From nobody Wed Nov 16 00:48:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AFB129426 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 00:48:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.112 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.112 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, THIS_AD=2.088] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EHdw5ktFm2EM for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 00:48:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0414C12944D for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 00:48:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.201.11]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id uAG8m37A026308 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 09:48:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from t2001067c037001285422d7b68adf748f.v6.meeting.ietf.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:5422:d7b6:8adf:748f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3tJdFG6MrLz7yQh; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 09:48:02 +0100 (CET) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 500978875.717301-13f75316f9ca02477aed8807f92d0088 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.1 \(3251\)) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:47:55 +0900 Message-Id: To: Tools Team Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3251) Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-discuss] Make open DISCUSSES more visible on AD's "My Documents" page X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 08:48:08 -0000 An AD hinted at me that open DISCUSSES are not as visible to them as = they maybe should. ADs tend to focus on =E2=80=9CMy Documents=E2=80=9D, apparently that has = no information about DISCUSSes from this AD on documents of others that = could be cleared. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Wed Nov 16 01:02:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D138129677 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:02:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.497] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o3FrvldGG0JI for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:02:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A50E7129678 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:02:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-89c4.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-89c4.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.139.196] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id uAG926Js034368 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 03:02:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) To: tools-discuss@ietf.org References: From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <544e9b2a-28f4-c9e4-b345-8a803ae3a4f5@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 18:02:06 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Make open DISCUSSES more visible on AD's "My Documents" page X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 09:02:12 -0000 Hi Carsten - Thanks for bringing that in. We could somehow highlight "my discusses" on the my documents page. If the AD didn't also show you the "My discusses" page, perhaps they don't know about it - when you're logged in as an AD, there are "By me" and "For me" tabs at /iesg/discusses. (You can see that by logging in as an AD on the sandbox and going to http://sandbox.ietf.org/iesg/discusses/.) If you have a chance, please also enter this as a feature request using the "report a bug" link on the datatracker. RjS On 11/16/16 5:47 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > An AD hinted at me that open DISCUSSES are not as visible to them as they maybe should. > ADs tend to focus on “My Documents”, apparently that has no information about DISCUSSes from this AD on documents of others that could be cleared. > > Grüße, Carsten > From nobody Wed Nov 16 01:14:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DA31296A1 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:14:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.611 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.611 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, THIS_AD=2.088, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9R6MMJCTyEsP for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:14:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x22d.google.com (mail-qk0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2954F12969E for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:14:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id q130so167430745qke.1 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:14:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Im/zjTPhFvnFEuZv20/IBWrNbfFMg0wIuthUbZwDnOc=; b=uY3Gx7Ff2GYb/fFgp+TJNTfKJdPYQs38leP9QMxzL8JwCk91OcS7ZqqIHqzasw7ktE pioO5DE5Ev2pQddEU46vOOBIQVUbkqLIC0++hZwb45KiUPlrfpQtJKYTxeWgFCjDGLSN dVjjF1bvXdu+6YjSJJ1nwUX40T5RJbOeaNycq2VTTXR+9f+sH43dJzZjx+GfOY1MZc+9 Mgmm20cFN9/eQuTpRLKFgXunL7Q0nQySSiPL20fBZfNdrJzauCHE6OrhO48igr0CwPa7 pKiHOUdcbI/IKfavCQM9QYmq5ELZp9iikw7NxhFB/zApZVPP8B3bGPHLJK4sFKq9qysZ 7HUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Im/zjTPhFvnFEuZv20/IBWrNbfFMg0wIuthUbZwDnOc=; b=j0Ivcg2yeWpKskk82Gem++PFlOFJsLszrS6wIUkzCV20D0VP0Jn+fpMuIkyirKnaam /cQ5fFi+xmh6sPQvw/liLdS6++t2yYiOrySoLKrWzEkE0XfMQ7u/ZKJa5PjSvK5+ylVE EWrHyXbz8IFJmdSR5B57p+E3ajl4cTOjHTqyorGXc2iKNvicDsoVAqdqCwIaoUxuSiP7 jWehMXNGcEXplX4/38RizXvAbu0d/7ZgbD7ZBeshBtFBZXyR0iXsPVvffXytsxVSFjno IeSXXm82opkM2pqSP/U9cu0GR8EsDP0qMSG3AziFvCalYIFs9INlChZ3JVo674yOTv2f L79g== X-Gm-Message-State: ABUngveQO/XkW93hpCPfpgenlZFWIXzErKV9cSdOhMpQ6bdFAuLBHWo1P4EAAVyugApDqad7wcmWhNTYK/uswg== X-Received: by 10.55.128.3 with SMTP id b3mr545498qkd.130.1479287677305; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:14:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.200.34.228 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 01:14:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <544e9b2a-28f4-c9e4-b345-8a803ae3a4f5@nostrum.com> References: <544e9b2a-28f4-c9e4-b345-8a803ae3a4f5@nostrum.com> From: Alia Atlas Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 04:14:36 -0500 Message-ID: To: Robert Sparks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c05e42686fd8505416780f8 Archived-At: Cc: tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] Make open DISCUSSES more visible on AD's "My Documents" page X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 09:14:40 -0000 --94eb2c05e42686fd8505416780f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carsten & Robert, On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 4:02 AM, Robert Sparks wrote= : > Hi Carsten - > > Thanks for bringing that in. > > We could somehow highlight "my discusses" on the my documents page. > I think that would be useful. > If the AD didn't also show you the "My discusses" page, perhaps they don'= t > know about it - when you're logged in as an AD, there are "By me" and "Fo= r > me" tabs at /iesg/discusses. (You can see that by logging in as an AD on > the sandbox and going to http://sandbox.ietf.org/iesg/discusses/.) > I suspect this has more to do with workflow. As an AD, I got to "My Documents" all the time to check what I need to deal with. I have to remember and specifically go look at the Discusses as a special case; of course, I can easily see the Discusses on my documents by clicking on them. This encourages the responsible AD to reach out - but makes it harder for the AD with the Discuss to remember to be proactive. Regards, Alia > If you have a chance, please also enter this as a feature request using > the "report a bug" link on the datatracker. > > RjS > > > > On 11/16/16 5:47 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > >> An AD hinted at me that open DISCUSSES are not as visible to them as the= y >> maybe should. >> ADs tend to focus on =E2=80=9CMy Documents=E2=80=9D, apparently that has= no information >> about DISCUSSes from this AD on documents of others that could be cleare= d. >> >> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >> >> > -- > Tools-discuss mailing list > Tools-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss > > Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ie > tfdb > or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org > > Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues o= r > send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org > --94eb2c05e42686fd8505416780f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Carsten & Robert,

