From housley@vigilsec.com Wed Jun 1 08:24:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10CBE08CE for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 08:24:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.509 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.509 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.090, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CxYlMTG10nzr for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 08:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB69E08CA for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 08:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE68F24050; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:24:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id woUY9StoV84v; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.21.129.48] (unknown [63.164.30.193]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05442F2404F; Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:24:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:24:33 -0400 Message-Id: <5DBC0F06-7DE5-4826-A564-3E4C566E532A@vigilsec.com> To: IETF SmartPowerDir Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: Henning Schulzrinne Subject: [smartpowerdir] Smart-Power Directorate Membership Update X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 15:24:36 -0000 Henning no longer has time to participate in the Smart-Power = Directorate. 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Thanks to Rich for agreeing to serve. -- Russ= From fred@cisco.com Tue Jun 7 06:24:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374A211E80C0 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 06:24:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.679 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.679 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.080, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kAe5AHCrpgWR for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 06:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFB211E808E for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 06:24:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=1232; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1307453068; x=1308662668; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lZp3p5MJX/SCXi9+Rc4elKA9F1zbFtxPZ0mzBgFKZJA=; b=dDiDZimI/H2eq9pErFOcWCxwVIwtWPIFP6zk1fkuRNFF3LFhaES6nawB M4dA+Roy0Bj8xKuouOfJvuedSHsGxsl64FB3HLvx5tpgCcFQcD5ulfWtI 8LS2vblC5m60xL4PsNiwCN63XDLpJUflPPL74FAazj1srxp62pVpm+Uig M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAA4m7k2rRDoI/2dsb2JhbABTphx3iHGjHJ4shiEEhniKEoRMixk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,332,1304294400"; d="scan'208";a="371803178" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Jun 2011 13:24:27 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com [10.32.244.218]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p57DOMDw008598; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:24:27 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Tue, 07 Jun 2011 06:24:27 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com on Tue, 07 Jun 2011 06:24:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <032801cc2512$04474380$0cd5ca80$@com> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 06:24:12 -0700 Message-Id: References: <032801cc2512$04474380$0cd5ca80$@com> To: RFC Editor X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Mark Klerer , Stuart McCafferty , "Widergren, Steve E" , Marty Burns , "David H. Su" , Dave Mollerstuen , IETF SmartPower Directorate Subject: Re: [smartpowerdir] IETF Internet Protocol Standards for Smart Grid X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 13:24:29 -0000 Ladies: I am in receipt of a query from NIST's contractr for the Smart Grid = regarding http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-baker-ietf-core. Can you = comment on it please? Fred On Jun 7, 2011, at 5:54 AM, Marty Burns wrote: > Fred, > =20 > We received a comment from Microsoft today about placing our Internet = RFC on the Catalog of Standards before it receives an RFC number from = the IETF. > =20 > =93The IETF Internet Protocol Standards for Smart Grid should not be = voted on until its been published as an RFC=94 from John Calhoon =96 = Microsoft > =20 > I think there is merit to this position and it seems reasonable to me = to hold off on the vote until the number is assigned and the document = can be retrieved by it. I think we expected this to occur already and = this is why we scheduled a vote. However, it does seem questionable to = vote on a document that cannot be formally identified. > =20 > Do you think this number will come in the next few days (we need to = start the vote on June 14th)? Alternatively we can have this vote as = soon as the number is assigned or with the very next batch of standards. > =20 > What are your thoughts? > =20 > Cheers, > Marty > =20 From rfc-ed@rfc-editor.org Tue Jun 7 09:17:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468C911E8198 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:17:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.325 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.325 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.275, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T3RMva8sUNRa for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::2f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FC311E818F for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 6000) id 9EF0C98C4FA; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:17:57 -0700 From: RFC Editor To: Fred Baker Message-ID: <20110607161757.GB21869@rfc-editor.org> References: <032801cc2512$04474380$0cd5ca80$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: Mark Klerer , Stuart McCafferty , "Widergren, Steve E" , RFC Editor , Marty Burns , "David H. Su" , Dave Mollerstuen , IETF SmartPower Directorate Subject: Re: [smartpowerdir] IETF Internet Protocol Standards for Smart Grid X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:17:58 -0000 Hi Fred, Apologies for the delay. We expect the document to be in AUTH48 by by the end of the week (by Monday at the latest). The document will be available by RFC number from the AUTH48 directory at that time. Please let us know if you have any questions. Thanks, Sandy On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 06:24:12AM -0700, Fred Baker wrote: > Ladies: > > I am in receipt of a query from NIST's contractr for the Smart Grid regarding http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-baker-ietf-core. Can you comment on it please? > > Fred > > On Jun 7, 2011, at 5:54 AM, Marty Burns wrote: > > > Fred, > > > > We received a comment from Microsoft today about placing our Internet RFC on the Catalog of Standards before it receives an RFC number from the IETF. > > > > ?The IETF Internet Protocol Standards for Smart Grid should not be voted on until its been published as an RFC? from John Calhoon ? Microsoft > > > > I think there is merit to this position and it seems reasonable to me to hold off on the vote until the number is assigned and the document can be retrieved by it. I think we expected this to occur already and this is why we scheduled a vote. However, it does seem questionable to vote on a document that cannot be formally identified. > > > > Do you think this number will come in the next few days (we need to start the vote on June 14th)? Alternatively we can have this vote as soon as the number is assigned or with the very next batch of standards. > > > > What are your thoughts? > > > > Cheers, > > Marty > > From fred@cisco.com Tue Jun 7 09:36:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2652421F84DA for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:36:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bjqhUjK+384l for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AC121F84D4 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:36:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=1898; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1307464577; x=1308674177; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yZ32MhQRWOL673B/O+M+JFWvT1CqoTiX6PcGaTH4eoI=; b=ESdbt6nAd0w5WIpVBMp8XzeVBdyKM6ju/ywqLOtYtMjNa/1ko3uBg10q A0q+JCybiz2NZjYZQ6lMx3lloT7z2zSLMPsTEQIMWhE5S8WwqTLaNG+0K NL0CkFWENn3FCrD9scU7zlgzxVHf3P+RNrHJHyyRF0L3mV8OeWCBB2u9D I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAB5S7k2rRDoH/2dsb2JhbABSph93iHGja54hhiEEhniKEoRMixk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,333,1304294400"; d="scan'208";a="331977371" Received: from mtv-core-2.cisco.com ([171.68.58.7]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Jun 2011 16:35:53 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com [10.32.244.218]) by mtv-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p57GZfoh029249; Tue, 7 Jun 2011 16:35:52 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Tue, 07 Jun 2011 09:35:53 -0700 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com on Tue, 07 Jun 2011 09:35:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <20110607161757.GB21869@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 09:35:52 -0700 Message-Id: References: <032801cc2512$04474380$0cd5ca80$@com> <20110607161757.GB21869@rfc-editor.org> To: RFC Editor X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 09:54:03 -0700 Cc: Vishant Shah , Mark Klerer , Stuart McCafferty , "Widergren, Steve E" , Marty Burns , "David H. Su" , Dave Mollerstuen , IETF SmartPower Directorate Subject: Re: [smartpowerdir] IETF Internet Protocol Standards for Smart Grid X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:36:18 -0000 On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:17 AM, RFC Editor wrote: > Hi Fred, >=20 > Apologies for the delay. We expect the document to be in AUTH48 by > by the end of the week (by Monday at the latest). The document will > be available by RFC number from the AUTH48 directory at that time. >=20 > Please let us know if you have any questions. >=20 > Thanks, > Sandy Thanks Sandy. I believe that the NIST/SGIP folks are primarily looking = for the RFC number, from which they can work out the link. Can you tell = us what number will be assigned? > On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 06:24:12AM -0700, Fred Baker wrote: >> Ladies: >>=20 >> I am in receipt of a query from NIST's contractr for the Smart Grid = regarding http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-baker-ietf-core. Can you = comment on it please? >>=20 >> Fred >>=20 >> On Jun 7, 2011, at 5:54 AM, Marty Burns wrote: >>=20 >>> Fred, >>>=20 >>> We received a comment from Microsoft today about placing our = Internet RFC on the Catalog of Standards before it receives an RFC = number from the IETF. >>>=20 >>> ?The IETF Internet Protocol Standards for Smart Grid should not be = voted on until its been published as an RFC? from John Calhoon ? = Microsoft >>>=20 >>> I think there is merit to this position and it seems reasonable to = me to hold off on the vote until the number is assigned and the document = can be retrieved by it. I think we expected this to occur already and = this is why we scheduled a vote. However, it does seem questionable to = vote on a document that cannot be formally identified. >>>=20 >>> Do you think this number will come in the next few days (we