll Organization: vanderstok consultancy Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Message-ID: <349b85841b01b9e956247488c6b6a8e3@xs4all.nl> X-Sender: stokcons@xs4all.nl (8Pkuy38s296CUq8nyFvQDrud0nv9GWGy) User-Agent: XS4ALL Webmail Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] ROLL remote presentation X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 10:56:42 -0000 Dear presenters, When you want to present remotely, you are asked to make this known before 11/11/2016. 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