From dkg@fifthhorseman.net Tue Feb 1 10:57:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79DBF3A6EBF for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:57:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H3h6uhYGTqeG for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from che.mayfirst.org (che.mayfirst.org [209.234.253.108]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6FA3A6D4D for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:57:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.13.75] (lair.fifthhorseman.net [216.254.116.241]) by che.mayfirst.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D49D0F995 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2011 14:00:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D485843.8060309@fifthhorseman.net> Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:00:19 -0500 From: Daniel Kahn Gillmor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101213 Icedove/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig061BCD52B03D3831B888D9E9" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 01:41:42 -0800 Subject: [Tools-discuss] msglint source X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 18:57:20 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig061BCD52B03D3831B888D9E9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi IETF Tools team folks-- i'm interested in being able to run msglint offline, and in being able to add additional checks based on other IETF standards. Is the source for msglint available someplace? What license is it under?= Regards, --dkg PS please CC me; i'm not subscribed to tools-discuss at the moment. PPS the link to Bill Fenner's ABNF Validator (on https://tools.ietf.org/tools/msglint/ ) points to http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/abnf.cgi , but rtg.ietf.org doesn't respond to HTTP or HTTPS requests. --------------enig061BCD52B03D3831B888D9E9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJNSFhDXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQwRUU1QkU5NzkyODJEODBCOUY3NTQwRjFD Q0QyRUQ5NEQyMTczOUU5AAoJEMzS7ZTSFznpAtoP/19c07XrNuGK2Zenrmq7Xt3B e9V4U5aJAXCpGbVyp7ww83uPmHme/BMmdLt+YUhY1dPJvDi69A5IINHtkk7UWHVd bnbCV4is/k2PYdWXHm0KnAe4t5LdTZV1sWnZgkt8U+UAOsXj36OXAkvC1QpTQWQF cJGI+9XCeczCbhVT29ij833/JPphPUiN0aplI6529HrvoJ7zsQbT6CCCFe5vgdHi yXY0U/E2e4uP7riCjPYZF4uvTS4YyiCm9Y2BElap1GjES1fgsMV7nkcsgUeWpfOj OCzSj8l2AYvVPTFvRVXmJRH+BHhGDjzAPGT6h6e2bvWcLUG+f9TKEKp3srtREdKC n8eKS7oqHNCPDZToKPXKjXp7fFpZ8IeNUJsEgvUneof0lGSWHqC6tCOhjb8Ds4kH 7Bq+b7nnKtSz6UkbG+oblLZlQ4QfgH3p/taDamFVby0AEPR4k9aw2HxiXwS7myFU jcKiPJhIEHYYTPs/tXMxaddRGDwVPdVvkauQyrZDfg9AXgdq+c8YYdPVtTtuxjNs ujB5E3P2nQTrf1aAAO+zq4j8XUTTjcj+z54JI2qp34jiBOTN6k0YxOWbylSiq24/ Lqrsw1I7MwcYlQi3gs4MbAGFOTcq3d3SsmKsn59K4o6Vdz/GWWzPamnbO3SzBr57 DBCVXVy8ka0e4k7M9Tjr =ffSC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig061BCD52B03D3831B888D9E9-- From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Feb 2 08:13:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C733A6CDC for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2011 08:13:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.563 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.563 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AXJ0580Y9VjA for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2011 08:13:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FAD3A6C1A for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2011 08:13:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:56099 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PkfO2-00049t-Eh; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 17:16:56 +0100 Message-ID: <4D498375.3010406@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 17:16:53 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Kahn Gillmor References: <4D485843.8060309@fifthhorseman.net> In-Reply-To: <4D485843.8060309@fifthhorseman.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dkg@fifthhorseman.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] msglint source X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 16:13:50 -0000 Hi Daniel, On 2011-02-01 20:00 Daniel Kahn Gillmor said: > hi IETF Tools team folks-- > > i'm interested in being able to run msglint offline, and in being able > to add additional checks based on other IETF standards. > > Is the source for msglint available someplace? What license is it under? Source: rsync rsync.tools.ietf.org::tools/tools/msglint/ Licence: ??? I'd try to send a message to Chris Newman for info regarding the license. Best, Henrik > PS please CC me; i'm not subscribed to tools-discuss at the moment. > > PPS the link to Bill Fenner's ABNF Validator (on > https://tools.ietf.org/tools/msglint/ ) points to > http://rtg.ietf.org/~fenner/abnf.cgi , but rtg.ietf.org doesn't respond > to HTTP or HTTPS requests. Hmm. Yes. Link fixed. Thanks! Henrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Feb 2 09:01:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AA2A3A6C0B for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2011 09:01:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.57 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.57 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hrrwiz7xJvAZ for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2011 09:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48AB73A6C01 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2011 09:01:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:56278 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pkg5w-0007fo-KB; Wed, 02 Feb 2011 18:02:18 +0100 Message-ID: <4D498E18.9000005@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 18:02:16 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Blanchet References: <4D078769.9060603@viagenie.ca> In-Reply-To: <4D078769.9060603@viagenie.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tools diff real-time X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 17:01:41 -0000 Hi Marc, On 2010-12-14 16:04 Marc Blanchet said: > hello, > I guess my comment is probably known and might be planned for next > revs/integration efforts. And it is low priority compared to other > stuff. But I wanted to make sure it was known. So: > - when a new rev of a draft is submitted, immediatly the announcement goes. > - sometimes people have been waiting a lot for that new rev. > - then, you want to look at the diffs with the previous version. > - but the tools page that provide the diff service does not know the > existence of the new rev. it seems to be done async. > > it would be great if the tools providing diff is synched with the new > revs of docs. I've made some changes today which should make the tools servers fetch the new draft within one minute of it appearing in the master repository. This should provide what you want, but it's still untested, so if you see something to the contrary, please let me know. > again, low priority. it is just because I'm so used to our great tools > that I want more... ;-) > > keep the excellent work and thanks. Thank you. Best regards, Henrik From dwing@cisco.com Thu Feb 3 13:03:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CBE33A6A53 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 13:03:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.061, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nHKiqxiFiSaE for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 13:03:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45AE43A6A41 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 13:03:32 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-5.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqkBAAOoSk2rR7H+/2dsb2JhbACWT4FljQBzojSbCIVYBIR5 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Feb 2011 21:06:55 +0000 Received: from dwingWS ([10.32.240.197]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p13L6t7b023695; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 21:06:55 GMT From: "Dan Wing" To: "'Henrik Levkowetz'" , "'Marc Blanchet'" References: <4D078769.9060603@viagenie.ca> <4D498E18.9000005@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4D498E18.9000005@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 13:06:55 -0800 Message-ID: <02d801cbc3e6$49f2bb90$ddd832b0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcvC+1ugaJ0qqTviS1K2gdn4LESS8AA6uU+g Content-Language: en-us Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tools diff real-time X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 21:03:33 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: tools-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:tools-discuss- > bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henrik Levkowetz > Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:02 AM > To: Marc Blanchet > Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] tools diff real-time ... > I've made some changes today which should make the tools servers fetch > the new draft within one minute of it appearing in the master > repository. Great, thanks! -d > This should provide what you want, but it's still untested, so if you > see something to the contrary, please let me know. > > > again, low priority. it is just because I'm so used to our great > tools > > that I want more... ;-) > > > > keep the excellent work and thanks. > > Thank you. > > Best regards, > > Henrik > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From elwynd@dial.pipex.com Sun Feb 13 03:42:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB02C3A6B70 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 03:42:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AJs4HMU7GwFO for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 03:42:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from b.c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:0:30::51bb:1e35]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB9B23A6B6E for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 03:42:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from 250.254.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.254.250]) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PoaLP-0005h0-Ns for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:42:23 +0000 From: Elwyn Davies To: IETF TOOLS discussion Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:44:15 +0000 Message-Id: <1297597455.18417.916.camel@mightyatom.folly.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] Missing [tracker] link on http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-cbhe-08 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:42:07 -0000 Hi. I am currently shepherding a number of DTNRG documents through their progress to the RFC editor. There are six of them which are on this coming week's IESG agenda, and so have active datatracker entries. Of these two appear as expected in the html://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnfg... pages, i.e. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-sdnv-08 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-previous-hop-block-12 both have [tracker] links in the top line. However the other four are missing the [tracker] link, i.e. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-cbhe-08 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-metadata-block-09 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-iana-bp-registries-01 http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-security-17 although the datatracker pages can be accessed as expected http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-dtnrg-cbhe/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-metadata-block/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-dtnrg-iana-bp-registries/ http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-security/ Any idea what is going on? Presumably something odd about 'docphase' in the markup script. Regards, Elwyn From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Feb 15 07:34:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F863A6A97 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:34:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HCTWBMyoiVuC for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20B573A6BA0 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:34:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:51704 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PpMvR-0002gy-9Q; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:34:49 +0100 Message-ID: <4D5A9D18.5050103@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:34:48 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: <4D55F220.1040304@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <4D55F220.1040304@vpnc.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: paul.hoffman@vpnc.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Request for feature: use of "current" in a draft filename X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:34:36 -0000 Hi Paul, (Responding on the tools-discuss list): On 2011-02-12 03:36 Paul Hoffman said: > Greetings. If I want to give out a URL that points to the latest diff on > a draft, I need to know the version number. That is, my URL needs to > look like: > > http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-somewg-someprot-10.txt > > and I need to know that "10" is the latest version. What I would like is > to have the URL always be: > > http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-somewg-someprot-current.txt Fixed. (Except that the tools server doesn't seem to have this 'someprot-current' draft in it's repository ,;-D ) Best, Henrik > Thanks for considering this! > > --Paul Hoffman From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Tue Feb 15 07:48:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66373A6D2D for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:48:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.983 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.983 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.537, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R-6xHviSprnd for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:48:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (Hoffman.Proper.COM [207.182.41.81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E50C13A6CD7 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:48:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from MacBook-08.local (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p1FFmWUp000599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:48:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Message-ID: <4D5AA050.7030709@vpnc.org> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:48:32 -0800 From: Paul Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <4D55F220.1040304@vpnc.org> <4D5A9D18.5050103@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4D5A9D18.5050103@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Request for feature: use of "current" in a draft filename X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:48:08 -0000 On 2/15/11 7:34 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Paul, > > (Responding on the tools-discuss list): > > On 2011-02-12 03:36 Paul Hoffman said: >> Greetings. If I want to give out a URL that points to the latest diff on >> a draft, I need to know the version number. That is, my URL needs to >> look like: >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-somewg-someprot-10.txt >> >> and I need to know that "10" is the latest version. What I would like is >> to have the URL always be: >> >> http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-somewg-someprot-current.txt > > Fixed. (Except that the tools server doesn't seem to have this > 'someprot-current' draft in it's repository ,;-D ) Thanks! And you hopefully do not have a record for the somewg WG either! --Paul Hoffman From scott.brim@gmail.com Tue Feb 15 07:49:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60933A6D56 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:49:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U6yuiuwGOvlm for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B853A6D52 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:49:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by ywk9 with SMTP id 9so146163ywk.31 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:49:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3yWUD8HwrhECjMTK+TZ7FOb2p7FQKOGastf4dQQXKqE=; b=IbYlt81O/BlFg75rrp/vzcRuvLeEIrHO7UA2fEFN4VzoeqwH+RrwjWjAtez6VCH/DI avWnbxx4Xw5xotDC63ljwZI67QssWFDdjc+efPCCFYSJleEEx/LdKOeMY9TaWVEzG+gU zZly4+wN2K5//HtyDPq2m2JqtqMrk9KhPnqdo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=gtZ6w73cTNU1mFw7nmOerVy9vR6Nc5W4P/fYzBpNeOHukO2Si5wrqU1GOjytJgitQC wQ1SBwuNfdzqamHbrjaclDfGJC6Vn/olGXQHnh0G7yO9MEtAS//qvVP3KOhgK5fGnvlq DychaaviWjKZaOl7AonXehFQ9hWUAviaH5Pgo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.84.9 with SMTP id h9mr6137318agb.105.1297784967766; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.91.180.19 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 07:49:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D5A9D18.5050103@levkowetz.com> References: <4D55F220.1040304@vpnc.org> <4D5A9D18.5050103@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:49:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: Scott W Brim To: Henrik Levkowetz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016361e88a8ffa3c9049c541ba9 Cc: Paul Hoffman , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Request for feature: use of "current" in a draft filename X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 15:49:03 -0000 --0016361e88a8ffa3c9049c541ba9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I believe you can just say < http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-somewg-someprot> In fact I just tried and got a diff between the two latest versions. swb On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:34, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Paul, > > (Responding on the tools-discuss list): > > On 2011-02-12 03:36 Paul Hoffman said: > > Greetings. If I want to give out a URL that points to the latest diff on > > a draft, I need to know the version number. That is, my URL needs to > > look like: > > > > http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-somewg-someprot-10.txt > > > > and I need to know that "10" is the latest version. What I would like is > > to have the URL always be: > > > > > http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-somewg-someprot-current.txt > > Fixed. (Except that the tools server doesn't seem to have this > 'someprot-current' draft in it's repository ,;-D ) > > > Best, > > Henrik > > > Thanks for considering this! > > > > --Paul Hoffman > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > --0016361e88a8ffa3c9049c541ba9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I believe you can just say <http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-= ietf-somewg-someprot>