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 4:02 AM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
Hi Carsten -

Thanks for bringing that in.

We could somehow highlight "my discusses" on the my documents pag= e.

I think that would be useful.=C2=A0<= /div>
=C2=A0
If the AD didn't also show you the "My discusses" page, perha= ps they don't know about it - when you're logged in as an AD, there= are "By me" and "For me" tabs at /iesg/discusses. (You= can see that by logging in as an AD on the sandbox and going to http://sandbox.ietf.org/iesg/discusses/.)

I suspect this has more to do with workflow.=C2=A0 As an AD= , I got to "My Documents" all the time to check what I need to de= al with.=C2=A0 I have to remember and specifically go look at the Discusses= as a special case; of course, I can easily see the Discusses on my documen= ts by clicking on them. =C2=A0 This encourages the responsible AD to reach = out - but makes it harder for the AD with the Discuss to remember to be pro= active.=C2=A0

Regards,
Alia
= =C2=A0
If you have a chance, please also enter this as a feature request using the= "report a bug" link on the datatracker.

RjS



On 11/16/16 5:47 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote:
An AD hinted at me that open DISCUSSES are not as visible to them as they m= aybe should.
ADs tend to focus on =E2=80=9CMy Documents=E2=80=9D, apparently that has no= information about DISCUSSes from this AD on documents of others that could= be cleared.

