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X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 13:53:09 -0000 Hi, I have now reviewed the discussion on this topic. It is not my preference to make this change but I don't see a reason preventing one to make the change. I also think option 1, is the best one. However, I do hope that people correctly understands the implication this has. In cases when an WebRTC endpoint not supporting non RTCP mux talks to a non-WebRTC endpoint using a gateway and that endpoint does not support RTCP mux, there are the potential need for translation of RTP payload type numbers. If that translation occurs it MUST be stressed that it may not only be RTP that needs to be translated, also RTCP. This translation needs to occur in the gateway, thus pushing the complexity onto this entity. There exist two RTCP feedback messages that I am aware of that contains payload type numbers: - Reference Picture Selection Indication (RPSI) [RFC4585] - H.271 Video Back Channel Message (VBCM) [RFC5104] Please note that RPSI is part of the discussed RTCP feedback messages in draft-ietf-rtcweb-rtp-usage. There may be created new things in the future that also include PT. If that occurs this gateway could be a barrier preventing usage. Yes, I know that would be only for cases where both the WebRTC and the non-WebRTC support that new message type. Thus, I assume the WG chairs can declare consensus on this change. Cheers Magnus Westerlund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Services, Media and Network features, Ericsson Research EAB/TXM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden | mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Thu Sep 3 10:20:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2741B462D for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:20:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -114.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-114.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1_umVK7WokgG for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-5.cisco.com (alln-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.142.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 429C31B45B8 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:20:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=471; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1441300821; x=1442510421; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=KPsYCnOnhhJIcQwJlFJXtIufy0R8zCYS6WRAYS1KGRU=; b=eGldyd8JUZUjD4QmXRxUbuhGChFKu3xmyyvowvcC7I7RIgD94pXb+tqi AbNTk2WZeWdXRm6Nwm8yQu9D7rRQJ5l3OnSYEcy2KhFOr6/FUbvGKike1 hoCb/V3TXdNS/wL4S5hnl2BC2K7iyROEL+pyQrQ/O+qpbMSy7mos7RHAC 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CBAgAkgOhV/5ldJa1dgxuBPQa9UwEJh3ICgTk4FAEBAQEBAQGBCoQjAQEBAwE6PwULAgEIDgoeEDIlAgQOBYgmCMwOAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBF4kCgmyEWDMHgxiBFAEElVEBjHaabyaCEByBVHGIR4EFAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.17,463,1437436800"; d="scan'208";a="184750771" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by alln-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Sep 2015 17:20:20 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-014.cisco.com (xch-rcd-014.cisco.com [173.37.102.24]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t83HKJ00027881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 3 Sep 2015 17:20:19 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-014.cisco.com (173.37.102.24) by XCH-RCD-014.cisco.com (173.37.102.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 12:20:18 -0500 Received: from xhc-aln-x10.cisco.com (173.36.12.84) by xch-rcd-014.cisco.com (173.37.102.24) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 12:20:18 -0500 Received: from xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com ([169.254.5.3]) by xhc-aln-x10.cisco.com ([173.36.12.84]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 12:20:18 -0500 From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" To: Peter Thatcher Thread-Topic: [rtcweb] Do we have consensus on not requiring rtcp-non-mux? Thread-Index: AQHQ5mzOda8Y+k9hqUOc9IERKdG+Vg== Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 17:20:18 +0000 Message-ID: <95C771F1-C7F0-43B5-B9BA-FD3B274768D7@cisco.com> References: <55D03AC6.4080100@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [173.37.102.26] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <10D62DF07559F24F889059A3E5D5877F@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "" Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Do we have consensus on not requiring rtcp-non-mux? X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:20:23 -0000 > On Aug 17, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Peter Thatcher wrote: >=20 > 2. At IETF 93, Cullen said he looked into it thoroughly and found that e= very endpoint that he could find that can speak DTLS can also speak RTCP-mu= x. Note that was about endpoints and did not include gateways and was said in = the context of what we should do for the next version of ICE which will be = years from deployment across devices from lots of manufactures.=20 From nobody Thu Sep 3 10:26:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1130C1B366A for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:26:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bvTltsHYEIxP for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com (mail-wi0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48DC91B3354 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wiclk2 with SMTP id lk2so6294893wic.0 for ; Thu, 03 Sep 2015 10:26:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=12T23hZ0ThxgmwAL+4zwsKjqRvDi7SgH+bCKO4/QFFY=; b=LCze/DBkrGWPxE9icFgeqNBwXz3rkRkaIlSGMKd/sIIFvuzL6hd0s3EugQp0avQI6n D7Ikfajpz9u6kHZbl5TXR0ZLdj8S2h5QLf9IE9X7vPNSVx9UVxZc8fl8Q+zySNjWDeHz Svbu6pyyjswX3YzJ1mNhIlckoieuZ1h58h4xtU7493HXB89IXJ5siWOo6MLS3pysZh/+ tMM1jZKXC+SdyzShGu55naf0Zg2A8F2ZswDyQt9GBUisIgAVOWURgHk9fKxqMMZHNgT/ fsKMoH9vbt70sZW56jV5fh3f08mW+D8VPy9FBg1C42YTXnjUzZrXF0X2E2eovQe9CAfU cHlg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlLrOcB/oI98JPpLI04iDxO03UsFDueqYb+c2LIRJvMUbA4U2vBEUFDZygAH3QkfWpaJYQz X-Received: by 10.194.109.7 with SMTP id ho7mr1964607wjb.81.1441301179713; Thu, 03 Sep 2015 10:26:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.27.79.200 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:25:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <95C771F1-C7F0-43B5-B9BA-FD3B274768D7@cisco.com> References: <55D03AC6.4080100@ericsson.com> <95C771F1-C7F0-43B5-B9BA-FD3B274768D7@cisco.com> From: Eric Rescorla Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 10:25:40 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf198d8d4e4ba051edb14b8 Archived-At: Cc: "" Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Do we have consensus on not requiring rtcp-non-mux? X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:26:23 -0000 --047d7bf198d8d4e4ba051edb14b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'm now pretty confused. What's useful in the near term is to remove rtcpmux from the existing ICE stacks with existing ICE. If we're not going to do that, then I don't see a lot of value discussing this. -Ekr On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Cullen Jennings (fluffy) wrote: > > > On Aug 17, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Peter Thatcher > wrote: > > > > 2. At IETF 93, Cullen said he looked into it thoroughly and found that > every endpoint that he could find that can speak DTLS can also speak > RTCP-mux. > > Note that was about endpoints and did not include gateways and was said in > the context of what we should do for the next version of ICE which will be > years from deployment across devices from lots of manufactures. > > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > --047d7bf198d8d4e4ba051edb14b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm now pretty confused.

