From stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie Thu Mar 1 09:20:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 686EC21E805A for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:20:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dQJUkeordWCA for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from scss.tcd.ie (hermes.scss.tcd.ie [IPv6:2001:770:10:200:889f:cdff:fe8d:ccd2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B897521E803C for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:20:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28059171C90 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 17:20:22 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject:mime-version :user-agent:from:date:message-id:received:received: x-virus-scanned; s=cs; t=1330622421; bh=njUf8uScl+8hAi2JORyKj5CI Zbc7sSw315D0ohZXfHs=; b=srm5h+555tla/zNvapVfgxecAzFgXH4e5aZDAKwV 5VyE8++qucJ4BCf+5UYksj4yyI9c/yyIoO4zKyHVHnai32ypvyf+GazyIx8ghj0a blzMfLFqu4fjMNlTHKURM9y9HGp8rKfMhjeQ2yjvQxI9ZsDYnTloESlQRM5duA9b XoIvT4aG4XZn4+kP8OHjnghYyh3VLYYyduv+3W28+4a+utex5CNJojl5/PpLFEs4 Fvf1jhLCjafxVCGaPc0sYoe+KQDMHN5IYtu4fejvg2ccwGf4uPEJZFb9LgLTmJN9 iSDEnT4ZhgLbhpM/R3jZy0wELIHpcd9ENeWEedH66YzKMw== X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id i+XMemH-+zgq for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 17:20:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.87.48.10] (unknown [86.42.29.17]) by smtp.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 72DFC171C8F for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 17:20:21 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4F4FAFD3.5050804@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:20:19 +0000 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] IPR declaration goes poof? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:20:53 -0000 The text below was a discuss point I raised on a document that maybe turns out to be a tools issue. RFC 3926 on the tools page doesn't show any IPR [1] But there is one. [2] The RFC3926bis draft [3] has a new IPR declaration [4] I got confused by the lack of visibility of [2] and wrote up that discuss. Is this a case of the new IPR declaration messing up the link between the base RFC and its IPR declaration or something? Cheers, S. [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3926 [2] http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/731/ [3] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised-13 [4] https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=document_search&document_search=draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised My discuss text is below. ----- #1 The IPR situation here appears complex. This obsoletes the experimental 3296 which has no IPR declarations. A common author for this and 3926 is an inventor of IPR declared in 2006 on this document. Could I get a pointer to where the WG was informed of and/or considered this? (Had a quick look, didn't find it.) Is it (still) the case that 3926 is not considered to require an IPR declaration but this document does? Reading section 11, I don't see much change here so as a result, I'm unclear as to whether the meta-data for these documents is consistent and considered so by the WG. So this may be more of a tools issue perhaps - if the new declaration supercedes the old then maybe the tools page for the RFC forgets the old IPR declaration or something. I'll keep the discuss so's we can figure that out. http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/731/ is a declaration on RFC 3926 as it turns out. From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Mar 1 10:41:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8806421E81D6 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:41:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.512 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.512 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.088, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NfKdbMMKYhPK for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61DC721E81D1 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e] (port=64733 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1S3AwI-0002IV-80; Thu, 01 Mar 2012 19:41:18 +0100 Message-ID: <4F4FC2CD.7010005@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 19:41:17 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Farrell References: <4F4FAFD3.5050804@cs.tcd.ie> In-Reply-To: <4F4FAFD3.5050804@cs.tcd.ie> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IPR declaration goes poof? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 18:41:21 -0000 Hi Stephen, On 2012-03-01 18:20 Stephen Farrell said: > > The text below was a discuss point I raised on a document that > maybe turns out to be a tools issue. > > RFC 3926 on the tools page doesn't show any IPR [1] Hmm. That's not good. My first guesses at the reason (which was that the export from the datatracker had broken with the big upgrade) turned out to be wrong. I need to dig deeper down to find out why [2] doesn't show one. > But there is one. [2] > The RFC3926bis draft [3] has a new IPR declaration [4] > > I got confused by the lack of visibility of [2] and wrote up > that discuss. > > Is this a case of the new IPR declaration messing up the > link between the base RFC and its IPR declaration or something? Shouldn't be so -- the obvious reasons I looked for didn't fly. Will get back to you once I know more. Best regards, Henrik > Cheers, > S. > > [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3926 > [2] http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/731/ > [3] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised-13 > [4] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=document_search&document_search=draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised > > My discuss text is below. > > ----- > > #1 The IPR situation here appears complex. This obsoletes the > experimental 3296 which has no IPR declarations. A common author > for this and 3926 is an inventor of IPR declared in 2006 on this > document. Could I get a pointer to where the WG was informed of > and/or considered this? (Had a quick look, didn't find it.) Is it > (still) the case that 3926 is not considered to require an IPR > declaration but this document does? Reading section 11, I don't > see much change here so as a result, I'm unclear as to whether the > meta-data for these documents is consistent and considered so by > the WG. > > So this may be more of a tools issue perhaps - if the new declaration > supercedes the old then maybe the tools page for the RFC forgets the > old IPR declaration or something. I'll keep the discuss so's we can > figure that out. > > http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/731/ is a declaration on RFC 3926 as > it turns out. > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Mar 5 03:12:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF2721F8730 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 03:12:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EeE7wVL8296A for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 03:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA0421F872F for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 03:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e] (port=61733 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1S4Vqa-0004CI-6e; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:12:56 +0100 Message-ID: <4F549FB7.1040408@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:12:55 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Farrell References: <4F4FAFD3.5050804@cs.tcd.ie> <4F4FC2CD.7010005@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4F4FC2CD.7010005@levkowetz.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IPR declaration goes poof? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:12:58 -0000 Hi Stephen, So it turns out that the datatracker was now exporting IPR information to me (through a dedicated text page) with all the rfcs indicated as 'RFCxxxx' rather than 'rfcxxxx' -- while the tools pages have all doc's named with lowercase. I added a case normalization of the IPR info at my end, and the rfc page now carries the IPR link it should have carried all the time. Thanks for the alert, and sorry for the trouble! Best regards, Henrik On 2012-03-01 19:41 Henrik Levkowetz said: > Hi Stephen, > > On 2012-03-01 18:20 Stephen Farrell said: >> >> The text below was a discuss point I raised on a document that >> maybe turns out to be a tools issue. >> >> RFC 3926 on the tools page doesn't show any IPR [1] > > Hmm. That's not good. My first guesses at the reason (which was > that the export from the datatracker had broken with the big > upgrade) turned out to be wrong. I need to dig deeper down to > find out why [2] doesn't show one. > > >> But there is one. [2] >> The RFC3926bis draft [3] has a new IPR declaration [4] >> >> I got confused by the lack of visibility of [2] and wrote up >> that discuss. >> >> Is this a case of the new IPR declaration messing up the >> link between the base RFC and its IPR declaration or something? > > Shouldn't be so -- the obvious reasons I looked for didn't fly. > > Will get back to you once I know more. > > Best regards, > > Henrik > > >> Cheers, >> S. >> >> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3926 >> [2] http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/731/ >> [3] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised-13 >> [4] >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=document_search&document_search=draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised >> >> My discuss text is below. >> >> ----- >> >> #1 The IPR situation here appears complex. This obsoletes the >> experimental 3296 which has no IPR declarations. A common author >> for this and 3926 is an inventor of IPR declared in 2006 on this >> document. Could I get a pointer to where the WG was informed of >> and/or considered this? (Had a quick look, didn't find it.) Is it >> (still) the case that 3926 is not considered to require an IPR >> declaration but this document does? Reading section 11, I don't >> see much change here so as a result, I'm unclear as to whether the >> meta-data for these documents is consistent and considered so by >> the WG. >> >> So this may be more of a tools issue perhaps - if the new declaration >> supercedes the old then maybe the tools page for the RFC forgets the >> old IPR declaration or something. I'll keep the discuss so's we can >> figure that out. >> >> http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/731/ is a declaration on RFC 3926 as >> it turns out. >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie Mon Mar 5 03:21:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AF921F8757 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 03:21:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WOaNwGxiaf5O for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 03:21:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from scss.tcd.ie (hermes.scss.tcd.ie [IPv6:2001:770:10:200:889f:cdff:fe8d:ccd2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BD821F8725 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 03:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hermes.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86057153601; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:21:01 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.tcd.ie; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:user-agent:from:date:message-id:received :received:x-virus-scanned; s=cs; t=1330946460; bh=oqk7OS1cccrp5g 0V3PxVF1N98n/T7yaFgfdXArZCX/c=; b=g+qReyyqCkUYG+bhiEBRMIBXccDYuw lFace+gZVykPjw7WxsPcAK9MMdhsfhoLuRMw+nys3botK95xIAlPWVBGAVctIypa FAwrJ7cbSIAXDCeioiKxVdOWKnAW4xfFikStwGyCGgoKyc96wpsQnKX0cAqVHa9U 7ull/6EGPuY813/CHBTBo7a5RILVSfhRJlO3lk+L8m/T5ySwtNzQc+0s3iTBGrD1 +t+6YmbMrE3tl07HN1MQDmBIiO4KrqRexNfzDXJtkJFYHf4MXTUfENwyheJypD7/ OKhP/Rgv0H+/FQfF1wzyJ+lqZUgfvhuZXvVar4miimnDsCn0qo+zWhWQ== X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at scss.tcd.ie Received: from scss.tcd.ie ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id q3YlSlwWHZCh; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:21:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:770:10:203:a288:b4ff:fe9c:bc5c] (unknown [IPv6:2001:770:10:203:a288:b4ff:fe9c:bc5c]) by smtp.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B5C6E153600; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:21:00 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4F54A19C.2020702@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:21:00 +0000 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <4F4FAFD3.5050804@cs.tcd.ie> <4F4FC2CD.7010005@levkowetz.com> <4F549FB7.1040408@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4F549FB7.1040408@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IPR declaration goes poof? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:21:06 -0000 Hi Henrik, No troubles, glad we caught it though. Thanks, S. On 03/05/2012 11:12 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > So it turns out that the datatracker was now exporting IPR information > to me (through a dedicated text page) with all the rfcs indicated as > 'RFCxxxx' rather than 'rfcxxxx' -- while the tools pages have all doc's > named with lowercase. I added a case normalization of the IPR info at > my end, and the rfc page now carries the IPR link it should have carried > all the time. > > Thanks for the alert, and sorry for the trouble! > > Best regards, > > Henrik > > On 2012-03-01 19:41 Henrik Levkowetz said: >> Hi Stephen, >> >> On 2012-03-01 18:20 Stephen Farrell said: >>> >>> The text below was a discuss point I raised on a document that >>> maybe turns out to be a tools issue. >>> >>> RFC 3926 on the tools page doesn't show any IPR [1] >> >> Hmm. That's not good. My first guesses at the reason (which was >> that the export from the datatracker had broken with the big >> upgrade) turned out to be wrong. I need to dig deeper down to >> find out why [2] doesn't show one. >> >> >>> But there is one. [2] >>> The RFC3926bis draft [3] has a new IPR declaration [4] >>> >>> I got confused by the lack of visibility of [2] and wrote up >>> that discuss. >>> >>> Is this a case of the new IPR declaration messing up the >>> link between the base RFC and its IPR declaration or something? >> >> Shouldn't be so -- the obvious reasons I looked for didn't fly. >> >> Will get back to you once I know more. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Henrik >> >> >>> Cheers, >>> S. >>> >>> [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3926 >>> [2] http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/731/ >>> [3] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised-13 >>> [4] >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=document_search&document_search=draft-ietf-rmt-flute-revised >>> >>> My discuss text is below. >>> >>> ----- >>> >>> #1 The IPR situation here appears complex. This obsoletes the >>> experimental 3296 which has no IPR declarations. A common author >>> for this and 3926 is an inventor of IPR declared in 2006 on this >>> document. Could I get a pointer to where the WG was informed of >>> and/or considered this? (Had a quick look, didn't find it.) Is it >>> (still) the case that 3926 is not considered to require an IPR >>> declaration but this document does? Reading section 11, I don't >>> see much change here so as a result, I'm unclear as to whether the >>> meta-data for these documents is consistent and considered so by >>> the WG. >>> >>> So this may be more of a tools issue perhaps - if the new declaration >>> supercedes the old then maybe the tools page for the RFC forgets the >>> old IPR declaration or something. I'll keep the discuss so's we can >>> figure that out. >>> >>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/731/ is a declaration on RFC 3926 as >>> it turns out. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >> > From lars@netapp.com Mon Mar 5 03:25:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EF721F85A1 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 03:25:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.076 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.076 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.077, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_63=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZFHr8jy3gPCU for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 03:25:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx2.netapp.com (mx2.netapp.com [216.240.18.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1FE21F8572 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 03:25:16 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,533,1325491200"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="630723593" Received: from smtp2.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.159.114]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 05 Mar 2012 03:25:01 -0800 Received: from vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) by smtp2.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id q25BP1Gd028979 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 03:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from SACEXCMBX04-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.6.92]) by vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 03:25:01 -0800 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: iCal agenda.ics and Google calendar Thread-Index: AQHM+sKaBNqj0dlYEEq0YDUvhWhsKQ== Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:25:00 +0000 Message-ID: <5B4BD57E-972A-4CB6-8071-D2B71039947A@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.106.53.51] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5645F859-82CD-4C16-B072-3795D63EED94"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Tools-discuss] iCal agenda.ics and Google calendar X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 11:25:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5645F859-82CD-4C16-B072-3795D63EED94 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, when I try to import this ical calendar = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.ics?cfrg,dtnrg,iccrg,mobopt= s,ncrg,samrg into my Google calendar, I get this error "Could not fetch the url because robots.txt prevents us from = crawling the url." and nothing happens. If I retry a second time, a calendar gets imported, but is empty. Importing into iCal on the Mac works fine. 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X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] iCal agenda.ics and Google calendar X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:59:26 -0000 Hi Lars, On 2012-03-05 12:25 Eggert, Lars said: > Hi, > > when I try to import this ical calendar > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.ics?cfrg,dtnrg,iccrg,mobopts,ncrg,samrg > > into my Google calendar, I get this error > > "Could not fetch the url because robots.txt prevents us from crawling the url." > > and nothing happens. > > If I retry a second time, a calendar gets imported, but is empty. > > Importing into iCal on the Mac works fine. I think it's debatable if Google should care about robots.txt when you point to a specific url. However, quite apart from that, we do want google to index the datatracker, and the block-all robots.txt only should be present in the test and development deployments. I've taken out the generic block from the file now. Thanks for the alert :-) Best regards, Henrik From lars@netapp.com Mon Mar 5 05:07:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFB421F86DD for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 05:07:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.075 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.075 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_63=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MMT6LX55xalq for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 05:07:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx2.netapp.com (mx2.netapp.com [216.240.18.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B5021F86AD for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 05:07:10 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,533,1325491200"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="630739909" Received: from smtp2.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.159.114]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 05 Mar 2012 05:07:09 -0800 Received: from vmwexceht01-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.239]) by smtp2.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id q25D79AM015902; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 05:07:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from SACEXCMBX04-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.6.92]) by vmwexceht01-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.239]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 05:07:09 -0800 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Henrik Levkowetz Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] iCal agenda.ics and Google calendar Thread-Index: AQHM+sKaBNqj0dlYEEq0YDUvhWhsKZZcMCgAgAACKoA= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 13:07:07 +0000 Message-ID: <2701B4CA-C1C6-4284-BB0E-01CC6ADCDE89@netapp.com> References: <5B4BD57E-972A-4CB6-8071-D2B71039947A@netapp.com> <4F54B8AA.9020706@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4F54B8AA.9020706@levkowetz.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.104.60.115] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2002F20D-02C1-4AD0-9080-D6809E1DC6F3"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] iCal agenda.ics and Google calendar X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:07:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2002F20D-02C1-4AD0-9080-D6809E1DC6F3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On Mar 5, 2012, at 13:59, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > I think it's debatable if Google should care about robots.txt when you > point to a specific url. Agreed. > However, quite apart from that, we do want > google to index the datatracker, and the block-all robots.txt only = should > be present in the test and development deployments. I've taken out = the > generic block from the file now. Hm. I still get the robots.txt error when I try to add the calendar at = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.ics?cfrg,dtnrg,iccrg,mobopt= s,ncrg,samrg Lars= --Apple-Mail=_2002F20D-02C1-4AD0-9080-D6809E1DC6F3 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIMQDCCBUow ggQyoAMCAQICEFcfSRTG0jNknqb9LV9GuFkwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwgd0xCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVT MRcwFQYDVQQKEw5WZXJpU2lnbiwgSW5jLjEfMB0GA1UECxMWVmVyaVNpZ24gVHJ1c3QgTmV0d29y azE7MDkGA1UECxMyVGVybXMgb2YgdXNlIGF0IGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnZlcmlzaWduLmNvbS9ycGEg KGMpMDkxHjAcBgNVBAsTFVBlcnNvbmEgTm90IFZhbGlkYXRlZDE3MDUGA1UEAxMuVmVyaVNpZ24g Q2xhc3MgMSBJbmRpdmlkdWFsIFN1YnNjcmliZXIgQ0EgLSBHMzAeFw0xMTEyMTAwMDAwMDBaFw0x MjEyMDkyMzU5NTlaMIIBDTEXMBUGA1UEChMOVmVyaVNpZ24sIEluYy4xHzAdBgNVBAsTFlZlcmlT aWduIFRydXN0IE5ldHdvcmsxRjBEBgNVBAsTPXd3dy52ZXJpc2lnbi5jb20vcmVwb3NpdG9yeS9S 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ESMTP id YPnWGT4PAhlm for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 06:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE8221F8539 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 06:01:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e] (port=62748 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1S4YTU-0001V6-D5; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:01:16 +0100 Message-ID: <4F54C72C.8070608@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 15:01:16 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Eggert, Lars" References: <5B4BD57E-972A-4CB6-8071-D2B71039947A@netapp.com> <4F54B8AA.9020706@levkowetz.com> <2701B4CA-C1C6-4284-BB0E-01CC6ADCDE89@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <2701B4CA-C1C6-4284-BB0E-01CC6ADCDE89@netapp.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: lars@netapp.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] iCal agenda.ics and Google calendar X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 14:01:20 -0000 Hi Lars, On 2012-03-05 14:07 Eggert, Lars said: > On Mar 5, 2012, at 13:59, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> I think it's debatable if Google should care about robots.txt when you >> point to a specific url. > > Agreed. > >> However, quite apart from that, we do want >> google to index the datatracker, and the block-all robots.txt only should >> be present in the test and development deployments. I've taken out the >> generic block from the file now. > > Hm. I still get the robots.txt error when I try to add the calendar at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.ics?cfrg,dtnrg,iccrg,mobopts,ncrg,samrg They probably cache the robots.txt information. I'd made the content empty, but have now changed it to have content, but not disallow anything: https://datatracker.ietf.org/robots.txt Best regards, Henrik From fluffy@iii.ca Thu Mar 1 09:39:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AE721E80D9 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:39:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.79 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.191, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9RDPgx-Z3PMo for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D136821E80D0 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 09:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.4.100] (unknown [128.107.239.233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 41AB922E259 for ; Thu, 1 Mar 2012 12:39:05 -0500 (EST) From: Cullen Jennings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:39:03 -0700 Message-Id: <1D31D31D-41C3-423F-8D3C-2E645450753F@iii.ca> To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 06:42:20 -0800 Subject: [Tools-discuss] pre approving a -00 version of a WG document X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 17:39:06 -0000 I used to be able to pre approving a -00 version of a WG draft but can't = seem to do that anymore. Anyone know how I do that? Thanks, Cullen =20= From tony@att.com Tue Mar 6 06:49:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E028821F886F for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 06:49:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vgwcIRG+W33m for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 06:49:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com [209.65.160.92]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C826521F8826 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 06:49:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from unknown [144.160.20.145] (EHLO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) by nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-6.11.0-8) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id 1e3265f4.0.2029.00-485.5111.nbfkord-smmo05.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:49:07 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 4f5623e31bf75033-310cff2d104d3aa78adaf8e9e2ac113d4d14d3f0 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q26EnZNh014549 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 09:49:35 -0500 Received: from sflint01.pst.cso.att.com (sflint01.pst.cso.att.com [144.154.234.228]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q26EnWe9014510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 09:49:33 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by sflint01.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 09:48:46 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q26Emk36007059 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 09:48:46 -0500 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q26Emk4J007048 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 09:48:46 -0500 Received: from [130.10.97.126] (vpn-130-10-97-126.vpn.swst.att.com[130.10.97.126]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20120306144616gw1004or2me> (Authid: tony); Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:46:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [130.10.97.126] Message-ID: <4F5623CC.7020109@att.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 09:48:44 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-RSA-Action: allow X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.20.145] X-AnalysisOut: [v=1.0 c=1 a=5c5oIj8kNK4A:10 a=ra92YfU4GoUA:10 a=OKtnMz-LHU] X-AnalysisOut: [EA:10 a=2qL5HIk2eJwA:10 a=ofMgfj31e3cA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:1] X-AnalysisOut: [0 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ZRNLZ4dFUbCvG8UMqPvVAA==:17 a=48vgC7] X-AnalysisOut: [mUAAAA:8 a=dcalr0RDxel7fDbDCK4A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10] Subject: [Tools-discuss] forcing "full document text" all the time on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:49:09 -0000 I've looked and looked, but can't find the link to manipulate the "[include full document text]" setting from https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc? I know I set it once so that it was on by default, but the setting got lost. Should there be an "options" link on the left to set options like this on my browser? Or perhaps a link at the bottom that says something like "[change full document settings]"? Tony Hansen From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Tue Mar 6 06:50:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E190421F877A for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 06:50:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.703 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.703 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.104, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BppHdb6fobTj for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 06:50:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDD421F8768 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 06:50:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.20.30.101] (50-0-66-4.