From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Thu Apr 2 15:33:51 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D233A6D63 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:33:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.101, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GGBtshx1yajo for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA363A6C13 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so869696wfg.31 for ; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:34:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Hwa9mB1fvlilOUpiAwrlgjNRtSzbIjcEiI3lS7f8D14=; b=KrydY2s0Dy1200NGgo2AmLkf5HVBmgNFSESgnzY7TuEuzbjn/gCm37+aE/Hv3PeMZa mDIlX7gzfr5djXbnDXpaS6bxR6H03dg5MD9uScw8tkCBVaQHOjZDk19wjP3ZJ4VvDm5h I0ObaTDKZ5qSkAgcV0ETf+uXQbdoFeqpgGCH0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=QZEWgSmLuSY6vTpKhLaN4TM2IfxZorW78tThRzbXUNvpbARCKrEEH4B/Bo4jPNbFrS 0TeRenNrzLXK0pfbHNYBWWfoRLBhq43pPo5DPMcYz3TXeUfdkjaLCUPdF6p28dnnoQmQ kMzMLRfYYWZjbFxBGLvJKZmYRc+J1yYgtArxY= Received: by 10.142.43.7 with SMTP id q7mr117221wfq.118.1238711692711; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?130.216.38.124? (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 27sm2198178wff.28.2009.04.02.15.34.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 02 Apr 2009 15:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49D53D9C.2080502@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:35:08 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] ID tracker anomaly? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:33:51 -0000 Not sure if this is a bug or a feature, but the ID tracker entry https://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/draft-despres-6rd/ currently shows a) " IESG Discussion: No IESG evaluation record" and b) That at least 2 ADs have recorded 'no objection' Since this draft is an RFC Editor submission, maybe this is intentional??? Brian From Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Thu Apr 2 23:09:05 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D7E3A68C7 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 23:09:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.464 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.135, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QdhZQxmtIDls for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 23:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx03.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D34D3A6845 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 23:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id n3369cO5000674; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:10:01 +0300 Received: from vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.30]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:09:54 +0300 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.7]) by vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 3 Apr 2009 09:09:49 +0300 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.86]) by nok-am1mhub-03.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.7]) with mapi; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:09:48 +0200 From: To: , Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 08:09:46 +0200 Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] ID tracker anomaly? Thread-Index: Acmz40WZjmyWlQ9iRLOv70FVx63xpQAPKCQw Message-ID: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727F21CDB14@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <49D53D9C.2080502@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49D53D9C.2080502@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Apr 2009 06:09:49.0279 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB7F86F0:01C9B422] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ID tracker anomaly? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 06:09:05 -0000 Brian E Carpenter wrote: > Not sure if this is a bug or a feature, but the ID tracker entry > https://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/draft-despres-6rd/ > currently shows >=20 > a) " IESG Discussion: No IESG evaluation record" > and > b) That at least 2 ADs have recorded 'no objection' >=20 > Since this draft is an RFC Editor submission, maybe this is > intentional??? I'm not totally sure if it's a bug or a feature (I'm leaning towards "bug"), but the explanation isn't being an RFC Editor submission. The tracker doesn't show the IESG evaluation record before the responsible AD has issued the ballot (=3Dwritten the ballot writeup and clicked "Issue this ballot" in IESG view). Before the ballot is issued, nobody except the responsible AD is supposed to get to the ballot (the public page says "No IESG evaluation record", and there's no "Open Web Ballot" link in the=20 IESG view or IESG agenda page). However, there's *one* place (in IESG-only view) where the code=20 doesn't check the "ballot_issued" flag, and other ADs can get to=20 the ballot (and update their positions) before they're supposed to. This bug has caused lot of confusion earlier (since even ADs can't find the ballot via the normal means; e.g. via the IESG agenda page), so I'll try to get it fixed. (This would probably mean checking the "ballot_issued" flag in the one page that currently doesn't check it, and warning ADs if they attempt to place a document on the agenda without issuing the ballot.) Best regards, Pasi= From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Fri Apr 3 12:39:45 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B983A6938 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:39:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.104, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6UDRN22C0uTa for ; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ti-out-0910.google.com (ti-out-0910.google.com [209.85.142.188]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EFD43A6827 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ti-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id j3so1117771tid.25 for ; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:40:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+WuEY/rgRSasyf99YvumuR31fhlfZBy8MRLQf0Mmh24=; b=HEaFX+fCk5JhMSE6r9LFI0KheSieK9ZeOF3ARFrnJtevZiKfXpXmXcC5tW1QgX58/7 eKXR5xosOXTG5hw70ujUk6MAEn4UeBxT9gwx9OtxIGNvSgQh0JHvNPsPU/fISdwyN9r0 6F0NCZ3CrwPzPcKF0U4jNi51zsfFHV8NvkTzc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=SLXemyBMr2ObkNEn8C4YLWYs7aiOl9fVJp/KGFZEraxzZukZfOWAS6U9FY2Q0SSmUh OzDkRQrkm0ueHoMPGkEOA8XABs6n8GNdFiz5wthO6SndyGs47KaUDVbcxn6nRhii9kDy ULjGS4nHBB7v5yzPf4KZi2f2Zpon5JSjaZGVM= Received: by 10.110.43.16 with SMTP id q16mr2179723tiq.39.1238787646666; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:40:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.1.1.4? (118-92-110-80.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz [118.92.110.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i6sm2045581tid.19.2009.04.03.12.40.43 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49D66632.3020701@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:40:34 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com References: <49D53D9C.2080502@gmail.com> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727F21CDB14@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727F21CDB14@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ID tracker anomaly? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:39:45 -0000 Oh! I'm not sure whether that was the case while I was an AD; but I agree that it's a bug, and it did always annoy me when a draft appeared on the agenda without the ballot being issued. I used to nag other ADs about it regularly :-) Thanks Brian On 2009-04-03 19:09, Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com wrote: > Brian E Carpenter wrote: > >> Not sure if this is a bug or a feature, but the ID tracker entry >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/idtracker/draft-despres-6rd/ >> currently shows >> >> a) " IESG Discussion: No IESG evaluation record" >> and >> b) That at least 2 ADs have recorded 'no objection' >> >> Since this draft is an RFC Editor submission, maybe this is >> intentional??? > > I'm not totally sure if it's a bug or a feature (I'm leaning towards > "bug"), but the explanation isn't being an RFC Editor submission. > > The tracker doesn't show the IESG evaluation record before the > responsible AD has issued the ballot (=written the ballot writeup and > clicked "Issue this ballot" in IESG view). > > Before the ballot is issued, nobody except the responsible AD is > supposed to get to the ballot (the public page says "No IESG > evaluation record", and there's no "Open Web Ballot" link in the > IESG view or IESG agenda page). > > However, there's *one* place (in IESG-only view) where the code > doesn't check the "ballot_issued" flag, and other ADs can get to > the ballot (and update their positions) before they're supposed to. > > This bug has caused lot of confusion earlier (since even ADs can't > find the ballot via the normal means; e.g. via the IESG agenda page), > so I'll try to get it fixed. > > (This would probably mean checking the "ballot_issued" flag in the one > page that currently doesn't check it, and warning ADs if they attempt > to place a document on the agenda without issuing the ballot.) > > Best regards, > Pasi From duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp Fri Apr 17 02:41:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21EB63A68E7 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:41:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.062 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.062 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.272, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AF0Bkrp4S8JS for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scmailgw2.scop.aoyama.ac.jp (scmailgw2.scop.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.251.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545593A687C for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scmse3.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.253.23]) by scmailgw2.scop.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id n3H9gX2k001293 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:42:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from (unknown [133.2.206.133]) by scmse3.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 6150_133a7ecc_2b34_11de_a0df_001d0969ab06; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:42:32 +0900 Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([133.2.210.1]:40205) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:41:23 +0900 Message-ID: <49E84EF4.30200@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:42:12 +0900 From: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090108 Eudora/3.0b1pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040405040102060004050004" Cc: Paul Hoffman , Tim Bray Subject: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-hoffman-utf8-rfcs-05.txt] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:41:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040405040102060004050004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Seems like some tool picked up the wrong authors from this draft (those in the example, not in the Authors' Addresses section). Regards, Martin. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: I-D Action:draft-hoffman-utf8-rfcs-05.txt Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:30:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Using non-ASCII Characters in RFCs Author(s) : X. Faltstrom, et al. Filename : draft-hoffman-utf8-rfcs-05.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2009-04-14 This document specifies a change to the IETF process in which Internet Drafts and RFCs are allowed to contain non-ASCII characters. The proposed change is to change the encoding of Internet Drafts and RFCs to UTF-8 when non-ASCII characters are needed. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hoffman-utf8-rfcs-05.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. -- #-# Martin J. Dürst, Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University #-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp --------------040405040102060004050004 Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-hoffman-utf8-rfcs-05.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="draft-hoffman-utf8-rfcs-05.txt" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2009-04-14101827.I-D@ietf.org> --------------040405040102060004050004 Content-Type: text/plain; name="Attached Message Part" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Attached Message Part" X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX18NCkktRC1B bm5vdW5jZSBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QNCkktRC1Bbm5vdW5jZUBpZXRmLm9yZw0KaHR0cHM6Ly93 d3cuaWV0Zi5vcmcvbWFpbG1hbi9saXN0aW5mby9pLWQtYW5ub3VuY2UNCkludGVybmV0LURy YWZ0IGRpcmVjdG9yaWVzOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LmlldGYub3JnL3NoYWRvdy5odG1sDQpvciBm dHA6Ly9mdHAuaWV0Zi5vcmcvaWV0Zi8xc2hhZG93LXNpdGVzLnR4dA0KDQo= --------------040405040102060004050004-- From dcrocker@bbiw.net Mon Apr 20 09:06:36 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A923A6ECE for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:06:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LXi42j8ImmDg for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (mail.mipassoc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1:76:0:ffff:4834:7146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428CA3A6892 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ppp-67-124-88-232.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.124.88.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n3KG7iBt002666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:07:49 -0700 Message-ID: <49EC9DD0.1080501@bbiw.net> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:07:44 -0700 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 16:06:36 -0000 Hi. Not sure who to send this to, so this list gets nominated: There is a bug in the automatic diff mechanism. The diff pointed to, below, says there are no changes. Whereas, running rfcdiff on: vs. produces a lengthy set of differences. d/ -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:00:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Internet-Draft@ietf.org To: dkim-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-dkim-overview@tools.ietf.org, pasi.eronen@nokia.com New version (-11) has been submitted for draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt Diff from previous version: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11 IETF Secretariat. -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Mon Apr 20 12:11:10 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 124F13A69E4 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:11:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.145, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qpLdn3Mbtpdf for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx03.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED9573A6FD8 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id n3KJBgR0014109; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:11:52 +0300 Received: from vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.30]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:11:52 +0300 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.7]) by vaebh104.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:11:45 +0300 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.86]) by nok-am1mhub-03.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.7]) with mapi; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:11:44 +0200 From: To: , Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:11:43 +0200 Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt] Thread-Index: AcnB0jAqZufcEGDiRT2EVD6Imj6SLgAFqvSQ Message-ID: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727F23C83B0@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <49EC9DD0.1080501@bbiw.net> In-Reply-To: <49EC9DD0.1080501@bbiw.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Apr 2009 19:11:45.0589 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8D20E50:01C9C1EB] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:11:10 -0000 Hi, I added the "Diff from previous version" link to the new version notification emails in the San Francisco tools code sprint. The short URL in the email works the same way as: http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Dhttp://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dk= im-overview-10.txt&url2=3Dhttp://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dkim-overview= -11.txt which doesn't work until the tools.ietf.org server has rsync'd the new draft (30 minutes on average, I think). Until the server has the new draft, it says "The files are identical", which is clearly wrong. I'll try to come up with a fix in a week or two (probably something along the lines "check if we have this version; if we don't, use URL pointing to www.ietf.org instead").... Best regards, Pasi > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave CROCKER > Sent: 20 April, 2009 19:08 > To: tools-discuss@ietf.org > Subject: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-ietf- > dkim-overview-11.txt] >=20 > Hi. >=20 > Not sure who to send this to, so this list gets nominated: >=20 > There is a bug in the automatic diff mechanism. The diff pointed > to, below, says there are no changes. Whereas, running rfcdiff on: >=20 > > vs. > >=20 > produces a lengthy set of differences. >=20 > d/ >=20 > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:00:01 -0700 (PDT) > From: Internet-Draft@ietf.org > To: dkim-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-dkim-overview@tools.ietf.org, > pasi.eronen@nokia.com >=20 > New version (-11) has been submitted for draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt. > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt >=20 >=20 > Diff from previous version: > http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dkim-overview-11 >=20 > IETF Secretariat. >=20 >=20 > -- >=20 > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From dcrocker@bbiw.net Mon Apr 20 12:16:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC41228C16C for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:16:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oEvFdb7SlRTZ for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (mail.mipassoc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1:76:0:ffff:4834:7146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C2528C314 for ; Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ppp-67-124-88-232.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.124.88.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n3KJHDDu016136 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:17:19 -0700 Message-ID: <49ECCA39.2080406@bbiw.net> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:17:13 -0700 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com References: <49EC9DD0.1080501@bbiw.net> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727F23C83B0@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727F23C83B0@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:16:14 -0000 thanks! d/ Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com wrote: > Hi, > > I added the "Diff from previous version" link to the new version > notification emails in the San Francisco tools code sprint. > The short URL in the email works the same way as: > > http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dkim-overview-10.txt&url2=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt > > which doesn't work until the tools.ietf.org server has rsync'd the new > draft (30 minutes on average, I think). Until the server has the new > draft, it says "The files are identical", which is clearly wrong. > > I'll try to come up with a fix in a week or two (probably something > along the lines "check if we have this version; if we don't, use > URL pointing to www.ietf.org instead").... > > Best regards, > Pasi > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave CROCKER >> Sent: 20 April, 2009 19:08 >> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org >> Subject: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-ietf- >> dkim-overview-11.txt] >> >> Hi. >> >> Not sure who to send this to, so this list gets nominated: >> >> There is a bug in the automatic diff mechanism. The diff pointed >> to, below, says there are no changes. Whereas, running rfcdiff on: >> >> >> vs. >> >> >> produces a lengthy set of differences. >> >> d/ >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt >> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:00:01 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Internet-Draft@ietf.org >> To: dkim-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-dkim-overview@tools.ietf.org, >> pasi.eronen@nokia.com >> >> New version (-11) has been submitted for draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt. >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt >> >> >> Diff from previous version: >> http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11 >> >> IETF Secretariat. >> >> >> -- >> >> Dave Crocker >> Brandenburg InternetWorking >> bbiw.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Apr 21 06:18:18 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314733A702D for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:18:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lAnpzNor+wGe for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EFB3A6B12 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:53732) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LwFsk-0007Uf-8w; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:19:27 +0200 Message-ID: <49EDC7DD.6050305@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:19:25 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com References: <49EC9DD0.1080501@bbiw.net> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727F23C83B0@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727F23C83B0@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com, dcrocker@bbiw.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: dcrocker@bbiw.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:18:18 -0000 Hi, On 2009-04-20 21:11 Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com said the following: > Hi, > > I added the "Diff from previous version" link to the new version > notification emails in the San Francisco tools code sprint. > The short URL in the email works the same way as: > > http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dkim-overview-10.txt&url2=http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt > > which doesn't work until the tools.ietf.org server has rsync'd the new > draft (30 minutes on average, I think). Until the server has the new > draft, it says "The files are identical", which is clearly wrong. Right. Should be fixed now. The diff service will try to retrieve the desired version locally, and if that fails, will try the master repository, and if that fails will pop up an error message, instead of falling back to the latest available version when a document can't be found. > I'll try to come up with a fix in a week or two (probably something > along the lines "check if we have this version; if we don't, use > URL pointing to www.ietf.org instead").... Should be no need for that workaround now. Hopefully. Best, Henrik > Best regards, > Pasi > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave CROCKER >> Sent: 20 April, 2009 19:08 >> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org >> Subject: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-ietf- >> dkim-overview-11.txt] >> >> Hi. >> >> Not sure who to send this to, so this list gets nominated: >> >> There is a bug in the automatic diff mechanism. The diff pointed >> to, below, says there are no changes. Whereas, running rfcdiff on: >> >> >> vs. >> >> >> produces a lengthy set of differences. >> >> d/ >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt >> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:00:01 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Internet-Draft@ietf.org >> To: dkim-chairs@tools.ietf.org, draft-ietf-dkim-overview@tools.ietf.org, >> pasi.eronen@nokia.com >> >> New version (-11) has been submitted for draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt. >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt >> >> >> Diff from previous version: >> http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11 >> >> IETF Secretariat. >> >> >> -- >> >> Dave Crocker >> Brandenburg InternetWorking >> bbiw.net >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From dcrocker@bbiw.net Tue Apr 21 06:23:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C775A3A69DD for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:23:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lxr7wi5aWwpn for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (mail.mipassoc.org [IPv6:2001:470:1:76:0:ffff:4834:7146]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789313A6BB7 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ppp-67-124-88-232.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.124.88.232]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n3LDOQOR003767 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:24:31 -0700 Message-ID: <49EDC909.6010004@bbiw.net> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:24:25 -0700 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <49EC9DD0.1080501@bbiw.net> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727F23C83B0@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <49EDC7DD.6050305@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <49EDC7DD.6050305@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:23:17 -0000 Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Right. Should be fixed now. ... >> I'll try to come up with a fix in a week or two By the way, I really appreciate having this feature added to the service. Circulating a diff to the working group has become pretty much standard fare in the efforts I've been involved in. While the steps for doing it manually, using rfcdiff, aren't onerous, having it be automatically available is a nice win. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From tony@att.com Tue Apr 21 08:32:32 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B003A7005 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:32:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.46 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.46 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.139, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KhXShOONAFTJ for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:32:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail121.messagelabs.com (mail121.messagelabs.com [216.82.242.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF2F3A6C07 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:32:31 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-121.messagelabs.com!1240328025!31509015!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.0.0; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.128.141] Received: (qmail 10488 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2009 15:33:46 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp9.sbc.com (HELO flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com) (144.160.128.141) by server-10.tower-121.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 21 Apr 2009 15:33:46 -0000 Received: from enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n3LFXjfT025432 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:33:45 -0700 Received: from klph001.kcdc.att.com (klph001.kcdc.att.com [135.188.3.11]) by flph161.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n3LFXf9I025371 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:33:42 -0700 Received: from kcdc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by klph001.kcdc.att.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n3LFXfMf016869 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:33:41 -0500 Received: from maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by klph001.kcdc.att.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id n3LFXbRn016747 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:33:37 -0500 Received: from [135.70.242.66] (vpn-135-70-242-66.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.242.66](untrusted sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20090421153337gw1000u62fe> (Authid: tony); Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:33:37 +0000 Message-ID: <49EDE750.5080303@att.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:33:36 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <49EC9DD0.1080501@bbiw.net> <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727F23C83B0@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> <49EDC7DD.6050305@levkowetz.com> <49EDC909.6010004@bbiw.net> In-Reply-To: <49EDC909.6010004@bbiw.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: New Version Notification - draft-ietf-dkim-overview-11.txt] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:32:32 -0000 +1!!! Dave CROCKER wrote: > > > Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Right. Should be fixed now. > ... >>> I'll try to come up with a fix in a week or two > > > By the way, I really appreciate having this feature added to the service. > > Circulating a diff to the working group has become pretty much standard > fare in the efforts I've been involved in. > > While the steps for doing it manually, using rfcdiff, aren't onerous, > having it be automatically available is a nice win. > > d/ > From bortzmeyer@nic.fr Fri Apr 24 05:52:55 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA7928C1D2 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:52:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.886 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.886 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.363, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sBmoOTyFq82J for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.nic.fr (mx2.nic.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3003:2::4:11]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B974728C1BA for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id BCCE81C00F9 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:54:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay1.nic.fr (relay1.nic.fr [192.134.4.162]) by mx2.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5E61C00F8 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:54:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bortzmeyer.nic.fr (batilda.nic.fr [192.134.4.69]) by relay1.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB696A1D9B7 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:54:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:54:11 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Message-ID: <20090424125411.GA21272@nic.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO" Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 X-Kernel: Linux 2.6.26-1-686 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: [Tools-discuss] [jbates@brightok.net: Problems reaching tools.ietf.org?] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:52:55 -0000 --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Confirmed from my network (Renater/OpenTransit). --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from maya.nic.fr [192.134.4.160] by batilda.nic.fr with POP3 (fetchmail-6.3.9-rc2) for (single-drop); Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:50:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay1.nic.fr (relay1.nic.fr [192.134.4.162]) by maya20.nic.fr (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id n3OCmXCc1080305 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:48:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: by relay1.nic.fr (Postfix) id 05E11A1D9BE; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:48:33 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: bortzmeyer@nic.fr Received: from mx1.nic.fr (mx1.nic.fr [192.134.4.10]) by relay1.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F14A1D9B7 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:48:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx1.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id ED99B171408A for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:48:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mx1.nic.fr (Postfix, from userid 500) id DAC94171408D; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:48:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from s0.nanog.org (s0.nanog.org [IPv6:2001:48a8:6880:95::20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2E2171408A for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:48:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=s0.nanog.org) by s0.nanog.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LxKov-000Gpq-V2; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:47:58 +0000 Received: from mail2.brightok.net ([69.8.2.137] helo=deimos.brightok.net) by s0.nanog.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1LxKmY-000EUU-RX for nanog@nanog.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:45:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.173] ([69.8.25.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by deimos.brightok.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id n3OCjQp7028671 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:45:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <49F1B456.5030502@brightok.net> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:45:10 -0500 Old-From: Jack Bates User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nanog list Old-Subject: Problems reaching tools.ietf.org? 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From: Jack Bates Received-SPF: on batilda: SPF-pass localhost is always allowed. spfquery: localhost is always allowed. Received-SPF: pass (spfquery: localhost is always allowed.) client-ip=127.0.0.1; envelope-from=; helo=mx1.nic.fr; Anyone seeing issues with reachability for tools.ietf.org in IPv6? v4 works fine for me, but oh, the timeouts. :( Tracing the route to tools.ietf.org (2001:1890:1112:1:214:22FF:FE1F:1E54) 1 bnet6-2.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net (2001:470:1F03:1031::1) 64 msec 64 msec 64 msec 2 1g-3-9.core1.fmt1.ipv6.he.net (2001:470:0:44::3) 76 msec 72 msec 76 msec 3 10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.pao1.he.net (2001:470:0:2E::2) 64 msec 64 msec 64 msec 4 10gigabitethernet2-4.core1.ash1.he.net (2001:470:0:35::2) 144 msec 140 msec 140 msec 5 ibr01-ve96.asbn01.occaid.net (2001:504:0:2:0:3:71:1) 140 msec 140 msec 140 msec 6 r1.flpnj.ipv6.att.net (2001:4830:E2:2B::2) 148 msec 148 msec 148 msec 7 2001:1890:61:9117::2 224 msec 228 msec 224 msec 8 2001:1890:61:9117::2 !H * * --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO-- From richard.barnes@gmail.com Fri Apr 17 04:22:15 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79AD3A69D8 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:22:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_BACKHAIR_15=1, J_BACKHAIR_51=1, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wg-7yd5WzrPR for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6DB3A68E7 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 22so150531fge.18 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:23:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=e413y1PQo3zHihKmsWv+SGhMX3IJfMqWQuq9uYRp+EE=; b=f67TfzvMaFWxyDk7kMK6fyAZHrT0G+6dDKg9ofo4fVci5XAzHkQvv7WW6aqEsHXIcR Ytb+orFiEQT8qysffep/GvJKCd1dXnn+l3YQDQhZkkOpe36EZHtMD16E5qlLHHafWstC ekNUpw1IxYwnweQrsQyVuyd+eiFJDDUkPmxSU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Pj0nMYNJo5HqFKEqjWbU3/2McklS/CbbVMIB7IgPYx8Hz0yB/KmrJjDgFOo4Yoz599 SKxTK0BrPY465igVJ3MeKSz6dPwy6lLkl3f3r9WuCK+h8qFv6hFOrk2sGtnXZGMnhIsF gJ0Z3L8LCsBDZCYVoB6U0T7TBUKRHDIBVDN7I= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.86.86.10 with SMTP id j10mr1962307fgb.37.1239967406236; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:23:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <49E84EF4.30200@it.aoyama.ac.jp> References: <49E84EF4.30200@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:23:26 -0400 Message-ID: <88ac5c710904170423u36254cb3if54a3ba84827470e@mail.gmail.com> From: Richard Barnes To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martin_J=2E_D=FCrst?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:14:32 -0700 Cc: Paul Hoffman , Tim Bray , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-hoffman-utf8-rfcs-05.txt] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:22:15 -0000 Could be because of this bit of text: " Author's Address Xiaodong Faltstrom ( Fltstrm) ExampleCo Email: xiaodong.faltstrom@example.com " On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 5:42 AM, "Martin J. D=FCrst" wrote: > Seems like some tool picked up the wrong authors from this draft > (those in the example, not in the Authors' Addresses section). > > Regards, =A0 =A0Martin. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: I-D Action:draft-hoffman-utf8-rfcs-05.txt > Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:30:01 -0700 (PDT) > From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > Reply-To: internet-drafts@ietf.org > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Title =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : Using non-ASCII Characters in = RFCs > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Author(s) =A0 =A0 =A0 : X. Faltstrom, et al. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Filename =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: draft-hoffman-utf8-rfcs-05.txt > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Pages =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 : 8 > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Date =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0: 2009-04-14 > > This document specifies a change to the IETF process in which > Internet Drafts and RFCs are allowed to contain non-ASCII characters. > The proposed change is to change the encoding of Internet Drafts and > RFCs to UTF-8 when non-ASCII characters are needed. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hoffman-utf8-rfcs-05.txt > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > Internet-Draft. > > > -- > #-# Martin J. D=FCrst, Professor, Aoyama Gakuin University > #-# http://www.sw.it.aoyama.ac.jp =A0 mailto:duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > From phoffman@imc.org Fri Apr 17 06:42:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B04D3A6AC2 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:42:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER, Non-encoded 8-bit data (char FC hex): To: ...om>,\n "Martin J. D\374rst" ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:42:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0423A6ABC for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.158] (dsl-63-249-108-169.static.cruzio.com [63.249.108.169]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3HDhZwU017031 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:43:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from phoffman@imc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <88ac5c710904170423u36254cb3if54a3ba84827470e@mail.gmail.com> References: <49E84EF4.30200@it.aoyama.ac.jp> <88ac5c710904170423u36254cb3if54a3ba84827470e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:43:34 -0700 To: Richard Barnes , "Martin J. Dürst" From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:14:32 -0700 Cc: Tim Bray , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [Fwd: I-D Action:draft-hoffman-utf8-rfcs-05.txt] X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:42:29 -0000 I think this is an artifact of an earlier version of the draft having been gotten wrong. It really doesn't matter; the draft is correct. From adam@estacado.net Fri Apr 17 10:36:30 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E36928C18C for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:36:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eAN2mfqfj+36 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from estacado.net (estacado-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:266::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5FE3A6D64 for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.3.231] (dn3-231.estacado.net [172.16.3.231]) (authenticated bits=0) by estacado.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n3HHbZbw099251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:37:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@estacado.net) Message-ID: <49E8BE5F.6010509@estacado.net> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:37:35 -0500 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Postbox 1.0b11 (Macintosh/2009041423) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:14:32 -0700 Subject: [Tools-discuss] New WG Chairs Aliases X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:36:30 -0000 How do the aliases for new working groups get set up? For example, sip-chairs@tools.ietf.org works just fine, but the corresponding aliases for sipcore-chairs@... and dispatch-chairs@... don't appear to be working yet. The "tools.ietf.org" domain on these aliases would suggest that this is a tools issue (instead of an ietf-action issue). If there's somewhere more appropriate to report this, let me know... /a From matt@internet2.edu Tue Apr 28 07:49:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023A93A6E84 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:49:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2hnFY2bEXpCw for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magus.merit.edu (magus.merit.edu [198.108.1.13]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4898A3A6A63 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by magus.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A3F2254C2; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:50:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at magus.merit.edu Received: from magus.merit.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (magus.merit.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id afaKRQlNLDEf; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 180-113.mm.internet2.edu (180-113.mm.internet2.edu [206.196.180.113]) (Authenticated sender: matt@internet2.edu) by magus.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C132258CB; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49F717CA.4030403@internet2.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:50:50 -0400 From: Matthew J Zekauskas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Emile Stephan Subject: [Tools-discuss] html link points to "tombstone" ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:49:31 -0000 Not sure if I should mention this here, or if there is a better place, but fwiw, ippm had a draft expire (draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-09), a new version was put in place a few days later (last week), and is correct. however, gives tombstone text the rest of the links appear to be correct (nits, text/plain, diff...) --Matt From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Apr 28 08:53:29 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15CCA28C19B for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:53:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rxa4h4xMJech for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198273A6C17 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:52850) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lypdv-000231-Jb; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:54:47 +0200 Message-ID: <49F726C7.8070506@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:54:47 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew J Zekauskas References: <49F717CA.4030403@internet2.edu> In-Reply-To: <49F717CA.4030403@internet2.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: matt@internet2.edu, tools-discuss@ietf.org, emile.stephan@orange-ftgroup.com, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Emile Stephan , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] html link points to "tombstone" ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:53:29 -0000 Hi Matt, On 2009-04-28 16:50 Matthew J Zekauskas said the following: > Not sure if I should mention this here, or if there is a better place, > but fwiw, ippm had a draft expire (draft-ietf-ippm-multimetrics-09), a > new version was put in place a few days later (last week), and > > > is correct. > > however, > > gives tombstone text > > the rest of the links appear to be correct (nits, text/plain, diff...) I just checked the link on all the tools servers, and they all seem to be correct now. Do you still get the tombstone? Best, Henrik From matt@internet2.edu Tue Apr 28 09:22:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038643A691A for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:22:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hvntqByzQRtY for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magus.merit.edu (magus.merit.edu [198.108.1.13]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2CB3A6D86 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by magus.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205812252FB; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:23:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at magus.merit.edu Received: from magus.merit.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (magus.merit.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZBdew7h43YmI; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 180-113.mm.internet2.edu (180-113.mm.internet2.edu [206.196.180.113]) (Authenticated sender: matt@internet2.edu) by magus.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D62225169; Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49F72D84.1050601@internet2.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:23:32 -0400 From: Matthew J Zekauskas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Macintosh/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <49F717CA.4030403@internet2.edu> <49F726C7.8070506@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <49F726C7.8070506@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Emile Stephan , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] html link points to "tombstone" ? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:22:16 -0000 On 4/28/09 11:54 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Matt, > > > I just checked the link on all the tools servers, and they all seem > to be correct now. Do you still get the tombstone? Yes, it is correct now. Emile also updated to version 11 just after I sent my note, so I do not know if that triggered a refresh. Thanks for looking, --Matt From mnot@mnot.net Wed Apr 29 23:02:16 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7DE3A6F36 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:02:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.390, BAYES_05=-1.11] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2hTJ1pNLSzU9 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279FD3A6F37 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:02:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [118.208.158.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9BDD4D05A1 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 02:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <6CDF108C-F2AC-4443-8CD2-F7C15016CB1F@mnot.net> From: Mark Nottingham To: Tools Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:03:34 +1000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Problems managing multiple mailing lists X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 06:02:16 -0000 [ I sent this a few weeks back. Recently checking the archives, I found it never got through -- I suspect because of the attachment. Trying again... ] I've been silly enough to volunteer to moderate/own several IETF mailing lists. Each one has different login credentials for administration (e.g., "oauth-administrator", "hybi-administrator"). Somehow, the list interface remembers one of them, and doesn't allow me to change my identity when logging in (see screenshot, and note that I'm trying to log into the hybi list). [ picture at: ] As you can see, it has disabled the 'Login name' text input. For other lists where I share duties with others, the credentials are shared manually between multiple users. Requests - 1) At a minimum, the text input needs to be enabled, so another identity can be entered. Currently, I have to clear my cookies (!) to log in to administer another list, or use another browser. I'm running out of browsers... 2) Ideally, logins should be tied to people, not 'foo-Administrator', and one identity should be able to manage several lists. Thanks, -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com Wed Apr 29 23:54:14 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4883A6F27 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:54:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.463 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.463 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.136, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0WjqW4UkbTCL for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2A33A6DEA for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh106.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.32]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id n3U6tQgY027890; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:55:32 -0500 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by vaebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:55:15 +0300 Received: from vaebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.22]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:55:14 +0300 Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.7]) by vaebh101.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:55:09 +0300 Received: from NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.86]) by nok-am1mhub-03.mgdnok.nokia.com ([65.54.30.7]) with mapi; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:55:08 +0200 From: To: , Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:55:07 +0200 Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] Problems managing multiple mailing lists Thread-Index: AcnJWW6q6A5jEgBsQoGmDwgzvEJAEgAA/1Pg Message-ID: <808FD6E27AD4884E94820BC333B2DB7727F24D4E32@NOK-EUMSG-01.mgdnok.nokia.com> References: <6CDF108C-F2AC-4443-8CD2-F7C15016CB1F@mnot.net> In-Reply-To: <6CDF108C-F2AC-4443-8CD2-F7C15016CB1F@mnot.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2009 06:55:09.0669 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A215950:01C9C960] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Problems managing multiple mailing lists X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 06:54:14 -0000 Hi Mark, Hmm, I wonder if the browser makes a difference here? I also administer several lists (with different usernames/passwords), and with Firefox 3, they seem to work fine. If I go to the "secdir" admin page, the login name is "secdir-Administrator" (and the browser adds the right password for secdir); if I go to the "saag" admin page, the login name is "saag-Administrator" (and the browser picks the right password). And if I attempt going to the "hybi" admin page, the login name is "hybi-Administrator" (but I don't know the password, of course). The "Login name" text input is indeed disabled, but it doesn't matter because it has the right value in all cases. I looked at the Mailman code/template that produces this page, and it seems the server always sends the same list name in the page title (" Moderator Authentication") and in the input tag ("-Administrator"), and it doesn't seem to depend on any cookies. So if they're different (like in your screen shot), either I'm misreading the code, or it's something your browser does? Best regards, Pasi > -----Original Message----- > From: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:tools-discuss- > bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Mark Nottingham > Sent: 30 April, 2009 09:04 > To: Tools > Subject: [Tools-discuss] Problems managing multiple mailing lists >=20 > [ I sent this a few weeks back. Recently checking the archives, I > found it never got through -- I suspect because of the attachment. > Trying again... ] >=20 > I've been silly enough to volunteer to moderate/own several IETF > mailing lists. >=20 > Each one has different login credentials for administration (e.g., > "oauth-administrator", "hybi-administrator"). Somehow, the list > interface remembers one of them, and doesn't allow me to change my > identity when logging in (see screenshot, and note that I'm trying to > log into the hybi list). >=20 > [ picture at: ] >=20 > As you can see, it has disabled the 'Login name' text input. >=20 > For other lists where I share duties with others, the credentials are > shared manually between multiple users. >=20 > Requests - >=20 > 1) At a minimum, the text input needs to be enabled, so another > identity can be entered. Currently, I have to clear my cookies (!) to > log in to administer another list, or use another browser. I'm running > out of browsers... >=20 > 2) Ideally, logins should be tied to people, not 'foo-Administrator', > and one identity should be able to manage several lists. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > -- > Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From jeroen@unfix.org Thu Apr 30 01:11:41 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BC93A68F5 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:11:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.777, BAYES_05=-1.11, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P59maZLVAfKD for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from abaddon.unfix.org (abaddon.unfix.org [IPv6:2001:41e0:ff00:0:216:3eff:fe00:4]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C333328C295 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 01:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:620:20:1001:216:d3ff:fe25:14da] (spaghetti.zurich.ibm.com [IPv6:2001:620:20:1001:216:d3ff:fe25:14da]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jeroen) by abaddon.unfix.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F423F401FE4; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:11:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <49F95D48.70505@spaghetti.zurich.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:11:52 +0200 From: Jeroen Massar Organization: Unfix User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090302 Lightning/0.9 Thunderbird/2.0.0.21 Mnenhy/0.7.6.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Nottingham References: <6CDF108C-F2AC-4443-8CD2-F7C15016CB1F@mnot.net> In-Reply-To: <6CDF108C-F2AC-4443-8CD2-F7C15016CB1F@mnot.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=333E7C23 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig83D0DADAB6F95AAC8211DEF6" Cc: Tools Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Problems managing multiple mailing lists X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:11:41 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig83D0DADAB6F95AAC8211DEF6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark Nottingham wrote: > [ I sent this a few weeks back. Recently checking the archives, I found= > it never got through -- I suspect because of the attachment. Trying > again... ] >=20 > I've been silly enough to volunteer to moderate/own several IETF mailin= g > lists. There are several people who made that 'mistake' ;) I suggest using Firefox (3.x++) and optionally "Secure Login" available from https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/4429 That fills in passwords even easier (hit ctrl-n) than the default firefox and makes password boxes yellow-outlined so that you can recognize them easily. Greets, Jeroen --------------enig83D0DADAB6F95AAC8211DEF6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) iD8DBQFJ+V1NKaooUjM+fCMRArPSAKCqcOjOOc4xUrs6tZ5LQk8qWjx+dACeL282 tlykoMsl7a8Sj/oIcihef+c= =u0ac -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig83D0DADAB6F95AAC8211DEF6-- From mnot@mnot.net Thu Apr 30 22:23:12 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7698D3A680D for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:23:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.833 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.833 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.234, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MpzGqpa1oPpw for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E98F3A63EC for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (unknown [118.208.158.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8C1BCD05B0; Fri, 1 May 2009 01:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <7EDF0DA2-66FD-43B1-8010-0D8E4F492AC0@mnot.net> From: Mark Nottingham To: Jeroen Massar In-Reply-To: <49F95D48.70505@spaghetti.zurich.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 15:24:31 +1000 References: <6CDF108C-F2AC-4443-8CD2-F7C15016CB1F@mnot.net> <49F95D48.70505@spaghetti.zurich.ibm.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Cc: Tools Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Problems managing multiple mailing lists X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 05:23:12 -0000 Ah, I see what's happened; the automatic password filling in Safari is *only* scoped to whole sites, so it fills it in -- even though it's a disabled field. Oops. Thanks, On 30/04/2009, at 6:11 PM, Jeroen Massar wrote: > Mark Nottingham wrote: >> [ I sent this a few weeks back. Recently checking the archives, I >> found >> it never got through -- I suspect because of the attachment. Trying >> again... ] >> >> I've been silly enough to volunteer to moderate/own several IETF >> mailing >> lists. > > There are several people who made that 'mistake' ;) > > I suggest using Firefox (3.x++) and optionally "Secure Login" > available > from https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/4429 > That fills in passwords even easier (hit ctrl-n) than the default > firefox and makes password boxes yellow-outlined so that you can > recognize them easily. > > Greets, > Jeroen > -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/