From fernando.gont.netbook.win@gmail.com Tue Nov 1 05:18:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8EA11E81D0 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 05:18:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.782 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.782 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZEDrrdXpFDtl for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 05:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yard.public.resource.org (unknown [192.101.98.232]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049E411E819A for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 05:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f43.google.com (mail-yw0-f43.google.com [209.85.213.43]) by yard.public.resource.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id pA1CI3At004148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 05:18:05 -0700 Received: by ywp17 with SMTP id 17so8622233ywp.2 for ; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 05:17:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2wNtdASmDNCJLpaCV3xNa3GhToz7N+BepHIZxiV+//w=; b=aEdoEvA26fUQlMz9AAGKOlpq+2Iqq+NoVetYYYJnUB06OeveSQCalG2EvyCaxtVHNU Bpj1JAdiMGJeXjyRxgj9PMO++2spp7tjEZrhftegttr9Cygosx9Fv5EZ4Nv2VYKy5Hfa tnIuzinBPwXgenLiYIf0fWjGj6mfzvpsLxjgk= Received: by 10.147.92.4 with SMTP id u4mr3513429yal.13.1320149878548; Tue, 01 Nov 2011 05:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [135.153.2.202] ([187.33.33.162]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l8sm61336047anb.1.2011.11.01.05.17.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 01 Nov 2011 05:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Fernando Gont Message-ID: <4EAFE373.6000602@gont.com.ar> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 09:17:55 -0300 From: Fernando Gont User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110922 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@xml.resource.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xml2rfc] Line breaks within table cells X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 12:18:07 -0000 Folks, Does anyone know how to produce a line break within a table cell? That is, I'd like to produce this kind of output: +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+ | TITLE | N/A | N/A | N/A | +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+ | LINE 1 | Rate-L | Rate-L | Rate-L | | LINE 2 | | | | +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+ As it can be easily seen, there's a line break between "LINE 1" and "LINE 2". I tried with "", but it results in an error. Any help? Thanks! Best regards, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@acm.org PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 From miekg@atoom.net Tue Nov 1 06:08:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA9A1F0C60 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 06:08:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.111 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.111 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cQY385xpEBqD for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 06:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elektron.atoom.net (cl-201.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:7b8:2ff:c8::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CBF1F0C42 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 06:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by elektron.atoom.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A3F8840029; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:08:39 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:08:39 +0100 From: Miek Gieben To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Message-ID: <20111101130839.GA21593@miek.nl> References: <4EAFE373.6000602@gont.com.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4EAFE373.6000602@gont.com.ar> User-Agent: Vim/Mutt/Linux X-Home: http://www.miek.nl Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Line breaks within table cells X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:08:43 -0000 --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [ Quoting at 09:17 on Nov 1 in "[xml2rfc] Line brea= k..." ] > Folks, >=20 > Does anyone know how to produce a line break within a table cell? >=20 > That is, I'd like to produce this kind of output: >=20 > +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+ > | TITLE | N/A | N/A | N/A | > +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+ > | LINE 1 | Rate-L | Rate-L | Rate-L | > | LINE 2 | | | | > +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+ >=20 > As it can be easily seen, there's a line break between "LINE 1" and > "LINE 2". I tried with "", but it results in an > error. Can't you use a paragraph? LINE1 LINE2 Or otherwise fall back to an grtz Miek --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6v71cACgkQJYuFzziA0PbWkACgnIyVq7zVUx9qbBdEosWLI/bh IscAoOIScWLlugiLPtrALaVWIx5Zftc2 =27FF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --6c2NcOVqGQ03X4Wi-- From lars.eggert@nokia.com Tue Nov 1 06:12:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617D221F9465 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 06:12:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.573 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.573 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.136, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tygojmHh0u8p for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 06:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yard.public.resource.org (unknown [192.101.98.232]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF1121F8B7B for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 06:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-da02.