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----3E21BAEEDD9B4270-- From bidulock@openss7.org Thu Oct 7 08:16:49 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA09813 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CFXMC-0008Em-Q2 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:26:53 -0400 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com (171.68.223.138) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2004 05:17:04 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i97CFgqg018156; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i97CF6Z4020379 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410071215.i97CF6Z4020379@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097151306-20368-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] sctp performance List-Id: sctp-impl To: Salvatore Loreto From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" Cc: lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, alefelici@libero.it, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com, pawel.hadam@imag.fr X-Nails-Approved: bidulock@openss7.org Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:11:29 -0600 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 36b1f8810cb91289d885dc8ab4fc8172 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097151306-20368-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Salvatore, Performance tests on a clean network do not exercise SCTP's strong points. SCTP was not really intended to outperform TCP on a clean network with a single interface: it was intended to outperform TCP on a real network with noise, failures and reconfiguration. If you look at even single stream tests under noise SCTP rapidly outperforms TCP in dirty networks. The SOCK_SEQPACKET test deviation from theoretical is probably more of a software glitch in bundling, Nagle'ing and Minshall'ing in the OpenSS7 stack more than a problem with the protocol (that was noted in the results). The SOCK_STREAM tests on a single interface did outperform TCP, however, note that the tests saturated the network and both are running very close to theoretical maximums. The interesting thing about the OpenSS7 tests were the multiple interface tests on SOCK_STREAM, that showed that max throughput was a multiple of the number of available interfaces. Once TCP saturates a single interface it has nowhere else to go. SCTP can load multiple interfaces to saturation. These were throughput tests. Latency tests show SCTP has comparable results to TCP (with slight improvements) on clean networks, and SCTP exhibits significant reduced latencies to TCP under even as little as 5% noise. On distrupted networks (50% interface failure on a 1 or 2 second duty cycle) TCP stops and SCTP continues. There are a lot of good papers out there testing more real environments as well as NS-2 simulations that demonstrate the benefits of SCTP over TCP for its original intended application, telephony signalling. Search on "SCTP Performance" and you can read for the better part of a day. --brian On Thu, 07 Oct 2004, Salvatore Loreto wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > reading the experiments on SCTP performance > > > > LKSCTP > > [1]http://datatag.web.cern.ch/datatag/WP3/sctp/tests.htm > > OPENSS7 > [2]http://www.openss7.org/sctp_perf.html > > > > If we ignore the gap underline between TCP and SCTP in LKSCTP, > becose due to implementation problem ( and I think now the > situation is better, isn't it? does someone have up to date results > about?) > > and use just the result underline on OPENSSS7 > > > > I've some questions/doubts and I'd like know you opinion about: > > > > 1) the test SCTP with 1 interface shows a substanzial equivalent to > TCP. > > Is it possible SCTP with 1 interface is TCP, or if you want if there > is not HoL block there are not difference between two protocols due > to the same congestion algorithm. > > > > 2) SCTP with 2 interface has a better performance just for message > size greater than 64-byte. > > But SCTP was born for Signaling transport, and signaling messages are > yes lager than 64-bye but not very large. > > > > when in the experiment is used SOCK_SEQPACKET > > 3) the real start up with 1 or 2 interfaces are both worse than the > Theoretical one. The strange is the reale one with 2 interfaces is > worse than the reale one with just one interface. > > 4) similar considerations ( done above ) could be done also for the > other phases . So SOCK_SEQPACKET seems not so good. > > > > > > regards > > sal > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > [3]Yahoo! Mail ti protegge gratis dalla posta indesiderata e dai > virus! > > References > > 1. http://datatag.web.cern.ch/datatag/WP3/sctp/tests.htm > 2. http://www.openss7.org/sctp_perf.html > 3. http://it.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/*http://it.mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > tsvwg mailing list > tsvwg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg -- Brian F. G. Bidulock � The reasonable man adapts himself to the � bidulock@openss7.org � world; the unreasonable one persists in � http://www.openss7.org/ � trying to adapt the world to himself. � � Therefore all progress depends on the � � unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw � ------------=_1097151306-20368-0-- From rrs@cisco.com Thu Oct 7 08:54:16 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA12458 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CFXwR-0002IM-CM for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:04:20 -0400 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2004 06:01:31 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i97CrDwp007931; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i97CquZ4020983 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410071252.i97CquZ4020983@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097153575-20981-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] sctp performance List-Id: sctp-impl To: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" , Salvatore Loreto From: Randall Stewart Cc: lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, alefelici@libero.it, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com, pawel.hadam@imag.fr X-Nails-Approved: rrs@cisco.com Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:50:02 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b7d60495f1a7f2e853e8cbae7e6dbfc This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097153575-20981-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Brian/Salvatore: Just a couple of comments... Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > Salvatore, > > Performance tests on a clean network do not exercise SCTP's strong > points. SCTP was not really intended to outperform TCP on a clean > network with a single interface: it was intended to outperform TCP on a > real network with noise, failures and reconfiguration. If you look at > even single stream tests under noise SCTP rapidly outperforms TCP in > dirty networks. > > The SOCK_SEQPACKET test deviation from theoretical is probably more of a > software glitch in bundling, Nagle'ing and Minshall'ing in the OpenSS7 > stack more than a problem with the protocol (that was noted in the > results). I would tend to agree with Brian here.. SOCK_SEQPACKET is really an implementation shade.. In KAME other than controlling a few minor things all the same code runs... so it sould make very little difference.... > > The SOCK_STREAM tests on a single interface did outperform TCP, however, > note that the tests saturated the network and both are running very > close to theoretical maximums. > > The interesting thing about the OpenSS7 tests were the multiple > interface tests on SOCK_STREAM, that showed that max throughput was a > multiple of the number of available interfaces. Once TCP saturates > a single interface it has nowhere else to go. SCTP can load multiple > interfaces to saturation. > > These were throughput tests. Latency tests show SCTP has comparable > results to TCP (with slight improvements) on clean networks, and > SCTP exhibits significant reduced latencies to TCP under even as little > as 5% noise. On distrupted networks (50% interface failure on a 1 or > 2 second duty cycle) TCP stops and SCTP continues. > > There are a lot of good papers out there testing more real environments > as well as NS-2 simulations that demonstrate the benefits of SCTP over > TCP for its original intended application, telephony signalling. Search > on "SCTP Performance" and you can read for the better part of a day. > A couple of other things: a) The CERN tests were done on an OLD OLD OLD version of lk-sctp which was NOT performance tuned at all.. I am not even sure if they have completed a pass yet of tuning.. I know its on their to-do list. b) IPERF ... which is used on both sites.. to me.. is NOT a very good benchmark. SCTP sends "messages" from one end to the other. TCP sends a byte stream from one end to the other. You then take and use IPERF to test the number of bytes streaming from one end to the other. This puts SCTP at a dis-advantage. Especially considering that MOST ALL applications send messages NOT streams of bytes. So if you added some additional overhead to TCP.. say framing messages at the app layer.. this would slow TCP down I would wager. I have always wanted to develop a variable message sender that could send a sequence of variable messages and get a reading of messages per second for various sizes.... c) CRC32c is extremely expensive (in overall terms of CPU use) on the TCP side they generally have an off-load engine they can use to not even do the c-sum... so in such a case when you begin to get CPU limited SCTP will lag behind TCP... just on the checksum basis alone. Bottom line is once you get CRC32c offload SCTP will be able to do a bit better :-D Regards R > --brian > > On Thu, 07 Oct 2004, Salvatore Loreto wrote: > > >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> reading the experiments on SCTP performance >> >> >> >> LKSCTP >> >> [1]http://datatag.web.cern.ch/datatag/WP3/sctp/tests.htm >> >> OPENSS7 >> [2]http://www.openss7.org/sctp_perf.html >> >> >> >> If we ignore the gap underline between TCP and SCTP in LKSCTP, >> becose due to implementation problem ( and I think now the >> situation is better, isn't it? does someone have up to date results >> about?) >> >> and use just the result underline on OPENSSS7 >> >> >> >> I've some questions/doubts and I'd like know you opinion about: >> >> >> >> 1) the test SCTP with 1 interface shows a substanzial equivalent to >> TCP. >> >> Is it possible SCTP with 1 interface is TCP, or if you want if there >> is not HoL block there are not difference between two protocols due >> to the same congestion algorithm. >> >> >> >> 2) SCTP with 2 interface has a better performance just for message >> size greater than 64-byte. >> >> But SCTP was born for Signaling transport, and signaling messages are >> yes lager than 64-bye but not very large. >> >> >> >> when in the experiment is used SOCK_SEQPACKET >> >> 3) the real start up with 1 or 2 interfaces are both worse than the >> Theoretical one. The strange is the reale one with 2 interfaces is >> worse than the reale one with just one interface. >> >> 4) similar considerations ( done above ) could be done also for the >> other phases . So SOCK_SEQPACKET seems not so good. >> >> >> >> >> >> regards >> >> sal >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> [3]Yahoo! Mail ti protegge gratis dalla posta indesiderata e dai >> virus! >> >>References >> >> 1. http://datatag.web.cern.ch/datatag/WP3/sctp/tests.htm >> 2. http://www.openss7.org/sctp_perf.html >> 3. http://it.rd.yahoo.com/mail/taglines/*http://it.mail.yahoo.com > > >>_______________________________________________ >>tsvwg mailing list >>tsvwg@ietf.org >>https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg > > > -- Randall Stewart ITD 803-345-0369 815-342-5222 ------------=_1097153575-20981-0-- From Pawel.Hadam@imag.fr Thu Oct 7 09:51:01 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA16486 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CFYpM-00060f-Li for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:01:06 -0400 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2004 06:55:40 -0700 Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i97Do8EE004561; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i97DntZ4021827 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410071349.i97DntZ4021827@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097156995-21825-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] sctp performance List-Id: sctp-impl To: Randall Stewart From: Pawel Hadam Cc: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" , Salvatore Loreto , lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, alefelici@libero.it, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com X-Nails-Approved: Pawel.Hadam@imag.fr Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:25:56 +0200 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b22590c27682ace61775ee7b453b40d3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097156995-21825-0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Hi > a) The CERN tests were done on an OLD OLD OLD version of lk-sctp which > was NOT performance tuned at all.. I am not even sure if they have > completed a pass yet of tuning.. I know its on their to-do list. I was working with linux kernel 2.6.7 with lkSCTP 1.0.1 and I obtained much better results. > I have always wanted to develop a variable message sender that could > send a sequence of variable messages and get a reading of messages > per second for various sizes.... Sounds like my own testing apps. I wrote a sender and receiver that accept some customization parameters (message size, buffers). I wrote a raport about my measurements and experiments with lkSCTP on 1Gb network, but: 1) It is now being read by my supervisors. 