What's= useful in the near term is to remove rtcpmux from the existing
I= CE stacks with existing ICE. If we're not going to do that, then I
don't see a lot of value discussing this.

-Ekr


On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Cullen Jennings (fluffy) = <fluffy@cisco.com> wrote:
<= span class=3D"">
> On Aug 17, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Peter Thatcher <pthatcher@google.com> wrote:
>
> 2.=C2=A0 At IETF 93, Cullen said he looked into it thoroughly and foun= d that every endpoint that he could find that can speak DTLS can also speak= RTCP-mux.

Note that was about endpoints and did not include gateways and was s= aid in the context of what we should do for the next version of ICE which w= ill be years from deployment across devices from lots of manufactures.


_______________________________________________
rtcweb mailing list
rtcweb@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb

--047d7bf198d8d4e4ba051edb14b8-- From nobody Thu Sep 3 11:45:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338B11B2D36 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:45:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KXbuRibD4jwv for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yk0-x235.google.com (mail-yk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B19991A005B for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ykcf206 with SMTP id f206so52862483ykc.3 for ; Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:45:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=pqdWjK9KjTNhyXfaXdRYpdAc6G4UloC9uP4tAzamKk8=; b=STKP+wsmVD0zl556vwp0/Gv2SoNcXurnAy5XuqyqbhE1AdtrQpFsV/H0Tga/j4VzvI xQQvA7tB+ZTU/pJwe/8Vk1H0crc2w3gqvBrush0nuCkOZNJfQdlkzUg0Cpn7sKqqOpm+ wYBJVxn5dg+zgpbeQbXCZCKxONUhoozwwysJgmnFTOYNl4j9CUeDWr9dN/wwlrXWmbMG xOpRpfUoHs7Bhs0UEKdrP5aoQhHGjzdM2Hj3Rl0nVSAGSFCVbbYwVMrCIXNnWTRD3oBV WVaxvaj2rvdvkSqmhQLMQX4d8ls+4cK5EX0BHK7JnpR3+89rcGrMNQy+VMYFn45XIZFr lS+A== X-Received: by 10.129.104.132 with SMTP id d126mr41030990ywc.158.1441305952876; Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:45:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.231.211 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:45:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <55D03AC6.4080100@ericsson.com> <95C771F1-C7F0-43B5-B9BA-FD3B274768D7@cisco.com> From: Bernard Aboba Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 11:45:33 -0700 Message-ID: To: Eric Rescorla Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11490428557e0a051edc3117 Archived-At: Cc: "Cullen Jennings \(fluffy\)" , "" Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Do we have consensus on not requiring rtcp-non-mux? X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 18:45:56 -0000 --001a11490428557e0a051edc3117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I may be even more confused than EKR. I had thought the discussion was about removing the non-mux mandate in RTP-Usage, not about removing non-mux discussion from RFC 5245bis or any other document (such as the security doc which IMHO needs to provide more detailed info on how non-mux would work with DTLS). After all, the proposal was to make non-mux support a MAY rather than a MUST NOT. On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > I'm now pretty confused. > > What's useful in the near term is to remove rtcpmux from the existing > ICE stacks with existing ICE. If we're not going to do that, then I > don't see a lot of value discussing this. > > -Ekr > > > On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Cullen Jennings (fluffy) < > fluffy@cisco.com> wrote: > >> >> > On Aug 17, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Peter Thatcher >> wrote: >> > >> > 2. At IETF 93, Cullen said he looked into it thoroughly and found that >> every endpoint that he could find that can speak DTLS can also speak >> RTCP-mux. >> >> Note that was about endpoints and did not include gateways and was said >> in the context of what we should do for the next version of ICE which will >> be years from deployment across devices from lots of manufactures. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rtcweb mailing list >> rtcweb@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb >> > > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > > --001a11490428557e0a051edc3117 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I may be even more confused than EKR. =C2=A0

I had thought the discussion was about removing the non-mux mandate i= n RTP-Usage, not about removing non-mux discussion from RFC 5245bis or any = other document (such as the security doc which IMHO needs to provide more d= etailed info on how non-mux would work with DTLS). =C2=A0 After all, the pr= oposal was to make non-mux support a MAY rather than a MUST NOT.=C2=A0

On Thu, Se= p 3, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
I'm now pretty confused.
What's useful in the near term is to remove rtcpmux f= rom the existing
ICE stacks with existing ICE. If we're not g= oing to do that, then I
don't see a lot of value discussing t= his.