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.26]) by yard.public.resource.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Debian-2build1) with ESMTP id pA1DCB80008698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 06:12:13 -0700 Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-da02.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id pA1DBxdn032231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:12:01 +0200 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.2 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1EDAB9FD-3008-46F7-999E-1C32C58AE6F7"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <4EAFE373.6000602@gont.com.ar> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:11:56 +0200 Message-Id: <6F59D905-2068-4329-A50E-3CAB89EEA653@nokia.com> References: <4EAFE373.6000602@gont.com.ar> To: Fernando Gont X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Tue, 01 Nov 2011 15:11:57 +0200 (EET) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: xml2rfc@xml.resource.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Line breaks within table cells X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:12:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1EDAB9FD-3008-46F7-999E-1C32C58AE6F7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Put LINE 1 and LINE 2 into two rows and leave the cells in the "N/A" = columns empty in the second row. (That's what we did for the table in = http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5405#section-5) Lars On 2011-11-1, at 14:17, Fernando Gont wrote: > Folks, >=20 > Does anyone know how to produce a line break within a table cell? >=20 > That is, I'd like to produce this kind of output: >=20 > +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+ > | TITLE | N/A | N/A | N/A | > +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+ > | LINE 1 | Rate-L | Rate-L | Rate-L | > | LINE 2 | | | | > +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+ >=20 > As it can be easily seen, there's a line break between "LINE 1" and > "LINE 2". 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Tue, 01 Nov 2011 21:13:26 -0000 On 1 November 2011 13:17, Fernando Gont wrote: > I tried with "", but it > results in an error. Oddly the DTD doesn't allow this. It's odd for me, because XHTML allows
, and is very similar. Have you tested this: .... ..... The DTD claims that xml:space="preserve" is allowed, and if it works the line break in a "spanx" in a "c" should survive the XML processing. -Frank From fernando.gont.netbook.win@gmail.com Wed Nov 2 19:26:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 017351F0C47 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:26:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.577 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.577 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.022, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.044, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f2-zg8zojeul for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D8D1F0C36 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ywt2 with SMTP id 2so913278ywt.31 for ; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:26:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PgFJua4rt4ha5YqNooK1IbVxjCp1ek5hllSyGvacokQ=; b=EWcxEK9eD/NwZRAYw7sFAla45wnUxrCrOEivusB1omyF3PZYHllun6lJJO6yYbrGrE EiAQCtsMCRtjAAX1myfErSQ/5KjQJTTwnoEqJxkd7rhS4LZ590+lDH/PbVIfXbSMwql0 OqERksla/LGrBbrp22YIGKy4yyIQgX6VgQmfA= Received: by 10.236.181.198 with SMTP id l46mr10468672yhm.96.1320287171102; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.102] ([190.48.226.169]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o50sm7141517yhl.9.2011.11.02.19.26.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Fernando Gont Message-ID: <4EB1B23D.8050603@gont.com.ar> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 18:12:29 -0300 From: Fernando Gont User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110922 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Miek Gieben References: <4EAFE373.6000602@gont.com.ar> <20111101130839.GA21593@miek.nl> In-Reply-To: <20111101130839.GA21593@miek.nl> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Line breaks within table cells X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 02:26:12 -0000 On 11/01/2011 10:08 AM, Miek Gieben wrote: >> That is, I'd like to produce this kind of output: >> >> +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+ >> | TITLE | N/A | N/A | N/A | >> +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+ >> | LINE 1 | Rate-L | Rate-L | Rate-L | >> | LINE 2 | | | | >> +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+ >> >> As it can be easily seen, there's a line break between "LINE 1" and >> "LINE 2". I tried with "", but it results in an >> error. > > Can't you use a paragraph? > > LINE1 > LINE2 This would leave a blank line between "LINE 1" and "LINE 2". > Or otherwise fall back to an I will try Lars suggestion, which he mention has solve this issue for them. -- otherwise, I guess I could do or 
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Hi, Lars,