2) It is in french :) - I really am sorry, it was written for a french project. Once the raport finished, I will, I hope, try to publish something in this subject. If anybody wants the french version, I may send him the PDF (there are a lot of pictures :))). Any comments are always welcome. 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i97ERXZ4022390 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410071427.i97ERXZ4022390@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097159252-22382-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] sctp performance List-Id: sctp-impl To: Randall Stewart From: Pawel Hadam Cc: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" , Salvatore Loreto , lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, alefelici@libero.it, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com X-Nails-Approved: Pawel.Hadam@imag.fr Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 16:03:33 +0200 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097159252-22382-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary (I am sorry for my previous, signed e-mail) Hi > a) The CERN tests were done on an OLD OLD OLD version of lk-sctp which > was NOT performance tuned at all.. I am not even sure if they have > completed a pass yet of tuning.. I know its on their to-do list. I was working with linux kernel 2.6.7 with lkSCTP 1.0.1 and I obtained much better results. > I have always wanted to develop a variable message sender that could > send a sequence of variable messages and get a reading of messages > per second for various sizes.... Sounds like my own testing apps. I wrote a sender and receiver that accept some customization parameters (message size, buffers). I wrote a raport about my measurements and experiments with lkSCTP on 1Gb network, but: 1) It is now being read by my supervisors. 2) It is in french :) - I really am sorry, it was written for a french project. Once the raport finished, I will, I hope, try to publish something in this subject. If anybody wants the french version, I may send him the PDF (there are a lot of pictures :))). Any comments are always welcome. Regards Pawel ------------=_1097159252-22382-0-- From bidulock@openss7.org Thu Oct 7 11:26:49 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA26527 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CFaK7-00042O-LJ for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:36:55 -0400 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2004 08:34:04 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i97FPlEE017751; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i97FPQZ4023222 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410071525.i97FPQZ4023222@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097162726-23220-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] sctp performance List-Id: sctp-impl To: Pawel Hadam From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" Cc: Randall Stewart , Salvatore Loreto , lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, alefelici@libero.it, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com X-Nails-Approved: bidulock@openss7.org Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:21:46 -0600 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097162726-23220-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Pawel, Please send me a copy of the report when it is available. Thank you. --brian On Thu, 07 Oct 2004, Pawel Hadam wrote: > (I am sorry for my previous, signed e-mail) > > Hi > > > a) The CERN tests were done on an OLD OLD OLD version of lk-sctp which > > was NOT performance tuned at all.. I am not even sure if they have > > completed a pass yet of tuning.. I know its on their to-do list. > > > I was working with linux kernel 2.6.7 with lkSCTP 1.0.1 and I obtained > much better results. > > > I have always wanted to develop a variable message sender that could > > send a sequence of variable messages and get a reading of messages > > per second for various sizes.... > > > Sounds like my own testing apps. I wrote a sender and receiver that > accept some customization parameters (message size, buffers). > > I wrote a raport about my measurements and experiments with lkSCTP on > 1Gb network, but: > > 1) It is now being read by my supervisors. > 2) It is in french :) - I really am sorry, it was written for a french > project. > > Once the raport finished, I will, I hope, try to publish something in > this subject. > > If anybody wants the french version, I may send him the PDF (there are a > lot of pictures :))). Any comments are always welcome. > > Regards > Pawel -- Brian F. G. Bidulock � The reasonable man adapts himself to the � bidulock@openss7.org � world; the unreasonable one persists in � http://www.openss7.org/ � trying to adapt the world to himself. � � Therefore all progress depends on the � � unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw � ------------=_1097162726-23220-0-- From iyengar@mail.eecis.udel.edu Thu Oct 7 11:54:58 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA28910 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CFalL-0005SV-Br for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 12:05:04 -0400 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2004 08:59:35 -0700 Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i97Fs3dV026102; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i97FrlZ4023642 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410071553.i97FrlZ4023642@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097164426-23638-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] sctp performance List-Id: sctp-impl To: Pawel Hadam From: Janardhan Iyengar Cc: Randall Stewart , "Brian F. G. Bidulock" , Salvatore Loreto , lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, alefelici@libero.it, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com X-Nails-Approved: iyengar@mail.eecis.udel.edu Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:41:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 244a2fd369eaf00ce6820a760a3de2e8 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097164426-23638-0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Hi, Just adding another pointer - Sourabh Ladha had some (throughput) results on the KAME stack on FreeBSD 4.6 (TCP NewReno): http://www.cis.udel.edu/~amer/PEL/poc/pdf/IPCCC2004-ladha.FTP.over.SCTP.pdf regards, jana On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Pawel Hadam wrote: > (I am sorry for my previous, signed e-mail) > > Hi > > > a) The CERN tests were done on an OLD OLD OLD version of lk-sctp which > > was NOT performance tuned at all.. I am not even sure if they have > > completed a pass yet of tuning.. I know its on their to-do list. > > > I was working with linux kernel 2.6.7 with lkSCTP 1.0.1 and I obtained > much better results. > > > I have always wanted to develop a variable message sender that could > > send a sequence of variable messages and get a reading of messages > > per second for various sizes.... > > > Sounds like my own testing apps. I wrote a sender and receiver that > accept some customization parameters (message size, buffers). > > I wrote a raport about my measurements and experiments with lkSCTP on > 1Gb network, but: > > 1) It is now being read by my supervisors. > 2) It is in french :) - I really am sorry, it was written for a french > project. > > Once the raport finished, I will, I hope, try to publish something in > this subject. > > If anybody wants the french version, I may send him the PDF (there are a > lot of pictures :))). Any comments are always welcome. > > Regards > Pawel > --------------------------------------------------------------- Janardhan R. Iyengar http://www.cis.udel.edu/~iyengar Protocol Engineering Lab -- CIS -- University Of Delaware --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------=_1097164426-23638-0-- From bidulock@openss7.org Thu Oct 7 12:00:27 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA29533 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CFaqf-0005rH-7F for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 12:10:33 -0400 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2004 09:15:05 +0000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i97Fxcwp009601; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i97FxWZ4023738 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410071559.i97FxWZ4023738@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097164771-23730-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] sctp performance List-Id: sctp-impl To: Janardhan Iyengar From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" Cc: Pawel Hadam , Randall Stewart , Salvatore Loreto , lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, alefelici@libero.it, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com X-Nails-Approved: bidulock@openss7.org Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:55:56 -0600 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b280b4db656c3ca28dd62e5e0b03daa8 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097164771-23730-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Janardhan, Interesting: at 0% probability of loss, single homed KAME SCTP performed poorer than TCP. It looks like SCTP implementors still have something to learn from TCP implementors in some cases. SCTP wasn't really aimed exclusively at greater than 3% message loss networks... Signalling networks normally have far better than 1ppm BER. --brian On Thu, 07 Oct 2004, Janardhan Iyengar wrote: > Hi, > > Just adding another pointer - > > Sourabh Ladha had some (throughput) results on the KAME stack on FreeBSD > 4.6 (TCP NewReno): > http://www.cis.udel.edu/~amer/PEL/poc/pdf/IPCCC2004-ladha.FTP.over.SCTP.pdf > > regards, > jana > > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Pawel Hadam wrote: > > > (I am sorry for my previous, signed e-mail) > > > > Hi > > > > > a) The CERN tests were done on an OLD OLD OLD version of lk-sctp which > > > was NOT performance tuned at all.. I am not even sure if they have > > > completed a pass yet of tuning.. I know its on their to-do list. > > > > > > I was working with linux kernel 2.6.7 with lkSCTP 1.0.1 and I obtained > > much better results. > > > > > I have always wanted to develop a variable message sender that could > > > send a sequence of variable messages and get a reading of messages > > > per second for various sizes.... > > > > > > Sounds like my own testing apps. I wrote a sender and receiver that > > accept some customization parameters (message size, buffers). > > > > I wrote a raport about my measurements and experiments with lkSCTP on > > 1Gb network, but: > > > > 1) It is now being read by my supervisors. > > 2) It is in french :) - I really am sorry, it was written for a french > > project. > > > > Once the raport finished, I will, I hope, try to publish something in > > this subject. > > > > If anybody wants the french version, I may send him the PDF (there are a > > lot of pictures :))). Any comments are always welcome. > > > > Regards > > Pawel > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Janardhan R. Iyengar http://www.cis.udel.edu/~iyengar > Protocol Engineering Lab -- CIS -- University Of Delaware > --------------------------------------------------------------- -- Brian F. G. Bidulock � The reasonable man adapts himself to the � bidulock@openss7.org � world; the unreasonable one persists in � http://www.openss7.org/ � trying to adapt the world to himself. � � Therefore all progress depends on the � � unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw � ------------=_1097164771-23730-0-- From Pawel.Hadam@imag.fr Thu Oct 7 13:14:44 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA05985 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CFc0W-0002QE-9q for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:24:48 -0400 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2004 10:19:24 -0700 Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i97HDqdV018190; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i97HDZZ4024815 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410071713.i97HDZZ4024815@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097169214-24813-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: sctp performance List-Id: sctp-impl To: salvatore.loreto@ieee.org From: Pawel Hadam Cc: lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, alefelici@libero.it, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com X-Nails-Approved: Pawel.Hadam@imag.fr Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 18:49:35 +0200 X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Scan-Signature: 6d95a152022472c7d6cdf886a0424dc6 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097169214-24813-0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Hi > OPENSS7 > http://www.openss7.org/sctp_perf.html I am interested in a case with 2 interfaces. How did they do the load-balancing between 2 interfaces? It was on SCTP or application (iperf ???) level ??? Does anybody know? 