From waehlisch@ieee.org Mon Jul 11 15:08:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5DE11E82FC for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:08:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.937 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.937 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.487, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qoctg9JLfaVu for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5603911E82F6 for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:08:50 -0700 (PDT) Envelope-to: sam@irtf.org Received: from e178058197.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.58.197] helo=mw-PC.fritz.box) by mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1QgOen-000Age-61 for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 00:08:49 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 00:08:50 +0200 From: Matthias Waehlisch To: sam Message-ID: X-X-Sender: mw@mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-HTW-SPAMINFO: this message was scanned by eXpurgate (http://www.eleven.de) X-HTW-DELIVERED-TO: sam@irtf.org Subject: [SAM] New Version Notification for draft-irtf-samrg-common-api-02.txt (fwd) X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 22:08:51 -0000 Hi folks, we updated the common API draft: * Pseudo syntax for lists objects changed * Editorial improvements Please, read the document such that we can discuss details on the upcoming meeting. One open question regards the error codes: Do you think that we should explicitly define the error codes within the draft or leave it only to the developers? Thanks & Best regards matthias -- Matthias Waehlisch . Freie Universitaet Berlin, Inst. fuer Informatik, AG CST . Takustr. 9, D-14195 Berlin, Germany .. mailto:waehlisch@ieee.org .. http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~waehl :. Also: http://inet.cpt.haw-hamburg.de .. http://www.link-lab.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:02:52 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: mw@link-lab.net Cc: schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de, mw@link-lab.net, stig@cisco.com Subject: New Version Notification for draft-irtf-samrg-common-api-02.txt A new version of I-D, draft-irtf-samrg-common-api-02.txt has been successfully submitted by Matthias Waehlisch and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-irtf-samrg-common-api Revision: 02 Title: A Common API for Transparent Hybrid Multicast Creation date: 2011-07-11 WG ID: Individual Submission Number of pages: 31 Abstract: Group communication services exist in a large variety of flavors, and technical implementations at different protocol layers. Multicast data distribution is most efficiently performed on the lowest available layer, but a heterogeneous deployment status of multicast technologies throughout the Internet requires an adaptive service binding at runtime. Today, it is difficult to write an application that runs everywhere and at the same time makes use of the most efficient multicast service available in the network. Facing robustness requirements, developers are frequently forced to use a stable, upper layer protocol controlled by the application itself. This document describes a common multicast API that is suitable for transparent communication in underlay and overlay, and grants access to the different multicast flavors. It proposes an abstract naming by multicast URIs and discusses mapping mechanisms between different namespaces and distribution technologies. Additionally, it describes the application of this API for building gateways that interconnect current multicast domains throughout the Internet. The IETF Secretariat From sunzhigang.nudt@gmail.com Wed Jul 13 22:36:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9260B21F8C01 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:36:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CN_BODY_35=0.339, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_52=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_63=0.6, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mh-kKyzP5Ou3 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f182.google.com (mail-pv0-f182.google.com [74.125.83.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C2721F8B93 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pvg11 with SMTP id 11so7006751pvg.13 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:36:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fwdw3Z24QinTxZyHDey/o+w45wwt3VFuVZcAPIgyPL8=; b=cQ9yShwdEKRKon5rh664vyCIljrV8ESffWurrXECZNWYFWkTlaGYjKAZVDmKRlE7sr Udq4bRF+NunZz5fMmrE9TelUUEikAuZV0xeWqR4nNpHNbVRfx4wzDBiyGJmmrYlyS+e0 PTFhD/55pq/15/FNREU5qs0Xum12bEaz56wSk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.63.6 with SMTP id q6mr774455wfk.436.1310621814441; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.225.3 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 13:36:54 +0800 Message-ID: From: zhigang sun To: sam@irtf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd28680af487f04a800eba3 Subject: [SAM] New Version Notification for draft-sunzhigang-sam-labelcast-02.txt X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 05:36:58 -0000 --000e0cd28680af487f04a800eba3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone, We have undated labelcast draft according to the questions and advices in last IETF meeting. The main change include: (1) Labelcast does not exclude RTP/RTCP. RTP/RTCP is an excellent protocol for multimedia data transportatiaphy on and RTCP based feedback can not only provide receiver's QoE information, bu= t also support network tomography that can deduce network status(but not real time). Labelcast replaces or updates the UDP header, It can implement three functions using its 8 byte header. Application mux/dex, in-network measurement and label-based multicast forwarding control. (2)labelcast can coexist with IP multicast Charter of sam says "new protocols are expected to coexist and integrate with native IP multicast protocols while offering more flexible deployment options and scaling to support a greater number of simultaneous multicast groups." So we consider labelcast can coexist with ip multicast or it is a supplemen= t to IP multicast. Multicast control table(or labelcast table) is configured by external controllers while IP multicast FIB is generated by existing routing protocols. I think it is more like openflow. Labelcast provide a policy interface to outside of network devices. But how to generate labelcast table by a outsid= e controller and the management interface define of labelcast is beyond this draft. (3)labelcast deployment problem is discussed We discuss its relationship to "common API", and use IP tunnel and gateways to implement incremental deployment. We suppose application developments are based on common API, an= d middleware on the sender host can encapsulate payload into labelcast packet and vice versa at the receiver end. Any comments is welcome on the list, and we hope to get more feedback in th= e meeting. Best Regards. Sun zhigang -----=D3=CA=BC=FE=D4=AD=BC=FE----- =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.o= rg] =B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2011=C4=EA7=D4=C212=C8=D57:23 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: sunzhigang@263.net =B3=AD=CB=CD: sunzhigang@nudt.edu.cn; wanghuinudt@gmail.com; sunzhigang@263= .net; taoli.nudt@gmail.com; mjn198812@sina.com =D6=F7=CC=E2: New Version Notification for draft-sunzhigang-sam-labelcast-0= 2.txt A new version of I-D, draft-sunzhigang-sam-labelcast-02.txt has been successfully submitted by Zhigang Sun and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-sunzhigang-sam-labelcast Revision: 02 Title: Labelcast Protocol Creation date:2011-07-12 WG ID: Individual Submission Number of pages: 15 Abstract: This document presents a lightweight transport protocol-Labelcast, especially for long-lived connection video streams. This protocol provides a procedure for application programs to send media data to other programs. Like the UDP protocol, the Labelcast does not provide delivery and duplicate protection. However, it provides efficient support for the monitoring of video transmission quality. And, fast forwarding mechanism based on label is also supported by the protocol. Labelcast can coexist and integrate with existing mechanisms, such as IP multicast and RTP/RTCP, while offering more flexible deployment options and scaling to support a greater number of simultaneous multicast groups. The IETF Secretariat --000e0cd28680af487f04a800eba3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello every= one,
 
