From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Tue Mar 1 23:25:30 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA17819; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:25:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6LRY-00062y-Ec; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:26:40 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6LPg-00063t-JO; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:24:44 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6LPc-00063Z-GE for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:24:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA17755 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 23:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from c-24-8-141-221.client.comcast.net ([24.8.141.221] helo=volx.rousskov.org) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6LQf-00062B-IV for tools-team@ietf.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 23:25:47 -0500 Received: from localhost.rousskov.org (localhost.rousskov.org [127.0.0.1]) by volx.rousskov.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j224Nqa5000775 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 21:23:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:23:51 -0700 To: "IETF TOOLS" Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 23 Feb 2005 Telechat References: <421CBF9B.3010100@levkowetz.com> From: "Alex Rousskov" Organization: The Measurement Factory Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <421CBF9B.3010100@levkowetz.com> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (FreeBSD, build 955) X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 2005/02/23 (MST), wrote: > * Alex: Continue thinking about Draft Status Page > Requirements. Post new version before submission > cut-off. > New version posted (but hasn't been announced yet). Some feed- > back from the team on that document is desired before continuing > work on the next version. Minor correction: Version 01 was actually announced on February 22nd. I also CCed to the list when posing it on February 20th. > 6. Next meeting: > > Teleconference Wednesday 30 Feb, 17:00 GMT (same local time as today). Is it time for a leap day or two this year? :-) Alex. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 2 05:26:40 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA23540; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6R57-0004oB-IR; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 05:27:53 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6R2O-0000dX-Ae; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 05:25:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6R2L-0000ck-3H for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 05:25:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA23349 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 05:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from av7-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net ([81.228.10.109]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6R3S-0004lO-FV for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 05:26:11 -0500 Received: by av7-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id B736039A01; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:24:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.182]) by av7-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB3839A00; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:24:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h195n1fls311o871.telia.com [213.64.174.195]) by smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC2A37E4A; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:24:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from sesam.local.levkowetz.com ([192.168.3.1] helo=[192.168.3.101]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D6R26-00017O-Hs; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:24:47 +0100 Message-ID: <42259481.5030609@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:25:05 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050116) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Rousskov References: <421CBF9B.3010100@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.3.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 23 Feb 2005 Telechat X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on shiraz.levkowetz.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.9 required=3.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:36:50 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on shiraz.levkowetz.com) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF TOOLS X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alex Rousskov wrote: > On Wed, 2005/02/23 (MST), wrote: > >> * Alex: Continue thinking about Draft Status Page >> Requirements. Post new version before submission >> cut-off. >> New version posted (but hasn't been announced yet). Some feed- >> back from the team on that document is desired before continuing >> work on the next version. > > > Minor correction: Version 01 was actually announced on February 22nd. > I also CCed to the list when posing it on February 20th. Ok, good. > >> 6. Next meeting: >> >> Teleconference Wednesday 30 Feb, 17:00 GMT (same local time as today). > > > Is it time for a leap day or two this year? :-) *Blush* What about having it on March 2nd instead? Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 2 09:35:26 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA15963; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:35:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6Uxs-0001ro-OC; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:36:40 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6UwH-0000QP-1r; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:35:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6UwF-0000QI-Bv for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:34:59 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA15949 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:34:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from av2-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.108]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6UxP-0001qy-1x for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:36:12 -0500 Received: by av2-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 8A74137E49; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:34:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp1-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.177]) by av2-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EACD37E42 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:34:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h195n1fls311o871.telia.com [213.64.174.195]) by smtp1-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3266E3803F for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:34:48 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D6Uw4-0005gu-1m for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:34:48 +0100 Message-ID: <4225CF08.4030205@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:34:48 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Macintosh/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Agenda for the 2 March 2005 Telechat X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Here is the proposed agenda for today's meeting. --------------------------------------------------------- 1. Agenda bashing 2. Comments on minutes from last teleconference. 3. Action item review. * Stas: Continue working on the Notification Service Requirements. * Bill: Try to have a mocked-up XML feed available next week * Henrik: Help with the mapping of notification elements to Atom * Henrik: Continue working on the WG draft and agenda pages. Summarize status and comments to the list. Put link to WG pages on the main IETF Tools site. * Donald: (Not for this week, but noted here anyway:) Meet up with Marcia in Minneapolis and get feedback and possibly also some sample data to use as test input for a prototype implementation. 4. Any other business. 5. Action items for next week. 6. Next meeting: Informal meeting during the IETF week (discuss when) Teleconference Wednesday 16 March, 17:00 GMT (same local time as today). --------------------------------------------------------- Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. One can also join the call by dialling: sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 2 09:43:44 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA17086; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:43:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6V5u-00024r-Ja; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:44:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6V4E-0001zf-Vs; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:43:14 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6V4D-0001zX-13 for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:43:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA16969 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:43:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net ([81.228.10.108]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6V5K-00023S-Eu for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:44:26 -0500 Received: by av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 5D4AF37E52; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:42:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.182]) by av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9C337E42 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:42:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h195n1fls311o871.telia.com [213.64.174.195]) by smtp2-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0D337E52 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 15:42:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D6V3y-0005qs-10 for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:42:58 +0100 Message-ID: <4225D0F1.1000306@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 15:42:57 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Macintosh/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fb6060cb60c0cea16e3f7219e40a0a81 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Prototype WG pages X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6cca30437e2d04f45110f2ff8dc1b1d5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is the status of the Prototype WG pages which are available at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ , and the planned features and features requested by the WG chairs. Comments and questions welcome. Bugs: - The pages currently display links to charter, mailing list subscription web page and archives. All these are generated based on a template, which makes the mailing list information plain wrong for WGs which don't have lists on the ietf.org servers. FIXED - The pages are not listing drafts according to the true WG-draft state. Needs rewrite of part of script, and new scripts for meta-information. FIXED - iesg and iab are erroneously listed as workgroups FIXED Planned Features: + Import and display the names and obfuscated email addresses of the WG chairs CODED (I have this running for mip4, but want to change how I store meta-data, so haven't distributed this to all WGs yet) + Make ietf-62 agendas editable by the chairs. (Requires a password which will be generated and sent to the chair's email address on request.) STARTED (Code to send password to chairs is in place, but not the editing part) + As soon as there is an IETF-62 agenda page, produce a massaged version of this which points to the editable agenda pages and otherwise fulfils Thomas' requirements for a one-stop-shopping version of the IETF agenda, with html-links to drafts etc. (planned for today) + Add a scan for drafts related to a workgroup based on the filename (should contain -- but not be a wg draft) and add these to the WG pages as 'related individual drafts' + Add prototype RSS feeds to the draft pages once specified in Stas' draft + Add more detailed information on the RFC Ed Queue state + Add historic information for draft -- WG relationship Wg Chairs Requests: + Import meeting minutes from earlier IETFs, and display them in the same manner as the agenda pages + Make the pages static, not script-generated, so that a (shallow) snapshot can be take and used off-line + Add ability for chairs to put a "WGLC" (Working Group Last Call) flag on a draft + Add links to liaison statements + Better description of the individual draft states (Active, Expired, IESG Processing, etc.) + Ability to add a link to supplemental WG pages + Rsync support _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 2 11:53:29 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA01349; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:53:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6X7V-00057I-3Z; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:54:46 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6X5T-0008Gt-3T; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:52:39 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6X5R-0008Go-Og for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:52:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA01280 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from measurement-factory.com ([206.168.0.5]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6X6b-00055W-4s for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:53:51 -0500 Received: from pail.measurement-factory.com (nat.measurement-factory.com [206.168.0.3]) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j22GqU3a056689; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 09:52:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:51:54 -0700 To: "Henrik Levkowetz" , "IETF TOOLS" Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Prototype WG pages References: <4225D0F1.1000306@levkowetz.com> From: "Alex Rousskov" Organization: The Measurement Factory Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4225D0F1.1000306@levkowetz.com> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (FreeBSD, build 955) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 2005/03/02 (MST), wrote: > Wg Chairs Requests: > > + Make the pages static, not script-generated, so that a > (shallow) snapshot can be take and used off-line I do not understand why one cannot take a snapshot of script-generated pages with something like wget. Can you clarify the problem, please? > + Add ability for chairs to put a "WGLC" (Working Group Last > Call) flag on a draft Sounds like a job for a different/separate "WG event generation" tool to me. That tool can/should be linked from WG pages, of course. > + Rsync support Would not wget be sufficient? I think it has options to enable rsync-like behavior. What is the motivation here? Thank you, Alex. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 2 12:50:24 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA08958; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:50:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6Y0c-0006jq-0v; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:51:42 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6XzF-000475-M4; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:50:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6XzE-00046y-MK for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:50:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA08950 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:50:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from av1-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.108]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6Y0Q-0006jR-Vk for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:51:31 -0500 Received: by av1-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 59F1237E51; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:50:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.164]) by av1-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF9F37E43 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:50:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h195n1fls311o871.telia.com [213.64.174.195]) by smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7D337E90 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:50:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D6Xz3-0003co-SO for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:50:05 +0100 Message-ID: <4225FCCD.8080005@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:50:05 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Macintosh/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 34d35111647d654d033d58d318c0d21a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 2 March 2005 Telechat X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1b0e72ff1bbd457ceef31828f216a86 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Here are the minutes from today's meeting. --------------------------------------------------------- 0. Present: Henrik, Stas, Donald, Alex 1. Agenda bashing Nothing 2. Comments on minutes from last teleconference. Alex 3. Action item review. * Stas: Continue working on the Notification Service Requirements. not yet * Bill: Try to have a mocked-up XML feed available next week - * Henrik: Help with the mapping of notification elements to Atom - * Henrik: Continue working on the WG draft and agenda pages. Summarize status and comments to the list. Put link to WG pages on the main IETF Tools site. WG pages have been refined, and comments received from the WG chairs, as summarised in a separate posting. We went over the comments from Alex; response also on the list. * Donald: (Not for this week, but noted here anyway:) Meet up with Marcia in Minneapolis and get feedback and possibly also some sample data to use as test input for a prototype implementation. n/a 4. Any other business. Stas took up the issue of how it is determined that a draft is a WG draft or not - most people rely on the name, which is good if that is consistently applied, but formally it is the meta-data in the secretariat database which is the correct indication - this would also be fine if it was generally understood; but the reality is that some people rely on the name, while others know that it's not always correct, which is worse than both the alternative. Stas will send a note on this to the list, and we will try to form a team consensus on the preferred handling, and suggest that more widely. 5. Action items for next week. * Stas: Continue working on the Notification Service Requirements. * Bill: Try to have a mocked-up XML feed available next week?? * Henrik: Help with the mapping of notification elements to Atom * Henrik: Continue working on the WG draft and agenda pages. * Donald: Meet up with Marcia in Minneapolis and get feedback and possibly also some sample data to use as test input for a prototype implementation. 6. Next meeting: Informal meeting during the IETF week: Thursday lunch, meet in the lobby, close to the escalators. Teleconference Wednesday 16 March, 17:00 GMT (same local time as today). --------------------------------------------------------- Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. One can also join the call by dialling: sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. 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Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 2 12:54:53 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA09275; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:54:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6Y4x-0006pQ-Lp; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:56:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6Y3J-0004rD-OZ; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:54:29 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6Y3I-0004r8-Ik for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:54:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA09224 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:54:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from av3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.109]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6Y4T-0006oc-0b for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:55:43 -0500 Received: by av3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id F40A737E4A; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:54:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.164]) by av3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E718437E42; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:54:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h195n1fls311o871.telia.com [213.64.174.195]) by smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D188F37E7A; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 18:54:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D6Y36-0003sF-CU; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:54:16 +0100 Message-ID: <4225FDC8.4040905@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:54:16 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Macintosh/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Rousskov Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Prototype WG pages References: <4225D0F1.1000306@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8b30eb7682a596edff707698f4a80f7d Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF TOOLS X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on 2005-03-02 5:51 pm Alex Rousskov said the following: > On Wed, 2005/03/02 (MST), wrote: > >> Wg Chairs Requests: >> >> + Make the pages static, not script-generated, so that a >> (shallow) snapshot can be take and used off-line > > I do not understand why one cannot take a snapshot of script-generated > pages with something like wget. Can you clarify the problem, please? The request if for snapshots to be available; server load considerations indicate static pages would be better. >> + Add ability for chairs to put a "WGLC" (Working Group Last >> Call) flag on a draft > > Sounds like a job for a different/separate "WG event generation" tool to > me. That tool can/should be linked from WG pages, of course. Yes, agreed that's a better alternative. One temporary option might be to parse the WG list feeds for WG last calls. Will reconsider the options when I get to the point of possibly implementing this. >> + Rsync support > > Would not wget be sufficient? I think it has options to enable rsync-like > behavior. What is the motivation here? 2 points (as made during the conf.call): 1) Rsync is a better and faster protocol for this, and 2) wget would not replicate the meta- data which is available for each WG unless added effort was made to put in links to all the meta-data on the web-pages. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 2 13:44:33 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA12966; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:44:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6Yr1-0007mY-Hu; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:45:51 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6YpS-000314-Nj; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:44:14 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6YpQ-00030u-MD for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:44:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA12895 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:44:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([207.75.164.22]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6Yqa-0007m3-RP for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 13:45:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162821CD643 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:44:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (basie.internet2.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06596-09 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84FB1CD5FB for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:44:03 -0500 (EST) To: tools-team@ietf.org From: stanislav shalunov Date: 02 Mar 2005 13:44:11 -0500 Message-ID: <86u0ntevlw.fsf@abel.internet2.edu> Lines: 71 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by mail.internet2.edu virus scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Subject: [Tools-team] indication of internet-draft status X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 As discussed on the call today, here's a draft of a message to be sent to the general IETF list. To: ietf@ietf.org CC: tools-team@ietf.org Context: The IETF Tools team works on requirements for various automated tools for the IETF. Many of the tools have to deal with internet-drafts; in these cases, the information whether an internet-draft is a working group draft or a personal draft is important. The mechanism by which such information is kept thus needs to be known to the tools and, correspondingly, reflected in the requirements. There appear to be three ways of keeping the information about internet-draft status: 1. Internet-draft name: working group internet-drafts are called "draft-ietf-*", while personal drafts do not match this pattern. For a working group internet-draft, the third component of the file name is the working group abbreviation. When a personal internet-draft becomes a working group item, or when a working group item is no longer one, or when an internet-draft changes the working group, the internet-draft gets republished under a new name. 2. Metadata kept separately: the file name has nothing to do with the status, which is kept separately. The file name is stable and never changes (other than the version number). The working group status is prominently indicated by all tools (in announcement subject lines, etc.). 3. Current situation: technically, (2) (however, name stability isn't enforced or actively encouraged). Informally, (1) for most working groups. Many (most?) participants infer (1). Tools penalize non-"draft-ietf-*" working group internet-drafts by making their working group status less prominent. For the purposes of specifying the requirements for tool development, it is necessary to know which way to keep the information. It is rather obvious that (1) and (2) are both vastly preferable to (3). The choice between (1) and (2) is less clear. Advantages of (1): * simpler; * matches existing expectations of most participants; * makes working group status automatically prominent. Advantages of (2): * cleaner; * allows to track document history better and easier. It appear that the Tools team has a slight preference of (1) in favor of (2) because of the existing convention (but (2) perfectly workable; it would simply require a bit of an education effort). However, (3) appears so much inferior to either (1) or (2) that proponents of (1) and (2) would both be reasonably expected to be willing to compromise so that (3) is avoided. What is the way to keeping the status that the Tools team should use in the requirements for the tools? -- Stanislav Shalunov http://www.internet2.edu/~shalunov/ This message is designed to be viewed upside down. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 2 14:12:05 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA15647; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:12:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6ZHe-0008TF-Iu; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:13:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6ZFd-0007Cb-Sb; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:11:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6ZFc-0007CV-HX for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:11:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA15528 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from av3-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net ([81.228.10.114]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6ZGo-0008QV-Il for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:12:32 -0500 Received: by av3-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id DBD3637E48; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:11:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.183]) by av3-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB6237E42; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:11:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h195n1fls311o871.telia.com [213.64.174.195]) by smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B281C37E47; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:11:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D6ZFQ-0002bh-Si; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 20:11:05 +0100 Message-ID: <42260FC8.4090103@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 20:11:04 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Macintosh/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stanislav shalunov Subject: Re: [Tools-team] indication of internet-draft status References: <86u0ntevlw.fsf@abel.internet2.edu> In-Reply-To: <86u0ntevlw.fsf@abel.internet2.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3a4bc66230659131057bb68ed51598f8 Cc: tools-team@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." 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Henrik On 2005-03-02 7:44 pm stanislav shalunov said the following: > As discussed on the call today, here's a draft of a message to be sent > to the general IETF list. > > To: ietf@ietf.org > CC: tools-team@ietf.org Probably better: CC: tools-discuss@ietf.org > Context: The IETF Tools team works on requirements for various > automated tools for the IETF. Many of the tools have to deal with > internet-drafts; in these cases, the information whether an > internet-draft is a working group draft or a personal draft is > important. The mechanism by which such information is kept thus needs > to be known to the tools and, correspondingly, reflected in the > requirements. > > There appear to be three ways of keeping the information about > internet-draft status: s/three ways/at least three conceivable ways/ > 1. Internet-draft name: working group internet-drafts are called > "draft-ietf-*", while personal drafts do not match this pattern. > For a working group internet-draft, the third component of the file > name is the working group abbreviation. When a personal > internet-draft becomes a working group item, or when a working > group item is no longer one, or when an internet-draft changes the > working group, the internet-draft gets republished under a new > name. First line above: s/are called/are strictly named/ Last line: s/name./name, without exemption. (This could be automated, which would also ensure that the meta-information of which new draft replaces the previous one would be consistently and reliably captured)/ > 2. Metadata kept separately: the file name has nothing to do with the > status, which is kept separately. The file name is stable and > never changes (other than the version number). The working group > status is prominently indicated by all tools (in announcement > subject lines, etc.). > > 3. Current situation: technically, (2) (however, name stability isn't > enforced or actively encouraged). Informally, (1) for most working > groups. Many (most?) participants infer (1). Tools penalize > non-"draft-ietf-*" working group internet-drafts by making their > working group status less prominent. > > For the purposes of specifying the requirements for tool development, > it is necessary to know which way to keep the information. It is > rather obvious that (1) and (2) are both vastly preferable to (3). > The choice between (1) and (2) is less clear. > > Advantages of (1): > > * simpler; > > * matches existing expectations of most participants; > > * makes working group status automatically prominent. > > Advantages of (2): > > * cleaner; > > * allows to track document history better and easier. s/allows to track/allows tracking of/ > It appear that the Tools team has a slight preference of (1) in favor > of (2) because of the existing convention (but (2) perfectly workable; > it would simply require a bit of an education effort). However, (3) > appears so much inferior to either (1) or (2) that proponents of (1) > and (2) would both be reasonably expected to be willing to compromise > so that (3) is avoided. s/but (2) perfectly/but (2) is perfectly/ > What is the way to keeping the status that the Tools team should use > in the requirements for the tools? Maybe rather: With this we would like to raise the question of which way of keeping the status the Tools team should use in the requirements for the tools it is specifying ? --------------enigCFD026B6E6059F84D4DB14D4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFCJg/IeVhrtTJkXCMRAs/9AKDjBRf8pU3WQNEEB3vxNShHGmSH4wCg1Cpa buauRXdzKv9HMfUeaDaavVk= =YXaO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigCFD026B6E6059F84D4DB14D4-- --===============1440131958== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team --===============1440131958==-- From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 2 14:30:28 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA17000; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:30:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6ZZR-0000OK-E9; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:31:45 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6ZVK-0001tP-0Q; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:27:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6ZVJ-0001tK-E7 for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:27:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA16751 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([207.75.164.22]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6ZWV-0000KD-F3 for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:28:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9BF1CD895 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from basie.internet2.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (basie.internet2.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16895-01 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by basie.internet2.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AE41CD887 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:27:25 -0500 (EST) To: tools-team@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-team] indication of internet-draft status References: <86u0ntevlw.fsf@abel.internet2.edu> <42260FC8.4090103@levkowetz.com> From: stanislav shalunov Date: 02 Mar 2005 14:27:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: <42260FC8.4090103@levkowetz.com> Message-ID: <86fyzdetlm.fsf@abel.internet2.edu> Lines: 77 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by mail.internet2.edu virus scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0fa76816851382eb71b0a882ccdc29ac X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b280b4db656c3ca28dd62e5e0b03daa8 Henrik Levkowetz writes: > Looks pretty good to me. Suggestions inline. New version with suggestions included for easier reading: To: ietf@ietf.org CC: tools-discuss@ietf.org Context: The IETF Tools team works on requirements for various automated tools for the IETF. Many of the tools have to deal with internet-drafts; in these cases, the information whether an internet-draft is a working group draft or a personal draft is important. The mechanism by which such information is kept thus needs to be known to the tools and, correspondingly, reflected in the requirements. There appear to be at least three conceivable ways of keeping the information about internet-draft status: 1. Internet-draft name: working group internet-drafts are always named "draft-ietf-*", while personal drafts do not match this pattern. For a working group internet-draft, the third component of the file name is the working group abbreviation. When a personal internet-draft becomes a working group item, or when a working group item is no longer one, or when an internet-draft changes the working group, the internet-draft gets republished under a new name, without exception. (This could be automated in a way that would ensure that name history is consistently and reliably captured.) 2. Metadata kept separately: the file name has nothing to do with the status, which is kept separately. The file name is stable and never changes (other than the version number). The working group status is prominently indicated by all tools (in announcement subject lines, etc.). 3. Current situation: technically, (2) (however, name stability isn't enforced or actively encouraged). Informally, (1) for most working groups. Many (most?) participants infer (1). Tools penalize non-"draft-ietf-*" working group internet-drafts by making their working group status less prominent. For the purposes of specifying the requirements for tool development, it is necessary to know which way to keep the information. It is rather obvious that (1) and (2) are both vastly preferable to (3). The choice between (1) and (2) is less clear. Advantages of (1): * simpler; * matches existing expectations of most participants; * makes working group status automatically prominent. Advantages of (2): * cleaner; * allows tracking of document history better and easier. It appears that the Tools team has a slight preference of (1) in favor of (2) because of the existing convention (but (2) is perfectly workable; it would simply require a bit of an education effort). However, (3) appears so much inferior to either (1) or (2) that proponents of (1) and (2) would both be reasonably expected to be willing to compromise so that (3) is avoided. With this in mind, we would like to raise the question: Which way of keeping the status the Tools team should use in the requirements for the tools it is specifying? -- Stanislav Shalunov http://www.internet2.edu/~shalunov/ Sex is the mathematics urge sublimated. -- M. C. Reed. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 2 14:41:24 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA17956; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6Zk2-0000eN-9l; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:42:42 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6ZiC-0003tJ-5V; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:40:48 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6Zi9-0003t6-Kl; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:40:45 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA17905; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 14:40:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from exprod6og8.obsmtp.com ([64.18.1.128] helo=psmtp.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6ZjM-0000dG-2G; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 14:42:01 -0500 Received: from source ([193.95.148.142]) by exprod6ob8.obsmtp.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:40:40 PST Received: from inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com ([153.32.1.51]) by outbound-smtp-2.corp.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j22JkgTG001570; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from calsj-dev (calsj-dev.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.193]) by inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j22JebBQ010969; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 11:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from MasinterT40 ([130.248.178.65]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0ICQ00K56PBO1T@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com>; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:40:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:40:36 -0800 From: Larry Masinter To: tools-team@ietf.org, "'IETF TOOLS discussion'" Message-id: <0ICQ00K57PBO1T@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcUfX7TH3/Bk2kksQRuJ1e6pgMU/0w== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cc: "'Leslie Daigle'" Subject: [Tools-team] mailing lists X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT A discussion on the uri@w3.org mailing list, discussing an internet draft I'm working on, raised the question: What are the mechanics and infrastructure of @ietf.org mailing lists? Who manages them? How do you get one? What is the policy for granting and maintaining them? How do we do spam-prevention for open mailing lists? Should we offer some other technology (BBS, TWiki, etc.) for public review? This is in the case of establishing an IANA-maintained registry, and supporting the "mailing-list review" process; there are a number of lists already set up or in process for public review of registered values. I wonder if this topic is something that the Tools team would take on. Larry _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 2 16:32:45 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA29381; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:32:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6bTo-0003fS-Ty; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:34:05 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6bS2-0000qn-Cz; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:32:14 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D6bS1-0000qf-65; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:32:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA29264; Wed, 2 Mar 2005 16:32:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from furball.foretec.com ([132.151.15.110] helo=foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D6bTE-0003eM-OC; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:33:29 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.62] (helo=D1GSDG11.foretec.com) by foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1D6bRx-0001Uz-IP; Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:32:09 -0500 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050302161258.0383f690@furball.foretec.com> X-Sender: bfuller@furball.foretec.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 16:25:43 -0500 To: Larry Masinter From: "Barbara B. Fuller" Subject: Re: [Tools-team] mailing lists In-Reply-To: <0ICQ00K57PBO1T@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> References: <0ICQ00K57PBO1T@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 02ec665d00de228c50c93ed6b5e4fc1a Cc: Brian Carpenter , tools-team@ietf.org, tools-discuss@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b4a0a5f5992e2a4954405484e7717d8c Hi Larry: Have you tried the Secretariat's Email List Request Tool (https://datatracker.ietf.org/public/request_list.cgi)? It is a Web-based tool for requesting that an e-mail list be hosted at the ietf.org domain. The tool allows the user to enter all of the information required by the Secretariat to create or move an e-mail list, and to request and obtain approval for the e-mail list, if required. The tool is accessible from the Working Group Chairs Web Page (http://www.ietf.org/IESG/wgchairs.html). We made the tool available to the working group chairs in May 2004, and people have been using it to request mailing lists ever since that time. Regards, Barbara -------------------------------------------------------------------------- At 02:40 PM 3/2/2005, you wrote: >A discussion on the uri@w3.org mailing list, discussing >an internet draft I'm working on, raised the question: > >What are the mechanics and infrastructure of @ietf.org >mailing lists? Who manages them? How do you get one? What >is the policy for granting and maintaining them? How do we >do spam-prevention for open mailing lists? Should we >offer some other technology (BBS, TWiki, etc.) for >public review? > >This is in the case of establishing an IANA-maintained >registry, and supporting the "mailing-list review" >process; there are a number of lists already set up >or in process for public review of registered values. > >I wonder if this topic is something that the Tools >team would take on. > >Larry > > > >_______________________________________________ >Tools-team mailing list >Tools-team@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team ------------------------------------------------ Barbara B. Fuller Acting Executive Director Internet Engineering Task Force Natick, Massachusetts Office: Phone: +1-508-650-4020 Fax: +1-508-650-4639 Reston, Virginia Office: Phone: +1-703-620-9053 Fax: +1-703-620-9071 _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 4 14:31:32 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA23599; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:31:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D7IXy-0003kq-VW; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:33:15 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D7IW3-0001oO-U5; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:31:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D7IW2-0001oF-NS for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:31:14 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA23579 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:31:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from av5-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.112]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D7IXg-0003kC-4j for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:32:56 -0500 Received: by av5-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id AF8ED37E4E; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:31:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.163]) by av5-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A156E37E44 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:31:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h195n1fls311o871.telia.com [213.64.174.195]) by smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DD437E49 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:31:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D7IVs-0004gW-LJ for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:31:04 +0100 Message-ID: <4228B778.4040004@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:31:04 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Macintosh/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060201060901050505050109" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 093efd19b5f651b2707595638f6c4003 Subject: [Tools-team] [Fwd: New tool prototypes] X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 68ba2b07ef271dba6ee42a93832cfa4c This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060201060901050505050109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I should have copied the tools-team list when I sent the attached notification, but I'm afraid I was a bit too tired after some hectic last-night scripting... You've probably seen it on the ietf-announce list by now, but just in case you haven't, herewith the notification. Henrik --------------060201060901050505050109 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="New tool prototypes" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="New tool prototypes" X-Account-Key: account1 Return-path: Envelope-to: henrik@levkowetz.com Delivery-date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:49:12 +0100 Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D7GvH-0007pz-AY for henrik@levkowetz.com; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:49:12 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D7Gqk-0002ez-JV; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:44:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D7Bc7-0001Xt-EB; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:09:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA07662; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 07:09:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from albatross.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.49]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D7Bdg-0000HW-4Q; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 07:10:40 -0500 Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.122]) by albatross.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/WIREfire-1.8b) with ESMTP id j24C75kS003565; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:09:01 +0100 (MET) Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.175]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:09:33 +0100 Received: from [147.214.237.81] ([147.214.237.81]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:09:32 +0100 Message-ID: <42284FBF.1010806@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:08:31 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050116) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, WG Chairs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Mar 2005 12:09:32.0985 (UTC) FILETIME=[067A7290:01C520B3] X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 12:44:25 -0500 Cc: X-BeenThere: ietf-announce@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: ietf-announce.ietf.org List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 132.151.6.71 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org Subject: New tool prototypes X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:36:50 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on shiraz.levkowetz.com) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on shiraz.levkowetz.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 required=2.5 tests=BAYES_00, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Destination-Folder: /home/henrik/Mail//folks/H/Henrik_Levkowetz X-UID: 34707 X-Keywords: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Two prototypes of new tools for the IETF community are now available from the Tools-team website, http://tools.ietf.org/ : 1. Workgroup agenda pages with embedded html links to all drafts and URLs referred to in the agendas: http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/62/ 2. Workgroup status pages showing the current status of the drafts belonging to a workgroup: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ There are links from the html-ized agenda page to both the html-ized WG agendas and to the WG status pages, and links from the WG status pages to the WG agendas. As these are prototypes, they are not expected to be perfect or complete, but they are expected to be useful to the community as-is, and comments on functionality, missing features and bugs are welcome! Comments will be taken as input to specification of full-fledged versions of similar tools, and may also be fed back into the prototypes. Henrik _______________________________________________ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce --------------060201060901050505050109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team --------------060201060901050505050109-- From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 10 12:58:45 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA12292; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:58:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D9Ryi-0005AV-KO; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:01:45 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D9RvH-0006qC-9J; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:58:11 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D9RvF-0006pv-LL for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:58:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA12183 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-red.research.att.com ([192.20.225.110] helo=mail-white.research.att.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D9Ry5-000583-1S for tools-team@ietf.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:01:06 -0500 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-blue.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF3D1974EC for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 12:39:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.12.11/8.12.10/Submit) id j2AHvxpD007840; Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:57:59 -0600 Message-Id: <200503101757.j2AHvxpD007840@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: tools-team@ietf.org Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:57:59 -0600 From: Bill Fenner Versions: dmail (linux) 2.6d/makemail 2.10 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 30ac594df0e66ffa5a93eb4c48bcb014 Subject: [Tools-team] extremely belated regrets for lunch X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 1ac7cc0a4cd376402b85bc1961a86ac2 > Informal meeting during the IETF week: Thursday lunch, meet > in the lobby, close to the escalators. Stas reminded me of this but I ended up with a work conference call that I had to go to. I may not be able to make next Wednesday's call, due to a meeting in DC - sorry :-( Bill _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Fri Mar 11 01:43:49 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA25753; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:43:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D9dvB-0001CE-8F; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:46:53 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D9drn-0000Nw-Ik; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:43:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D9drk-0000Nr-VP for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:43:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA25725 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from av2-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.107]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D9duh-0001Be-8Q for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 01:46:24 -0500 Received: by av2-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 888D937E4E; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:43:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp1-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.177]) by av2-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A86F37E48; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:43:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h195n1fls311o871.telia.com [213.64.174.195]) by smtp1-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C86B3800D; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:43:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1D9drS-0008W6-5C; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 07:43:03 +0100 Message-ID: <42313DF0.5020005@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:42:56 -0600 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Fenner Subject: Re: [Tools-team] extremely belated regrets for lunch References: <200503101757.j2AHvxpD007840@bright.research.att.com> In-Reply-To: <200503101757.j2AHvxpD007840@bright.research.att.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-team@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on 2005-03-10 11:57 am Bill Fenner said the following: >> Informal meeting during the IETF week: Thursday lunch, meet >> in the lobby, close to the escalators. > > Stas reminded me of this but I ended up with a work conference > call that I had to go to. Too bad, but these things happens. > I may not be able to make next Wednesday's > call, due to a meeting in DC - sorry :-( Ok, good to know. Hope the meeting is good :-) Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 16 10:08:45 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28599; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DBaCg-0001pC-OE; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:12:58 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DBa7x-0006ft-EG; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:08:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DBa7v-0006fo-ES for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:08:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA28478 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:08:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from av2-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.108]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DBaBx-0001hs-TH for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:12:15 -0500 Received: by av2-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id BD24637E69; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:07:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp1-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.177]) by av2-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFAE37E4B for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:07:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h195n1fls311o871.telia.com [213.64.174.195]) by smtp1-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D04A3800B for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:07:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DBa7h-0006lo-Fs for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:07:49 +0100 Message-ID: <42384BC3.7030907@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:07:47 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aafa0432175920a4b3e118e16c5cb64 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Agenda for the 16 March 2005 Telechat X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0a7aa2e6e558383d84476dc338324fab Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Here is the proposed agenda for today's meeting. --------------------------------------------------------- 1. Agenda bashing 2. Comments on minutes from last teleconference. 3. Review of secretariat comments on draft submission tool 4. Action item review. * Stas: Continue working on the Notification Service Requirements. * Bill: Try to have a mocked-up XML feed available next week?? * Henrik: Help with the mapping of notification elements to Atom * Henrik: Continue working on the WG draft and agenda pages. * Donald: Meet up with Marcia in Minneapolis and get feedback and possibly also some sample data to use as test input for a prototype implementation. 5. Any other business. 6. Action items for next week. 7. 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Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 16 10:29:00 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA01096; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DBaWH-0002uy-J5; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:33:14 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DBaRV-00028d-PE; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:28:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DBaRT-00028S-MU for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:28:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA01084 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:28:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from av7-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net ([81.228.10.109]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DBaVW-0002oU-JW for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:32:27 -0500 Received: by av7-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 0A47537FE5; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:28:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.183]) by av7-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DC137FE1 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:28:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h195n1fls311o871.telia.com [213.64.174.195]) by smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E03937E51 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:28:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DBaRI-0004BN-9f for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:28:04 +0100 Message-ID: <42385082.7020707@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:28:02 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 46ad68ada464411807db2a0edd5648ae Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Secretariat Comments on draft-ietf-tools-draft-submission-07 X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9c7d7a899dc8f3389bf7ace6f0ad8e29 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, As I've mentioned earlier, we've received comments from the secretariat on the draft, and on Harald's request I met up with Barbara and Mike in Minneapolis to go over their comments. You'll find their comments, with my initial responses below, with added annotations from the meetings inline. Henrik ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Comments on "Requirements for IETF Draft Submission Toolset" >>draft-ietf-tools-draft-submission-07 >>1. Section 3, "Scope" >>Notification and expiration/archiving of old draft versions may be out >>scope for this toolset. However, the toolset must be compatible with the >>Secretariat's tools for sending notifications and creating tombstones. > >Agreed. Ok >>2. Section 4, "Notation and Terminology" >>WG draft: All drafts that are WG drafts begin with "draft-ietf." However, >>not all drafts that begin with "draft-ietf" are working group drafts. (Also >>see comment #6b.) > >The usage of this definition within the requirements document means that >the document does not require that the tool recognize WG drafts on any other >basis than the "draft-ietf-" prefix. If you feel that it is necessary to >use a more complex lookup or algorithm to recognize WG drafts, I think that >would be OK; however I'm not sure that it would actually be necessary for >this tool to have that ability. > >Maybe it would be better to use some other term than "WG Draft" here - maybe >we should call it "A draft following the WG draft naming convention" ... >although that is maybe a bit long ,:-) Agreed to try to find another expression than "WG drafts" for drafts which are named "draft-ietf-", and update the document accordingly. >>3. Section 6, "Overall Toolset Operation" >>(a) Manual adjustment and posting >>It is not clear why manual adjustment of meta-data and manual posting are >>linked. That is, why is it *mandatory* that manual adjustment of meta-data >>be followed by manual posting by the Secretariat? The option to post >>manually should always be available. However, the option to adjust metadata >>and post automatically should also be available. > >Ok, if this is not clear then it needs more explanation in the draft; but >if I briefly try to explain how we have been thinking, then maybe we can see >if this requirement makes sense or not. Below: > >>If the submitter finds an error in the extraction process, i.e., the >>meta-data are stated accurately in the draft but the extracted meta-data are >>incorrect, then the author should be able to correct the errors in the >>extracted meta-data, compare the extracted meta-data to the meta-data in the >>draft, and proceed with the submission when both are accurate and identical. >>If the submitter believes that the extraction process is not functioning >>properly, then the submitter should send a bug report to the Secretariat. >>(Also see comments #10 and #11.) > >Ok, so we have different cases cases: > >1. The meta-data extraction works correctly. In this case, it would be wrong > for the tool to permit any changes to the meta-data; as any such changes > would be undesirable, as the meta-data in the draft and the extracted meta- > data should be in agreement. So > > a) The data in the draft are correct, the meta-data is correct, no > changes should be needed. > > b) The data in the draft are incorrect. The submitter should correct > the draft and return to submit the corrected draft, with correct > meta-information, which will be extracted correctly. Permitting > manual changes to the extracted meta-information instead of > requiring re-submission of a corrected draft would be less > desirable, as the draft would then quite unnecessarily contain > incorrect information. > >2. The meta-data extraction does not work correctly. This is a bug and needs > fixing, and should be bug-reported. In this case, we have 2 possibilities: > > a) Until the extraction bug is fixed, drafts that cannot be handled > correctly by automatic automatic submission has to be forwarded > by the > tool for manual handling (as a human will be able to extract the > meta-information correctly even if the tool cannot do it yet) > > or > > b) We can permit automated posting; but in order to permit automated > posting, we need to i) accept modification of extracted meta-data > and ii) remove the requirement that extracted meta-data match what > is in the draft. > > We see both of these as undesirable, because it opens the door to > mismatching meta-information between data-base and drafts. > It also permits wilful mis-representation, which is not a problem for > genuine IETF submitters, but makes it possible to mis-use the tool in > a manner similar to Wiki Spam: if it is possible to get around the > various checks in the automated tool, it is possible to post spam > ("Advertisements") much more easily, for people who have no > interest in > the IETF, but are willing to do anything to get out their message. > This is not a problem when postings pass through human hands, but > with > a fully automated tool we have to consider this possibility, and > preferably arrange things so that it doesn't become a problem. > >>(NOTE: If the submitter finds an error in the meta-data as stated in the >>draft itself, then the submitter should cancel the submission, correct the >>error, and resubmit. > >Agreed, this makes sense and is what we also had in mind. > >>The Secretariat staff rarely corrects errors in >>meta-data within a draft. If a filename, or version number, or author's name >>is incorrect, then the Secretariat normally asks the submitter to correct the >>error and resubmit the draft. Only when (i) the error is minor, AND (ii) the >>Secretariat staff is 100% certain that it is an error, AND (iii) it is crunch >>time does the staff correct an error within a draft.) > >Makes sense to me! This item took some time to resolve, but in the end it was accepted that automatic submission should not be done if metadata was changed. The tool needs to make clear that the secretariat will not accept meta- data which is different than those given in the draft, so if the extracted data needs tweaking, and there is no extraction error, the data should be corrected in the draft, and the draft re-submitted. >>(b) Hosting the toolset at an open-source-friendly project management site. >>Should "toolset" be changed to "source code"? It does not make sense for >>the toolset to be hosted at such a site since the Secretariat will need to >>modify the toolset from time to time to accommodate changes in procedure, >>requests for new features, etc. > >Quite correct, the intention was to have the source code open, not to host the >tool elsewhere. Should be corrected in the docment. >>4. Section 7, "Upload Page" >>The Secretariat does not currently accept XML submissions. The Secretariat >>can move towards accepting XML submissions in the future. > >Yes. The tools team see this as a policy decision, which has to be made by >the IESG I believe, before it can be put into effect. Agreed. This goes to the IESG. >>5. Section 8, "Check Action" >>(a) The third paragraph states that "It is an error to submit a draft which >>has neither plain text nor XML sources format (R68/a)." The "/a" implies >>that XML format will be included in the phase "a" development. However, >>Section 17, "Implementation Stages," states that development phase "a" >>"focuses on plain text draft submission via the web interface." Focusing >>*only* on plain text draft submission in phase "a" seems appropriate. > >Yes, agreed, this was the intention. Ok >>(b) The third paragraph also states that "PDF- or PostScript-only drafts >>cannot be posted without Secretariat involvement." This statement is not >>clear. First of all, if "it is an error to submit a draft that has neither >>plain text nor XML sources format," then PDF- or PS-only submissions are not >>allowed, and such drafts cannot be posted with or without Secretariat >>involvement. >>The Secretariat currently does not accept "PDF- or PostScript-only" drafts. >>A text version is *always* required. > >Ok. This point was not clear to us. The text should be corrected >accordingly. Ok. Correction needed. >>Furthermore, the Secretariat currently >>does not review PDF or PS submissions to ensure that they are identical to >>the text version. Rather, the staff posts them "as is." If the rules >>change, and PDF- or PS-only drafts are allowed, then they should be >>auto-posted. If PDF and PS drafts continue to be allowed as auxilliary >>formats, AND if the procedures require that the content of these drafts is >>identical to the content of the text versions, then the comparisons should be >>automated as well. > >No objections, makes sense to me. Ok. Check if clarification needed. >>6. Section 8.4, "Extraction" >>(a) The first sentence states that "The toolset extracts meta-data from the >>following stored draft formats: plain text, XML, and other." If either (i) a >>text version of a draft, or (ii) an XML version that can be converted to text >>is always required, then why is it necessary to be able to extract data from >>any format other than text? Only if the rules change, e.g., if PDF- or >>PS-only submissions are permitted, would it be necessary to provide this >>feature. > >Correct. One completely valid way of extracting the meta-data from the XML >file would be to convert it to text and do the extraction there. We don't >want to *require* that it be done this way, however - it's just as fine from a >requirement viewpoint to do extraction directly from XML. Up to the >implementor, really. Ok. Check if clarification needed. >>(b) WG ID and WG flag: The word "tools" in >>draft-ietf-tools-draft-submission-07 is not a WG ID. The tools team is not a >>working group. The WG flag would be "False" for this document. > >Agreed. Ok. Check if clarification needed. >>(c) creation date: Why is it necessary to note the "creation date"? The >>"submission date" is the date that is relevant in this process. The >>submission date is assigned by the system. It is not extracted from the >>draft. (Also see comment #7) > >The idea is to have this part of the document meta-data be in agreement with >the system's view of how long the document is valid. Currently, there is no >check on this, with the result that it is simply not possible to rely on the >expiration date you see when you read a draft - and this is unfortunate... > >We should probably change the document to indicate that it's not really the >creation date, but rather the Expiration date which is given in the draft >which it is desirable to have in reasonable agreement with the system's >view of expiration date. I guess that one reason why it was expressed in >terms of the creation date is that when one uses the xml2rfc tool to create >a document, xml2rfc can calculate both dates for you based on the date when >you generate the text version, so the expiration date indicated in the >document is directly given by the creation date... Ok. Clarification needed in draft? >>(d) expiration date: The expiration date is calculated by the system . It >>is not extracted from the draft. > >Ok. Ok. >>7. Section 8.5.1, "Absolute Requirements" >>Item 7. Once again, why are we concerned about when the draft was created? > >See above. > >>8. Section 8.5.4, "WG Approval" >>WG chair approval is mandatory for posting of version 00 WG drafts. >>Therefore, a mechanism for obtaining WG chair approval for posting of these >>drafts should be included in this toolset. > >My personal viewpoint: Absolutely. Ok. >The team could not agree on exactly what the IETF requirements were on this >point, if any, and has left this open to the implementor, to decide exactly >how to implement this mechanism. > >>9. Section 9.1, "External Meta-Data" >>(a) Submitter email address. If the submitter is not a "lawful submitter," >>then why send the draft to the Secretariat? What action would the >>Secretariat take? Currently, the Secretariat does not make decisions on the >>the lawfulness of a submitter. If the tool determines that a submitter is >>not lawful based on rules established by the IESG, then the submission should >>be rejected. > >Ok. We believed that the secretariat verified (for non -00 drafts) that the >submitter was either one of the authors, or one of the WG chairs or ADs. If >this is incorrect, the IESG will have to decide whether such a check should be >done before this is incorporated in the tool. Harald and Brian in the meeting indicated that they would like to not change the rules for this at this point. For now, there is no such concept as a lawful submitter. The draft needs to be updated, and this requirement removed or described as a possible future enhancement. >>(b) List of drafts obsoleted by this draft. An RFC can be "obsoleted" by >>another RFC. However, an Internet-Draft cannot be "obsoleted" by another >>Internet-Draft. It can only be "replaced" by another Internet-Draft. RFCs >>are archival documents and exist in perpetuity. Therefore, when its content >>is no longer valid, an RFC can be declared "obsolete." Internet-Drafts >>(theoretically) have finite lifespans. That is, an Internet-Draft that is no >>longer valid disappears when it expires. If an Internet-Draft is declared no >>longer valid before it expires, then it can be "withdrawn" or >>"replaced." > >Right. I believe this is just bad terminology in the draft - should probably >be re-written to use "removed" and/or "replaced. Ok. >>(c) Indicating that an Internet-Draft replaces another Internet-Draft >>should not be optional...it should be mandatory. The submitter must indicate >>if an Internet-Draft replaces another Internet-Draft. > >Agreed. Ok. >>10. Section 12, "Adjust Page" >>If automated extraction fails to extract the correct information, then the >>submitter should be allowed to adjust the meta-data, confirm that the data in >>the draft now match the "adjusted" extracted meta-data, and automatically >>post the draft. If the submitter believes that the extraction process is not >>functioning properly, then the submitter should send a bug report to the >>Secretariat. > >No, we see this as undesirable. We believe that it is better that the >submitter >corrects the draft if the meta-information in the draft is incorrect, or >submits a bug-report if the meta-information extraction does not work >correctly; and in this case lets the tool forward the submission to the >secretariat for manual verification of the corrected meta-data against the >meta-data in the draft. Accepted. >>11. Section 13, "Post Manually Action" >>The "post manually" action should always be available, and should be used >>if the automated posting process is not functioning properly. However, the >>Secretariat does not make exceptions with respect to the posting of >>Internet-Drafts. If an Internet-Draft is non-compliant, then the staff >>rejects it. Therefore, if an Internet-Draft is non-compliant, then the >>submitter should not attempt to circumvent rejection by sending the draft >>directly to the Secretariat. As long as the toolset is working, an >>Internet-Draft can be posted automatically. If the toolset is not working, >>then all Internet-Drafts must be posted manually...and the Secretariat should >>receive lots of bug reports!! > >Agreed. This agrees with the intention of the requirements document, but may >be insufficiently clearly stated there. Ok. Check if clarification needed in document. >>12. Section 15, "Bypassing the Toolset" >>One hopes that the number of "unusual" Internet-Drafts or the frequency of >>"unusual" circumstances would be small. The Secretariat will post manually >>if the submitter requests the Secretariat to do so, or when automatic posting >>fails. However, if automatic posting fails because a draft is non-compliant, >>then the Secretariat will not post the draft manually either. > >Again, agreed :-) Ok. > > Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 16 12:12:17 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA11465; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:12:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DBc8G-0000R1-FD; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:16:32 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DBc15-0006Mh-GC; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:09:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DBc14-0006Mc-Nk for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:09:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA10812 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from av9-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net ([81.228.10.107]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DBc56-0000DH-72 for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:13:19 -0500 Received: by av9-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id B472F37FF5; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:08:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.183]) by av9-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D5237FB9 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:08:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h195n1fls311o871.telia.com [213.64.174.195]) by smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD3837E47 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:08:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DBc0p-0003DR-EU for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:08:51 +0100 Message-ID: <42386823.501@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 18:08:51 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Teleconf? X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's getting close to 17:10 GMT, and I'm the only one on the call. Which of course makes me wonder if I've made some fundamental mistake in timing or whatnot ,;-) Anyway, I'll wait till 17:10 GMT, and then disconnect if no one else shows up. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 16 13:07:25 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA16826; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:07:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DBczd-0003X2-PQ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:11:41 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DBcvS-0005Tm-Gg; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:07:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DBcvQ-0005Te-F5 for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:07:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA16808 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:07:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from measurement-factory.com ([206.168.0.5]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DBczT-0003Wj-NX for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:11:33 -0500 Received: from pail.measurement-factory.com (nat.measurement-factory.com [206.168.0.3]) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j2GI7E3a017913; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:07:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) To: "Henrik Levkowetz" , "IETF TOOLS" Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Teleconf? References: <42386823.501@levkowetz.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:06:29 -0700 From: "Alex Rousskov" Organization: The Measurement Factory Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <42386823.501@levkowetz.com> User-Agent: Opera M2/7.54 (FreeBSD, build 955) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 2005/03/16 (MST), wrote: > It's getting close to 17:10 GMT, and I'm the only one on the call. > Which of course makes me wonder if I've made some fundamental mistake > in timing or whatnot ,;-) > > Anyway, I'll wait till 17:10 GMT, and then disconnect if no one else > shows up. Henrik, I missed the call :-(. I have upgraded the OS on my workstation and did not install the reminder program. My apologies. Alex. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 16 13:25:55 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18876; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DBdHX-0004jG-JR; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:30:11 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DBdCV-0001mv-AT; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:24:59 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DBdCU-0001mq-4x for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:24:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18799 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from exprod6og4.obsmtp.com ([64.18.1.124] helo=psmtp.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DBdGX-0004bs-Lz for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 13:29:11 -0500 Received: from source ([192.150.20.142]) by exprod6ob4.obsmtp.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:24:53 PST Received: from inner-relay-3.corp.adobe.com ([153.32.251.51]) by outbound-smtp-2.corp.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2GIUtSh024688 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:30:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from calsj-dev (calsj-dev.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.193]) by inner-relay-3.corp.adobe.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j2GIO31F012247 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:24:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from MasinterT40 ([130.248.178.104]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.21 (built Sep 8 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IDG00HEMJ4V41@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:24:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 10:24:31 -0800 From: Larry Masinter Subject: RE: [Tools-team] Teleconf? In-reply-to: To: "'IETF TOOLS'" Message-id: <0IDG00HENJ4V41@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcUqUwS7liaZXw35RuqoY/sH+c+CLwAAks2w X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7a6398bf8aaeabc7a7bb696b6b0a2aad Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I have a regular conflict now with the scheduled time, so I haven't been making the phone calls. I still follow the mailing list. Larry _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 17 06:46:35 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA13869; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:46:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DBtWT-0002ny-BO; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:51:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DBtS2-0004og-Hp; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:46:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DBtS1-0004ob-HB for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:46:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA13834 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:46:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from penguin.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.47]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DBtVu-0002nG-QX for tools-team@ietf.org; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 06:50:28 -0500 Received: from esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.120]) by penguin.ericsson.se (8.12.10/8.12.10/WIREfire-1.8b) with ESMTP id j2HBjeh5023268; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:45:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from [147.214.237.81] (minint-vk54fs7j [147.214.237.81]) by esealnt610.al.sw.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id HB8K5DMX; Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:45:40 +0100 Message-ID: <42396DD2.9040102@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:45:22 +0100 X-Sybari-Trust: 41a20f15 2f775167 6055023b 00000139 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050116) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Rousskov Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Teleconf? References: <42386823.501@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7bac9cb154eb5790ae3b2913587a40de Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF TOOLS X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 03/16/2005 07:06 PM Alex Rousskov said the following: > I missed the call :-(. I have upgraded the OS on my workstation and > did not install the reminder program. My apologies. Ok. We'll catch up next week. Stas and Donald also couldn't make it, and I didn't check my mail just before the call so didn't notice this until I'd sent my note. Coincidences sometimes happen ,:-) Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 23 11:37:25 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA03840; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DE8wm-0002nw-Od; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:43:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DE8nX-00089G-P2; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:33:35 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DE8nW-00089A-EM for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:33:34 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA03161 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:33:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from av3-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net ([81.228.10.113]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DE8t0-0002dx-SP for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:39:16 -0500 Received: by av3-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 8513137E79; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:33:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.183]) by av3-2-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B1A37E6B for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:33:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h195n1fls311o871.telia.com [213.64.174.195]) by smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FA237E42 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:33:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DE8nL-0004TH-9N for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:33:23 +0100 Message-ID: <42419A52.30609@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 17:33:22 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Agenda for the 23 March 2005 Telechat X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f607d15ccc2bc4eaf3ade8ffa8af02a0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Here is the proposed agenda for today's meeting. --------------------------------------------------------- 1. Agenda bashing 2. Comments on minutes from last teleconference. 3. Review of secretariat comments on draft submission tool 4. Action item review. * Stas: Continue working on the Notification Service Requirements. * Bill: Try to have a mocked-up XML feed available next week?? * Henrik: Help with the mapping of notification elements to Atom * Henrik: Continue working on the WG draft and agenda pages. * Donald: Meet up with Marcia in Minneapolis and get feedback and possibly also some sample data to use as test input for a prototype implementation. 5. Any other business. 6. Action items for next week. 7. Next meeting: Teleconference Wednesday 30 March, 17:00 GMT (same local time as today in the US, one hour later in Europe). --------------------------------------------------------- Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. One can also join the call by dialling: sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 23 13:01:53 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA13497; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:01:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DEAGY-0005UP-Fd; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:07:38 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DEAA2-0007fD-15; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:00:54 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DEAA0-0007eI-Cy for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:00:52 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA13266 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from av4-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.112]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DEAFU-0005Rv-Sz for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:06:34 -0500 Received: by av4-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id EA52437EC5; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:00:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp1-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.177]) by av4-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC21137E86 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:00:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h195n1fls311o871.telia.com [213.64.174.195]) by smtp1-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C150538003 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:00:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DEA9o-0005wR-FZ for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:00:40 +0100 Message-ID: <4241AEC7.1030404@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:00:39 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 932cba6e0228cc603da43d861a7e09d8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 23 March 2005 Telechat X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2ed806e2f53ff1a061ad4f97e00345ac Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Here are the minutes from today's meeting. --------------------------------------------------------- 0. Present: Bill, Henrik, Donald, Alex 1. Agenda bashing Skipping #.3 while Alex not here Bill has built an ad-hoc notification system for the proto advisor; would like a little bit of time in connection with this. Added item 2.a. 2. Comments on minutes from last teleconference. None 2.a Notification system extension. The proto manager needed something more complex than what is currently in the event draft. The notifications required are any document changes moving from either side of 'Publication Requested' to the other side. Document can go from "ID Exists" to "AD:Evaluation" without explicitly landing in "Publication Requested". We should not have a specific query just for this, but maybe go directly to something like Xquery, which is a very powerful query tool. Avri requested a similar tool for Area Review Teams, where event notifications should be triggered by a document entering IETF last call, and should be sent round-robin, randomly or in some other fashion to the area reviewers. They should have the option of declining, in which case the notification should be sent to someone else. This should probably not be part of the event notification tool itself, but would be built on events generated by the tool. Fred Baker would like to input document events trough the WG pages. This points to us thinking in terms of defining a well-defined open interface to the tracker, so that event inputs can be received from other tools, not just from the tracker-specific human interface. 3. Review of secretariat comments on draft submission tool Most things seem clear. Clarification on two issues: For the "lawful submitter" requirements, keep them in the draft as possible future enhancements, but not as active requirements on the tool. Before they can go in, there has to be a policy decision to add such checks. This does not affect the -00 draft checking. Use of the expression "WG drafts" as referring to drafts named draft-ietf- is not quite correct, and a different expression is needed. Alex suggested "Group drafts". Alex will go through the comments and update the draft to be clearer as needed, and do the few content changes needed. 4. Action item review. * Stas: Continue working on the Notification Service Requirements. - * Henrik: Help with the mapping of notification elements to Atom Not Done. * Henrik: Continue working on the WG draft and agenda pages. Prototypes released Friday before IETF-62. Well received. * Donald: Meet up with Marcia in Minneapolis and get feedback and possibly also some sample data to use as test input for a prototype implementation. Donald got raw data from Marcia, from IETF-62, which is good but also presents some extra work before it can be useful, because it is not well structured or formatted. There was also the realization that the Secretariat would benefit quite a bit from just having an interface which collected well-formed data for the scheduling process; so it makes sense to build such an interface before we have a prototype for the complete tool. 5. Any other business. Alex: Question on draft information draft: what is next step. ==> Review of the draft. 6. Action items for next week. * All: Review draft-ietf-tools-draft-info-01.txt - comments to the list. Alex needs feedback before being able to continue work on this. * Stas: Continue working on the Notification Service Requirements. * Alex: Do a new rev. of the draft submission draft early next week, based on the secretariat comments. Questions to the list if there is anything which is not clear in the notes sent to the list last week. * Henrik: Help with the mapping of notification elements to Atom * Henrik: Continue working on the WG draft and agenda pages at a slower pace. * Donald: Continue work on the scheduling tool prototype 7. Next meeting: Teleconference Wednesday 30 March, 17:00 GMT (same local time as today in the US, one hour later in Europe). --------------------------------------------------------- Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. One can also join the call by dialling: sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 23 18:43:46 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA08386; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DEFbS-0003tg-Si; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:49:35 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DEFUK-0005Vx-UL; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:42:12 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DEFUJ-0005Vh-HO for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:42:11 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA08298 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from av1-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.108]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DEFZq-0003pZ-9x for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Mar 2005 18:47:56 -0500 Received: by av1-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id CA86837E52; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:41:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.164]) by av1-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B897037E51; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:41:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h195n1fls311o871.telia.com [213.64.174.195]) by smtp3-2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246E537E44; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:41:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1DEFU3-00009L-Os; Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:41:55 +0100 Message-ID: <4241FEC3.2000302@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:41:55 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 86f85b2f88b0d50615aed44a7f9e33c7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] draft-ietf-tools-draft-info-01.txt X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f2984bf50fb52a9e56055f779793d783 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Alex, I've gone through the draft, and noted down some comments. The draft text with comments inline are here: http://ietf.levkowetz.com/tools/rfcmarkup/rfcmarkup.cgi?url=../../reviews/review-ietf-tools-draft-info-01.txt&comments=HENRIK I've extracted the comments and included them below, too, but find the webpage format more accessible... Henrik --------------------------------------------------------------------- HENRIK: In addition to the inline comments, there's one thing I miss: A defined XML schema in some form (Relax-NG, by example, or whatever) in which the information defined here has to be provided. Section 3., para. 1: The document scope is a single Internet-Draft, including multiple versions and formats of the same draft. Requirements cover submitted, posted, published, expired, and unknown personal or Working Group drafts. HENRIK: s/Requirements/The requirements/ Section 4., para. 1: The following terms are to be interpreted according to their definitions below. [[XXX2: Should we just refer to draft-ietf-tools-draft-submission, which has the same definitions? --Alex]] HENRIK: Nope. There isn't that many of these, no problem repeating the information here. HENRIK: I'd propose a simpler intro, something like: "Here follows definitions for some terms which are frequently used in this document." Section 4., para. 2: posted draft: A draft accepted into public IETF draft repository and, hence, publicly available on IETF web site. HENRIK: s/IETF/the IETF/ Section 4., para. 6: WG draft: A draft which identifier (a.k.a. filename) is known and starts with "draft-ietf-". HENRIK: Maybe s/A draft which/A draft for which the/ (if this definition stays...) Section 4., para. 7: individual draft: A draft other than a WG draft. HENRIK: Depending on what is actually meant, the above two definitions may need changing. However, more to the point may be that a grep didn't find any of these terms later in the document ... Section 5., para. 4: HENRIK: Maybe add these sources: * IETF list of current and expired drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/all_id.txt: Provides draft name, version, date, status. Format: tab-separated text * IETF index of active drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/1id-index.txt: Provides title, authors, date, name and wg for active drafts. Format: Free-form text. * IETF abstracts from active drafts: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/1id-abstracts.txt: Provides title, authors, date, name, abstract and wg for active drafts. Format: Free-form text. o Henrik Levkowetz "Workgroup draft pages" [3]: Provides draft name, date, all draft versions, diffs, nits, various draft formats, and last call information. Format: XHTML. Section 5., para. 6: HENRIK: Better replace both of the above with the more comprehensive resource at http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ now. o Potaroo Internet Drafts Repository [5]: Provides draft name, date, author names, WG name, abstract. Includes expired drafts. Format: HTML. Section 6., para. 7: In addition to the above information, a "notify me when this draft changes" functionality should eventually be supported. It may also be useful to supplement the above data with a pointer to the "IESG draft discussion" tracking page, especially for drafts already submitted for publication. Details of these features are outside of this document scope. HENRIK: Maybe it's not necessary to go into this as we're working on the event notification draft currently Section 6.1, para. 1: Draft identifier is a string that uniquely identifies any IETF draft regardless of version or status. At the time of writing, draft name can be used as an identifier, but implementations must not rely on that being the case. For example, future implementations may be able to keep the same identifier for a draft that changes ownership from individual to WG. HENRIK: Umm - a case could be made for that indeed being the same draft, then... Section 6.2, para. 8: o "obsoletes X" or "renamed to Y" information HENRIK: "obsoletes X" is right if "X" is a draft - but there may be more meta-information here: * Obsoletes RFC NNNN (if approved and published) * Updates RFC NNNN (if approved and published) HENRIK: add: o Abstract Section 6.2, para. 9: Draft metadata applies to the draft as a whole rather than specific draft version. Nevertheless, it is based on the latest draft version and, hence, may change with draft revisions. For example, the title may be extracted from the latest draft version. HENRIK: s/than specific/than a specific/ Section 6.2, para. 11: [[XXX3: If we explicitly list title, should we also list abstract? Moreover, should we list any fields that are meant-to-be extractable from the latest draft version? --Alex]] HENRIK: Abstract is already provided as meta-data in the 1id-abstract.txt file, so it makes sense to include it. As for other fields - we'd have to do that on a case-by-case judgment, I think. Any specific ones you were thinking of? Section 6.3, para. 0: HENRIK: There's more here: Major status is either: * Active * Expired * Published * Replaced * Withdrawn In Active and Expired, there may also be a minor status (which may have sub-states); one of these: - AD Evaluation - AD is watching - Approved-announcement sent - Approved-announcement to be sent - DNP-waiting for AD note - Dead - Expert Review - IESG Evaluation - In Last Call - Publication Requested - RFC Ed Queue - Waiting for AD Go-Ahead - Waiting for Writeup In Published, there is supplementary information: the RFC number. In Replaced, there is supplementary information: the Replacement. 6.3 Draft versions Section 6.5, para. 1: Draft events information includes a list of all issued IETF events associated with the draft. This document does not define an IETF event interface, but typical entries might include "new draft version available" and "WG last call issued". HENRIK: Add details about what is included in this. At least, I think: * Date of event * Old State * New State * Originator of state change * Supplementary / explanatory notes _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 30 10:58:00 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA12056; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DGfgu-0003lD-VG; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:05:13 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGfZa-000443-BD; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:57:38 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGfZZ-00043x-7P for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:57:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11998 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net ([81.228.10.108]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DGfgU-0003jv-Dd for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:04:47 -0500 Received: by av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 7F28837E68; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:57:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net [81.228.10.183]) by av9-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E23137E46 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:57:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h195n1fls311o871.telia.com [213.64.174.195]) by smtp2-1-sn4.m-sp.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB7D37E42 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:57:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DGfZF-0008P4-0C for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:57:17 +0200 Message-ID: <424ACC5C.2030100@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:57:16 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52f7a77164458f8c7b36b66787c853da Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Agenda for the 30 March 2005 Telechat X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b800b1eab964a31702fa68f1ff0e955 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Here is the proposed agenda for today's meeting. --------------------------------------------------------- 1. Agenda bashing 2. Comments on minutes from last teleconference. 3. New minor tool: Draft archive with stable draft references ? http://tools.ietf.org/id/ 4. Action item review. * All: Review draft-ietf-tools-draft-info-01.txt - comments to the list. Alex needs feedback before being able to continue work on this. * Stas: Continue working on the Notification Service Requirements. * Alex: Do a new rev. of the draft submission draft early next week, based on the secretariat comments. Questions to the list if there is anything which is not clear in the notes sent to the list last week. * Henrik: Help with the mapping of notification elements to Atom * Henrik: Continue working on the WG draft and agenda pages at a slower pace. * Donald: Continue work on the scheduling tool prototype 5. Any other business. 6. Action items for next week. 7. Next meeting: Teleconference Wednesday 6 April, 17:00 GMT (same local time as today). --------------------------------------------------------- Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. One can also join the call by dialling: sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Mar 30 11:11:23 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA13618; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:11:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DGftr-000457-Mm; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:18:36 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGfmJ-0006AI-SV; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:10:47 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DGfmH-0006A2-CA for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:10:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA13464 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from motgate2.mot.com ([144.189.100.101]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DGftA-00043f-JI for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:17:54 -0500 Received: from il06exr02.mot.com (il06exr02.mot.com [129.188.137.132]) by motgate2.mot.com (8.12.11/Motgate2) with ESMTP id j2UGIfe6019412 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 09:18:42 -0700 (MST) Received: from ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com (ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com [10.14.33.5]) by il06exr02.mot.com (8.13.1/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j2UGCEEs022916 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:12:14 -0600 (CST) Received: by ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <1LP642PJ>; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:10:34 -0500 Message-ID: <62173B970AE0A044AED8723C3BCF238105CD4658@ma19exm01.e6.bcs.mot.com> From: Eastlake III Donald-LDE008 To: IETF TOOLS Subject: Meeting Room Scheduling RE: [Tools-team] Agenda for the 30 March 2005 Telechat Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 11:10:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C53542.F0D09AA6" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 28adfdfeb3b69a8c1fb469b1c327fd44 X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e4e7b084ad5ab70bec6636d1707b49c1 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C53542.F0D09AA6 Content-Type: text/plain I will not be able to make the call today due to some deadlines that fall tomorrow but I have revised the requrements document, including completely changing the "next step", based on the input received from the Secretariat in Minneapolis. See attached (also pasted below as text). Thanks, Donald ========================================================= Donald E. Eastlake III Donald.Eastlake@Motorola.com Motorola Laboratories +1-508-786-7554 (work) 111 Locke Drive +1-508-634-2066 (home) Marlboro, MA 01752 USA Meeting Room Scheduler - Requirements v3 30 March 2005 Donald Eastlake 3rd This version incorporated inputs from the Secretariat, Harald Alvestrand, and others. Inputs: Required: * Room slots available (times and capacities) * Room requests by chairs (number of sessions, duration, and number of participants) Theoretically Optional but Expected: * Lists of other meeting to not-conflict with by o Area Directors (defaults to the WGs and BoFs that AD is responsible for) o Chairs * Day of week and time of day requests by o ADs (should be rare) o Chairs Optional: * Manual assignments (used to meet special requirements) * Existing schedule (so changes can be minimized on iterations after first announced schedule) * Chair provided list of desired attending ADs at a session * AD and Chair requests for o "not same day" meetings o "near" meetings o ordering requests (lists of meeting it would be desirable to follow/precede) * Attendee requests for (not currently collected but could be added to registration where attendees could list what/when they would like to attend to provide better schedules and better room size estimates) o Non-conflict requests o Day of week requests Outputs: * A schedule * A goodness metric, so quality of schedule for different meetings can be compared and perhaps to provide push back that more room slots are needed or the like Processing: * Option 1: Assuming a function that yields a goodness score for a schedule, assign rooms in a heuristically fashion to optimize that score. This is essentially a batch process. The design of this function is an interesting question and requires weighting of the importance of the different inputs. A variety of functions and parameter values should be tried. * Option 2: Assume participants are giving a certain amount of fake currency and are permitted to bid any amount up to all they have to obtain certain schedule properties. This is essentially a continuous on-line process. Many variations are possible. The currency involved in the bids for a property is frozen when the schedule conforms to that property but is released if the schedule changes to no longer have that property. Is losing bid currency available for reallocation by the bidder? How is increasing stability assured as the meeting approaches? Does some part of unused currency from a meeting hold over to the next meeting? * Various hybrids of 1 and 2 are possible. Assumptions: * Massive single track events (plenary meetings and social) will be scheduled by a separate manual process and not included in room slots available or room requests. * Special events, whether one short or continuing (IESG, WG Chairs, Area Directorate Luncheons, PGP Signing, ...) will be scheduled by a separate manual process and not included in room slots available or room requests. Discussion: Discussion with the Secretariat indicates that a primary current problem is the inconsistent format and incompleteness of requests. The process could be substantially improved merely with a good web request interface even without the actual automated scheduling. Option 1 above is pretty much from the point of view of automating the current manual process. Option 2 is more of a bidding or voting model in which ADs would have more currency/votes than Chairs who would in turn have more than attendees (assuming attendees are added to the mix at some point). 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[81.228.11.163]) by av5-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F2C37E48 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:30:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (h195n1fls311o871.telia.com [213.64.174.195]) by smtp3-1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8E637E46 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:30:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DGh1p-00024k-96 for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:30:54 +0200 Message-ID: <424AE24C.3050402@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:30:52 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 14582b0692e7f70ce7111d04db3781c8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 30 March 2005 Telechat X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6e922792024732fb1bb6f346e63517e4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Here are the minutes from today's meeting. --------------------------------------------------------- 1. Agenda bashing Alex' 2nd action item a bit mis-formulated Bill asked about knowledge about the liaison tool. Fred baker was working on something. No knowledge among the tools team about the tool apart from that. 2. Comments on minutes from last teleconference. Nothing (apart from Alex' action item mis-formulated) 3. New minor tool: Draft archive with stable draft references ? http://tools.ietf.org/id/ Alex: * Good that this has been created - was surprised that it did not exist earlier, when I started IETF work * Title is wrong - provides stable URL, but is much more than that. What is the essence of the tool? Should probably be called something else * Major: Wrong by design to output draft text when the URL is generic. In that case the page should have some kind of a header, saying "You are looking at the most recent version of draft-...." 4. Action item review. * All: Review draft-ietf-tools-draft-info-01.txt - comments to the list. Alex needs feedback before being able to continue work on this. Comments received from Henrik. Will try to apply most comments during the coming week. * Stas: Continue working on the Notification Service Requirements. - * Alex: Do a new rev. of the draft submission draft early next week, based on the secretariat comments. Questions to the list if there is anything which is not clear in the notes sent to the list last week. Was not really supposed to start for sure before today, this was mis-understanding from last meeting. Hopefully should be able to work on this during this week. * Henrik: Help with the mapping of notification elements to Atom - * Henrik: Continue working on the WG draft and agenda pages at a slower pace. Minor fixes and tweaks only * Donald: Continue work on the scheduling tool prototype Work continues, new requirements document sent to the list today 5. Any other business. Nope 6. Action items for next week. 7. Next meeting: Teleconference Wednesday 6 April, 17:00 GMT (same local time as today). --------------------------------------------------------- Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. One can also join the call by dialling: sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Thu Mar 31 10:49:03 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05481; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DH220-0003XT-Rt; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:56:29 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DH1tk-0005QZ-UW; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:47:56 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DH1tj-0005QR-TZ for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:47:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA05410 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:47:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from furball.foretec.com ([132.151.15.110] helo=foretec.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DH20s-0003W5-4m for tools-team@ietf.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:55:19 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.62] (helo=D1GSDG11.foretec.com) by foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DH1tg-0002f4-4y; Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:47:52 -0500 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050331103821.02b07af0@furball.foretec.com> X-Sender: bfuller@furball.foretec.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:46:38 -0500 To: Henrik Levkowetz From: "Barbara B. Fuller" Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 30 March 2005 Telechat In-Reply-To: <424AE24C.3050402@levkowetz.com> References: <424AE24C.3050402@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b19722fc8d3865b147c75ae2495625f2 Cc: Leslie Daigle , Michael Lee , tools-team@ietf.org, "Amy K. Vezza" X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Hi Henrik: At 12:30 PM 3/30/2005, you wrote: > Bill asked about knowledge about the liaison tool. > Fred baker was working on something. No knowledge > among the tools team about the tool apart from that. The initial version of the Liasion Statement Posting Tool was developed by the Secretariat with guidance from Fred Baker. It was put "on hold" in order to resolve some policy-related issues that might affect certain features. My understanding is that the Secretariat will resume work on the tool when directed to do so by Leslie Daigle. Regards, Barbara ------------------------------------------------ Barbara B. Fuller Acting Executive Director Internet Engineering Task Force Natick, Massachusetts Office: Phone: +1-508-650-4020 Fax: +1-508-650-4639 Reston, Virginia Office: Phone: +1-703-620-9053 Fax: +1-703-620-9071 _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team