From csimbi@gmail.com Fri Feb 3 11:57:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2961021F85E9 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 11:57:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JLVLYl5Ae0zv for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 11:57:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B24F21F85E6 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 11:57:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by bkbzt4 with SMTP id zt4so3729765bkb.31 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:57:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=BOGlO02VnUIVzFGeeN0RTyGdcPY9EDje0iySd94pvgM=; b=sHT6i6StB6R60jOm/SBvgr8emMF6iemdVqOTOGKHiGlSKebDdkSQ+wJxO43mngqZ6S e3DLZpkT5JX9SFje1jXWWyPdau5r7Feaaaxl18xV3rzRK927l7I517O+XXoFqQIxLpTI HNWHutXX6yM3siH4/LyJW99PnwSCzw/TvrjeQ= Received: by 10.205.129.141 with SMTP id hi13mr4078953bkc.7.1328299029105; Fri, 03 Feb 2012 11:57:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.132.65 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Feb 2012 11:56:48 -0800 (PST) From: =?UTF-8?B?Wm9sdMOhbiDDlnJkw7ZnaCAoR01haWwp?= Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 14:56:48 -0500 Message-ID: To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=000e0ce03b14c90c3104b814b7f5 Subject: [xml2rfc] Conversion errors X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 19:57:12 -0000 --000e0ce03b14c90c3104b814b7f5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce03b14c90c2c04b814b7f3 --000e0ce03b14c90c2c04b814b7f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I have a few issues, I try to put them in the same email. Basic stuff: I am using 1.3.6 offline (there's no newer offline version available for download). I am using 1.3.6 online, too (there's an error that that does not allow running the development version; see attachment: xml2rfc-dev-error.png; see transcript in 'PS' at the end of this mail). I attached my draft so you can run some the same tests. When I use 1.3.6 offline, I get this error: artwork outdented 1 characters to avoid overrunning right margin around input line 231 This is meaningless because I have no clue which line is too long - my editor shows that all lines are shorted than 72. So, I tried using the online tool (1.3.6). With the default settings, I get this: Unable to Validate File INPUT: 417 ms (379 elems, 309 attrs, 7265 spaces, 28061 chars) [Error] INPUT:693:25: The content of element type "front" is incomplete, it must match "(title,author+,date,area*,workgroup*,keyword*,abstract?,note*)". To proceed, you should fix your input file. You may also try doing the conversion with Strict Checking turned off. ------------------------------ Apache/2.2.21 (Debian) Server at xml.resource.org Port 80 This *looks* wrong to me because the structure does, in fact, match: title (1x), author (1x), date (1x), area (1xEMPTY), workgroup (1xEMPTY), abstract (1x), note (1x). Something that might be work looking into. Anyway, I go back, I change 'strict' to 'fast', and try again. I get no messages of any kind. No errors, no warnings. How can I figure out the reason for the figure being considered too wide? Do I need to or is this fine? Thank you. PS. here's the transcript of the error from 2.2.3 in case it is useful: Generating Text output in ASCII format Expanding internal references and generating txt ------------------------------ Using XML_LIBRARY=3D/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/b= ibxml:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml2:/home/w= ww/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml3:/home/www/tools.ietf= .org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml4:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xm= l2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml5 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/tonyh/bin/xml2rfc", line 4, in import pkg_resources File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 2711, in parse_requirements(__requires__), Environment() File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line 584, in re= solve raise DistributionNotFound(req) pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: xml2rfc=3D=3D2.2.3 ------------------------------ File is gone -- did you click reload? ------------------------------ Apache/2.2.21 (Debian) Server at xml.resource.org Port 80 Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh --000e0ce03b14c90c2c04b814b7f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,
I have a few issues, I try to put them in the same email.
Basic stuff:
I am using 1.3.6 offline (there's no newer offline ver= sion available for download).
I am using 1.3.6 online, too (there's = an error that that does not allow running the development version; see atta= chment: xml2rfc-dev-error.png; see transcript in 'PS' at the end of= this mail).
I attached my draft so you can run some the same tests.

When I use 1.3.6 offline, I get this error:
artwork outdented 1 char= acters to avoid overrunning right margin around input line 231
This is m= eaningless because I have no clue which line is too long - my editor shows = that all lines are shorted than 72.
So, I tried using the online tool (1.3.6).

With the default settings= , I get this:

Unable to Validate File

INPUT: 417 ms (379 elems, 309 attrs, 7265 spaces, 28061 chars)
[Error] INPUT:693:25: The content of element type "front" is inco=
mplete, it must match "(title,author+,date,area*,workgroup*,keyword*,a=
bstract?,note*)".


To proceed, you should fix your input file.
You may also try doing the conversion with Strict Checking turned off.
Apache/2.2.21 (Debian) Server at xml.resource.org Port 80

This looks wrong to me = because the structure does, in fact, match: title (1x), author (1x), date (= 1x), area (1xEMPTY), workgroup (1xEMPTY), abstract (1x), note (1x).
Something that might be work looking into.
Anyway, I go back, I change &= #39;strict' to 'fast', and try again.
I get no messages of a= ny kind. No errors, no warnings.

How can I figure out the reason for= the figure being considered too wide?
Do I need to or is this fine?

Thank you.

PS. here's the t= ranscript of the error from 2.2.3 in case it is useful:

Generati= ng Text output in ASCII format

Expanding internal references and generating txt

Using XML_LIBRARY=3D/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/=
public/rfc/bibxml:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bib=
xml2:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml3:/home/ww=
w/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml4:/home/www/tools.ietf.=
org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml5
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/tonyh/bin/xml2rfc", line 4, in <module>
    import pkg_resources
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line =
2711, in <module>
    parse_requirements(__requires__), Environment()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pkg_resources.py", line =
584, in resolve
    raise DistributionNotFound(req)
pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: xml2rfc=3D=3D2.2.3

File is gone -- did you click reload?