In fact I just tried <http://tools.ietf.org/rf= cdiff?url2=3Ddraft-mrw-nat66> and got a diff between the two latest = versions.

swb

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:34, He= nrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> wrote:
Hi Paul,

(Responding on the tools-discuss list):

On 2011-02-12 03:36 Paul Hoffman said:
> Greetings. If I want to give out a URL that points to the latest diff = on
> a draft, I need to know the version number. That is, my URL needs to > look like:
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-i= etf-somewg-someprot-10.txt
>
> and I need to know that "10" is the latest version. What I w= ould like is
> to have the URL always be:
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddr= aft-ietf-somewg-someprot-current.txt

Fixed. =A0(Except that the tools server doesn't seem to have this
'someprot-current' draft in it's repository ,;-D )


Best,

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Henrik

> Thanks for considering this!
>
> --Paul Hoffman
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--0016361e88a8ffa3c9049c541ba9-- From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Tue Feb 15 08:10:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36843A6CB5 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:10:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.974 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.974 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.528, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tTldKtDuLugq for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:10:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (Hoffman.Proper.COM [207.182.41.81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FFE3A6B60 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:10:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from MacBook-08.local (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p1FGBEDu001605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:11:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Message-ID: <4D5AA5A2.2010308@vpnc.org> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:11:14 -0800 From: Paul Hoffman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott W Brim References: <4D55F220.1040304@vpnc.org> <4D5A9D18.5050103@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Request for feature: use of "current" in a draft filename X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:10:52 -0000 On 2/15/11 7:49 AM, Scott W Brim wrote: > I believe you can just say > Correct. My suggestion was for -current, but y'all implemented it without the need for that. --Paul Hoffman From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Feb 15 08:28:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33663A6A8B for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:28:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.399, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JqUMWhY9AVlT for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:28:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4AE3A6C30 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:51804 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PpNlR-0007Rp-Vj; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:28:35 +0100 Message-ID: <4D5AA9B1.6010107@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:28:33 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elwyn Davies References: <1297597455.18417.916.camel@mightyatom.folly.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <1297597455.18417.916.camel@mightyatom.folly.org.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: elwynd@dial.pipex.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF TOOLS discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Missing [tracker] link on http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-cbhe-08 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:28:25 -0000 Hi Elwyn, I'm not sure why some of these don't have the appropriate [Tracker] link -- I'll investigate. It's not just a matter of refreshing the html conversion; I tried that and it made a difference for one of the documents, but not the rest. Best, Henrik On 2011-02-13 12:44 Elwyn Davies said: > Hi. > > I am currently shepherding a number of DTNRG documents through their > progress to the RFC editor. > > There are six of them which are on this coming week's IESG agenda, and > so have active datatracker entries. > > Of these two appear as expected in the > html://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnfg... pages, i.e. > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-sdnv-08 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-previous-hop-block-12 > both have [tracker] links in the top line. > > However the other four are missing the [tracker] link, i.e. > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-cbhe-08 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-metadata-block-09 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-iana-bp-registries-01 > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-security-17 > > although the datatracker pages can be accessed as expected > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-dtnrg-cbhe/ > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-metadata-block/ > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-dtnrg-iana-bp-registries/ > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-security/ > > Any idea what is going on? Presumably something odd about 'docphase' in > the markup script. > > Regards, > Elwyn > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Feb 15 08:29:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708153A6A8B for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:29:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.569 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.031, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XeoIXWaqifWE for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1263A6CA1 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:51806 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PpNmB-0000oR-Pk; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:29:20 +0100 Message-ID: <4D5AA9DF.2080805@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:29:19 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: <4D55F220.1040304@vpnc.org> <4D5A9D18.5050103@levkowetz.com> <4D5AA050.7030709@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <4D5AA050.7030709@vpnc.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: paul.hoffman@vpnc.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Request for feature: use of "current" in a draft filename X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:29:05 -0000 On 2011-02-15 16:48 Paul Hoffman said: > On 2/15/11 7:34 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: ... >> Fixed. (Except that the tools server doesn't seem to have this >> 'someprot-current' draft in it's repository ,;-D ) > > Thanks! And you hopefully do not have a record for the somewg WG either! Correct :-) Best, Henrik From lars.eggert@nokia.com Wed Feb 16 00:45:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C84D3A6B5F; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:45:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.49 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.49 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.191, BAYES_00=-2.599, MANGLED_TOOL=2.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A0d7Wr4tR090; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:45:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-da02.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.26]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D777D3A6DBE; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:45:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-da02.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p1G8k92W018882 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:46:11 +0200 From: Lars Eggert X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at fit.nokia.com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-28--436301240; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:46:02 +0200 To: Tools Team Discussion Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:46:07 +0200 (EET) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [Tools-discuss] ID upload tool bug X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 08:45:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail-28--436301240 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I'm trying to upload the -01 version of draft-eggert-tcpm-historicize, = and I get this error: "Previous version does not exist for this = document". This is after I cancelled a previous submission of -01 where I forgot to = bump the version from -00 to -01 inside the .txt file. Bug? 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core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745DD3A6B6B for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 03:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e] (port=53646 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PpfUt-0005b3-Rz; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:24:43 +0100 Message-ID: <4D5BB3EA.4010908@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:24:26 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: lars.eggert@nokia.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ID upload tool bug X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 11:24:51 -0000 Hi Lars, On 2011-02-16 09:46 Lars Eggert said: > Hi, > > I'm trying to upload the -01 version of draft-eggert-tcpm-historicize, and I get this error: "Previous version does not exist for this document". > > This is after I cancelled a previous submission of -01 where I forgot to bump the version from -00 to -01 inside the .txt file. > > Bug? Maybe. I can't see anything weird in the database entry for this draft, and the old perl code seems fairly simple and transparent for this case, so it's not obvious how a cancelled submission could cause this. Could you have introduced some extraneous character before or after the draft name ('draft-eggert-tcpm-historicize-01') on the first page? Best, Henrik From lars.eggert@nokia.com Wed Feb 16 04:04:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9D13A6E3B for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 04:04:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.007, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4SykpHiDq2n9 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 04:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-da02.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.26]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D912E3A6CA5 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 04:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-da02.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p1GC4rG6012171 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:04:55 +0200 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.5 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-33--424377391; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <4D5BB3EA.4010908@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:04:45 +0200 Message-Id: <59A06757-1D43-4B18-95BC-1728271B8E70@nokia.com> References: <4D5BB3EA.4010908@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:04:51 +0200 (EET) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ID upload tool bug X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 12:04:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail-33--424377391 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2011-2-16, at 13:24, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Could you have introduced some extraneous character before or after > the draft name ('draft-eggert-tcpm-historicize-01') on the first page? No, I was even stupider. I had changed s/eggert/ietf/ and there = obviously is no draft-ietf-...-00. 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with ESMTP id 8005F3A6CC7 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:15:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:53876 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PphEj-0002OJ-IQ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:16:06 +0100 Message-ID: <4D5BCE14.90008@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:16:04 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert References: <4D5BB3EA.4010908@levkowetz.com> <59A06757-1D43-4B18-95BC-1728271B8E70@nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <59A06757-1D43-4B18-95BC-1728271B8E70@nokia.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: lars.eggert@nokia.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ID upload tool bug X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:15:50 -0000 Hi Lars, On 2011-02-16 13:04 Lars Eggert said: > On 2011-2-16, at 13:24, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Could you have introduced some extraneous character before or after >> the draft name ('draft-eggert-tcpm-historicize-01') on the first page? > > No, I was even stupider. I had changed s/eggert/ietf/ and there obviously is no draft-ietf-...-00. Ah. Yes, that would do it, too. Good it got cleared up. Best, Henrik From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Feb 16 05:25:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520143A6E09 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:25:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.900, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v7ctvSlkr8t4 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:25:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 10B573A6B74 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:25:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Feb 2011 13:25:53 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.134]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp042) with SMTP; 16 Feb 2011 14:25:53 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19SAbVZdLhSBeTC6iyIIXIfx2LpF3YoTy/IQYvECv CvIgolBc+GrY8u Message-ID: <4D5BD059.2090500@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:25:45 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <4D5BB3EA.4010908@levkowetz.com> <59A06757-1D43-4B18-95BC-1728271B8E70@nokia.com> <4D5BCE14.90008@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4D5BCE14.90008@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ID upload tool bug X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:25:28 -0000 On 16.02.2011 14:16, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Lars, > > On 2011-02-16 13:04 Lars Eggert said: >> On 2011-2-16, at 13:24, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >>> Could you have introduced some extraneous character before or after >>> the draft name ('draft-eggert-tcpm-historicize-01') on the first page? >> >> No, I was even stupider. I had changed s/eggert/ietf/ and there obviously is no draft-ietf-...-00. > > Ah. Yes, that would do it, too. Good it got cleared up. So, maybe the error message could be enhanced to say exactly what draft file it attempted to find. In this case: "Previous version 'draft-ietf-tcpm-historicize-00' does not exist for this document." ? Best regards, Julian From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Feb 16 05:45:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ABCC3A6E07 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:45:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.514 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.514 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.086, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V+s+0Tm3ooZF for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:45:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5793A6D19 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:45:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:53910 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Pphgt-00075k-Es; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:45:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4D5BD4E7.3020203@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:45:11 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4D5BB3EA.4010908@levkowetz.com> <59A06757-1D43-4B18-95BC-1728271B8E70@nokia.com> <4D5BCE14.90008@levkowetz.com> <4D5BD059.2090500@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4D5BD059.2090500@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: julian.reschke@gmx.de, lars.eggert@nokia.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ID upload tool bug X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:45:01 -0000 Hi Julian, I've forwarded this to the developer who's doing the submission tool rewrite. Best, Henrik On 2011-02-16 14:25 Julian Reschke said: > On 16.02.2011 14:16, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Hi Lars, >> >> On 2011-02-16 13:04 Lars Eggert said: >>> On 2011-2-16, at 13:24, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >>>> Could you have introduced some extraneous character before or after >>>> the draft name ('draft-eggert-tcpm-historicize-01') on the first page? >>> >>> No, I was even stupider. I had changed s/eggert/ietf/ and there obviously is no draft-ietf-...-00. >> >> Ah. Yes, that would do it, too. Good it got cleared up. > > So, maybe the error message could be enhanced to say exactly what draft > file it attempted to find. In this case: > > "Previous version 'draft-ietf-tcpm-historicize-00' does not exist for > this document." > > ? > > Best regards, Julian > From tli@cisco.com Fri Feb 18 00:10:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11F23A6EC2 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:10:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fVfgOdje5OXB for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:10:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com (sj-iport-5.cisco.com [171.68.10.87]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336E43A6CF0 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:10:47 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-5.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoUGAGO4XU2rR7H+/2dsb2JhbACYFo4Kc6BHmzmFXgSFC4cG X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,186,1297036800"; d="scan'208";a="331623581" Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Feb 2011 08:11:20 +0000 Received: from sjc-vpn2-588.cisco.com (sjc-vpn2-588.cisco.com [10.21.114.76]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p1I8BKUg003667 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:11:20 GMT From: Tony Li Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 00:11:19 -0800 Message-Id: <02E97FAF-B38E-414A-9693-A4B09940E339@cisco.com> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:00:40 -0800 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Rfcdiff-1.40 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 08:10:49 -0000 Hi, I've found that Mac OS 10.6.6's /usr/bin/awk doesn't work with a = "rfcdiff --html" directive. However, installing gawk fixes the issue. The challenge here is that the output basically gives no indication of = any changes or other difficulties. It just doesn't work. ;-( It would be good if this was at least noted someplace obvious. Thanks, Tony From erevilla@yaco.es Wed Feb 23 00:08:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577813A680E for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:08:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.494 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.494 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_BOGUSMX=1.482, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2g-D8SJGG0nq for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:08:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vx0-f172.google.com (mail-vx0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAE43A69F2 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:08:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by vxa40 with SMTP id 40so2080544vxa.31 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:09:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.201.138 with SMTP id fa10mr796376vcb.161.1298448547248; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:09:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.184.4 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:08:46 -0800 (PST) From: Ernesto Revilla Derksen Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:08:46 +0100 Message-ID: To: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba53b4426afa20049cee9c8d Subject: [Tools-discuss] new xml2rfc tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:08:25 -0000 --90e6ba53b4426afa20049cee9c8d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello. We wanted to present a bid for the RFP of a new xml2rfc tool. As I see, the there could be two approaches: * using some sort of what currently xml2rfc does, i.e. xml -> nroff -> plain text, html * using xhtml -> nroff, plain text, html It seems that: http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2629xslt/rfc2629xslt.html offers guidance for the second approach. What is currently the favorite method? Are outputs equivalent +/-? Regards. Erny Yaco Sistemas Spain. --90e6ba53b4426afa20049cee9c8d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello.

We wanted to present a bid for the RFP of a new x= ml2rfc tool.

As I see, the there could be two approaches:
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=A0* using xhtml -> nroff, plain t= ext, html
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What is currently the=A0favorite=A0method? Are outputs = equivalent +/-?

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Erny
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Yaco Sistemas
Spain.
--90e6ba53b4426afa20049cee9c8d-- From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Feb 23 00:27:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF7B3A67E3 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:27:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.235 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.235 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.636, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jt7li0nGmsm2 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:27:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E1703A67F2 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:27:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Feb 2011 08:28:32 -0000 Received: from p508FB4B4.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.33]) [80.143.180.180] by mail.gmx.net (mp072) with SMTP; 23 Feb 2011 09:28:32 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+CvMQxz9KCqLFdKHxi201G+uZ0OnUA80C60ryq7a WafblCelqBikoV Message-ID: <4D64C52B.2020606@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:28:27 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ernesto Revilla Derksen References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] new xml2rfc tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 08:27:53 -0000 On 23.02.2011 09:08, Ernesto Revilla Derksen wrote: > Hello. > > We wanted to present a bid for the RFP of a new xml2rfc tool. > > As I see, the there could be two approaches: > * using some sort of what currently xml2rfc does, i.e. xml -> nroff -> > plain text, html > * using xhtml -> nroff, plain text, html > It seems that: > http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2629xslt/rfc2629xslt.html > offers guidance for the second approach. > > What is currently the favorite method? Are outputs equivalent +/-? > ... The output of the XSLT is supposed to be equivalent. There are a few things it doesn't do, such as the PI-based inclusion (which would require a preprocessing step), and the alternate format elements on references (which I believe are useless and are not used for RFC production). So my advice is to seriously consider the second option. Best regards, Julian From erevilla@yaco.es Wed Feb 23 01:22:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23533A67A1 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:22:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.994 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.994 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_BOGUSMX=1.482, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i5bovS1ZDHCh for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:22:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com (mail-vw0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C703A6407 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:22:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by vws6 with SMTP id 6so1947353vws.31 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:23:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.201.138 with SMTP id fa10mr810543vcb.161.1298452987177; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:23:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.184.4 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:22:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D64C52B.2020606@gmx.de> References: <4D64C52B.2020606@gmx.de> From: Ernesto Revilla Derksen Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:22:47 +0100 Message-ID: To: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba53b4420eeba8049cefa512 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] new xml2rfc tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:22:23 -0000 --90e6ba53b4420eeba8049cefa512 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi again. 2011/2/23 Julian Reschke > On 23.02.2011 09:08, Ernesto Revilla Derksen wrote: > >> Hello. >> >> We wanted to present a bid for the RFP of a new xml2rfc tool. >> >> As I see, the there could be two approaches: >> * using some sort of what currently xml2rfc does, i.e. xml -> nroff -> >> plain text, html >> * using xhtml -> nroff, plain text, html >> It seems that: >> http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2629xslt/rfc2629xslt.html >> offers guidance for the second approach. >> >> What is currently the favorite method? Are outputs equivalent +/-? >> ... >> > > The output of the XSLT is supposed to be equivalent. There are a few things > it doesn't do, such as the PI-based inclusion (which would require a > preprocessing step), and the alternate format elements on references (which > I believe are useless and are not used for RFC production). > > So my advice is to seriously consider the second option. > I've had a quick superficial look at xml2rfc.tcl. It's something like 17.900 lines. We'll make an estimate about how much time would it take to translate this to something more modern and maintainable. I don't know how much lines is the xslt. We'll have a look. Best regards. Erny > > Best regards, Julian > --90e6ba53b4420eeba8049cefa512 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi again.

2011/2/23 Julian Re= schke <julian= .reschke@gmx.de>
On 23.02.2011 09:08, Ernesto Revilla Derk= sen wrote:
Hello.

We wanted to present a bid for the RFP of a new xml2rfc tool.

As I see, the there could be two approaches:
=A0* using some sort of what currently xml2rfc does, i.e. xml -> nroff = ->
plain text, html
=A0* using xhtml -> nroff, plain text, html
It seems that:
http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2629xslt/rfc2629xslt.h= tml
offers guidance for the second approach.

What is currently the favorite method? Are outputs equivalent +/-?
...

The output of the XSLT is supposed to be equivalent. There are a few things= it doesn't do, such as the PI-based inclusion (which would require a p= reprocessing step), and the alternate format elements on references (which = I believe are useless and are not used for RFC production).

So my advice is to seriously consider the second option.

I've had a quick superficial look at xml2rfc.tcl. It&= #39;s something like 17.900 lines. We'll make an estimate about how muc= h time would it take to translate this to something more modern and maintai= nable.

I don't know how much lines is the xslt. We'll = have a look.

Best regards.
Erny


=A0

Best regards, Julian

--90e6ba53b4420eeba8049cefa512-- From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Feb 23 01:42:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034C33A67A5 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:42:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.164 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.164 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.565, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00LuhuljRRJF for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:42:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B710D3A67A1 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:42:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Feb 2011 09:43:13 -0000 Received: from p508FB4B4.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.33]) [80.143.180.180] by mail.gmx.net (mp022) with SMTP; 23 Feb 2011 10:43:13 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19mgfUzBO9mwa84gV2l0AeQ3yaTClLJbJblGo4Ldf hwbKBhiganhUET Message-ID: <4D64D6A5.1090404@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:43:01 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ernesto Revilla Derksen References: <4D64C52B.2020606@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] new xml2rfc tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:42:30 -0000 On 23.02.2011 10:22, Ernesto Revilla Derksen wrote: > ... > I've had a quick superficial look at xml2rfc.tcl. It's something like > 17.900 lines. We'll make an estimate about how much time would it take > to translate this to something more modern and maintainable. > ... That's misleading as the TCL code contains an XML parser you don't want to re-do :-) > I don't know how much lines is the xslt. We'll have a look. The XSLT code is ~7000 lines, but XSLT is kind of chatty. That being said, I don't think the size of the XSLT code matters; what you should consider is using it as-is, and writing a backend processors that formats the XHTML output as plain text or NROFF. Best regards, Julian From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Feb 23 03:42:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F5D3A684B for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 03:42:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dOgxHIS4NiQb for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 03:42:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0759A3A6845 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 03:42:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:61592 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PsD7C-0008Iv-T1; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:42:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4D64F2B2.4040905@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:42:42 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Li References: <02E97FAF-B38E-414A-9693-A4B09940E339@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <02E97FAF-B38E-414A-9693-A4B09940E339@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tli@cisco.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Rfcdiff-1.40 feedback X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:42:16 -0000 Hi Tony, On 2011-02-18 09:11 Tony Li said: > > Hi, > > I've found that Mac OS 10.6.6's /usr/bin/awk doesn't work with a > "rfcdiff --html" directive. However, installing gawk fixes the > issue. Hmm. Unfortunate. > The challenge here is that the output basically gives no indication > of any changes or other difficulties. It just doesn't work. ;-( > > It would be good if this was at least noted someplace obvious. I've released v1.41, which bails out with an error message for --html mode under OS X if awk reports 'awk version 20070501', which is what it reports for me under 10.6.6. It also suggests that the issue can be fixed by installing gawk. If I can find some more time, I might try to work out what it is that awk doesn't like and fix it, but this release at least doesn't fail silently. Best, Henrik From tony@att.com Wed Feb 23 06:44:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7DD3A6A12 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:44:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.229 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.229 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.370, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BHqzj4LXzihy for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:44:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail161.messagelabs.com (mail161.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.115]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F973A6A0D for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:43:59 -0800 (PST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-161.messagelabs.com!1298472285!44714074!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 8826 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2011 14:44:46 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-7.tower-161.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 23 Feb 2011 14:44:46 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1NEj820024277 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:45:09 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1NEj5rZ024220 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:45:05 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1NEifqG002252 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:44:41 -0500 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1NEiaht002106 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:44:36 -0500 Received: from [135.70.232.226] (vpn-135-70-232-226.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.232.226]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20110223144435gw100e4lo2e> (Authid: tony); Wed, 23 Feb 2011 14:44:36 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.232.226] Message-ID: <4D651D53.7070402@att.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:44:35 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ernesto Revilla Derksen References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] new xml2rfc tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 14:44:01 -0000 On 2/23/2011 3:08 AM, Ernesto Revilla Derksen wrote: > Hello. > > We wanted to present a bid for the RFP of a new xml2rfc tool. > > As I see, the there could be two approaches: > * using some sort of what currently xml2rfc does, i.e. xml -> nroff > -> plain text, html Note, this is a mistaken impression: xml2rfc.tcl does not *use* nroff at all. Internally, xml2rfc.tcl has multiple passes. In the first pass, it decides how the individual lines in the text output need to be generated. For example, it figures out exactly how long each text line should be in the final output and what the indentation needs to be. That is, the canonical format internally is essentially fixed length lines of text. In a subsequent pass it converts that internal version of the text to the final format, such as figuring out the pagination and emitting nroff or html directives. Tony Hansen > * using xhtml -> nroff, plain text, html > It seems that: > http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2629xslt/rfc2629xslt.html > offers guidance for the second approach. > > What is currently the favorite method? Are outputs equivalent +/-? From erevilla@yaco.es Wed Feb 23 09:49:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068CE3A6937 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:49:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.244 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.244 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.250, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_BOGUSMX=1.482, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vKC3jUhIlVvB for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com (mail-ey0-f172.google.com [209.85.215.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCDB3A691D for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by eye13 with SMTP id 13so1225362eye.31 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:50:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.15.135 with SMTP id k7mr333916eba.26.1298483436225; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:50:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.10.5 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:50:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D651D53.7070402@att.com> References: <4D651D53.7070402@att.com> From: Ernesto Revilla Derksen Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:50:06 +0100 Message-ID: To: Tony Hansen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bde36f683a4049cf6bb6e Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] new xml2rfc tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:49:52 -0000 --0015174bde36f683a4049cf6bb6e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello. 2011/2/23 Tony Hansen > On 2/23/2011 3:08 AM, Ernesto Revilla Derksen wrote: > >> Hello. >> >> We wanted to present a bid for the RFP of a new xml2rfc tool. >> >> As I see, the there could be two approaches: >> * using some sort of what currently xml2rfc does, i.e. xml -> nroff -> >> plain text, html >> > > Note, this is a mistaken impression: xml2rfc.tcl does not *use* nroff at > all. > Well, I tihink that my look was too superficial. > Internally, xml2rfc.tcl has multiple passes. In the first pass, it decides > how the individual lines in the text output need to be generated. For > example, it figures out exactly how long each text line should be in the > final output and what the indentation needs to be. That is, the canonical > format internally is essentially fixed length lines of text. > > In a subsequent pass it converts that internal version of the text to the > final format, such as figuring out the pagination and emitting nroff or html > directives. > Thank you for your explanation. This changes my view about future approaches. Would it be feasible to do: XML -> nroff -> plain text / xhtml instead? (we would use groff). Of course, an alternative would be what Julian Reschke proposed: xml -> html / plain text / nroff. Regards. Erny > > Tony Hansen > > > * using xhtml -> nroff, plain text, html >> It seems that: >> http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2629xslt/rfc2629xslt.html >> offers guidance for the second approach. >> >> What is currently the favorite method? Are outputs equivalent +/-? >> > --0015174bde36f683a4049cf6bb6e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello.

2011/2/23 Tony Hanse= n <t= ony@att.com>
On 2/23/2011 3:08 AM, Ernesto Revilla Derksen wrote:
Hello.

We wanted to present a bid for the RFP of a new xml2rfc tool.

As I see, the there could be two approaches:
=A0* using some sort of what currently xml2rfc does, i.e. xml -> nroff -= > plain text, html

Note, this is a mistaken impression: xml2rfc.tcl does not *use* nroff at al= l.
Well, I tihink that my look was too superficial.


Internally, xml2rfc.tcl has multiple passes. In the first pass, it decides = how the individual lines in the text output need to be generated. For examp= le, it figures out exactly how long each text line should be in the final o= utput and what the indentation needs to be. That is, the canonical format i= nternally is essentially fixed length lines of text.

In a subsequent pass it converts that internal version of the text to the f= inal format, such as figuring out the pagination and emitting nroff or html= directives.

Thank you for your explana= tion. This changes my view about future approaches.

Would it be feasible to do: XML -> nroff -> plain= text / xhtml instead? (we would use groff).

Of co= urse, an alternative would be what Julian Reschke proposed:
xml -> html / plain text / nroff.

Regards.=
Erny

=A0

=A0 =A0Tony Hansen


=A0* using xhtml -> nroff, plain text, html
It seems that:
http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2629xslt/rfc2629xslt.h= tml
offers guidance for the second approach.

What is currently the favorite method? Are outputs equivalent +/-?

--0015174bde36f683a4049cf6bb6e-- From scott.brim@gmail.com Wed Feb 23 09:54:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2356D3A6810 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:54:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lvTf9l-TKp4C for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:54:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00A03A6915 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:54:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by yxk30 with SMTP id 30so1261791yxk.31 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:55:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=voDFYIOMV1gK5Dzw2Rpc3nNksIFdrrJmgTyalhpdBsQ=; b=dwXQyx+2c7pFxE8A45otbLJdM/kNKpwuBB5N1RU712hEkTySgLdEHeZSppxsiIJxA7 FF5UgtSK2s+rBkMV2+z31ZJzGHK2qECzYTcL8BK73j5qtgrzm+BtorvVK5PN4fHjpNE+ 14d0lmEtnZ98UiEIfEEc2Pn0VJb0vSgw5SYHo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=AHttCJssdzmwWGX2UlBVifqXhEP7D+8pV5A07wsaemMrnvy6S6Bs6+N5WeLr4BD2Z0 3XYgREI0D1nAWYi7r8aIrXWlQvFRqXQCddgkLOXj59Wj9kfF+sau2uG4ee4moGzY5LTj sUQca9QeMyOXhZUlY4uxSGe0hQb4LNslHPUng= Received: by 10.91.199.25 with SMTP id b25mr449995agq.24.1298483721134; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:55:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.180.19 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 09:55:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D651D53.7070402@att.com> From: Scott W Brim Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:55:01 -0500 Message-ID: To: Ernesto Revilla Derksen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016369fa152f1e218049cf6cc2d Cc: Tony Hansen , Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] new xml2rfc tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 17:54:35 -0000 --0016369fa152f1e218049cf6cc2d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:50, Ernesto Revilla Derksen wrote: > Would it be feasible to do: XML -> nroff -> plain text / xhtml instead? (we > would use groff). > I don't see the point of running it through *roff. --0016369fa152f1e218049cf6cc2d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:50, Ernesto Revilla Derksen &l= t;erevilla@yaco.es> wrote= :
Would it be feasible to do: XML -> nroff= -> plain text / xhtml instead? (we would use groff).

I don't see the point of running it through *roff.
--0016369fa152f1e218049cf6cc2d-- From tony@att.com Wed Feb 23 10:27:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7079F3A6970 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:27:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.321 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.321 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.277, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cg0Ol1owXf95 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:27:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail167.messagelabs.com (mail167.messagelabs.com [216.82.253.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4AD3A696E for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:26:51 -0800 (PST) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-167.messagelabs.com!1298485656!27980067!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 10204 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2011 18:27:36 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-10.tower-167.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 23 Feb 2011 18:27:36 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1NIRxi7005988 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:27:59 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1NIRuL5005940 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:27:56 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1NIRW4w000750 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:27:32 -0500 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p1NIRVBv000617 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:27:31 -0500 Received: from [135.70.232.226] (vpn-135-70-232-226.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.232.226]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20110223182730gw100e4lore> (Authid: tony); Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:27:30 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.232.226] Message-ID: <4D655192.8080009@att.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 13:27:30 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <4D651D53.7070402@att.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020106090600090709040706" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] new xml2rfc tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:27:05 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020106090600090709040706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2/23/2011 12:50 PM, Ernesto Revilla Derksen wrote: > Hello. > > 2011/2/23 Tony Hansen > > > On 2/23/2011 3:08 AM, Ernesto Revilla Derksen wrote: > > Hello. > > We wanted to present a bid for the RFP of a new xml2rfc tool. > > As I see, the there could be two approaches: > * using some sort of what currently xml2rfc does, i.e. xml -> > nroff -> plain text, html > > > Note, this is a mistaken impression: xml2rfc.tcl does not *use* > nroff at all. > > Well, I tihink that my look was too superficial. > > > Internally, xml2rfc.tcl has multiple passes. In the first pass, it > decides how the individual lines in the text output need to be > generated. For example, it figures out exactly how long each text > line should be in the final output and what the indentation needs > to be. That is, the canonical format internally is essentially > fixed length lines of text. > > In a subsequent pass it converts that internal version of the text > to the final format, such as figuring out the pagination and > emitting nroff or html directives. > > > Thank you for your explanation. This changes my view about future > approaches. > > Would it be feasible to do: XML -> nroff -> plain text / xhtml > instead? (we would use groff). I personally think that generating nroff as an intermediate form and using groff would be the wrong thing to do, but you'll have to make that determination yourself. > Of course, an alternative would be what Julian Reschke proposed: > xml -> html / plain text / nroff. That's what the current xml2rfc.tcl does. I think you meant xml -> xhtml -> nroff/text/xml/html. Tony Hansen --------------020106090600090709040706 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 2/23/2011 12:50 PM, Ernesto Revilla Derksen wrote:
Hello.

2011/2/23 Tony Hansen <tony@att.com>
On 2/23/2011 3:08 AM, Ernesto Revilla Derksen wrote:
Hello.

We wanted to present a bid for the RFP of a new xml2rfc tool.

As I see, the there could be two approaches:
 * using some sort of what currently xml2rfc does, i.e. xml -> nroff -> plain text, html

Note, this is a mistaken impression: xml2rfc.tcl does not *use* nroff at all.
Well, I tihink that my look was too superficial.


Internally, xml2rfc.tcl has multiple passes. In the first pass, it decides how the individual lines in the text output need to be generated. For example, it figures out exactly how long each text line should be in the final output and what the indentation needs to be. That is, the canonical format internally is essentially fixed length lines of text.

In a subsequent pass it converts that internal version of the text to the final format, such as figuring out the pagination and emitting nroff or html directives.

Thank you for your explanation. This changes my view about future approaches.

Would it be feasible to do: XML -> nroff -> plain text / xhtml instead? (we would use groff).

I personally think that generating nroff as an intermediate form and using groff would be the wrong thing to do, but you'll have to make that determination yourself.

Of course, an alternative would be what Julian Reschke proposed:
xml -> html / plain text / nroff.

That's what the current xml2rfc.tcl does. I think you meant xml -> xhtml -> nroff/text/xml/html.

    Tony Hansen
--------------020106090600090709040706-- From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Feb 23 10:41:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FB93A6929 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:41:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.379, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xiLr8WIQfvb9 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:41:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1020B3A6850 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:41:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Feb 2011 18:41:47 -0000 Received: from p508FB4B4.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.33]) [80.143.180.180] by mail.gmx.net (mp003) with SMTP; 23 Feb 2011 19:41:47 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/E3GhMBsbEwGPA4WcGWXpmciXY1ioDmikEmyWu6j ymXgIFcR09Joz7 Message-ID: <4D6554E0.5020006@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:41:36 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Hansen References: <4D651D53.7070402@att.com> <4D655192.8080009@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4D655192.8080009@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] new xml2rfc tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:41:03 -0000 On 23.02.2011 19:27, Tony Hansen wrote: > ... >> Of course, an alternative would be what Julian Reschke proposed: >> xml -> html / plain text / nroff. > > That's what the current xml2rfc.tcl does. I think you meant xml -> xhtml > -> nroff/text/xml/html. > ... Well, there's rfc2629.xslt (producing HTML 4.01) and rfc2629toXhtml.xslt (producing XHTML) (*). So HTML and XHTML can be generated directly. From the XHTML, plain text and nroff could be produced. Most of the information should be available in the XHTML output; if something is missing, it could be added easily (**). Just to mention another option, there's also rfc2629toFo.xslt which produces an XSL-FO (Formatting Object) file, which probably could be used by a backend as well. Best regards, Julian (*) And yes, the second one is autogenerated from the first one. (**) For instance, headers and footers currently are inlined into the generated CSS and may be hard to extract without a fullblown CSS parser. From Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com Wed Feb 23 10:54:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EACD03A6929 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:54:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KwbHiITfoieZ for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:54:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B7463A6850 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:54:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9035 invoked by uid 0); 23 Feb 2011 18:55:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box514.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.114) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2011 18:55:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kingsmountain.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Identified-User; b=D+bbtWuT927P3TKHE/n/blz7aOoEv+sVIv44awTiXfKIV/N+NpwuZIthRMn7WcDEa3lCezxSlRk22M/QHzpWb/U8h2jmP1XKLGffzdepZV4NhyOY8xiqU4wMcgZ+iuBZ; Received: from outbound4.ebay.com ([216.113.168.128] helo=[10.244.137.169]) by box514.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PsJrr-0005Pa-1l for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:55:19 -0700 Message-ID: <4D655816.5020500@KingsMountain.com> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 10:55:18 -0800 From: =JeffH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {11025:box514.bluehost.com:kingsmou:kingsmountain.com} {sentby:smtp auth 216.113.168.128 authed with jeff.hodges+kingsmountain.com} Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] new xml2rfc tool X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 18:54:33 -0000 > Of course, an alternative would be what Julian Reschke proposed: > xml -> html / plain text / nroff this is essentially the present behavior, as I understand it, and is what makes sense to me in terms of input and outputs of the tool (tho that doesn't mean keep that output set -- Tony Hansen has impl'd also emitting ePub, Postscript, PDF and RTF, which is great). =JeffH From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Feb 24 06:42:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40933A6B3C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:42:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Phisv8LMR1E for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:42:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73453A6B3A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:42:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53106 helo=dyn-fg117.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PscPQ-0008J9-Go; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:43:13 +0100 Message-ID: <4D666E80.9000507@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:43:12 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on merlot.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: [Tools-discuss] Test driving beta versions of the new ID-submit Tool and WG Chairs Tracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 14:42:35 -0000 Hi, Test-driving of the beta version of the new ID-Submit Tool and the new WG Chairs Tracker is about to begin. A mailing list for questions and comments has been set up for each project, and I'd like to invite you to participate if you can find the time: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yaco-idsubmit-tool https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/yaco-wgchair-tracker I'm about to send out the first email to each of the lists, giving the beta server URLs, and login info for the wgchairs tracker testing; so check the archives for that if you're interested. Best, Henrik From Chris.Dearlove@baesystems.com Thu Feb 24 07:55:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1C63A65A6 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:55:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e4qftzbpBcpY for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:55:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ukmta3.baesystems.com (ukmta3.baesystems.com [20.133.40.55]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9623A6452 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:55:41 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,219,1297036800"; d="scan'208";a="118223407" Received: from unknown (HELO baemasodc004.greenlnk.net) ([10.108.36.11]) by Baemasodc001ir.sharelnk.net with ESMTP; 24 Feb 2011 15:56:30 +0000 Received: from glkms1102.GREENLNK.NET (glkms1102.greenlnk.net [10.108.36.193]) by baemasodc004.greenlnk.net (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p1OFuTZJ002082 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:56:29 GMT Received: from GLKMS2100.GREENLNK.NET ([10.15.184.93]) by glkms1102.GREENLNK.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:56:29 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:56:29 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D64F2B2.4040905@levkowetz.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: xml2rfc community comments Thread-Index: AcvTTtYvprnsjkfJSpy2ve86Gz4z0AA6EDuA References: <02E97FAF-B38E-414A-9693-A4B09940E339@cisco.com> <4D64F2B2.4040905@levkowetz.com> From: "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2011 15:56:29.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[666A69C0:01CBD43B] Subject: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc community comments X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 15:55:43 -0000 I'll throw my contribution into the solicited community comments on xml2rfc. As background I've been one of the users of xml2rfc on half a dozen Internet Drafts (three, shortly to be four, now RFCs). So I would guess I may be a not atypical user. I've not used any alternative. All I'm really hoping for from this posting is the relevant someone to indicate "comment captured", possibly with a "we already had this". (I have said this before on xml2rfc list, but I wouldn't have expected that to be captured, and I'm sure I'm not the only person, in fact I positively hope not, it's more likely for change to happen that way.) Then it can take its chances along with other suggestions in the process, specifically the what changes are needed aspect. Of course I have nits, anyone who uses software has nits. But the only nit I'd mention would be with regard to error messages, and the now on hold RFP discussed those I believe. I will note that we (I and my co-authors) use file inclusion a lot (it helps for parallel editing) so error messages need to refer back to the original multiple files, and the last I checked most do, a few don't. But there's one feature that I didn't see mentioned in the RFP, and that's top of my list of things to add to xml2rfc. And that's regarding page control issues. Currently tables can be split (badly) and captions of tables and figures put on separate pages to their table or figure. Less critical, but while I'm on a wish list, I don't like section headings at the foot of a page while the section starts on the next page. At the moment the only fix I know is using vspace with many lines (I use 999 as it stands out) to force a page break. But then make even a small change and you may need to remove all vspace after that point, run, check for the problems of the types described, fix the first such problem with a vspace, re-run, and so on until the end of the document. This is time consuming, and we've had draft versions we forgot to get this right for, so personally it passes my tests as a reasonably high priority for me. (It would save significant effort, it would enable better documents.) I would be flexible on the solution. The obvious (to me, others may have better ideas) two possibilities are first an attribute on some elements that says "keep all on one page" (or, probably more precisely, start on new page if won't fit on rest of this one) and second a "keep element on same page as next element" (similar rewording). You might end up needing both. If I created tables that were longer than a page I'd add to that list (split table only between logical rows, heading row repeat on new page options). But to finish on a positive note, the main things any new xml2rfc needs to be is as good as the current one which is anything but bad, just not perfect. -- Christopher Dearlove Technology Leader, Communications Group Communications and Networks Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK Tel: +44 1245 242194 Fax: +44 1245 242124 BAE Systems (Operations) Limited Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & Wales No: 1996687 ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** From cabo@tzi.org Thu Feb 24 08:02:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1807A3A657C for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:02:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.250, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SA9xgu95WMlr for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:02:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABB63A63CB for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:02:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p1OG2tsM026179; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:02:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (reingewinn.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.218.123]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A796D10A; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:02:55 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:03:47 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <02E97FAF-B38E-414A-9693-A4B09940E339@cisco.com> <4D64F2B2.4040905@levkowetz.com> To: "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc community comments X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:02:19 -0000 On Feb 24, 2011, at 16:56, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: > the only fix I know is using vspace needLines. 100 % more satisfying. Also doesn't totally wreck the HTML output. Gruesse, Carsten From julian.reschke@gmx.de Thu Feb 24 08:08:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246873A63CB for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:08:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.092 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.092 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.493, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7CEFwEtY7b+W for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:08:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CF4543A672E for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:08:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Feb 2011 16:09:11 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.134]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp022) with SMTP; 24 Feb 2011 17:09:11 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/8u+RJ8iv88+M2LGbsLCiWvzt8LtKVwpGVtH/ZLv rQLvOa1GFUht88 Message-ID: <4D6682A2.9030700@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:09:06 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" References: <02E97FAF-B38E-414A-9693-A4B09940E339@cisco.com> <4D64F2B2.4040905@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc community comments X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:08:24 -0000 On 24.02.2011 16:56, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: > ... > But there's one feature that I didn't see mentioned in the RFP, > and that's top of my list of things to add to xml2rfc. And > that's regarding page control issues. Currently tables can > be split (badly) and captions of tables and figures put on > separate pages to their table or figure. Less critical, but > while I'm on a wish list, I don't like section headings at > the foot of a page while the section starts on the next page. > > At the moment the only fix I know is using vspace with many > lines (I use 999 as it stands out) to force a page break. > But then make even a small change and you may need to remove > all vspace after that point, run, check for the problems of > the types described, fix the first such problem with a vspace, > re-run, and so on until the end of the document. This is time > consuming, and we've had draft versions we forgot to get this > right for, so personally it passes my tests as a reasonably > high priority for me. (It would save significant effort, it > would enable better documents.) > > I would be flexible on the solution. The obvious (to me, others > may have better ideas) two possibilities are first an attribute > on some elements that says "keep all on one page" (or, probably > more precisely, start on new page if won't fit on rest of this > one) and second a "keep element on same page as next element" > (similar rewording). You might end up needing both. If I created > tables that were longer than a page I'd add to that list (split > table only between logical rows, heading row repeat on new page > options). > ... I believe that before thinking about new markup, the developers of the new tool should simply try harder to make the defaults look ok. After all, we don't need to tell the processor that pre/postambles should stick to the artwork/table, or that section headings shouldn't be orphaned. From the practical point of view: I'd simply not worry about where page breaks end up in internet drafts. Let the RFC production center deal with it when the time is ripe. Best regards, Julian From Chris.Dearlove@baesystems.com Thu Feb 24 08:13:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C44B3A676A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:13:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.569 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DfpiHcpVdwMU for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:13:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from ukmta3.baesystems.com (ukmta3.baesystems.com [20.133.40.55]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5A93A672E for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:13:00 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,219,1297036800"; d="scan'208";a="118229385" Received: from unknown (HELO baemasodc004.greenlnk.net) ([10.108.36.11]) by Baemasodc001ir.sharelnk.net with ESMTP; 24 Feb 2011 16:13:50 +0000 Received: from glkms1103.GREENLNK.NET (glkms1103.greenlnk.net [10.108.36.194]) by baemasodc004.greenlnk.net (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id p1OGDm40013884 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:13:49 GMT Received: from GLKMS2100.GREENLNK.NET ([10.15.184.93]) by glkms1103.GREENLNK.NET with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:13:49 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:13:49 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4D6682A2.9030700@gmx.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc community comments Thread-Index: AcvUPS/FCGtefe4fQIq5zwM+tIHeHQAACgzA References: <02E97FAF-B38E-414A-9693-A4B09940E339@cisco.com> <4D64F2B2.4040905@levkowetz.com> <4D6682A2.9030700@gmx.de> From: "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2011 16:13:49.0395 (UTC) FILETIME=[D2256230:01CBD43D] Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc community comments X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:13:01 -0000 Julian Reschke > From the practical point of view: I'd simply not worry about where page > breaks end up in internet drafts. Let the RFC production center deal > with it when the time is ripe. I think it's appropriate to have Internet Drafts look reasonable too, not just RFCs, for a number of reasons. (One of those, though not the most important, is that IESG members will nit-pick far less than that.) -- Christopher Dearlove Technology Leader, Communications Group Communications and Networks Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK Tel: +44 1245 242194 Fax: +44 1245 242124 BAE Systems (Operations) Limited Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace Centre, Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & Wales No: 1996687 ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ******************************************************************** From cabo@tzi.org Thu Feb 24 08:13:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920BD3A676A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:13:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wqk9b3e1i6yW for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB393A672E for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:13:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p1OGEE6X003261; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:14:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (reingewinn.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.218.123]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CFCC0119; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:14:14 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <4D6682A2.9030700@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:15:05 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <02E97FAF-B38E-414A-9693-A4B09940E339@cisco.com> <4D64F2B2.4040905@levkowetz.com> <4D6682A2.9030700@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: "Dearlove, Christopher \(UK\)" , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc community comments X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:13:38 -0000 On Feb 24, 2011, at 17:09, Julian Reschke wrote: > I'd simply not worry about where page breaks end up in internet drafts. Doesn't work for me. I spend way more time with I-Ds than with RFCs. They should be readable. (But not tweaked to the max -- I agree to about 50 %.) Gruesse, Carsten From julian.reschke@gmx.de Thu Feb 24 08:18:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B4A3A63CB for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:18:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.036 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.036 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.437, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4iP2PK2JqsFq for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:18:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E34E3A6784 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 08:18:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 24 Feb 2011 16:19:40 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.134]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp023) with SMTP; 24 Feb 2011 17:19:40 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/szNoNq9TsqFaSqrsuoO7iUEKmoVGWfC1mlx4N/D +N53/NAPSUrZlh Message-ID: <4D668512.1010008@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:19:30 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann References: <02E97FAF-B38E-414A-9693-A4B09940E339@cisco.com> <4D64F2B2.4040905@levkowetz.com> <4D6682A2.9030700@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: "Dearlove, Christopher \(UK\)" , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc community comments X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:18:52 -0000 On 24.02.2011 17:15, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Feb 24, 2011, at 17:09, Julian Reschke wrote: > >> I'd simply not worry about where page breaks end up in internet drafts. > > Doesn't work for me. > I spend way more time with I-Ds than with RFCs. > They should be readable. > (But not tweaked to the max -- I agree to about 50 %.) ...if I want something for reading, I try to find the HTML version :-) (both for I-Ds and RFCs) From tony@att.com Thu Feb 24 08:54:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E71073A6765 for ; 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U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" References: <02E97FAF-B38E-414A-9693-A4B09940E339@cisco.com> <4D64F2B2.4040905@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] xml2rfc community comments X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 16:54:51 -0000 On 2/24/2011 10:56 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: > ... > All I'm really hoping for from this posting is the relevant > someone to indicate "comment captured", possibly with a "we > already had this". (I have said this before on xml2rfc list, > but I wouldn't have expected that to be captured, and I'm > sure I'm not the only person, in fact I positively hope not, > it's more likely for change to happen that way.) Then it can > take its chances along with other suggestions in the process, > specifically the what changes are needed aspect. About a year ago, we started using trac to record issues and enhancement requests for xml2rfc.tcl and the xml.resource.org web site. It can be found at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ Anyone is free to look at the known issue list. And anyone with a login on tools.ietf.org can add issues. (And for those who are truly ambitious, anyone can download the code from svn and contribute to the code base.) Please take a look and see if your issues are there, and if not, feel free to add them. See http://tools.ietf.org/newlogin if you don't have a login on tools.ietf.org. > Of course I have nits, anyone who uses software has nits. > But the only nit I'd mention would be with regard to error > messages, and the now on hold RFP discussed those I believe. > I will note that we (I and my co-authors) use file inclusion > a lot (it helps for parallel editing) so error messages need > to refer back to the original multiple files, and the last I > checked most do, a few don't. There is an PI that lets your XML define what file name and line number is to be used for error messages. So whatever you use to create the single XML for uploading xml.resource.org and emit those PIs and your error messages should then refer back to the original multiple files. If you're using xml2rfc.tcl locally, the error messages should be generated correctly. > But there's one feature that I didn't see mentioned in the RFP, > and that's top of my list of things to add to xml2rfc. And > that's regarding page control issues. Currently tables can > be split (badly) and captions of tables and figures put on > separate pages to their table or figure. Less critical, but > while I'm on a wish list, I don't like section headings at > the foot of a page while the section starts on the next page. > > At the moment the only fix I know is using vspace with many > lines (I use 999 as it stands out) to force a page break. > But then make even a small change and you may need to remove > all vspace after that point, run, check for the problems of > the types described, fix the first such problem with a vspace, > re-run, and so on until the end of the document. This is time > consuming, and we've had draft versions we forgot to get this > right for, so personally it passes my tests as a reasonably > high priority for me. (It would save significant effort, it > would enable better documents.) Yeah, splitting tables across pages and widow & orphan control are areas where the current xml2rfc.tcl could do better. See issues #14 and #24 for some information on these issues. (Feel free to add additional information to them.) > I would be flexible on the solution. The obvious (to me, others > may have better ideas) two possibilities are first an attribute > on some elements that says "keep all on one page" (or, probably > more precisely, start on new page if won't fit on rest of this > one) and second a "keep element on same page as next element" > (similar rewording). You might end up needing both. Both forms are needed at the end. > If I created > tables that were longer than a page I'd add to that list (split > table only between logical rows, heading row repeat on new page > options). One thought is that certain tags should automatically have the "keep with next" attribute. Section titles are one example. > But to finish on a positive note, the main things any new > xml2rfc needs to be is as good as the current one which is > anything but bad, just not perfect. Thanks for all your comments. Tony Hansen From mnot@mnot.net Thu Feb 24 17:08:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580DF3A688A for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:08:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.303 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.303 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.264, BAYES_00=-2.599, DC_IMAGE_SPAM_HTML=0.001, DC_IMAGE_SPAM_TEXT=0.001, DC_PNG_UNO_LARGO=0.558, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tMrhYHj7PfcQ for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:08:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37183A6819 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:08:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from chancetrain-lm.mnot.net (unknown 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Cheers, -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ --Apple-Mail-13-313885477-- From cabo@tzi.org Fri Feb 25 22:25:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CBC3A691B for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:25:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sAn1e-5QkFC9 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:25:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73343A691C for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2011 22:25:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p1Q6QOCJ016444 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 07:26:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.217.101] (p5489EADA.dip.t-dialin.net [84.137.234.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D54A56A2; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 07:26:24 +0100 (CET) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 07:27:29 +0100 To: Tools Team Discussion Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Trac losing its mail-fu? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 06:25:41 -0000 I wonder why I haven't seen tickets 114 to 119 from = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/core/trac/timeline on the core mailing = list. Gruesse, Carsten From henrik@levkowetz.com Sat Feb 26 07:11:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5423A6948 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 07:11:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cWsQzAJA-YeX for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 07:11:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BA33A6944 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 07:11:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from 90-230-136-60-no45.tbcn.telia.com ([90.230.136.60]:53648 helo=[192.168.1.70]) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PtLox-0007gp-BL; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:12:35 +0100 Message-ID: <4D691852.7@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:12:18 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig531C466CDE901E5B5A4EF33D" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 90.230.136.60 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: cabo@tzi.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Trac losing its mail-fu? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 15:11:54 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig531C466CDE901E5B5A4EF33D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten, On 2011-02-26 07:27 Carsten Bormann said the following: > I wonder why I haven't seen tickets 114 to 119 from > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/core/trac/timeline on the core mailing > list. Oops. My first thought would be this: In connexion with setting up the ability to handle email updates to Trac tickets, I had to change the From: address of ticket notifications to include the specific tracker that has sent the notification as part of the address. This would of course result in the address not being authorized to post to the list any more ... I've fixed this in the postconfirm filter on www.ietf.org; that should make future tickets end up in the moderators queue for you list, at least. Should I try to get the failed emails re-sent? Best, Henrik --------------enig531C466CDE901E5B5A4EF33D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAk1pGF0ACgkQeVhrtTJkXCP8swCfcOlFxPwywMzXzTUi9U2oPzmp fJ4AoJunT6XDGVvzi8dg46vv2qzmI8Hs =kyBu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig531C466CDE901E5B5A4EF33D-- From cabo@tzi.org Sat Feb 26 11:04:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AE03A67ED for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 11:04:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.143, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rpj6wd12FdQc for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 11:04:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242253A67B0 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 11:04:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p1QJ50uj029692; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:05:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from eduroam-0614.wlan.uni-bremen.de (eduroam-0614.wlan.uni-bremen.de [134.102.18.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 66BD9730; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:05:00 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <4D691852.7@levkowetz.com> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 20:05:57 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4D691852.7@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.2beta2 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Trac losing its mail-fu? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 19:04:15 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 26, 2011, at 16:12, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Should I try to get the failed emails re-sent? No, in this specific case they can easily be handled separately. Thanks for sleuthing this up... 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