We have undated labelcast draft according to the question= s and advices in last IETF meeting.
 
The main change include:
(1) Labelcast does not exclude RTP/RT= CP.
RTP/RTCP is an excellent protocol for multimedia data transportatiap= hy on and RTCP based feedback can not only provide receiver's QoE infor= mation, but also support network tomography that can deduce network status(= but not real time).
Labelcast replaces or updates the UDP header, It can implement three functi= ons using its 8 byte header. Application mux/dex, in-network measurement an= d label-based multicast forwarding control.
 
(2)labelcast can c= oexist with IP multicast Charter of sam says "new protocols are expect= ed to coexist and integrate with native IP multicast protocols while offeri= ng more flexible deployment options and scaling to support a greater number= of simultaneous multicast groups."
So we consider labelcast can coexist with ip multicast or it is a supplemen= t to IP multicast. Multicast control table(or labelcast table) is configure= d by external controllers while IP multicast FIB is generated by existing r= outing protocols.
I think it is more like openflow. Labelcast provide a policy interface to o= utside of network devices. But how to generate labelcast table by a outside= controller and the management interface define of labelcast is beyond this= draft.
 
(3)labelcast deployment problem is discussed We discuss its relat= ionship to "common API", and use IP tunnel and gateways to implem= ent incremental deployment. We suppose application developments are based o= n common API, and middleware on the sender host can encapsulate payload int= o labelcast packet and vice versa at the receiver end.
 
Any comments is welcome on the list, and we hope to get more feed= back in the meeting.
 
Best Regards.
 
Sun zhigang 
 
 
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=B3=AD=CB=CD: sunzhigang@nudt.edu.cn; <= a href=3D"mailto:wanghuinudt@gmail.com">wanghuinudt@gmail.com; sunzhigang@263.net; taoli.nudt@gmail.com; mjn198812@sina.com
=D6=F7=CC=E2: New Version Notification for draf= t-sunzhigang-sam-labelcast-02.txt
 
A new version of I-D, draft-= sunzhigang-sam-labelcast-02.txt has been successfully submitted by Zhigang = Sun and posted to the IETF repository.
 
Filename:          d= raft-sunzhigang-sam-labelcast
Revision:  02
Title:  &n= bsp;            = ;   Labelcast Protocol
Creation date:2011-07-12
WG ID: = ;             I= ndividual Submission
Number of pages: 15
 
Abstract:
   This document presents a lightweight transport pr= otocol-Labelcast,
   especially for long-lived connection vide= o streams.  This protocol
   provides a procedure for app= lication programs to send media data to
   other programs.  Like the UDP protocol, the Labelcast doe= s not
   provide delivery and duplicate protection.  Howe= ver, it provides
   efficient support for the monitoring of vi= deo transmission quality.
   And, fast forwarding mechanism ba= sed on label is also supported by
   the protocol.  Labelcast can coexist and integrate with e= xisting
   mechanisms, such as IP multicast and RTP/RTCP, whil= e offering more
   flexible deployment options and scaling to = support a greater number
   of simultaneous multicast groups.<= br>  
 
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The IETF Secretariat
 --000e0cd28680af487f04a800eba3-- From schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de Sat Jul 16 05:12:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAFBD21F8622 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 05:12:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hbfsbaf1FNf4 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 05:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C5221F861E for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 05:12:33 -0700 (PDT) Envelope-to: sam@irtf.org Received: from g231111169.adsl.alicedsl.de ([92.231.111.169] helo=[192.168.178.36]) by mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Qi3jU-0005LE-2F for sam@irtf.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 14:12:32 +0200 Message-ID: <4E21802D.4040300@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 14:12:29 +0200 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam@irtf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-HTW-SPAMINFO: this message was scanned by eXpurgate (http://www.eleven.de) X-HTW-DELIVERED-TO: sam@irtf.org Subject: [SAM] Reminder: PerGroup@GC11 - Workshop on Pervasive Group Communication(IEEE PerGroup) X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 12:12:34 -0000 Hi folks, please be reminded at the SAM-related Workshop on Pervasive Group Communication: The deadline is tomorrow! For impressions of last year, have a look at: http://pergroup.realmv6.org/2010/ Best regards thomas [Our apologies if you receive multiple copies of this CfP] CALL FOR PAPERS ** 2nd Workshop on Pervasive Group Communication (IEEE PerGroup) ** URL: http://pergroup.realmv6.org Houston, TX, USA, December, 2011, held in conjunction with IEEE GLOBECOM 2011, and co-sponsored by the German Chapter of the IEEE CE Society, G-Lab, and The unbelievable Machine Company Group communications have passed from research to deployment and back to a research issue. Newly deployed services, in particular IPTV, P2P content distribution, and collaborative applications, are stimulating current research on multicast, broadcast, concast, and anycast. Emerging design issues for a future multi-service Internet combined with the dynamic development of wireless access techonologies challenge the community to rethink the position of group communications along the stack. The PerGroup workshop invites the community to share efforts in search of seamless, pervasive group services, and to discuss directions on a human-centric multi-service Inter-networking architecture. We welcome contributions that design new solutions or analyze existing deployments, but also those that present striking problem statements or early conceptual work. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: System Design & Methodology: - Architectures and protocols for fixed, wireless and ad hoc networks - Protocols and interfaces for intuitive group communications - Intra- and Inter-domain group communication - Native, overlay (including P2P) and hybrid multicast - Topology analysis & measuring, mining and modeling of - media-rich social networks - Measurement, simulation and analytical studies as well as deployment experiences Supporting Technologies: - Multipath routing / extension of emerging routing schemes - Cooperative relaying and network coding - Service placement and service location - Security and privacy issues for multicast, anycast, and broadcast - Real-time and QoS aspects Applications: - Adaptive content distribution, e.g., video broadcasting - Application-layer traffic optimization and provider interaction - Multicast & anycast in a future multi-service Internet - New data distribution models to facilitate group communication - Frameworks for human centric based group communications You will find detailed information about the very successful last year's PerGroup at http://pergroup.realmv6.org/2010/. --------------- IMPORTANT DATES --------------- Full paper: July 17, 2011 Notification: August 15, 2011 Final version: August 31, 2011 ---------------------- ORGANIZATION COMMITTEE ---------------------- Workshop Co-Chairs: - Thomas C. Schmidt, HAW Hamburg, Germany - Matthias Wählisch, Freie Universität Berlin, Germany - Georg Wittenburg, INRIA & Ecole Polytechnique, France Program Committee: - Kevin C. Almeroth, UC Santa Barbara, USA - Emmanuel Baccelli, INRIA, France - Rick Boivie, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center, USA - Torsten Braun, University of Bern, Switzerland - John Buford, Avaya Labs Research, USA - Ruben Cuevas, Universidad Carlos III de Madrid, Spain - Gorry Fairhurst, University of Aberdeen, UK - Thomas C. Schmidt, HAW Hamburg, Germany - Stig Venaas, Cisco Systems, USA - Matthias Wählisch, Freie Universität Berlin, Germany - Georg Wittenburg, INRIA & Ecole Polytechnique, France - ... TBC ... --------------------- SUBMISSION GUIDELINES --------------------- Authors are invited to submit full papers of up to five double-column, IEEE conference-style pages. One additional page will be allowed with additional publication fee. All submitted papers will be carefully evaluated by at least three reviewers based on originality, significance, technical soundness, and clarity of expression. Accepted papers will appear in the IEEE GLOBECOM proceedings and will be included in IEEE digital library. At least one of the authors of accepted papers must attend the workshop to present the paper. An accepted paper must be registered before the registration deadline. IEEE reserves the right to exclude a paper from distribution after the conference (e.g., removal from IEEE Xplore) if the paper is not presented at the workshop. In case of double submissions or (self-)plagiarism, the paper will be excluded from the technical program. Further information: http://pergroup.realmv6.org/submission.html ------- CONTACT ------- For further information regarding PerGroup 2010 and paper submission, please contact gc_11workshop-pergroup2011-chairs@edas.info. Best regards, Thomas C. Schmidt, Matthias Waehlisch, and Georg Wittenburg (IEEE Globecom 2010 PerGroup Workshop Co-Chairs) -- Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt ° Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner Tor 7 ° ° Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, Germany ° ° http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: +49-40-42875-8452 ° ° http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: +49-40-42875-8409 ° From schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de Thu Jul 21 07:36:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C0D21F85EC for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 07:36:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.39 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.39 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DRSWchK-V4Xn for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 07:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F81521F8504 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 07:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Envelope-to: sam@irtf.org Received: from modemcable227.81-176-173.mc.videotron.ca ([173.176.81.227] helo=[192.168.0.187]) by mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1QjuMK-0000FY-8k for sam@irtf.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2011 16:36:16 +0200 Message-ID: <4E28395F.4070606@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:36:15 -0400 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-HTW-SPAMINFO: this message was scanned by eXpurgate (http://www.eleven.de) X-HTW-DELIVERED-TO: sam@irtf.org Subject: [SAM] Agenda Online X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:36:23 -0000 Hi all, the agenda for our meeting on Thursday evening is online, now, http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/81/agenda/SAMRG.txt Please send comments in case of changes or additional requests. See you in Quebec John & Thomas -- Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt ° Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner Tor 7 ° ° Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, Germany ° ° http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: +49-40-42875-8452 ° ° http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: +49-40-42875-8409 ° From p2p.nve.2011@gmail.com Sat Jul 23 01:06:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B2C21F85DA for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:06:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VeX7o+93u5HH for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A017D21F856F for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so1980787yxl.13 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:06:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8ZKHcX719/YoCAsY1ZUDa4TS3GP0FosW0oY5GRNWUiI=; b=bQERUTDAVmYKhrL8/aOpQ+fGyurbqs6RqF8yW3Z1iaqH+mZXn0ZcR9quRoFyyjpkxT apBe8OC6jRB9bl5pcwxa6ODZ27gOR7KeV0VuqVUju5PRUpeNvq2IsYgxJ01RbBi7jPVU TOMJzgWMsYENu8OlKICDzgRDXGWRhU3cz6p5M= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.200.2 with SMTP id x2mr589188wff.125.1311408375180; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.82.9 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:06:15 +0800 Message-ID: From: =?Big5?B?qVCpd71u?= To: ppsp@ietf.org, sam@irtf.org, p2p@ogf.org, p2psip@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2e2465bac8504a8b80e2d Subject: [SAM] [CFP] P2PNVE 2011 (Deadline: Aug. 20, 2011) X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 08:18:17 -0000 --000e0cd2e2465bac8504a8b80e2d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 CFP ======================================================================== The 5th International Workshop on Peer-to-Peer Networked Virtual Environments (P2P-NVE 2011) in conjunction with The 17th International Conference on Parallel and Distributed Systems (ICPADS 2011) December 7-9, 2011 Tainan, Taiwan http://acnlab.csie.ncu.edu.tw/P2PNVE2011/ ======================================================================== PURPOSE AND SCOPE Peer-to-peer (P2P) is a computing paradigm based on self-organizing network overlays, in which participating entities play symmetric roles as both servers and clients for accomplish common goals. Compared with the traditional client/server (C/S) paradigm, the P2P paradigm is not vulnerable to a single point of failure and has better scalability and lower installation and management cost. It has been successfully applied to many applications, such as data sharing, storage sharing, bandwidth sharing, collaborative computation, and so on. Many research studies have been devoted to developing efficient, flexible, and secure P2P systems. They call for a workshop to provide a forum for researchers to exchange their ideas about state-of-the-art P2P technologies. Recently, some studies try to apply the P2P paradigm to network virtual environments (NVEs), which is also known as distributed virtual environment (DVEs) or collaborative virtual environment (CVEs), to increase NVE scalability and to reduce NVE management and deployment costs. An NVE is a computer-generated virtual world where multiple users can assume virtual representatives (or avatars) to concurrently interact with each other via networked links. Examples of NVEs include early DARPA SIMNET and DIS systems as well as currently booming Massively Multiplayer Online Games (MMOGs). Typical examples of studies on P2P NVEs are P2P voice chatting, P2P 3D streaming, P2P game state management, and so on. In spite of the success of the studies, we need more studies about state consistency control, persistent data storage, multimedia data dissemination, cheat-prevention, topology mismatching, and virtual world interoperability to construct NVEs of better performance. The 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th International Workshop on Peer-to-Peer Networked Virtual Environments were held in conjunction with the 13th, 14th, 15th and 16th International Conference on Parallel and Distributed Systems in 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010 respectively. To adhere to the theme of P2P-NVE workshops, the theme of P2P-NVE 2011 is to solicit original and previously unpublished new ideas on general P2P schemes as well as on the design and realization of P2P NVEs. The workshop aims to facilitate discussions and idea exchanges by both academics and practitioners. Authors are invited to submit an electronic version of original, unpublished manuscripts, not to exceed 8 double-columned, single-spaced pages, to the workshop. Submitted papers should be in accordance with IEEE Computer Society guidelines, and will be refereed by reviewers in terms of relevance, originality, contribution, correctness, and presentation. All Accepted papers will be published by IEEE Press (indexed by EI) and will be included in IEEE Xplore. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: * P2P systems and infrastructures * Applications of P2P systems * Performance evaluation of P2P systems * Trust and security issues in P2P systems * Network support for P2P systems * Fault tolerance in P2P systems * Data structures for P2P systems * Efficient P2P resource lookup and sharing * Distributed Hash Tables (DHTs) and related issues * Solutions to topology mismatching for P2P overlays * P2P overlays for NVEs * P2P NVE multicast * P2P NVE interoperability * P2P NVE content distribution * P2P NVE 3D streaming * P2P NVE voice communications * P2P NVE architecture designs * P2P NVE prototypes * P2P NVE consistency control * Persistent storage for P2P NVEs * Security and cheat-prevention mechanisms for P2P games * P2P control for mobile NVEs * P2P NVE applications on mobile devices ========================================== IMPORTANT DATES Submission: August 20, 2011 Notification: September 25, 2011 Camera ready: October 7, 2011 =========================================== PAPER SUBMISSION Authors are invited to submit an electronic version of original, unpublished manuscripts, not to exceed 8 double-columned, single-spaced pages, to the workshop. 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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam References: <20EE70D9-061A-47D1-822B-9DB392931520@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <20EE70D9-061A-47D1-822B-9DB392931520@nokia.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20EE70D9-061A-47D1-822B-9DB392931520@nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-HTW-SPAMINFO: this message was scanned by eXpurgate (http://www.eleven.de) X-HTW-DELIVERED-TO: sam@irtf.org Subject: [SAM] Fwd: [irtf-discuss] Final Agenda: IRTF Open Meeting at IETF-81 X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 15:10:46 -0000 FYI. Thomas -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [irtf-discuss] Final Agenda: IRTF Open Meeting at IETF-81 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 10:39:43 -0400 From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: irtf-discuss@irtf.org To: , , , Final Agenda IRTF Open Meeting Quebec City, Canada *Wednesday*, July 27, 2011, 9:00 - 11:30 (new time!) Slot lengths below indicate presentation+discussion time. State of the IRTF Lars Eggert 10+5 min Applied Networking Prize (ANRP) Awards 2x 20+10 min *** Beichuan Zhang *** for research into “green” traffic engineering: GreenTE: Power-Aware Traffic Engineering. Mingui Zhang, Cheng Yi, Bin Liu and Beichuan Zhang. Proc. IEEE International Conference on Network Protocols (ICNP), pp. 21–30, October 2010. Abstract: Given the high path redundancy and low link utilization in today's large networks, one may route traffic using fewer number of links so that other links can go sleep to conserve energy. In this work we design a traffic engineering mechanism that maximizes the number of links to sleep under certain performance constraints such as link utilization and packet delay. Using network topologies and traffic data from several wide-area networks, our evaluation demonstrates that GreenTE is both feasible and beneficial. *** Mattia Rossi *** for research into reducing BGP traffic: A Technique for Reducing BGP Update Announcements through Path Exploration Damping. Geoff Huston, Mattia Rossi and Grenville Armitage. IEEE Journal on Selected Areas in Communications (JSAC), Vol. 28, No. 8, pp. 1271–1286, October 2010. Abstract: Path Exploration Damping is intended as a replacement for MRAI and RFD, the two main mechanisms used in BGP that aim at a reduction of BGP update churn. This talk explains the motivation behind PED, outlines the algorithm and provides insight into experimental results. Presentation & discussion of proposals for new IRTF research groups Network Complexity Michael Beringer http://networkcomplexity.org/ 10+10 min Information-Centric Networking Dirk Kutscher & Börje Ohlman http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/irtf/trac/wiki/icnrg 10+10 min Learning-Capable Communication Networks Dimitri Papadimitriou https://sites.google.com/site/lccngroup/ 10+10 min If time permits: Energy Efficient Communication Rolf Winter & Jürgen Quittek From waehlisch@ieee.org Tue Jul 26 13:29:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EECD21F87AF for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:29:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.787 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.787 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.337, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w+jIaTcivIqQ for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B731A21F8757 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Envelope-to: sam@irtf.org Received: from dhcp-1247.meeting.ietf.org ([130.129.18.71] helo=mw-PC.meeting.ietf.org) by mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.72 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1QloFt-000OpH-LH for sam@irtf.org; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:29:30 +0200 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:29:29 -0400 (Eastern Sommerzeit) From: Matthias Waehlisch To: sam Message-ID: X-X-Sender: mw@mail2.rz.fhtw-berlin.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-HTW-SPAMINFO: this message was scanned by eXpurgate (http://www.eleven.de) X-HTW-DELIVERED-TO: sam@irtf.org Subject: [SAM] New Version Notification for draft-irtf-samrg-common-api-03.txt (fwd) X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:29:31 -0000 Hi folks, there is a new version of the Common Mcast API available: * http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-samrg-common-api-03 Changes include: 1. Added use case of multicast flavor support 2. Restructured Section 3 3. Major update on namespaces and on mapping 4. C signatures completed 5. Many clarifications and editorial improvements Feedback is welcome! See you Thursday matthias -- Matthias Waehlisch . Freie Universitaet Berlin, Inst. fuer Informatik, AG CST . Takustr. 9, D-14195 Berlin, Germany .. mailto:waehlisch@ieee.org .. http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~waehl :. Also: http://inet.cpt.haw-hamburg.de .. http://www.link-lab.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:24:01 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: mw@link-lab.net Cc: schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de, mw@link-lab.net, stig@cisco.com Subject: New Version Notification for draft-irtf-samrg-common-api-03.txt A new version of I-D, draft-irtf-samrg-common-api-03.txt has been successfully submitted by Matthias Waehlisch and posted to the IETF repository. Filename: draft-irtf-samrg-common-api Revision: 03 Title: A Common API for Transparent Hybrid Multicast Creation date: 2011-07-26 WG ID: Individual Submission Number of pages: 34 Abstract: Group communication services exist in a large variety of flavors, and technical implementations at different protocol layers. Multicast data distribution is most efficiently performed on the lowest available layer, but a heterogeneous deployment status of multicast technologies throughout the Internet requires an adaptive service binding at runtime. Today, it is difficult to write an application that runs everywhere and at the same time makes use of the most efficient multicast service available in the network. Facing robustness requirements, developers are frequently forced to use a stable, upper layer protocol provided by the application itself. This document describes a common multicast API that is suitable for transparent communication in underlay and overlay, and grants access to the different multicast flavors. It proposes an abstract naming by multicast URIs and discusses mapping mechanisms between different namespaces and distribution technologies. Additionally, it describes the application of this API for building gateways that interconnect current multicast domains throughout the Internet. The IETF Secretariat From buford@samrg.org Thu Jul 28 15:03:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1A711E812A for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:03:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.775 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.775 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E0noea3pF8kp for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8884511E807E for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 15:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 23208 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jul 2011 22:03:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host181.hostmonster.com) (74.220.207.181) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2011 22:03:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=samrg.org; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=POzTP/eo6IrOeZk1FUEdMjJT1MCykLoOJMPHkhXBYaw=; b=o49mjRc/nTXluba1gNmLANPzqVPA422n+ccnx9cg7+hQZ4b2PWcPtORohMuiLkIcMP3XtTkXMwKcY6+6AiNcipV/ZMvTSJGOJQHEkkJAfo8KCyEb/xinxLrH639hSKnQ; Received: from dhcp-14a1.meeting.ietf.org ([130.129.20.161] helo=AGILON) by host181.hostmonster.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QmYg9-0000uj-Ht; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:03:41 -0600 From: "John Buford" To: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:03:40 -0400 Message-ID: <030501cc4d72$366263d0$a3272b70$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0306_01CC4D50.AF50C3D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-index: AcxNcjM8YMOSyFvQRpqMz2whrkZoXw== Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AAF+ A/Ma CO55 Cnxo D3Rh D3ys K0G9 MCsa MC+z NsHi N+Gz OpaI PbUu Qg4r RdPe TSDn; 2; YgB1AGYAbwByAGQAQABzAGEAbQByAGcALgBvAHIAZwA7AHMAYQBtAEAAaQByAHQAZgAuAG8AcgBnAA==; Sosha1_v1; 7; {44E94570-15DA-4E6E-9CF1-1FBEED4BC019}; YgB1AGYAbwByAGQAQABzAGEAbQByAGcALgBvAHIAZwA=; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:03:36 GMT; ZAByAGEAZgB0AC0AcwBhAG0AcgBnAC0AcwBhAG0ALQBiAGEAcwBlAGwAaQBuAGUALQBwAHIAbwB0AG8AYwBvAGwALQAwADAA x-cr-puzzleid: {44E94570-15DA-4E6E-9CF1-1FBEED4BC019} X-Identified-User: {2055:host181.hostmonster.com:samrgorg:samrg.org} {sentby:smtp auth 130.129.20.161 authed with buford@samrg.org} Subject: [SAM] draft-samrg-sam-baseline-protocol-00 X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 22:03:56 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0306_01CC4D50.AF50C3D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This ID on "Application Layer Multicast Extensions to RELOAD" can be accessed here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-samrg-sam-baseline-protocol/ and replaces draft-kolberg-sam-baseline-protocol-01 per previous adoption by the RG. 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per previous adoption by the RG.

 

John

------=_NextPart_000_0306_01CC4D50.AF50C3D0-- From Ronald.intVelt@tno.nl Thu Jul 28 16:54:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C49F11E8127 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:54:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lWAWzoEIo7kg for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:54:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailoutb.tno.nl (mailoutb.tno.nl [134.221.1.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487A411E809C for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:53:59 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,285,1309730400"; d="scan'208,217";a="12896447" Received: from unknown (HELO mail.tno.nl) ([134.221.225.221]) by mailhost1b.tno.nl with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2011 01:53:58 +0200 Received: from EXC-MBX02.tsn.tno.nl ([169.254.2.196]) by EXC-CASHUB02.tsn.tno.nl ([134.221.225.221]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:53:58 +0200 From: "Velt, R. (Ronald) in 't" To: "'sam@irtf.org'" Thread-Topic: Simplified Multicast Forwarding Thread-Index: AcxNgRRGUghCk6PcSc6c3ufNjgmybQ== Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:53:57 +0000 Message-ID: <72FB622921C13746AD6349E70A8D9F3031E56BC6@EXC-MBX02.tsn.tno.nl> Accept-Language: en-US, nl-NL Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [134.221.225.191] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_72FB622921C13746AD6349E70A8D9F3031E56BC6EXCMBX02tsntnon_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [SAM] Simplified Multicast Forwarding X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:54:00 -0000 --_000_72FB622921C13746AD6349E70A8D9F3031E56BC6EXCMBX02tsntnon_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, This is the work on multicast /smart flooding going on the MANET WG, as I j= ust mentioned in the meeting: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-smf/ Regards, Ronald in 't Velt This e-mail and its contents are subject to the DISCLAIMER at http://www.tn= o.nl/emaildisclaimer --_000_72FB622921C13746AD6349E70A8D9F3031E56BC6EXCMBX02tsntnon_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

This is the work on multicast /= smart flooding going on the MANET WG, as I just mentioned in the meeting:

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-= ietf-manet-smf/

 

Regards,

Ronald in 't Velt

 

This e-mail and its contents are subject to the DI= SCLAIMER at http://www.tno.nl/emaildisclaimer --_000_72FB622921C13746AD6349E70A8D9F3031E56BC6EXCMBX02tsntnon_-- From schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de Fri Jul 29 10:19:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0D221F8B4D for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:19:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.337 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.337 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZE2JrsHu1GaC for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1966121F8866 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Envelope-to: sam@irtf.org Received: from dhcp-53c2.meeting.ietf.org ([130.129.83.194]) by mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Qmqim-000Ize-CU for sam@irtf.org; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 19:19:36 +0200 Message-ID: <4E32EBAC.6020602@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:19:40 -0400 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam@irtf.org References: <72FB622921C13746AD6349E70A8D9F3031E56BC6@EXC-MBX02.tsn.tno.nl> In-Reply-To: <72FB622921C13746AD6349E70A8D9F3031E56BC6@EXC-MBX02.tsn.tno.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-HTW-SPAMINFO: this message was scanned by eXpurgate (http://www.eleven.de) X-HTW-DELIVERED-TO: sam@irtf.org Subject: Re: [SAM] Simplified Multicast Forwarding X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 17:19:41 -0000 Hi Ronald, all, thanks for the pointer: from the perspective of SAM it maybe interesting to work on integration with the fixed Internet. Does anybody know about approaches to glue IP multicast with MANET mcast? Best regards, Thomas On 28.07.2011 19:53, Velt, R. (Ronald) in 't wrote: > Hi, > > This is the work on multicast /smart flooding going on the MANET WG, as > I just mentioned in the meeting: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-smf/ > > Regards, > > Ronald in 't Velt > > This e-mail and its contents are subject to the DISCLAIMER at > http://www.tno.nl/emaildisclaimer > > > _______________________________________________ > SAM mailing list > SAM@irtf.org > http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam -- Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt ° Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner Tor 7 ° ° Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, Germany ° ° http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: +49-40-42875-8452 ° ° http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: +49-40-42875-8409 ° From schmidt@informatik.haw-hamburg.de Fri Jul 29 10:31:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3246021F8B79 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:31:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.589 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.829, BAYES_05=-1.11, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yR8BQbrVM7Jt for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de (mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de [141.45.10.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9253D21F8B4C for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Envelope-to: sam@irtf.org Received: from dhcp-53c2.meeting.ietf.org ([130.129.83.194]) by mail2.rz.htw-berlin.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1QmquZ-000KVj-D4 for sam@irtf.org; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 19:31:47 +0200 Message-ID: <4E32EE88.1000901@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 13:31:52 -0400 From: "Thomas C. Schmidt" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-HTW-SPAMINFO: this message was scanned by eXpurgate (http://www.eleven.de) X-HTW-DELIVERED-TO: sam@irtf.org Subject: [SAM] Slides and minutes online X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 17:31:49 -0000 Hi all, slides & minutes are online, now: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/81/materials.html#wg-SAMRG Have a safe trip home Thomas -- Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt ° Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner Tor 7 ° ° Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, Germany ° ° http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: +49-40-42875-8452 ° ° http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: +49-40-42875-8409 ° From Ronald.intVelt@tno.nl Fri Jul 29 11:11:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sam@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E32821F8B14 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 11:11:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.504 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.504 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_NL=0.55, HOST_EQ_NL=1.545] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IFFXGOEQB+a1 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 11:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailouta.tno.nl (mailouta.tno.nl [134.221.1.16]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465C221F86C7 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 11:11:40 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,288,1309730400"; d="scan'208";a="55576726" Received: from unknown (HELO mail.tno.nl) ([134.221.225.222]) by mailhost1a.tno.nl with ESMTP; 29 Jul 2011 20:11:34 +0200 Received: from EXC-MBX02.tsn.tno.nl ([169.254.2.196]) by EXC-CASHUB03.tsn.tno.nl ([134.221.225.222]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 20:11:34 +0200 From: "Velt, R. (Ronald) in 't" To: "Thomas C. Schmidt" , "sam@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: [SAM] Simplified Multicast Forwarding Thread-Index: AcxNgRRGUghCk6PcSc6c3ufNjgmybQAgdscAAAU601A= Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:11:34 +0000 Message-ID: <72FB622921C13746AD6349E70A8D9F3031E56D67@EXC-MBX02.tsn.tno.nl> References: <72FB622921C13746AD6349E70A8D9F3031E56BC6@EXC-MBX02.tsn.tno.nl> <4E32EBAC.6020602@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> In-Reply-To: <4E32EBAC.6020602@informatik.haw-hamburg.de> Accept-Language: en-US, nl-NL Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [134.221.225.153] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [SAM] Simplified Multicast Forwarding X-BeenThere: sam@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: "For use by members of the Scalable Adaptive Multicast \(SAM\) RG" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 18:11:41 -0000 Hi Thomas, all, (see below) > -----Original Message----- > From: sam-bounces@irtf.org [mailto:sam-bounces@irtf.org] On Behalf Of > Thomas C. Schmidt > Sent: vrijdag 29 juli 2011 19:20 > To: sam@irtf.org > Subject: Re: [SAM] Simplified Multicast Forwarding >=20 > Hi Ronald, all, >=20 > thanks for the pointer: from the perspective of SAM it maybe interesting = to > work on integration with the fixed Internet. >=20 > Does anybody know about approaches to glue IP multicast with MANET > mcast? Funny you should ask, since I suggested this as a potential work item durin= g a discussion on future work in this week's MANET meeting. Also see this M= L thread: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/manet/current/msg12144.html Thomas Henderson provided these references: [1] Chakeres, Ian D.; Danilov, Claudiu; Henderson, Thomas R.; Macker, Josep= h P.; , "Connecting MANET Multicast," Military Communications Conference, 2= 007. MILCOM 2007. IEEE , vol., no., pp.1-7, 29-31 Oct. 2007 [2] Danilov, C.; Henderson, T.R.; Spagnolo, P.A.; Goff, T.; Kim, J.H.; , "M= ANET multicast with multiple gateways," Military Communications Conference,= 2008. MILCOM 2008. IEEE , vol., no., pp.1-8, 16-19 Nov. 2008 I haven't had time yet to read these papers, but I am going to, soon. Best regards, Ronald in 't Velt >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Thomas >=20 > On 28.07.2011 19:53, Velt, R. (Ronald) in 't wrote: > > Hi, > > > > This is the work on multicast /smart flooding going on the MANET WG, > > as I just mentioned in the meeting: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-manet-smf/ > > > > Regards, > > > > Ronald in 't Velt > > > > This e-mail and its contents are subject to the DISCLAIMER at > > http://www.tno.nl/emaildisclaimer > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SAM mailing list > > SAM@irtf.org > > http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam >=20 > -- >=20 > Prof. Dr. Thomas C. Schmidt > =B0 Hamburg University of Applied Sciences Berliner Tor= 7 =B0 > =B0 Dept. Informatik, Internet Technologies Group 20099 Hamburg, Germa= ny > =B0 > =B0 http://www.haw-hamburg.de/inet Fon: +49-40-42875-84= 52 =B0 > =B0 http://www.informatik.haw-hamburg.de/~schmidt Fax: +49-40-42875- > 8409 =B0 > _______________________________________________ > SAM mailing list > SAM@irtf.org > http://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/sam