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten


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--94eb2c05e42686fd8505416780f8-- From nobody Wed Nov 16 17:48:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D71212952F for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:48:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fLGQn4F8Fg6p for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:48:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABF2412947A for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 17:48:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193C8300AD6 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:37:51 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id MEukjGmI8zME for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:37:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from dhcp-8c4e.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-8c4e.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.140.78]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2CFE2300A2A; Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:37:47 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E84A0146-5C21-4D0A-A496-A6D21FC8DB67" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:47:59 -0500 Message-Id: <2C0510EB-E248-4936-9544-5DF525A1DB1B@vigilsec.com> References: To: Aaron Falk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: IETF WG Chairs , tools-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-discuss] [irsg] IETF list archive X-BeenThere: tools-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: IETF Tools Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2016 01:48:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E84A0146-5C21-4D0A-A496-A6D21FC8DB67 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Aaron: Please see RFC 7842. The changes described there are under development = now. Russ On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Aaron Falk wrote: > I am frequently despondent about the signal-to-noise on the IETF mail = list but still feel compelled to check in periodically. We now have two = archives for browsing the list archives and both have some significant = shortcomings. The Mhonarc view does a decent job of showing threads but = doesn=92t do line wraps frequently making it impossible to read the = messages. The Mailarchive does a lousy job of threading. Can we = (should we) do better? >=20 > =97aaron --Apple-Mail=_E84A0146-5C21-4D0A-A496-A6D21FC8DB67 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Aaron:

Please see = RFC 7842.  The changes described there are under development = now.

Russ


On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> = wrote:

I am = frequently despondent about the signal-to-noise on the IETF mail list = but still feel compelled to check in periodically.  We now have two = archives for browsing the list archives and both have some significant = shortcomings.  The Mhonarc view does a decent job of showing = threads but doesn=92t do line wraps frequently making it = impossible to read the messages.  The Mailarchive does a lousy = job of threading.  Can we (should we) do better?

=97aaron

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On = Nov 17, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:

Aaron:

Please see RFC 7842.  The changes described there = are under development now.

Russ


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=97aaron


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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For anyone using Firefox, this plugin fixes the line wrap problem: https://= addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toggle-word-wrap/ The plugin adds a "Word Wrap within 
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I just checked this plugin on the Mhonarc message linked below - the plugin=
 works.

Thanks, --David

From: WGChairs [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Falk
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:50 PM
To: Russ Housley
Cc: IETF WG Chairs; tools-discuss@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [irsg] IETF list archive

Excellent.  Thanks!

On Nov 17, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Russ Housley > wrote:

Aaron:

Please see RFC 7842.  The changes described there are under development now=
.

Russ


On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Aaron Falk > wrote:


I am frequently despondent about the signal-to-noise on the IETF mail list =
but still feel compelled to check in periodically.  We now have two archive=
s for browsing the list archives and both have some significant shortcoming=
s.  The Mhonarc view does a decent job of showing threads but doesn't do li=
ne wraps =
frequently making it impossible to read the messages.  The Mailarchive does=
 a lousy job of threading.  Can we (should we=
) do better?

-aaron



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For anyone using Firefox,=
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 <=
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The plugin adds a “=
Word Wrap within <PRE>”  item to the browser’s View =
menu with a Ctrl-Shift-Q quick key.


I just checked this plugi=
n on the Mhonarc message linked below - the plugin works.=



 <=
/p>



Thanks, --David




 <=
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From: WGChairs=
 [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org]
On Behalf Of Aaron Falk

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:50 PM

To: Russ Housley

Cc: IETF WG Chairs; tools-discuss@ietf.org

Subject: Re: [irsg] IETF list archive






 


Excellent.  Thanks!




 








On Nov 17, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:=





 






Aaron:




 










Please see RFC 7842.  The changes describe=
d there are under development now.