The problem is that I'd like the whole table to look like this:

 +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
 |            TITLE                |    N/A    |   N/A  |     N/A    |
 +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
 |            LINE 1               |   Rate-L  | Rate-L |   Rate-L   |
 |            LINE 2               |           |        |            |
 +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
 |            LINE 3               |   Rate-L  | Rate-L |   Rate-L   |
 |            LINE 4               |           |        |            |
 +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+

That is, I'd like to include the cell division (with the "style='all'"
tag), too... and I think the approach you describe wouldn't allow me to
do that... -- Are you aware of any way to achieve this?

P.S.: Worst-case scenario, I'll live without the cell-division, or could
probably try "" or "
" (although these last two would be
ugly to use..)

Thanks!

Best regards,
Fernando




On 11/01/2011 10:11 AM, Lars Eggert wrote:
> Put LINE 1 and LINE 2 into two rows and leave the cells in the "N/A" columns empty in the second row. (That's what we did for the table in http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5405#section-5)
> 
> Lars
> 
> On 2011-11-1, at 14:17, Fernando Gont wrote:
> 
>> Folks,
>>
>> Does anyone know how to produce a line break within a table cell?
>>
>> That is, I'd like to produce this kind of output:
>>
>> +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
>> |            TITLE                |    N/A    |   N/A  |     N/A    |
>> +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
>> |            LINE 1               |   Rate-L  | Rate-L |   Rate-L   |
>> |            LINE 2               |           |        |            |
>> +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
>>
>> As it can be easily seen, there's a line break between "LINE 1" and
>> "LINE 2". I tried with "", but it results in an
>> error.
>>
>> Any help?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> -- 
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Hi,

On 2011-11-3, at 1:06, Fernando Gont wrote:
> The problem is that I'd like the whole table to look like this:
>=20
> +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
> |            TITLE                |    N/A    |   N/A  |     N/A    |
> +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
> |            LINE 1               |   Rate-L  | Rate-L |   Rate-L   |
> |            LINE 2               |           |        |            |
> +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
> |            LINE 3               |   Rate-L  | Rate-L |   Rate-L   |
> |            LINE 4               |           |        |            |
> +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
>=20
> That is, I'd like to include the cell division (with the "style=3D'all'"=

> tag), too... and I think the approach you describe wouldn't allow me =
to
> do that... -- Are you aware of any way to achieve this?

nope. That's why we settled for blank lines as dividers.

Lars

>=20
> P.S.: Worst-case scenario, I'll live without the cell-division, or =
could
> probably try "" or "
" (although these last two would be
> ugly to use..)
>=20
> Thanks!
>=20
> Best regards,
> Fernando
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 11/01/2011 10:11 AM, Lars Eggert wrote:
>> Put LINE 1 and LINE 2 into two rows and leave the cells in the "N/A" =
columns empty in the second row. (That's what we did for the table in =
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5405#section-5)
>>=20
>> Lars
>>=20
>> On 2011-11-1, at 14:17, Fernando Gont wrote:
>>=20
>>> Folks,
>>>=20
>>> Does anyone know how to produce a line break within a table cell?
>>>=20
>>> That is, I'd like to produce this kind of output:
>>>=20
>>> =
+---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
>>> |            TITLE                |    N/A    |   N/A  |     N/A    =
|
>>> =
+---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
>>> |            LINE 1               |   Rate-L  | Rate-L |   Rate-L   =
|
>>> |            LINE 2               |           |        |            =
|
>>> =
+---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
>>>=20
>>> As it can be easily seen, there's a line break between "LINE 1" and
>>> "LINE 2". I tried with "", but it results =
in an
>>> error.
>>>=20
>>> Any help?
>>>=20
>>> Thanks!
>>>=20
>>> Best regards,
>>> --=20
>>> Fernando Gont
>>> e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@acm.org
>>> PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
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>>=20
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> --=20
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org] On
> Behalf Of Fernando Gont
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 4:06 PM
> To: Lars Eggert
> Cc: xml2rfc@xml.resource.org
> Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Line breaks within table cells
> 
> Hi, Lars,
> 
> The problem is that I'd like the whole table to look like this:
> 
>  +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
>  |            TITLE                |    N/A    |   N/A  |     N/A    |
>  +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
>  |            LINE 1               |   Rate-L  | Rate-L |   Rate-L   |
>  |            LINE 2               |           |        |            |
>  +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
>  |            LINE 3               |   Rate-L  | Rate-L |   Rate-L   |
>  |            LINE 4               |           |        |            |
>  +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------+
> 
> That is, I'd like to include the cell division (with the "style='all'"
> tag), too... and I think the approach you describe wouldn't allow me to
> do that... -- Are you aware of any way to achieve this?
> 
> P.S.: Worst-case scenario, I'll live without the cell-division, or
> could
> probably try "" or "
" (although these last two would be
> ugly to use..)