-Ekr


On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Cullen Jennings (fluffy) <fluffy@= cisco.com> wrote:
> On Aug 17, 2015, at 4:53 PM, Peter Thatcher <pthatcher@google.com> wrote:
>
> 2.=C2=A0 At IETF 93, Cullen said he looked into it thoroughly and foun= d that every endpoint that he could find that can speak DTLS can also speak= RTCP-mux.

Note that was about endpoints and did not include gateways and was s= aid in the context of what we should do for the next version of ICE which w= ill be years from deployment across devices from lots of manufactures.


_______________________________________________
rtcweb mailing list
rtcweb@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb


_______________________________________________
rtcweb mailing list
rtcweb@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb


--001a11490428557e0a051edc3117-- From nobody Thu Sep 3 23:38:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5451B3721 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 23:38:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nCFIq49ontDB for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 23:38:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg22.ericsson.net (sesbmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 377FD1B3468 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 2015 23:38:18 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-f79626d000006adf-4c-55e93c584189 Received: from ESESSHC002.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by sesbmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id B8.28.27359.85C39E55; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 08:38:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.187]) by ESESSHC002.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.24]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 08:38:16 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: Bernard Aboba , Eric Rescorla Thread-Topic: [rtcweb] Do we have consensus on not requiring rtcp-non-mux? 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[71.94.170.52]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f65sm1430418ywd.35.2015.09.03.23.57.41 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 03 Sep 2015 23:57:41 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Bernard Aboba X-Mailer: iPad Mail (12H321) In-Reply-To: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B37A2C1BA@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2015 23:57:40 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6B7D338D-4949-4F49-8B2B-44E2D30FD64C@gmail.com> References: <55D03AC6.4080100@ericsson.com> <95C771F1-C7F0-43B5-B9BA-FD3B274768D7@cisco.com> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B37A2C1BA@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> To: Christer Holmberg Archived-At: Cc: "Cullen Jennings \(fluffy\)" , "" Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Do we have consensus on not requiring rtcp-non-mux? X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2015 06:57:44 -0000 On Sep 3, 2015, at 23:38, Christer Holmberg = wrote: >=20 > Is there really any advantage with MAY instead of MUST NOT? If browsers ar= en't going to implement non-mux anyway, there is very little reason why othe= r types of devices should do it... [BA] For browser vendors the desire is to remove non-mux or not support it i= n the first place.=20 However, non-mux is not an imminent threat to security or stability which ac= cording to RFC 2026 would justify a MUST NOT, it just adds complexity withou= t enough usage in WEBRTC applications to justify the cost. So it is likely t= o become extinct on its own (like the dodo bird) rather than requiring an er= adication campaign (like smallpox).= From nobody Fri Sep 4 00:31:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459CC1B3740 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 00:31:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id koORH-nXsY9g for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 00:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sessmg23.ericsson.net (sessmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07D241B36F9 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 00:31:18 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb2d-f79626d000004282-82-55e948c43e75 Received: from ESESSHC012.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by sessmg23.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id AD.CB.17026.4C849E55; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:31:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (153.88.183.153) by smtp.internal.ericsson.com (153.88.183.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.248.2; Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:31:16 +0200 References: <052e01d0d01c$3f070230$bd150690$@gmail.com> To: "rtcweb@ietf.org" From: Magnus Westerlund X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <052e01d0d01c$3f070230$bd150690$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55E948C4.2070205@ericsson.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 09:31:16 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <052e01d0d01c$3f070230$bd150690$@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050109000507050503000407" X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA1VSa0hTYRjmO+fs7Gy5+lyuXrRIl2BoZVlUVGQRiFCBBIZ0H3pMa5nteCuC pswsE1OnlvOSqHSZjK2sNFKq2ao1q8UiKyssS7x0gUy7iNJ2Pn/Uv+d9vud93uf9vo+jld8l gVxqWgavS9No1aycqUqYOLbIETsYv+TKiWmrLJMF0vUotqnpNxWHtsvXJvHa1CxeF7lurzyl q9NKp39LyCm65Wb1qCyuEMk4wMvhoscgJXgWuN9Z2UIk55TYgcDUNYhIcQHBnZ9vGZ9KiVeC odHpPeC4mXgLmA05PjoAh4HnvVs0YvEqePUrlyWmG8FoqaV9WIEj4M3oJ+TDDA4F91ezaKnC O6Hoj40lGn9wVn0UeZnXZ6S6QtTTOA7GB0dZEiEC9HknJSUIm/5pMf0jM3nT0Tgaeq9nEXoe tH6poQneD209zZL/ebkXGxD01JRSJjH2DChwdYkHSmxD4HpzSeIz9V2Y+fEawldQUN9yniWF EYHjRCXlKxj8moaX7+oYYhUCxQ0lUpO4dTBU6/WIdFgRfGsdmRItgHOX3YiMmAEW+3xCB8Cj qluIYAW4yh+I0wC/QOD0vJUSo6fe0fmnKFJ0UjD5sk/cQokPg3G0G5HRTxjIs68gVgI4Sh9N bfcEQUdjk9jAemPcNHaLWQOwEs6eKaFMU6/1zNWHyHWvBFPeDSkxCoa2x8OoHkWbkUrgBeHg vqhli3ldaqIgHEpbnMZnXEXeT3r32viiNtQ8vMGOMIfUforg8YF4pUSTJRw5aEdBHKOerTBQ vfFKvE+TwR/g+XRet0eXqeUFO6I4WaAeHVO9cKq0tZ7IxOPt+h2bM+tc/ZkTH6y20wkC9peF 5ze0H7m9WtGi2KjqXthpPZke9VATdG9dtDHmZkfM9Ch1cNncqOTslJCww7uPDpyi8VixYyh3 TuhzVWHkg+StY2FrN/jF9/b/GApJZ3oq/bftyu6zxGy6nxRkczk/f9CUNxaoGSFFszSc1gma v1LbCRiFAwAA Archived-At: Subject: [rtcweb] Fwd: [AVTCORE] WGLC on draft-ietf-avtcore-multi-media-rtp-session-09 X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2015 07:31:21 -0000 --------------050109000507050503000407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RTCWEB WG, As an author of these documents I want to inform you that there is a relevant WG last call that ends in another 6 days. 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Hi,=