Apache/2.2.21 (Debian) Server at xml.resource.org Port 80

Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3= =96rd=C3=B6gh
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Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Zolt=E1n_=D6rd=F6gh_=28GMail=29=22?= References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Conversion errors X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2012 22:25:34 -0000 On 2012-02-03 20:56, Zoltán Ördögh (GMail) wrote: > Hi all, > I have a few issues, I try to put them in the same email. > > Basic stuff: > I am using 1.3.6 offline (there's no newer offline version available for > download). > I am using 1.3.6 online, too (there's an error that that does not allow > running the development version; see attachment: xml2rfc-dev-error.png; > see transcript in 'PS' at the end of this mail). > I attached my draft so you can run some the same tests. > > When I use 1.3.6 offline, I get this error: > artwork outdented 1 characters to avoid overrunning right margin around > input line 231 > This is meaningless because I have no clue which line is too long - my > editor shows that all lines are shorted than 72. 72 is too much :-) > So, I tried using the online tool (1.3.6). > > With the default settings, I get this: > > > Unable to Validate File > > INPUT: 417 ms (379 elems, 309 attrs, 7265 spaces, 28061 chars) > [Error] INPUT:693:25: The content of element type"front" is incomplete, it must match"(title,author+,date,area*,workgroup*,keyword*,abstract?,note*)". > > > To proceed, you should fix your input file. > You may also try doing the conversion with Strict Checking turned off. > > Apache/2.2.21 (Debian) Server at xml.resource.org > Port 80 > > > This *looks* wrong to me because the structure does, in fact, match: > title (1x), author (1x), date (1x), area (1xEMPTY), workgroup (1xEMPTY), > abstract (1x), note (1x). It's about the element in the OMA-SPAMREP reference. > Something that might be work looking into. > Anyway, I go back, I change 'strict' to 'fast', and try again. > I get no messages of any kind. No errors, no warnings. > > How can I figure out the reason for the figure being considered too wide? > Do I need to or is this fine? If you don't reduce the width xml2rfc will outdent the artwork, which may look funny. Also: you may want to remove and ; they are optional anyway. > > Thank you. > > PS. here's the transcript of the error from 2.2.3 in case it is useful: From dhc2@dcrocker.net Thu Feb 9 07:55:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4614E21F86B9 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:55:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.300, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1vPFaamvWxn5 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3823421F86BA for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:55:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q19FtNg1080852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:55:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhc2@dcrocker.net) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-67-127-58-62.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.127.58.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q19FtH0k021761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 07:55:23 -0800 Message-ID: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:55:12 -0800 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Thu, 09 Feb 2012 07:55:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 15:55:32 -0000 Folks, G'day. I'm wearing my xml2rfc list co-administrator hat. There's a legitimate message being held by the list server, because the author is not a member of this list. Rather than simply let the message through, I thought I'd ask you folks whether there is a 'policy' that should be in place that allows these to be handled automatically. There are only three paths I can think of. 1. One is to allow anyone to post to this list. The rate of bogus postings to this list has been quite small. So I would expect the incremental hassle factor on you all to be small. 2. Another is to create a parallel "-discuss" list, or the like, that has open posting. That means posters need to know about it and it means folks here need to look there. 3. Of course, the alternative is to leave things as they are, for the initial posting, and let the co-administrators manually allow such legitimate posts by 'outsiders' through. The burden on us isn't all that high; there are probably fewer of these legitimate posts than of bogus ones... On the other hand, it means that any follow-up with the author will also require manual permission. (Hmmm. Or we could allow such authors to have permanent authorization to post; that doesn't make them 'members', so they won't get regular mail, but they can post followups.) Thoughts? d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From jabley@hopcount.ca Thu Feb 9 08:01:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FF121F86EE for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:01:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yp1u7TvHekD3 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:01:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C101521F8628 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:01:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.hopcount.ca ([216.235.14.37]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q19G1AOq080930 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:01:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jabley@hopcount.ca) Received: from [199.212.90.22] (helo=dh22.r1.hopcount.ca) by mail.hopcount.ca with esmtpa (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1RvWQi-00054M-7H; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:01:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Joe Abley In-Reply-To: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:01:05 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3B2EE741-3BF1-489A-BC77-6870B977AD9A@hopcount.ca> References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> To: dcrocker@bbiw.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:01:17 -0000 On 2012-02-09, at 10:55, Dave CROCKER wrote: > 1. One is to allow anyone to post to this list. The rate of bogus = postings to this list has been quite small. So I would expect the = incremental hassle factor on you all to be small. >=20 > 2. Another is to create a parallel "-discuss" list, or the like, = that has open posting. That means posters need to know about it and it = means folks here need to look there. >=20 > 3. Of course, the alternative is to leave things as they are, for = the initial posting, and let the co-administrators manually allow such = legitimate posts by 'outsiders' through. The burden on us isn't all = that high; there are probably fewer of these legitimate posts than of = bogus ones... On the other hand, it means that any follow-up with the = author will also require manual permission. (Hmmm. Or we could allow = such authors to have permanent authorization to post; that doesn't make = them 'members', so they won't get regular mail, but they can post = followups.) I think (2) is unnecessary. I think (1) would probably be fine, and if = it turned out not to be fine, as measured by a chorus of complaints, we = could always revert to (3). With respect to (3), if this is mailman I think there's a handy button = for "allow this post, and any future posts from this person regardless = of whether they are subscribed to the list". In the case where a post = from a non-subscriber triggers an active thread, that can help stop the = conversation becoming stilted and confusing due to moderator lag. Joe From xmlscott@gmail.com Thu Feb 9 08:12:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9327521F844C for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:12:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.639 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.639 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03KWq2qXgWYL for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:12:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20F621F8658 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by iagf6 with SMTP id f6so3285149iag.31 for ; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:12:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/Fb7Da+zAG992UroUCUoEpuy3PPkeNdx5t2gihEBJSA=; b=F03qRBvwwTzTdbC0DTJSYDnnBY8igZW3MFlfUJ/6t0reo3Ck6wucypOIoL274a4t/Q en8orSSzNjVLcRWU/fGKXuJU/q23lM5QujZsBDTRfO83d0ZIAR9N6mwLJgMvOAKtLgj/ 4N0jcCYMy5EuhOqNtdSw+ZfxtaMr/wMYsH3PM= Received: by 10.42.151.196 with SMTP id f4mr3793032icw.29.1328803921697; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:12:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from boston-guest-45.lindenlab.com ([216.200.82.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k3sm5795440igq.1.2012.02.09.08.11.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:12:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F33F051.4080701@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:12:01 -0500 From: Scott Lawrence User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:12:34 -0000 On 2012-02-09 10:55 , Dave CROCKER wrote: > Folks, > > G'day. I'm wearing my xml2rfc list co-administrator hat. > > There's a legitimate message being held by the list server, because > the author is not a member of this list. Rather than simply let the > message through, I thought I'd ask you folks whether there is a > 'policy' that should be in place that allows these to be handled > automatically. > > There are only three paths I can think of. > > 1. One is to allow anyone to post to this list. The rate of bogus > postings to this list has been quite small. So I would expect the > incremental hassle factor on you all to be small. > > 2. Another is to create a parallel "-discuss" list, or the like, > that has open posting. That means posters need to know about it and > it means folks here need to look there. > > 3. Of course, the alternative is to leave things as they are, for > the initial posting, and let the co-administrators manually allow such > legitimate posts by 'outsiders' through. The burden on us isn't all > that high; there are probably fewer of these legitimate posts than of > bogus ones... On the other hand, it means that any follow-up with the > author will also require manual permission. (Hmmm. Or we could allow > such authors to have permanent authorization to post; that doesn't > make them 'members', so they won't get regular mail, but they can post > followups.) I've always found that requiring subscription to post is a good regulator. I'd rather not see that requirement dropped and would encourage the administrators not to make exceptions. It's really not a burden for someone to subscribe even just for the time it takes to get an issue resolved. I don't think that one should fork a list until it's clear that you've got too much traffic and a clear division of interest, which I think is not the case here (no on #2). From nico@cryptonector.com Thu Feb 9 08:15:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9F721F86CA for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:15:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.92 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.057, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 95dCr+MkVVOk for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a85.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdccac.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.202]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93F721F86D0 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a85.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a85.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9354FBC04D for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:15:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cryptonector.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s= cryptonector.com; b=qxESbq/pKg3aS+hXeJc8c4N7Wxp/aFI0dVO7OJbPHxoF LNI+augZI/ADS1XdzAlb6/4I7BkHbl/0IZxidBQ0MKoXDPabDfq5AillcktmpZkG NfzxFfjhiggWxU3A9+IEftadXTjsyYsM2wIdtEg896MwMkpYnBBeAnn6RuVNR6o= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= cryptonector.com; bh=9/I/VicqZ2+s7DngNGKfLxrG3Ns=; b=gGOaZXqKZRl qwqoxCOdl+gvg77+WJGJV4RiOluB+jqupM1c+SBA9IRECwkj5YkGh36zRWAStbsj 9TUy5LxLuL/zh/Ga6cAFlb3fEg9ZEMblEGKaZ9a9HKugrWl2Ua29SWrQ4aVl8Kgq 81E5tbVK5i3yWadRAeibOG9w+a6uRXgA= Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a85.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 52FECBC042 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by pbcwz7 with SMTP id wz7so1734057pbc.31 for ; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:15:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.226.166 with SMTP id rt6mr7362345pbc.23.1328804151996; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:15:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.136.4 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:15:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F33F051.4080701@gmail.com> References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> <4F33F051.4080701@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:15:51 -0600 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Scott Lawrence Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:15:53 -0000 On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Scott Lawrence wrote: > I've always found that requiring subscription to post is a good regulator= . > =C2=A0I'd rather not see that requirement dropped and would encourage the > administrators not to make exceptions. =C2=A0 It's really not a burden fo= r > someone to subscribe even just for the time it takes to get an issue > resolved. This is extremely obnoxious for IETF lists. Must I really subscribe to post, when I already subscribe to tens of IETF lists? That's just silly. If you'll moderate a list then add non-subscribeds to the whitelist as they post. Ideally any subscriber to 5 or more IETF lists should not have to subscribe to post to any other lists (modulo bans from posting). Nico -- From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Feb 9 08:24:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0814F21F86AB for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:24:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.568 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.568 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.031, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gl-vF5QfUNPU for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:24:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAA421F86A7 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:24:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [77.72.230.30]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q19GOPgp081197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:24:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from henrik@levkowetz.com) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e] (port=56812 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1RvWn6-0001au-NK; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:24:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4F33F32C.20508@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:24:12 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcrocker@bbiw.net References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> <3B2EE741-3BF1-489A-BC77-6870B977AD9A@hopcount.ca> In-Reply-To: <3B2EE741-3BF1-489A-BC77-6870B977AD9A@hopcount.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net, xml2rfc@xml.resource.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:24:42 -0000 On 2012-02-09 17:01 Joe Abley said: > > On 2012-02-09, at 10:55, Dave CROCKER wrote: > >> 1. One is to allow anyone to post to this list. The rate of bogus >> postings to this list has been quite small. So I would expect the >> incremental hassle factor on you all to be small. >> >> 2. Another is to create a parallel "-discuss" list, or the like, >> that has open posting. That means posters need to know about it >> and it means folks here need to look there. >> >> 3. Of course, the alternative is to leave things as they are, for >> the initial posting, and let the co-administrators manually allow >> such legitimate posts by 'outsiders' through. The burden on us >> isn't all that high; there are probably fewer of these legitimate >> posts than of bogus ones... On the other hand, it means that any >> follow-up with the author will also require manual permission. >> (Hmmm. Or we could allow such authors to have permanent >> authorization to post; that doesn't make them 'members', so they >> won't get regular mail, but they can post followups.) > > I think (2) is unnecessary. I think (1) would probably be fine, and > if it turned out not to be fine, as measured by a chorus of > complaints, we could always revert to (3). +1 Henrik From dhc2@dcrocker.net Thu Feb 9 08:29:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC02C21F86DB for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:29:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.363 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.363 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.764, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6bxEiqmPjLS2 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:29:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E84921F84DE for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:29:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q19GTWSg081257 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:29:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhc2@dcrocker.net) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-67-127-58-62.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.127.58.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q19GTKuJ022544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:29:25 -0800 Message-ID: <4F33F45B.5090400@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:29:15 -0800 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Abley References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> <3B2EE741-3BF1-489A-BC77-6870B977AD9A@hopcount.ca> In-Reply-To: <3B2EE741-3BF1-489A-BC77-6870B977AD9A@hopcount.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Thu, 09 Feb 2012 08:29:25 -0800 (PST) Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:29:35 -0000 On 2/9/2012 8:01 AM, Joe Abley wrote: > With respect to (3), if this is mailman I think there's a handy button for "allow this post, and any future posts from this person regardless of whether they are subscribed to the list". In the case where a post from a non-subscriber triggers an active thread, that can help stop the conversation becoming stilted and confusing due to moderator lag. Right. That's what prompted me to think of the parenthetical enhancement to manual acceptance. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From jabley@hopcount.ca Thu Feb 9 08:37:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2D021F872F for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:37:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.207, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IOqFMLjtlNoA for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.hopcount.ca (mail.hopcount.ca [IPv6:2001:4900:1:392::37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0136821F8566 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:37:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [199.212.90.22] (helo=dh22.r1.hopcount.ca) by mail.hopcount.ca with esmtpa (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1RvWzW-0007MN-OL; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:37:08 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Joe Abley In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:37:02 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <33175FEE-136A-4A9D-BB03-DD4359142BAD@hopcount.ca> References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> <4F33F051.4080701@gmail.com> To: Nico Williams X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:37:11 -0000 On 2012-02-09, at 11:15, Nico Williams wrote: > This is extremely obnoxious for IETF lists. Must I really subscribe > to post, when I already subscribe to tens of IETF lists? That's just > silly. If you'll moderate a list then add non-subscribeds to the > whitelist as they post. Oh, I had not noticed that this list now lived on IETF mail = infrastructure. I believe it's straightforward to configure individual lists as "accept = posts from addresses subscribed to any IETF list, otherwise hold for = moderator approval". That'd be a good additional option. I don't remember exactly how you configure this (it's been a while since = I ran the IAB list) but it's effectively a reference to an external = whitelist, which itself is the cat | uniq of all subscriber lists. Joe From tony@att.com Thu Feb 9 08:53:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9E821F85E5 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:53:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.367 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.367 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.768, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TEeDcfUufiRw for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:53:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D185821F8517 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:53:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q19GriPH083398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 08:53:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@att.com) X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1328806423!62849597!1 X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] X-StarScan-Version: 6.5.5; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 6280 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2012 16:53:44 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-13.tower-120.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 9 Feb 2012 16:53:44 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q19GsD1J003006 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:54:13 -0500 Received: from sflint01.pst.cso.att.com (sflint01.pst.cso.att.com [144.154.234.228]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q19Gs9n5002937 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:54:10 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by sflint01.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:53:29 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q19GrTfX015820 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:53:29 -0500 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q19GrPn5015707 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:53:25 -0500 Received: from [135.70.233.168] (vpn-135-70-233-168.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.233.168]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20120209165116gw100e4lsce> (Authid: tony); Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:51:16 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.233.168] Message-ID: <4F33FA04.6020208@att.com> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:53:24 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> <3B2EE741-3BF1-489A-BC77-6870B977AD9A@hopcount.ca> <4F33F45B.5090400@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: <4F33F45B.5090400@dcrocker.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-RSA-Action: allow Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:53:47 -0000 On 2/9/2012 11:29 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > > On 2/9/2012 8:01 AM, Joe Abley wrote: >> With respect to (3), if this is mailman I think there's a handy >> button for "allow this post, and any future posts from this person >> regardless of whether they are subscribed to the list". In the case >> where a post from a non-subscriber triggers an active thread, that >> can help stop the conversation becoming stilted and confusing due to >> moderator lag. > > Right. That's what prompted me to think of the parenthetical > enhancement to manual acceptance. When the posting is a response to a thread by someone else, this is the option I usually pick in similar situations . However, if they are *starting* a thread, I think it's fair to require them to subscribe. Tony Hansen From nico@cryptonector.com Thu Feb 9 09:04:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D4BE21E8039 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:04:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.714 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.714 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.151, BAYES_40=-0.185, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fKf75XzJiQ4p for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F9C21E8035 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:03:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a96.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcahe.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.74]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q19H3lar083546 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:03:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nico@cryptonector.com) Received: from homiemail-a96.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a96.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367EC3B8062 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:03:47 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cryptonector.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc: content-type; q=dns; s=cryptonector.com; b=AxBF9mDi0PMFt1tQMA3+5 071Sz2V7twToe6uGvPGbcV7If0WU1kXR1dkzg73iSfGnrqAmDAdz6lHQl1SfCdiX vqzOiAX7NndzF1z/+cctqhplAZF3xGqpSoCL9aKxE9iAV88XorYuvyBsC+JzbFl1 Wjxw/SeN3aBwMc7RMX/wHc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type; s=cryptonector.com; bh=m10mnavh0dYx0Fgb3zEq C/rLF90=; b=m5K2Iu9V+y26bb429OJeHXDtpua9LRKePeWj5jQvfnEKmF49Msze l1DYM4avFMOmdhAWRdzzU0F2nv+Ng0mYu3KYFGMlooRnzQhvI6bgNmTzCrC14Qb4 N7IImhHaU2QW+T+cjDBoF+HDXQq6hjsWkmI0Bqq88K4zNceXr9/u29E= Received: from mail-pw0-f43.google.com (mail-pw0-f43.google.com [209.85.160.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a96.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 244F73B800C for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:03:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by pbbro2 with SMTP id ro2so1032043pbb.2 for ; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:03:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.208.196 with SMTP id mg4mr7440876pbc.108.1328807026842; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.136.4 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:03:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F33FA04.6020208@att.com> References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> <3B2EE741-3BF1-489A-BC77-6870B977AD9A@hopcount.ca> <4F33F45B.5090400@dcrocker.net> <4F33FA04.6020208@att.com> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:03:46 -0600 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Tony Hansen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:04:01 -0000 On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: > When the posting is a response to a thread by someone else, this is the > option I usually pick in similar situations . > > However, if they are *starting* a thread, I think it's fair to require them > to subscribe. That's fair. Nico -- From jabley@hopcount.ca Thu Feb 9 09:13:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13A721F870E for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:13:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.996 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.996 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.604, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NJ2KxNueS+Y0 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:13:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2EA21F854D for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:13:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.hopcount.ca ([216.235.14.37]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q19HD6Y3083658 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 09:13:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jabley@hopcount.ca) Received: from [199.212.90.22] (helo=dh22.r1.hopcount.ca) by mail.hopcount.ca with esmtpa (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1RvXYI-0009ez-Lg; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:13:04 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Joe Abley In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 12:12:57 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> <3B2EE741-3BF1-489A-BC77-6870B977AD9A@hopcount.ca> <4F33F45B.5090400@dcrocker.net> <4F33FA04.6020208@att.com> To: Nico Williams X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:13:13 -0000 On 2012-02-09, at 12:03, Nico Williams wrote: > On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: >> When the posting is a response to a thread by someone else, this is = the >> option I usually pick in similar situations . >>=20 >> However, if they are *starting* a thread, I think it's fair to = require them >> to subscribe. >=20 > That's fair. Seems to me that the objectives ought to be: (1) make it easy for people to raise issues about this tool in a = sensible place (2) avoid annoying subscribers with (too much) spam I'd be surprised if the sweet spot involved a requirement for people to = subscribe to the list when they're not interested in following anything = other than discussion about their own issue. Joe= From kristofer.sandlund@ericsson.com Thu Feb 9 05:33:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC49721F8734 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 05:33:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gJ7Biasd-K-x for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 05:33:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (mailgw10.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F40B21F86DA for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 05:33:36 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3d-b7b26ae000000a35-8a-4f33cb274463 Received: from esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 00.F9.02613.72BC33F4; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:33:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.126]) by esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.96]) with mapi; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:33:27 +0100 From: Kristofer Sandlund To: "xml2rfc@ietf.org" Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 14:33:26 +0100 Thread-Topic: Strange error from xml2rfc Thread-Index: AcznL2cQP2rOyUqYQP6RascdVLK4Nw== Message-ID: <61D017C9E2225D4A974A141907F3CD10440C13693B@ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:17:14 -0800 Subject: [xml2rfc] Strange error from xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:33:39 -0000 Hi, I haven't run xm2rfc for a few years and now I find myself with some error that I cannot diagnose (using the web tool at xml.resource.org) I get an error saying: [Error] INPUT:5255:41: The content of element type "address" must match "(p= ostal?,phone?,facsimile?,email?,uri?)". But the document is 4686 lines so I don't really know what to look for when it is 600 lines after the end of the document :) When running xml2rfc without "fast" instead of "strict", I get no errors. I also tried with the XML we used for RFC4996 that was published a few years ago and is gives the same error as above, so something must have changed between version 1.34 and the current one that makes my XML illegal now even though it wasn't before.... I can send over the draft's XML code if someone knows how to debug this. TIA, Kristofer= From dhc2@dcrocker.net Thu Feb 9 10:06:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121B121F86B6 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:06:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.246 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.246 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.647, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2dyl-WwYaZOF for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:06:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2B921F86C1 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:06:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q19I6T1Z084307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:06:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhc2@dcrocker.net) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-67-127-58-62.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.127.58.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q19I6KDj024515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:06:26 -0800 Message-ID: <4F340B17.9080402@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:06:15 -0800 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Abley References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> <3B2EE741-3BF1-489A-BC77-6870B977AD9A@hopcount.ca> <4F33F45B.5090400@dcrocker.net> <4F33FA04.6020208@att.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:06:26 -0800 (PST) Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:06:54 -0000 On 2/9/2012 9:12 AM, Joe Abley wrote: > Seems to me that the objectives ought to be: > > (1) make it easy for people to raise issues about this tool in a sensible place > (2) avoid annoying subscribers with (too much) spam > > I'd be surprised if the sweet spot involved a requirement for people to subscribe to the list when they're not interested in following anything other than discussion about their own issue. +1. For a person interested in a single query, requiring subscription strikes me as an onerous barrier. Subscription makes sense for folks who intend to have continuing involvement. -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From julian.reschke@gmx.de Thu Feb 9 10:10:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E742C21F86F0 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:10:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.417 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.417 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.818, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BQkyC+Td5WZA for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:10:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 892BD21F86DB for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 10:10:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Feb 2012 18:10:43 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp019) with SMTP; 09 Feb 2012 19:10:43 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/RoO4unnDRTOyOFU4gd+pmjGc7qu9qdAKXQL5MU/ hizsQVm5MAwtk0 Message-ID: <4F340C1B.7020706@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:10:35 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kristofer Sandlund References: <61D017C9E2225D4A974A141907F3CD10440C13693B@ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <61D017C9E2225D4A974A141907F3CD10440C13693B@ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: "xml2rfc@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Strange error from xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:10:47 -0000 On 2012-02-09 14:33, Kristofer Sandlund wrote: > Hi, > > I haven't run xm2rfc for a few years and now I find myself with some error > that I cannot diagnose (using the web tool at xml.resource.org) > > I get an error saying: > [Error] INPUT:5255:41: The content of element type "address" must match "(postal?,phone?,facsimile?,email?,uri?)". > > But the document is 4686 lines so I don't really know what to look for when > it is 600 lines after the end of the document :) Are you including references instead of inlining them? In which case, let xml2rfc expand the XML and then validate again. > When running xml2rfc without "fast" instead of "strict", I get no errors. > > I also tried with the XML we used for RFC4996 that was published a few > years ago and is gives the same error as above, so something must have > changed between version 1.34 and the current one that makes my XML illegal > now even though it wasn't before.... I'm sure it was invalid before, but the online service might do better checks today. > I can send over the draft's XML code if someone knows how to debug this. Best regards, Julian From dhc2@dcrocker.net Thu Feb 9 11:29:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B4F21E8042 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:29:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.143 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.143 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.456, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 77z7wi3KJ4-X for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:29:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1531421E8021 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:29:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-67-127-58-62.