Instead of fighting with it, I just do ASCII art in a 
.  If
all you need (need, not "want") is the TXT output, it's only the TXT
that matters..

-d



> Thanks!
> 
> Best regards,
> Fernando
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/01/2011 10:11 AM, Lars Eggert wrote:
> > Put LINE 1 and LINE 2 into two rows and leave the cells in the "N/A"
> columns empty in the second row. (That's what we did for the table in
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5405#section-5)
> >
> > Lars
> >
> > On 2011-11-1, at 14:17, Fernando Gont wrote:
> >
> >> Folks,
> >>
> >> Does anyone know how to produce a line break within a table cell?
> >>
> >> That is, I'd like to produce this kind of output:
> >>
> >> +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------
> +
> >> |            TITLE                |    N/A    |   N/A  |     N/A
> |
> >> +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------
> +
> >> |            LINE 1               |   Rate-L  | Rate-L |   Rate-L
> |
> >> |            LINE 2               |           |        |
> |
> >> +---------------------------------+-----------+--------+------------
> +
> >>
> >> As it can be easily seen, there's a line break between "LINE 1" and
> >> "LINE 2". I tried with "", but it results
> in an
> >> error.
> >>
> >> Any help?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> --
> >> Fernando Gont
> >> e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@acm.org
> >> PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> 
> 
> --
> Fernando Gont
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Hi, at the moment rfcedstyle="yes" produces horrible references for
long anchors, e.g., if the longest name is [I-D.freed-media-type-regs]
(27 char.s) all references are indented to column 3+27+2.

A workaround is to download and tweak the "bibxml" snippet manually,
and for [XML-names] instead of [REC-xml-names-20091208] I did that.

An even simpler workaround is to use rfcedstyle="no", that results
in an indent to column 3+11 suited for [RFCnnnn] and [RFCnnnnn] (10).

But it is too short for [XML-names] (11) or [EcmaScript] (12).  How
about a new default 3+13 for the indent magic?  "16" is a well-known
column for some tools including my text editor.

-Frank

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On 23 October 2011 15:53, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:

Update on the   hack:

>>>> To suppress the non-applicable WG I tried  
>>>> as WG.

>>> That still leaves "Network Working Group" at the
>>> top.

>> Oops, no,   worked for me.

> Ah! =A0Ok, I should try that again, then.

It turns out that xml2rfc supports   as "WG",
but then the I-D submit tool does not more find
the author.  I've replaced   by . (dot), that
worked.  No cancel problem this time, as promised ;-)

Oddly my old failed "fix stuck I-D N by new N+1"
attempt still existed "somewhere" (apparently the
name of this limbo is "staging area").  This time
the "send cancel URL" was no problem.

-Frank

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On 2011-11-14 05:45, Frank Ellermann wrote:
> On 23 October 2011 15:53, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>
> Update on the   hack:
>
>>>>> To suppress the non-applicable WG I tried 
>>>>> as WG.
>
>>>> That still leaves "Network Working Group" at the
>>>> top.
>
>>> Oops, no,  worked for me.
>
>> Ah!  Ok, I should try that again, then.
>
> It turns out that xml2rfc supports  as "WG",
> but then the I-D submit tool does not more find
> the author.  I've replaced  by . (dot), that
> worked.  No cancel problem this time, as promised ;-)
>
> Oddly my old failed "fix stuck I-D N by new N+1"
> attempt still existed "somewhere" (apparently the
> name of this limbo is "staging area").  This time
> the "send cancel URL" was no problem.