 

The chairs would like to start a 5 week WGLC for draft-ietf-avtcore-rtp-multi-stream-optimisation-06 .  The lon= ger WGLC is due to summer vacation and having a WGLC on three documents

 

Please post your review comments, including an indication as to wh= ether you believe the document is ready to progress, no later than Thursday= , September  10th.

=  

Thanks,

Roni Even

AVTcore co= -chair

 

= ------=_NextPart_000_0539_01D0D035.D5D75ED0-- --===============2229705864747764700== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Audio/Video Transport Core Maintenance avt@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avt --===============2229705864747764700==-- --------------000706010605070308000508-- From nobody Thu Sep 10 11:59:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E701B4224 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2015 11:59:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JkhLw-oUAw8d for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2015 11:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg22.ericsson.net (sesbmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DA151B344F for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2015 11:59:36 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-f79626d000006adf-f0-55f1d3168b0b Received: from ESESSHC004.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by sesbmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 91.D7.27359.613D1F55; Thu, 10 Sep 2015 20:59:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.81]) by ESESSHC004.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.30]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Thu, 10 Sep 2015 20:59:34 +0200 From: Christer Holmberg To: "rtcweb@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Interim date? Thread-Index: AdDr+rMjj/EzyYbdRuKWL3o32u1OVA== Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 18:59:34 +0000 Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B37A718F7@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.154] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B37A718F7ESESSMB209erics_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrKLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+Jvja7Y5Y+hBkc3G1ms/dfO7sDosWTJ T6YAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujGetrxgLZohWrDjextTA+EKoi5GTQ0LARGLXxE5mCFtM4sK9 9WxdjFwcQgJHGSWWv/sI5SxmlPg3+zOQw8HBJmAh0f1PG6RBREBd4vLDC+wgtjBQ8+lzL1kg 4tISb++eYoOw9SQ2zPnACmKzCKhKLN92EayeV8BXYv+yl4wgNiNQ7/dTa5hAbGYBcYlbT+Yz QRwkILFkz3mo40QlXj7+xwphK0ksuv2ZCeQcZoF8iV1T7SFGCkqcnPmEZQKj0Cwkk2YhVM1C UgVRoiOxYPcnNghbW2LZwtfMMPaZA4+ZkMUXMLKvYhQtTi1Oyk03MtJLLcpMLi7Oz9PLSy3Z xAiMh4NbfhvsYHz53PEQowAHoxIPr8KTD6FCrIllxZW5hxilOViUxHmbmR6ECgmkJ5akZqem FqQWxReV5qQWH2Jk4uCUamDMaJpbsl7zRur7dTN72B4qvUj2rTWtqEh75Sl1qLWv8CDXtoZA P8bA3U/a70hN4ph3uPu0tsumQK8Hx4sSZpy6s8tS1SnFZD9vt6DbnRPP1NTuLRO5v81246OH FU+UH7l2yGtc6+LbuFv2YjfP/c50jZf5xh5VP6Q2b30jYL+mdFX9yiTR9V+UWIozEg21mIuK EwHH674IaAIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: [rtcweb] Interim date? X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 18:59:38 -0000 --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B37A718F7ESESSMB209erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Has it been announced when the virtual interim will take place, or is the a= nswer-the-doodle-poll period still ongoing? Regards, Christer --_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B37A718F7ESESSMB209erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

Has it been announced when the virtual interim will = take place, or is the answer-the-doodle-poll period still ongoing?

 

Regards,

 

