Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28844 for ietf-xml-mime-bks; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 02:37:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sophia.inria.fr (root@sophia.inria.fr [138.96.32.20]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28839 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 02:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from w3.org by sophia.inria.fr (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA12824; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:38:20 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: sophia.inria.fr: Host trux.inria.fr [138.96.249.67] claimed to be w3.org Message-ID: <388C2B95.39B9F160@w3.org> Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:38:13 +0100 From: Philipp Hoschka X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MURATA Makoto CC: ietf-xml-mime@imc.org Subject: Re: Fwd: request for application/smil References: <200001240836.AA04036@archlute.fujixerox.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ietf-xml-mime@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: MURATA Makoto a écrit : ... > However, in order not to make an antecedent, I would like the I-D to mention > this name convention and reasons not to follow it. no problem Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA26948 for ietf-xml-mime-bks; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 00:32:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.fujixerox.co.jp (firewall-user@mx.fujixerox.co.jp [202.32.191.10]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26941 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 00:32:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by mx.fujixerox.co.jp; id RAA14876; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:34:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from ns1.fujixerox.co.jp(129.249.118.101) by mx.fujixerox.co.jp via smap (3.2) id xma014328; Mon, 24 Jan 00 17:32:59 +0900 Received: from pumpkin.greens.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp (pumpkin.greens.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp [131.221.160.133]) by ns1.fujixerox.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W99122215) with ESMTP id RAA25652; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:32:59 +0900 (JST) Received: from archlute.fujixerox.co.jp (dhcp-1a6-163.greens.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp [131.221.160.163]) by pumpkin.greens.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with SMTP id RAA78908; Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:33:32 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200001240836.AA04036@archlute.fujixerox.co.jp> From: MURATA Makoto Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 17:36:50 +0900 To: Philipp Hoschka Cc: ietf-xml-mime@imc.org Subject: Re: Fwd: request for application/smil In-Reply-To: <388440DB.66064237@w3.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AL-Mail32 Version 1.01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-xml-mime@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Philipp, > However, the use of "application/smil" predates the proposal of > appending "-xml" to XML-based MIME types by more than a year - I think > the first Internet draft dates from April '98. The proposal has > already been succesfully reviewed in the past on ietf-types, > but somebody dropped the ball bringing it to the IESG. Given > this history, and that there is an installed base, it seems reasonable > to stick with the current practice of using "application/smil". The use of "application/xml" implies that those who are not aware of this specialized media type cannot do anything even if they can handle XML. If SMIL people live with this disadvantage, I would not oppose to this charset name. However, in order not to make an antecedent, I would like the I-D to mention this name convention and reasons not to follow it. Cheers, Makoto Fuji Xerox Information Systems Tel: +81-44-812-7230 Fax: +81-44-812-7231 E-mail: murata.makoto@fujixerox.co.jp Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13653 for ietf-xml-mime-bks; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 02:30:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from sophia.inria.fr (root@sophia.inria.fr [138.96.32.20]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13630 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 02:30:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from w3.org by sophia.inria.fr (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27951; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:30:58 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: sophia.inria.fr: Host velizy-26-150.dial.proxad.net [213.228.26.150] claimed to be w3.org Message-ID: <388440DB.66064237@w3.org> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:30:51 +0100 From: Philipp Hoschka X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MURATA Makoto CC: ietf-xml-mime@imc.org Subject: Re: Fwd: request for application/smil References: <200001180223.AA03962@archlute.fujixerox.co.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-ietf-xml-mime@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Murata, I was very much aware of your draft. In fact, it has already been proposed to adopt it when reviewing this registration on www-smil http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-smil/1999OctDec/0015.html However, the use of "application/smil" predates the proposal of appending "-xml" to XML-based MIME types by more than a year - I think the first Internet draft dates from April '98. The proposal has already been succesfully reviewed in the past on ietf-types, but somebody dropped the ball bringing it to the IESG. Given this history, and that there is an installed base, it seems reasonable to stick with the current practice of using "application/smil". -Philipp MURATA Makoto a écrit : > > This message was originally sent to ietf-types@iana.org and www-smil@w3.org. > Since the proposed media type for SMIL is an XML-based media type, I am > forwarding this message to this list. > > For SMIL-unaware recipients to use XML-generic application programs for > SMIL data, application/smil-xml would be better than application/xmil, as > I see it. More about this issue, see Section 6 of a recently-published I-D for > XML media types, which is available at: > > http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-murata-xml-02.txt > > Philipp Hoschka wrote: > > Please review > > > > http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hoschka-smil-media-type-04.txt > > > > Note that this had already been reviewed at the end of 1998, but > > it has not been submitted to the IESG afterwards for consideration > > as informational RFC. Since there have been minor changes, I guess > > it's better to go through another 2 week review on ietf-types. > > > > -Philipp Hoschka, W3C > > Makoto > > Fuji Xerox Information Systems > > Tel: +81-44-812-7230 Fax: +81-44-812-7231 > E-mail: murata.makoto@fujixerox.co.jp Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06965 for ietf-xml-mime-bks; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:41:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.fujixerox.co.jp (firewall-user@mx.fujixerox.co.jp [202.32.191.10]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06961 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:41:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by mx.fujixerox.co.jp; id QAA03235; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:42:48 +0900 (JST) Received: from ns1.fujixerox.co.jp(129.249.118.101) by mx.fujixerox.co.jp via smap (3.2) id xma002925; Tue, 18 Jan 00 16:42:13 +0900 Received: from pumpkin.greens.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp (pumpkin.greens.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp [131.221.160.133]) by ns1.fujixerox.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W99122215) with ESMTP id QAA14311 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:42:13 +0900 (JST) Received: from archlute.fujixerox.co.jp (dhcp-1a6-163.greens.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp [131.221.160.163]) by pumpkin.greens.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with SMTP id QAA45720 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:42:34 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200001180745.AA03975@archlute.fujixerox.co.jp> From: MURATA Makoto Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:45:59 +0900 To: ietf-xml-mime@imc.org Subject: Re: Announcement of draft-murata-xml-02.txt In-Reply-To: <200001180735.QAA03826@sh.w3.mag.keio.ac.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AL-Mail32 Version 1.01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-xml-mime@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Martin J. Duerst wrote: > > I just started reading the draft, but I'm surprised/confused > that it talks about text/xml and application/xml as new mime > types, and explains why they should go into the IETF tree. > Did you forget about RFC 2376? This I-D is intended to obsolete RFC 2376 eventually. Makoto Fuji Xerox Information Systems Tel: +81-44-812-7230 Fax: +81-44-812-7231 E-mail: murata.makoto@fujixerox.co.jp Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06712 for ietf-xml-mime-bks; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:34:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from sh.w3.mag.keio.ac.jp (sh.w3.mag.keio.ac.jp [133.27.194.41]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06707 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:34:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from enoshima (dhcp-100-224.mag.keio.ac.jp [133.27.195.224]) by sh.w3.mag.keio.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.6W-W3C/Keio) with SMTP id QAA03826; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 16:35:43 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200001180735.QAA03826@sh.w3.mag.keio.ac.jp> X-Sender: duerst@sh.w3.mag.keio.ac.jp X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3-J (32) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:45:02 +0900 To: MURATA Makoto From: "Martin J. Duerst" Subject: Re: Announcement of draft-murata-xml-02.txt Cc: ietf-xml-mime@imc.org In-Reply-To: <200001180227.AA03963@archlute.fujixerox.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ietf-xml-mime@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Hello Makoto, I just started reading the draft, but I'm surprised/confused that it talks about text/xml and application/xml as new mime types, and explains why they should go into the IETF tree. Did you forget about RFC 2376? Regards, Martin. At 11:27 00/01/18 +0900, MURATA Makoto wrote: > Simon St. Laurent and I co-authored a new I-D for XML media types. It > is available at: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-murata-xml-02.txt #-#-# Martin J. Du"rst, World Wide Web Consortium #-#-# mailto:duerst@w3.org http://www.w3.org Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20148 for ietf-xml-mime-bks; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:25:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.fujixerox.co.jp (firewall-user@mx.fujixerox.co.jp [202.32.191.10]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20142 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:25:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by mx.fujixerox.co.jp; id LAA23640; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:26:21 +0900 (JST) Received: from ns1.fujixerox.co.jp(129.249.118.101) by mx.fujixerox.co.jp via smap (3.2) id xma022477; Tue, 18 Jan 00 11:25:48 +0900 Received: from pumpkin.greens.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp (pumpkin.greens.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp [131.221.160.133]) by ns1.fujixerox.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W99122215) with ESMTP id LAA11039 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:23:33 +0900 (JST) Received: from archlute.fujixerox.co.jp (dhcp-1a6-163.greens.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp [131.221.160.163]) by pumpkin.greens.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with SMTP id LAA37054 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:23:54 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200001180227.AA03963@archlute.fujixerox.co.jp> From: MURATA Makoto Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:27:19 +0900 To: ietf-xml-mime@imc.org Subject: Announcement of draft-murata-xml-02.txt MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AL-Mail32 Version 1.01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-xml-mime@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: Simon St. Laurent and I co-authored a new I-D for XML media types. It is available at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-murata-xml-02.txt An HTML version is available at: http://www.simonstl.com/idxmlmime/draft-murata-xml-02.htm Changes from the previous I-D are as below: draft-murata-02: Replaced "(e.g., ESMTP, 8BITMIME, or NNTP)" with "(e.g., 8BITMIME ESMTP or NNTP)"; transcoding without revising encoding declarations is mentioned; the choice of "US-ascii" as the default is explained. text/xml-external-parsed-entity and application/xml-external-parsed-entity are added. Examples of these two media types are added (7.10 and 7.11). References are updated. Cheers, MURATA Makoto (FAMILY Given) Fuji Xerox Information Systems Tel: +81-44-812-7230 Fax: +81-44-812-7231 E-mail: murata.makoto@fujixerox.co.jp Received: by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19901 for ietf-xml-mime-bks; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.fujixerox.co.jp (firewall-user@mx.fujixerox.co.jp [202.32.191.10]) by ns.secondary.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19895 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:21:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by mx.fujixerox.co.jp; id LAA21908; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:22:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from ns1.fujixerox.co.jp(129.249.118.101) by mx.fujixerox.co.jp via smap (3.2) id xma020541; Tue, 18 Jan 00 11:21:35 +0900 Received: from pumpkin.greens.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp (pumpkin.greens.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp [131.221.160.133]) by ns1.fujixerox.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W99122215) with ESMTP id LAA10152; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:19:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from archlute.fujixerox.co.jp (dhcp-1a6-163.greens.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp [131.221.160.163]) by pumpkin.greens.fxis.fujixerox.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with SMTP id LAA36908; Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:19:41 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200001180223.AA03962@archlute.fujixerox.co.jp> From: MURATA Makoto Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:23:06 +0900 To: ietf-xml-mime@imc.org Cc: ph@w3.org Subject: Fwd: request for application/smil MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AL-Mail32 Version 1.01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ietf-xml-mime@imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: List-ID: List-Unsubscribe: This message was originally sent to ietf-types@iana.org and www-smil@w3.org. Since the proposed media type for SMIL is an XML-based media type, I am forwarding this message to this list. For SMIL-unaware recipients to use XML-generic application programs for SMIL data, application/smil-xml would be better than application/xmil, as I see it. More about this issue, see Section 6 of a recently-published I-D for XML media types, which is available at: http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-murata-xml-02.txt Philipp Hoschka wrote: > Please review > > http://search.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-hoschka-smil-media-type-04.txt > > Note that this had already been reviewed at the end of 1998, but > it has not been submitted to the IESG afterwards for consideration > as informational RFC. Since there have been minor changes, I guess > it's better to go through another 2 week review on ietf-types. > > -Philipp Hoschka, W3C Makoto Fuji Xerox Information Systems Tel: +81-44-812-7230 Fax: +81-44-812-7231 E-mail: murata.makoto@fujixerox.co.jp