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.127.58.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q19JTVqE026230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:29:37 -0800 Message-ID: <4F341E96.4000806@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:29:26 -0800 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Abley References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> <4F33F051.4080701@gmail.com> <33175FEE-136A-4A9D-BB03-DD4359142BAD@hopcount.ca> In-Reply-To: <33175FEE-136A-4A9D-BB03-DD4359142BAD@hopcount.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:29:37 -0800 (PST) Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:29:45 -0000 On 2/9/2012 8:37 AM, Joe Abley wrote: > I believe it's straightforward to configure individual lists as "accept posts from addresses subscribed to any IETF list, otherwise hold for moderator approval". That'd be a good additional option. I am not aware of any existing mechanism for IETF lists or the underlying software it uses, to accomplish this. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Thu Feb 9 11:40:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CBBC21F86C8 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:40:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.005 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.005 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.406, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L4l1Z7gYV4or for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:40:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F25521F86C4 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:40:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ey0-f171.google.com (mail-ey0-f171.google.com [209.85.215.171]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q19JekvN085251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:40:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com) Received: by eaan12 with SMTP id n12so662363eaa.2 for ; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:40:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HY5P8Hq37x06oSoR3XR4ZGY3lo0B+x/WGUpjFx16Tgk=; b=gKT0Tsjjh/xQEvDez+r6LYn0NTi8tR/wlrCqsWSvUOOG4wuyRpk47Me/SwlfbR5vf3 Yb29xIVn9lQkrof1JnHZwA0gjYCa3aHF3UFJ2J8+d5QbPi5DuQAoVdnkmB9N2gshfTsA 9uIflUKiOVpXQJ9ZqJpCSWhlRfR7jf71zCMD0= Received: by 10.14.98.135 with SMTP id v7mr1082219eef.27.1328816440605; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:40:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.1.4] ([121.98.251.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n17sm12985410eei.3.2012.02.09.11.40.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:40:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F342130.7070502@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:40:32 +1300 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcrocker@bbiw.net References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:40:51 -0000 On 2012-02-10 04:55, Dave CROCKER wrote: > 3. Of course, the alternative is to leave things as they are, for > the initial posting, and let the co-administrators manually allow such > legitimate posts by 'outsiders' through. As long as you click the button to whitelist the poster, this is a *very* low cost solution. The lists I administer have several co-admins and the resulting workload is negligible, and the spam load for subscribers is nil Please don't open the list. It will be quiet at first but progressively the spam will increase. I speak from experience. Brian From dhc2@dcrocker.net Thu Feb 9 11:58:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1BD21E804C for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:58:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.24 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.24 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.500, BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sJyxuxirGnAe for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6491821E800F for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:58:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q19JwYc2085437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:58:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhc2@dcrocker.net) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-67-127-58-62.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.127.58.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q19JwTeM026724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 11:58:34 -0800 Message-ID: <4F342560.3020205@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:58:24 -0800 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> <4F342130.7070502@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F342130.7070502@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:58:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:58:37 -0000 >> 3. Of course, the alternative is to leave things as they are, for >> the initial posting, and let the co-administrators manually allow such >> legitimate posts by 'outsiders' through. > > As long as you click the button to whitelist the poster, this is > a *very* low cost solution. The lists I administer have several > co-admins and the resulting workload is negligible, and the spam > load for subscribers is nil Folks, Although comments have represented the full range of possibilities -- always a shock, given the IETF's tendency towards narrow and conformist opinions -- I've seen enough of a pattern to believe the adequate (ie, safest) path for this list is to: a) keep regular posting limited to subscribers, and b) Allow the list administrators to mark authors of legitimate non-subscribers for continuing posting rights. Thanks. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From glenzorn@gmail.com Thu Feb 9 23:43:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8297C21F8550 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 23:43:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.99 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.99 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.391, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XL7-uXsjFocj for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 23:43:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8B121F8535 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 23:43:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f171.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1A7h1g2092403 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 23:43:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from glenzorn@gmail.com) Received: by obcuy19 with SMTP id uy19so4606439obc.2 for ; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:42:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=inoIhM00N03g1VwAB/9IIrSSmVqdq67TCOuv93gci6Y=; b=BrtHygVr0rksJErx5WHvNWZ5WZ/sYR7CRreSwU9v/yaZbUAU50Hdb3R6e5fUyKzBDI KGOVDy1bz6StUCIZvXDWtVB/S5N0Q+eiSvqWcNRxWYXynfWGJdrE1hTWYlj3ERy9HKrF TX8tc7umMi9dfxZkfKOlRfLRBh2sLfuAMAF/4= Received: by 10.50.45.195 with SMTP id p3mr1455550igm.2.1328859675688; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:41:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.98] (ppp-124-120-231-108.revip2.asianet.co.th. [124.120.231.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gw1sm1694253igb.0.2012.02.09.23.41.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:41:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F34CA15.30400@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 14:41:09 +0700 From: Glen Zorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcrocker@bbiw.net References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> <4F342130.7070502@gmail.com> <4F342560.3020205@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: <4F342560.3020205@dcrocker.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:43:22 -0000 On 2/10/2012 2:58 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > >>> 3. Of course, the alternative is to leave things as they are, for >>> the initial posting, and let the co-administrators manually allow such >>> legitimate posts by 'outsiders' through. >> >> As long as you click the button to whitelist the poster, this is >> a *very* low cost solution. The lists I administer have several >> co-admins and the resulting workload is negligible, and the spam >> load for subscribers is nil > > > Folks, > > Although comments have represented the full range of possibilities -- > always a shock, given the IETF's tendency towards narrow and conformist > opinions -- I've seen enough of a pattern to believe the adequate (ie, > safest) path for this list is to: > > a) keep regular posting limited to subscribers, and > > b) Allow the list administrators to mark authors of legitimate > non-subscribers for continuing posting rights. Seems reasonable to me. > > Thanks. > > d/ > From julian.reschke@gmx.de Fri Feb 10 00:00:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B32E21E8013 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:00:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.077 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.077 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.892, BAYES_40=-0.185, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yWE9EOia3cBw for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:00:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5800321E8072 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:00:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1A80iCK092577 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:00:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Feb 2012 08:00:38 -0000 Received: from p3EE27E67.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [62.226.126.103] by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 10 Feb 2012 09:00:38 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18qgmctPSsqVj98e/OqDyVCUN+Swkk4/+RKGmz8kK HoFoh5bk75WQlI Message-ID: <4F34CEA3.8070909@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:00:35 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: [xml2rfc] reference.RFC.2507.xml broken (not valid) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:00:49 -0000 The reference file mentioned above has two email addresses for one of the authors, which breaks formatting in "strict" mode. This seems to be on purpose; the RFC indeed specifies two comma, separated addresses. We either need to fix the generation script, or xml2rfc's DTD. Best regards, Julian From kristofer.sandlund@ericsson.com Fri Feb 10 00:15:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE7221F8766 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:15:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SXjDFUyDkbTC for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw9.se.ericsson.net (mailgw9.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.57]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035F821F8764 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 00:14:55 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb39-b7bf2ae0000069a1-5b-4f34d1fddf62 Received: from esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by mailgw9.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 37.E6.27041.DF1D43F4; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:14:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se ([169.254.1.126]) by esessmw0256.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.115.96]) with mapi; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:14:53 +0100 From: Kristofer Sandlund To: "xml2rfc@ietf.org" , Julian Reschke Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:14:52 +0100 Thread-Topic: [xml2rfc] Strange error from xml2rfc Thread-Index: AcznViP32XqsR1jyRjmslrduBOn+dAAdRXsw Message-ID: <61D017C9E2225D4A974A141907F3CD10440C136C4A@ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se> References: <61D017C9E2225D4A974A141907F3CD10440C13693B@ESESSCMS0361.eemea.ericsson.se> <4F340C1B.7020706@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4F340C1B.7020706@gmx.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Strange error from xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:15:04 -0000 Hi again, Julian helped me to track down the problem off-list and it turns out that the problem is with this reference: http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.2507.xml It two email tags for the same author which makes XML2RFC throw an error. I can solve my immediate problem by pasting in and modifying that code into my document, but I guess that reference should be updated for the future so people can reference 2507 without errors (alt. don't throw an error on multiple email tags). Also, when trying to debug this, I tried the "advanced conversions" on http://xml.resource.org/ and chose "Output mode" as XML and put in my document thinking that it would expand the references, but I got an exception in the browser as below. Maybe I was using hte tool the wrong way.... error: Parse error occurred - CGItemp57138.dir/rfc2629.dtd (No such file or= directory) java.io.FileNotFoundException: CGItemp57138.dir/rfc2629.dtd (No such file o= r directory) at java.io.FileInputStream.open(Native Method) at java.io.FileInputStream.(FileInputStream.java:137) at java.io.FileInputStream.(FileInputStream.java:96) at sun.net.www.protocol.file.FileURLConnection.connect(FileURLConnection.j= ava:87) at sun.net.www.protocol.file.FileURLConnection.getInputStream(FileURLConne= ction.java:178) at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLEntityManager.setupCurrentEntity(Unknown Sour= ce) at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLEntityManager.startEntity(Unknown Source) at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLEntityManager.startDTDEntity(Unknown Source) at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLDTDScannerImpl.setInputSource(Unknown Source) at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLDocumentScannerImpl$DTDDispatcher.dispatch(Un= known Source) at org.apache.xerces.impl.XMLDocumentFragmentScannerImpl.scanDocument(Unkn= own Source) at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(Unknown Source) at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XML11Configuration.parse(Unknown Source) at org.apache.xerces.parsers.XMLParser.parse(Unknown Source) at org.apache.xerces.parsers.AbstractSAXParser.parse(Unknown Source) at sax.Counter.main(Unknown Source) BR, Kristofer= From csimbi@gmail.com Fri Feb 10 07:34:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B6321F8749 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:34:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.665 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.665 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SARE_HTML_USL_OBFU=1.666] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id alk1uXtgW9zk for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FED821F8754 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:34:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com (mail-bk0-f43.google.com [209.85.214.43]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1AFYE6g098974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:34:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from csimbi@gmail.com) Received: by bkcjg15 with SMTP id jg15so3088470bkc.2 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:34:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=0Ty9fJ1mwksWxiL2JCaZr7+jIXeaDhnDzDzS+twYfag=; b=fKqN7DtnEyC7Pt8OhtpDY6sO9zBzpDQGL7sFOpWgWlK5jxGTIlL7sAGiBoeZGzZoHq 1/m3LhRLRJZ8oEzGYCtpTnIeetcu/3+/LnsFdqNWNTS6B7yvi1y0fZFk3l9cTA80B4X8 AmbWfmB7Z/gLab/Efd21H8xc0OWL/qeFsbWSc= Received: by 10.204.145.210 with SMTP id e18mr2614170bkv.61.1328888047364; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:34:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.132.65 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:33:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F342560.3020205@dcrocker.net> References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> <4F342130.7070502@gmail.com> <4F342560.3020205@dcrocker.net> From: =?UTF-8?B?Wm9sdMOhbiDDlnJkw7ZnaCAoR01haWwp?= Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:33:47 -0500 Message-ID: To: dcrocker@bbiw.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cde4c026b7104b89ddc49 Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:34:19 -0000 --0015175cde4c026b7104b89ddc49 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How would the non-subscribers ever receive a response/follow up on the topic they posted? Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > > 3. Of course, the alternative is to leave things as they are, for >>> the initial posting, and let the co-administrators manually allow such >>> legitimate posts by 'outsiders' through. >>> >> >> As long as you click the button to whitelist the poster, this is >> a *very* low cost solution. The lists I administer have several >> co-admins and the resulting workload is negligible, and the spam >> load for subscribers is nil >> > > > Folks, > > Although comments have represented the full range of possibilities -- > always a shock, given the IETF's tendency towards narrow and conformist > opinions -- I've seen enough of a pattern to believe the adequate (ie, > safest) path for this list is to: > > a) keep regular posting limited to subscribers, and > > b) Allow the list administrators to mark authors of legitimate > non-subscribers for continuing posting rights. > > Thanks. > > > d/ > > -- > > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > ______________________________**_________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/xml2rfc > --0015175cde4c026b7104b89ddc49 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How would the non-subscribers ever receive a response/follow up on the topi= c they posted?

Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh


On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Dave CRO= CKER <dhc2@dcrock= er.net> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A03. =C2=A0Of course, the alternative is to leave things as the= y are, for
the initial posting, and let the co-administrators manually allow such
legitimate posts by 'outsiders' through.

As long as you click the button to whitelist the poster, this is
a *very* low cost solution. The lists I administer have several
co-admins and the resulting workload is negligible, and the spam
load for subscribers is nil


Folks,

Although comments have represented the full range of possibilities -- alway= s a shock, given the IETF's tendency towards narrow and conformist opin= ions -- I've seen enough of a pattern to believe the adequate (ie, safe= st) path for this list is to:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 a) keep regular posting limited to subscribers, and

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 b) Allow the list administrators to mark authors of legitima= te non-subscribers for continuing posting rights.

Thanks.


d/

--

=C2=A0Dave Crocker
=C2=A0Brandenburg InternetWorking
=C2=A0bbiw.net
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--0015175cde4c026b7104b89ddc49-- From nico@cryptonector.com Fri Feb 10 07:44:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 926FC21F8718 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:44:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.248, BAYES_40=-0.185, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dR4+OM-pbnSw for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307FB21F8703 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:44:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a31.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcbbj.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.119]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1AFiQEN099077 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:44:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nico@cryptonector.com) Received: from homiemail-a31.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a31.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BCC20202C for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:44:26 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cryptonector.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s= cryptonector.com; b=d0X2ehLbqlUXMvOSvqT9/Ync3Ngq4+fIZFl8tco4czo4 yX5QU4AnCrd2s6Y5oyVTef34AdYMORifLSbZGpUEneu7NFfhSd4pat1NtxtWbyED SoWYMvVExW6qSUr+MRg2t250CK64jB4d/4GaNvUo6UMh30LGDfLUnekiR34WZMk= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= cryptonector.com; bh=5evwRVV0UAtEkoLlmIemJ7s9aq0=; b=vlRBAttp/qr R6sFiIoTgBHC9Q64zgTU1oAH4T9MnsxwSxJgAtr7Eqgj6Th1fwSIpSqxDDPYST6l Pv4efk/KiZ2h4rRujYDPyK0vDcaR2AzJfcEDiyDZhtoj1bQyWnSBii6vBybOJkih XdwObTFS4FBgPoB10s/PIYwvEtQMFbmw= Received: from mail-pz0-f43.google.com (mail-pz0-f43.google.com [209.85.210.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a31.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6110C20203C for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:44:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by damc16 with SMTP id c16so2761594dam.2 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:44:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.231.10 with SMTP id tc10mr17442135pbc.91.1328888665709; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:44:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.136.4 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:44:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> <4F342130.7070502@gmail.com> <4F342560.3020205@dcrocker.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:44:25 -0600 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: =?UTF-8?B?Wm9sdMOhbiDDlnJkw7ZnaCAoR01haWwp?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: xml2rfc , dcrocker@bbiw.net Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:44:55 -0000 On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh (GMail) wrote: > How would the non-subscribers ever receive a response/follow up on the to= pic > they posted? By getting Cc'ed. Also by looking at the web archives of the list. From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Fri Feb 10 08:54:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1220E21F8617 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:54:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.563 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.563 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.036, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3pSxoxEJzeo1 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:53:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE1321F857F for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:53:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (Hoffman.Proper.COM [207.182.41.81]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1AGrv8V000331 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:53:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Received: from [10.20.30.100] (50-0-66-4.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.0.66.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1AGrme0049605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:53:49 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <4F34CEA3.8070909@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:53:48 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4F34CEA3.8070909@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] reference.RFC.2507.xml broken (not valid) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:54:00 -0000 On Feb 10, 2012, at 12:00 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > The reference file mentioned above has two email addresses for one of = the authors, which breaks formatting in "strict" mode. >=20 > This seems to be on purpose; the RFC indeed specifies two comma, = separated addresses. >=20 > We either need to fix the generation script, or xml2rfc's DTD. I would prefer to fix the DTD; there are (outlier) real reasons to have = two email addresses for some authors. No big deal either way, though. --Paul Hoffman From dhc2@dcrocker.net Fri Feb 10 09:20:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B0C21F863D for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:20:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.581 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.581 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.882, BAYES_50=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hd817Ga1HIWj for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B6221F861A for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1AHJrao000666 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:19:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhc2@dcrocker.net) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-67-127-58-62.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.127.58.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1AHJkDO027893 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:19:52 -0800 Message-ID: <4F3551AC.3020601@dcrocker.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:19:40 -0800 From: Dave CROCKER Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Zolt=E1n_=D6rd=F6gh_=28GMail=29=22?= References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> <4F342130.7070502@gmail.com> <4F342560.3020205@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:19:52 -0800 (PST) Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:20:14 -0000 "reply all". they get cc'd. d/ On 2/10/2012 7:33 AM, Zoltán Ördögh (GMail) wrote: > How would the non-subscribers ever receive a response/follow up on the topic > they posted? > -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From julian.reschke@gmx.de Fri Feb 10 09:23:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E1621F8699 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:23:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.422 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.422 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.823, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g4etIo2oMkLg for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:23:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF6821F8677 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:23:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1AHN1wo000713 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:23:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Feb 2012 17:22:55 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 10 Feb 2012 18:22:55 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19zPMIaWvRzkDytp/cnHWSf5qdlIk2nnHytFbhRxM 8EH8dIfV85sgvG Message-ID: <4F35526B.7010800@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:22:51 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: <4F34CEA3.8070909@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] reference.RFC.2507.xml broken (not valid) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:23:31 -0000 On 2012-02-10 17:53, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Feb 10, 2012, at 12:00 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > >> The reference file mentioned above has two email addresses for one of the authors, which breaks formatting in "strict" mode. >> >> This seems to be on purpose; the RFC indeed specifies two comma, separated addresses. >> >> We either need to fix the generation script, or xml2rfc's DTD. > > > I would prefer to fix the DTD; there are (outlier) real reasons to have two email addresses for some authors. No big deal either way, though. Agreed. (-> ) I recall that this topic has come up before, but back then we decided to wait for the rewrite. Speaking of which: is the rewrite done? Who's in charge of the DTD nowadays? Best regards, Julian From nico@cryptonector.com Fri Feb 10 09:46:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7722D21F8771 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:46:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.906 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.906 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.788, BAYES_20=-0.74, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FYsw1MsUaOmK for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F5521F876D for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a86.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcaid.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.83]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1AHka9a001034 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:46:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nico@cryptonector.com) Received: from homiemail-a86.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a86.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5C136007C for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:46:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cryptonector.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s= cryptonector.com; b=Vr5OwNUZ8vH1kjrG+OwbQLN/p2zhx0vLdr+bHj+SvtJG OdY5lzqpkCszUFNVIGrsFD2TBi/BHgr56fJUWdnyM3ULg0emRK9fPiMWg5qurQ7u eRPAJhLX0HnhlXb0LravJfnLW2+/RwuuhooP2ug0lbjh715vxcEgTKdpKOYURQc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= cryptonector.com; bh=mMOk7uZ0kWGSVs0ZGb/7JuUJc7c=; b=odugWDLZUi2 H86wOb92NaDT9dZApeaoSsOGhLWRaB45xPR0+MIxDNUbIgKBi80sbwl9SalybYPf L3J0xEYh6xLYUnOefEWRHto4TsWYKvLXJAwoo2fCCaKCE+c1TLPDR5YLcjyQEWpc rZ9+h1tJPaChYb0HF/CAkRtHeXXrcm9k= Received: from mail-pw0-f43.google.com (mail-pw0-f43.google.com [209.85.160.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a86.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B4806360078 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by pbbro2 with SMTP id ro2so2086712pbb.2 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:46:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.208.196 with SMTP id mg4mr17990113pbc.108.1328895995321; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.136.4 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:46:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F3551AC.3020601@dcrocker.net> References: <4F33EC60.20404@dcrocker.net> <4F342130.7070502@gmail.com> <4F342560.3020205@dcrocker.net> <4F3551AC.3020601@dcrocker.net> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:46:35 -0600 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: dcrocker@bbiw.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] accepting legitimate posts from non-members? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:46:43 -0000 On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:19 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote: > "reply all". =C2=A0they get cc'd. Which reminds me: never, ever configure a list to set Reply-To:. From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Feb 13 06:19:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A6021F857A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:19:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.825 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.825 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.715, BAYES_05=-1.11, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dAUdBlg3npw8 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:19:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC4FF21F8574 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:19:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [77.72.230.30]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1DEItdH072436 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:18:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from henrik@levkowetz.com) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e] (port=60680 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Rwwk1-0000Eh-RM; Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:18:54 +0100 Message-ID: <4F391BCD.7080407@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:18:53 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120129 Thunderbird/10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4F34CEA3.8070909@gmx.de> <4F35526B.7010800@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4F35526B.7010800@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: julian.reschke@gmx.de, xml2rfc@xml.resource.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] reference.RFC.2507.xml broken (not valid) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:19:05 -0000 Hi Julian, On 2012-02-10 18:22 Julian Reschke said: > On 2012-02-10 17:53, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> On Feb 10, 2012, at 12:00 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: >> >>> The reference file mentioned above has two email addresses for one of the authors, which breaks formatting in "strict" mode. >>> >>> This seems to be on purpose; the RFC indeed specifies two comma, separated addresses. >>> >>> We either need to fix the generation script, or xml2rfc's DTD. >> >> >> I would prefer to fix the DTD; there are (outlier) real reasons to have two email addresses for some authors. No big deal either way, though. > > Agreed. (-> ) > > I recall that this topic has come up before, but back then we decided to > wait for the rewrite. > > Speaking of which: is the rewrite done? Who's in charge of the DTD nowadays? The rewrite has been done. >From the front page of tools.ietf.org: _Draft TXT and HTML from XML source (xml2rfc) _ xml2rfc will allow you to take your XML source (using the format defined in RFC 2629 and its unofficial successor) and generate well-formatted text and html versions of drafts from it. Version 2 of xml2rfc is a complete rewrite in Python. You can get the source of the command-line tool here: http://svn.tools.ietf.org/svn/tools/xml2rfc/version2/cli.tgz and download it for installation from the Python Package Index (PyPi): http://pypi.python.org/pypi/xml2rfc/ The GUI source is here: http://svn.tools.ietf.org/svn/tools/xml2rfc/version2/gui.tgz . We don't have a repository of packages for the GUI yet, but will set that up during March 2012. I would expect the group that did the admirable work on keeping the old version running till we could get the new version in place to now consider updates to the DTD, but I realize there hasn't been any kind of decision to carry on that way. Maybe it's time to start looking forward again? Best regards, Henrik From csimbi@gmail.com Tue Feb 14 08:16:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E53F21E8021 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:16:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.774 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.774 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.109, BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HQscUihS8G43 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:16:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED8421E802D for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:16:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by bkuw12 with SMTP id w12so125837bku.31 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:16:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=BQMMg7CPRzTGHH+qfPwkIR+U8BwsMEB3jxKYKWfcivw=; b=DnWSxORo4HW4NfbIghU+HVPvhrooo75v+b60HDlyz9xwajMDcAZWtQjMurACu5qfMu perLovRGd0u09e3yNgZ9e8/A+LQYPsDcjOoX4Wha7m+tMtVA2aw24WYeBBqzQyU3GCon 9Z9FcwNQZ7iF3ufPHXpPb/jq5jKXuN7RvBba0= Received: by 10.204.152.145 with SMTP id g17mr9148601bkw.97.1329236165314; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:16:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.132.65 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:15:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F2C5ED6.2040403@gmx.de> References: <4F2C5ED6.2040403@gmx.de> From: =?UTF-8?B?Wm9sdMOhbiDDlnJkw7ZnaCAoR01haWwp?= Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:15:45 -0500 Message-ID: To: Julian Reschke Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cddfc74c83304b8eee9b9 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Conversion errors X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:16:12 -0000 --0015175cddfc74c83304b8eee9b9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Julian, thank you, I fixed all issues. Would it be possible to fix the invalid line numbers on the error messages? Would it be possible to add more information to the error messages? Say: Max. 69 characters per line allowed. Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Julian Reschke wrote= : > On 2012-02-03 20:56, Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh (GMail) wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I have a few issues, I try to put them in the same email. >> >> Basic stuff: >> I am using 1.3.6 offline (there's no newer offline version available for >> download). >> I am using 1.3.6 online, too (there's an error that that does not allow >> running the development version; see attachment: xml2rfc-dev-error.png; >> see transcript in 'PS' at the end of this mail). >> I attached my draft so you can run some the same tests. >> >> When I use 1.3.6 offline, I get this error: >> artwork outdented 1 characters to avoid overrunning right margin around >> input line 231 >> This is meaningless because I have no clue which line is too long - my >> editor shows that all lines are shorted than 72. >> > > 72 is too much :-) > > So, I tried using the online tool (1.3.6). >> >> With the default settings, I get this: >> >> >> Unable to Validate File >> >> INPUT: 417 ms (379 elems, 309 attrs, 7265 spaces, 28061 chars) >> [Error] INPUT:693:25: The content of element type"front" is incomplete, >> it must match"(title,author+,date,**area*,workgroup*,keyword*,** >> abstract?,note*)". >> >> >> To proceed, you should fix your input file. >> You may also try doing the conversion with Strict Checking turned off. >> >> Apache/2.2.21 (Debian) Server at xml.resource.org >> Port 80 >> >> >> This *looks* wrong to me because the structure does, in fact, match: >> >> title (1x), author (1x), date (1x), area (1xEMPTY), workgroup (1xEMPTY), >> abstract (1x), note (1x). >> > > It's about the element in the OMA-SPAMREP reference. > > > Something that might be work looking into. >> Anyway, I go back, I change 'strict' to 'fast', and try again. >> I get no messages of any kind. No errors, no warnings. >> >> How can I figure out the reason for the figure being considered too wide= ? >> Do I need to or is this fine? >> > > If you don't reduce the width xml2rfc will outdent the artwork, which may > look funny. > > Also: you may want to remove and ; they are optional > anyway. > > > >> Thank you. >> >> PS. here's the transcript of the error from 2.2.3 in case it is useful: >> > > > --0015175cddfc74c83304b8eee9b9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Julian,
thank you, I fixed all issues.

