From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 08 08:51:38 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dg01y-0004gr-Mx; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:51:38 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dg01w-0004fi-Bo for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 08:51:36 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA23610 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 08:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.183]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Dg0N9-00031C-D5 for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:13:34 -0400 Received: by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id B501138131; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:51:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6173A3827C for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:51:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5149637E57 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:51:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Dg01S-0000bM-VV for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:51:07 +0200 Message-ID: <42A6E9BA.3050300@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:51:06 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Agenda for 8 June 2005 Telechat X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi, We'll have a shorter than usual meeting today. --------------------------------------------------------- 1. Agenda bashing 2. Quick status summary 3. Any other Business 4. Next meeting: Teleconference Wednesday 22 June, 16:00 GMT (same local time as today). --------------------------------------------------------- Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. One can also join the call by dialling: sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 08 12:29:55 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dg3RD-0001BY-4J; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:29:55 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dg3RB-0001BT-Qa for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:29:53 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14816 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from measurement-factory.com ([206.168.0.5]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Dg3mS-0000MT-Ty for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:51:54 -0400 Received: from pail.measurement-factory.com (nat.measurement-factory.com [206.168.0.3]) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j58GTg3a037189; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 10:29:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) To: "Henrik Levkowetz" , "IETF TOOLS" Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Agenda for 8 June 2005 Telechat References: <42A6E9BA.3050300@levkowetz.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 10:28:00 -0600 From: "Alex Rousskov" Organization: The Measurement Factory Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <42A6E9BA.3050300@levkowetz.com> User-Agent: Opera M2/8.0 (FreeBSD, build 1095) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ffa9dfbbe7cc58b3fa6b8ae3e57b0aa3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org I was too late to join the call :-(. My apologies. I have nothing big to report. It looks like ID Submission draft got approved. I plan to resume work on the ID Info draft this weekend. Alex. On Wed, 2005/06/08 (MDT), wrote: > Hi, > > We'll have a shorter than usual meeting today. > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > 1. Agenda bashing > > 2. Quick status summary > > 3. Any other Business > > 4. Next meeting: > > Teleconference Wednesday 22 June, 16:00 GMT (same local time as > today). _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 08 12:42:46 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dg3de-0003Mx-M4; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:42:46 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dg3dc-0003Ms-Um for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:42:45 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA15728 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.170.207]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Dg3yu-0000cm-81 for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:04:45 -0400 Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z35so130992rne for ; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:42:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qMo/p/1z1VclHe/TmFW4qCH+cam5NbObvjuFZGGCOA28Ax7t59rVgYJGhDhF4aWTXT1yjg3HFh+BngwcaDo+Pnekt7eb0kANuxFstWE5SANhRRtQfAUFJHv7QD3GRM1IHzMGdCZn/3eXsV4a5uc7DLQJGeXEylIUlZZ7n7akO/4= Received: by 10.11.88.49 with SMTP id l49mr101383cwb; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.116.23 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 09:42:40 -0700 From: Larry Masinter To: Alex Rousskov In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <42A6E9BA.3050300@levkowetz.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 01485d64dfa90b45a74269b3ca9d5574 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: IETF TOOLS , Henrik Levkowetz Subject: [Tools-team] Re: Agenda for 8 June 2005 Telechat X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: LMM@acm.org List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Watching newtrk, I think it would help a lot to start on 'rfc/std info' tools - infrastructure to help both ietf-ers and others to find better information about standards track items. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 09 15:13:02 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DgSSc-0007NP-Is; Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:13:02 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dg3JN-0007ba-N5; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:21:49 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA14172; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-dark.research.att.com ([192.20.225.112] helo=mail-yellow.research.att.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Dg3ef-00007C-Lu; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:43:49 -0400 Received: from bright.research.att.com (bright.research.att.com [135.207.20.189]) by mail-green.research.att.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E85BA7B83; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by bright.research.att.com (8.12.11/8.12.10/Submit) id j58GLeNO029362; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:21:40 -0400 Message-Id: <200506081621.j58GLeNO029362@bright.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: tools-discuss@ietf.org Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:21:39 -0400 From: Bill Fenner Versions: dmail (linux) 2.6d/makemail 2.10 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10d3e4e3c32e363f129e380e644649be X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:13:01 -0400 Cc: Subject: [Tools-team] FYI: Document Action: 'Requirements for an IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org ----- Begin forwarded message: From: The IESG Subject: Document Action: 'Requirements for an IETF Draft Submission Toolset' to Informational RFC Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:55:56 -0400 To: IETF-Announce Cc: Internet Architecture Board , RFC Editor The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Requirements for an IETF Draft Submission Toolset ' as an Informational RFC This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an IETF Working Group. The IESG contact person is Brian Carpenter. Technical Summary This document specifies requirements for a toolset to support Internet-Draft submission, validation and posting. TOOLS Team Summary This is the result of discussion in the TOOLS team and significant public comment during IETF Last Call. The requirements and their priorities represent rough consensus among the participants. Technical Quality Brian Carpenter reviewed the specification. It has not been implemented but appears to be implementable. Note to RFC Editor In Section 6. Overall Toolset operation: OLD: The Toolset sources should be publicly available (R152/b) under a license certified by the Open Source Initiative [OSI] (R144/a), with an interface to report bugs and request enhancements (R145/b). These requirements are meant to enable the Toolset transfer from one management team to another and to allow for public review and contribution. To meaningfully satisfy these availability requirements, the Toolset has to implement the required functionality without relying on software with different availability conditions. NEW: It must be possible to transfer the Toolset from one management team to another, to incorporate work by volunteers, and to allow for public review of the developed code. To meet these goals, the Toolset source codes should be publicly available (R152/b) and there should be an interface to report bugs and request enhancements (R145/b). Development should be structured to avoid lock-in to proprietary platforms or backends. The tools team believes that developing the Toolset sources under one or more open source licenses following the Open Source Definition [OSD] would provide an effective way of meeting these requirements at reasonable cost. Care should be taken that the licenses selected allow code from different implementers to be mixed. Under Informative References: OLD: [OSI] "Open Source Licenses Approved by the Open Source Initiative", 2004. NEW: [OSD] "The Open Source Definition, version 1.9", Open Source Initiative, 2005, available at http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php _______________________________________________ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce ----- End forwarded message: _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 10 07:03:46 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DghIg-0007TC-UW; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:03:46 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DghIf-0007T3-7b for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:03:45 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA07081 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DgheI-0005oP-H5 for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:26:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by delivery_mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 70578CDC; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:03:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.122]) by outbound_mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 5CEDBCB9; Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:03:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.254.173]) by esealmw127.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:03:41 +0200 Received: from [147.214.237.81] ([147.214.237.81]) by esealmw129.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:03:40 +0200 Message-ID: <42A97383.10709@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 13:03:31 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050116) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Rousskov Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Agenda for 8 June 2005 Telechat References: <42A6E9BA.3050300@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jun 2005 11:03:40.0841 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F4CA190:01C56DAC] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF TOOLS X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi Alex, On 06/08/2005 06:28 PM Alex Rousskov said the following: > I was too late to join the call :-(. My apologies. > > I have nothing big to report. It looks like ID Submission draft > got approved. I plan to resume work on the ID Info draft this weekend. > > Alex. Ok. Bill and I had a nice chat. I'll try to get started on an overall- xml meta information schema draft this week, and Bill is hoping to get the liaison statement handling tool deployed soon. Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 17 13:19:41 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DjKVJ-00079a-Qd; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:19:41 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DjKVI-00079V-Py for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:19:40 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA05925 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.186]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DjKsQ-00048O-F1 for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:43:35 -0400 Received: by av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id F039137E92; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:19:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE38A37E7E for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:19:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D583D37E42 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:19:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DjKV2-0008Ed-5v for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:19:24 +0200 Message-ID: <42B3061B.4000606@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:19:23 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] New Tools-Team member X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I'd like to welcome Andrew Sullivan to the TOOLS team. Andrew has offered to help with reorganising the IETF web site, so we plan to pull down a copy of the site, and see what we can do to make it easier to navigate and find things in, and then feed that design, or individual improvement suggestions based on that work, back to whoever the IASA selects to run the IETF website. Good to have you with us, Andrew! Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 17 13:21:56 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DjKXU-0007Es-N4; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:21:56 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DjKXU-0007En-67 for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:21:56 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06230 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.182]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DjKuc-0004LG-4R for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:45:51 -0400 Received: by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 175B437E8B; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:21:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av7-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F36B337E8A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:21:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A55A37E42 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:21:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DjKXJ-0008Kr-5D for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:21:45 +0200 Message-ID: <42B306A9.1030506@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:21:45 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Update TOOLS-team charter proposal X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I've put together a proposal for an updated TOOLS-team charter which includes a IETF website reorganisation proposal as a work-item, as well as another item requested by Brian. The proposal is here: http://tools.ietf.org/charters/charter-2005-06-17.html Comments are welcome. Regards, Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 17 13:41:16 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DjKqC-00029p-Kl; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:41:16 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DjKqB-00029k-1T for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:41:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA07515 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exprod6og4.obsmtp.com ([64.18.1.124] helo=psmtp.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DjLDG-0005oK-Na for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:05:10 -0400 Received: from source ([192.150.20.142]) by exprod6ob4.obsmtp.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:41:00 PDT Received: from inner-relay-3.eur.adobe.com (inner-relay-3b [10.128.4.236]) by outbound-smtp-2.corp.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j5HHl6TK011411 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from calsj-dev (calsj-dev.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.193]) by inner-relay-3.eur.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5HHecj2028154 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from calsj-dev (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.02 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0II8008G9P3S6Y@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MasinterT40 ([130.248.178.200]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.02 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0II80096FP3MSF@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:40:24 -0700 From: Larry Masinter Subject: RE: [Tools-team] Update TOOLS-team charter proposal In-reply-to: <42B306A9.1030506@levkowetz.com> To: "'Henrik Levkowetz'" , "'IETF TOOLS'" Message-id: <0II80096SP3OSF@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcVzYRMim40ECW2BQPagpt/Z7aduAAAAfHTA X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cc: X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org I am somewhat more animated by the prospects of tools for RFC, Standards, BCP, Interoperability, IPR information, which I think is more narrow and perhaps has a different audience than the general "improving usability of the IETF web site" question. Personally, I think many of the requirements that NEWTRK is struggling with could be partially addressed by better web-based information on the status of IETF standards and related documents. But NEWTRK is chartered only to look at "changes to standards process", so I think that "tools for working with web-based information" is probably in the domain of this group instead. Secondly, I wish it were in scope to look at IANA tools, while we're looking at tools. The IANA registry information is very hard to use and hard to figure out how to update. Larry _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 17 14:17:53 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DjLPd-0007wn-5S; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:17:53 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DjLPa-0007wT-3E for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:17:52 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA09624 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.180]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DjLmg-0008Iy-CW for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:41:45 -0400 Received: by av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 8ACDF37EA5; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:17:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av9-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7364237E9C; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:17:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6119937E43; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:17:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DjLPN-0006va-4L; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:17:37 +0200 Message-ID: <42B313C0.1080809@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:17:36 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Masinter Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Update TOOLS-team charter proposal References: <0II80096SP3OSF@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> In-Reply-To: <0II80096SP3OSF@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 69a74e02bbee44ab4f8eafdbcedd94a1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF TOOLS X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi Larry, For your second point, it seems like the opportunities to look at IANA tools may come, as a result of the Admin Reorg., but we're not there quite yet. For the first point, I guess all of the areas you mention are in scope. Is there a particular tool you'd like to take on, to specify or prototype, among these? Henrik On 2005-06-17 19:40 Larry Masinter said the following: > I am somewhat more animated by the prospects of tools for > RFC, Standards, BCP, Interoperability, IPR information, > which I think is more narrow and perhaps has a different > audience than the general "improving usability of the > IETF web site" question. > > Personally, I think many of the requirements that > NEWTRK is struggling with could be partially addressed > by better web-based information on the status of > IETF standards and related documents. But NEWTRK > is chartered only to look at "changes to standards > process", so I think that "tools for working with > web-based information" is probably in the domain > of this group instead. > > Secondly, I wish it were in scope to look at IANA tools, > while we're looking at tools. The IANA registry > information is very hard to use and hard to > figure out how to update. > > Larry > > _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 17 19:49:44 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DjQam-000342-6V; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:49:44 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DjQaj-00033s-GR for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:49:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA03393 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exprod6og6.obsmtp.com ([64.18.1.126] helo=psmtp.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DjQxu-00065C-Ia for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:13:40 -0400 Received: from source ([192.150.11.134]) by exprod6ob6.obsmtp.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:49:34 PDT Received: from inner-relay-3.eur.adobe.com (inner-relay-3.adobe.com [192.150.20.198] (may be forged)) by outbound-smtp-1.corp.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j5HNh6BM000125 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from calsj-dev (calsj-dev.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.193]) by inner-relay-3.eur.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5HNnViw027417 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from calsj-dev (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.02 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0II90074W66J27@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MasinterT40 ([130.248.178.200]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.02 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0II90088W663X5@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> for tools-team@ietf.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:49:14 -0700 From: Larry Masinter Subject: RE: [Tools-team] Update TOOLS-team charter proposal In-reply-to: <42B313C0.1080809@levkowetz.com> To: "'Henrik Levkowetz'" Message-id: <0II900895667X5@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcVzaNqG/OC1/+nHSX6U3aXMsI+xxQAKnlFw X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cc: 'IETF TOOLS' X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org # Is there a particular tool you'd like to # take on, to specify or prototype, among these? Well, looking through the 'newtrk' mailing list archive, I think I might start with: "Means of reporting implementations and interoperability, feature-by-feature:" http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk/msg01109.html but I'd also like to consider "means of reporting relationship between RFCs and 'sub-areas'". http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-newtrk-repurposing-isd-03.txt Larry _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 20 15:48:21 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DkSFp-0006FJ-9T; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:48:21 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DkSFo-0006FE-7l for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:48:20 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA02864 for ; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.186]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1DkSdZ-0002zA-DO for tools-team@ietf.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:12:54 -0400 Received: by av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id CB89C3863D; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:48:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av12-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB89237E8A; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:48:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE8537E44; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:48:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DkSFX-0002il-MP; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:48:03 +0200 Message-ID: <42B71D73.1000206@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:48:03 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Masinter Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Update TOOLS-team charter proposal References: <0II900895667X5@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> In-Reply-To: <0II900895667X5@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93238566e09e6e262849b4f805833007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: 'IETF TOOLS' X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org On 2005-06-18 01:49 Larry Masinter said the following: > # Is there a particular tool you'd like to > # take on, to specify or prototype, among these? > > Well, looking through the 'newtrk' mailing list archive, > I think I might start with: > > "Means of reporting implementations and interoperability, > feature-by-feature:" > > http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk/msg01109.html Sounds good. Go for it. > but I'd also like to consider "means of reporting relationship > between RFCs and 'sub-areas'". > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-newtrk-repurposing-isd-03.txt Well, I'll leave it up to you to decide if you go for this one, too :-) Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 21 14:25:26 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DknR8-0005nS-BC; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:25:26 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DknR6-0005nL-I1 for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:25:24 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA14871 for ; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.219.45.62] (helo=mail.libertyrms.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Dknoy-0004rM-OZ for tools-team@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:50:11 -0400 Received: from dba3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.12] helo=dba3.int.libertyrms.info ident=postfix) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1DknQm-0007l9-97 for tools-team@ietf.org; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:25:04 -0400 Received: by dba3.int.libertyrms.info (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 8C2B913744; Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:25:22 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: tools-team@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-team] New Tools-Team member Message-ID: <20050621182522.GT20985@libertyrms.info> References: <42B3061B.4000606@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42B3061B.4000606@levkowetz.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@libertyrms.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 07:19:23PM +0200, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like to welcome Andrew Sullivan to the TOOLS team. And thank you for having me. I look forward to working with all of you. A -- ---- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 +1 416 646 3304 x4110 _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 22 11:39:18 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dl7Ju-0000Ee-7x; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:39:18 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dl7Jq-0000Ds-8V for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:39:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA24546 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 11:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.186]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Dl7hy-0004V7-JG for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:04:11 -0400 Received: by av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id B30B937E66; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:38:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D98637E52 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:38:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D35537E47 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:38:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Dl7JV-0006aL-0H for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:38:53 +0200 Message-ID: <42B9860C.9060400@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:38:52 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Agenda for 22 June 2005 Telechat X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Here is the proposed agenda for today's meeting: --------------------------------------------------------- 1. Agenda bashing 2. Comments on minutes from last teleconference. 3. Welcome to Andrew 4. The new IAD is now in office - how this affects the team 5. Action items for next week. - Are there things we should try to complete before the draft deadlines? 6. Any other business 7. Next meeting: Teleconference Wednesday 6 July, 16:00 GMT (same local time as today). --------------------------------------------------------- Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. One can also join the call by dialling: sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. 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Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 22 12:03:48 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dl7hc-0008Re-Nx; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:03:48 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dl7hZ-0008R6-5A for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:03:47 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA26909 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from measurement-factory.com ([206.168.0.5]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Dl85h-0005Gc-3n for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:28:43 -0400 Received: from pail.measurement-factory.com (nat.measurement-factory.com [206.168.0.3]) by measurement-factory.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j5MG2h3a097486; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:02:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from rousskov@measurement-factory.com) Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Update TOOLS-team charter proposal From: Alex Rousskov To: Henrik Levkowetz In-Reply-To: <42B71D73.1000206@levkowetz.com> References: <0II900895667X5@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> <42B71D73.1000206@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:00:49 -0600 Message-Id: <1119456049.77926.43.camel@pail.measurement-factory.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8abaac9e10c826e8252866cbe6766464 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: 'IETF TOOLS' X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 21:48 +0200, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > On 2005-06-18 01:49 Larry Masinter said the following: > > # Is there a particular tool you'd like to > > # take on, to specify or prototype, among these? > > > > Well, looking through the 'newtrk' mailing list archive, > > I think I might start with: > > > > "Means of reporting implementations and interoperability, > > feature-by-feature:" > > > > http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk/msg01109.html > > Sounds good. Go for it. I hope the interface will include compliance claims in addition to interoperability claims. You have probably seen my rants why one is pretty much pointless without the other. It may also be a good idea to add "implementation comments" or similar interface. In other words, we need a "feature-indexed" reporting tool, with several kinds of "reports" attached to each protocol feature of interest. It would be interesting to see how we can solve the feature-versus-requirement scoping problem (each level may be important depending on the protocol or even implementation). Alex. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 22 12:57:30 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dl8Xa-0002qw-2Y; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:57:30 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dl8XZ-0002qr-JF for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:57:29 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02452 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 12:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av8-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.183]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Dl8vh-0007ED-I8 for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:22:28 -0400 Received: by av8-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 83950387C3; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:57:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av8-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C834387C2 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:57:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28C3F37E44 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:57:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Dl8XM-0000og-8Q for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:57:16 +0200 Message-ID: <42B9986C.8080409@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:57:16 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS Subject: [Tools-team] Minutes from22 June 2005 Telechat X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a87a9cdae4ac5d3fbeee75cd0026d632 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Here are the minutes from today's meeting: --------------------------------------------------------- 0. Present: Andrew, Henrik, Bill, Alex 1. Agenda bashing Nothing at first, then Henrik remembered his question about Dashboards. Added to AoB. 2. Comments on minutes from last teleconference. None, really. There wasn't extensive minutes from Henrik and Bill's informal chat :-) 3. Welcome to Andrew * Work for affilias, registry company; database geek; offered to work on the IETF web-site. Database replication; Postgres. Worked in the PovRay group and on implementation of same. Won't be at the IETF-63, but should be in IETF-64. 4. The new IAD is now in office - how this affects the team * Ray Pelletier is now in office. Henrik will send picture. Communication with the tool implementers will now go through and/or with CC: to Ray, rather than the IETF Chair, but the IETF chair is still the AD for the tools team. 5. Action items for next few weeks Are there things we should try to complete before the draft deadlines? * Henrik's IETF meta-information draft before 11th * Alex' draft before 18th Bill has been communicating with IANA about data interchange between trackers - should probably go into the meta-information draft. * Try to meet up in Paris. Alex: The website work - will we be able to publish anything about that? Henrik: Probably not - should first do a prototype, then possibly a write-up. A bit too early for these deadlines. Andrew: I agree. Alex: What is the focus here? Look, functionality, standards compliance? 1) Functionality 2) Compliance We might want to see if we could get web designers involved for free, too. 6. Any other business * Dashboard. Does anybody know of Open Source implementations of dashboard technology? Henrik has looked, but not found any non-commercial stuff. Andrew: not sure, but will look around. May have something. 7. Action item summary: Henrik: Get first version of meta-information draft out before -00 deadline Alex: Get a new version of the internet-drafts info draft out before going on vacation Andrew: Pull down a mirror of the website to work with, and get started looking at how it could be improved Andrew: Check whether there is some open source Dashboard software we could adapt to the IAD's needs for keeping track of the RFC editor policy Bill, Henrik: Arrange to meet up with the IANA people in Paris, to talk about tool information interchange format. (Anybody else in the team who are interested are also welcome to attend!) 8. Next meeting: Teleconference Wednesday 6 July, 16:00 GMT (same local time as today). --------------------------------------------------------- Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. One can also join the call by dialling: sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 22 13:08:38 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dl8iM-0006UL-Oz; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:08:38 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dl8iM-0006UG-28 for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:08:38 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA03326 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.219.45.62] (helo=mail.libertyrms.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Dl96W-0007cL-6h for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:33:36 -0400 Received: from dba3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.12] helo=dba3.int.libertyrms.info ident=postfix) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1Dl8iC-0002a1-FA for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:08:28 -0400 Received: by dba3.int.libertyrms.info (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 8DD4813744; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:08:28 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: tools-team@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Minutes from22 June 2005 Telechat Message-ID: <20050622170827.GF2469@libertyrms.info> References: <42B9986C.8080409@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42B9986C.8080409@levkowetz.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@libertyrms.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 06:57:16PM +0200, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > 3. Welcome to Andrew > Postgres. Worked in the PovRay group and on implementation > of same. Much as I wish that were true, it's not; I must have mentioned one of my earlier projects, but I can't think of what is must have been right now. I was and am involved in the current implementation of database replication engines for Postgres, though. The only production-grade one I'm involved with right now is Slony-I (http://www.slony.info will get you there). We're currently working out a multimaster and synchronous system. That's a little trickier. A -- ---- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 +1 416 646 3304 x4110 _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Jun 22 13:25:52 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dl8z2-0003je-3m; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:25:52 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dl8z0-0003jZ-GP for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:25:50 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA05433 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.186]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1Dl9N9-0008Il-TB for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:50:49 -0400 Received: by av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 6BA9C38770; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:25:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.101]) by av9-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136F638767; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:25:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40F437E44; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:25:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Dl8yp-0007L6-3j; Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:25:39 +0200 Message-ID: <42B99F12.8010205@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:25:38 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Minutes from22 June 2005 Telechat References: <42B9986C.8080409@levkowetz.com> <20050622170827.GF2469@libertyrms.info> In-Reply-To: <20050622170827.GF2469@libertyrms.info> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7655788c23eb79e336f5f8ba8bce7906 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-team@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org On 2005-06-22 19:08 Andrew Sullivan said the following: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 06:57:16PM +0200, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> 3. Welcome to Andrew > >> Postgres. Worked in the PovRay group and on implementation >> of same. > > Much as I wish that were true, it's not; I must have mentioned one of > my earlier projects, but I can't think of what is must have been > right now. Oops! Well, good to have the correction in :-) > I was and am involved in the current implementation of > database replication engines for Postgres, though. The only > production-grade one I'm involved with right now is Slony-I > (http://www.slony.info will get you there). We're currently working > out a multimaster and synchronous system. That's a little trickier. I believe you! Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team