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i97HIfZ4024896 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410071718.i97HIfZ4024896@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097169520-24894-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] sctp performance List-Id: sctp-impl To: bidulock@openss7.org From: Randall Stewart Cc: Janardhan Iyengar , Pawel Hadam , Salvatore Loreto , lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, alefelici@libero.it, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com X-Nails-Approved: rrs@cisco.com Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:17:15 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 22bbb45ef41b733eb2d03ee71ece8243 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097169520-24894-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > Janardhan, > > Interesting: at 0% probability of loss, single homed KAME SCTP performed > poorer than TCP. It looks like SCTP implementors still have something to > learn from TCP implementors in some cases. SCTP wasn't really aimed > exclusively at greater than 3% message loss networks... Signalling networks > normally have far better than 1ppm BER. Hmm.. The results are interesting.. but I think your 3% figure is a bit off.. Thats only one of the many graphs present... Some considerations of these results: a) Netbsd does NOT apply maxburst in TCP. So this will definetly influence small transfers... and if you note the larger the transfer the less the difference between the graphs.. in fact the 1Meg transfer in the later pages looks like possibly SCTP in all cases did better instead of in 2 out of 3 cases as it did in all others. b) Note that at ALL times if you use all of sctp .. multi-streaming etc. it does better.. it is only one of the 3 graphs that is slower in small transfers. c) 2002 was about the time I was performance optimizing KAME.. which actually needs to have a second pass... so I am not really sure which version Sourabh was actually using... d) Considering the very very little difference between TCP and SCTP even in these cases .. thats pretty darn good.. especially when you consider that the netbsd stack as been tweaked and tuned for at least 10 years... and KAME was about 1 - 1.5 years when Sourabh did this work... all in all I think the results quite positive :-D Note to Salvatore: Yes KAME does have H-S TCP in it.. its a configurable option when you compile it. And no I have no papers on any results since my focus as been in other places then that :-0 R > > > --brian > > On Thu, 07 Oct 2004, Janardhan Iyengar wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>Just adding another pointer - >> >>Sourabh Ladha had some (throughput) results on the KAME stack on FreeBSD >>4.6 (TCP NewReno): >>http://www.cis.udel.edu/~amer/PEL/poc/pdf/IPCCC2004-ladha.FTP.over.SCTP.pdf >> >>regards, >>jana >> >>On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Pawel Hadam wrote: >> >> >>>(I am sorry for my previous, signed e-mail) >>> >>>Hi >>> >>> > a) The CERN tests were done on an OLD OLD OLD version of lk-sctp which >>> > was NOT performance tuned at all.. I am not even sure if they have >>> > completed a pass yet of tuning.. I know its on their to-do list. >>> >>> >>>I was working with linux kernel 2.6.7 with lkSCTP 1.0.1 and I obtained >>>much better results. >>> >>> > I have always wanted to develop a variable message sender that could >>> > send a sequence of variable messages and get a reading of messages >>> > per second for various sizes.... >>> >>> >>>Sounds like my own testing apps. I wrote a sender and receiver that >>>accept some customization parameters (message size, buffers). >>> >>>I wrote a raport about my measurements and experiments with lkSCTP on >>>1Gb network, but: >>> >>>1) It is now being read by my supervisors. >>>2) It is in french :) - I really am sorry, it was written for a french >>>project. >>> >>>Once the raport finished, I will, I hope, try to publish something in >>>this subject. >>> >>>If anybody wants the french version, I may send him the PDF (there are a >>>lot of pictures :))). Any comments are always welcome. >>> >>>Regards >>>Pawel >>> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------- >>Janardhan R. Iyengar http://www.cis.udel.edu/~iyengar >>Protocol Engineering Lab -- CIS -- University Of Delaware >>--------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- Randall Stewart ITD 803-345-0369 815-342-5222 ------------=_1097169520-24894-0-- From bidulock@openss7.org Thu Oct 7 22:11:33 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA26641 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CFkO8-0007BR-5D for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2004 22:21:44 -0400 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2004 19:11:47 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i982ASbV017116; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 19:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9829vZ4002736 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 7 Oct 2004 19:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410080209.i9829vZ4002736@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097201397-2727-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] Re: sctp performance List-Id: sctp-impl To: Pawel Hadam From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" Cc: salvatore.loreto@ieee.org, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, tsvwg@ietf.org, lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, alefelici@libero.it X-Nails-Approved: bidulock@openss7.org Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:06:09 -0600 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097201397-2727-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Pawel, The load balancing is performed in the SCTP implementation. It's the same algorithm that allowed us to acheive 20ms nominal fail-over times between interfaces in lmco's testing. --brian On Thu, 07 Oct 2004, Pawel Hadam wrote: > Hi > > > OPENSS7 > > http://www.openss7.org/sctp_perf.html > > I am interested in a case with 2 interfaces. > How did they do the load-balancing between 2 interfaces? > It was on SCTP or application (iperf ???) level ??? > > Does anybody know? > > Pawel > > _______________________________________________ > tsvwg mailing list > tsvwg@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tsvwg -- Brian F. G. Bidulock � The reasonable man adapts himself to the � bidulock@openss7.org � world; the unreasonable one persists in � http://www.openss7.org/ � trying to adapt the world to himself. � � Therefore all progress depends on the � � unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw � ------------=_1097201397-2727-0-- From rrs@cisco.com Fri Oct 8 07:17:37 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14944 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 07:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CFsuV-00049B-Vq for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:27:54 -0400 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Oct 2004 04:22:18 -0700 Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i98BGPdV004438; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 04:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i98BFuZ4010866 for sctp-impl-filtered; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 04:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410081115.i98BFuZ4010866@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097234155-10857-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: socket api comment -09 List-Id: sctp-impl To: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com From: Randall Stewart X-Nails-Approved: rrs@cisco.com Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 07:14:34 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097234155-10857-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Hi all: I just noticed an error or two and maybe the lack of something while implementing sctp_sendx(). First of all the paragraph note at the end is a clone error and does not belong with sctp_sendx().... opps.. Second the type value for the sndrcvinfo parameter is const. I think this is incorrect since it would be nice if on return from this call the sndrcvinfo structure would have the association id populated in it. And lastly .. I think we need a utility function that is sctp_getassocid(int sd, struct sockaddr *); I realize you can easily build this using SCTP_PEER_ADDR_PARAMS but why not have a standard available method... I will provide this with KAME no matter if its in the socket api or not... but I think we should document it and standardize it... Comments? R -- Randall Stewart ITD 803-345-0369 815-342-5222 ------------=_1097234155-10857-0-- From bidulock@openss7.org Fri Oct 8 17:24:52 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA18448 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CG2OP-00058Z-0o for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:35:14 -0400 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Oct 2004 14:32:26 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i98LNrEE027186; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i98LNJZ4019774 for sctp-impl-filtered; Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410082123.i98LNJZ4019774@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097270598-19772-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [sctp performance] english version presentation List-Id: sctp-impl To: Pawel Hadam From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" Cc: Randall Stewart , Salvatore Loreto , lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, alefelici@libero.it, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com X-Nails-Approved: bidulock@openss7.org Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:19:45 -0600 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097270598-19772-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Pawel, Take a look at http://www.omg.org/news/meetings/workshops/RT_2003_Manual/Presentations/5-4_Thaker_etal.pdf which presents failover results nominal 10ms in test situations similar to your full mesh experiment on slide 35 of your presentation and also show much better 1% packet loss latencies. --brian On Fri, 08 Oct 2004, Pawel Hadam wrote: > Hi all > > Together with my report I did a presentation. It is in english, and it > presents the same work and the same results as described in the report. > > http://www-lsr.imag.fr/Les.Personnes/Pawel.Hadam/work/index.html > -> > "Multihoming & SCTP" > > Available as PPT and PDF > > Any comments are welcome. > > Regards > Pawel -- Brian F. G. 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Columbus, OH 43085 ----7005103798602271-- From rrs@cisco.com Tue Oct 12 08:36:58 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA15265 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CHM4S-0004BO-GU for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:48:05 -0400 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2004 05:36:50 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9CCZuYJ005245; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9CCZEZ4006566 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410121235.i9CCZEZ4006566@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097584513-6558-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Question for y'all on MSG_SENDALL List-Id: sctp-impl To: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com From: Randall Stewart X-Nails-Approved: rrs@cisco.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:33:26 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097584513-6558-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Hi all: I am busy implementing MSG_SENDALL.. very handy I might add :-D And I was wondering... do we want a notification when a MSG_SENDALL completes? Generally when doing something like this your not going to block and wait for the copy's to be done to all your association's (think of 1,000 or 10,000 associations under one endpoint)... so it might be best to have a notification that would come up telling you after all the copy's had been distributed that: 1) the kernel sent a copy of the message to N associations 2) the kernel failed to send a copy of the message to Y associations. Hopefully Y would be small or 0... but you never know if you had 10,000 assoc's you might run out of mbufs.... or?? Anyway.. just a thought... do we need such a critter? R -- Randall Stewart ITD 803-345-0369 815-342-5222 ------------=_1097584513-6558-0-- From kacheong.poon@sun.com Tue Oct 12 09:28:53 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA19316 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CHMsh-00057K-Vn for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:40:01 -0400 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com (171.68.223.138) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2004 06:28:30 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9CDRhmQ007910; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9CDRNZ4007336 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:27:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410121327.i9CDRNZ4007336@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097587643-7334-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: Question for y'all on MSG_SENDALL List-Id: sctp-impl To: Randall Stewart From: Kacheong Poon Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com X-Nails-Approved: kacheong.poon@sun.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:25:25 -0700 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097587643-7334-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Randall Stewart wrote: > And I was wondering... do we want a notification when > a MSG_SENDALL completes? > > > Generally when doing something like this your not going > to block and wait for the copy's to be done to all > your association's (think of 1,000 or 10,000 associations > under one endpoint)... so it might be best to have > a notification that would come up telling you after > all the copy's had been distributed that: > > 1) the kernel sent a copy of the message to N associations > 2) the kernel failed to send a copy of the message to Y associations. > > Hopefully Y would be small or 0... but you never know if you > had 10,000 assoc's you might run out of mbufs.... or?? I guess it is not useful to know the number Y without knowing which associations they are. And there is already the SCTP_SEND_FAILED notification so the app knows which send fails. I think the notification as you described is not needed. -- K. Poon. kacheong.poon@sun.com ------------=_1097587643-7334-0-- From iyengar@mail.eecis.udel.edu Tue Oct 12 10:43:01 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA25623 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CHO2T-0006hl-Dj for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:54:10 -0400 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2004 07:51:15 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9CEg0YJ006035; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9CEfmZ4008432 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410121441.i9CEfmZ4008432@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097592107-8424-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] sctp performance List-Id: sctp-impl To: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" From: Janardhan Iyengar Cc: "Paul D. Amer" , Randall Stewart , lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com X-Nails-Approved: iyengar@mail.eecis.udel.edu Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:30:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097592107-8424-0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Hi Brian/all, Sorry about the late reply - I was on a paper deadline. My thoughts have been voiced by Randy and Prof. Amer. The experiments were performed about 2 years ago, and performance tuning has happened since then in the KAME stack. > It looks like SCTP implementors still have something to learn from TCP > implementors in some cases. I'm not sure much else can replace performance tuning that happens with time and usage. That a new SCTP could match up to an aged TCP stack is quite good, I think. regards, jana --------------------------------------------------------------- Janardhan R. Iyengar http://www.cis.udel.edu/~iyengar Protocol Engineering Lab -- CIS -- University Of Delaware --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------=_1097592107-8424-0-- From rrs@cisco.com Tue Oct 12 10:49:07 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA26407 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CHO8M-0006p1-Ov for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:00:16 -0400 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2004 06:48:21 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9CDlagR002948; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9CDlJZ4007638 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410121347.i9CDlJZ4007638@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097588837-7636-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: Question for y'all on MSG_SENDALL List-Id: sctp-impl To: Kacheong Poon From: Randall Stewart Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com X-Nails-Approved: rrs@cisco.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:45:28 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097588837-7636-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Kacheong Poon wrote: > Randall Stewart wrote: > >> And I was wondering... do we want a notification when >> a MSG_SENDALL completes? >> >> >> Generally when doing something like this your not going >> to block and wait for the copy's to be done to all >> your association's (think of 1,000 or 10,000 associations >> under one endpoint)... so it might be best to have >> a notification that would come up telling you after >> all the copy's had been distributed that: >> >> 1) the kernel sent a copy of the message to N associations >> 2) the kernel failed to send a copy of the message to Y associations. >> >> Hopefully Y would be small or 0... but you never know if you >> had 10,000 assoc's you might run out of mbufs.... or?? > > > > I guess it is not useful to know the number Y without knowing > which associations they are. And there is already the > SCTP_SEND_FAILED notification so the app knows which send > fails. I think the notification as you described is not needed. > Cool... 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Yarroll" Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com X-Nails-Approved: piggy@timesys.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:35:50 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097609960-12740-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary I'm glad you brought it up--I meant to ask before you published the most recent draft... Which associations recieve the message? Just those which are already up or all those we've sent to since the socket was created? It is perfectly legitimate for me to implement auto-close by opening an association for each user datagram and then closing it immediately. An application using MSG_SENDALL would get a rather surprising behavior if it only sends to associations which happen to be open... 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Yarroll" From: Randall Stewart Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com X-Nails-Approved: rrs@cisco.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:40:21 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097610137-12790-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary La Monte H.P. Yarroll wrote: > I'm glad you brought it up--I meant to ask before you published the most > recent draft... > > Which associations recieve the message? Just those which are already up > or all those we've sent to since the socket was created? > > It is perfectly legitimate for me to implement auto-close by opening an > association for each user datagram and then closing it immediately. An > application using MSG_SENDALL would get a rather surprising behavior if > it only sends to associations which happen to be open... > > I don't think I follow the above .. If an association is CLOSED you have NO record of it.. so you have no way to send to it. If an association is opening.. i.e. COOKIE-WAIT/COOKIE-ECHOED You SHOULD send a copy to the association... even though it may not be able to be sent right now. If an assoociation is in SHUTDOWN-SENT or SHUTDOWN-RECEIVED you would not queue the data there .. you are NOT allowed to per the SCTP spec. And of course ESTABLISHED would get a copy :-D R -- Randall Stewart ITD 803-345-0369 815-342-5222 ------------=_1097610137-12790-0-- From piggy@timesys.com Tue Oct 12 15:56:28 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA26066 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CHSvr-0006OD-RT for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:07:40 -0400 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2004 12:56:26 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9CJtagR002182; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9CJtPZ4012985 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410121955.i9CJtPZ4012985@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097610925-12983-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: Question for y'all on MSG_SENDALL List-Id: sctp-impl To: Randall Stewart From: "La Monte H.P. Yarroll" Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com X-Nails-Approved: piggy@timesys.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:50:28 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097610925-12983-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Randall Stewart wrote: > La Monte H.P. Yarroll wrote: > >> I'm glad you brought it up--I meant to ask before you published the >> most recent draft... >> >> Which associations recieve the message? Just those which are already >> up or all those we've sent to since the socket was created? >> >> It is perfectly legitimate for me to implement auto-close by opening >> an association for each user datagram and then closing it >> immediately. An application using MSG_SENDALL would get a rather >> surprising behavior if it only sends to associations which happen to >> be open... >> >> > > I don't think I follow the above ... sd = *socket*(PF_INET, *SOCK_SEQPACKET*, *IPPROTO_SCTP) whatever_send(sd, dest1, p1) whatever_send(sd, dest2, p2) whatever_send(sd, dest3, p3) whatever_send(sd, MSG_SENDALL, p4) *I think the intent of MSG_SENDALL is that dest1, dest2, and dest3 all get message p4. HOWEVER, if my implementation autocloses associations immediately (this is permissible), then nobody gets p4. > If an association is CLOSED you have NO record of it.. so you > have no way to send to it. > > If an association is opening.. i.e. COOKIE-WAIT/COOKIE-ECHOED > You SHOULD send a copy to the association... even though it > may not be able to be sent right now. > > If an assoociation is in SHUTDOWN-SENT or SHUTDOWN-RECEIVED you > would not queue the data there .. you are NOT allowed to per > the SCTP spec. > > And of course ESTABLISHED would get a copy :-D > > R -- Anyone who quotes me in their sig is an idiot. -- Rusty Russell's sig ------------=_1097610925-12983-0-- From rrs@cisco.com Tue Oct 12 16:11:04 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA28357 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CHT9y-0006t7-QA for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:22:16 -0400 Received: from sj-core-4.cisco.com (171.68.223.138) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2004 13:10:45 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9CKAFmQ023933; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9CKA5Z4013205 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410122010.i9CKA5Z4013205@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097611805-13196-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: Question for y'all on MSG_SENDALL List-Id: sctp-impl To: "La Monte H.P. Yarroll" From: Randall Stewart Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com X-Nails-Approved: rrs@cisco.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:08:12 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd26b070c2577ac175cd3a6d878c6248 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097611805-13196-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary La Monte H.P. Yarroll wrote: > Randall Stewart wrote: > >> La Monte H.P. Yarroll wrote: >> >>> I'm glad you brought it up--I meant to ask before you published the >>> most recent draft... >>> >>> Which associations recieve the message? Just those which are already >>> up or all those we've sent to since the socket was created? >>> >>> It is perfectly legitimate for me to implement auto-close by opening >>> an association for each user datagram and then closing it >>> immediately. An application using MSG_SENDALL would get a rather >>> surprising behavior if it only sends to associations which happen to >>> be open... >>> >>> >> >> I don't think I follow the above ... > > > sd = *socket*(PF_INET, *SOCK_SEQPACKET*, *IPPROTO_SCTP) > whatever_send(sd, dest1, p1) > whatever_send(sd, dest2, p2) > whatever_send(sd, dest3, p3) > > whatever_send(sd, MSG_SENDALL, p4) > > *I think the intent of MSG_SENDALL is that dest1, dest2, > and dest3 all get message p4. HOWEVER, if my implementation > autocloses associations immediately (this is permissible), > then nobody gets p4. > But by definition a sendall to an endpoint with NO associations will not send anything.. This is no different then doing whatever_send(sd, dest1, p1) whatever_send(sd, dest2, p2) whatever_send(sd, dest3, p3) send_a_abort( dest1) send_a_abort( dest2) send_a_abort( dest3) whatever_send(sd, MSG_SENDALL, p4) (I use abort because its immediate.. but even a graceful close would have that property).. Hey, if you are going to use auto-close AND you set the timer that short.. this should not be surprising to you.. There are no associations.. R > -- Randall Stewart ITD 803-345-0369 815-342-5222 ------------=_1097611805-13196-0-- From peterlei@cisco.com Tue Oct 12 19:08:48 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA26115 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CHVw1-0006AF-S3 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:20:02 -0400 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Oct 2004 16:08:26 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9CN7fgR007274; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9CN7LZ4015794 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410122307.i9CN7LZ4015794@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097622440-15792-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: Question for y'all on MSG_SENDALL List-Id: sctp-impl To: "La Monte H.P. Yarroll" From: "Peter Lei (peterlei)" Cc: Randall Stewart , sctp-impl@external.cisco.com X-Nails-Approved: peterlei@cisco.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:01:43 -0500 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 789c141a303c09204b537a4078e2a63f This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097622440-15792-0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary La Monte H.P. Yarroll wrote: > Randall Stewart wrote: > >> La Monte H.P. Yarroll wrote: >> >>> I'm glad you brought it up--I meant to ask before you published the >>> most recent draft... >>> >>> Which associations recieve the message? Just those which are already >>> up or all those we've sent to since the socket was created? >>> >>> It is perfectly legitimate for me to implement auto-close by opening >>> an association for each user datagram and then closing it >>> immediately. An application using MSG_SENDALL would get a rather >>> surprising behavior if it only sends to associations which happen to >>> be open... >>> >>> >> >> I don't think I follow the above ... > > > sd = *socket*(PF_INET, *SOCK_SEQPACKET*, *IPPROTO_SCTP) > whatever_send(sd, dest1, p1) > whatever_send(sd, dest2, p2) > whatever_send(sd, dest3, p3) > > whatever_send(sd, MSG_SENDALL, p4) > > *I think the intent of MSG_SENDALL is that dest1, dest2, > and dest3 all get message p4. HOWEVER, if my implementation > autocloses associations immediately (this is permissible), > then nobody gets p4. Yes, that is the intent. But if your implementation (or by user/application specification) do an immediate autoclose after the send, then no, you will NOT get p4 out to anyone. As specified, SENDALL goes to only open associations. 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i9CN9wZ4015839 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410122310.i9CN9wZ4015839@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097622597-15836-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: Question for y'all on MSG_SENDALL List-Id: sctp-impl To: "La Monte H.P. Yarroll" From: "Peter Lei (peterlei)" Cc: Randall Stewart , sctp-impl@external.cisco.com X-Nails-Approved: peterlei@cisco.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:04:23 -0500 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d0bdc596f8dd1c226c458f0b4df27a88 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097622597-15836-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary La Monte H.P. Yarroll wrote: > Randall Stewart wrote: > >> La Monte H.P. Yarroll wrote: >> >>> I'm glad you brought it up--I meant to ask before you published the >>> most recent draft... >>> >>> Which associations recieve the message? Just those which are already >>> up or all those we've sent to since the socket was created? >>> >>> It is perfectly legitimate for me to implement auto-close by opening >>> an association for each user datagram and then closing it >>> immediately. An application using MSG_SENDALL would get a rather >>> surprising behavior if it only sends to associations which happen to >>> be open... >>> >>> >> >> I don't think I follow the above ... > > > sd = *socket*(PF_INET, *SOCK_SEQPACKET*, *IPPROTO_SCTP) > whatever_send(sd, dest1, p1) > whatever_send(sd, dest2, p2) > whatever_send(sd, dest3, p3) > > whatever_send(sd, MSG_SENDALL, p4) > > *I think the intent of MSG_SENDALL is that dest1, dest2, > and dest3 all get message p4. HOWEVER, if my implementation > autocloses associations immediately (this is permissible), > then nobody gets p4. Yes, that is the intent. But if your implementation (or by user/application specification) do an immediate autoclose after the send, then no, you will NOT get p4 out to anyone. As specified, SENDALL goes to only open associations. For your implementation, you must either disable auto-close, change its timeout, or live with no SENDALL function :-D regards, --peter >> If an association is CLOSED you have NO record of it.. so you >> have no way to send to it. >> >> If an association is opening.. i.e. COOKIE-WAIT/COOKIE-ECHOED >> You SHOULD send a copy to the association... even though it >> may not be able to be sent right now. >> >> If an assoociation is in SHUTDOWN-SENT or SHUTDOWN-RECEIVED you >> would not queue the data there .. you are NOT allowed to per >> the SCTP spec. >> >> And of course ESTABLISHED would get a copy :-D >> >> R > > > ------------=_1097622597-15836-0-- From piggy@timesys.com Wed Oct 13 08:16:36 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA20358 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CHiEL-0003em-La for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:27:54 -0400 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Oct 2004 05:21:10 -0700 Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9DCEBk2000458; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9DCCb7U008802 for sctp-impl-filtered; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410131212.i9DCCb7U008802@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097669557-8799-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: Question for y'all on MSG_SENDALL List-Id: sctp-impl To: "Peter Lei (peterlei)" From: "La Monte H.P. Yarroll" Cc: Randall Stewart , sctp-impl@external.cisco.com X-Nails-Approved: piggy@timesys.com Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:09:16 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097669557-8799-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Peter Lei (peterlei) wrote: > La Monte H.P. Yarroll wrote: > >> Randall Stewart wrote: >> >>> La Monte H.P. Yarroll wrote: >>> >>>> I'm glad you brought it up--I meant to ask before you published the >>>> most recent draft... >>>> >>>> Which associations recieve the message? Just those which are >>>> already up or all those we've sent to since the socket was created? >>>> >>>> It is perfectly legitimate for me to implement auto-close by >>>> opening an association for each user datagram and then closing it >>>> immediately. An application using MSG_SENDALL would get a rather >>>> surprising behavior if it only sends to associations which happen >>>> to be open... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I don't think I follow the above ... >> >> >> >> sd = *socket*(PF_INET, *SOCK_SEQPACKET*, *IPPROTO_SCTP) >> whatever_send(sd, dest1, p1) >> whatever_send(sd, dest2, p2) >> whatever_send(sd, dest3, p3) >> >> whatever_send(sd, MSG_SENDALL, p4) >> >> *I think the intent of MSG_SENDALL is that dest1, dest2, >> and dest3 all get message p4. HOWEVER, if my implementation >> autocloses associations immediately (this is permissible), >> then nobody gets p4. > > > Yes, that is the intent. But if your implementation (or by > user/application specification) do an immediate autoclose > after the send, then no, you will NOT get p4 out to anyone. > As specified, SENDALL goes to only open associations. For > your implementation, you must either disable auto-close, > change its timeout, or live with no SENDALL function :-D Ah, good point. So if I'm using MSG_SENDALL I really ought to either explicitly set the auto-close timeout or disable it. Or are we explicit enough in the API spec about the defaults that a coder can ignore auto-close? -- Anyone who quotes me in their sig is an idiot. -- Rusty Russell's sig ------------=_1097669557-8799-0-- From rrs@cisco.com Wed Oct 13 08:28:30 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA21564 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CHiQ0-0003x8-Jb for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:39:48 -0400 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Oct 2004 05:34:17 -0700 Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9DCRYk2008963; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9DCRO7U009054 for sctp-impl-filtered; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:27:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410131227.i9DCRO7U009054@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097670444-9052-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: Question for y'all on MSG_SENDALL List-Id: sctp-impl To: "La Monte H.P. Yarroll" From: Randall Stewart Cc: "Peter Lei (peterlei)" , sctp-impl@external.cisco.com X-Nails-Approved: rrs@cisco.com Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:25:35 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3002fc2e661cd7f114cb6bae92fe88f1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097670444-9052-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary La Monte H.P. Yarroll wrote: > Peter Lei (peterlei) wrote: > >> La Monte H.P. Yarroll wrote: >> >>> Randall Stewart wrote: >>> >>>> La Monte H.P. Yarroll wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm glad you brought it up--I meant to ask before you published the >>>>> most recent draft... >>>>> >>>>> Which associations recieve the message? Just those which are >>>>> already up or all those we've sent to since the socket was created? >>>>> >>>>> It is perfectly legitimate for me to implement auto-close by >>>>> opening an association for each user datagram and then closing it >>>>> immediately. An application using MSG_SENDALL would get a rather >>>>> surprising behavior if it only sends to associations which happen >>>>> to be open... >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> I don't think I follow the above ... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> sd = *socket*(PF_INET, *SOCK_SEQPACKET*, *IPPROTO_SCTP) >>> whatever_send(sd, dest1, p1) >>> whatever_send(sd, dest2, p2) >>> whatever_send(sd, dest3, p3) >>> >>> whatever_send(sd, MSG_SENDALL, p4) >>> >>> *I think the intent of MSG_SENDALL is that dest1, dest2, >>> and dest3 all get message p4. HOWEVER, if my implementation >>> autocloses associations immediately (this is permissible), >>> then nobody gets p4. >> >> >> >> Yes, that is the intent. But if your implementation (or by >> user/application specification) do an immediate autoclose >> after the send, then no, you will NOT get p4 out to anyone. >> As specified, SENDALL goes to only open associations. For >> your implementation, you must either disable auto-close, >> change its timeout, or live with no SENDALL function :-D > > > Ah, good point. So if I'm using MSG_SENDALL I really > ought to either explicitly set the auto-close timeout > or disable it. Or are we explicit enough in the API > spec about the defaults that a coder can ignore > auto-close? > Auto-close (according to the socket draft) is OFF by default.. So you have to set it to get it enabled.. sooo if you turn it on and set it for say 1ms.. and then do a MSG_SENDALL.. you will get what you asked for :-0 Another cool thing one could do with MSG_SENDALL for example is send with send...( MSG_SENDALL|MSG_ABORT); or send..(... MSG_SENDALL|MSG_EOF) Which would gracefully close or abort all open associations.. kinda cool. 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o yesupt y mw ccoje --5F5F1E.601-- From me@armandocaro.net Wed Oct 13 14:45:49 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA23403 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CHoJB-0002fA-RS for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:57:11 -0400 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Oct 2004 11:54:13 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9DIifOE019224; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9DIi67U014725 for sctp-impl-filtered; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410131844.i9DIi67U014725@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097693046-14723-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] sctp performance List-Id: sctp-impl To: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" From: "Armando L. Caro Jr." Cc: Salvatore Loreto , lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, alefelici@libero.it, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com, pawel.hadam@imag.fr, "Paul D. Amer" , Janardhan Iyengar X-Nails-Approved: me@armandocaro.net Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:26:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097693046-14723-0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Sorry for reviving an old thread, but I'm just getting caught up on this list. On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > The interesting thing about the OpenSS7 tests were the multiple > interface tests on SOCK_STREAM, that showed that max throughput was a > multiple of the number of available interfaces. Once TCP saturates > a single interface it has nowhere else to go. SCTP can load multiple > interfaces to saturation. I am curious about SCTP is able to increase throughput as the number of interfaces increase. Jana has showed that simply using all paths with SCTP is counter-productive. The transport has to be "smart" about getting around different issues when doing Concurrent Multipath Transfer (CMT). Jana has found several issues with "naive" CMT, but has done a nice job of addressing them one by one. He's still in the process of tackling more of these issues. http://www.cis.udel.edu/~iyengar/publications/2004.spects.iyengar.pdf http://www.cis.udel.edu/~iyengar/publications/2004.icon.iyengar.pdf ~armando 0-- --0 | Armando L. Caro Jr. | Protocol Engineering Lab | | www.armandocaro.net | University of Delaware | 0-- --0 ------------=_1097693046-14723-0-- From me@armandocaro.net Wed Oct 13 14:49:10 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA23600 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CHoMQ-0002iK-P5 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:00:32 -0400 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Oct 2004 11:57:32 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9DIm4YJ000193; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9DIlv7U014788 for sctp-impl-filtered; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410131847.i9DIlv7U014788@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097693277-14785-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [sctp performance] english version presentation List-Id: sctp-impl To: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" From: "Armando L. Caro Jr." Cc: Pawel Hadam , Randall Stewart , Salvatore Loreto , lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, alefelici@libero.it, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com, "Paul D. Amer" , Janardhan Iyengar X-Nails-Approved: me@armandocaro.net Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:29:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0bc60ec82efc80c84b8d02f4b0e4de22 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097693277-14785-0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > Take a look at > > http://www.omg.org/news/meetings/workshops/RT_2003_Manual/Presentations/5-4_Thaker_etal.pdf > > which presents failover results nominal 10ms in test situations similar > to your full mesh experiment on slide 35 of your presentation and also > show much better 1% packet loss latencies. 10ms failover?! Clearly this is a special case network and not operating over a WAN. ~armando 0-- --0 | Armando L. Caro Jr. | Protocol Engineering Lab | | www.armandocaro.net | University of Delaware | 0-- --0 ------------=_1097693277-14785-0-- From rrs@cisco.com Wed Oct 13 15:52:46 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA29814 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CHpLy-0004o6-CF for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:04:09 -0400 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Oct 2004 13:01:09 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9DJprk2001574; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:51:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9DJpV7U015718 for sctp-impl-filtered; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 12:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410131951.i9DJpV7U015718@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097697091-15716-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [sctp performance] english version presentation List-Id: sctp-impl To: "Armando L. Caro Jr." From: Randall Stewart Cc: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" , Pawel Hadam , Salvatore Loreto , lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, alefelici@libero.it, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com, "Paul D. Amer" , Janardhan Iyengar X-Nails-Approved: rrs@cisco.com Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:50:01 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097697091-15716-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary My guess is RTO.Min must be set down to about 1ms and RTO.Max to some other low value... Of course this is fine for special case networks.. not the big-I :-D R Armando L. Caro Jr. wrote: > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > > >>Take a look at >> >> http://www.omg.org/news/meetings/workshops/RT_2003_Manual/Presentations/5-4_Thaker_etal.pdf >> >>which presents failover results nominal 10ms in test situations similar >>to your full mesh experiment on slide 35 of your presentation and also >>show much better 1% packet loss latencies. > > > 10ms failover?! Clearly this is a special case network and not operating > over a WAN. > > ~armando > > 0-- --0 > | Armando L. Caro Jr. | Protocol Engineering Lab | > | www.armandocaro.net | University of Delaware | > 0-- --0 > -- Randall Stewart ITD 803-345-0369 815-342-5222 ------------=_1097697091-15716-0-- From bidulock@openss7.org Wed Oct 13 16:55:19 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA06185 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CHqKX-000684-KU for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:06:42 -0400 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Oct 2004 13:55:27 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9DKs69b026716; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9DKrp7U016641 for sctp-impl-filtered; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410132053.i9DKrp7U016641@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097700831-16639-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [sctp performance] english version presentation List-Id: sctp-impl To: "Armando L. Caro Jr." From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" Cc: Pawel Hadam , Randall Stewart , Salvatore Loreto , lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, alefelici@libero.it, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com, "Paul D. Amer" , Janardhan Iyengar X-Nails-Approved: bidulock@openss7.org Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:50:21 -0600 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 82c9bddb247d9ba4471160a9a865a5f3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097700831-16639-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Armando, On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Armando L. Caro Jr. wrote: > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > > > Take a look at > > > > http://www.omg.org/news/meetings/workshops/RT_2003_Manual/Presentations/5-4_Thaker_etal.pdf > > > > which presents failover results nominal 10ms in test situations similar > > to your full mesh experiment on slide 35 of your presentation and also > > show much better 1% packet loss latencies. > > 10ms failover?! Clearly this is a special case network and not operating > over a WAN. The presentation details the network and test harness. I believe it was ethernet connected directly through the harness. RTT for the network was substatially below 10ms. The RTO.Min was set to zero (which with Linux 2.4 timer granularity is 10ms). I would expect 1ms failovers for 1000Hz kernel clocks. For a WAN, the experiment would lead one to believe that failover times of one RTT can be acheived. 10ms should get you across a continent. 100ms should get you around the planet. 1s, part way to the moon. I suppose the point is that, when implemented with performance in mind, SCTP at the transport layer can perform better than many Ethernet bonding solutions at the link layer. --brian > > ~armando > > 0-- --0 > | Armando L. Caro Jr. | Protocol Engineering Lab | > | www.armandocaro.net | University of Delaware | > 0-- --0 -- Brian F. G. Bidulock � The reasonable man adapts himself to the � bidulock@openss7.org � world; the unreasonable one persists in � http://www.openss7.org/ � trying to adapt the world to himself. � � Therefore all progress depends on the � � unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw � ------------=_1097700831-16639-0-- From bidulock@openss7.org Wed Oct 13 17:28:44 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12980 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CHqqt-0008HE-7A for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:40:08 -0400 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Oct 2004 14:37:10 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9DLRlk2011922; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9DLRf7U017166 for sctp-impl-filtered; Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410132127.i9DLRf7U017166@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097702861-17164-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] sctp performance List-Id: sctp-impl To: "Armando L. Caro Jr." From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" Cc: Salvatore Loreto , lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, alefelici@libero.it, gonzalo.camarillo@ericsson.com, pawel.hadam@imag.fr, "Paul D. Amer" , Janardhan Iyengar X-Nails-Approved: bidulock@openss7.org Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:24:14 -0600 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f60d0f7806b0c40781eee6b9cd0b2135 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097702861-17164-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Armando, As I'm sure you know, the OpenSS7 SCTP implementation has been using a weighted version of the algorithms from the second paper since 2001. It also uses a fast restoration technique for restoring suspect destinations since 2001. The implementation also uses a (patentable) FR algorithm that is far simpler than the split-FR presented in the first paper. These allow the implementation to exhibit multiplicative throughput and single RTO fail-over simultaneously. Neither algorithm violates AIMD, FR or max burst rules. They are in fact more conservative. I believe I sent you this weighted algorithm some years ago and said it was worthy of attention. ;) Perhaps more interesting than just the pure multiplicative increase is the way that the implementation smoothly adapts and moves out of the way of a single-interface TCP load resulting in maximization of both throughputs. Unfortunately, those results haven't been presented yet. --brian On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Armando L. Caro Jr. wrote: > Sorry for reviving an old thread, but I'm just getting caught up on this > list. > > On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > > > The interesting thing about the OpenSS7 tests were the multiple > > interface tests on SOCK_STREAM, that showed that max throughput was a > > multiple of the number of available interfaces. Once TCP saturates > > a single interface it has nowhere else to go. SCTP can load multiple > > interfaces to saturation. > > I am curious about SCTP is able to increase throughput as the number of > interfaces increase. Jana has showed that simply using all paths with SCTP > is counter-productive. The transport has to be "smart" about getting > around different issues when doing Concurrent Multipath Transfer (CMT). > Jana has found several issues with "naive" CMT, but has done a nice > job of addressing them one by one. He's still in the process of tackling > more of these issues. > > http://www.cis.udel.edu/~iyengar/publications/2004.spects.iyengar.pdf > http://www.cis.udel.edu/~iyengar/publications/2004.icon.iyengar.pdf > > ~armando > > 0-- --0 > | Armando L. Caro Jr. | Protocol Engineering Lab | > | www.armandocaro.net | University of Delaware | > 0-- --0 -- Brian F. G. 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G. Bidulock" From: Chuck Winters Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com X-Nails-Approved: cwinters@atl.lmco.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:17:34 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 14582b0692e7f70ce7111d04db3781c8 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097764199-2661-0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 16:50, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > Armando, > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Armando L. Caro Jr. wrote: > > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > > > > > Take a look at > > > > > > http://www.omg.org/news/meetings/workshops/RT_2003_Manual/Presentations/5-4_Thaker_etal.pdf > > > > > > which presents failover results nominal 10ms in test situations similar > > > to your full mesh experiment on slide 35 of your presentation and also > > > show much better 1% packet loss latencies. > > > > 10ms failover?! Clearly this is a special case network and not operating > > over a WAN. > Yes it is a special case network. Even though ships are getting bigger, I still don't think you can fit a WAN on one :) > The presentation details the network and test harness. I believe it was ethernet > connected directly through the harness. RTT for the network was substatially below > 10ms. The RTO.Min was set to zero (which with Linux 2.4 timer granularity is 10ms). > I would expect 1ms failovers for 1000Hz kernel clocks. There were 2 tests which I had performed. The both used ethernet with eepro10/100 linux drivers. One was 1% packet loss which was implemented with a kernel module. I think I still have the numbers for the overhead that incurred, although I don't think it is on the webpage(it wasn't much overhead in any event). The other test used the hardware which was setup to oscilate connectivity between the two networks. If this oscillation was happening in the real world, then you would probably be less worried about my max rtt. > > For a WAN, the experiment would lead one to believe that failover times of one RTT > can be acheived. 10ms should get you across a continent. 100ms should get you around > the planet. 1s, part way to the moon. It would be interesting to run the tests on either a real WAN or an emulab WAN. Gautam would know if this could be done. > > I suppose the point is that, when implemented with performance in mind, SCTP at the > transport layer can perform better than many Ethernet bonding solutions at the link > layer. I wanted to run a test with the linux bonding driver, but unfortunately I was pulled onto other projects before I could get this done. Besides, even if the bonding driver was slightly faster, it cannot give you end-to-end failover on anthing larger than the local segment. > > --brian > > > > > > ~armando > > > > 0-- --0 > > | Armando L. Caro Jr. | Protocol Engineering Lab | > > | www.armandocaro.net | University of Delaware | > > 0-- > --0 Later, Chuck -- Chuck Winters | Email: cwinters@atl.lmco.com Advanced Concepts Laboratory | Phone: 856-792-9749 Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Labs | Fax: 856-792-9925 3 Executive Campus - 6th Floor | Cherry Hill, NJ 08002 | ------------=_1097764199-2661-0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBbop+J/kgOOoQ44cRAi/iAJ9McxAU9ONFDFTBs2lP8nnwpjOPDwCfYjBK AxDHPrMJJwBDN+1hX62HNxs= =yUHy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------=_1097764199-2661-0-- From cwinters@atl.lmco.com Thu Oct 14 10:50:04 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA26525 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CI76p-0003vs-Dk for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:01:39 -0400 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Oct 2004 07:58:41 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9EEn9OE004632; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9EEmo7U002938 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410141448.i9EEmo7U002938@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097765330-2936-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [sctp performance] english version presentation List-Id: sctp-impl To: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" From: Chuck Winters Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com X-Nails-Approved: cwinters@atl.lmco.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:37:07 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3002fc2e661cd7f114cb6bae92fe88f1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097765330-2936-0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary That was odd...Here goes again On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 16:50, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > Armando, > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Armando L. Caro Jr. wrote: > > > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > > > > > Take a look at > > > > > > http://www.omg.org/news/meetings/workshops/RT_2003_Manual/Presentations/5-4_Thaker_etal.pdf > > > > > > which presents failover results nominal 10ms in test situations similar > > > to your full mesh experiment on slide 35 of your presentation and also > > > show much better 1% packet loss latencies. > > > > 10ms failover?! Clearly this is a special case network and not operating > > over a WAN. > Yes it is a special case network. Even though ships are getting bigger, I still don't think you can fit a WAN on one :) > The presentation details the network and test harness. I believe it was ethernet > connected directly through the harness. RTT for the network was substatially below > 10ms. The RTO.Min was set to zero (which with Linux 2.4 timer granularity is 10ms). > I would expect 1ms failovers for 1000Hz kernel clocks. There were 2 tests which I had performed. The both used ethernet with eepro10/100 linux drivers. One was 1% packet loss which was implemented with a kernel module. I think I still have the numbers for the overhead that incurred, although I don't think it is on the webpage(it wasn't much overhead in any event). The other test used the hardware which was setup to oscilate connectivity between the two networks. If this oscillation was happening in the real world, then you would probably be less worried about my max rtt. > > For a WAN, the experiment would lead one to believe that failover times of one RTT > can be acheived. 10ms should get you across a continent. 100ms should get you around > the planet. 1s, part way to the moon. It would be interesting to run the tests on either a real WAN or an emulab WAN. Gautam would know if this could be done. > > I suppose the point is that, when implemented with performance in mind, SCTP at the > transport layer can perform better than many Ethernet bonding solutions at the link > layer. I wanted to run a test with the linux bonding driver, but unfortunately I was pulled onto other projects before I could get this done. Besides, even if the bonding driver was slightly faster, it cannot give you end-to-end failover on anthing larger than the local segment. > > --brian > > > > > > ~armando > > > > 0-- --0 > > | Armando L. 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----A6D8CEDE5A1354F7A-- From me@armandocaro.net Thu Oct 14 12:49:33 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA06542 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CI8yU-0006VV-Id for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:01:10 -0400 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Oct 2004 10:05:35 +0000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9EGmhk2028475; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:48:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9EGmH7U004813 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410141648.i9EGmH7U004813@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097772497-4810-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] sctp performance List-Id: sctp-impl To: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" From: "Armando L. Caro Jr." Cc: lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, "Paul D. Amer" , Janardhan Iyengar X-Nails-Approved: me@armandocaro.net Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:36:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 769a46790fb42fbb0b0cc700c82f7081 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097772497-4810-0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > As I'm sure you know, the OpenSS7 SCTP implementation has been using a > weighted version of the algorithms from the second paper since 2001. It > also uses a fast restoration technique for restoring suspect > destinations since 2001. The implementation also uses a (patentable) FR > algorithm that is far simpler than the split-FR presented in the first > paper. These allow the implementation to exhibit multiplicative > throughput and single RTO fail-over simultaneously. Neither algorithm > violates AIMD, FR or max burst rules. They are in fact more > conservative. > > I believe I sent you this weighted algorithm some years ago and said it > was worthy of attention. ;) To be honest, I didn't remember you sending me an algorithm. I dug through my old mails and found a private discussion we had in Nov 2001. I found the weighted algorithm that you're talking about, but the algorithm you sent me was for selecting a destination to retransmit to and failover to. Since the email was sent privately, I don't want to post the algorithm in this public forum without your permission. But in any case, the algorithm/selection process looks reasonable, but I don't see how it applies to Concurrent Multipath Transfer (CMT). Maybe I am misunerstanding you, and you are not doing CMT? Are you saying that additional interfaces multiplies the throughput performance because your failover algorithm is so agressive? You are advocating using PMR=0, RTO.Min=0-10ms, etc. I have also done work that comes to the conclusion that PMR=0 provides the best performance (http://www.armandocaro.net/papers/2004.TR2005-04.acaro.pdf), but an RTO.Min=0-10ms would only work on special case networks (eg, SS7) and not the Internet. ~armando 0-- --0 | Armando L. Caro Jr. | Protocol Engineering Lab | | www.armandocaro.net | University of Delaware | 0-- --0 ------------=_1097772497-4810-0-- From iyengar@mail.eecis.udel.edu Thu Oct 14 13:02:30 2004 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA07564 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CI9B0-0006o8-Cm for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:14:07 -0400 Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Oct 2004 10:11:03 -0700 X-BrightmailFiltered: true Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i9EG1WOE001199; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i9EH1P7U005016 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200410141701.i9EH1P7U005016@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1097773285-5008-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Concurrent Multipath Transfer (was Re: [Tsvwg] sctp performance) List-Id: sctp-impl To: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" From: Janardhan Iyengar Cc: "Armando L. Caro Jr." , lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, tsvwg@ietf.org, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, "Paul D. Amer" , Janardhan Iyengar X-Nails-Approved: iyengar@mail.eecis.udel.edu Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:49:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1097773285-5008-0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Hi Brian/all, (I trimmed the Cc list. And I apologize for posting on several lists. But this discussion started on all these lists. Maybe it could move to one/more lists as per interest?) The papers that are referred to in this thread are: http://www.cis.udel.edu/~iyengar/publications/2004.spects.iyengar.pdf http://www.cis.udel.edu/~iyengar/publications/2004.icon.iyengar.pdf I add another paper here, which is currently under submission and is a continuation of CMT work: http://www.cis.udel.edu/~iyengar/publications/2005.icdcs.iyengar.pdf > As I'm sure you know, the OpenSS7 SCTP implementation has been using a > weighted version of the algorithms from the second paper since 2001. [...] > The implementation also uses a (patentable) FR algorithm that is far > simpler than the split-FR presented in the first paper. I certainly did not know that you already implemented these algorithms. I don't think any of the co-authors on the papers knew either. Could you post the algos, or send a reference that we could look up? If your FR algo is far simpler, I would certainly like to look at it, because I could not get the SFR-CACC algo to be simpler than it is. Well, it is simpler than it _was_, but I do not know how to make it any simpler. Also, the first paper presents two other algos - the CUC and DAC algos. At least the CUC algorithm is, IMHO, necessary to see expected throughput, at least if the paths in question have different end-to-end delays. Did you implement something like CUC too? You say the algo is "patentable" - I do not understand what that means. Did you mean to say the algo is "patentED"? So, can you post the algo? Note: The ID (draft-iyengar-sctp-cacc-xx.txt) which was first published in Feb 2002 has expired now, but I'm planning to resubmit it in a new form and with significant additions/modifications. I wanted to spend more time looking at changeover/CMT concerns with SCTP before putting something out as an ID. regards, jana --------------------------------------------------------------- Janardhan R. 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A Large PR Campaign Apprising Potential Investors of This Development is Underway Starting Tuesday Evening. This announcement Will Hopefully be Seen By Thousands and Thousands of Potential Investors Tuesday Evening and Into Wednesday. If you think PFNH is a mover and goes higher, you may not want to wait until it's too late as Timing is So Important. Press Release Source: Perfisans Networks Corporation 1,000,000 USD Deal Validates Marketplace Viability of Perfisans' Revolutionary Network Speed-Boosting Chip Technology LOS ANGELES BUSINESS WIRE Oct. 12, 2004. Perfisans Networks Corp., OTCBB:PFNH, a next-generation semiconductor designer focused on the burgeoning Gigabit Ethernet market, has announced the first booking for its proprietary network accelerator chips, marking the patented technology's successful progress from the design-table to the real-world marketplace. Under the agreement, Perfisans will supply its ENA1001 gigabit network acceleration chip to DBL Technology Co. Ltd. The agreement calls for more than 1.1 million in sales over a period of 12 months. DBL is a maker of Voice-Over-Internet Protocol (VoIP) communications equipment, based in Shenzhen, China, and is a significant original equipment manufacturer (OEM) for the enormous Taiwan and China communication markets. DBL will integrate the ENA1001 gigabit network chip into several of its product designs. With Perfisans' TOE technology, solid performance and favorable pricing and technical-support policies, DBL officials believe they can significantly raise their product's price/performance ratio and allow them to outperform their competitors. "Our relationship with DBL is a major milestone in entering the Chinese networking equipment market, and a major endorsement of the technology we developed," said To Hon Lam, President and CEO of Perfisans. 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Perfisans' chips can significantly improve and simplify the design of VOIP products, in addition to its role in boosting the performance of Ethernet data-networks in business and home computer systems. About DBL Technology Co. Ltd. DBL Technology Co. is a major communication equipment company of Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) for the worldwide market. DBL designs VoIP Gateways, IP Phone, Gatekeeper, Relay Servers, and high performance AAA Billing servers. The company is based in Shenzen Province, China. About Perfisans Holdings, Inc. Founded in 2001, Perfisans Holdings, Inc. is an emerging ASIC design house focused on developing leading edge, cost-effective, system-on-chip (SOC) integrated circuits (IC) and delivering innovative solutions that address the performance needs of next generation network systems. 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Cautionary Statement This press release contains statements relating to future results of Perfisans, including certain projections and business trends, that are future looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially from those projected as a result of certain risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to: the cyclical nature of the semiconductor industry and the markets addressed by the company's and its customers products; demand for and market acceptance of new and existing products; successful development of new products; the timing of new product introductions; changes in product mix; product obsolescence; the availability of manufacturing capacity; fluctuations in manufacturing yields; pricing pressures and other competitive factors; the ability to develop and implement new technologies and to obtain protection for the related intellectual property; the uncertainties of litigation; our ability to attract and retain qualified personnel; as well as other risks and uncertainties, including those detailed from time to time in Perfisans Securities and Exchange Commission filings. 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亲爱的朋友们：
    您们好！作为电脑的主人，你们是否曾经为维修电脑而苦恼过呢？夏天，左搂右抱的带着电脑直奔华强、赛格，先按下一路上弄得香汗淋漓和一身疲惫 不说，不过冬天还可以，只得一身累吧。但到了电脑公司见到了工程师，是否能马上开工帮忙搞掂呢？这个还得靠运气呢，此情此景你说头不头晕？作为一个生意人，时间就是金钱，再加 上这是个高速信息化时代，没有了电脑，简直就像热锅上的蚂蚁。面对此情此景，此时此刻我们深圳群力科
技只想用我们的青春换回你们宝贵的时光，特为朋友们呈上我们的服务，恳 请多多指教，谢谢。
     超低价**签约包月**快速专业上门维修电脑
            闪电安装新系统  30分钟就OK  生意人的首选

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       (2)快速安装各种繁、简体操作系统(操作系统里已包含有各种常用软件)
       (3)排除各种常见的故障、硬盘数据恢复
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       (6)局域网、广 域网共享
       (7)网络系统布线设计及应用
       (8)计算机病毒防治及防火墙设置
       (9)快速解决天威多机同时上网

       ****电脑维护、电脑组装、网络工程****

       **专业组建有盘、无盘网吧工程**

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    您们好！作为电脑的主人，你们是否曾经为维修电脑而苦恼过呢？夏天，左搂右抱的带着电脑直奔华强、赛格，先按下一路上弄得香汗淋漓和一身疲惫 不说，不过冬天还可以，只得一身累吧。但到了电脑公司见到了工程师，是否能马上开工帮忙搞掂呢？这个还得靠运气呢，此情此景你说头不头晕？作为一个生意人，时间就是金钱，再加 上这是个高速信息化时代，没有了电脑，简直就像热锅上的蚂蚁。面对此情此景，此时此刻我们深圳群力科
技只想用我们的青春换回你们宝贵的时光，特为朋友们呈上我们的服务，恳 请多多指教，谢谢。
     超低价**签约包月**快速专业上门维修电脑
            闪电安装新系统  30分钟就OK  生意人的首选

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       (2)快速安装各种繁、简体操作系统(操作系统里已包含有各种常用软件)
       (3)排除各种常见的故障、硬盘数据恢复
       (4)安装各种常用办公、工具 软件(安装新系 统免费)
       (5)安装销售正版杀毒软件、搜索、群发Email软件
       (6)局域网、广 域网共享
       (7)网络系统布线设计及应用
       (8)计算机病毒防治及防火墙设置
       (9)快速解决天威多机同时上网

       ****电脑维护、电脑组装、网络工程****

       **专业组建有盘、无盘网吧工程**

       *热烈欢迎单位或个人签约包月*

       **热诚的服务，全心全意全为了您**

       深圳群力科技有限公司
       联系人：张  锋
       联系电话：13714661862或0755-83601633
       QQ：282079259   2441630
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Soaring Oil Issues For Immediate Profits

All-time record highs for oil are padding oil company profits.
Focus your attention on ERHC - Joint Ownership of Offshore Billion
Barrel Oil Blocks with ExxonMobil, Joint Venture Agreements with
Major NYSE Oil Leaders!

Grab this HOT OIL PLAY with guaranteed Billion Barrel Blocks being
= awarded within days.

Environmental Remediation Holding Corp. OTCBB - ERHC

Current Price .40

Target for October 1.25

What is an oil stock worth with guaranteed preferential rights to
billions of barrels of oil in the hottest offshore zone in West
Africa? Oil prices were pushing through $40 just 5 months ago, now
the $50 barrier has been shattered. Read the headlines lately? Oil
prices are expected to continue climbing.

Serious attention has turned to a group of 9 offshore oil blocks in West Africa where Schlumberger SLB-$69, the world leader in reservoir imaging services, has validated recoverable reserves at over 14
Billion Barrels. This is worth Hundreds of Billions no matter what
formula is applied. This would explain why ChevronTexaco and ExxonMobil =
paid over 120 Million to win operatorship of Block 1.

ERHC has very strong percentages of 6 of the remaining blocks to be awarded along with ExxonMobil and 2 other NYSE super-majors that have partnered with ERHC. ERHC has signed a partnership agreement with
Pioneer Natural Resources PXD-$35 in Block 2, and Noble Energy NBL-$60 <= br> in Block 4. Estimates amongst the international press covering these events point to ERHC and their respective partners capturing between 50% and 75% of both Blocks 2 and 4. The awards for these blocks are
= expected to be finalized any day. The value of these awards in
conjunction with international press coverage is the sudden impact
needed to set ERHC shares on fire!

Any oil issue with events of this magnitude in today's climate is going=
to fly. Read the press for additional confirmation of what is at stake. =
ERHC's rights have been exercised by the Company and are guaranteed. ERHC's partnership agreements with oil super-majors are iron-clad.
Investors must act quickly to accumulate a substantial position just before earth-shattering news is released that will send shockwaves
through ERHC.

DISCLOSURE: The information and opinions in this featured profile are <= br> based on sources believed to be reliable but no representation is made <= br> to its accuracy or completeness. Past performance is not an indicator of future results. This report is a paid profile for information purpose= s
only and should not be used as the basis for any investment decision. The publisher has been compensated ten thousand dollars for the preparat= ion
of this profile and for continuing coverage of the featured company. The=
publisher is not an investment advisor and this profile is not to be considered investment advice. This information is neither a solicitation=
to buy nor an offer to sell securities. Information herein contains futu= re-
looking statements that are subject to significant risks and uncertainti= es.
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This database covers over 250,000 key personnel and facility contacts =
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