Would it be possible to= fix the invalid line numbers on the error messages?

W= ould it be possible to add more information to the error messages?
Say: = Max. 69 characters per line allowed.

Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh


On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Julian R= eschke <julia= n.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
On 2012-02-03 20:56, Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh (GMail)= wrote:
Hi all,
I have a few issues, I try to put them in the same email.

Basic stuff:
I am using 1.3.6 offline (there's no newer offline version available fo= r
download).
I am using 1.3.6 online, too (there's an error that that does not allow=
running the development version; see attachment: xml2rfc-dev-error.png;
see transcript in 'PS' at the end of this mail).
I attached my draft so you can run some the same tests.

When I use 1.3.6 offline, I get this error:
artwork outdented 1 characters to avoid overrunning right margin around
input line 231
This is meaningless because I have no clue which line is too long - my
editor shows that all lines are shorted than 72.

72 is too much :-)

So, I tried using the online tool (1.3.6).

With the default settings, I get this:


=C2=A0Unable to Validate File

INPUT: 417 ms (379 elems, 309 attrs, 7265 spaces, 28061 chars)
[Error] INPUT:693:25: The content of element type"front" =C2=A0is= incomplete, it must match"(title,author+,date,area*,workgroup*= ,keyword*,abstract?,note*)".


To proceed, you should fix your input file.
You may also try doing the conversion with Strict Checking turned off.

Apache/2.2.21 (Debian) Server at xml.resource.org
<http://xml.resour= ce.org> Port 80


This *looks* wrong to me because the structure does, in fact, match:

title (1x), author (1x), date (1x), area (1xEMPTY), workgroup (1xEMPTY), abstract (1x), note (1x).

It's about the <front> element in the OMA-SPAMREP reference.


Something that might be work looking into.
Anyway, I go back, I change 'strict' to 'fast', and try aga= in.
I get no messages of any kind. No errors, no warnings.

How can I figure out the reason for the figure being considered too wide? Do I need to or is this fine?

If you don't reduce the width xml2rfc will outdent the artwork, which m= ay look funny.

Also: you may want to remove <area/> and <workgroup/>; they are= optional anyway.



Thank you.

PS. here's the transcript of the error from 2.2.3 in case it is useful:=



--0015175cddfc74c83304b8eee9b9-- From julian.reschke@gmx.de Tue Feb 14 09:02:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E344621F8797 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:02:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.281 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.281 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.982, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id By6qs--aKXvE for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:02:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A07521F870F for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Feb 2012 17:02:15 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp034) with SMTP; 14 Feb 2012 18:02:15 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+M5DwromWMQH9Hbe4BpgBRY5pd/wGGhJacdq51ao QiIVcGPNMG9vtr Message-ID: <4F3A9395.4070304@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:02:13 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?IlpvbHTDoW4gw5ZyZMO2Z2ggKEdNYWlsKSI=?= References: <4F2C5ED6.2040403@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Conversion errors X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:02:25 -0000 On 2012-02-14 17:15, Zoltán Ördögh (GMail) wrote: > Hi Julian, > thank you, I fixed all issues. > > Would it be possible to fix the invalid line numbers on the error messages? If you're willing to debug an unmaintained XML parser written in TCL, go ahead :-) > Would it be possible to add more information to the error messages? > Say: Max. 69 characters per line allowed. > > Best regards: Zoltán Ördögh > > > On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Julian Reschke > wrote: > > On 2012-02-03 20:56, Zoltán Ördögh (GMail) wrote: > > Hi all, > I have a few issues, I try to put them in the same email. > > Basic stuff: > I am using 1.3.6 offline (there's no newer offline version > available for > download). > I am using 1.3.6 online, too (there's an error that that does > not allow > running the development version; see attachment: > xml2rfc-dev-error.png; > see transcript in 'PS' at the end of this mail). > I attached my draft so you can run some the same tests. > > When I use 1.3.6 offline, I get this error: > artwork outdented 1 characters to avoid overrunning right margin > around > input line 231 > This is meaningless because I have no clue which line is too > long - my > editor shows that all lines are shorted than 72. > > > 72 is too much :-) > > So, I tried using the online tool (1.3.6). > > With the default settings, I get this: > > > Unable to Validate File > > INPUT: 417 ms (379 elems, 309 attrs, 7265 spaces, 28061 chars) > [Error] INPUT:693:25: The content of element type"front" is > incomplete, it must match"(title,author+,date, > area*,workgroup*,keyword*, abstract?,note*)". > > > To proceed, you should fix your input file. > You may also try doing the conversion with Strict Checking > turned off. > > Apache/2.2.21 (Debian) Server at xml.resource.org > > Port 80 > > > This *looks* wrong to me because the structure does, in fact, match: > > title (1x), author (1x), date (1x), area (1xEMPTY), workgroup > (1xEMPTY), > abstract (1x), note (1x). > > > It's about the element in the OMA-SPAMREP reference. > > > Something that might be work looking into. > Anyway, I go back, I change 'strict' to 'fast', and try again. > I get no messages of any kind. No errors, no warnings. > > How can I figure out the reason for the figure being considered > too wide? > Do I need to or is this fine? > > > If you don't reduce the width xml2rfc will outdent the artwork, > which may look funny. > > Also: you may want to remove and ; they are > optional anyway. > > > > Thank you. > > PS. here's the transcript of the error from 2.2.3 in case it is > useful: > > > > From tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com Tue Feb 14 10:09:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D1621F8715 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:09:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PCzbU0NiPu3t for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:09:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f172.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A9BA21F86EC for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:09:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by obbwd15 with SMTP id wd15so290302obb.31 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:09:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-antivirus :x-antivirus-status; bh=fL2aXodM6sJPg2BdkiptJACF4+i8wXESSNh7C5hsqS0=; b=EQ9bCabzOBVLRWLaA8debQdV9XlaRIRMSJvc8Hu/6bOyL/N6f2jLpgpzEtuZTPZwfH 7krX2mI8+fg/6ebV5ZIjoxRV7Kp4RRiaeBKl6rliQGazjp9yg1752KTIlPhjZ+Bsw0zp 9+tDCT005e3jZBXW//QS4Zko0KnMxl8OF0hKs= Received: by 10.50.161.231 with SMTP id xv7mr21749076igb.0.1329242993785; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:09:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([216.254.195.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm256902ibe.8.2012.02.14.10.09.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:09:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3AA36F.5000305@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:09:51 -0500 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <4F2C5ED6.2040403@gmx.de> <4F3A9395.4070304@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4F3A9395.4070304@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120214-1, 14/02/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Conversion errors X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:09:59 -0000 I considered the problem a while back. The trouble is that the TCL version reads in the XML input in such a way that it loses track of the line numbers in the original file. On 14/02/2012 12:02 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2012-02-14 17:15, Zoltán Ördögh (GMail) wrote: >> Hi Julian, >> thank you, I fixed all issues. >> >> Would it be possible to fix the invalid line numbers on the error >> messages? > > If you're willing to debug an unmaintained XML parser written in TCL, go > ahead :-) > >> Would it be possible to add more information to the error messages? >> Say: Max. 69 characters per line allowed. >> >> Best regards: Zoltán Ördögh >> >... From csimbi@gmail.com Tue Feb 14 10:40:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D32321F8718 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:40:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.447, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_HTML_USL_OBFU=1.666] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Vw2T84fr8BC for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:40:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31ED121F8722 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:40:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by bkuw12 with SMTP id w12so297501bku.31 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:40:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=goSKD6EuuNgb3uHYkxX9bu1pL95c4PY8xqTl3Ddkqqw=; b=qzEYMbRBkvrTnwglFH1DxKsaZZWxwDAWKrTOnmlCvNxW676QOfx/JO3AQGVTox8zNM FoDpSe5Fa0/S7alQ10ZdPQKljIehAuABVthtegPd/A9sRZT3ym17UuZa/0To1CxPXKOc O9aLTSqpklxomZBu7UVwyFdo4nSztIpcJLP38= Received: by 10.204.129.18 with SMTP id m18mr9616283bks.115.1329244801297; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:40:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.132.65 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 10:39:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F3AA36F.5000305@gmail.com> References: <4F2C5ED6.2040403@gmx.de> <4F3A9395.4070304@gmx.de> <4F3AA36F.5000305@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?Wm9sdMOhbiDDlnJkw7ZnaCAoR01haWwp?= Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:39:41 -0500 Message-ID: To: Tom Taylor Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015173fefd6336bea04b8f0ec72 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Conversion errors X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:40:03 -0000 --0015173fefd6336bea04b8f0ec72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could it be replaced with libxml? http://xmlsoft.org Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Tom Taylor wrot= e: > I considered the problem a while back. The trouble is that the TCL versio= n > reads in the XML input in such a way that it loses track of the line > numbers in the original file. > > > On 14/02/2012 12:02 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > >> On 2012-02-14 17:15, Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh (GMail) wrote: >> >>> Hi Julian, >>> thank you, I fixed all issues. >>> >>> Would it be possible to fix the invalid line numbers on the error >>> messages? >>> >> >> If you're willing to debug an unmaintained XML parser written in TCL, go >> ahead :-) >> >> Would it be possible to add more information to the error messages? >>> Say: Max. 69 characters per line allowed. >>> >>> Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh >>> >>> ... >> > ______________________________**_________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/xml2rfc > --0015173fefd6336bea04b8f0ec72 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could it be replaced with libxml?
http://= xmlsoft.org

Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3= =B6gh


On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Tom Tay= lor <tom.= taylor.stds@gmail.com> wrote:
I considered the problem a while back. The trouble is that the TCL version = reads in the XML input in such a way that it loses track of the line number= s in the original file.