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.0.66.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q26EoCHD064313 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 6 Mar 2012 07:50:14 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <1D31D31D-41C3-423F-8D3C-2E645450753F@iii.ca> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 06:50:12 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0427B6EA-4DB8-4798-B251-B45635B09C30@vpnc.org> References: <1D31D31D-41C3-423F-8D3C-2E645450753F@iii.ca> To: Cullen Jennings X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] pre approving a -00 version of a WG document X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:50:16 -0000 On Mar 1, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Cullen Jennings wrote: > I used to be able to pre approving a -00 version of a WG draft but = can't seem to do that anymore. Anyone know how I do that? Henrik does, and he will make it more available before the next meeting. = See the threads on wgchairs@ yesterday. --Paul Hoffman From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Mar 6 07:24:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF06B21F893C for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 07:24:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.515 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.515 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.085, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hyqWtTqVc5M9 for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 07:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F72621F895C for ; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 07:24:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e] (port=56723 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1S4wFd-00052m-S6; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 16:24:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4F562C31.1070400@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 16:24:33 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Hansen References: <4F5623CC.7020109@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4F5623CC.7020109@att.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tony@att.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] forcing "full document text" all the time on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2012 15:24:36 -0000 On 2012-03-06 15:48 Tony Hansen said: > I've looked and looked, but can't find the link to manipulate the > "[include full document text]" setting from > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc? > > I know I set it once so that it was on by default, but the setting got > lost. > > Should there be an "options" link on the left to set options like this > on my browser? Or perhaps a link at the bottom that says something like > "[change full document settings]"? The page is here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/cookies/ Yes, maybe there should be a link in the sidebar or at the bottom -- maybe something for the sprint? Best regards, Henrik From Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com Wed Mar 7 15:43:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ED9B21E800C for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:43:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.245 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.245 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.609, BAYES_20=-0.74, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gvYNqR133YkE for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:43:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a8]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CF6E721E8024 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:43:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1544 invoked by uid 0); 7 Mar 2012 23:43:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box514.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.114) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 7 Mar 2012 23:43:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kingsmountain.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=T59xJbPytTHcyCKM6mpCDPyYDv8r5vNB1bZcaBh2D1M=; b=ld1kblOuo/iesJG24X4PxSXnedXd49DdNB6nqFvHvxHDLBKTNFLwMJuNbhT2fm+XdhT93FQR3471wnIDS1SHlRpRZaCtDSu6H0eG3zSGscv5xCR++UD3zlrmpgcnLmOQ; Received: from c-24-4-122-173.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([24.4.122.173] helo=[192.168.11.11]) by box514.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S5QW5-0007wu-ID for tools-discuss@ietf.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:43:33 -0700 Message-ID: <4F57F2A3.4000203@KingsMountain.com> Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 15:43:31 -0800 From: =JeffH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.27) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/3.1.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {11025:box514.bluehost.com:kingsmou:kingsmountain.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.4.122.173 authed with jeff.hodges+kingsmountain.com} Subject: [Tools-discuss] Internet-draft filename rules not enforced? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2012 23:43:36 -0000 so I saw this relatively new I-D go past.. draft-iiban https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iiban/ Well, shucks, I spose putting a bit more metadata, such as the author's name, in the filename is a quaint practice, but we like having such stuff in the filename for all sorts of reasons (like being able to go back and find things, etc) So how'd this slip past I wonder? there's a companion I-D too.. draft-imic-00 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-imic/ Plus one other such instance I can easily discern.. draft-sigdevctrl-00 =JeffH From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Wed Mar 7 18:29:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FCF21E8029 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 18:29:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.485 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.485 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.114, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x2Tx0oOghKX0 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 18:29:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com (mail-ey0-f172.google.com [209.85.215.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2C221E8020 for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 18:29:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by eaaq11 with SMTP id q11so2462eaa.31 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 18:29:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=h+bxU6lMZpzGBtHGLYsSx7l1CSb+tygXALUFZz3pSfA=; b=KlPIAolfLtNJTWuofdEp33k/yQqu5UyiVdC6BwrI3cIXELtTz8gBViFGw0Nf0RfrmR aWX+EjmlM67EILZXKuSTWf0I8BgPvyISTEzJ2ZGvdjJs3CbWJJqpGDzZ5nNSf8V9o853 8O+87acEDfaTB5oZ6xdse/bAALenkKXOQZENF6G0E0Ir+a0jwO2LyNcrbJLfgyKZXHEC zDwxEBdu8kx2nb+EDlzzrg7x/WWJylc1Za4ZAZDXN+sVRpuM8uqTTzIhh+4naPeWCD3Q XFmPqzSM1cwhiRr8AjRLHpU5N2Qvg+pXyJgJNMhZbFSn6FRE/Vr3MS7cpDqwZ7/UMQ3E UaYQ== Received: by 10.14.50.74 with SMTP id y50mr1765439eeb.107.1331173756916; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 18:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([121.98.251.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y11sm971355eem.3.2012.03.07.18.29.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 07 Mar 2012 18:29:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F581972.8020906@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 15:29:06 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =JeffH References: <4F57F2A3.4000203@KingsMountain.com> In-Reply-To: <4F57F2A3.4000203@KingsMountain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF Tools List Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Internet-draft filename rules not enforced? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 02:29:18 -0000 Well, they aren't rules: http://www.ietf.org/id-info/guidelines.html We could require at least two alpha strings after draft-, but given that we allow draft-ymbk-* it's hard to see what algorithm could help us beyond that. I'm still waiting for the first person called Mr or Ms Ietf to submit an individual draft. Brian On 2012-03-08 12:43, =JeffH wrote: > so I saw this relatively new I-D go past.. > > draft-iiban > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iiban/ > > > Well, shucks, I spose putting a bit more metadata, such as the author's > name, in the filename is a quaint practice, but we like having such > stuff in the filename for all sorts of reasons (like being able to go > back and find things, etc) > > So how'd this slip past I wonder? > > there's a companion I-D too.. > > draft-imic-00 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-imic/ > > Plus one other such instance I can easily discern.. > > draft-sigdevctrl-00 > > > =JeffH > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com Mon Mar 12 05:51:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A1021F879D for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 05:51:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.359 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.359 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.240, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hstk49Sa6zco for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 05:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw9.se.ericsson.net (mailgw9.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.57]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2093221F879A for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 05:51:44 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb39-b7bf2ae0000069a1-3e-4f5df1601be8 Received: from esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by mailgw9.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 18.4A.27041.061FD5F4; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:51:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (153.88.115.8) by esessmw0237.eemea.ericsson.se (153.88.115.91) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.3.213.0; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:51:43 +0100 Message-ID: <4F5DF15F.4040100@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 13:51:43 +0100 From: Magnus Westerlund User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: [Tools-discuss] Bug regarding unused references in idnits 2.12.13 X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 12:51:46 -0000 Hi, I was running ID-nits (2.12.13) on RTSP 2.0 draft version 29: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc2326bis/ And I run into the issues below of reported unused references which in fact are present in the document. However, they are present in appendixes after the reference list. Any potential for getting this fixed? == Unused Reference: 'RFC4567' is defined on line 10113, but no explicit reference was found in the text '[RFC4567] Arkko, J., Lindholm, F., Naslund, M., Norrman, K., and E....' == Unused Reference: 'RFC4571' is defined on line 10118, but no explicit reference was found in the text '[RFC4571] Lazzaro, J., "Framing Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP)...' == Unused Reference: 'RFC2663' is defined on line 10205, but no explicit reference was found in the text '[RFC2663] Srisuresh, P. and M. Holdrege, "IP Network Address Transl...' == Unused Reference: 'RFC2974' is defined on line 10212, but no explicit reference was found in the text '[RFC2974] Handley, M., Perkins, C., and E. Whelan, "Session Announc...' == Unused Reference: 'RFC3261' is defined on line 10215, but no explicit reference was found in the text '[RFC3261] Rosenberg, J., Schulzrinne, H., Camarillo, G., Johnston,...' == Unused Reference: 'RFC5583' is defined on line 10232, but no explicit reference was found in the text '[RFC5583] Schierl, T. and S. Wenger, "Signaling Media Decoding Depe...' == Unused Reference: 'RFC5888' is defined on line 10236, but no explicit reference was found in the text '[RFC5888] Camarillo, G. and H. Schulzrinne, "The Session Descriptio...' == Unused Reference: 'Stevens98' is defined on line 10243, but no explicit reference was found in the text '[Stevens98] Stevens, W., "Unix Networking Programming - Volume 1, se...' Cheers Magnus Westerlund ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 Färögatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp Tue Mar 13 01:17:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FB0521F8875 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:17:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.557 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.557 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.626, BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hBmI-hi7+VJy for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scintmta02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scintmta02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.253.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6384421F885A for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scmse02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.253.231]) by scintmta02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id q2D8H1Pm007864 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:17:01 +0900 Received: from (unknown [133.2.206.133]) by scmse02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 2bc3_083f_e8d9c962_6ce4_11e1_b22f_001d096c5782; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:17:01 +0900 Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([133.2.210.1]:34336) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:17:06 +0900 Message-ID: <4F5F027A.6010201@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:16:58 +0900 From: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] Printing from tools.ietf.org/html prints one page too much X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:17:17 -0000 Dear tools experts, I started to realize in the last few days that printing from tools.ietf.org/html prints one page too much, in all browsers I have tried (Opera, IE, Firefox, Chrome all on Windows; I tried Safari but that currently crashes when trying to print or print preview). I very much like to look at drafts in that version (because the drafts and RFCs look like "the real thing", but there are working links, and because that format prints without problems in all browsers that I use). However, it seems to always print one page too much, and I have traced the problem down as follows. If you look at the source of http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-moonesamy-rfc2919bis-04 as an example, it ends with >>>>>>>> Moonesamy, et al. Expires August 23, 2012 [Page 12]