Frank,

I'm struggling to understand the use case you're after. Could you 
rephrase all of this into a concrete feature request?

Best regards, Julian

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On 14 November 2011 10:24, Julian Reschke wrote:

> I'm struggling to understand the use case you're after.

Yes, I'm also struggling to understand what *exactly* I'm
after.  The I-D was (in 2008) a proposal to create an IETF
RFC.  It would require some major work to do this, and it
would involve things I don't really know (schema or relax
or whatever is state of the art, certainly not my limited
"can read DTD" knowledge).

There were no takers.  Inspired by happIANA discussions I
thought that an ordinary "please register this well-known
MIME type" draft could do the trick, after all that's in
theory possible.

For that the I-D has to be "not for RFC", "not IETF", "no
WG", and "independent submission" in no particular order.

The "not for RFC" boilerplate was a very bad idea, I've
fixed that.  The "no WG" hack   went well as far as
xml2rfc is concerned, but it spooked the datatacker submit
tool:  The author wasn't found if the upper left corner of
the first page is empty.

A single dot suffices for the "find author" code in the
submit tool.  Nothing to do for xml2rfc.

-Frank

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On 2011-11-14 14:42, Frank Ellermann wrote:
> On 14 November 2011 10:24, Julian Reschke wrote:
>
>> I'm struggling to understand the use case you're after.
>
> Yes, I'm also struggling to understand what *exactly* I'm
> after.  The I-D was (in 2008) a proposal to create an IETF
> RFC.  It would require some major work to do this, and it
> would involve things I don't really know (schema or relax
> or whatever is state of the art, certainly not my limited
> "can read DTD" knowledge).
>
> There were no takers.  Inspired by happIANA discussions I
> thought that an ordinary "please register this well-known
> MIME type" draft could do the trick, after all that's in
> theory possible.
>
> For that the I-D has to be "not for RFC", "not IETF", "no
> WG", and "independent submission" in no particular order.

I still struggle to understand.

It seems you want a submit a type of Internet Draft that xml2rfc does 
not support.

What *exactly* distinguishes it from the ID types xml2rfc *does* support?

It is just the upper left table cell in the boilerplate? It it something 
for "Status of this Memo" or "Copyright"?

 > ...

Best regards, Julian

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On 14 November 2011 15:34, Julian Reschke wrote:

Hi Julian,

> I still struggle to understand.

> It seems you want a submit a type of Internet Draft that
> xml2rfc does not support.

> What *exactly* distinguishes it from the ID types xml2rfc
> *does* support?

xml2rfc supported both   and . as WG name placeholder
for "no WG".  The default "Network WG" won't do for some
"non-IETF not for RFC" draft, the   output confuses
the submit tool, the dot is odd, but otherwise okay.

xml2rfc also supports various kinds of IPR choices for the
"not for RFC" idea, among others "none" and a convoluted
"trust2009noderivative".  But the "none" output cannot be
submitted, it is obsolete, and the "trust2009derivative"
didn't match my idea of "not for RFC".  Therefore I'm now
using the ordinary "trust2009full", and add a normal note
that *this* I-D is not intended to be published as a RFC
(= derivative work is no problem).

I posted here that   "works for me".  And that wasn't
the complete story, I had not tested to submit the output.
Now it's clear that it does not really work for the submit
tool (unless I'd click on "edit meta + manual processing").
Sorry for the confusion -- above all nothing is wrong with
the xml2rfc release version (modulo missing rfcprocack).

-Frank

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On 2011-11-14 16:18, Frank Ellermann wrote:
> On 14 November 2011 15:34, Julian Reschke wrote:
>
> Hi Julian,
>
>> I still struggle to understand.
>
>> It seems you want a submit a type of Internet Draft that
>> xml2rfc does not support.
>
>> What *exactly* distinguishes it from the ID types xml2rfc
>> *does* support?
>
> xml2rfc supported both  and . as WG name placeholder
> for "no WG".  The default "Network WG" won't do for some
> "non-IETF not for RFC" draft, the  output confuses
> the submit tool, the dot is odd, but otherwise okay.