need to = start the vote on June 14th)? Alternatively we can have this vote as = soon as the number is assigned or with the very next batch of standards. >>>=20 >>> What are your thoughts? >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>> Marty >>>=20 From rfc-ed@rfc-editor.org Wed Jun 8 08:06:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBAB11E80E4 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:06:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.38 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.38 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.220, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id omizU6jVCWfK for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1890:1112:1::2f]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD0911E80E3 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 6000) id 6E8B298C1F6; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 08:06:20 -0700 From: RFC Editor To: Fred Baker Message-ID: <20110608150620.GA19392@rfc-editor.org> References: <032801cc2512$04474380$0cd5ca80$@com> <20110607161757.GB21869@rfc-editor.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 08:19:39 -0700 Cc: Vishant Shah , Mark Klerer , Stuart McCafferty , "Widergren, Steve E" , RFC Editor , Marty Burns , "David H. Su" , Dave Mollerstuen , IETF SmartPower Directorate Subject: Re: [smartpowerdir] IETF Internet Protocol Standards for Smart Grid X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 15:06:21 -0000 Hi Fred, Thank you for brining this matter to our attention. As you know, policy doesn't allow for early assignment and release of RFC numbers to the public until a document reaches AUTH48. However, as we understand the importance of providing the RFC number a bit early in this case, and we know that the document will be released to AUTH48 soon, we are making an exception. draft-baker-ietf-core-15 will be released to AUTH48 as RFC 6272. Please let us know if you have any questions. Thanks, Sandy On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 09:35:52AM -0700, Fred Baker wrote: > > On Jun 7, 2011, at 9:17 AM, RFC Editor wrote: > > > Hi Fred, > > > > Apologies for the delay. We expect the document to be in AUTH48 by > > by the end of the week (by Monday at the latest). The document will > > be available by RFC number from the AUTH48 directory at that time. > > > > Please let us know if you have any questions. > > > > Thanks, > > Sandy > > > Thanks Sandy. I believe that the NIST/SGIP folks are primarily looking for the RFC number, from which they can work out the link. Can you tell us what number will be assigned? > > > > On Tue, Jun 07, 2011 at 06:24:12AM -0700, Fred Baker wrote: > >> Ladies: > >> > >> I am in receipt of a query from NIST's contractr for the Smart Grid regarding http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-baker-ietf-core. Can you comment on it please? > >> > >> Fred > >> > >> On Jun 7, 2011, at 5:54 AM, Marty Burns wrote: > >> > >>> Fred, > >>> > >>> We received a comment from Microsoft today about placing our Internet RFC on the Catalog of Standards before it receives an RFC number from the IETF. > >>> > >>> ?The IETF Internet Protocol Standards for Smart Grid should not be voted on until its been published as an RFC? from John Calhoon ? Microsoft > >>> > >>> I think there is merit to this position and it seems reasonable to me to hold off on the vote until the number is assigned and the document can be retrieved by it. I think we expected this to occur already and this is why we scheduled a vote. However, it does seem questionable to vote on a document that cannot be formally identified. > >>> > >>> Do you think this number will come in the next few days (we need to start the vote on June 14th)? Alternatively we can have this vote as soon as the number is assigned or with the very next batch of standards. > >>> > >>> What are your thoughts? > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Marty > >>> From mehmet.ersue@nsn.com Thu Jun 16 03:10:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA63811E81FE for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 03:10:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kp-eHCt5E5xy for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 03:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.32]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E82A11E809C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 03:10:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p5GAAdNs028464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:10:39 +0200 Received: from demuexc022.nsn-intra.net (demuexc022.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.35]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p5GAATaR021977; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:10:38 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.18]) by demuexc022.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:10:25 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:08:43 +0200 Message-ID: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A64023C082F@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Netconf] NETCONF on Constrained Devices (NETCONF Light) Thread-Index: AcwkFf7A6XZ7xQ8XTPSk+amzR9CM+QH9jm0w From: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2011 10:10:25.