Html markup produced by rfcmarkup 1.98, available from http://tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/ >>>>>>>> The "
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" is one too much. I suspect this is the result of simply converting an FF ("form feed") character to the class='newpage' markup. Removing any FF before the end of a file (files produced with xml2rfc seem to end in FFCRLF, but there might be other patterns from other tools) before the whole conversion should be one way to solve this problem easily. If there's a tracker this should go into, please tell me. Thanks (from all the saved trees), Martin. From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Mar 13 05:25:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE48221F874A for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 05:25:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QCRNhoLyOpm5 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 05:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B28821F8740 for ; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 05:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e] (port=58608 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1S7Qml-00083X-Jh; Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:25:03 +0100 Message-ID: <4F5F3C9F.9080306@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:25:03 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_J=2E_D=FCrst=22?= References: <4F5F027A.6010201@it.aoyama.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: <4F5F027A.6010201@it.aoyama.ac.jp> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Printing from tools.ietf.org/html prints one page too much X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:25:07 -0000 Hi Martin, On 2012-03-13 09:16 "Martin J. Dürst" said: ... > The "
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" is one too much. I suspect this > is the result of simply converting an FF ("form feed") character to the > class='newpage' markup. Removing any FF before the end of a file (files > produced with xml2rfc seem to end in FFCRLF, but there might be other > patterns from other tools) before the whole conversion should be one way > to solve this problem easily. Spot on. Fixed in v1.100, released now. Thanks for the report and analysis! 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charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <82819D3C-E998-4C40-8078-7F225B9494CA@nostrum.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) From: Adam Roach Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:21:28 -0500 To: "" Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 208.54.86.132 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: "" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Erroneous timezone information in agenda ICS calendar X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:20:55 -0000 Looking at RFC5545, the issue appears to be the quote marks. The ABNF produc= tion calls for paramtext, not param-value, which means that the quote marks a= re disallowed.=20 The name itself can be literally any string that the implementer finds usefu= l or amusing. /a On Mar 15, 2012, at 10:53, wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I've noticed Thunderbird's Lightning complain on parsing the ICS for=20 > IETF meeting agenda. > It complains that " /tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/Europe/Paris " is=20 > not a proper timezone. >=20 > Indeed, the ICS looks like this (from=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/83/ics/ietf-83-mptcp-notz.ics) : >=20 > DTSTART;TZID=3D"/tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/Europe/Paris":20120330= T112000 >=20 > The fix, I guess, is to remove the double-quotes and the spurious=20 > '/tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/' to get something like such as: >=20 > DTSTART;TZID=3DEurope/Paris:20120330T112000 > || >=20 > The same kind of issue exists with the DTEND field, and with the TZID=20 > field of the ics file generated with timezone information. >=20 > (This issue has been around for some time, it just occurred to me now=20 > that someone should report it!) >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > -Thomas > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Mar 15 09:58:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81DC21F87D6 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:58:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.074 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.074 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.526, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ix33K5OY-vMu for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E55121F87D3 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 09:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e] (port=58584 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1S8E0E-0000Px-BJ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:58:14 +0100 Message-ID: <4F621FA6.3010608@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:58:14 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Roach References: <82819D3C-E998-4C40-8078-7F225B9494CA@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <82819D3C-E998-4C40-8078-7F225B9494CA@nostrum.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: adam@nostrum.com, thomas.morin@orange.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: "" , "" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Erroneous timezone information in agenda ICS calendar X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:58:23 -0000 Thanks, Adam. I've changed the .ics generation script to omit the quote marks; the .ics files should be updated to use this within an hour. Best regards, Henrik On 2012-03-15 17:21 Adam Roach said: > Looking at RFC5545, the issue appears to be the quote marks. The ABNF production calls for paramtext, not param-value, which means that the quote marks are disallowed. > > The name itself can be literally any string that the implementer finds useful or amusing. > > /a > > On Mar 15, 2012, at 10:53, wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've noticed Thunderbird's Lightning complain on parsing the ICS for >> IETF meeting agenda. >> It complains that " /tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/Europe/Paris " is >> not a proper timezone. >> >> Indeed, the ICS looks like this (from >> http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/83/ics/ietf-83-mptcp-notz.ics) : >> >> DTSTART;TZID="/tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/Europe/Paris":20120330T112000 >> >> The fix, I guess, is to remove the double-quotes and the spurious >> '/tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/' to get something like such as: >> >> DTSTART;TZID=Europe/Paris:20120330T112000 >> || >> >> The same kind of issue exists with the DTEND field, and with the TZID >> field of the ics file generated with timezone information. >> >> (This issue has been around for some time, it just occurred to me now >> that someone should report it!) >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Thomas >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From thomas.morin@orange.com Fri Mar 16 02:01:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF8621F869F for ; 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Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thomas.morin@orange.com References: <82819D3C-E998-4C40-8078-7F225B9494CA@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: thomas.morin@orange.com, adam@nostrum.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Erroneous timezone information in agenda ICS calendar X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 09:59:56 -0000 Hi Thomas, Inline: On 2012-03-16 10:02 thomas.morin@orange.com said: > Hi Adam, > > 2012-03-15, Adam Roach: >> Looking at RFC5545, the issue appears to be the quote marks. The ABNF >> production calls for paramtext, not param-value, which means that the >> quote marks are disallowed. > > Ok, there was a syntax problem, which is now gone (thanks Henrik). > >> The name itself can be literally any string that the implementer finds >> useful or amusing. > > How is this supposed to be interpreted by an ICS client ? If the > implementer puts "SolarSystem/Mars", even its amusing, you don't expect > client software to correctly understand what time you are talking about, > do you ? > > So, there still seems to be a content problem: Lightning is still > complaining that it doesn't know about the > "/tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/Europe/Paris" timezone. I don't know > the ICS format, but it looks kind of legitimate for Lightning to not > know about a timezone name with "tools.ietf.org" in it...(and even what > follows looks suspicious). > > Am I missing something ? Yes. The TZID in the DTSTART statement is just a reference back to the declaration of exactly how the timezone in question is put together. At the beginning of the .ics file, you have something like this, which declares a timezone (VTIMEZONE) and binds it to the TZID string: BEGIN:VTIMEZONE TZID:/tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/Europe/Paris X-LIC-LOCATION:Europe/Paris BEGIN:DAYLIGHT TZOFFSETFROM:+0100 TZOFFSETTO:+0200 TZNAME:CEST DTSTART:19810329T020000 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=3;BYDAY=-1SU END:DAYLIGHT BEGIN:STANDARD TZOFFSETFROM:+0200 TZOFFSETTO:+0100 TZNAME:CET DTSTART:19961027T030000 RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYMONTH=10;BYDAY=-1SU END:STANDARD ... END:VTIMEZONE (There can be more than one of these in an iCalendar file, when the file uses multiple time zones.) The ics client isn't supposed to interpret the TZID label as such; it's supposed to read and interpret the VTIMEZONE declaration and use the VTIMEZONE labelled by the TZID for the DTSTART element which has that particular TZID indication. Speculation: Maybe Lightning hasn't implemented proper parsing of the VTIMEZONE component yet, and in order to get something out has taken a shortcut of assuming that it knows about TZIDs with labels matching the official timezone labels in the olson database. FWIW, the naming used in the .ical files on tools is as suggested by the authors of the fairly well-known vzic (http://vzic.sourceforge.net/) program which converts Olson timezone database data into iCalendar VTIMEZONE data. Best regards, Henrik > -Thomas > > > >> On Mar 15, 2012, at 10:53, wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I've noticed Thunderbird's Lightning complain on parsing the ICS for >>> IETF meeting agenda. >>> It complains that " /tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/Europe/Paris " is >>> not a proper timezone. >>> >>> Indeed, the ICS looks like this (from >>> http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/83/ics/ietf-83-mptcp-notz.ics) : >>> >>> DTSTART;TZID="/tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/Europe/Paris":20120330T112000 >>> >>> The fix, I guess, is to remove the double-quotes and the spurious >>> '/tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/' to get something like such as: >>> >>> DTSTART;TZID=Europe/Paris:20120330T112000 >>> || >>> >>> The same kind of issue exists with the DTEND field, and with the TZID >>> field of the ics file generated with timezone information. >>> >>> (This issue has been around for some time, it just occurred to me now >>> that someone should report it!) >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -Thomas >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > From pusateri@bangj.com Fri Mar 16 07:43:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E9621F854F for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 07:43:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.398 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_63=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_64=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NSMt+HYUbBue for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 07:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jj.bangj.com (jj.bangj.com [198.86.87.199]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9462A21F8545 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 07:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.6.56] (host-69-144-126-62.static.bresnan.net [69.144.126.62]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by jj.bangj.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 50AC5B10; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 10:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5ADC7655-88E1-449B-AF27-FD8149A49345" From: Tom Pusateri In-Reply-To: <4F630F14.3080203@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:43:44 -0600 Message-Id: <591E73F8-99A4-47D3-B5D1-A5BB7C7BBAE2@bangj.com> References: <82819D3C-E998-4C40-8078-7F225B9494CA@nostrum.com> <4F630F14.3080203@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: thomas.morin@orange.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Erroneous timezone information in agenda ICS calendar X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:43:51 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5ADC7655-88E1-449B-AF27-FD8149A49345 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mar 16, 2012, at 3:59 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Yes. The TZID in the DTSTART statement is just a reference back to = the > declaration of exactly how the timezone in question is put together. = At > the beginning of the .ics file, you have something like this, which > declares a timezone (VTIMEZONE) and binds it to the TZID string: >=20 > BEGIN:VTIMEZONE > TZID:/tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/Europe/Paris > X-LIC-LOCATION:Europe/Paris > BEGIN:DAYLIGHT > TZOFFSETFROM:+0100 > TZOFFSETTO:+0200 > TZNAME:CEST > DTSTART:19810329T020000 > RRULE:FREQ=3DYEARLY;BYMONTH=3D3;BYDAY=3D-1SU > END:DAYLIGHT > BEGIN:STANDARD > TZOFFSETFROM:+0200 > TZOFFSETTO:+0100 > TZNAME:CET > DTSTART:19961027T030000 > RRULE:FREQ=3DYEARLY;BYMONTH=3D10;BYDAY=3D-1SU > END:STANDARD >=20 > ... >=20 > END:VTIMEZONE >=20 > (There can be more than one of these in an iCalendar file, when the = file > uses multiple time zones.) >=20 > The ics client isn't supposed to interpret the TZID label as such; = it's > supposed to read and interpret the VTIMEZONE declaration and use the > VTIMEZONE labelled by the TZID for the DTSTART element which has that > particular TZID indication. >=20 > Speculation: Maybe Lightning hasn't implemented proper parsing of the > VTIMEZONE component yet, and in order to get something out has taken a > shortcut of assuming that it knows about TZIDs with labels matching = the > official timezone labels in the olson database. >=20 > FWIW, the naming used in the .ical files on tools is as suggested by = the > authors of the fairly well-known vzic (http://vzic.sourceforge.net/) > program which converts Olson timezone database data into iCalendar > VTIMEZONE data. >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Henrik >=20 I've had this same discussion with Henrik when writing the iPhone/iPad = app. While I understand the explanation offered for the custom TZID = strings, I also see no upside to using this approach. There also seems = to be no downside to using the Olson timezone names instead. Thanks, Tom --Apple-Mail=_5ADC7655-88E1-449B-AF27-FD8149A49345 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Yes.  The TZID in = the DTSTART statement is just a reference back to the
declaration of = exactly how the timezone in question is put together.  At
the = beginning of the .ics file, you have something like this, = which
declares a timezone (VTIMEZONE) and binds it to the TZID = string:

 BEGIN:VTIMEZONE
=  TZID:/tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/Europe/Paris
=  X-LIC-LOCATION:Europe/Paris
 BEGIN:DAYLIGHT
=  TZOFFSETFROM:+0100
 TZOFFSETTO:+0200
=  TZNAME:CEST
 DTSTART:19810329T020000
=  RRULE:FREQ=3DYEARLY;BYMONTH=3D3;BYDAY=3D-1SU
=  END:DAYLIGHT
 BEGIN:STANDARD
=  TZOFFSETFROM:+0200
 TZOFFSETTO:+0100
=  TZNAME:CET
 DTSTART:19961027T030000
=  RRULE:FREQ=3DYEARLY;BYMONTH=3D10;BYDAY=3D-1SU
=  END:STANDARD

...

 END:VTIMEZONE

(There = can be more than one of these in an iCalendar file, when the = file
uses multiple time zones.)

The ics client isn't supposed = to interpret the TZID label as such; it's
supposed to read and = interpret the VTIMEZONE declaration and use the
VTIMEZONE labelled by = the TZID for the DTSTART element which has that
particular TZID = indication.

Speculation:  Maybe Lightning hasn't implemented = proper parsing of the
VTIMEZONE component yet, and in order to get = something out has taken a
shortcut of assuming that it knows about = TZIDs with labels matching the
official timezone labels in the olson = database.

FWIW, the naming used in the .ical files on tools is as = suggested by the
authors of the fairly well-known vzic (http://vzic.sourceforge.net/)program which converts Olson timezone database data into = iCalendar
VTIMEZONE data.


Best regards,

= Henrik


I've had = this same discussion with Henrik when writing the iPhone/iPad app. While = I understand the explanation offered for the custom TZID strings, I also = see no upside to using this approach. There also seems to be no downside = to using the Olson timezone names = instead.

Thanks,
Tom

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<82819D3C-E998-4C40-8078-7F225B9494CA@nostrum.com> <4F630F14.3080203@levkowetz.com> <591E73F8-99A4-47D3-B5D1-A5BB7C7BBAE2@bangj.com> To: Tom Pusateri X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: thomas.morin@orange.com, Henrik Levkowetz , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Erroneous timezone information in agenda ICS calendar X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:49:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_78BB6735-6EE2-469C-AD7B-88AE535FE1A9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 16 mar 2012, at 08:43, Tom Pusateri wrote: > I've had this same discussion with Henrik when writing the iPhone/iPad = app. While I understand the explanation offered for the custom TZID = strings, I also see no upside to using this approach. There also seems = to be no downside to using the Olson timezone names instead. This was my argument (as Area Director) when the standard was developed. = I even said that having timezone information in the record will create = stale information in records that contains tzinfo for time zones where = rules changed. Events are anchored somewhere (geographically for example). The mapping = between time+geo to time in other geo(*) should be possible to do using = data stored in a central place, for example the Olsen databases. So I am *strongly* supporting what you say, and even urge people that = have energy to bring this back to the IETF and update the RFC's. = Although of course people that have this view I have might still be in = the rough part of rough consensus. Patrik (*) I do not like software where I enter a city+time for an event to say = the time for an event, and the application then at that point in time = re-calculate the time and store the event given the current timezone. = #fail The event is happening in a special timezone, and I do not want = applications to "try to be smart". Timezones change.= --Apple-Mail=_78BB6735-6EE2-469C-AD7B-88AE535FE1A9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I've had = this same discussion with Henrik when writing the iPhone/iPad app. While = I understand the explanation offered for the custom TZID strings, I also = see no upside to using this approach. There also seems to be no downside = to using the Olson timezone names = instead.

This was my = argument (as Area Director) when the standard was developed. I even said = that having timezone information in the record will create stale = information in records that contains tzinfo for time zones where rules = changed.

Events are anchored somewhere = (geographically for example). The mapping between time+geo to time in = other geo(*) should be possible to do using data stored in a central = place, for example the Olsen databases.

So I am = *strongly* supporting what you say, and even urge people that have = energy to bring this back to the IETF and update the RFC's. Although of = course people that have this view I have might still be in the rough = part of rough consensus.

  =  Patrik

(*) I do not like software where I = enter a city+time for an event to say the time for an event, and the = application then at that point in time re-calculate the time and store = the event given the current timezone. #fail The event is happening in a = special timezone, and I do not want applications to "try to be smart". = Timezones change.
= --Apple-Mail=_78BB6735-6EE2-469C-AD7B-88AE535FE1A9-- From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Mar 16 09:55:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855DA21E800E for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 09:55:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.108 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.108 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.491, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U2hyjXo+Gg5e for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 09:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C602B21F8697 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 09:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34805 helo=vigonier.local ident=henrik) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1S8aR2-0002rc-RC; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:55:24 +0100 Message-ID: <4F63707C.6020700@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:55:24 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thomas.morin@orange.com References: <82819D3C-E998-4C40-8078-7F225B9494CA@nostrum.com> <4F630F14.3080203@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: thomas.morin@orange.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Erroneous timezone information in agenda ICS calendar X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:55:26 -0000 Hi Tomas On 2012-03-16 15:46 thomas.morin@orange.com said the following: > Hi Henrik, > > Henrik Levkowetz : >> >> So, there still seems to be a content problem: Lightning is still >> complaining that it doesn't know about the >> "/tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/Europe/Paris" timezone. I don't know >> the ICS format, but it looks kind of legitimate for Lightning to not >> know about a timezone name with "tools.ietf.org" in it...(and even what >> follows looks suspicious). >> >> Am I missing something ? >> Yes. The TZID in the DTSTART statement is just a reference back to the >> declaration of exactly how the timezone in question is put together. At >> the beginning of the .ics file, you have something like this, > [snip] > > Thanks for the explanation, it helps a lot. > > The calendar on which Lightning was complaining is a calendar *without* > timezone information ("...-notz.ics" URL), and which has no VTIMEZONE > component. Ah. Then if I recall correctly from the RFC it's a bug that there's a TZID on the DTSTART -- that's supposed to be a floating time calendar. I'll have a look at the code that is supposed to strip out the TZID at once. >> Speculation: Maybe Lightning hasn't implemented proper parsing of the >> VTIMEZONE component yet, and in order to get something out has taken a >> shortcut of assuming that it knows about TZIDs with labels matching the >> official timezone labels in the olson database. > > Lightning does not complain if I use the other type of URL, that > includes the VTIMEZONE component. > > My question would now be: in the ICS file *without* the VTIMEZONE > component, how is "/tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/Europe/Paris" > supposed to be interpreted, and wouldn't it make sense to use an > official timezone label from the Olson database, hoping that some > clients will successfully take the shortcut you mention above ? I think the right thing should be to do as (I recall) the RFC saying; present this one without the TZID. I'll check in more detail, fix as needed, and let you know. Best regards, Henrik > Thanks, > > -Thomas > > >>>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 10:53, wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I've noticed Thunderbird's Lightning complain on parsing the ICS for >>>>> IETF meeting agenda. >>>>> It complains that " /tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/Europe/Paris " is >>>>> not a proper timezone. >>>>> >>>>> Indeed, the ICS looks like this (from >>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/83/ics/ietf-83-mptcp-notz.ics) : >>>>> >>>>> DTSTART;TZID="/tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/Europe/Paris":20120330T112000 >>>>> >>>>> The fix, I guess, is to remove the double-quotes and the spurious >>>>> '/tools.ietf.org/Olson_20110927_1/' to get something like such as: >>>>> >>>>> DTSTART;TZID=Europe/Paris:20120330T112000 >>>>> || >>>>> >>>>> The same kind of issue exists with the DTEND field, and with the TZID >>>>> field of the ics file generated with timezone information. >>>>> >>>>> (This issue has been around for some time, it just occurred to me now >>>>> that someone should report it!) >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> -Thomas >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>>>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tools-discuss mailing list >>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-discuss mailing list >> Tools-discuss@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Sat Mar 17 13:52:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49BD21F84EB for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:52:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.684 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.684 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.085, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z0-1KHnTnCsE for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16AFA21F84E6 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.101] (50-0-66-4.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.0.66.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2HKqWN1091019 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:52:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:52:32 -0700 Message-Id: To: Tools Team Discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Two questions about the "tools-style" agenda X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 20:52:34 -0000 Hi again. - Is the agenda supposed to be up to date? At the moment, there are two = WGs on the "main" agenda that are listed as cancelled that still appear = on the tools-style agenda. The latter was supposedly updated after the = former, so there may be something that is not picking up "cancelled" = notifications. - What does almost-but-not-quite aqua mean on a WG's name? (ia2ex, = antitrust, ...) There should be a legend at the top or bottom to = explain. --Paul Hoffman From adam@nostrum.com Sat Mar 17 17:08:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D97421F861C for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 17:08:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.204 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.204 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uuo2I1RThffW for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 17:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A1F721F8609 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 17:08:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (m8d5636d0.tmodns.net [208.54.86.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2I08UDG073644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:08:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) From: Adam Roach Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:09:10 -0500 To: Paul Hoffman Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 208.54.86.141 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Two questions about the "tools-style" agenda X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:08:34 -0000 On Mar 17, 2012, at 15:52, Paul Hoffman wrote: >=20 > - What does almost-but-not-quite aqua mean on a WG's name? (ia2ex, antitru= st, ...) There should be a legend at the top or bottom to explain. >=20 I agree that a key would be helpful. Assuming the question was not hypotheti= cal, those are BOFs (as opposed to normal WG sessions). /a= From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Sun Mar 18 12:04:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A24321F85B7 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:04:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.683 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.683 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nea8KGtgsAP3 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB22721F85AF for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.101] (50-0-66-4.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.0.66.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2IJ4pjB024079 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:04:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:04:52 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <02D69737-5608-43AA-8823-DBE91588743B@vpnc.org> References: To: Tools Team Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Two questions about the "tools-style" agenda X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:04:56 -0000 On Mar 17, 2012, at 5:09 PM, Adam Roach wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Mar 17, 2012, at 15:52, Paul Hoffman wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> - What does almost-but-not-quite aqua mean on a WG's name? (ia2ex, = antitrust, ...) There should be a legend at the top or bottom to = explain. >>=20 >=20 > I agree that a key would be helpful. Assuming the question was not = hypothetical, those are BOFs (as opposed to normal WG sessions). Was not hypothetical because I thought WEIRDS was already a WG. A legend = would be easy to add. --Paul Hoffman From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Mar 19 08:03:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA33A21F86F8 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:03:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.144 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.144 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.456, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id awq7AMHlsQJP for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B3221F885F for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e] (port=63203 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1S9e7R-0002rC-1D; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:03:33 +0100 Message-ID: <4F674AC4.9030402@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:03:32 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: paul.hoffman@vpnc.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Two questions about the "tools-style" agenda X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:03:36 -0000 On 2012-03-17 21:52 Paul Hoffman said: > Hi again. > > - Is the agenda supposed to be up to date? At the moment, there are > two WGs on the "main" agenda that are listed as cancelled that still > appear on the tools-style agenda. The latter was supposedly updated > after the former, so there may be something that is not picking up > "cancelled" notifications. This is because cancelled meetings used to have a note 'CANCELLED', but this meeting they instead have a note 'CANCELED'. I'm adding a fix to the markup engine to catch this. > - What does almost-but-not-quite aqua mean on a WG's name? (ia2ex, > antitrust, ...) There should be a legend at the top or bottom to > explain. There's a title on the bof names which should show a tooltip 'BOF' if you hover over them. There's also a bug filed against Firefox for not showing tooltips in some situations on some hardware: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=617128 Henrik From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Mar 19 08:19:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16DB21F883E for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:19:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.418 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.418 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.819, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HPy4CjN44-b0 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A9A6E21F8812 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Mar 2012 15:19:29 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp010) with SMTP; 19 Mar 2012 16:19:29 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+yWdgaFGWyfTmuRVGJ98RCzgdKwitYUGrvhZRrQu w9Z1vrlFZ63dBP Message-ID: <4F674E70.4030605@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:19:12 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz References: <4F674AC4.9030402@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <4F674AC4.9030402@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Paul Hoffman , Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Two questions about the "tools-style" agenda X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:19:32 -0000 On 2012-03-19 16:03, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > > On 2012-03-17 21:52 Paul Hoffman said: >> Hi again. >> >> - Is the agenda supposed to be up to date? At the moment, there are >> two WGs on the "main" agenda that are listed as cancelled that still >> appear on the tools-style agenda. The latter was supposedly updated >> after the former, so there may be something that is not picking up >> "cancelled" notifications. > > This is because cancelled meetings used to have a note 'CANCELLED', but > this meeting they instead have a note 'CANCELED'. I'm adding a fix to > the markup engine to catch this. I wonder why we are still using systems that require scraping information from plain text... > ... Best regards, Julian From adam@nostrum.com Mon Mar 19 08:48:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E9021F8789 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:48:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.519 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.519 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.081, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OZZIDPfGeGyR for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38A721F8770 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 08:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dn3-228.estacado.net (vicuna-alt.estacado.net [75.53.54.121]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2JFlxPU064879 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:47:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <4F67552F.7040804@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:47:59 -0500 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4F674AC4.9030402@levkowetz.com> <4F674E70.4030605@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4F674E70.4030605@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 75.53.54.121 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , Tools Team Discussion , Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Two questions about the "tools-style" agenda X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:48:03 -0000 On 3/19/12 10:19 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2012-03-19 16:03, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> >> On 2012-03-17 21:52 Paul Hoffman said: >>> Hi again. >>> >>> - Is the agenda supposed to be up to date? At the moment, there are >>> two WGs on the "main" agenda that are listed as cancelled that still >>> appear on the tools-style agenda. The latter was supposedly updated >>> after the former, so there may be something that is not picking up >>> "cancelled" notifications. >> >> This is because cancelled meetings used to have a note 'CANCELLED', but >> this meeting they instead have a note 'CANCELED'. I'm adding a fix to >> the markup engine to catch this. > > I wonder why we are still using systems that require scraping > information from plain text... Sign up for the code sprint and help make things better. (Insert adage about lighting candles and cursing darkness here.) http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETF83Sprint /a From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Mar 19 09:14:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63CBC21F865A for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:14:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.174 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.174 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.426, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ej2lIvMGL4dk for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8708E21F865B for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 09:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e] (port=63626 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1S9fDS-0006pQ-CB; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:13:50 +0100 Message-ID: <4F675B3E.6010007@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:13:50 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4F674AC4.9030402@levkowetz.com> <4F674E70.4030605@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4F674E70.4030605@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: julian.reschke@gmx.de, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: Tools Team Discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Two questions about the "tools-style" agenda X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 16:14:06 -0000 Hi Julian, On 2012-03-19 16:19 Julian Reschke said: >> This is because cancelled meetings used to have a note 'CANCELLED', but >> this meeting they instead have a note 'CANCELED'. I'm adding a fix to >> the markup engine to catch this. > > I wonder why we are still using systems that require scraping > information from plain text... The main reason is that there isn't often that code authors have the capacity to rewrite code built up over ~10 years instantly when structured data becomes available ... Best regards, Henrik From lars@netapp.com Tue Mar 20 04:58:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6013321F86F3 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 04:58:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.177, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id atPmrpD5zvzP for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 04:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netapp.com (mx2.netapp.com [216.240.18.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1FC21F86EC for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 04:58:38 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,618,1325491200"; d="scan'208";a="634745127" Received: from smtp1.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.156.124]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 20 Mar 2012 04:58:22 -0700 Received: from vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com (vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com [10.106.76.241]) by smtp1.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id q2KBwMxr013409 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 04:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SACEXCMBX04-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.6.168]) by vmwexceht03-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.241]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 04:58:21 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: agenda links broken for IRTF RGs Thread-Index: AQHNBpC+m1+2pH6MSkCJ8TM6JFs8/w== Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 11:58:20 +0000 Message-ID: <3C8EE0F2-0CF5-4A21-B3E7-D61E009A2DC6@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.106.53.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <5E6F913434FBC14D9D0D9C6F90E41BB6@tahoe.netapp.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Tools-discuss] agenda links broken for IRTF RGs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 11:58:39 -0000 Hi, on http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/83/ agenda, the agenda links for IRTF RGs a= re broken. E.g., http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/83/ncrg.html gives a 404, as does http:/= /tools.ietf.org/agenda/83/iccrg.html The datatracker agenda https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.html = has working links, e.g., at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/agenda/agend= a-83-ncrg.txt and http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/agenda/agenda-83-iccrg= .txt for the two RGs above. Lars= From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Mar 20 05:35:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A136421F8700 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:35:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HxDvb1feWSD9 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D58221F8685 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 05:35:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e] (port=55732 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1S9yHY-0000ed-7I; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 13:35:20 +0100 Message-ID: <4F687988.3030005@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 13:35:20 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Eggert, Lars" References: <3C8EE0F2-0CF5-4A21-B3E7-D61E009A2DC6@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <3C8EE0F2-0CF5-4A21-B3E7-D61E009A2DC6@netapp.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: lars@netapp.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] agenda links broken for IRTF RGs X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 12:35:23 -0000 Hi Lars, On 2012-03-20 12:58 Eggert, Lars said: > Hi, > > on http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/83/ agenda, the agenda links for IRTF > RGs are broken. Right. Agenda files got a nameing convention change with the new database schema. Fixed. Thanks for the alert! Best regards, Henrik From lars@netapp.com Thu Mar 22 03:12:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EEA21F864A for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:12:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.379 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.379 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.220, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TSzBfp9OOhiA for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netapp.com (mx2.netapp.com [216.240.18.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9258821F861D for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:11:59 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,629,1325491200"; d="scan'208";a="635407727" Received: from smtp2.