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Sorry for the cross post, but I really don't know where the problem occurre=
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I sent three messages to sidr-chairs@ietf.org yesterday.=0A=
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As late as last Friday, the @ietf.org version worked fine.=0A=
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Missed the (a) subject line (in my agent it is almost obscured by the long =
attachment line, sorry about that) and (b) most important recipient (no exc=
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So here is the long chain, showing the confusion of=0A=
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It is not a working group draft, so the draft-ietf-sidr-<yada> form is not=
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appropriate.

However, draft-reynolds-<yada> is the usual form for an individual=20
submittion.  Not that it matters that enough to insist on a change, but it=
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can confuse people.

--Sandy

On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Vishwas Manral wrote:

> Hi Karen,
>
> You should name the draft draft-ieft-sidr-rpki-ltamgmt and not
> draft-ieft-rpki-ltamgmt if it is a working group draft
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> Thanks,
> Vishwas
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> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Karen Seo <kseo@bbn.com> wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> Our apologies... The "00" Internet Draft on "Local Trust Anchor Manageme=
nt
>> for the Resource Public Key Infrastructure" didn't make it through the I=
ETF
>> submission system due to a file name error that we didn't catch until to=
o
>> late. =A0We'll re-post the draft as soon as the I-D submission tool is
>> reopened. =A0In the meantime, we've posted the draft at:
>>
>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://openmap.bbn.com/draft-ieft-rpki-ltamgmt-00.txt
>>
>> Please let us know if you run into any problems accessing the draft.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Karen
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Hi Karen,

You should name the draft draft-ieft-sidr-rpki-ltamgmt and not
draft-ieft-rpki-ltamgmt if it is a working group draft

Thanks,
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On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Karen Seo <kseo@bbn.com> wrote:
> Folks,
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> Our apologies... The "00" Internet Draft on "Local Trust Anchor Managemen=
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> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://openmap.bbn.com/draft-ieft-rpki-ltamgmt-00.txt
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> Please let us know if you run into any problems accessing the draft.
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> Thank you.
> Karen
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Folks,

Our apologies... The "00" Internet Draft on "Local Trust Anchor=20
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	http://openmap.bbn.com/draft-ieft-rpki-ltamgmt-00.txt

Please let us know if you run into any problems accessing the draft.

Thank you.
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Apparently I messed up the submission. I submitted it on 2/24 with a name o=
f
draft-ietf-sidr-rpki-ltamgmt-00. Since it isn't a SIDR WG item (yet), the=20
presence
of "sidr" in the name caused it be rejected. We are attempting to put the=20
document
on one of BBN's public servers so that interested parties can download it=20
ahead
of the meeting.

I personally won't be at IETF, but Steve Kent will, and it is my=20
understanding
that he will present slides on this topic.

Sorry for the mix up.

- Mark Reynolds

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Sandra Murphy" <sandra.murphy@sparta.com>
To: "Mark Reynolds" <mreynold@bbn.com>
Cc: <kent@bbn.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: Local Trust Anchor mgmt ID submittal


> When I was composing an agenda for sidr, I tried to find this draft.  But=
=20
> searches on your name and Steve's name as authors do not turn up a draft=
=20
> name that sounds like this draft.
>
> Did it get submitted?
>
> Whether it did or not, can I presume that you want time on the agenda?
>
> --Sandy
>
> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, Mark Reynolds wrote:
>
>> Yes, Steve Kent's intent was that the document be submitted as an=20
>> individual draft
>> (which, we believe, has been done following the process given on the=20
>> ietf.org
>> webpage). We will be asking for WG adoption subsequently. I'm sorry if m=
y
>> email caused any confusion, I'm new to this process (unlike Steve!).
>>
>> - Mark
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Murphy"=20
>> <sandra.murphy@sparta.com>
>> To: "Mark Reynolds" <mreynold@bbn.com>
>> Cc: <kent@bbn.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: Local Trust Anchor mgmt ID submittal
>>
>>
>>> Thanks for the notice.
>>>
>>> The deadline for wg chair notification of the impending submittal of a=
=20
>>> wg draft is today.  I just realized that you might have sent me this=20
>>> notice because you intend to submit a wg draft, not an individual draft=

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