 






Russ






 






 






On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> wrote:













I am frequently despondent about the signal-to-noise=
 on the IETF mail list but still feel compelled to check in periodically. &=
nbsp;We now have two archives for browsing the list archives and both have =
some significant shortcomings.  The Mhonarc
 view does a decent job of showing threads but doesn’t do line=
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—aaron








 












 










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Thanks for the clue.  Chrome has a similar thing that always wraps: =
"
 Line Wrapper": =
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/%3Cpre%3E-line-wrapper/nhljfekjb=
hmbibnfeehbgfeccakopaod?utm_source=3Dgmail =


=E2=80=94aaron


> On Nov 17, 2016, at 11:13 AM, Black, David  =
wrote:
>=20
> For anyone using Firefox, this plugin fixes the line wrap problem: =
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toggle-word-wrap/ =

> =20
> The plugin adds a =E2=80=9CWord Wrap within 
=E2=80=9D  item to =
the browser=E2=80=99s View menu with a Ctrl-Shift-Q quick key.
> I just checked this plugin on the Mhonarc message linked below - the =
plugin works.
> =20
> Thanks, --David
> =20
> From: WGChairs [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Aaron =
Falk
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:50 PM
> To: Russ Housley
> Cc: IETF WG Chairs; tools-discuss@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [irsg] IETF list archive
> =20
> Excellent.  Thanks!
> =20
> On Nov 17, 2016, at 10:47 AM, Russ Housley > wrote:
> =20
> Aaron:
> =20
> Please see RFC 7842.  The changes described there are under =
development now.
> =20
> Russ
> =20
> =20
> On Nov 16, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Aaron Falk > wrote:
>=20
>=20
> I am frequently despondent about the signal-to-noise on the IETF mail =
list but still feel compelled to check in periodically.  We now have two =
archives for browsing the list archives and both have some significant =
shortcomings.  The Mhonarc view does a decent job of showing threads but =
doesn=E2=80=99t do line wraps =
 =
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does a lousy job =
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Thanks for the clue.  Chrome has a similar thing that =
always wraps: "<pre> Line Wrapper": https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/%3Cpre%3E-line-wrappe=
r/nhljfekjbhmbibnfeehbgfeccakopaod?utm_source=3Dgmail

=E2=80=94aaron


On Nov 17, 2016, at 11:13 AM, =
Black, David <David.Black@dell.com> wrote:

For anyone using Firefox, this plugin =
fixes the line wrap problem: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toggle-word-wrap=
/
 
The plugin adds a =
=E2=80=9CWord Wrap within <PRE>=E2=80=9D  item to the =
browser=E2=80=99s View menu with a Ctrl-Shift-Q quick key.
I just checked this plugin on the Mhonarc =
message linked below - the plugin works.
 
Thanks, --David
 
From: WGChairs =
[mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf =
Of Aaron Falk
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, =
2016 8:50 PM
To: Russ Housley
Cc: IETF=
 WG Chairs; tools-discuss@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [irsg] IETF list =
archive
 
Excellent.  Thanks!
 
On Nov 17, 2016, at =
10:47 AM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
 
Aaron:
 
Please see =
RFC 7842.  The changes described there are under development =
now.
 
Russ
 
 
On Nov 16, 2016, at =
8:39 PM, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> wrote:


I am frequently despondent about the =
signal-to-noise on the IETF mail list but still feel compelled to check =
in periodically.  We now have two archives for browsing the list =
archives and both have some significant shortcomings.  The Mhonarc =
view does a decent job of showing threads but doesn=E2=80=
=99t do line wraps frequently making it impossible to read the =
messages.  The Mailarchive does a lousy job of threading. =
 Can we (should we) do better?
 
=E2=80=94aaron

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Hi,

Is it possible to include a link to the email in the email archive in =
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citing particular emails.

Thanks,
Bob


> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: Alexandre Petrescu 
> Subject: PIO-X and ND Prefix Delegation
> Date: November 18, 2016 at 10:58:04 AM GMT+9
> To: IPv6 
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> Hi,
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> To the extent that PIO-X states that this prefix is _only_ for you, it =
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> There are a few drafts proposing ND Prefix Delegation that I suggest =
to be considered in the PIO-X context.
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Hi,

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citing particular emails.  

Thanks,
Bob


Begin forwarded message:

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Subject: =
PIO-X and ND =
Prefix Delegation
Date: November 18, 2016 at 10:58:04 AM GMT+9
To: =
IPv6 <ipv6@ietf.org>


 =20

    
 =20
  
Hi,
To the extent that =
PIO-X
          states that this prefix is _only_ for you, it amounts to
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Alex

    

  


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It depends on your mail agent whether you can see it, but the headers already include this:
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On 19/11/2016 16:47, Bob Hinden wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is it possible to include a link to the email in the email archive in the footer that is added to each email?  I would find this helpful when citing particular emails.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bob
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Alexandre Petrescu 
>> Subject: PIO-X and ND Prefix Delegation
>> Date: November 18, 2016 at 10:58:04 AM GMT+9
>> To: IPv6 
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> To the extent that PIO-X states that this prefix is _only_ for you, it amounts to Prefix Delegation, right?
>>
>> There are a few drafts proposing ND Prefix Delegation that I suggest to be considered in the PIO-X context.
>>
>> Alex
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> 
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Thanks, not sure why I am not seeing it :-(

Bob

> On Nov 19, 2016, at 13:10, Brian E Carpenter =
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> It depends on your mail agent whether you can see it, but the headers alre=
ady include this:
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>   Brian
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>> On 19/11/2016 16:47, Bob Hinden wrote:
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> Is it possible to include a link to the email in the email archive in the=
 footer that is added to each email?  I would find this helpful when citing p=
articular emails.
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
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>>=20
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>=20
>>> From: Alexandre Petrescu 
>>> Subject: PIO-X and ND Prefix Delegation
>>> Date: November 18, 2016 at 10:58:04 AM GMT+9
>>> To: IPv6 
>>>=20
>>> Hi,
>>>=20
>>> To the extent that PIO-X states that this prefix is _only_ for you, it a=
mounts to Prefix Delegation, right?
>>>=20
>>> There are a few drafts proposing ND Prefix Delegation that I suggest to b=
e considered in the PIO-X context.
>>>=20
>>> Alex
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list
>>> ipv6@ietf.org
>>> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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Most mail applications have a what to show the ones that are not =
normally displayed.  In mail.app, use Message =97> Show =97> All Headers

Russ


On Nov 18, 2016, at 11:22 PM, Bob Hinden  wrote:

> Thanks, not sure why I am not seeing it :-(
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> Bob
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>> On Nov 19, 2016, at 13:10, Brian E Carpenter =
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>> It depends on your mail agent whether you can see it, but the headers =
already include this:
>> Archived-At: =

>>=20
>> Regards
>>  Brian
>>=20
>>> On 19/11/2016 16:47, Bob Hinden wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>=20
>>> Is it possible to include a link to the email in the email archive =
in the footer that is added to each email?  I would find this helpful =
when citing particular emails.
>>>=20
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bob
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>=20
>>>> From: Alexandre Petrescu 
>>>> Subject: PIO-X and ND Prefix Delegation
>>>> Date: November 18, 2016 at 10:58:04 AM GMT+9
>>>> To: IPv6 
>>>>=20
>>>> Hi,
>>>>=20
>>>> To the extent that PIO-X states that this prefix is _only_ for you, =
it amounts to Prefix Delegation, right?
>>>>=20
>>>> There are a few drafts proposing ND Prefix Delegation that I =
suggest to be considered in the PIO-X context.
>>>>=20
>>>> Alex
>>>> =
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I just discovered that in Thunderbird, if you go into the config editor a=
nd set
the preference "mailnews.headers.extraExpandedHeaders" to the value "Arch=
ived-At",
it shows up among the displayed headers.

Regards
   Brian

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> Russ
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>=20
> On Nov 18, 2016, at 11:22 PM, Bob Hinden  wrote:
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>> Thanks, not sure why I am not seeing it :-(
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2016, at 13:10, Brian E Carpenter  wrote:
>>>
>>> It depends on your mail agent whether you can see it, but the headers=
 already include this:
>>> Archived-At: 
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>  Brian
>>>
>>>> On 19/11/2016 16:47, Bob Hinden wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible to include a link to the email in the email archive i=
n the footer that is added to each email?  I would find this helpful when=
 citing particular emails.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Alexandre Petrescu 
>>>>> Subject: PIO-X and ND Prefix Delegation
>>>>> Date: November 18, 2016 at 10:58:04 AM GMT+9
>>>>> To: IPv6 
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> To the extent that PIO-X states that this prefix is _only_ for you,=
 it amounts to Prefix Delegation, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a few drafts proposing ND Prefix Delegation that I sugges=
t to be considered in the PIO-X context.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
>>>>> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list
>>>>> ipv6@ietf.org
>>>>> Administrative Requests: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6=

>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------=
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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OK, by clicking on display headers, I can see it.

Note, my question was about adding this to the footer added to the =
bottom each email.

Another question:  Why don=E2=80=99t the footers show up in the email =
archive display?  For example, compare:

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ipv6/BSpu70jNK_PN0Qu6sitdNuWfIqQ

and the forwarded email below.

Bob


> On Nov 19, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Brian E Carpenter =
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>=20
> It depends on your mail agent whether you can see it, but the headers =
already include this:
> Archived-At: =

>=20
> Regards
>   Brian
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> On 19/11/2016 16:47, Bob Hinden wrote:
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> Is it possible to include a link to the email in the email archive in =
the footer that is added to each email?  I would find this helpful when =
citing particular emails.
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
>>=20
>>=20
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>=20
>>> From: Alexandre Petrescu 
>>> Subject: PIO-X and ND Prefix Delegation
>>> Date: November 18, 2016 at 10:58:04 AM GMT+9
>>> To: IPv6 
>>>=20
>>> Hi,
>>>=20
>>> To the extent that PIO-X states that this prefix is _only_ for you, =
it amounts to Prefix Delegation, right?
>>>=20
>>> There are a few drafts proposing ND Prefix Delegation that I suggest =
to be considered in the PIO-X context.
>>>=20
>>> Alex
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> IETF IPv6 working group mailing list
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> On Nov 19, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Russ Housley  =
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> Bob:
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>> Note, my question was about adding this to the footer added to the =
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> More and more people are signing email.  These footers break the =
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On 21 November 2016 at 03:12, Bob Hinden  wrote:
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>
> Understood, but they due have some use.  I suppose we shouldn=E2=80=99t s=
tart the discussion about the list mailer signing emails :-(

I find that they are of more hindrance than use.  I see lots of
quoting of these footers in replies, which - if they include unique
per-message data - could make things worse by adding confusion to the
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All,

WG tools pages (e.g. https://tools.ietf.org/wg/6tisch/) used to contain a
little colorbar for each WG doc indicating the number of open issues, and a
link to the issue tracker (right?).

I can access the tracker (e.g. https://trac.ietf.org/trac/6tisch/report/1)
but fail to see the link on https://tools.ietf.org/wg/6tisch/.

Was something changed/obsoleted, or am I missing something obvious?

Thomas

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All,

WG tools pages =
(e.g.=C2=A0=
https://tools.ietf.org/wg/6tisch/) used to contain a little colorb=
ar for each WG doc indicating the number of open issues, and a link to the =
issue tracker (right?).

I can access the tracker (e.g.=C2=A0https://trac.=
ietf.org/trac/6tisch/report/1) but fail to see the link on=C2=A0https://tools=
.ietf.org/wg/6tisch/.

Was something changed/obsoleted, or am I=
 missing something obvious?

=

Thomas

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Thomas Watteyne, PhD
Research Scientist=
 & Innovator, Inria
Sr Networking Design Eng, Linear Tech
Found=
er & co-lead, UC Berkeley OpenWSN
Co-chair, IETF 6TiSCH

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Was going to pull some minutes out to finalize them, and sad panda....


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You know what would be useful? If the thingy I click to approve a new WG =
document also prompted me to provide the Replaces: information.

$0.02,

--John=


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John:

Most often, the the author provides the replaces information when the =
draft is submitted, but it is a good idea to show the WG chair the =
information that the author provided, and if none, allow the WG Chair to =
provide it.

Russ


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On Nov 30, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Russ Housley  wrote:
> Most often, the the author provides the replaces information when the =
draft is submitted,

Sadly this this is not my experience. And in fact, as an author I hadn't =
even noticed I could do this, go figure.

> but it is a good idea to show the WG chair the information that the =
author provided, and if none, allow the WG Chair to provide it.

Thanks!

--John=