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.159.114]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 22 Mar 2012 03:11:59 -0700 Received: from vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com (vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com [10.106.76.240]) by smtp2.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id q2MABwmt003387 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SACEXCMBX04-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.6.168]) by vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:11:56 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: ical agenda suggestion Thread-Index: AQHNCBQ2G98WCU3e4UC78Md9AATG0w== Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:11:56 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.104.60.115] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <676FE3C7D5ADCF468AA4E99DF7A41397@tahoe.netapp.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Tools-discuss] ical agenda suggestion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:12:01 -0000 Hi, can we make it so that the ical calendars once can download from https://da= tatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.html don't have all the breaks and oth= er things in them as events? At least maybe only as an option? Thanks, Lars= From fred@cisco.com Thu Mar 22 03:38:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D9D21F869C for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:38:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.433 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.433 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.166, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MI1TfIXMqIKU for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A43021F8697 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:38:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=840; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1332412695; x=1333622295; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/cF67Gb7V2y5SjDoDGH+wMeZfpwR8IYG8Bc8ZBBXsOk=; b=SkPbd/p1ikdK/MMyJqIu6/EuWIsH+V2G4pqvbyjiuXw5lwz0yj7QXpb3 fDN9I2Wj/lZY0+P2TGBvOjy+mBRqhoKBPHS70mLJc8rTm9kqAifHoV3Tv Dv5d79tDfXdA8I86NSoMxLF8+kEHS5K6p5kL5KHJ+T0vjdenzPr7D/Ud0 s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EAMv/ak+Q/khM/2dsb2JhbABEtzCBB4IJAQEBAwEBAQEPASc0CwULC0YnMAYTIodjBQuZK58WkAFjBJVfhW2IU4Fogmg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,629,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="69075296" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Mar 2012 10:38:07 +0000 Received: from Freds-Computer.local (dhcp-10-61-97-71.cisco.com [10.61.97.71]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2MAc81v012013; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:38:08 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by Freds-Computer.local (PGP Universal service); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:38:08 +0100 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by Freds-Computer.local on Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:38:08 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:37:53 +0100 Message-Id: <60EED80A-EA6D-4DCF-BB46-2B6358DC8935@cisco.com> References: To: "Eggert, Lars" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ical agenda suggestion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:38:18 -0000 On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Eggert, Lars wrote: > Hi, >=20 > can we make it so that the ical calendars once can download from = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.html don't have all the = breaks and other things in them as events? At least maybe only as an = option? The iCal one gives you that option. The calendar I am subscribing to for = this meeting contains exactly one thing I don't really want - the = newcomer's orientation in French. = http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/83/ics/ietf-83-saag+core+opsawg+IETF+pcp+Welc= ome+v6ops+6man+opsec+tsvwg+Technical+softwire+homenet+ncrg+6renum+grow+New= comers%27+rfcform.ics > Thanks, > Lars > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From lars@netapp.com Thu Mar 22 04:27:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC0521F865D for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:27:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.217, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DC+xs318aaFy for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netapp.com (mx2.netapp.com [216.240.18.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D881D21F865A for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:27:55 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,629,1325491200"; d="scan'208";a="635420054" Received: from smtp1.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.156.124]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 22 Mar 2012 04:27:39 -0700 Received: from vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com (vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com [10.106.76.240]) by smtp1.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id q2MBRcSC013724; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SACEXCMBX04-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.6.168]) by vmwexceht02-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.240]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 04:27:36 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Fred Baker Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] ical agenda suggestion Thread-Index: AQHNCBQ2G98WCU3e4UC78Md9AATG05Z2lNyAgAAN5YA= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:27:35 +0000 Message-ID: <042D8150-DB61-43C9-96D1-39A9F355E063@netapp.com> References: <60EED80A-EA6D-4DCF-BB46-2B6358DC8935@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <60EED80A-EA6D-4DCF-BB46-2B6358DC8935@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.104.60.115] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <53A5DE5DD9B9864E8D1B1315022C2335@tahoe.netapp.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ical agenda suggestion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:27:56 -0000 Hi, On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:37, Fred Baker wrote: >> can we make it so that the ical calendars once can download from https:/= /datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.html don't have all the breaks and = other things in them as events? At least maybe only as an option? >=20 > The iCal one gives you that option. The calendar I am subscribing to for = this meeting contains exactly one thing I don't really want - the newcomer'= s orientation in French. >=20 > http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/83/ics/ietf-83-saag+core+opsawg+IETF+pcp+Wel= come+v6ops+6man+opsec+tsvwg+Technical+softwire+homenet+ncrg+6renum+grow+New= comers%27+rfcform.ics that's the tools.ietf.org ical calendar. There is another ical agenda avail= able via the datatracker, and that one doesn't. (I can't remember why I used the datatracker one this time; I used to use t= he tools one, too.) Lars= From adam@nostrum.com Thu Mar 22 06:13:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C65CF21F869D for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 06:13:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.321 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.321 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.279, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q3kF1A9DkDMW for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 06:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D0521F85F8 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 06:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hydra-en0.roach.at (99-152-144-32.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.144.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2MDDEoP051592 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:13:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <4F6B256A.2020500@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:13:14 -0500 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Eggert, Lars" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 99.152.144.32 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ical agenda suggestion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:13:16 -0000 On 3/22/12 05:11, Mar 22, Eggert, Lars wrote: > Hi, > > can we make it so that the ical calendars once can download from https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.html don't have all the breaks and other things in them as events? At least maybe only as an option? > I'll be refactoring the agenda-related code to use the new database schema this code sprint. If I have extra time, I'll look at adding an option to exclude the things other than working group meetings. /a From bob.hinden@gmail.com Thu Mar 22 09:28:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BA921F8675 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:28:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.302, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 278XD7ZGspnj for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com (mail-we0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E3A21F861E for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by werb10 with SMTP id b10so2380085wer.31 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:28:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=eE0G9ywduOidrOxaYGLNUaTDHpezk2WZBEMBviD8S3A=; b=UabAOlppVeCmwO6rv29umcZaIUPxu5jo1aqA/BoS1TuQc+ujBHIzugDqRQowN0pFC0 99rFufr/dnCZHTkl/ozVFGp5Al9Xi577uUaLSj+YN7964OD+VRSSxW+B6wA5U7E8+500 MhaW4JV/I0iPr6Z2spv/vLGqcd1zoT18zkVHOoWE5f8zRyBK1UkF1Ea/5GzxrRe7goUf kUn8ptEfTCTBBSx+YfFdHatXRk115NqCB/80ury2Rrgsic1S1GMFFf+fpmcCJx83Hugd kHOzFTf1vjfoRyyjuo9wM1LNzQlWa4U9z6+ugi6k43B0eCj1SAf88hViQtWr1usi5SlY PYSg== Received: by 10.216.133.130 with SMTP id q2mr5129859wei.24.1332433685102; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:28:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.59.89.118] (access-49.80.rev.fr.colt.net. [213.41.80.49]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ff2sm10591861wib.9.2012.03.22.09.28.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <042D8150-DB61-43C9-96D1-39A9F355E063@netapp.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:27:54 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <60EED80A-EA6D-4DCF-BB46-2B6358DC8935@cisco.com> <042D8150-DB61-43C9-96D1-39A9F355E063@netapp.com> To: "Eggert, Lars" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: Fred Baker , "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ical agenda suggestion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:28:07 -0000 On Mar 22, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Eggert, Lars wrote: > Hi, >=20 > On Mar 22, 2012, at 11:37, Fred Baker wrote: >>> can we make it so that the ical calendars once can download from = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/83/agenda.html don't have all the = breaks and other things in them as events? At least maybe only as an = option? >>=20 >> The iCal one gives you that option. The calendar I am subscribing to = for this meeting contains exactly one thing I don't really want - the = newcomer's orientation in French. >>=20 >> = http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/83/ics/ietf-83-saag+core+opsawg+IETF+pcp+Welc= ome+v6ops+6man+opsec+tsvwg+Technical+softwire+homenet+ncrg+6renum+grow+New= comers%27+rfcform.ics >=20 > that's the tools.ietf.org ical calendar. There is another ical agenda = available via the datatracker, and that one doesn't. Right, I would like to see that the datatracker and the tools calendars = had the same features. I always use the one at = http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/83/calendar. It allows me to subscribe to = the session I want to go to. Bob >=20 > (I can't remember why I used the datatracker one this time; I used to = use the tools one, too.) >=20 > Lars > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From dhc2@dcrocker.net Thu Mar 22 09:51:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB5421F86DD for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:51:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KnIlZDbA7h51 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D769621F8675 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.8.65] (ATuileries-151-1-25-212.w82-123.abo.wanadoo.fr [82.123.203.212]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2MGp6ps019773 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:51:20 -0700 Message-ID: <4F6B5877.5070502@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:51:03 +0100 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <60EED80A-EA6D-4DCF-BB46-2B6358DC8935@cisco.com> <042D8150-DB61-43C9-96D1-39A9F355E063@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:51:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ical agenda suggestion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:51:22 -0000 On 3/22/2012 5:27 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > I would like to see that the datatracker and the tools calendars had the same features. I thought the datatracker work was supposed to replace the relevant tools work. Rather than 'the same features' shouldn't we be converging or moving to a single instance? d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From bob.hinden@gmail.com Thu Mar 22 09:58:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5951421F85F0 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:58:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.75 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.151, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K3mG7hTjjN31 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com (mail-we0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBD521F8559 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by werb10 with SMTP id b10so2412587wer.31 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:58:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=7UTj804pHb4qiI0eMNwyZyD4BH2K/gMxEVY7113zGZ4=; b=NJWFrGOmXLQ7/VPDmPFe0Mg6S7SvC02V7RHkZIJ3GcZJ8VVTJFCSgUjdFFTU045+mr mFm3kyX35ukUx9TC2h2Fd2HSfvGWI7ibrYoshAZA7mEvi4jV/YOxy9yYx7GyC4ovfjSs H7N/GNyFmtmuDkHCd9YIywuCnaQ6Fg6nnhtVHQKBE9h2iRYc72sSF6mYos9EltxSVV24 Fw4x8Zb4SGmBZ9NdXQM3HD/C49fOnn1jGJ0fgIkEKqP2WEltkDZukMiE5NjwBiN9aSWY vI8f5fzGYrI1FOZ5kVn3qtuqhAmdktGX2g5CDtgRR7uVA5jY+XzJkyYqyzB/ynGGtZpE uqXw== Received: by 10.216.136.13 with SMTP id v13mr5010409wei.32.1332435484097; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.59.89.118] (access-50.80.rev.fr.colt.net. [213.41.80.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gg2sm10919404wib.7.2012.03.22.09.58.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:58:03 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <4F6B5877.5070502@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:58:00 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <60EED80A-EA6D-4DCF-BB46-2B6358DC8935@cisco.com> <042D8150-DB61-43C9-96D1-39A9F355E063@netapp.com> <4F6B5877.5070502@dcrocker.net> To: dcrocker@bbiw.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ical agenda suggestion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:58:06 -0000 On Mar 22, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 3/22/2012 5:27 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: >> I would like to see that the datatracker and the tools calendars had = the same features. >=20 >=20 > I thought the datatracker work was supposed to replace the relevant = tools work. >=20 > Rather than 'the same features' shouldn't we be converging or moving = to a single instance? I was thinking that once they both had the same features, we didn't need = two. However, I could see the tools one staying around a place to beta = test new features. Bob >=20 > d/ > --=20 >=20 > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > _______________________________________________ > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From fred@cisco.com Thu Mar 22 10:13:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C36121F854B for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:13:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.457 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.457 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.142, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z4ZZyLSiwwNv for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D6F21F853E for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:13:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=291; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1332436428; x=1333646028; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vSbnhouY63TRoWD9vOr5rvxKsNj4qS8UvZ6nSV+YAh8=; b=T3Q7J4aj0S8q0cmrPcDir6mLoYf9cJ2FRswE6Z/ckhZDSOsHOmYIyGYD OVZbD4CUG3wgb84FDgKGtjreU8wcPjC5VDNNDs7+WlkoAMOKEpX99kCRo n9uAfWyHkKEoPhdv4z3tILTNuJAYh6JSFrc0iBJqPxy/Lwdz1/me7+A+x Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAIBca0+Q/khN/2dsb2JhbABEtz2BB4IJAQEBAwESASc/BQsLRlcGNYdjBZldnyeQAWMElV+FbYhTgWiCaA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,630,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="69118900" Received: from ams-core-4.cisco.com ([144.254.72.77]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Mar 2012 17:13:47 +0000 Received: from Freds-Computer.local (dhcp-10-55-81-71.cisco.com [10.55.81.71]) by ams-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2MHDjHG009952; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:13:46 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by Freds-Computer.local (PGP Universal service); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:13:47 +0100 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by Freds-Computer.local on Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:13:47 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:13:35 +0100 Message-Id: References: <60EED80A-EA6D-4DCF-BB46-2B6358DC8935@cisco.com> <042D8150-DB61-43C9-96D1-39A9F355E063@netapp.com> <4F6B5877.5070502@dcrocker.net> To: Bob Hinden X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: dcrocker@bbiw.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ical agenda suggestion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:13:49 -0000 On Mar 22, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > I was thinking that once they both had the same features, we didn't = need two. However, I could see the tools one staying around a place to = beta test new features. Sounds like we're not yet ready to ditch the tools version...= From dhc2@dcrocker.net Thu Mar 22 10:15:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9004921F863C for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:15:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7nhhrPwGC7mu for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 183B621F8607 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.8.65] (ter75-1-81-57-68-77.fbx.proxad.net [81.57.68.77]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2MHFWYc020600 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:15:40 -0700 Message-ID: <4F6B5E32.20505@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:15:30 +0100 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Hinden References: <60EED80A-EA6D-4DCF-BB46-2B6358DC8935@cisco.com> <042D8150-DB61-43C9-96D1-39A9F355E063@netapp.com> <4F6B5877.5070502@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ical agenda suggestion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:15:42 -0000 On 3/22/2012 5:58 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > However, I could see the tools one staying around a place to beta test new features. this seems a good way to a) confuse people with which one to use, and b) ensure double the cost for each new feature (once for tools and a second for datatracker.) Forgive me, but this looks like an odd hybrid of hacker and product models. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From dhc2@dcrocker.net Thu Mar 22 10:32:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB8A21F8546 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:32:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U7zSWKQwvGcX for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6118E21F852E for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.8.65] (ter75-1-81-57-68-77.fbx.proxad.net [81.57.68.77]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q2MHVr5w021038 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:32:01 -0700 Message-ID: <4F6B6207.70200@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 18:31:51 +0100 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Baker References: <60EED80A-EA6D-4DCF-BB46-2B6358DC8935@cisco.com> <042D8150-DB61-43C9-96D1-39A9F355E063@netapp.com> <4F6B5877.5070502@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] ical agenda suggestion X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:32:04 -0000 On 3/22/2012 6:13 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > > On Mar 22, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > >> I was thinking that once they both had the same features, we didn't need two. However, I could see the tools one staying around a place to beta test new features. > > Sounds like we're not yet ready to ditch the tools version... perhaps not. but I'm more interested in a plan, going forward, that deals with the relationship between datatracker functions and tools functions, that doesn't waste effort or money and doesn't wind up confusing users. the folks who work on tools are a valuable resource. the cost of the datatracker work is high. we should be judicious with both. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From thomas.morin@orange.com Tue Mar 27 00:26:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E9A21E8082 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2012 00:26:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8HI6mVHlU4Ke for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 There are a large number of IETF mailing lists hosted at gmane. I have found it a much easier interface to interact with rather than the official archive at (http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/opsawg/current/maillist.html). =20 1) Would it be possible to import the existing archive into gmane.org? This requires the 'owner' of mailing list to make the request.=20 http://gmane.org/import.php 2) Would it be possible for gmane.org to subscribe to the mailing list such as to archive the forward discussions in a nicer interface? http://gmane.org/subscribe.php =20 Thanks for any consideration, aa =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CD0CB7.39690070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

There are a = large number of IETF mailing lists hosted at gmane. I have found it a = much easier interface to interact with rather than the official archive = at (http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/opsawg/current/maillist.html).=

 

1)      = Would it be possible to import the existing = archive into gmane.org?
This requires the ‘owner’ of = mailing list to make the request. =
http://gmane.org/import.php

2)      = Would it be possible for gmane.org to subscribe = to the mailing list such as to archive the forward discussions in a = nicer interface?
http://gmane.org/subscribe.php

 

Thanks for any consideration,

aa

 

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CD0CB7.39690070-- From fred@cisco.com Wed Mar 28 10:12:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC39421E825A for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:12:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.534 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.534 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.065, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uNcRu-+kMDZs for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C7421E81F6 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:12:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=636; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1332954753; x=1334164353; h=from:subject:date:message-id:to:mime-version: content-transfer-encoding; bh=GOlt2bL7RiH8siXPWYIls5VbdTF0EKlKFIt1PuPDvRc=; b=Qr10gRrxXAb3LOmIA+rufL+VayRrCMuSsEo9H+uP/BABF9df0R2u97vj mgNuxAK+QpWKAen/zCDVqlKru/sKk6krmkHFfesuQoEj5g9XrIUw6qmVV ChH9KZhVow7fel9mDyNUc+Pcy3s3+59RH/gdMwn9v9YN5WxgibP7XSWBJ 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvwEAPdFc0+Q/khN/2dsb2JhbABCuHWBB4IiASeBfTWHaJ4HgSeXPpAvYwSVYYVviFaBaIJp X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,662,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="69576600" Received: from ams-core-4.cisco.com ([144.254.72.77]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Mar 2012 17:12:29 +0000 Received: from dhcp-5155.meeting.ietf.org (ams3-vpn-dhcp4466.cisco.com [10.61.81.113]) by ams-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2SHCTqR031529 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:12:29 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by dhcp-5155.meeting.ietf.org (PGP Universal service); Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:12:29 +0200 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by dhcp-5155.meeting.ietf.org on Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:12:29 +0200 From: Fred Baker Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:12:18 +0200 Message-Id: <862AC280-9A57-4837-88EC-226DAB559812@cisco.com> To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Tools-discuss] Question on the meeting request manager X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:12:40 -0000 The statement was made this evening that folks look at the blue sheets = to determine actual attendance. When I request a meeting, one of the things the tool is able to do it = fill in whatever I asked for last time, and the number of people in the = room size request. If I'm not mistaken, the number it displays is not = taken from the blue sheet, but from how many I requested last time.=20 What's the chance of getting the actual attendance instead of how many I = estimated? I might choose to increase it by 10% or so to allow for = possible growth, but it would at least insert that much reality into the = number.= From cabo@tzi.org Thu Mar 29 04:01:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2252E21F88E9 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:01:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.049, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16ah3Ch4gMAX for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1442621F882F for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:01:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2TB1W91014607 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:01:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhcp-9069.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-9069.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.8.105]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 798AECF9; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:01:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:01:31 +0200 To: Tools Team Discussion Message-Id: <7B24724C-D3FA-41CA-94A6-E86FE1F7A4B3@tzi.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Subject: [Tools-discuss] Saag is a concluded WG? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:01:42 -0000 Says so on http://tools.ietf.org/wg/saag/agenda, so it must be true :-) JFYI... Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From lars@netapp.com Thu Mar 29 04:49:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF15621F88AD for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:49:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.969 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.969 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.169, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RD9CQKFUg3QL for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.netapp.com (mx2.netapp.com [216.240.18.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 786A321F87B1 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:49:29 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,337,1330934400"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="637144435" Received: from smtp1.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.156.124]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 29 Mar 2012 04:49:16 -0700 Received: from vmwexceht05-prd.hq.netapp.com (vmwexceht05-prd.hq.netapp.com [10.106.77.35]) by smtp1.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id q2TBnFSK012815 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SACEXCMBX04-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.6.168]) by vmwexceht05-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.35]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 04:48:24 -0700 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: adding the IRTF RGs to the left-hand menu of the datatracker Thread-Index: AQHNDaHz7wk+9UbXTEq19ImSsgZUHQ== Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:49:09 +0000 Message-ID: <9228F835-B2F1-4FEC-A63E-4C114AF5C5D1@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.104.60.116] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BC8258A1-F968-4943-828A-35192E2C19B7"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Tools-discuss] adding the IRTF RGs to the left-hand menu of the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:49:30 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_BC8258A1-F968-4943-828A-35192E2C19B7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, since the datatracker is also used to manage IRTF documents, meetings, = materials, etc. an RG has suggested that the IRTF RGs be added alongside = the IETF WGs in the left-hand menu of the datatracker. 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([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (scss.tcd.ie [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id q-Hji9rkXnZO for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:03:01 +0100 (IST) Received: from [130.129.37.121] (dhcp-2579.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.37.121]) by smtp.scss.tcd.ie (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 27911171C02 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:03:01 +0100 (IST) Message-ID: <4F746B94.6010600@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 15:03:00 +0100 From: Stephen Farrell User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-discuss] etherpad X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:03:04 -0000 In httpbis there was some concern in case too many people joined the etherpad and overloaded it. I guess the other concern is that someone might accidentally delete stuff. It'd be fine if there was a way to get a web page version of the content that's ready only in the same way the jabber logs work. Just one for the wish-list, Cheers, S. From cabo@tzi.org Thu Mar 29 07:32:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCAF221F8665 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 07:32:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.047, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QH5DyxRs2OEj for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 07:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182E221F86D5 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 07:32:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q2TEWM9s029067; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:32:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhcp-9069.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-9069.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.8.105]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AA02AE89; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:32:22 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <4F746B94.6010600@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:32:20 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <96A3FBD0-EF76-4C32-8485-66B5C8BD6296@tzi.org> References: <4F746B94.6010600@cs.tcd.ie> To: Stephen Farrell X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] etherpad X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:32:48 -0000 On Mar 29, 2012, at 16:03, Stephen Farrell wrote: > In httpbis there was some concern in case too many people joined > the etherpad and overloaded it. I guess the other concern is that > someone might accidentally delete stuff. You can always "rewind" Etherpad (history function). Of course, if somebody deletes stuff and then others continue adding = things, you are in a merge job. It may be hard to find such an event in the 5000 revisions or so that = have happened at the end of a WG meeting. (In CoRE, it was revision 5502 :-) Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten