From apoorva@cisco.com Tue Mar 1 12:24:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C1953A6A24 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:24:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Drg0TvXRDk9J for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from yard.public.resource.org (ns1.media.org [192.101.98.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFBD3A68A4 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:24:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by yard.public.resource.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id p21KPJFW020944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:25:20 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=apoorva@cisco.com; l=5818; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1299011120; x=1300220720; h=mime-version:subject:date:message-id:from:to; bh=h8jjcHzUmSXIXqDh2A/AdGSHPoRC7mTd4uGinGd/9g4=; b=mYrLgFTMvs+Klirmm32qCgQOKMhBrWUcXza+Kiq2tMY3FJ1iyoRuFv+T yNpsaLBPKJAVHuUlYYLrSyV3GIWclvtF13xN6tblHLwU9KPYKIgjGZqny KpYX97Www/UsZq4VdG4JwkY2zgMUb/2OAscwPx5LTWPScUIK5cy4ATkah 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AooKAK/kbE2rR7Ht/2dsb2JhbACCTpVrhhiHfnShT5wLhWEEhRKKUw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,248,1297036800"; d="scan'208,217";a="267445906" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Mar 2011 20:25:14 +0000 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p21KPEY0021323 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:25:14 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-219.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.188]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:25:14 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CBD84E.C544DF6E" X-CR-Hashedpuzzle: DtBh DxlB D/Nh EJlJ ES4D EZKI FHIg GAdn HIr0 HkVo IhpP IjDe Il9r JG7Y Jkxs JmeX; 1; eABtAGwAMgByAGYAYwBAAGwAaQBzAHQAcwAuAHgAbQBsAC4AcgBlAHMAbwB1AHIAYwBlAC4AbwByAGcA; Sosha1_v1; 7; {5A78B2A8-11C6-4052-BA38-730B877CAF47}; YQBwAG8AbwByAHYAYQBAAGMAaQBzAGMAbwAuAGMAbwBtAA==; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 20:25:12 GMT; TABvAG8AawBpAG4AZwAgAGYAbwByACAAcgBmAGMAMgB4AG0AbAA= X-CR-Puzzleid: {5A78B2A8-11C6-4052-BA38-730B877CAF47} Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:25:12 -0800 Message-ID: <54B2CCDA210EAD4DB7D4E2555F91EB2C0633A973@xmb-sjc-219.amer.cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looking for rfc2xml Thread-Index: AcvYTsSCl5bN8OoqTd+0jnI7J6OuRA== From: "Apoorva Karan (apoorva)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2011 20:25:14.0086 (UTC) FILETIME=[C5635060:01CBD84E] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 12:25:17 -0800 Subject: [xml2rfc] Looking for rfc2xml X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 20:24:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBD84E.C544DF6E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, =20 Could someone point me to where I can find the rfc2xml tool ? I need to convert an internet draft .txt format to .xml. =20 Would .xml files of expired internet drafts be available somewhere on the internet ? =20 Thanks, Apoorva =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CBD84E.C544DF6E Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Folks,

 

Could someone point me to where I can find the = rfc2xml tool ? I need to convert an internet draft .txt format to = .xml.

 

Would .xml files of expired internet drafts be = available somewhere on the internet ?

 

Thanks,

Apoorva

 

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CBD84E.C544DF6E-- From tony.li@tony.li Tue Mar 1 12:28:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D8963A6A86 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:28:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gUeY4zdzUqiW for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:28:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from yard.public.resource.org (ns1.media.org [192.101.98.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 625113A68A4 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:28:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by yard.public.resource.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id p21KTSPw021331 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:29:29 -0800 Received: from omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.76]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DwV81g00c1eYJf8A1wVPYA; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 20:29:23 +0000 Received: from dhcp-171-70-245-114.cisco.com ([171.70.245.114]) by omta19.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id DwV41g00H2Up3dF01wV97A; Tue, 01 Mar 2011 20:29:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Tony Li In-Reply-To: <54B2CCDA210EAD4DB7D4E2555F91EB2C0633A973@xmb-sjc-219.amer.cisco.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:29:03 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5596B123-3431-4D81-A69A-4EB16983C19F@tony.li> References: <54B2CCDA210EAD4DB7D4E2555F91EB2C0633A973@xmb-sjc-219.amer.cisco.com> To: "Apoorva Karan (apoorva)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: xml2rfc@xml.resource.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Looking for rfc2xml X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 20:28:26 -0000 Try here: http://lmgtfy.com/ Tony On Mar 1, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Apoorva Karan (apoorva) wrote: > Folks, > =20 > Could someone point me to where I can find the rfc2xml tool ? I need = to convert an internet draft .txt format to .xml. > =20 > Would .xml files of expired internet drafts be available somewhere on = the internet ? > =20 > Thanks, > Apoorva > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc From julian.reschke@gmx.de Tue Mar 1 12:34:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7BE3A69F9 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:34:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.051 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.051 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.452, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DpXkQGmXrGnQ for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:34:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from yard.public.resource.org (ns1.media.org [192.101.98.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDDE3A67B5 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:34:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by yard.public.resource.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with SMTP id p21KZqie021919 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:35:54 -0800 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 01 Mar 2011 20:35:46 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.134]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp054) with SMTP; 01 Mar 2011 21:35:46 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+EKc59acqE+WTVWNYHBVsAiHcpl8XnAcY+WIxzSv e4lYSIyFLt5jLm Message-ID: <4D6D5895.7050909@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 21:35:33 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Apoorva Karan (apoorva)" References: <54B2CCDA210EAD4DB7D4E2555F91EB2C0633A973@xmb-sjc-219.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <54B2CCDA210EAD4DB7D4E2555F91EB2C0633A973@xmb-sjc-219.amer.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@xml.resource.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Looking for rfc2xml X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 20:34:52 -0000 On 01.03.2011 21:25, Apoorva Karan (apoorva) wrote: > Folks, > > Could someone point me to where I can find the rfc2xml tool ? I need to > convert an internet draft .txt format to .xml. I don't believe there's a good tool for that. > Would .xml files of expired internet drafts be available somewhere on > the internet ? When they were submitted with the TXT version they should be on tools.ietf.org. Best regards, Julian From fred@cisco.com Tue Mar 1 20:48:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3863A67ED for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:48:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.48 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.48 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.882, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NlmZtRvCqB1r for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from yard.public.resource.org (ns1.media.org [192.101.98.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394CC3A6B5D for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:48:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-3.cisco.com (sj-iport-3.cisco.com [171.71.176.72]) by yard.public.resource.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id p224neTF023220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:49:41 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=4385; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1299041381; x=1300250981; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to; bh=wkBDwcFMPKH/IGlvwz7XC1dJ5anHT/6mGYYxRmQVzXA=; b=kb268wZzzdRHcRcD2IXyRPb2mRVuVR8xlEv6VfCNDIP5r50D+zrqn7YD Q2wB+O3t6mxMcW0BcadaW7UPMg4kXwzFcf9nPQuIjlgoApKldBC7wK7D4 9t/E+WnZVKMMAI7yUIClYn147oKOWmjvPpXns1FrmRmlnvP8cDLnCo/rI 8=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,251,1297036800"; d="scan'208,217";a="272569980" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Mar 2011 04:49:34 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-219.cisco.com [10.32.244.219]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p224nYbM025350; Wed, 2 Mar 2011 04:49:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-496-759110853 From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <54B2CCDA210EAD4DB7D4E2555F91EB2C0633A973@xmb-sjc-219.amer.cisco.com> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:49:34 -0800 Message-Id: References: <54B2CCDA210EAD4DB7D4E2555F91EB2C0633A973@xmb-sjc-219.amer.cisco.com> To: "Apoorva Karan (apoorva)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: xml2rfc@xml.resource.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Looking for rfc2xml X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 04:48:39 -0000 --Apple-Mail-496-759110853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Google says that there is a project on sourceforge. I don't see any = files there - it's looks like it's just "a project". On Mar 1, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Apoorva Karan (apoorva) wrote: > Folks, > =20 > Could someone point me to where I can find the rfc2xml tool ? I need = to convert an internet draft .txt format to .xml. > =20 > Would .xml files of expired internet drafts be available somewhere on = the internet ? > =20 > Thanks, > Apoorva > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc --Apple-Mail-496-759110853 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Google says that there is a project on sourceforge. = I don't see any files there - it's looks like it's just "a = project".

On Mar 1, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Apoorva Karan = (apoorva) wrote:

Folks,
Could someone point me to where I = can find the rfc2xml tool ? I need to convert an internet draft .txt = format to .xml.
 
 
Apoorva
Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Looking for rfc2xml X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2011 04:54:21 -0000 Actually, there is a CVS repository with some C in it. Tony On Mar 1, 2011, at 8:49 PM, Fred Baker wrote: > Google says that there is a project on sourceforge. I don't see any = files there - it's looks like it's just "a project". >=20 > On Mar 1, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Apoorva Karan (apoorva) wrote: >=20 >> Folks, >> =20 >> Could someone point me to where I can find the rfc2xml tool ? I need = to convert an internet draft .txt format to .xml. >> =20 >> Would .xml files of expired internet drafts be available somewhere on = the internet ? >> =20 >> Thanks, >> Apoorva >> =20 >> =20 >> _______________________________________________ >> xml2rfc mailing list >> xml2rfc@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc >=20 > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc From yaakov_s@rad.com Thu Mar 10 04:01:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A4253A6A1E for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 04:01:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.114 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.114 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.484, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lBBCeyFZ-N6R for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 04:01:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from antivir1.rad.co.il (mx1-q.rad.co.il [80.74.100.136]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9EFA3A6933 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 04:01:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from exrad5.ad.rad.co.il ([192.114.24.28]) by antivir1.rad.co.il with ESMTP; 10 Mar 2011 14:02:48 +0200 Received: from EXUS4-DRP.ad.rad.co.il (192.114.24.119) by EXRAD5.ad.rad.co.il (192.114.24.28) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.218.12; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:02:41 +0200 Received: from EXRAD5.ad.rad.co.il ([fe80::ec3e:feb5:8bef:e3ba]) by exus4-drp.ad.rad.co.il ([fe80::5d6f:c2cb:2468:ee2%16]) with mapi id 14.01.0270.001; Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:02:40 +0200 From: Yaakov Stein To: "xml2rfc@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: xml2rfc progress indication Thread-Index: AcvfGw1G6XrUIgxqRtSo0ivlpoYe9Q== Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:02:39 +0000 Message-ID: <07F7D7DED63154409F13298786A2ADC903D151AC@EXRAD5.ad.rad.co.il> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.17.170.37] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_07F7D7DED63154409F13298786A2ADC903D151ACEXRAD5adradcoil_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [xml2rfc] xml2rfc progress indication X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:01:37 -0000 --_000_07F7D7DED63154409F13298786A2ADC903D151ACEXRAD5adradcoil_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One gripe I had with the xml2rfc tool is that it is so silent. On long IDs it is hard to know if is running and how far it has progressed. I made a small change to xml2rfc.tcl version 1.34. Between lines 9897 and 9898 I added code to print the output page on the ti= tle bar. The code now reads : set text [format "\[Page %d\]" $pageno] wm title . $text ; update incr pageno While running I now see (after a relatively short period of inactivity) the title bar running twice through the page numbers. Not elegant, but good enough. Thanks to Ilya Ginzburg, my resident tcl wizard. Y(J)S --_000_07F7D7DED63154409F13298786A2ADC903D151ACEXRAD5adradcoil_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One gripe I had with the xml2rfc tool is that it is = so silent.

On long IDs it is hard to know if is running and how= far it has progressed.

 

I made a small change to xml2rfc.tcl version 1.34.

Between lines 9897 and 9898 I added code to print th= e output page on the title bar.

The code now reads :

    set text [format "\[Page %d\= ]" $pageno]

    wm title . $text ; update

    incr pageno

 

While running I now see (after a relatively short pe= riod of inactivity)

the title bar running twice through the page numbers= .

 

Not elegant, but good enough.

 

Thanks to Ilya Ginzburg, my resident tcl wizard.

 

Y(J)S

 

--_000_07F7D7DED63154409F13298786A2ADC903D151ACEXRAD5adradcoil_-- From tony@att.com Wed Mar 30 04:35:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8CE28C162; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:35:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.466 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.466 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.133, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ADcbuK9uTDYr; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E8E28C15B; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:35:12 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-14.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1301485010!10338273!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 9192 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2011 11:36:51 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-14.tower-120.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 30 Mar 2011 11:36:51 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UBbE2V017763; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:37:14 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UBbAho017722; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:37:10 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UBaj5P023732; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:36:45 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UBagAb023646; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:36:42 -0400 Received: from [135.70.221.51] (vpn-135-70-221-51.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.221.51]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20110330113640gw100e4lhfe> (Authid: tony); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:36:41 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.221.51] Message-ID: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:36:39 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion , RFC Interest , XML2RFC Interest Group , RFC Editor , Glenn Kowack Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xml2rfc] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:35:13 -0000 One of the areas people still complain about with respect to writing internet drafts is how to get started. So I've been playing around with a tool to help create the xml2rfc XML for a -00 internet draft. It works in wizard fashion, asking you a variety of questions and generates the XML on the fly. At the end, you can either cut and paste the generated XML or click a download button to save it to a file. Please try it out: http://xml.resource.org/xml2rfc-wizard All thoughts on it are welcome, even if you think it's a horrible idea. If you think it's a good idea, I'd like to hear about improvements to the user interface, where did I go wrong, and what else is needed. Also, any thoughts on where to go from here would be appreciated. Is the notion of a set of wizards a good one? What other wizards would be helpful? I'm thinking that this wizard, and possibly others, would eventually be linked to from the xml.resource.org web page. Tony Hansen tony@att.com From tony@att.com Wed Mar 30 05:21:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7BBF28C18E; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:21:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.475 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.475 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.124, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xN-uldiYOz1k; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com (mail119.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00A628C154; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:21:02 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1301487761!11702703!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 13914 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2011 12:22:41 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-5.tower-119.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 30 Mar 2011 12:22:41 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UCN5wV032648; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:23:05 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UCMxaL032567; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:22:59 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UCMYsI010203; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:22:34 -0400 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2UCMS80009913; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:22:29 -0400 Received: from [135.70.221.51] (vpn-135-70-221-51.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.221.51]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20110330122226gw100e4lhie> (Authid: tony); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:22:28 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.221.51] Message-ID: <4D932081.1090004@att.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:22:25 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Brim References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: RFC Interest , Glenn Kowack , XML2RFC Interest Group , Tools Team Discussion , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] [Tools-discuss] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:21:07 -0000 On 3/30/2011 7:52 AM, Scott Brim wrote: > Cool! > > I tried it and ran the xml through xml.resource.org and got this. I > don't recall filling in facsimile. I might have. Ordering problem -- fixed. Reload to get the fix. One question: should the and similar fields be output even if they're not filled in? In other words, is it better to leave them in as an aid for people to fill in later when they're working on the XML, or is it better to just not list them? Tony From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Mar 30 05:46:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B9E28C12F for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:46:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YYzFWHNxdtKX for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:46:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 29ACA3A67FC for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 05:46:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2011 12:48:29 -0000 Received: from dhcp-536f.meeting.ietf.org (EHLO [130.129.83.111]) [130.129.83.111] by mail.gmx.net (mp060) with SMTP; 30 Mar 2011 14:48:29 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18SL5994MAS68bbcm9CW2dyHTLi19/JTWxFsho08p ums+7xIbpaszhk Message-ID: <4D932697.9080600@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:48:23 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Hansen References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> <4D932081.1090004@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4D932081.1090004@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Glenn Kowack , Tools Team Discussion , XML2RFC Interest Group , RFC Interest , Scott Brim , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] [Tools-discuss] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:46:53 -0000 On 30.03.2011 14:22, Tony Hansen wrote: > On 3/30/2011 7:52 AM, Scott Brim wrote: >> Cool! >> >> I tried it and ran the xml through xml.resource.org and got this. I >> don't recall filling in facsimile. I might have. > > Ordering problem -- fixed. Reload to get the fix. > > One question: should the and similar fields be output even > if they're not filled in? Nope. > In other words, is it better to leave them in as an aid for people to > fill in later when they're working on the XML, or is it better to just > not list them? You could include them, but comment them out. Best regards, Julian From scott.brim@gmail.com Wed Mar 30 04:50:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AAB28C13D; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:50:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.582 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.582 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sjgKsGgct0Al; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CC828C157; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:50:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iye19 with SMTP id 19so1358409iye.31 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:52:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=zAdwVWYZqLVW6DRPwzSd2G2y5YlhBrYeC3qnPGbe9Yc=; b=tEVmapCHEpWFmmfTIgPrL/q/efTCV2F0nKhdjaxl3ppvzSuOvPhTuXVr/37UZDFplM OjiHIMAgF9X1x5yNDBHCUhu2OM/j+iWZpy5cwZzwP+QvZTfS+VKLlmvWBdXdRfDuA0YA Yge1vT1j88aSoaYjnfBZ9mYT2U/R2FLW4Trno= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; b=RAD4Cvro4redhyMpYqXYVDA9m9nARNKl+SvKclQ9GMeJkDREuiz5hZsnf9SsSCr3lR WlzlEWxqrDBzrE9XDscNTCzCIl7GHipiR4Jo24PbRR0MbCbMvLXE+8IeLCnaDO12z2fl 9ndcsX1T/H8iU0bbOcyzciiW6d7xeg3IJZcXw= Received: by 10.43.61.148 with SMTP id ww20mr1148348icb.482.1301485951106; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:52:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.225.133 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:52:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> From: Scott Brim Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:52:11 +0200 Message-ID: To: Tony Hansen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:10:46 -0700 Cc: RFC Interest , Glenn Kowack , XML2RFC Interest Group , Tools Team Discussion , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] [Tools-discuss] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:50:54 -0000 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 13:36, Tony Hansen wrote: > One of the areas people still complain about with respect to writing > internet drafts is how to get started. > > So I've been playing around with a tool to help create the xml2rfc XML for a > -00 internet draft. It works in wizard fashion, asking you a variety of > questions and generates the XML on the fly. At the end, you can either cut > and paste the generated XML or click a download button to save it to a file. > > Please try it out: http://xml.resource.org/xml2rfc-wizard > > All thoughts on it are welcome, even if you think it's a horrible idea. If > you think it's a good idea, I'd like to hear about improvements to the user > interface, where did I go wrong, and what else is needed. > > Also, any thoughts on where to go from here would be appreciated. Is the > notion of a set of wizards a good one? What other wizards would be helpful? > > I'm thinking that this wizard, and possibly others, would eventually be > linked to from the xml.resource.org web page. Cool! I tried it and ran the xml through xml.resource.org and got this. I don't recall filling in facsimile. I might have. xml2rfc: error: xml2rfc: error: with content model {postal ? phone ? facsimile ? email ? uri ?} for
, seen {postal phone email uri} so far, now expecting
, but not around input line 40 in "internally-preprocessed XML" Syntax: 40: 29:
27: 25: 24: Source around there is: The Truth About Cats and Dogs ASPCA
6 Green Street Elmwood Ohio 48292 USA catsanddogs@hotmail.com Elmwood
ARF Cats and dogs like each other. From cabo@tzi.org Wed Mar 30 04:54:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9934628C13D; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:54:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fl+KLPfIQp2P; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2933328C132; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 04:54:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2UBtitf008643; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:55:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dhcp-9066.meeting.ietf.org (unknown [130.129.8.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45E49604; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:55:44 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:55:42 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <87144BC2-8793-408C-814C-EEC2E73E2D85@tzi.org> References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> To: Tony Hansen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:10:46 -0700 Cc: RFC Interest , Glenn Kowack , XML2RFC Interest Group , Tools Team Discussion , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] [Tools-discuss] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:54:17 -0000 Good stuff. Once you have created the XML hieroglyphics, you might want to try a = tool like kramdown-rfc2629 to write the actual text. (Only will help = you much if you have experienced plaintext "wiki-style" writing as in = markdown etc.) https://github.com/cabo/kramdown-rfc2629 (Just do: gem install kramdown-rfc2629 if your laptop has somewhat recent tools.) JFYI. Gruesse, Carsten From fred@cisco.com Wed Mar 30 08:39:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E303A6B61; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:39:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OUMgByx18jJq; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:39:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72C923A6B7A; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:39:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=981; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1301499650; x=1302709250; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wlbK9M5coE9Tc+gH7XUf+3r/E6fXeSthm37ldxz8p/8=; b=IOaW4Sqqp5Sg0bC4K07lvptoRpWUDA2X1NGg6tKDvCEAOC81NO3BkXal YXj+yH9JKbw40PWrkTkJgSG/8wThdnDeqsNsW6a70ZAAMauK092litJdv MYH5soluuVpDM34Z3/KuHN4GHXBCFZs4IcLDdZ41ZhoXVS7Kgh81rfwRs c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8DALxNk02Q/khMgWdsb2JhbAClURQBARYmJaESnGSFagSNBoNV X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.63,269,1299456000"; d="scan'208";a="23820174" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Mar 2011 15:40:48 +0000 Received: from dhcp-57cd.meeting.ietf.org (ams3-vpn-dhcp5880.cisco.com [10.61.86.247]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p2UFei5m025546; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:40:48 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by dhcp-57cd.meeting.ietf.org (PGP Universal service); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:40:48 +0200 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by dhcp-57cd.meeting.ietf.org on Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:40:48 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <4D932081.1090004@att.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:40:36 +0200 Message-Id: References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> <4D932081.1090004@att.com> To: Tony Hansen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Glenn Kowack , Tools Team Discussion , XML2RFC Interest Group , RFC Interest , Scott Brim , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] [rfc-i] [Tools-discuss] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:39:15 -0000 On Mar 30, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: > One question: should the and similar fields be output = even if they're not filled in? That's really a question of the DTD; there are some (organization in the = author block) that are required even if empty, and some that are = required (year in the date specification) but can be inferred by the = tool. What you want to do is "do no harm", and make it easy for the = consumer of the file to know what options they have that they may not = have used. One way to do that is to specify everything even if empty, = and as a quick solution it has something to recommend it. After the = fact, I'm not sure it's all that important, and I could imagine tools = like XMLMind interpreting the DTD and as a result not including them = when *they* store them. I personally don't mind which you do. But if it was me, I would probably = specify them all just to make sure that any subtleties were finessed.= From nico@cryptonector.com Wed Mar 30 08:45:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE053A6A33; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:45:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TdWbJAAEn5-E; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a34.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcaib.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BD93A6B71; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a34.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a34.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42F410060; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:46:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cryptonector.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc: content-type; q=dns; s=cryptonector.com; b=dJ7yfQaPea4SoxXyEVsPS x/c1hYzhyLrhf1VzwVcXTXdflNe54AzFYETYJkk9sopmyfT5xYYyB0PlEtpokFgI PWjeoBmYbVxg/C2vb6Q2d2Cq5/4RFQYPJ+4yE/lx5zCgau+LtBbYPylhZArzhtTY mvi0vz7EA7VH4b7SjsbChQ= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type; s=cryptonector.com; bh=+Y/DP5Jp7N5K7JX/qNMc u8pSlHM=; b=DjfBdV8CVfC3W0fGFWBF5+zzyu2wNH7lYBHfD5dMJXOraUoCO/CP IzdsjtY+Hm8KqOM4QQ+ny1uZEpT1G/LNnoxGouOC8ilP9bOCrt7etB+w7LFW94GI 5J7DIrETDUW4649DdYhblpPqRLLoXVUjD2Dx1rtAogKwe3TuTUs04f4= Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a34.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 343F910062; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wyb29 with SMTP id 29so1349611wyb.31 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:46:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.245.6 with SMTP id n6mr877215wer.40.1301499996873; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.64.74 with HTTP; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:46:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:46:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Tony Hansen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: RFC Interest , Glenn Kowack , XML2RFC Interest Group , Tools Team Discussion , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 15:45:00 -0000 Neat! (Now the trick is to write an xml2rfc wysiwyg AJAX editor! :-)) It was fun driving your xml2rfc wizard. Nico -- From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Mar 30 09:01:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3AB3A6A3B for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:01:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.313 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.313 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.714, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OIx+YfrsB+TS for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 572B43A6A20 for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Mar 2011 16:02:47 -0000 Received: from dhcp-536f.meeting.ietf.org (EHLO [130.129.83.111]) [130.129.83.111] by mail.gmx.net (mp029) with SMTP; 30 Mar 2011 18:02:47 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18GXYIIcksGSdtQEGbQBTlqe5jwiUdeHcQPDlrxN9 LlACfVe+iEx9cT Message-ID: <4D935424.6020200@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:02:44 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Baker References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> <4D932081.1090004@att.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Glenn Kowack , Tools Team Discussion , XML2RFC Interest Group , RFC Interest , Scott Brim , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] [rfc-i] [Tools-discuss] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:01:10 -0000 On 30.03.2011 17:40, Fred Baker wrote: > > On Mar 30, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: >> One question: should the and similar fields be output even if they're not filled in? > > That's really a question of the DTD; there are some (organization in the author block) that are required even if empty, and some that are required (year in the date specification) but can be inferred by the tool. What you want to do is "do no harm", and make it easy for the consumer of the file to know what options they have that they may not have used. One way to do that is to specify everything even if empty, and as a quick solution it has something to recommend it. After the fact, I'm not sure it's all that important, and I could imagine tools like XMLMind interpreting the DTD and as a result not including them when *they* store them. isn't required anymore ((I think we changed that in 1.34). > I personally don't mind which you do. But if it was me, I would probably specify them all just to make sure that any subtleties were finessed. Well, absence of an element is different from it being empty. Even íf xml2rfc may treat them the same way we shouldn't rely on that. BR, Julian From tony@att.com Thu Mar 31 04:10:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9BB28C0F7; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:10:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.479 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.479 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.120, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VD9NapjHvxgQ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CC73A6B3B; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 04:10:34 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1301569932!10531357!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 2746 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2011 11:12:13 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-12.tower-120.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 31 Mar 2011 11:12:13 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VBCZsh019766; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:12:36 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VBCXIK019750; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:12:34 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VBC9ld023441; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:12:09 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VBC1PN023001; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:12:02 -0400 Received: from [135.70.28.201] (vpn-135-70-28-201.vpn.west.att.com[135.70.28.201]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20110331111158gw100e4lm1e> (Authid: tony); Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:12:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.28.201] Message-ID: <4D94617C.7060107@att.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:11:56 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tools Team Discussion , RFC Interest , XML2RFC Interest Group , RFC Editor , Glenn Kowack References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:10:39 -0000 Thank you everyone who's tried out the XML2RFC internet draft creation wizard. I've folded in most of the comments and I think it's just about ready to release to the community. I'd appreciate any further comments before I do so (probably tomorrow). One of the comments suggested showing the output of xml2rfc as things are being generated. The current form does absolutely nothing remotely until the very end when you want to download the file to your browser, and I think the overhead of showing the xml2rfc output constantly would be onerous. However, it *would* be possible to add in a "preview" button on the final page. What do people think of that idea? Tony On 3/30/2011 7:36 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: > One of the areas people still complain about with respect to writing > internet drafts is how to get started. > > So I've been playing around with a tool to help create the xml2rfc XML > for a -00 internet draft. It works in wizard fashion, asking you a > variety of questions and generates the XML on the fly. At the end, you > can either cut and paste the generated XML or click a download button > to save it to a file. > > Please try it out: http://xml.resource.org/xml2rfc-wizard > > All thoughts on it are welcome, even if you think it's a horrible > idea. If you think it's a good idea, I'd like to hear about > improvements to the user interface, where did I go wrong, and what > else is needed. > > Also, any thoughts on where to go from here would be appreciated. Is > the notion of a set of wizards a good one? What other wizards would be > helpful? > > I'm thinking that this wizard, and possibly others, would eventually > be linked to from the xml.resource.org web page. > > Tony Hansen > tony@att.com From dbharrington@comcast.net Thu Mar 31 05:00:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E1D3A6B48 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:00:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mMCodPHgdQ3T for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5423A6B12 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.12]) by qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id RnxG1g0050Fqzac52o29sl; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:02:09 +0000 Received: from davidPC ([130.129.68.162]) by omta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ro1l1g00a3W3hpu3Uo1oUX; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:02:07 +0000 From: "David B Harrington" To: "'Tony Hansen'" , "'Tools Team Discussion'" , "'RFC Interest'" , "'XML2RFC Interest Group'" , "'RFC Editor'" , "'Glenn Kowack'" References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> <4D94617C.7060107@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4D94617C.7060107@att.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:01:43 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.1.7600.16543 Thread-Index: AcvvlIEU49mPpHQqQXGgpzvwc+4bwwABgdSQ Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:00:30 -0000 Hi, There are xml2rfc templates for MIB documents, with sections and boilerplate needed for MIB documents. But authors can take a generic xml2rfc doc and install the appropriate sections and boilerplate themselves. I don't know if you want to try to include that in your tool. The MIB document templates can be found at tools.ietf.org and I'm available to advise. There has been some discussion of developing comparable templates for other data modules as well, such as YANG. dbh > -----Original Message----- > From: xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tony Hansen > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 1:12 PM > To: Tools Team Discussion; RFC Interest; XML2RFC Interest > Group; RFC Editor; Glenn Kowack > Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool > > Thank you everyone who's tried out the XML2RFC internet draft > creation > wizard. I've folded in most of the comments and I think it's > just about > ready to release to the community. > > I'd appreciate any further comments before I do so (probably > tomorrow). > > One of the comments suggested showing the output of xml2rfc as things > are being generated. The current form does absolutely nothing > remotely > until the very end when you want to download the file to your > browser, > and I think the overhead of showing the xml2rfc output > constantly would > be onerous. However, it *would* be possible to add in a > "preview" button > on the final page. What do people think of that idea? > > Tony > > On 3/30/2011 7:36 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: > > One of the areas people still complain about with respect > to writing > > internet drafts is how to get started. > > > > So I've been playing around with a tool to help create the > xml2rfc XML > > for a -00 internet draft. It works in wizard fashion, asking you a > > variety of questions and generates the XML on the fly. At > the end, you > > can either cut and paste the generated XML or click a > download button > > to save it to a file. > > > > Please try it out: http://xml.resource.org/xml2rfc-wizard > > > > All thoughts on it are welcome, even if you think it's a horrible > > idea. If you think it's a good idea, I'd like to hear about > > improvements to the user interface, where did I go wrong, and what > > else is needed. > > > > Also, any thoughts on where to go from here would be > appreciated. Is > > the notion of a set of wizards a good one? What other > wizards would be > > helpful? > > > > I'm thinking that this wizard, and possibly others, would > eventually > > be linked to from the xml.resource.org web page. > > > > Tony Hansen > > tony@att.com > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > From tony@att.com Thu Mar 31 08:55:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BD73A6B32; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:55:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.491 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.491 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.108, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VTb-oLhUW45c; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com (mail119.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.195]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07CE3A6B49; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:55:10 -0700 (PDT) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1301587010!11953694!1 X-StarScan-Version: 6.2.9; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] Received: (qmail 25855 invoked from network); 31 Mar 2011 15:56:50 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-12.tower-119.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 31 Mar 2011 15:56:50 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VFvDLn004523; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:57:14 -0400 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VFv8td004411; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:57:08 -0400 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VFuiwl026788; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:56:44 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p2VFufJm026648; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:56:41 -0400 Received: from [135.70.245.70] (vpn-135-70-245-70.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.245.70]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20110331155639gw100e4m2ge> (Authid: tony); Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:56:40 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.245.70] Message-ID: <4D94A0A1.8030609@att.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 11:41:21 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David B Harrington References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> <4D94617C.7060107@att.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: 'RFC Interest' , 'Glenn Kowack' , 'XML2RFC Interest Group' , 'Tools Team Discussion' , 'RFC Editor' Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] [Tools-discuss] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:55:20 -0000 Would adding a single question along the lines of Do you plan on this being a Management Information Base (MIB) document? [no|yes] do? If they say yes, then the sections relevant to MIBs would be added to the XML document. Tony On 3/31/2011 8:01 AM, David B Harrington wrote: > There are xml2rfc templates for MIB documents, with sections and > boilerplate needed for MIB documents. > But authors can take a generic xml2rfc doc and install the appropriate > sections and boilerplate themselves. > I don't know if you want to try to include that in your tool. > The MIB document templates can be found at tools.ietf.org and I'm > available to advise. > There has been some discussion of developing comparable templates for > other data modules as well, such as YANG. From elwynd@dial.pipex.com Thu Mar 31 15:54:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C552E3A67F4; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:54:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.233 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.233 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-4.066, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_DB=0.888, HELO_DYNAMIC_SPLIT_IP=3.493, HELO_EQ_IP_ADDR=1.119, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=2.067, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id onVx+OtHiBI9; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c.painless.aaisp.net.uk (c.painless.aaisp.net.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:0:30::51bb:1e35]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0033A67EE; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 15:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 251.254.187.81.in-addr.arpa ([81.187.254.251]) by c.painless.aaisp.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5Qmz-0005iI-9Q; Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:56:29 +0100 Message-ID: <4D95068C.8010002@dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 23:56:12 +0100 From: Elwyn Davies User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Hansen References: <4D9315C7.1010100@att.com> <4D94617C.7060107@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4D94617C.7060107@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: RFC Interest , Glenn Kowack , XML2RFC Interest Group , Tools Team Discussion , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] prototype xml2rfc creation wizard tool X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: elwynd@dial.pipex.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:54:57 -0000 Quite useful. Particularly for author and references. Oned thing I have considered (indeed once started on) were tools to produce author fragments and reference fragments which are the most tedious bits IMO Nits Why does the Phone number entry appear twice in author input? You could save people a bit of typing by putting draft- or RFC in front of the reference fields. Should keywords be allowed white space or not? Regards, Elwyn Tony Hansen wrote: > Thank you everyone who's tried out the XML2RFC internet draft creation > wizard. I've folded in most of the comments and I think it's just > about ready to release to the community. > > I'd appreciate any further comments before I do so (probably tomorrow). > > One of the comments suggested showing the output of xml2rfc as things > are being generated. The current form does absolutely nothing remotely > until the very end when you want to download the file to your browser, > and I think the overhead of showing the xml2rfc output constantly > would be onerous. However, it *would* be possible to add in a > "preview" button on the final page. What do people think of that idea? > > Tony > > On 3/30/2011 7:36 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: >> One of the areas people still complain about with respect to writing >> internet drafts is how to get started. >> >> So I've been playing around with a tool to help create the xml2rfc >> XML for a -00 internet draft. It works in wizard fashion, asking you >> a variety of questions and generates the XML on the fly. At the end, >> you can either cut and paste the generated XML or click a download >> button to save it to a file. >> >> Please try it out: http://xml.resource.org/xml2rfc-wizard >> >> All thoughts on it are welcome, even if you think it's a horrible >> idea. If you think it's a good idea, I'd like to hear about >> improvements to the user interface, where did I go wrong, and what >> else is needed. >> >> Also, any thoughts on where to go from here would be appreciated. Is >> the notion of a set of wizards a good one? What other wizards would >> be helpful? >> >> I'm thinking that this wizard, and possibly others, would eventually >> be linked to from the xml.resource.org web page. >> >> Tony Hansen >> tony@att.com > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc