From mnot@mnot.net Fri Jan 3 01:09:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA62C1ADF5B for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 01:09:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.003 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F-B9IkScJ7kd for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 01:09:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxout-07.mxes.net (mxout-07.mxes.net [216.86.168.182]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDBE31ADF59 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 01:08:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mnot-air.mnot.net (unknown [118.209.23.58]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7C4F422E200 for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 04:08:45 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Nottingham Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1322D69E-891E-4160-8424-4B44C7E8B634@mnot.net> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:08:41 +1100 To: Tools discussion Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Subject: [Tools-discuss] IETF 88 proceedings X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 09:09:02 -0000 https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/88/materials.html says: > You should be able to access the final version of IETF 88 Proceedings = via the IETF Online Proceedings page. Following that link leads to: > =95 IETF 88: Vancouver, BC, Canada, November 3-8, 2013 Following *that* link leads back to the first page. Where are the proceedings? Thanks, -- Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ From amorris@amsl.com Fri Jan 3 09:21:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18BB61ADFFA for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 09:21:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.439 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MxBngvOr2z8d for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 09:21:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951761ADFEC for ; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 09:21:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c9a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD33A619C; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 09:20:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c9a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c9a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i-5d6yFt_jG8; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 09:20:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.16] (c-69-181-252-118.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [69.181.252.118]) by c9a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8179CA6180; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 09:20:20 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Alexa Morris In-Reply-To: <1322D69E-891E-4160-8424-4B44C7E8B634@mnot.net> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 09:21:37 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6DC2020D-8F12-4B23-8540-E9F7F7B036D4@amsl.com> References: <1322D69E-891E-4160-8424-4B44C7E8B634@mnot.net> To: Mark Nottingham X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: Tools discussion Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] IETF 88 proceedings X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 17:21:50 -0000 Mark, Something is clearly awry, I'll look into this and get back to you. Alexa On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:08 AM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/88/materials.html says: >=20 >> You should be able to access the final version of IETF 88 Proceedings = via the IETF Online Proceedings page. >=20 > Following that link leads to: >=20 >> =95 IETF 88: Vancouver, BC, Canada, November 3-8, 2013 >=20 > Following *that* link leads back to the first page. >=20 > Where are the proceedings? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 >=20 > -- > Mark Nottingham http://www.mnot.net/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss >=20 > Please reports datatracker.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb > Please reports tools.ietf.org bugs at = http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org >=20 ---------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com From lars@netapp.com Thu Jan 16 23:33:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11EA1ADFA5 for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 23:33:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.44 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.44 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5XMD35wrIrZl for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 23:33:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx12.netapp.com (mx12.netapp.com [216.240.18.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF55F1ADEBB for ; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 23:33:44 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,670,1384329600"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="137491536" Received: from vmwexceht01-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.239]) by mx12-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2014 23:33:32 -0800 Received: from SACEXCMBX06-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.9.60]) by vmwexceht01-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.239]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Thu, 16 Jan 2014 23:33:32 -0800 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: " Discussion" Thread-Topic: meeting request "Special Requests" limit Thread-Index: AQHPE1ZrM6gWQeRlbEGCqyj+num/wQ== Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 07:33:30 +0000 Message-ID: <39521736-DC6C-44F8-B885-CA25D8263177@netapp.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.104.60.115] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_08621839-1479-4B40-B482-FC38F3E6D261"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Tools-discuss] meeting request "Special Requests" limit X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 07:33:46 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_08621839-1479-4B40-B482-FC38F3E6D261 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, the "Special Requests" field of the meeting request is limited to 200 = characters. This is too short in practice. Can we increase this to = something more reasonable, like 1-2000? Lars --Apple-Mail=_08621839-1479-4B40-B482-FC38F3E6D261 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCUAwUBUtjczNZcnpRveo1xAQLuxQP3YpM7HWsjWwQG8QKdiFVyp8tc0O0U52CU gfASBLzxO0bh/Sfw4VqP8MbD8kE/34acVS59c81UOE/U1fRjN8LRzmScrs0RDvIG 1eD+n1Hmu0IneDC1D8VwFHvX+cXWsl5B5rjXrEpp/lPTD/ZuDXljRo9B3F1XPxkY 9mqsGewB3w== =+JMc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_08621839-1479-4B40-B482-FC38F3E6D261-- From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Jan 17 04:17:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057961ADFFD for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 04:17:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oaMzT4IM9Wql for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 04:16:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE601AE085 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 04:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:6d94:609d:5e22:8cf1] (port=57280 helo=tannat.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W48Lp-0003on-R7; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:16:42 +0100 Message-ID: <52D91F29.9060407@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:16:41 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Eggert, Lars" , " Discussion" References: <39521736-DC6C-44F8-B885-CA25D8263177@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: <39521736-DC6C-44F8-B885-CA25D8263177@netapp.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4m9gUodJSwCrOBBhboNAvCvhJ2V1wJ6eW" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:6d94:609d:5e22:8cf1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: lars@netapp.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meeting request "Special Requests" limit X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 12:17:01 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --4m9gUodJSwCrOBBhboNAvCvhJ2V1wJ6eW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2014-01-17 08:33 Eggert, Lars said: > Hi, >=20 > the "Special Requests" field of the meeting request is limited to 200 > characters. This is too short in practice. Can we increase this to > something more reasonable, like 1-2000? Hmm. The database schema has this as a text field (no explicit length limitation) rather than a length limited character field. I'll see if there is a limitation enforced elsewhere. Henrik --4m9gUodJSwCrOBBhboNAvCvhJ2V1wJ6eW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJS2R8pAAoJEE6bV0uPuxcaOE4P/RnayRzDAx4bnuZBcdwQiQ8r /kcqwkKZ/jwWXhN6SgxT6bHWxEG1wH2NuXUxgWhCo5/yW/vQ1z9xD2LlYndNg5/Z tRU7VDk2RqdXRE1EyvX6PMkBch2rZmjoVi0/gp7YCTk+bFEFg+WDGhIpwkJtehuV eSO45RF9HumgVqhYvYRF8qXz8i9/jVLG6NNQX04BbabE2z9ZCUPR7oPFHKA23+PS JDTzGFF+STNAHV30Ag75MhnIF3Wu7OFLQbuYxbpWhC6Td/Xlhu3vHqlODHNs8Xqj ikfJiw8HeartFiYpSZ7POhGI1xWZUT+EfhpFuBh+l8qRIt8l77xV65ZMInNFRa85 QhYVy8DVtJcKA7zkjBHWer+KqZu+7JqNgzzTpeo08KqNyDKT0EZAm8BPt+m9Pyfy RQ+Hvm0JEPt+S0s9oVMpqHmMm+f1Sac0p1FLI6gXbSMYKv4YlrwTC9U5ZicHSU8w Wp4f8ViinPTp/e51aT3w14AlkQ60e0B2o+S+AQ+kFTwmEemiPs6LEDANUzi/8cBb EbQRM3vHGX50h0for9C8qFqfhvb4PAX1hjjkaCiBkJJQz8CPOhF6Cq9XZAmJwahe j+J6gT+7K3dRyMFfVoDsH60f6OrQdPQO/q0RhASbIqs79Jzz4swytuKk0zFNkJjr ncD/+kzc2So1aZQSJn/O =AaEl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4m9gUodJSwCrOBBhboNAvCvhJ2V1wJ6eW-- From cabo@tzi.org Fri Jan 17 04:25:45 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1341AE08E for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 04:25:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8cUDKAj5GRBM for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 04:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5128C1AE08D for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 04:25:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s0HCPTTP020346; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:25:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (reingewinn.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.218.123]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5E159FC2; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:25:29 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <39521736-DC6C-44F8-B885-CA25D8263177@netapp.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:25:25 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <39521736-DC6C-44F8-B885-CA25D8263177@netapp.com> To: "Eggert, Lars" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meeting request "Special Requests" limit X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 12:25:46 -0000 On 17 Jan 2014, at 08:33, Eggert, Lars wrote: > This is too short in practice. Understatement of the week. I was tempted to put in a URL to a separate page with the special = requests :-) Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Jan 17 04:30:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5EBB1AE097 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 04:30:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YfBqmBhfBj1n for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 04:30:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FB81ADFF2 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 04:30:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:6d94:609d:5e22:8cf1] (port=57706 helo=tannat.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W48ZL-0002ZE-KK; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:30:40 +0100 Message-ID: <52D9226F.9050608@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:30:39 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann , "Eggert, Lars" References: <39521736-DC6C-44F8-B885-CA25D8263177@netapp.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:6d94:609d:5e22:8cf1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: cabo@tzi.org, lars@netapp.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, rcross@amsl.com, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meeting request "Special Requests" limit X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 12:30:57 -0000 On 2014-01-17 13:25 Carsten Bormann said: > On 17 Jan 2014, at 08:33, Eggert, Lars wrote: > >> This is too short in practice. > > Understatement of the week. > I was tempted to put in a URL to a separate page with the special requests :-) I've now changed the limitation in the form from 200 to 2000. Before removing the limitation completely, matching the unlimited size permitted by the database schema, I'd like to hear from the secretariat if there's any particular reason for this difference between the form and the database schema. Best regards, Henrik From mcr@sandelman.ca Fri Jan 17 08:11:15 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4001AE028 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:11:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.009 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0d08G00MH1Xn for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0391ADFA9 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C02320096; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 12:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 03F4964647; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 11:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0DE463AAE; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 11:10:59 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: "Eggert, Lars" In-Reply-To: <39521736-DC6C-44F8-B885-CA25D8263177@netapp.com> References: <39521736-DC6C-44F8-B885-CA25D8263177@netapp.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3-dev; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meeting request "Special Requests" limit X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:11:15 -0000 Eggert, Lars wrote: > the "Special Requests" field of the meeting request is limited to 200 > characters. This is too short in practice. Can we increase this to > something more reasonable, like 1-2000? I'm curious what kind of thing you would request in ~1000 characters? From rcross@amsl.com Fri Jan 17 08:12:46 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C0E1AE14F for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:12:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.439 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UlXdsFaixq_s for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [64.170.98.21]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0651ADFA9 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:12:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c9a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B43A7396; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:10:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c9a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c9a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fc_FcpNgb0cm; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:10:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.0.6] (c-71-227-152-15.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [71.227.152.15]) by c9a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B76AFA7394; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:10:12 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Cross In-Reply-To: <52D9226F.9050608@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:12:30 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9159E4CF-D731-4DC8-8EDF-2F3E31DD9313@amsl.com> References: <39521736-DC6C-44F8-B885-CA25D8263177@netapp.com> <52D9226F.9050608@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: Carsten Bormann , " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meeting request "Special Requests" limit X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:12:46 -0000 Generally speaking, when the legacy tools were converted I kept the same = field limitations. I'll check with the staff to see if there is any reason not to increase = the field limit. Thanks, Ryan On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:30 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >=20 > On 2014-01-17 13:25 Carsten Bormann said: >> On 17 Jan 2014, at 08:33, Eggert, Lars wrote: >>=20 >>> This is too short in practice. >>=20 >> Understatement of the week. >> I was tempted to put in a URL to a separate page with the special = requests :-) >=20 > I've now changed the limitation in the form from 200 to 2000. Before = removing > the limitation completely, matching the unlimited size permitted by = the database > schema, I'd like to hear from the secretariat if there's any = particular reason > for this difference between the form and the database schema. >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Henrik From adam@nostrum.com Fri Jan 17 08:50:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919181AE12F for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:50:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.035 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.035 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2pSvnf4qeaLW for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:50:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from shaman.nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72A61AE11E for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:50:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from orochi-2.roach.at (99-152-145-110.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.145.110]) (authenticated bits=0) by shaman.nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id s0HGoLUs061066 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 17 Jan 2014 10:50:21 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <52D95F47.3020902@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 10:50:15 -0600 From: Adam Roach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Richardson , "Eggert, Lars" References: <39521736-DC6C-44F8-B885-CA25D8263177@netapp.com> <915.1389975059@sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: <915.1389975059@sandelman.ca> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050203000402070208020807" Received-SPF: pass (shaman.nostrum.com: 99.152.145.110 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meeting request "Special Requests" limit X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 16:50:40 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050203000402070208020807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 1/17/14 10:10, Michael Richardson wrote: > Eggert, Lars wrote: > > the "Special Requests" field of the meeting request is limited to 200 > > characters. This is too short in practice. Can we increase this to > > something more reasonable, like 1-2000? > > I'm curious what kind of thing you would request in ~1000 characters? > Agreed -- I would think that anything so complicated that it takes 1000-2000 characters to express has only a vanishingly small chance of being honored during scheduling. I've looked through these requests for many of the past several meetings, and they can generally boil down to one of the following: 1. I'd like to have Meetecho (this should be a checkbox) 2. I need a WebEx bridge (this should be a checkbox) 3. I don't want to meet on Friday (by my analysis, literally 20% to 30% of all meeting requests include this or something that functionally resolves to it in their request. IMHO, this should be ignored -- perhaps a checkbox that doesn't get stored in the database :-) ) 4. I need a specific bit of specialized audio/video equipment (these should be fairly short) 5. We need to avoid the XYXXY BOF also (this should probably be its own field, something like "BoFs to avoid"). 6. Specific requests relative to other WG schedules (e.g., "We need to meet after FOO does" or "we can share a timeslot with BAR") -- the second thing happens frequently enough that it might be worth adding it to our data model and formalizing the means of requesting it. The first thing can be expressed in approximately 20 characters (e.g., "Meet before SIPCORE"). 7. I don't want to meet at the same time as {anything in RAI, other area meetings, etc} or other relatively esoteric things that add conflicts for just one of the two requested sessions. Both of these will interact spectacularly poorly with the automated scheduling assistance that is under development. The first problem -- that chairs feel compelled to play 20-questions rather than naming specific groups -- is probably an indication that the "conflicts" selection UI could use some ease-of-use improvements. The second problem is probably one of education, where we need to explain that using the field to impose more complex constraints with the impression that they're making scheduling easier probably has the opposite effect. /a --------------050203000402070208020807 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
On 1/17/14 10:10, Michael Richardson wrote:
Eggert, Lars <lars@netapp.com> wrote:
    > the "Special Requests" field of the meeting request is limited to 200
    > characters. This is too short in practice. Can we increase this to
    > something more reasonable, like 1-2000?

I'm curious what kind of thing you would request in ~1000 characters?
Agreed -- I would think that anything so complicated that it takes 1000-2000 characters to express has only a vanishingly small chance of being honored during scheduling. I've looked through these requests for many of the past several meetings, and they can generally boil down to one of the following:

  1. I'd like to have Meetecho (this should be a checkbox)

  2. I need a WebEx bridge (this should be a checkbox)

  3. I don't want to meet on Friday (by my analysis, literally 20% to 30% of all meeting requests include this or something that functionally resolves to it in their request. IMHO, this should be ignored -- perhaps a checkbox that doesn't get stored in the database :-) )

  4. I need a specific bit of specialized audio/video equipment (these should be fairly short)

  5. We need to avoid the XYXXY BOF also (this should probably be its own field, something like "BoFs to avoid").

  6. Specific requests relative to other WG schedules (e.g., "We need to meet after FOO does" or "we can share a timeslot with BAR") -- the second thing happens frequently enough that it might be worth adding it to our data model and formalizing the means of requesting it. The first thing can be expressed in approximately 20 characters (e.g., "Meet before SIPCORE").

  7. I don't want to meet at the same time as {anything in RAI, other area meetings, etc} or other relatively esoteric things that add conflicts for just one of the two requested sessions. Both of these will interact spectacularly poorly with the automated scheduling assistance that is under development. The first problem --  that chairs feel compelled to play 20-questions rather than naming specific groups -- is probably an indication that the "conflicts" selection UI could use some ease-of-use improvements. The second problem is probably one of education, where we need to explain that using the field to impose more complex constraints with the impression that they're making scheduling easier probably has the opposite effect.


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--------------050203000402070208020807-- From lars@netapp.com Fri Jan 17 09:34:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8931AE0DB for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 09:34:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.44 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.44 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.538, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WGzrAjlUmh43 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 09:34:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx11.netapp.com (mx11.netapp.com [216.240.18.76]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A398A1ACC87 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 09:34:52 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,675,1384329600"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="96660092" Received: from vmwexceht04-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.34]) by mx11-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 17 Jan 2014 09:34:40 -0800 Received: from SACEXCMBX06-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.9.60]) by vmwexceht04-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.34]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 09:34:39 -0800 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Michael Richardson Thread-Topic: [Tools-discuss] meeting request "Special Requests" limit Thread-Index: AQHPE1ZrM6gWQeRlbEGCqyj+num/wZqJnNqAgAAXXwA= Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 17:34:38 +0000 Message-ID: <75506640-9711-481B-937B-152933A9692F@netapp.com> References: <39521736-DC6C-44F8-B885-CA25D8263177@netapp.com> <915.1389975059@sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: <915.1389975059@sandelman.ca> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.104.60.114] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A0569867-A899-4A80-9D0D-901D18AB74D0"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meeting request "Special Requests" limit X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 17:34:57 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A0569867-A899-4A80-9D0D-901D18AB74D0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2014-1-17, at 17:10, Michael Richardson wrote: > I'm curious what kind of thing you would request in ~1000 characters? "I need at least 2.5 hours, but if possible 3-3.5 hours in two or even = three sessions would be better, especially if the slots can be scheduled = back-to-back. Please try to avoid all other IRTF meetings and area = meetings. Schedule as early as possible in the week but not Monday. = Please ask MeetEcho to cover the meeting." That's more than 300 characters. I asked for 1-2K just to have some = slack. Bytes are cheap. Lars --Apple-Mail=_A0569867-A899-4A80-9D0D-901D18AB74D0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBUtlprtZcnpRveo1xAQJ2jAP+MDe0LrB2RAGkzXUfCW8kyp/dnGkFrVwc I1hzbA76q8447xrjA4lT0NCoUxiobTgBK0WuRioDaJa6clHbjRVXlc+d8Mc8W4hm vTixYJYzmN4bwgyoEM0RcAhCjutDlbyKvbfnv/+/p0q+VT2mNpwkV/HJBlUBs864 qLneqViZWe8= =toKW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_A0569867-A899-4A80-9D0D-901D18AB74D0-- From mcr@sandelman.ca Fri Jan 17 10:36:00 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A191AD73F for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 10:36:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.009 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9z6lCXXU4mSs for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 10:35:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A501ADF4B for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 10:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (desk.marajade.sandelman.ca [209.87.252.247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F57F20036; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 14:51:35 -0500 (EST) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 771C164647; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:35:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628FC63B88; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:35:41 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Adam Roach In-Reply-To: <52D95F47.3020902@nostrum.com> References: <39521736-DC6C-44F8-B885-CA25D8263177@netapp.com> <915.1389975059@sandelman.ca> <52D95F47.3020902@nostrum.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3-dev; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meeting request "Special Requests" limit X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:36:00 -0000 Adam Roach wrote: > 1. I'd like to have Meetecho (this should be a checkbox) code went in to do exactly that this week. > 5. We need to avoid the XYXXY BOF also (this should probably be its own > field, > something like "BoFs to avoid"). The problem is that the list (the actual names) of BOFs is not known at the session request. It would be easy to list as a regular conflict, if only the list of acronyms was known earlier. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Jan 17 13:58:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D701AD34C for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:58:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yG_PGUYX_bcn for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BACB1ACCF8 for ; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43748 helo=vigonier.tools.ietf.org ident=henrik) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W4HQw-0002wq-9h; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 22:58:34 +0100 Message-ID: <52D9A789.1030409@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 22:58:33 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Cross References: <39521736-DC6C-44F8-B885-CA25D8263177@netapp.com> <52D9226F.9050608@levkowetz.com> <9159E4CF-D731-4DC8-8EDF-2F3E31DD9313@amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <9159E4CF-D731-4DC8-8EDF-2F3E31DD9313@amsl.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rcross@amsl.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on grenache.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meeting request "Special Requests" limit X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 21:58:51 -0000 On 2014-01-17 17:12 Ryan Cross said the following: > Generally speaking, when the legacy tools were converted I kept the same field limitations. > I'll check with the staff to see if there is any reason not to increase the field limit. Thanks, Ryan. Looking forward to hear the result and close the issue. Best regards, Henrik > Thanks, > Ryan > > On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:30 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> >> On 2014-01-17 13:25 Carsten Bormann said: >>> On 17 Jan 2014, at 08:33, Eggert, Lars wrote: >>> >>>> This is too short in practice. >>> >>> Understatement of the week. >>> I was tempted to put in a URL to a separate page with the special requests :-) >> >> I've now changed the limitation in the form from 200 to 2000. Before removing >> the limitation completely, matching the unlimited size permitted by the database >> schema, I'd like to hear from the secretariat if there's any particular reason >> for this difference between the form and the database schema. >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Henrik > From lars@netapp.com Mon Jan 20 02:52:43 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5245E1A010D for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 02:52:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.737 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.737 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.535, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CgmtrXMN-obu for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 02:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx12.netapp.com (mx12.netapp.com [216.240.18.77]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205A91A00EB for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 02:52:37 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.95,689,1384329600"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="137969716" Received: from vmwexceht04-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.34]) by mx12-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2014 02:52:37 -0800 Received: from SACEXCMBX06-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.9.60]) by vmwexceht04-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.77.34]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 02:52:37 -0800 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: " Discussion" Thread-Topic: latest missing replaced-by information Thread-Index: AQHO22HqGGUnzG1NpU2KsFKCyeoH7ZqOassA Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:52:36 +0000 Message-ID: References: <527AAD30.2040609@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.106.53.51] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AB37DB43-53B0-4247-AE9C-4A180104E46F"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Robert Sparks Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] latest missing replaced-by information X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:52:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_AB37DB43-53B0-4247-AE9C-4A180104E46F Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, > On 06 Nov 2013, at 12:57, Robert Sparks wrote: >> I wanted to call particular attention to a new feature you have - you = can now edit >> the Replaces relationships for your working group documents directly = instead >> of asking the secretariat to do so for you. Look for the Replaces: = row near the top >> of each document's main page. I just tried that, to mark = draft-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-and-goals as replaced by = draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions (since the submitted = forgot the "irtf" tag and asked me to do that replacement), but when I = fill out the form and save, the change does not take effect. Lars --Apple-Mail=_AB37DB43-53B0-4247-AE9C-4A180104E46F Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQCVAwUBUtz/8tZcnpRveo1xAQL9IgQApQ5ofWtPDMqq2UQXtKg1Eqdp0MlhjniB ogC2cCVXBx8oYN4oGjzQpKx17KoiO2wQHUkFtWC4YJ9ycMqt1afvD4Rv+rl+IZXG piaJahDAeyrosznu06QR8R/ZX5Z3CwtgIBMxED1ixgyYy3ZtoGe0GrRuCs5Qr2Vd H5jW/fM7wz8= =yg2o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_AB37DB43-53B0-4247-AE9C-4A180104E46F-- From rcross@amsl.com Wed Jan 22 11:06:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696F01A019A for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:06:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.436 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.436 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.535, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lTIL8MQha3yD for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [64.170.98.21]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B8F31A018B for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c9a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57CEA61B4; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:06:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c9a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c9a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uyMQk41V8-wJ; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:06:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.0.6] (c-71-227-152-15.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [71.227.152.15]) by c9a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6CF659FB4E; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:06:37 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Cross In-Reply-To: <52D9A789.1030409@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:06:54 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3121558A-757F-4520-9E16-224E1A9D3516@amsl.com> References: <39521736-DC6C-44F8-B885-CA25D8263177@netapp.com> <52D9226F.9050608@levkowetz.com> <9159E4CF-D731-4DC8-8EDF-2F3E31DD9313@amsl.com> <52D9A789.1030409@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: " Discussion" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] meeting request "Special Requests" limit X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 19:06:57 -0000 There are no objections from the Secretariat staff to increasing the = size of this field. -Ryan On Jan 17, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 2014-01-17 17:12 Ryan Cross said the following: >> Generally speaking, when the legacy tools were converted I kept the = same field limitations. >> I'll check with the staff to see if there is any reason not to = increase the field limit. >=20 > Thanks, Ryan. Looking forward to hear the result and close the issue. >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Henrik >=20 >> Thanks, >> Ryan >>=20 >> On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:30 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 2014-01-17 13:25 Carsten Bormann said: >>>> On 17 Jan 2014, at 08:33, Eggert, Lars wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> This is too short in practice. >>>>=20 >>>> Understatement of the week. >>>> I was tempted to put in a URL to a separate page with the special = requests :-) >>>=20 >>> I've now changed the limitation in the form from 200 to 2000. = Before removing >>> the limitation completely, matching the unlimited size permitted by = the database >>> schema, I'd like to hear from the secretariat if there's any = particular reason >>> for this difference between the form and the database schema. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Best regards, >>>=20 >>> Henrik >>=20 From giles@thaumas.net Mon Jan 20 16:13:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C364A1A027B for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:13:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3rxihg9AUTOG for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pb0-f48.google.com (mail-pb0-f48.google.com [209.85.160.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579221A0273 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id rr13so7579454pbb.7 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:13:57 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2+rV0iy5Ki1c3Ut+jn3yPpb4bN8q3bM3VK8ZY/qXHfk=; b=haSgx9CPZirINtMNGf/ByrjwWNY3ZhjMxudp/0dtTueUMbBYwf5KnkQj/ObLhnEg4D JSfxx6qKQvlUJ6P4BkWfr48zwYrIp8ihoK0Ytn4/7fCwkFBryu5l9BYQ1aOkICGgDiAF HpVc5V5ccrf8VjnZIoTgZK3b9EdmRbO/NUnkXZpzMGUBldT2Ofv1yVax9EWLpiAOBk+m tM+F/p3KLX5nFhalkZwzcVYoYg+RcaoSGkGr7Q9lIw2nvwZm8NFEV4n+HqKuwqFqCqqH MArrzVWALzREQ7NszJUiRRHe0lgLgtdR8SixbAaHO83mx8zAVyefLsYyvoO29qsQGd/g NTog== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnH4RRSSUBqzTfmVYtSkvGWh2q3sa34R2qG0n7L0fL27hienh4bWZKi6QiidmCgkYprYKKj X-Received: by 10.66.146.229 with SMTP id tf5mr21673442pab.50.1390263237351; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from tamias.local (static-68-179-67-77.ptr.terago.net. [68.179.67.77]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pq1sm6667545pbc.8.2014.01.20.16.13.56 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:13:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52DDBBC2.9000503@thaumas.net> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:13:54 -0800 From: Ralph Giles User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 03:57:21 -0800 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Rfcmarkup-1.106 feedback (Trust Legal Provisions hyperlinks) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 00:13:58 -0000 Hi there. The copyright section of recent drafts often includes a reference to 'Section N.a of the Legal Trust Provisions' for code licensing, from the trust200902 boilerplate. The current (r106) version of rfcmarkup mistakes this for a local section reference, resulting in html like: in Section 4.e of Instead it should generate: in Section 4.e of Unfortunately this document doesn't have anchors. Perhaps it would actually be better just to hyperlink 'Legal Trust Provisions' and leave the section reference alone. It would be nice if this could be added to the regex forest. Cheers, -r From patrik@frobbit.se Fri Jan 24 01:35:07 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC441A0238 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 01:35:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.113 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.113 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.535, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6oEhPVfgSyUP for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 01:35:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.frobbit.se (mail.frobbit.se [IPv6:2a02:80:3ffe::176]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945271A0233 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 01:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2a02:80:3ffc::12] (unknown [IPv6:2a02:80:3ffc::12]) by mail.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F01312288D for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:34:59 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <55B06BE0-D7D5-42A9-8C92-505941231069@frobbit.se> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:34:59 +0100 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.1 \(1827\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1827) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 03:57:21 -0800 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Calendar for future IETF meetings X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 09:35:07 -0000 Question about possible feature request: Is it the case that one could "invent" a URL already now for the = calendar feed for the calendar for the upcoming meeting? I.e. in the URL there is no mentioning at all of at what time a certain = wg or bof is meeting, but instead the name of the bof, wg etc. Because = of this, one should be able to "construct" the URL long before the = meeting, and have the calendar automagically be populated at the time = when one of the named wg, bof etc is scheduled. Right? Patrik From henrik@levkowetz.com Fri Jan 24 05:39:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412331A035F for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 05:39:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TsQJHfSQE4Jc for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 05:39:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B97091A034B for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 05:39:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:8d7f:86bb:1432:1a73] (port=49763 helo=tannat.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W6gz7-0007EX-Sk; Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:39:50 +0100 Message-ID: <52E26D25.50105@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:39:49 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ralph Giles , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: <52DDBBC2.9000503@thaumas.net> In-Reply-To: <52DDBBC2.9000503@thaumas.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:8d7f:86bb:1432:1a73 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: giles@thaumas.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Rfcmarkup-1.106 feedback (Trust Legal Provisions hyperlinks) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 13:39:57 -0000 Hi Ralph, On 2014-01-21 01:13 Ralph Giles said: > Hi there. > > The copyright section of recent drafts often includes a reference to > 'Section N.a of the Legal Trust Provisions' for code licensing, from the > trust200902 boilerplate. > > The current (r106) version of rfcmarkup mistakes this for a local > section reference, resulting in html like: > > in Section 4.e of > > Instead it should generate: > > in href="https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info/IETF-TLP-4.htm">Section > 4.e of Yes. Good point. Very much a special case though, which of course hurts. > Unfortunately this document doesn't have anchors. Perhaps it would > actually be better just to hyperlink 'Legal Trust Provisions' and leave > the section reference alone. Yes. > It would be nice if this could be added to the regex forest. Ugh. I'll do so. Thanks for pointing this out, though :-) Best regards, Henrik From martin.thomson@gmail.com Mon Jan 27 14:56:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6743A1A03C8 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:56:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5qvOw0dmriqa for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:56:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x22c.google.com (mail-wg0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22c]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C7E1A03A5 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:55:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id l18so6342658wgh.23 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:55:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=u1L7AilKuhi3LD1AWaOnOz6SDz8pxo6jn2Nv0CkyG8E=; b=pBKgwblPiIXYE+cQ/Uv5oyKj0MBhe4m5KH8a2ljUMOJhhtJo0tKGmjBHUSPvj1JzfJ wZyaYm9uOt0zK56IjZHceUKGoZfyCyyGVH2f3+4cCGa4ICLkq4PhTiTWRbutFPmpt4lQ WLxHtbONuyASa053VT7B1NYkzsDJvIEBO6rVqtGQzqYhzMSXcGf1s5jueV8GPu96poRA hH4dIzDZKSdN6Pc69LwLZMY4KdAsEKVnxk1ZSgl/w88OS9fhNPwJ1Db5MmqRAcspxsGF 4IWkKBPLiQoX1o+L1bp2XUa9xRTgfNEMgBC5qzpWPHk+NJLydM33dBuJ+x/iNpe00kj0 29yw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.12.65 with SMTP id w1mr12843594wib.58.1390863357073; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:55:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.145.131 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:55:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:55:57 -0800 Message-ID: From: Martin Thomson To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: [Tools-discuss] False positives on previous authors check? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:56:01 -0000 I just got this message on draft submission: """ The submission is pending approval by the authors of the previous version. An email has been sent to: "Martin Thomson" Please note that since the database does not have your email address in the list of authors of previous revisions of the document, you are not receiving a confirmation email yourself; one of the addressees above will have to send a confirmation in order to complete the submission. This is done to avoid document hijacking. If none of the known previous authors will be able to confirm the submission, please contact the Secretariat for action. """ Strange, since that was the email address I selected. BTW, it would be nice if, for a single document author, it wasn't necessary to hit the button that selects the author. (Yeah, yeah, next code sprint, maybe) From martin.thomson@gmail.com Mon Jan 27 14:59:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBAF11A03D3 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:59:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3sp7GZ8tNozC for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:59:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x22e.google.com (mail-wg0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F971A03A5 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:59:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id x12so6359594wgg.25 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:59:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+f/XJYvNzBAJHy+jT0S3vVm528XpI1/shPYwqcz/VFc=; b=kyTQfGpdVd13weQoHA6FI1F53xi3Gd1mwRVG+YoCFD92sFTZjbApEZp/P6zw1h+tex oRJf5dUGwRHWfBxMH4Fe6aOIXyG2vampU1mtdFuqLFzSpNu53VhUEtd/DxuetXqc0aaO N7z6bNMz5/ImPaX4/r0FKxf93Weh9DQq/bKRv9PRJKQ1wggM4p7ZPlZkTv0RDfjKtotn ljzWIa9rsKAEWLJEZAQCNyiVKtbw/nRMTiSAHQG87CuAnEeliD+fef+GnJnAM+IsPpIO zeMtxEWBmYiL6OtXl36RNbcc9cR1l1EMR5qb9Xa9VvFxxhp3EJmNttvi2u0vwdMaOB8d fTyg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.74.200 with SMTP id w8mr13522937wiv.58.1390863593583; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:59:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.145.131 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:59:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:59:53 -0800 Message-ID: From: Martin Thomson To: "tools-discuss@ietf.org Discussion" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: [Tools-discuss] Whitespace on datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:59:58 -0000 Sometimes whitespace is important, but the datatracker draft display seems to eagerly remove it. That's not ideal. See the difference between: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-thomson-perpass-statement/ and the version on tools.ietf.org, which matches the original: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thomson-perpass-statement-01 (Just testing the limits of the tools today.) From rjsparks@nostrum.com Mon Jan 27 15:10:01 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AED1A03F5 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:10:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.036 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.036 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zMTl8q2paBUN for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:09:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from shaman.nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DE81A03E9 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:09:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-173-71-10-88.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.71.10.88]) (authenticated bits=0) by shaman.nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id s0RN9uoS080691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:09:56 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <52E6E744.5030606@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:09:56 -0600 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (shaman.nostrum.com: 173.71.10.88 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] False positives on previous authors check? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 23:10:01 -0000 Yes, Magnus also found this bug a few days ago. It's being tracked here: It would be a good sprint project RjS On 1/27/14, 4:55 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: > I just got this message on draft submission: > > """ > The submission is pending approval by the authors of the previous > version. An email has been sent to: "Martin Thomson" > > > Please note that since the database does not have your email address > in the list of authors of previous revisions of the document, you are > not receiving a confirmation email yourself; one of the addressees > above will have to send a confirmation in order to complete the > submission. This is done to avoid document hijacking. If none of the > known previous authors will be able to confirm the submission, please > contact the Secretariat for action. > """ > > Strange, since that was the email address I selected. > > BTW, it would be nice if, for a single document author, it wasn't > necessary to hit the button that selects the author. (Yeah, yeah, > next code sprint, maybe) From olau@iola.dk Tue Jan 28 03:28:27 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B481B1A01EF for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 03:28:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6JOp0NOEAhxW for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 03:28:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ve0-f173.google.com (mail-ve0-f173.google.com [209.85.128.173]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08EF01A01EC for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 03:28:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ve0-f173.google.com with SMTP id oz11so152540veb.4 for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 03:28:23 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=7r2ZKhpzU3xSCqnXYDtPFx38y5tguX+kI+pxNzE5qJo=; b=LlfXT5Ch1fkPoddwnyv1fQjCJ6adKou1Lruca72osJaSzr5uBKUAgbhpCc9cWYX3Op 99+bJYntPHbsuY+HsPqjuslcbr4wEVmzYXjGu2jbdbzFWYlD2fg6L4tRj5Ue10EsTDYF Uif4Sgo/5vDBPp4cYF6QFs3D9iywy1rCUZKanuxhFF4wC6xazVwXj/k1vH6/xUCJUrYC 3HfePYsPmvWIMN92eD/qEFW2vUw6LJlbPvK726jZ8Mi7fIANuWrb3UBVp0YorR3jXlTW cHl96eeNTAhNtPpQZDAw4yMpYmBDAG7wjcEJktpOMkXiU3PysuTUtR8dA/72JB2B8HS1 n8Dg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn4HxuM+cCZY9O+JpxhwpLObA9ZC+uKHetNuIcT0wRahfI5AaVjJs0KSJk+yM/i/zUyB3BB X-Received: by 10.52.113.97 with SMTP id ix1mr508021vdb.9.1390908503182; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 03:28:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.59.8.231 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 03:28:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <52E6E744.5030606@nostrum.com> References: <52E6E744.5030606@nostrum.com> From: Ole Laursen Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:28:03 +0100 Message-ID: To: Tools Team Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] False positives on previous authors check? X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:28:27 -0000 2014-01-28 Robert Sparks : > Yes, Magnus also found this bug a few days ago. > It's being tracked here: > Sorry, that was my fault. I fixed it now, but it will probably take some days to reach the live server. You can safely ignore the warning in the mean time, it's just a bug in the presentation code. 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Violators will be prosecuted; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:15:15 -0700 Received: from b01cxnp22036.gho.pok.ibm.com (b01cxnp22036.gho.pok.ibm.com [9.57.198.26]) by d01dlp03.pok.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50623C9003E for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:15:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from d01av05.pok.ibm.com (d01av05.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.195]) by b01cxnp22036.gho.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id s0TGFEUH2359592 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:15:14 GMT Received: from d01av05.pok.ibm.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by d01av05.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id s0TGFEal006055 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:15:14 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (sig-9-65-3-183.mts.ibm.com [9.65.3.183]) by d01av05.pok.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/NCO v10.0 AVin) with ESMTP id s0TGFBoJ005951 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:15:14 -0500 Received: from cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com.us.ibm.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cichlid.raleigh.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.12.5) with ESMTP id s0TGFAhJ007124; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:15:11 -0500 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 11:15:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: Thomas Narten To: tools-discuss@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI-EPG/1.14.7 (Harue) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.8 EasyPG/1.0.0 Emacs/23.1 (x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-Content-Scanned: Fidelis XPS MAILER x-cbid: 14012916-9332-0000-0000-000002ED0921 Cc: "Jim Guichard \(jguichar\)" Subject: [Tools-discuss] Tools page oddity (new ID listed as expired) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:15:23 -0000 If you look at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sfc/ it shows http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sfc/draft-ietf-sfc-problem-statement/ as both "new" and "expired". Clearly not right. Is this a bug we should report? Or does this sort of thing sort itself out automatically? (the -00 was just submitted in the last hour or so) E.g., the tools page doesn't mirror everything perfectly in real time as I recall, but I haven't followed where that stands lately. Thanks! Thomas From derhoermi@gmx.net Wed Jan 29 13:06:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5F71A041C for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:06:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.435 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.435 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.535, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LnkWG-2gazQz for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A737E1A0374 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from netb.Speedport_W_700V ([91.35.9.159]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M3MAG-1VHtE81TYO-00r1Fk for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 22:06:24 +0100 From: Bjoern Hoehrmann To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 22:06:28 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:lKOErJ1BDc/OJb+96h0MCEeG3a3PoAozSOzC4IKt7IIVY3JtK6Y +czCCMRg4IRkg7Jf99roJa/fEPSyadJgwSuOrJ+FGVlnV1HY5lvSuNOb+BgfXg6NBnvzwQl o2YhvSmD9Vsi43rSdjbhFgwahKwUJ+xfShLzUH61Qrv0EG4RJ2Z9bPnyQ/iDVvi6/v//DkR wCOaRLcToscrgkCVPvmNg== Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Web-based email list archive search and browsing tool ready for use X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 21:06:31 -0000 * IETF Chair wrote: >You'll find the service at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/ This appears to work reasonably well. An important feature is lookup by Message-Id,   It seems mails are indexed tolerably quickly. I note that RFC 6778 calls for linking the archived mail in the `Archived-At` header. It would be nice if that could be made a priority now that the header can easily be generated from the Message-Id. It would also be nice if it was shorter than the link above, something like http://mid.gmane.org/FAF2859A-DEE5-473F-95EB-A191065F6742%40ietf.org say example://mid.ietf.org/FAF2859A-DEE5-473F-95EB-A191065F6742%40ietf.org or example://ietf.org/mid/FAF2859A-DEE5-473F-95EB-A191065F6742%40ietf.org Thanks, -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:bjoern@hoehrmann.de · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Am Badedeich 7 · Telefon: +49(0)160/4415681 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 25899 Dagebüll · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Wed Jan 29 16:53:34 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2676F1A046B for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:53:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Y5uyuwYf0GN for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:53:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pd0-x235.google.com (mail-pd0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::235]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC2F1A0423 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:53:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pd0-f181.google.com with SMTP id y10so2375425pdj.12 for ; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:53:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FAaRusUmQ6OXleb7AMsPyAxInDaWCAxjMsbgfcDQsfQ=; b=caB3y3S8nCQLUHQTS4iNIOogLS8LqbqfsETD6HuJ2MnF+6NGS2tN94zON48rowyojU Ivwh3wlHiLbloFNDXqJWQOcjPTXRQqHvgyZFojtnP7281g55uCD5Qkj7lqlEP6XG4Ybj ADjU4yob0DL3r1qsuf9N/NzbQhgU9z/TlVhgxQU3eF5cGbaum5ej3gjUdQGiq8dbVEB0 jqFF5MJiWKW9wr9R3s5ByCKiAl8/lG99MRd8yKTSptbUSjeqZWXyVwwbhEYk1baEdcvp Zgo3iMh93nCRaPlf9gVcCUzeihOxsHb2iVREwEOKXfj8cF68RM0+ED9YfcdWwwwNFF42 zjUg== X-Received: by 10.68.221.233 with SMTP id qh9mr11220132pbc.103.1391043209750; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:53:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.23] (248.196.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz. [111.69.196.248]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id eb5sm28392720pad.22.2014.01.29.16.53.28 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:53:29 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <52E9A28C.4040505@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:53:32 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Web-based email list archive search and browsing tool ready for use X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 00:53:34 -0000 Thanks to all concerned. > The old archives will continue to receive new messages and will be available in their current locations until further notice. I certainly hope so, since a chronological or thread based presentation is necessary when reviewing a past discussion. The new tool is great for finding when a topic came up, but really not so great for reviewing a thread. (Yes, I see that it can be done by setting up a new filter after discovering roughly when the thread occurred, but with the existing archives it's right there.) Brian From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Jan 30 04:29:05 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B421A047F for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 04:29:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IY14g5dIImsP for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 04:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340581A0420 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 04:29:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:9cd2:9c14:99ae:417f] (port=59867 helo=tannat.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W8qjo-0001jy-OJ; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:28:57 +0100 Message-ID: <52EA4588.1030105@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:28:56 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bjoern Hoehrmann , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:9cd2:9c14:99ae:417f X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: derhoermi@gmx.net, tools-discuss@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Web-based email list archive search and browsing tool ready for use X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 12:29:05 -0000 Hi Björn, On 2014-01-29 22:06 Bjoern Hoehrmann said: > * IETF Chair wrote: >> You'll find the service at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/ > > This appears to work reasonably well. An important feature is lookup by > Message-Id, > > > > It seems mails are indexed tolerably quickly. I note that RFC 6778 calls > for linking the archived mail in the `Archived-At` header. It would be > nice if that could be made a priority now that the header can easily be > generated from the Message-Id. It would also be nice if it was shorter > than the link above, something like > > http://mid.gmane.org/FAF2859A-DEE5-473F-95EB-A191065F6742%40ietf.org > > say > > example://mid.ietf.org/FAF2859A-DEE5-473F-95EB-A191065F6742%40ietf.org > > or > > example://ietf.org/mid/FAF2859A-DEE5-473F-95EB-A191065F6742%40ietf.org The software to add the Archived-At: header field has already been written, I just have to install and verify it. The format will be: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/archive/details/%(list)s/%(hash)s" e.g., https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf/STx5m8aV155J9oiGaiIVJwfUqDk= Best regards, Henrik From chair@ietf.org Wed Jan 29 12:45:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1F21A02B6; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:45:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JTpmi4s37NOd; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:15]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EDF1A02C0; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c9a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18FE2A8EC2; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:44:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c9a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c9a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XHNIeIQn3X9L; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:44:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:14b8:400:f33:19ba:a:36b2:549d] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400:f33:19ba:a:36b2:549d]) by c9a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A2928A8EB7; Wed, 29 Jan 2014 12:44:21 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: IETF Chair Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 22:45:04 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: To: "ietf-announce@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 04:32:16 -0800 Cc: "ietf@ietf.org Mailing List" , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [Tools-discuss] Web-based email list archive search and browsing tool ready for use X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: tools-discuss@ietf.org List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 20:45:15 -0000 The tool realizing the requirements we developed in RFC 6778 is ready = for your use. You'll find the service at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/ If you choose to log in, use your datatracker credentials. If you see issues in the messages for a list, please contact the list's = administrators (typically the working group chairs for working group = lists). If you encounter other problems or have suggestions for future = improvements, please file a report using = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/newticket If you find spam in the archives, please send a request to remove it = including a link to the message to action@ietf.org. We are still working towards providing IMAP access to the archives. That = is not part of the tool at this time. The old archives will continue to receive new messages and will be = available in their current locations until further notice. Early testers have reported this tool to be very useful. I hope you also = find it to be so. (And I'd like to thank the tools team, AMS, and the = early testers for this service!) Jari Arkko IETF Chair From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Jan 30 04:48:27 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF831A041B for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 04:48:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xM-MbNjAILIm for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 04:48:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0D21A039B for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 04:48:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:9cd2:9c14:99ae:417f] (port=59932 helo=tannat.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W8r2Z-0006ei-E4; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:48:19 +0100 Message-ID: <52EA4A13.8030908@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:48:19 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Narten , tools-discuss@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:9cd2:9c14:99ae:417f X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: narten@us.ibm.com, tools-discuss@ietf.org, jguichar@cisco.com, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: "Jim Guichard \(jguichar\)" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Tools page oddity (new ID listed as expired) X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 12:48:27 -0000 Hi Thomas, On 2014-01-29 17:15 Thomas Narten said: > If you look at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sfc/ > > it shows > http://tools.ietf.org/wg/sfc/draft-ietf-sfc-problem-statement/ as both > "new" and "expired". > > Clearly not right. > > Is this a bug we should report? Or does this sort of thing sort itself > out automatically? (the -00 was just submitted in the last hour or so) It should sort itself out. Checking it now, just a moment ago, this error doesn't seem to exist any longer. > E.g., the tools page doesn't mirror everything perfectly in real time > as I recall, but I haven't followed where that stands lately. No, it can take up to an hour for new information to get properly in place. Best regards, Henrik From hsantos@isdg.net Thu Jan 30 05:09:46 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A151A01ED for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 05:09:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Eemwm3C8ZcoL for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 05:09:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ntbbs.santronics.com (winserver.com [208.247.131.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842911A020C for ; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 05:09:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; d=isdg.net; s=tms1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/relaxed; l=1846; t=1391087364; h=Received:Received: Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Organization:To:Subject: List-ID; bh=D4JEPeVZ+LGCiLqFrxKfePdxCBY=; b=QqzoCRf41hEAd/4i3O1H GkOYrTDraAmauNhcF/8fA8wLkbuNJVA68YXzyypQ31TuM7k9qIO0Fk5bODumIFbJ HDxMVgd9UVSrOFp5C2Y9xxp8XgUIlEj3TlrHlrTn5hOkbJ0hhVZce535ghghyDPf SLT8sx+DQvt0Qp8mZHf/Z3Y= Received: by winserver.com (Wildcat! 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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 05:16:33 -0800 Cc: IETF Chair , "ietf@ietf.org Mailing List" Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Web-based email list archive search and browsing tool ready for use X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:09:46 -0000 Few comments - Cool! - UI (user interface) breaks down with Javascript (JS) disabled. Not sure if JS is an UI ergonomic requirement. Javascript is pretty much required these days but nothing other IETF tools does not require it. Just saying. - Sign in? Login? Is there a IETF membership class? Is there a sign-up? There is enough white space on the initial page to put a note about "Signing In" to avoid similar/future (support) questions from "regular IETF users." - Add a link back to the search page from the sign in page. Back button is fine though. - I would suggest that a search result have an initial sort by (descending) time. -- HLS On 1/29/2014 3:45 PM, IETF Chair wrote: > The tool realizing the requirements we developed in RFC 6778 is ready for your use. > > You'll find the service at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/ > If you choose to log in, use your datatracker credentials. > > If you see issues in the messages for a list, please contact the list's administrators (typically the working group chairs for working group lists). > > If you encounter other problems or have suggestions for future improvements, please file a report using http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/newticket > > If you find spam in the archives, please send a request to remove it including a link to the message to action@ietf.org. > > We are still working towards providing IMAP access to the archives. That is not part of the tool at this time. > > The old archives will continue to receive new messages and will be available in their current locations until further notice. > > Early testers have reported this tool to be very useful. I hope you also find it to be so. (And I'd like to thank the tools team, AMS, and the early testers for this service!) > > Jari Arkko > IETF Chair > > > From randy@psg.com Thu Jan 30 17:01:51 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A641C1A04F1; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:01:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.936 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.936 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RANDOM_SURE=0.499, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.535] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MufFMhzyTc8l; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C291A04EE; Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:01:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1W92U7-0007SN-Mu; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 01:01:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:01:30 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Hector Santos In-Reply-To: <52EA4F05.10003@isdg.net> References: <52EA4F05.10003@isdg.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: IETF Chair , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Web-based email list archive search and browsing tool ready for use X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 01:01:51 -0000 [ off list ] > - UI (user interface) breaks down with Javascript (JS) disabled. what's 'javascript'? > - I would suggest that a search result have an initial sort by > (descending) time. maybe choice ascend/descend