Christer

--_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B37A718F7ESESSMB209erics_-- From nobody Thu Sep 10 16:09:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028441B413A for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2015 16:09:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WTBOjblXTw0L for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2015 16:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lo.psyced.org (lost.in.psyced.org [188.40.42.221]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8E331B2D48 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2015 16:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.43] ([38.88.216.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by lo.psyced.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id t8ANB4g6008151 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2015 01:11:07 +0200 To: rtcweb@ietf.org References: <55352067.6070007@nostrum.com> <20150421154657.GA4071@lo.psyced.org> <20150715123803.GA24976@lo.psyced.org> <2BCEF545-D322-4589-AC85-AA80E7F934D9@phonefromhere.com> <20150715164129.GA27105@lo.psyced.org> <20150716084225.GA29652@lo.psyced.org> <0AF88216-374E-4DBA-9DB5-3E55B358E6AA@phonefromhere.com> <20150731104712.GA5228@lo.psyced.org> From: Philipp Hancke Message-ID: <55F20DA3.207@goodadvice.pages.de> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 16:09:23 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Prompt for mic, camera *and* network access X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 23:09:37 -0000 Am 31.07.2015 um 11:59 schrieb Daniel Roesler: > c) When createOffer() or createAnswer() is called, if the non-default > routes flag is present, ask the user for consent. If there are video > or audio streams already attached to the peerconnection, assume that > consent has already been obtained (since getUserMedia asks for > consent). This is possible with an API for addons in Firefox 42. See https://hacks.mozilla.org/2015/09/controlling-webrtc-peerconnections-with-an-extension/ In theory, this sounds like a good solution. However, unless you have a meaningful question to ask the user this is useless. But please, write your own extension, publicise it and show that my opinion is wrong here. 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[75.144.26.38]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id fu4sm23732350pbb.59.2015.09.15.14.06.42 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:06:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Turner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0CBD3592-C70D-4386-B4B7-A54711116379@sn3rd.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:06:41 -0700 To: rtcweb@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: [rtcweb] adopted: draft-nandakumar-rtcweb-sdp X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 21:06:45 -0000 All, We=92ve verified on the list that there is WG consensus to adopt = draft-nandakumar-rtcweb-sdp [0]. Suhas, When you get a chance please submit as a WG draft. I=92ve pre-approved = the name draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp. spt [0] = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtcweb/2GPvmAH7Ka1ESmqPSfBRBfvvm1Q= From nobody Tue Sep 15 14:57:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31E21B2B38; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:57:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BJwwOYyuEJrx; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131D31B2B12; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:57:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IESG Secretary To: "IETF Announcement List" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150915215738.6324.81889.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:57:38 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org Subject: [rtcweb] RTCWEB Virtual Interim Meeting: September 28, 2015 X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 21:57:39 -0000 The Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on Monday, September 28, 2015, between 0900 and 1100 PDT (1600 and 1800 UTC). The agenda and dial-in information will follow on the RTCWEB mailing list. From nobody Thu Sep 17 09:06:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077711B2B62; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:06:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fDX5ajaaYXyp; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8248D1B2B25; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:06:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150917160626.27852.2278.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:06:26 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org Subject: [rtcweb] I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp-00.txt X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:06:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers Working Group of the IETF. Title : SDP for the WebRTC Authors : Suhas Nandakumar Cullen Jennings Filename : draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp-00.txt Pages : 104 Date : 2015-09-17 Abstract: The Web Real-Time Communication [WebRTC] working group is charged to provide protocol support for direct interactive rich communication using audio, video and data between two peers' web browsers. With in the WebRTC framework, Session Description protocol (SDP) [RFC4566] is used for negotiating session capabilities between the peers. Such a negotiation happens based on the SDP Offer/Answer exchange mechanism described in [RFC3264]. This document provides an informational reference in describing the role of SDP and the Offer/Answer exchange mechanism for the most common WebRTC use-cases. This SDP examples provided in this document is still a work in progress, but it aims to align closest to the evolving standards work. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Sep 17 09:07:42 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7713C1A6F0B; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:07:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l4AwFWcab2mQ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vk0-x235.google.com (mail-vk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4318C1A1BAA; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vkgd64 with SMTP id d64so13826717vkg.0; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:07:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=HLCiBAsJSQ9qxr8iBUxch3uMPAszghBxIUpYR5JHxYA=; b=ZpehKbnrNJCgSZvfTYA+YBvKLMVPIttkI/QIG0V6yNEMgPyNuoh+B0qZCFj0JdRxFQ rUTGHmnAe72YquWbTGG/u3+5B4R52wLJHXqxA+xNocRxRax5lM00wOVfcvoaUiGuumGC lwwnLBbABFIf7exEK7tBGejyS7PAoj+aJLmBzHq3m1fNng1Hif1RUQUgqrXNjURgdJok ClCJX17IoZ9lOTkL/8oYwypBNTedKXIsmN6fFh4Oi9AcboY09FoSH0w12qURKYTvqRVT M6TzxPvEq+M+bQx+55Oi//kISP9/I7bD0ZvKVAPNXd3CL6GppmUTBBg28IAzXQuxgPyj WPuQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.31.16.38 with SMTP id g38mr34083036vki.83.1442506058461; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.88.28 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:07:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150917160626.27852.2278.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <20150917160626.27852.2278.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:07:38 -0700 Message-ID: From: Suhas Nandakumar To: internet-drafts@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11431e76337abe051ff39d1f Archived-At: Cc: "rtcweb@ietf.org" , i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rtcweb] I-D Action: draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp-00.txt X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:07:41 -0000 --001a11431e76337abe051ff39d1f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello All This is the WG version of the SDP Examples draft. Please let us know any comments/questions on the same Thanks Suhas On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 9:06 AM, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers > Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : SDP for the WebRTC > Authors : Suhas Nandakumar > Cullen Jennings > Filename : draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp-00.txt > Pages : 104 > Date : 2015-09-17 > > Abstract: > The Web Real-Time Communication [WebRTC] working group is charged to > provide protocol support for direct interactive rich communication > using audio, video and data between two peers' web browsers. With in > the WebRTC framework, Session Description protocol (SDP) [RFC4566] is > used for negotiating session capabilities between the peers. Such a > negotiation happens based on the SDP Offer/Answer exchange mechanism > described in [RFC3264]. > > This document provides an informational reference in describing the > role of SDP and the Offer/Answer exchange mechanism for the most > common WebRTC use-cases. > > This SDP examples provided in this document is still a work in > progress, but it aims to align closest to the evolving standards > work. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp/ > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-sdp-00 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb > --001a11431e76337abe051ff39d1f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello All

=C2=A0 This is the WG version= of the SDP Examples draft.=C2=A0
=C2=A0 Please let us know any c= omments/questions on the same

Thanks
Suh= as

On = Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 9:06 AM, <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
=C2=A0This draft is a work item of the Real-Time Communication in WEB-brows= ers Working Group of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= SDP for the WebRTC
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Suha= s Nandakumar
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Cullen Jennings
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-rtcweb-sdp-00.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 104
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2015-09-17

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Web Real-Time Communication [WebRTC] working group is char= ged to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0provide protocol support for direct interactive rich communica= tion
=C2=A0 =C2=A0using audio, video and data between two peers' web browser= s.=C2=A0 With in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the WebRTC framework, Session Description protocol (SDP) [RFC4= 566] is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0used for negotiating session capabilities between the peers.= =C2=A0 Such a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0negotiation happens based on the SDP Offer/Answer exchange mec= hanism
=C2=A0 =C2=A0described in [RFC3264].

=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document provides an informational reference in describin= g the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0role of SDP and the Offer/Answer exchange mechanism for the mo= st
=C2=A0 =C2=A0common WebRTC use-cases.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0This SDP examples provided in this document is still a work in=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0progress, but it aims to align closest to the evolving standar= ds
=C2=A0 =C2=A0work.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-r= tcweb-sdp/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rtcweb-sd= p-00


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/

_______________________________________________
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rtcweb@ietf.org
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--001a11431e76337abe051ff39d1f-- From nobody Mon Sep 21 12:20:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1491C1B3465 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 12:20:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eDc5-Du8XGDl for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 12:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qg0-x230.google.com (mail-qg0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 455C01B346E for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 12:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qgt47 with SMTP id 47so98271840qgt.2 for ; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 12:20:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=xZNyXNf7CQS5er6q1noBnPch02luEaX1XlsC1xuLLXM=; b=f6+4MMsMWYZ/1uZYttwyrMz6PppUL8vni5V44isQbTlJ2C5c2cJn8eSjuS7wnv5vmw yNtV4+07ZiKDDcpN2O1Irx4+pOsScpPy+AKKkcgGZtL7K3C7NoHh6kVxfsgQ+lsaLti+ 7NXhEcKXv2sK6NyQBtRZuK/z/hvcV4T6/vQTAoxM1xDx50dU9bwXPB2dyXUmAdYERgM8 77gKEIwrEVw0MpvriolrA4g6W25bqZFZDidjxCNbKfeN/Sc5c+0Rr5mwtbfI4T/aiLxt kHzrJOWpnkXnGHFPMNfB6VYrA4zoeP18rSFcC07jvpPenG28tw49K6V3Z/YkyhRrfZ1A 1FDw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.93.68 with SMTP id c62mr24943280qge.54.1442863247336; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 12:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.55.50.2 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Sep 2015 12:20:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 12:20:47 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ted Hardie To: "rtcweb@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1139b3b8512bd5052046c7df Archived-At: Subject: [rtcweb] Fwd: Reg Fee Discount for W3C TPAC Meeting in Sapporo X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 19:20:50 -0000 --001a1139b3b8512bd5052046c7df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Just a reminder to folks that registration for the W3C TPAC meeting in Sapporo is being offered at a discount to folks who attend the IETF but do not normally attend the W3C. Given the tight coordination between WebRTC and RTCWeb, there may be some folks who want to take advantage of this. regards, Ted ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ray Pelletier Date: Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:49 AM Subject: Reg Fee Discount for W3C TPAC Meeting in Sapporo To: 94attendees@ietf.org, IETF Discussion All; We are pleased to announce that, as part of an effort to encourage cross-pollination, the W3C is offering a 50% registration fee discount to attend the upcoming TPAC 2015 meeting in Sapporo, Japan (October 26-30) to members of the IETF community who have not attended a W3C meeting in the last five years. The cost to attend is $42.50 per day if you pay by October 7. Registrations that remain unpaid after October 7 will increase to $85 per day. If you are interested in this opportunity, please register using this URL: https://www.w3.org/2015/11/tpac_ietf_reg. The TPAC 2015 schedule is at http://www.w3.org/2015/10/TPAC/schedule.html. Please note that the 50% discount only applies to those who have not attended a W3C annual meeting in the last five years. The IETF is offering a reciprocal 50% registration fee discount to IETF 94 for W3C members who have not attended an IETF meeting since November 2013. Ray IAD --001a1139b3b8512bd5052046c7df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a reminder to folks that registration for t= he=C2=A0 W3C TPAC meeting in Sapporo is being offered at a discount to folk= s who attend the IETF but do not normally attend the W3C. Given the tight c= oordination between WebRTC and RTCWeb, there may be some folks who want to = take advantage of this.

regards,

Ted



---= ------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ray Pelletier <rpelletier@isoc.org>
Date: Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 1:49 = AM
Subject: Reg Fee Discount for W3C TPAC Meeting in Sapporo
To: 94attendees@ietf.org, IETF Discussi= on <ietf@ietf.org>


Al= l;

We are pleased to announce that, as part of an effort to encourage
cross-pollination, the W3C is offering a 50% registration fee
discount to attend the upcoming TPAC 2015 meeting in Sapporo, Japan
(October 26-30) to members of the IETF community who have not
attended a W3C meeting in the last five years. The cost to attend is
$42.50 per day if you pay by October 7. Registrations that remain
unpaid after October 7 will increase to $85 per day.

If you are interested in this opportunity, please register using
this URL: https://www.w3.org/2015/11/tpac_ietf_reg.

The TPAC 2015 schedule is at
http://www.w3.org/2015/10/TPAC/schedule.html.=C2=A0 = Please note that the
50% discount only applies to those who have not attended a W3C
annual meeting in the last five years.

The IETF is offering a reciprocal 50% registration fee discount to
IETF 94 for W3C members who have not attended an IETF meeting since
November 2013.

Ray
IAD


--001a1139b3b8512bd5052046c7df-- From nobody Tue Sep 22 00:57:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153201A0196 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 00:57:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zx5vjByROJ-O for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 00:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.trendhosting.net (mail1.trendhosting.net [IPv6:2001:67c:1388:1000::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C02E51A0195 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 00:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.trendhosting.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77751150CE for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 08:57:06 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=pocock.pro; s=mail; t=1442908626; bh=JtU4OYdt44HNUrv3X6YNzsoI48Qelbk6qJddAxYnkx4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=h/ttssFh7ckAJNuD1cSMY52CveycI6GYYIT1/l8LtWw/X3YRyyaj1EoZHcVA6htip VWYQQLSqvmwQKE+HZNtccbPEDiBTIhbm6Wa4aFWbJO5Xe/jszhyEfODLG40PD061YU YB0DbchtprXXDHt1nkGHppMFjAtMmpX3goTlOjFA= Received: from mail1.trendhosting.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (thp003.trendhosting.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id PBEopH6lSAhd for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2015 08:57:04 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <560109CF.8070408@pocock.pro> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=pocock.pro; s=mail; t=1442908624; bh=JtU4OYdt44HNUrv3X6YNzsoI48Qelbk6qJddAxYnkx4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=lRIVnOGZYyxy5xYvLkzqkARkgUeuHLW1Noh2RxWi0+ZPHa9wtLfUPtzMlVrAFcHn8 4u1MjkwnEzRHHCBWDGygNyCRngCvKHCTNoEyPbzQggVWvY30xDd9dDlvFTkuBrs/hQ jPQtg6jLLN8vwHaYnXlc3kRLKh5fMcEsQrLoQFZE= Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 09:57:03 +0200 From: Daniel Pocock User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rtcweb@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [rtcweb] RTC Quickstart X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 07:57:11 -0000 I've placed the DocBook source code for the RTC Quickstart Guide onto Github The main aim of the guide is helping people deploy SIP and XMPP using packages on Linux distributions and making them federate as easily as possible. There is a dedicated chapter on WebRTC: http://rtcquickstart.org/guide/multi/webrtc.html https://github.com/opentelecoms-org/RTCQuickstartGuide/blob/master/webrtc.xml and any feedback and contributions would be welcome. Regards, Daniel From nobody Wed Sep 23 05:31:02 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952B01B29D2 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 05:31:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f3Lp7lIST4Y0 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 05:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x22d.google.com (mail-pa0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0AD661B29CF for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2015 05:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pacfv12 with SMTP id fv12so40243697pac.2 for ; 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Wed, 23 Sep 2015 05:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.59.27.120] ([66.193.32.18]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id dk2sm7818721pbd.57.2015.09.23.05.30.58 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 23 Sep 2015 05:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Sean Turner In-Reply-To: <20150915215738.6324.81889.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 05:30:56 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1D794828-263E-4946-895E-8B6C22A2FDC5@sn3rd.com> References: <20150915215738.6324.81889.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: [rtcweb] CANCELED: Re: RTCWEB Virtual Interim Meeting: September 28, 2015 X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 12:31:00 -0000 All, After chatting with the JSEP authors, it appears we=92re not actually = going to have enough work done to justify holding the virtual interim. = So unfortunately, we=92re going to have to cancel this meeting. spt for the chairs On Sep 15, 2015, at 14:57, IESG Secretary = wrote: > The Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) Working Group=20 > will hold a virtual interim meeting on Monday, September 28, 2015,=20 > between 0900 and 1100 PDT (1600 and 1800 UTC). >=20 > The agenda and dial-in information will follow on the RTCWEB mailing=20= > list. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb From nobody Thu Sep 24 11:02:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F7F1A871C; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:02:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xZAs0sd3R922; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4710E1A6FDE; Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:02:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IESG Secretary To: "IETF Announcement List" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150924180239.13720.77352.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 11:02:39 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org Subject: [rtcweb] CANCELED: RTCWEB WG Virtual Interim Meeting: September 28, 2015 X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2015 18:02:40 -0000 The Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers (rtcweb) Working Group has CANCELED the virtual interim meeting scheduled for Monday, September 28, 2015. From nobody Tue Sep 29 15:50:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtcweb@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AD4B1B554A for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 15:50:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mdYWXMPb_mrp for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 15:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x236.google.com (mail-qk0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59FD71B5547 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 15:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qkfq186 with SMTP id q186so10235857qkf.1 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 15:50:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+b5Rr6Fmk9Zlg3fmH35xeeQ7jyDURJj3+P6x7PdM3m4=; b=zg1H9hha8KZdgfW7x1aazwS2/yP2fYI47Tdq88gZdCACjQNnji6BgAYgO8LwO7W+aD sEjtFTtmEg9FscRbIx0+crUawa8xWBuV13tc/5oAXXUAes/Mf5kpngKqMJ14TYM76vaE 8QRbd0F170f4J+m1gNVPvgZoSmeIRbolDuh42SgF9qxshhkMB++kBI7l6lXQ9WXpHlIV c3gz91vgmS4i85d0LCmIY4fpsNwvvvKQHBYXm0Ob3y/MYlHAE0ePqNLW/aSWPotPNilB WCr7X6jyCulehePRF7tiVSGv0KNKGZXdADDa68uOyLL2ojayh/LCuJOk7jzXMm0pVEl3 8iWQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.55.204.204 with SMTP id n73mr676086qkl.20.1443567020479; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 15:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.55.50.2 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 15:50:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 15:50:20 -0700 Message-ID: From: Ted Hardie To: "rtcweb@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1149ab6877219b0520eaa380 Archived-At: Subject: [rtcweb] MMUSIC interim on simulcast X-BeenThere: rtcweb@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Real-Time Communication in WEB-browsers working group list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 22:50:26 -0000 --001a1149ab6877219b0520eaa380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy folks, The MMUSIC group is going to hold a virtual interim to discuss the simulcast work. The time and date are as below. The Multiparty Multimedia Session Control (MMUSIC) working group will hold a virtual interim meeting on Tuesday, October 13, from 1100 to 1300 EDT. Participation information and agenda will be announced on the MMUSIC mailing list. For those that will attend, here is Adam's summary of the current thinking: =E2=80=8BAfter significant conversations both at and after the interim WebR= TC > meeting, and considering information about the type of solutions that > interested parties are likely to find acceptable, a number of the WebRTC > participants have come up with a tentative proposal that we believe is > likely to be simple, flexible, and satisfactory to everyone involved. At = a > high level: > > > * The current behavior described in the MMUSIC simulcast draft remains > valid. > > * Additionally, we define a new attribute type (provisionally called > =E2=80=9CRID=E2=80=9D, for =E2=80=9CRTP Stream ID=E2=80=9D) that can be u= sed to define additional > codec-independent constraints on PTs (e.g., max-fps, max-bps,max-width, > max-height). > > *RIDs can be defined to be unidirectional, so as to allow implementation= s > to signal the ability to send a different number of encodings than they > can receive. > > * The values for each constraint can be specified to be different in eac= h > direction. > > * When used, the RID value is encoded as part of the RTP packet, in an > extension header. > > * The values (that is, identifiers) used for RID are proposed by the > offerer in a session, and are symmetric. The RID values in an answer must > be a subset of those present in the offer. > > * The parameters associated with a RID can be made more restrictive > (i.e., resolution decreased, bandwidth decreased), but not less > restrictive, in an answer. > > * For those sessions that use RIDs, the =E2=80=9Ca=3Dsimulcast=E2=80=9D = parameter is > enhanced to be able to carry RIDs instead of PTs. > > We hope to have an internet-draft that describes this approach in more > detail by the end of next week. > > /a > > =E2=80=8BThanks to the authors and chairs of MMUSIC for pulling this togeth= er. Discussion of this topic should be on the MMUSIC list. regards, Ted --001a1149ab6877219b0520eaa380 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy folks,

The MMUSIC group is going to= hold a virtual=20 interim to discuss the simulcast work.=C2=A0 The time and date are as below= .


The Multiparty Multimedia Session Control (MMUSIC) working group will hold a virtual interim meeting on Tuesday, October 13, from 1100 to 1300 EDT.
=

Participation information and agenda will be announced on the MMUSIC=20 mailing list. For those that will attend, here is Adam's summary of the= =20 current thinking:

= =E2=80=8BAfter significant conversations both at and after the interim WebRTC meeting, and considering information about the type of solutions that interested parties are likely to find acceptable, a number of the WebRTC=20 participants have come up with a tentative proposal that we believe is=20 likely to be simple, flexible, and satisfactory to everyone involved. At a high level:


=C2=A0* The current behavior described in the MMUSIC simulcast draft remain= s valid.

=C2=A0* Additionally, we define a new attribute type (provisionally called= =20 =E2=80=9CRID=E2=80=9D, for =E2=80=9CRTP Stream ID=E2=80=9D) that can be use= d to define additional=20 codec-independent constraints on PTs (e.g., max-fps, max-bps,max-width,=20 max-height).

=C2=A0*RIDs can be defined to be unidirectional, so as to allow=20 implementations to signal the ability to send a different number of=C2=A0= =20 encodings than they can receive.

=C2=A0* The values for each constraint can be specified to be different in = each direction.

=C2=A0* When used, the RID value is encoded as part of the RTP packet, in a= n extension header.

=C2=A0* The values (that is, identifiers) used for RID are proposed by the= =20 offerer in a session, and are symmetric. The RID values in an answer=20 must be a subset of those present in the offer.

=C2=A0* The parameters associated with a RID can be made more restrictive= =20 (i.e., resolution decreased, bandwidth decreased), but not less=20 restrictive, in an answer.

=C2=A0* For those sessions that use RIDs, the =E2=80=9Ca=3Dsimulcast=E2=80= =9D parameter is enhanced to be able to carry RIDs instead of PTs.

We hope to have an internet-draft that describes this approach in more deta= il by the end of next week.

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=E2=80=8BThanks to the authors and cha= irs of MMUSIC for pulling this together.=C2=A0 Discussion of this topic sho= uld be on the MMUSIC list.

regards,

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