What's the definition of "non-IETF not for RFC" draft??? Speaking of
which, what's a "non-IETF Internet Draft"?

If there's such a thing, then yes, xml2rfc should support that. Right 
now I just don't understand what it is...

> ...

Best regards, Julian

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behal=
f Of Julian Reschke
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 7:36 AM
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>=20
> > xml2rfc supported both  and . as WG name placeholder for "no WG".
> > The default "Network WG" won't do for some "non-IETF not for RFC"
> > draft, the  output confuses the submit tool, the dot is odd, but
> > otherwise okay.
>=20
> What's the definition of "non-IETF not for RFC" draft??? Speaking of
> which, what's a "non-IETF Internet Draft"?
>=20
> If there's such a thing, then yes, xml2rfc should support that. Right
> now I just don't understand what it is...

I've been using this for such purposes:



Seems to work pretty well with 1.36.

-MSK

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Hi guys.

I've used the pandoc2rfc tool and I noticed some deficiencies in the
NEW impl of the xml2rfc.

The problem is that when you have a RFC document with ipr="none" the
compiler dies.
It does not work like the old tcl one.


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I have attached a patch which fixes this. This now does exactly the
same as the old xml2rfc.

If there are any questions or comments to the patch, please reply.


Thanks

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Say you have something like this:

  explained in more detail in .
    ...
  



The new xml2rfc expands the xref to [foostuff] while the
old xml2rfc expanded it to Section 4.2 or Appendix Z or
whatever.

I expect this is just something that's not fully implemented
yet, but I wanted to note it as something to fix.  Internal
crossrefs are fairly common in RFCs and it would be nice for
them to work.

R's,
John

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I have a local copy of the usual bibxml databases on my laptop, which
is handy when writing drafts on the plane and there's no net connection.  (It's
also nice at hotels with overpriced and/or cruddy net connections.)

Is there any way to tell xml2rfc what base URL to use when resolving
entities so I don't have to hand-edit the URLs back and forth between
the global name and the local cache?

If there's some way to tell it that I'm lying and I want the local
cache even though the entity has the full URL, that would be fine,
too.

R's,
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On Nov 19, 2011, at 5:33 PM, John Levine wrote:

> Say you have something like this:
>=20
>  explained in more detail in .
>    ...
>  

>=20
>=20
> The new xml2rfc expands the xref to [foostuff] while the
> old xml2rfc expanded it to Section 4.2 or Appendix Z or
> whatever.
>=20
> I expect this is just something that's not fully implemented
> yet, but I wanted to note it as something to fix.  Internal
> crossrefs are fairly common in RFCs and it would be nice for
> them to work.

Yes, please. I'm working on a document with lots of internal crossrefs, =
and this output would definitely make the document unreadable.

--Paul Hoffman


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Hi John,

On 2011-11-20 02:33 John Levine said:
> Say you have something like this:
> 
>   explained in more detail in .
>     ...
>   

> 
> 
> The new xml2rfc expands the xref to [foostuff] while the
> old xml2rfc expanded it to Section 4.2 or Appendix Z or
> whatever.

Are you using a local copy of the new xml2rfc, or the web service?

If local, which version do you have?

Best regards,

	Henrik

> I expect this is just something that's not fully implemented
> yet, but I wanted to note it as something to fix.  Internal
> crossrefs are fairly common in RFCs and it would be nice for
> them to work.
> 
> R's,
> John
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> Are you using a local copy of the new xml2rfc, or the web service?
> If local, which version do you have?

Local copy, from a tarball I downloaded on 15 Nov.  Most of the files in 
the tarball are dated Aug 24 and 25.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
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Hi John,

On 2011-11-28 18:58 John R. Levine said:
>> Are you using a local copy of the new xml2rfc, or the web service?
>> If local, which version do you have?
> 
> Local copy, from a tarball I downloaded on 15 Nov.  Most of the files in 
> the tarball are dated Aug 24 and 25.

Ok, I'll take a look at this as soon as I can.  Thanks.


Best regards,

	Henrik