From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 16 16:17:49 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E57sb-0001jL-Iw; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:17:49 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E57sZ-0001ih-Kt for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:17:47 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08877 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exprod6og5.obsmtp.com ([64.18.1.125] helo=psmtp.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E58Rv-0005NI-JD for tools-team@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:54:22 -0400 Received: from source ([192.150.20.142]) by exprod6ob5.obsmtp.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:17:34 PDT Received: from inner-relay-3.eur.adobe.com (inner-relay-3b [10.128.4.236]) by outbound-smtp-2.corp.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7GKNhTK017767 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:23:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from calsj-dev (calsj-dev.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.193]) by inner-relay-3.eur.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7GKHVj0022123 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from calsj-dev (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.02 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ILC00K7G0D6F0@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> for tools-team@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MasinterT43p (c-130-251.corp.adobe.com [153.32.130.251]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.02 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0ILC0083J0D576@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> for tools-team@ietf.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:17:29 -0700 From: Larry Masinter Subject: RE: [Tools-team] Update TOOLS-team charter proposal In-reply-to: <0II900895667X5@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> To: "'Henrik Levkowetz'" Message-id: <0ILC0083K0D576@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcVzaNqG/OC1/+nHSX6U3aXMsI+xxQAKnlFwC8LMLWA= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cc: 'IETF TOOLS' X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Just FYI: earlier, I proposed > "Means of reporting implementations and interoperability, > feature-by-feature:" > http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk/msg01109.html see http://larry.masinter.net/draft-masinter-ior.html not yet Internet-Draft, which is more about process, but there's a place for "tool for viewing Protocol Feature Sets and Protocol Implementation Reports" and "Tools for combining information for combined reports". _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 17 04:43:52 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E5JWa-0004Cb-4A; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 04:43:52 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E5JWY-0004CW-In for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 04:43:50 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA15638 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 04:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.183]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E5K63-0008A0-80 for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 05:20:32 -0400 Received: by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id DFEF237F98; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:43:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.92]) by av11-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD82137F53; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:43:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15EC37E43; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:43:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E5JWF-0000yE-G6; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:43:31 +0200 Message-ID: <4302F8B5.4000708@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:43:33 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Macintosh/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Masinter Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Update TOOLS-team charter proposal References: <0ILC0083K0D576@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> In-Reply-To: <0ILC0083K0D576@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ea4ac80f790299f943f0a53be7e1a21a Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: 'IETF TOOLS' X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi Larry, On 2005-08-16 22:17 Larry Masinter said the following: > Just FYI: > > earlier, I proposed > >> "Means of reporting implementations and interoperability, >> feature-by-feature:" >> http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk/msg01109.html > > see > http://larry.masinter.net/draft-masinter-ior.html > > not yet Internet-Draft, which is more about process, but > there's a place for "tool for viewing > Protocol Feature Sets and Protocol Implementation Reports" > and "Tools for combining information for combined > reports". Ok, cool. I read the draft, and it makes sense to me. Having feature sets and interop reports in an xml format which permits tools to work on them is a good idea. Would you add the proposed tools to the ToolSuggestions page of http://www1.tools.ietf.org/wiki ? When the PFS and PIR specification is in place, I expect people will start asking for tools to process them ;-) Henrik _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 24 08:00:00 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E7tvE-0001YZ-UY; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:00:00 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E7tvD-0001YO-LK for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:59:59 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA15821 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.180]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E7tvV-0005c3-Gs for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:00:19 -0400 Received: by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 349D237E8A; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:59:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av6-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A558637E59 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:59:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902C137E4B for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:59:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E7tup-0005VM-P5 for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:59:35 +0200 Message-ID: <430C612B.2060307@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:59:39 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2857c5c041d6c02d7181d602c22822c8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Agenda for the 24 August 2005 Telechat X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Here is the proposed agenda for today's meeting. We'll go through it as far as we can in about 1 hour, and then break and move the remaining parts of item 5 to next meeting. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. Agenda bashing 2. Welcome to new tools team member, Jeroen Massar Background: http://unfix.org/~jeroen/cv/ , see especially the projects section which lists a number of interesting tools - IP and Routing related and others. 3. Chat with the new IAD, Ray, if he is able to join us 4. IETF-63: * Dashboard meeting - outcome: It turns out that providing this seems to be well aligned with other planned tools work. Components needed include - Event extraction (from mail, ID-tracker, repositories, etc.) - Event database, with events available in XML format, feeding into a visualisation tool. This can also just as well feed into the notification tool we have on our list. - Queue visualisation tool. This will provide queue length and volume information not only for the dashboard, but also for the individual WG and Draft status pages. - The dashboard overlay, which brings above components together. * IANA meeting 5. Status review Charter items: * ID submission tool Dec 2004 Specification DONE (Alex) * WG Meeting tool (scheduler, agendas, ... ) Mar 2005 Prototype design I/P (Donald) * Draft status pages (revs, diffs, comments) Mar 2005 Prototype EXISTS Specification draft I/P (Alex) * Notification services (RSS, mail notification) Aug 2005 Draft I/P, Event extraction I/P (Stas), Prototype to be started (Jeroen) * Meta-information publication Aug 2005 XML Schema draft I/P, Event extraction I/P (Henrik) * Guidelines for improving usability of the Q3 2005 IETF web site Trial design I/P (Andrew) * Html-ized WG agendas Q3 2005 Prototype EXISTS * WG Status update web interface Q4 2005 * Publication request tool Q4 2005 * WG Pages with WG tools, provided to all WGs Q4 2005 Some work I/P - Wiki and chair tools coming soon (Henrik) * A tool in support of 3rd party reviews and Q4 2005 Last Call comments (extension to I-D tracker?) * I-D tracker extended for use by Chairs Q1 2006 * Web interface to set up 'WG Pages' for BOFs Q1 2006 Non-charter items: * A calendar tool, providing iCalendar compliant calendar files, updated to match the agenda of the current IETF meeting. (Based on scripts from Eliot Lear and Bill Fenner.) * A tool which will show all drafts currently in IETF last call (Spin off of event extraction work) * A one-click RFC access page (from Simon Leinen) * Stable references for drafts Prototype EXISTS, but not published http://tools.ietf.org/id/ 6. Any other business 7. Next meeting: Teleconference Wednesday 7 Sep, 16:00 GMT (same local time as today). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. One can also join the call by dialling: sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 24 12:00:21 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E7xfp-0001iR-Sf; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:00:21 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E7xfk-0001fd-2L for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:00:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA00322 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.219.45.62] (helo=mail.libertyrms.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E7xg3-0005O4-BD for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:00:37 -0400 Received: from dba3.int.libertyrms.com ([10.1.3.12] helo=dba3.int.libertyrms.info ident=postfix) by mail.libertyrms.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1E7xfY-00072H-8v for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:00:04 -0400 Received: by dba3.int.libertyrms.info (Postfix, from userid 1019) id 513CD13744; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:00:03 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: tools-team@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Agenda for the 24 August 2005 Telechat Message-ID: <20050824160000.GP15278@libertyrms.info> References: <430C612B.2060307@levkowetz.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <430C612B.2060307@levkowetz.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: andrew@libertyrms.info X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b1c41982e167b872076d0018e4e1dc3c X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Andrew Sullivan List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Sorry, I won't be able to make it today. A On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 01:59:39PM +0200, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi, > > Here is the proposed agenda for today's meeting. We'll go through > it as far as we can in about 1 hour, and then break and move the > remaining parts of item 5 to next meeting. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > 1. Agenda bashing > > 2. Welcome to new tools team member, Jeroen Massar > Background: http://unfix.org/~jeroen/cv/ , see especially the > projects section which lists a number of interesting tools - > IP and Routing related and others. > > 3. Chat with the new IAD, Ray, if he is able to join us > > 4. IETF-63: > * Dashboard meeting - outcome: It turns out that providing > this seems to be well aligned with other planned tools work. > Components needed include > - Event extraction (from mail, ID-tracker, repositories, etc.) > - Event database, with events available in XML format, > feeding into a visualisation tool. This can also just as > well feed into the notification tool we have on our list. > - Queue visualisation tool. This will provide queue length > and volume information not only for the dashboard, but > also for the individual WG and Draft status pages. > - The dashboard overlay, which brings above components > together. > > * IANA meeting > > 5. Status review > > Charter items: > > * ID submission tool Dec 2004 > Specification DONE (Alex) > > * WG Meeting tool (scheduler, agendas, ... ) Mar 2005 > Prototype design I/P (Donald) > > * Draft status pages (revs, diffs, comments) Mar 2005 > Prototype EXISTS > Specification draft I/P (Alex) > > * Notification services (RSS, mail notification) Aug 2005 > Draft I/P, Event extraction I/P (Stas), > Prototype to be started (Jeroen) > > * Meta-information publication Aug 2005 > XML Schema draft I/P, Event extraction I/P > (Henrik) > > * Guidelines for improving usability of the Q3 2005 > IETF web site > Trial design I/P (Andrew) > > * Html-ized WG agendas Q3 2005 > Prototype EXISTS > > * WG Status update web interface Q4 2005 > > * Publication request tool Q4 2005 > > * WG Pages with WG tools, provided to all WGs Q4 2005 > Some work I/P - Wiki and chair tools coming soon > (Henrik) > > * A tool in support of 3rd party reviews and Q4 2005 > Last Call comments (extension to I-D tracker?) > > * I-D tracker extended for use by Chairs Q1 2006 > > * Web interface to set up 'WG Pages' for BOFs Q1 2006 > > Non-charter items: > > * A calendar tool, providing iCalendar compliant > calendar files, updated to match the agenda of > the current IETF meeting. (Based on scripts from > Eliot Lear and Bill Fenner.) > > * A tool which will show all drafts currently in > IETF last call (Spin off of event extraction work) > > * A one-click RFC access page (from Simon Leinen) > > * Stable references for drafts > Prototype EXISTS, but not published > http://tools.ietf.org/id/ > > 6. Any other business > > 7. Next meeting: > > Teleconference Wednesday 7 Sep, 16:00 GMT (same local time > as today). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Connection details: > > To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. > > One can also join the call by dialling: > sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu > on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. > > If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference > system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to > https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 > and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. > > > _______________________________________________ > Tools-team mailing list > Tools-team@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team -- ---- Andrew Sullivan 204-4141 Yonge Street Afilias Canada Toronto, Ontario Canada M2P 2A8 +1 416 646 3304 x4110 _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 24 13:11:07 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E7ymJ-0003n4-1i; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:11:07 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E7ymI-0003mu-91 for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:11:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06092 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E7ymd-0008Qr-0n for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:11:28 -0400 Received: by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 3CB7C37F1E; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:10:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.93]) by av12-1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC3037E59 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:10:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp4-2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1823A37E43 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:10:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E7ym1-0001bQ-ET for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:10:49 +0200 Message-ID: <430CAA1A.6060000@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:10:50 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 31b28e25e9d13a22020d8b7aedc9832c Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Tools-team] Minutes from the 24 August 2005 Telechat X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Hi, Here are the minutes from today's meeting. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. Agenda bashing None 2. Welcome to new tools team member, Jeroen Massar Background: http://unfix.org/~jeroen/cv/ , see especially the projects section which lists a number of interesting tools - IP and Routing related and others. Now busy with sixxs, getting a US box up next week; otherwise performance profiling programs. Have developed some code/protocols/hw for monitoring very busy networks. Lots of IPv6 stuff. Tools interest: Generally the kind of tools needed for the IETF, have done useful notification stuff. Could help out with a notification tool, a lot of people would benefit from this. 3. Chat with the new IAD, Ray, if he is able to join us No Ray today. 4. IETF-63: * Dashboard meeting - outcome: It turns out that providing this seems to be well aligned with other planned tools work. Components needed include - Event extraction (from mail, ID-tracker, repositories, etc.) - Event database, with events available in XML format, feeding into a visualisation tool. This can also just as well feed into the notification tool we have on our list. - Queue visualisation tool. This will provide queue length and volume information not only for the dashboard, but also for the individual WG and Draft status pages. - The dashboard overlay, which brings above components together. Comments: Would be good to have a version up before the full thing goes public - maybe with faked data, or with data from -00 to publication approved. That way people can comment on it, say whether it provides what they need and expect. It is expected that the first version of the tool will be restricted to the IAD/IESG/IAB, but after a period of use (3-6 months?) the intention is to make it public. Will have to see if a version with only -00 to Publication approved can be shown earlier. * IANA meeting No Bill here - report next time? 5. Status review Charter items: * ID submission tool Dec 2004 Specification DONE (Alex) * WG Meeting tool (scheduler, agendas, ... ) Mar 2005 Prototype design I/P (Donald) - Note from Brian received asking for immediate simple input to a front end. Will send it on for comments. * Draft status pages (revs, diffs, comments) Mar 2005 Prototype EXISTS Specification draft I/P (Alex) - Alex hopes to start working on the draft next week. * Notification services (RSS, mail notification) Aug 2005 Draft I/P, Event extraction I/P (Stas), Prototype to be started (Jeroen) - Henrik will send a first cut at XML format to Jeroen and the list. * Meta-information publication Aug 2005 XML Schema draft I/P, Event extraction I/P (Henrik) - Henrik hopes to have stable XML format data available by next IETF meeting * Guidelines for improving usability of the Q3 2005 IETF web site Trial design I/P (Andrew) - Henrik to ping Andrew, to see how we're doing * Html-ized WG agendas Q3 2005 Prototype EXISTS * WG Status update web interface Q4 2005 - Will not happen until Neustar contract is in place * Publication request tool Q4 2005 - Will not happen until Neustar contract is in place * WG Pages with WG tools, provided to all WGs Q4 2005 Some work I/P - Wiki and chair tools coming soon (Henrik) - Secondary priority for Henrik, after the Dashboard * A tool in support of 3rd party reviews and Q4 2005 Last Call comments (extension to I-D tracker?) - Will not happen until Neustar contract is in place * I-D tracker extended for use by Chairs Q1 2006 - Will not happen until Neustar contract is in place * Web interface to set up 'WG Pages' for BOFs Q1 2006 - Comes after the WG pages with WG tools Non-charter items: * A calendar tool, providing iCalendar compliant calendar files, updated to match the agenda of the current IETF meeting. (Based on scripts from Eliot Lear and Bill Fenner.) - Comment: Actually, this would integrate well with a more general Dashboard concept, which any IETFer could set up to show the information he wanted, and provide the tools he would be interested in. A simple email-me-a-password authentication of the email address may suffice to prevent abuse, and also prevent us for having to set up more formal user registration and authentication. Could be seen as a unified interface for: Notification services WG tools WG status pages Document flow dashboard Calendar services ... * A tool which will show all drafts currently in IETF last call (Spin off of event extraction work) * A one-click RFC access page (from Simon Leinen) * Stable references for drafts Prototype EXISTS, but not published http://tools.ietf.org/id/ - Henrik to check with Brian on how to move forward with this. 6. Any other business None. 7. Next meeting: Teleconference Wednesday 7 Sep, 16:00 GMT (same local time as today). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Connection details: To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. One can also join the call by dialling: sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Wed Aug 24 13:18:56 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E7yts-0006KA-Rs; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:18:56 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E7ytq-0006K2-Uw for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:18:55 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06434 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.185]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E7yuD-0000DR-31 for tools-team@ietf.org; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:19:17 -0400 Received: by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id DC99337EEF; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:18:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av9-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8ED37E4A; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:18:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B8C37E43; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:18:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E7ytf-00006s-Ld; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:18:43 +0200 Message-ID: <430CABF6.3040204@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:18:46 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Sullivan Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Agenda for the 24 August 2005 Telechat References: <430C612B.2060307@levkowetz.com> <20050824160000.GP15278@libertyrms.info> In-Reply-To: <20050824160000.GP15278@libertyrms.info> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6640e3bbe8a4d70c4469bcdcbbf0921d Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-team@ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org on 2005-08-24 18:00 Andrew Sullivan said the following: > Sorry, I won't be able to make it today. Ah, Ok. Good that you sent a note. >From the brief style, and I suspect lack of time, I have the feeling you're still swamped with work... Take care, and don't work till you burst something :-) Henrik > > A > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 01:59:39PM +0200, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Here is the proposed agenda for today's meeting. We'll go through >> it as far as we can in about 1 hour, and then break and move the >> remaining parts of item 5 to next meeting. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> 1. Agenda bashing >> >> 2. Welcome to new tools team member, Jeroen Massar >> Background: http://unfix.org/~jeroen/cv/ , see especially the >> projects section which lists a number of interesting tools - >> IP and Routing related and others. >> >> 3. Chat with the new IAD, Ray, if he is able to join us >> >> 4. IETF-63: >> * Dashboard meeting - outcome: It turns out that providing >> this seems to be well aligned with other planned tools work. >> Components needed include >> - Event extraction (from mail, ID-tracker, repositories, etc.) >> - Event database, with events available in XML format, >> feeding into a visualisation tool. This can also just as >> well feed into the notification tool we have on our list. >> - Queue visualisation tool. This will provide queue length >> and volume information not only for the dashboard, but >> also for the individual WG and Draft status pages. >> - The dashboard overlay, which brings above components >> together. >> >> * IANA meeting >> >> 5. Status review >> >> Charter items: >> >> * ID submission tool Dec 2004 >> Specification DONE (Alex) >> >> * WG Meeting tool (scheduler, agendas, ... ) Mar 2005 >> Prototype design I/P (Donald) >> >> * Draft status pages (revs, diffs, comments) Mar 2005 >> Prototype EXISTS >> Specification draft I/P (Alex) >> >> * Notification services (RSS, mail notification) Aug 2005 >> Draft I/P, Event extraction I/P (Stas), >> Prototype to be started (Jeroen) >> >> * Meta-information publication Aug 2005 >> XML Schema draft I/P, Event extraction I/P >> (Henrik) >> >> * Guidelines for improving usability of the Q3 2005 >> IETF web site >> Trial design I/P (Andrew) >> >> * Html-ized WG agendas Q3 2005 >> Prototype EXISTS >> >> * WG Status update web interface Q4 2005 >> >> * Publication request tool Q4 2005 >> >> * WG Pages with WG tools, provided to all WGs Q4 2005 >> Some work I/P - Wiki and chair tools coming soon >> (Henrik) >> >> * A tool in support of 3rd party reviews and Q4 2005 >> Last Call comments (extension to I-D tracker?) >> >> * I-D tracker extended for use by Chairs Q1 2006 >> >> * Web interface to set up 'WG Pages' for BOFs Q1 2006 >> >> Non-charter items: >> >> * A calendar tool, providing iCalendar compliant >> calendar files, updated to match the agenda of >> the current IETF meeting. (Based on scripts from >> Eliot Lear and Bill Fenner.) >> >> * A tool which will show all drafts currently in >> IETF last call (Spin off of event extraction work) >> >> * A one-click RFC access page (from Simon Leinen) >> >> * Stable references for drafts >> Prototype EXISTS, but not published >> http://tools.ietf.org/id/ >> >> 6. Any other business >> >> 7. Next meeting: >> >> Teleconference Wednesday 7 Sep, 16:00 GMT (same local time >> as today). >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Connection details: >> >> To join the call, dial +1-734-615-7474 and enter PIN 0151989. >> >> One can also join the call by dialling: >> sip:session_0151989@edial.internet2.edu >> on a SIP-enabled voice communications client. >> >> If the SIP client cannot dial URLs, you can have the conference >> system call you if you have the sip URL for your phone. Go to >> https://edial.internet2.edu/call/0151989 >> and type in the URL to your phone, and follow the directions. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tools-team mailing list >> Tools-team@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team > _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 29 19:01:44 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E9sdM-0003YE-1Q; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:01:44 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E9sdJ-0003Xt-5C for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:01:41 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA18403 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E9sei-0001xY-OW for tools-team@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:03:09 -0400 Received: by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id C644038192; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:01:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301C937EC6; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:01:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2030D37E43; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:01:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1E9scv-0007jy-UT; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:01:17 +0200 Message-ID: <431393BD.7010001@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 01:01:17 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Massar , IETF TOOLS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4b800b1eab964a31702fa68f1ff0e955 Cc: Subject: [Tools-team] Event schema X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0649391051==" Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0649391051== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig2B8C6E116720EDDF8D76173B" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig2B8C6E116720EDDF8D76173B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Here is a proposal for a schema for an xml representation of an event. This only covers events related to drafts; events related to WGs or other entities would need an alternative object element schema. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ element event { element id { text } # text should be an uuid: & element date { text } # text should be an RFC 3339 date & element source { text } # tag identifying the source & element object { element type { text } # tag identifying the type, e.g. draft & element tag { text } # draft filename without extension and version & element date { text } # an RFC 3339 date & element rev { xsd:integer } & element authors { text }? & element title { text }? & element abstract { text }? & element state { text } # a state text tag & element substate { text }? # a sub-state text tag & element pages { xsd:integer }? & element url { text }? # an url } } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Here's a recent sample extracted from the ID-tracker: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ uuid:2e840e42-18db-11da-9ea0-00b0d0b07e87 2005-08-30T00:20+02:00 tracker draft draft-ietf-secsh-dh-group-exchange 2005-08-29 05 Approved-announcement_sent ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henrik --------------enig2B8C6E116720EDDF8D76173B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFDE5O9eVhrtTJkXCMRAuWhAJ4tyW9U6lwK7CeuAQmALqDgO9mYZgCdF06V IUkt2LtFnulYFaJiANc5RXg= =Ri2w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig2B8C6E116720EDDF8D76173B-- --===============0649391051== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team --===============0649391051==-- From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Mon Aug 29 23:08:40 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E9wUK-0008Nk-6W; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:08:40 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E9wUH-0008Nc-If for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:08:37 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id XAA02867 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exprod6og1.obsmtp.com ([64.18.1.121] helo=psmtp.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E9wVc-0001Q9-QG for tools-team@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:10:08 -0400 Received: from source ([192.150.20.142]) by exprod6ob1.obsmtp.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:08:20 PDT Received: from inner-relay-3.eur.adobe.com (inner-relay-3b [10.128.4.236]) by outbound-smtp-2.corp.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7U3ESTK019275 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from calsj-dev (calsj-dev.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.193]) by inner-relay-3.eur.adobe.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j7U38Gj2008166 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from calsj-dev (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.02 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IM0004EIM1RH9@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> for tools-team@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MasinterT43p ([130.248.178.160]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.02 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IM000IR4M1QTE@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> for tools-team@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:08:06 -0700 From: Larry Masinter Subject: RE: [Tools-team] Event schema In-reply-to: <431393BD.7010001@levkowetz.com> To: "'Henrik Levkowetz'" , "'Jeroen Massar'" , "'IETF TOOLS'" Message-id: <0IM000IR5M1QTE@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcWs7tXaRm9LLWm+TdajU6vAfa3LlQAIOe9A X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cf4fa59384e76e63313391b70cd0dd25 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Cc: X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org If you're going to use XML, shouldn't you use XML datatypes? > element id { text } # text should be an uuid: Why not anyURI http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-2-20041028/datatypes.html#anyURI which can be a UUID URN? > & element date { text } # text should be an RFC 3339 date why not http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-2-20041028/datatypes.html#date _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team From tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Tue Aug 30 03:09:09 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EA0F3-0005RS-Fw; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:09:09 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1EA0F2-0005QP-Bl for tools-team@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:09:08 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA25595 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net ([81.228.9.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EA0GU-0007K7-0z for tools-team@ietf.org; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:10:41 -0400 Received: by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id AEA133820F; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:08:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net [81.228.9.102]) by av6-1-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F2A3820B; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:08:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from shiraz.levkowetz.com (81-224-201-50-no45.tbcn.telia.com [81.224.201.50]) by smtp3-2-sn3.vrr.skanova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA58137E46; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:08:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=henrik) by shiraz.levkowetz.com with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EA0Ei-0003CG-PN; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:08:48 +0200 Message-ID: <431405F9.8060806@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:08:41 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Masinter Subject: Re: [Tools-team] Event schema References: <0IM000IR5M1QTE@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> In-Reply-To: <0IM000IR5M1QTE@mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on shiraz.levkowetz.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cd26b070c2577ac175cd3a6d878c6248 Cc: 'IETF TOOLS' , Jeroen Massar X-BeenThere: tools-team@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "The purpose of the TOOLS team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0484905698==" Sender: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-team-bounces@ietf.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --===============0484905698== Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig1521F3F57D71BCEFC1C1EA28" This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig1521F3F57D71BCEFC1C1EA28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on 2005-08-30 05:08 Larry Masinter said the following: > If you're going to use XML, shouldn't you use XML datatypes? Yes :-) But I'm not that experienced in XML, and when I looked through the xsd: types in XML Schema Datatypes I didn't find anything appropriate, and I wanted to get this out fast. Of course, with your advise below in hand, I know that there's a Second Edition, and I looked in the first... >> element id { text } # text should be an uuid: > > > Why not anyURI > http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-2-20041028/datatypes.html#anyURI Because I actually want a time-based uuid, specifically; permitting extraction of event generation time from the uuid. But apart from that, anyURI is pretty close. > which can be a UUID URN? > >> & element date { text } # text should be an RFC 3339 date > > why not > http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xmlschema-2-20041028/datatypes.html#date Mmm - I think it's an xsd:dateTime for the event, and an xsd:date for the object. Here's an update - I'd love to declare a proper datatype for the uuid uri, but have no time (and not the knowledge) today... Further contributions are welcome! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ element event { element id { xsd:anyURI } # actually, timebased uuid... & element date { xsd:dateTime } & element source { text } # tag identifying the source & element object { element type { text } # tag identifying the type, e.g. draft & element tag { text } # draft filename without extension and version & element date { xsd:date } & element rev { xsd:integer } & element authors { text }? & element title { text }? & element abstract { text }? & element state { text } # a state text tag & element substate { text }? # a sub-state text tag & element pages { xsd:integer }? & element url { xsd:anyURI }? # actually, an URL... } } ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------enig1521F3F57D71BCEFC1C1EA28 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFDFAYAeVhrtTJkXCMRAtlsAJ989kcIpEIqSeDuWiCwTduHqfxaiwCg5zNv X9sKjEru/WN74xZ5ItG95Xs= =xlCa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig1521F3F57D71BCEFC1C1EA28-- --===============0484905698== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Tools-team mailing list Tools-team@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-team --===============0484905698==--