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C53DB00:01CC2C0D] Cc: "Tschofenig, Hannes \(NSN - FI/Espoo\)" , Juergen Schoenwaelder Subject: [smartpowerdir] FW: [Netconf] NETCONF on Constrained Devices (NETCONF Light) X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:10:47 -0000 Hi All, below is a draft on "Network Configuration for Constrained Devices". There will be most likely another discussion on "Network Management for Smart Objects" in the OPSAREA open meeting in Quebec (s. attachment). Cheers,=20 Mehmet=20 -----Original Message----- From: netconf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Juergen Schoenwaelder Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:50 AM To: netconf@ietf.org Subject: [Netconf] NETCONF on Constrained Devices (NETCONF Light) Hi, at the last IETF, we demoed some work to fit NETCONF on small embedded resource constrained devices running Contiki. We have meanwhile made some more progress and we started to write up an I-D that defines what we currently call 'NETCONF Light'. /js ---8<---8<--- A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Network Configuration Protocol for Constrained Devices (NETCONF Light) Author(s) : Vladislav Perelman Juergen Schoenwaelder Mehmet Ersue Filename : draft-schoenw-netconf-light-00.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2011-06-05 This document describes a profile of the NETCONF protocol for resource constrained devices, called NETCONF Light. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-schoenw-netconf-light-00.txt=20 ---8<---8<--- --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ Netconf mailing list Netconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf From mehmet.ersue@nsn.com Thu Jun 16 03:19:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9547F11E809C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 03:19:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jsuotumqqfHZ for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 03:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6019611E8213 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 03:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p5GAJRwS032387 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:19:27 +0200 Received: from demuexc024.nsn-intra.net (demuexc024.nsn-intra.net [10.159.32.11]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p5GAJO1X007281; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:19:27 +0200 Received: from DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.18]) by demuexc024.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:19:27 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CC2C0E.DE9C4B4B" Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:19:25 +0200 Message-ID: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A64023C084E@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Netconf] NETCONF on Constrained Devices (NETCONF Light) Thread-Index: AcwkFf7A6XZ7xQ8XTPSk+amzR9CM+QH9jm0wAAB+OcA= From: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2011 10:19:27.0048 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF10B480:01CC2C0E] Cc: "Tschofenig, Hannes \(NSN - FI/Espoo\)" , Juergen Schoenwaelder Subject: [smartpowerdir] FW: [Netconf] NETCONF on Constrained Devices (NETCONF Light) X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:19:31 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC2C0E.DE9C4B4B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable w/ attachment -----Original Message----- From: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)=20 Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:09 PM To: 'smartpowerdir@ietf.org' Cc: 'Juergen Schoenwaelder'; Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) Subject: FW: [Netconf] NETCONF on Constrained Devices (NETCONF Light) Hi All, below is a draft on "Network Configuration for Constrained Devices". There will be most likely another discussion on "Network Management for Smart Objects" in the OPSAREA open meeting in Quebec (s. attachment). Cheers,=20 Mehmet=20 -----Original Message----- From: netconf-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:netconf-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Juergen Schoenwaelder Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 8:50 AM To: netconf@ietf.org Subject: [Netconf] NETCONF on Constrained Devices (NETCONF Light) Hi, at the last IETF, we demoed some work to fit NETCONF on small embedded resource constrained devices running Contiki. We have meanwhile made some more progress and we started to write up an I-D that defines what we currently call 'NETCONF Light'. /js ---8<---8<--- A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Network Configuration Protocol for Constrained Devices (NETCONF Light) Author(s) : Vladislav Perelman Juergen Schoenwaelder Mehmet Ersue Filename : draft-schoenw-netconf-light-00.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2011-06-05 This document describes a profile of the NETCONF protocol for resource constrained devices, called NETCONF Light. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-schoenw-netconf-light-00.txt=20 ---8<---8<--- --=20 Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 _______________________________________________ Netconf mailing list Netconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netconf ------_=_NextPart_001_01CC2C0E.DE9C4B4B Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: from demuexc024.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.11]) by DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:48:13 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070206050002050707090308" Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demuexc024.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:48:13 +0200 Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (DEMUMFD002 [93.183.12.31]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p5FGmCbf014539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:48:12 +0200 Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p5FGmBMM029262; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:48:11 +0200 Received: from leavealone.cisco.com (72-163-0-129.cisco.com [72.163.0.129]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CC22F400A5; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:48:27 -0600 (MDT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Network Management for Smart Objects Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:48:03 +0200 Message-ID: <4DF8E243.50403@stpeter.im> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Network Management for Smart Objects Thread-Index: AcwrfASQZO56HgsSRoWrWdwIJhmw3Q== References: <20110615081637.GA228@elstar.local> From: "ext Peter Saint-Andre" To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" Cc: "Juergen Schoenwaelder" , "Pete Resnick" , "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" , "Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" , "Jari Arkko" , "Ronald Bonica" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070206050002050707090308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I am happy to reach out to folks in the CORE WG about this. On 6/15/11 2:22 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >=20 >=20 > Pete and Peter,=20 >=20 > See the following exchange of messages and Juergen's question.=20 >=20 > Your opinion?=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks and Regards, >=20 > Dan=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Juergen Schoenwaelder [mailto:j.schoenwaelder@jacobs- >> university.de] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:17 AM >> To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) >> Cc: mehmet.ersue@nsn.com; Hannes.Tschofenig@nsn.com; Jari Arkko; Ronal= d >> Bonica >> Subject: Re: Network Management for Smart Objects >> >> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 06:27:43PM +0200, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: >>> >>> >>> Juergen, Mehmet, >>> >>> See the following message from Hannes and Jari following up the smart= >>> object workshop and your contributions there. They suggest that you >>> continue the discussion - possibly in the OPSAREA open meeting in >> Quebec >>> City. What is your response to this suggestion? >>> >> >> There is meanwhile also this I-D: >> >> V. Perelman, J. Sch=C3=B6nw=C3=A4lder, M. Ersue: Network Configurati= on >> Protocol for Constrained Devices (NETCONF Light). Internet-Draft >> , June 2011. >> >> I believe there is a more general question how networks made of >> contrained devices should be managed and if we spent time on this in >> OPS-AREA, we should also get CORE/COAP folks, that is parts of the APP= >> area, into this since they might have a different view. >> >> /js >> >> -- >> Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH >> Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany >> Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >=20 >>> ----------- >=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net] >>> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 12:19 PM >>> To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) >>> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; Jari Arkko >>> Subject: Network Management for Smart Objects >>> >>> Hi Dan, >>> >>> as discussed on IM a few minutes ago I send you the material that was= >>> proposed for discussion at the smart object workshop. >>> >>> In this position paper Mehmet talks at a high level about the need to= >>> look into network management in the smart object space: >>> http://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2011/03/Ersue.pdf >>> >>> Juergen then goes into more details with his position paper with a >>> focus on SNMP: >>> http://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2011/03/Schoenwaelder.pdf >>> >>> There is also an IETF draft available: >>> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hamid-6lowpan-snmp- >>> optimizations-03.txt >>> >>> I would suggest to ping Mehmet & Juergen to put a talk together for >>> your open area meeting to see whether others have also looked into >> the >>> topic. >>> >>> Ciao >>> Hannes >=20 --=20 Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ --------------ms070206050002050707090308 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIITzjCC 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X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAJtgCk6rRDoJ/2dsb2JhbABSp0F3qymBHp4DhjAEkhCEbotP X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,440,1304294400"; d="scan'208";a="388071554" Received: from mtv-core-4.cisco.com ([171.68.58.9]) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jun 2011 23:16:22 +0000 Received: from jpannick-tmp9.cisco.com ([10.21.72.119]) by mtv-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5SNFkdB026623 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:16:22 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by jpannick-tmp9.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:16:22 -0400 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by jpannick-tmp9.cisco.com on Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:16:22 -0400 From: Fred Baker Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:16:21 -0400 Message-Id: To: IETF SmartPower Directorate Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [smartpowerdir] Meeting at IETF-81 X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:16:32 -0000 I suggest we meet. Next question is "when". I'm going to suggest that it = be a meal-time meeting. IAOC typically has Wednesday breakfast, and IAB = and IESG typically have breakfast meetings; the list goes on. Doodle poll: http://www.doodle.com/7gtc8769het7afrv=