On 14/02/2012 12:02 PM, Julian Reschke wrote:
On 2012-02-14 17:15, Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh (GMail) wrote:
Hi Julian,
thank you, I fixed all issues.

Would it be possible to fix the invalid line numbers on the error
messages?

If you're willing to debug an unmaintained XML parser written in TCL, g= o
ahead :-)

Would it be possible to add more information to the error messages?
Say: Max. 69 characters per line allowed.

Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh

...
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--0015173fefd6336bea04b8f0ec72-- From tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com Tue Feb 14 12:29:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9BB21E807A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:29:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M68hd5SuJIST for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E08821E8045 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:29:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by ggnq2 with SMTP id q2so325779ggn.31 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:29:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-antivirus:x-antivirus-status; bh=rjjZ9omv24poK+duRcSDxLLTLjWYZuNelUoacMMIXjw=; b=WUnpqtq/HFxv5SLuwUGhPq8W3dIvScCq+m1PK7nY8CWNedL9GmfX1KIolkBYgfgODI 1O2f0lTKLHSAnKaFcg2KYvtlFG0mea4tyJaVWfISNv+hs31ac5vC9lNuME1KFL9/wWnm sS5XXcgu/1dRZu7JqcTC5rIoKUknpqzOLalYY= Received: by 10.50.169.9 with SMTP id aa9mr7088420igc.23.1329251392943; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:29:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([216.254.195.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id np10sm739589igc.0.2012.02.14.12.29.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:29:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3AC43E.1080106@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:29:50 -0500 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?IlpvbHTDoW4gw5ZyZMO2Z2ggKEdNYWlsKSI=?= References: <4F2C5ED6.2040403@gmx.de> <4F3A9395.4070304@gmx.de> <4F3AA36F.5000305@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120214-1, 14/02/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Conversion errors X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:29:54 -0000 There's no point in doing that now that version 2 of XML2RFC is available. On 14/02/2012 1:39 PM, Zoltán Ördögh (GMail) wrote: > Could it be replaced with libxml? > http://xmlsoft.org > > Best regards: Zoltán Ördögh > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Tom Taylorwrote: > >> I considered the problem a while back. The trouble is that the TCL version >> reads in the XML input in such a way that it loses track of the line >> numbers in the original file. >> >> >> On 14/02/2012 12:02 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: >> >>> On 2012-02-14 17:15, Zoltán Ördögh (GMail) wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Julian, >>>> thank you, I fixed all issues. >>>> >>>> Would it be possible to fix the invalid line numbers on the error >>>> messages? >>>> >>> >>> If you're willing to debug an unmaintained XML parser written in TCL, go >>> ahead :-) >>> >>> Would it be possible to add more information to the error messages? >>>> Say: Max. 69 characters per line allowed. >>>> >>>> Best regards: Zoltán Ördögh >>>> >>>> ... >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> xml2rfc mailing list >> xml2rfc@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/xml2rfc >> > From csimbi@gmail.com Tue Feb 14 13:38:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2BC21E801D for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:38:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.13 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.13 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.168, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S8RKIdxg8E5x for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D3B21E8011 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by bkuw12 with SMTP id w12so439767bku.31 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:37:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=V5SeMoXspAJDbm/F76fvtquYiEj1KEOsrz3dieNANTo=; b=fvAqZy9TZ1dVd3HfQHoIyH6jWx6kPEnfRCRPHMdd1CLRU/V+YcwtkxhytAYPeo1fJP DjzdPvWoQtg7frOeI3iOj3w4+VPg5Ha4neIUrFhMSJpVmmbcD9ypeZnLh/tNxBjDzYXR AhgI1+XjijtA7FPOS1x2poZJJxj8Z4qmO7C4w= Received: by 10.204.152.145 with SMTP id g17mr9944576bkw.97.1329255474346; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:37:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.132.65 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:37:34 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F3AC43E.1080106@gmail.com> References: <4F2C5ED6.2040403@gmx.de> <4F3A9395.4070304@gmx.de> <4F3AA36F.5000305@gmail.com> <4F3AC43E.1080106@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?Wm9sdMOhbiDDlnJkw7ZnaCAoR01haWwp?= Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 16:37:34 -0500 Message-ID: To: Tom Taylor Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cddfc5d3bd904b8f368c5 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Conversion errors X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:38:30 -0000 --0015175cddfc5d3bd904b8f368c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is? Hmmm. I still see 1.36 only - even after refreshing the page. Could you provide a direct download link, please? Thank you. Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Tom Taylor wrot= e: > There's no point in doing that now that version 2 of XML2RFC is available= . > > > On 14/02/2012 1:39 PM, Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh (GMail) wrote: > >> Could it be replaced with libxml? >> http://xmlsoft.org >> >> Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Tom Taylor >> >wrote: >> >> I considered the problem a while back. The trouble is that the TCL >>> version >>> reads in the XML input in such a way that it loses track of the line >>> numbers in the original file. >>> >>> >>> On 14/02/2012 12:02 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> >>> On 2012-02-14 17:15, Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh (GMail) wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Julian, >>>>> thank you, I fixed all issues. >>>>> >>>>> Would it be possible to fix the invalid line numbers on the error >>>>> messages? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> If you're willing to debug an unmaintained XML parser written in TCL, = go >>>> ahead :-) >>>> >>>> Would it be possible to add more information to the error messages? >>>> >>>>> Say: Max. 69 characters per line allowed. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh >>>>> >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>> xml2rfc mailing list >>> xml2rfc@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/****listinfo/xml2rfc >>> >>> > >>> >>> >> --0015175cddfc5d3bd904b8f368c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is? Hmmm. I still see 1.36 only - even after refreshing the page.
Cou= ld you provide a direct download link, please?
Thank you.

Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh


On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Tom Tay= lor <tom.= taylor.stds@gmail.com> wrote:
There's no point in doing that now that version 2 of XML2RFC is availab= le.


On 14/02/2012 1:39 PM, Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh (GMail) wrote:
Could it be replaced with libxml?
http://xmlsoft.org

Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh


On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Tom Taylor<tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com>= wrote:

I considered the problem a while back. The trouble is that the TCL version<= br> reads in the XML input in such a way that it loses track of the line
numbers in the original file.


On 14/02/2012 12:02 PM, Julian Reschke wrote:

On 2012-02-14 17:15, Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh (GMail) wrote:

Hi Julian,
thank you, I fixed all issues.

Would it be possible to fix the invalid line numbers on the error
messages?


If you're willing to debug an unmaintained XML parser written in TCL, g= o
ahead :-)

=C2=A0Would it be possible to add more information to the error messages?<= br>
Say: Max. 69 characters per line allowed.

Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh

=C2=A0...

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--0015175cddfc5d3bd904b8f368c5-- From tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com Tue Feb 14 17:00:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D2021F8752 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:00:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.424 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.424 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.125, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EQMeZpxOuz17 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:00:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7210B21F872E for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by dakl33 with SMTP id l33so481906dak.31 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:00:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-antivirus:x-antivirus-status; bh=bBiXpUpy/8dqsFHohmIhvstZ5lGOrw9+GG9GIl7qR9I=; b=PiKkxY6Jv6kgDSh50y1doK0J1xNdyC7m9ihdsqkVeMIRz1ZxcccGDFCxCsvx4iFcCS WmbvkV59NwhavuGf/HePtICIBcP2L5mELmDeuoEkSwbLMlP4kHmpnTa8LU/SbFWNzQl2 rHoYrfC3iZ4YaDGZmtUvU9tEM0d9LuuUoeP2k= Received: by 10.68.238.68 with SMTP id vi4mr63915492pbc.65.1329267622222; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([216.254.195.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e10sm7054137pbv.0.2012.02.14.17.00.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:00:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F3B03A2.1040008@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:00:18 -0500 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?IlpvbHTDoW4gw5ZyZMO2Z2ggKEdNYWlsKSI=?= References: <4F2C5ED6.2040403@gmx.de> <4F3A9395.4070304@gmx.de> <4F3AA36F.5000305@gmail.com> <4F3AC43E.1080106@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120214-1, 14/02/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Conversion errors X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 01:00:23 -0000 http://xml.resource.org/authoring/xml2rfc2-dev.tgz Current development release, version 2.2.3. But the page that link is taken from says it is still buggy. On 14/02/2012 4:37 PM, Zoltán Ördögh (GMail) wrote: > It is? Hmmm. I still see 1.36 only - even after refreshing the page. > Could you provide a direct download link, please? > Thank you. > > Best regards: Zoltán Ördögh > > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Tom Taylorwrote: > >> There's no point in doing that now that version 2 of XML2RFC is available. >> >> >> On 14/02/2012 1:39 PM, Zoltán Ördögh (GMail) wrote: >> >>> Could it be replaced with libxml? >>> http://xmlsoft.org >>> >>> Best regards: Zoltán Ördögh >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Tom Taylor >>>> wrote: >>> >>> I considered the problem a while back. The trouble is that the TCL >>>> version >>>> reads in the XML input in such a way that it loses track of the line >>>> numbers in the original file. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 14/02/2012 12:02 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2012-02-14 17:15, Zoltán Ördögh (GMail) wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Julian, >>>>>> thank you, I fixed all issues. >>>>>> >>>>>> Would it be possible to fix the invalid line numbers on the error >>>>>> messages? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> If you're willing to debug an unmaintained XML parser written in TCL, go >>>>> ahead :-) >>>>> >>>>> Would it be possible to add more information to the error messages? >>>>> >>>>>> Say: Max. 69 characters per line allowed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards: Zoltán Ördögh >>>>>> >>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>> xml2rfc mailing list >>>> xml2rfc@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/****listinfo/xml2rfc >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> > From csimbi@gmail.com Tue Feb 14 20:40:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20B811E8072 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:40:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.53 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.53 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.102, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_HTML_USL_OBFU=1.666] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id snx19g0Am5fz for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:40:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359F321F8546 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:40:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by bkuw12 with SMTP id w12so637522bku.31 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:40:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=DLYqEwkZC5x/5n6wTnadB6bBiERAO2NwJfgQ4FH92TU=; b=GvcyW/Q7nyTwI8RvZlG37N1jqscGyDCTCb+NpyW+Pxzg0zOKFmPm0eXvLrNmXKX2Ps Vtf4QP4LZOZcI/AU/i6tOe+E56wGWIQm1pZPX1CdyRPKx8ymh/gjvCGdrJiGTLEQodHD 3rpWMqvICEyXjn/h/R6oQUlMtJvrBiXvLUDP4= Received: by 10.205.124.142 with SMTP id go14mr8567218bkc.79.1329280807289; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:40:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.205.132.65 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:39:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F3B03A2.1040008@gmail.com> References: <4F2C5ED6.2040403@gmx.de> <4F3A9395.4070304@gmx.de> <4F3AA36F.5000305@gmail.com> <4F3AC43E.1080106@gmail.com> <4F3B03A2.1040008@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?B?Wm9sdMOhbiDDlnJkw7ZnaCAoR01haWwp?= Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:39:47 -0500 Message-ID: To: Tom Taylor Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce040d653447804b8f94e44 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Conversion errors X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:40:10 -0000 --000e0ce040d653447804b8f94e44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tom, thank you. This appears to be the source (Python) - which poses a problem because I have no clue how to run it on my PC (no Python here). Any chance to build a win32 or a TCL binary from this? Thank you. Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Tom Taylor wrot= e: > http://xml.resource.org/**authoring/xml2rfc2-dev.tgz > > Current development release, version 2.2.3. > > But the page that link is taken from says it is still buggy. > > > On 14/02/2012 4:37 PM, Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh (GMail) wrote: > >> It is? Hmmm. I still see 1.36 only - even after refreshing the page. >> Could you provide a direct download link, please? >> Thank you. >> >> Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Tom Taylor >> >wrote: >> >> There's no point in doing that now that version 2 of XML2RFC is >>> available. >>> >>> >>> On 14/02/2012 1:39 PM, Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh (GMail) wrote: >>> >>> Could it be replaced with libxml? >>>> http://xmlsoft.org >>>> >>>> Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Tom Taylor>>> *com >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>> I considered the problem a while back. The trouble is that the TCL >>>> >>>>> version >>>>> reads in the XML input in such a way that it loses track of the line >>>>> numbers in the original file. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 14/02/2012 12:02 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 2012-02-14 17:15, Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh (GMail) wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Julian, >>>>>> >>>>>>> thank you, I fixed all issues. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Would it be possible to fix the invalid line numbers on the error >>>>>>> messages? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you're willing to debug an unmaintained XML parser written in >>>>>> TCL, go >>>>>> ahead :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Would it be possible to add more information to the error messages? >>>>>> >>>>>> Say: Max. 69 characters per line allowed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________******_________________ >>>>>> >>>>> xml2rfc mailing list >>>>> xml2rfc@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/******listinfo/xml2rfc >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> --000e0ce040d653447804b8f94e44 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Tom,
thank you.
This appears to be the source (Python) - which pos= es a problem because I have no clue how to run it on my PC (no Python here)= .
Any chance to build a win32 or a TCL binary from this?
Thank you.
Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh


On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Tom Tay= lor <tom.= taylor.stds@gmail.com> wrote:
http://xml.resource.org/authoring/xml2rfc2-dev.tgz

Current development release, version 2.2.3.

But the page that link is taken from says it is still buggy.


On 14/02/2012 4:37 PM, Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh (GMail) wrote:
It is? Hmmm. I still see 1.36 only - even after refreshing the page.
Could you provide a direct download link, please?
Thank you.

Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh


On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Tom Taylor<tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com>= wrote:

There's no point in doing that now that version 2 of XML2RFC is availab= le.


On 14/02/2012 1:39 PM, Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh (GMail) wrote:

Could it be replaced with libxml?
http://xmlsoft.org

Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh


On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Tom Taylor<tom.taylor.stds@gmail.**com<to= m.taylor.stds@gmail.com>

wrote:

=C2=A0I considered the problem a while back. The trouble is that the TCL
version
reads in the XML input in such a way that it loses track of the line
numbers in the original file.


On 14/02/2012 12:02 PM, Julian Reschke wrote:

=C2=A0On 2012-02-14 17:15, Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh (GMail) wrote:

=C2=A0Hi Julian,
thank you, I fixed all issues.

Would it be possible to fix the invalid line numbers on the error
messages?


If you're willing to debug an unmaintained XML parser written in TCL, g= o
ahead :-)

=C2=A0Would it be possible to add more information to the error messages?<= br>
Say: Max. 69 characters per line allowed.

Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh

=C2=A0...


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--000e0ce040d653447804b8f94e44-- From johnl@iecc.com Tue Feb 14 20:49:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2734D11E8079 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:49:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.242 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.242 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.957, BAYES_00=-2.599, HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI=-4.3, RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED=-4.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vibg6-F1fvCx for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3421911E8074 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:49:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5113 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2012 04:49:09 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2012 04:49:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=4f3b3945.xn--3zv.k1202; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=kRs3IbS9+pwz7eQSEFPaFEjDEVhRpX4Oi7MkCS5ByoA=; b=AQVgybZTetreeZ6kOmzvI2zPBxiEJ3ANd2kODd0emDK+BKaxWSS3AxdCTwVjDSeavLxS14qkGGkYML491OdeqkPprnnnaYFX3nJMQG68jZnpZm/uDMf9IG/iLeSZ7q31FeQTZoEzduudBaHLmC/de53xmqbcAX2nrRBddWfcdNw= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 15 Feb 2012 04:48:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20120215044847.51824.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: xml2rfc@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Conversion errors X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:49:11 -0000 >This appears to be the source (Python) - which poses a problem because I >have no clue how to run it on my PC (no Python here). Python is a small interpreted language that is easy to install on Windows. You can get installers here: http://www.python.org/download/windows/ >Any chance to build a win32 or a TCL binary from this? At this point, I hope people are putting effort into shaking the bugs out of the new python version rather than fiddling with the old TCL. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly From tony@att.com Tue Feb 14 21:15:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3193421F864A for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:15:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.158, BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OiYbLADQIFep for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail120.messagelabs.com (mail120.messagelabs.com [216.82.250.83]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D7921F8596 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:15:12 -0800 (PST) X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1329282910!63716003!1 X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] X-StarScan-Version: 6.5.5; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 21552 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2012 05:15:11 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-7.tower-120.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 15 Feb 2012 05:15:11 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1F5Feg4006407 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:15:40 -0500 Received: from sflint02.pst.cso.att.com (sflint02.pst.cso.att.com [144.154.234.229]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q1F5FY56006352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:15:34 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by sflint02.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:14:56 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1F5Etla029220 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:14:55 -0500 Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1F5EqcQ029151 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:14:53 -0500 Received: from [135.70.171.11] (vpn-135-70-171-11.vpn.mwst.att.com[135.70.171.11]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20120215051239gw100e4l6de> (Authid: tony); Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:12:39 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.171.11] Message-ID: <4F3B3F49.9000106@att.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:14:49 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <4F2C5ED6.2040403@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-RSA-Action: allow Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Conversion errors X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:15:13 -0000 The line numbers are invalidated because of the include processing that=20 is performed in the first pass. Tony Hansen tony@att.com On 2/14/2012 11:15 AM, Zolt=E1n =D6rd=F6gh (GMail) wrote: > Would it be possible to fix the invalid line numbers on the error=20 > messages? From miekg@atoom.net Wed Feb 15 02:27:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2013821F86C5 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:27:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.111 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.111 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.112, BAYES_50=0.001, GB_I_LETTER=-2] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VVX3CHvKg88J for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:27:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D362021F87DF for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from elektron.atoom.net (elektron.atoom.net [85.223.71.124]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1FAQku6012439 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 02:26:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from miekg@atoom.net) Received: by elektron.atoom.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 65AAD3FF94; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:26:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:26:40 +0100 From: Miek Gieben To: Xml2rfc list Message-ID: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Xml2rfc list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Vim/Mutt/Linux X-Home: http://www.miek.nl Subject: [xml2rfc] testing xml2rfc (xml2rfc==2.2.3) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:27:21 -0000 --G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I just started playing with xml2rfc version 2, to see how it works wrt version 1 and pandoc2rfc. Version two seems to work OK, and creates a nice looking text file. I made the following observations. It seems the Roman list style isn't supported anymore -- this was a hidden feature in xml2rfc version 1: WARNING: No %c or %d found in list format string: format %i. Or uppercase: WARNING: No %c or %d found in list format string: format %I. Also non Roman uppercase letters don't work anymore: WARNING: No %c or %d found in list format string: format %C. Also, lines like: Halfway through the document, make the parsing fail. xml2rfc(1) handles this OK (just skips it, I assume?) These lines are easily created when cutting and pasting a reference into your doc. xml2rfc(1) uses two parameters on the command line: xml2rfc .xml .txt xml2rfc(2) discards the second one and writes .txt I'm not a fan of xml2rfc(1)'s behavior, but making xml2rfc(2) behave different makes upgrading harder... Things like:=20
. are expanded to "Section 2.1" in xml2rfc(1) and to see "[section]"=20 in xml2rfc(2). xml2rfc(1) add two spaces after a end-of-sentence dot, xml2rfc(2) one: 1: "back" section of an RFC. The easiest way is to create a template 2: "back" section of an RFC. The easiest way is to create a template XML In hanging paragraphs the same happens, two spaces for xml2rfc(1) and one space for xml2rfc(2). grtz, --=20 Miek --G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk87iGAACgkQJYuFzziA0PaITQCgtR7gHH+uQwb6G5xiw2kQhK5S GkMAoJRYtANxbVXdP87bPPWkv/u5hhY7 =Y6LH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --G4iJoqBmSsgzjUCe-- From miekg@atoom.net Wed Feb 15 03:12:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338ED21F8546 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:12:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.741 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.741 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jZBxnbhsbLop for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from elektron.atoom.net (cl-201.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:7b8:2ff:c8::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306DF21F857A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:12:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by elektron.atoom.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 88BB23FF5C; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:12:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:12:45 +0100 From: Miek Gieben To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list Message-ID: <20120215111245.GB8998@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list References: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> User-Agent: Vim/Mutt/Linux X-Home: http://www.miek.nl Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] testing xml2rfc (xml2rfc==2.2.3) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:12:54 -0000 --b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [ Quoting at 11:26 on Feb 15 in "[xml2rfc] testing xm..." ] > Hello, >=20 > I just started playing with xml2rfc version 2, to see how > it works wrt version 1 and pandoc2rfc. Version two seems > to work OK, and creates a nice looking text file. I made > the following observations. I do get a weird error which I don't understand: DISPLAY=3D sh xml-wrap template.xml draft.txt Parsing file template.xml WARNING: The include file at /home/miekg/src/pandoc2rfc/middle.xml containe= d an XML error and=20 was not expanded: Extra content at the end of the document, line 19= 7, column 1 ERROR: Unable to validate the XML document: template.xml Line 51: Element middle content does not follow the DTD, expecting (secti= on)+, got () make: *** [draft.txt] Error 1 Where in template.xml there is: And in middle.xml on line 197 there is: ..... 194 195
196=20 197
198 =20 199 ....=20 Which is all perfectly find in xml2rfc version 1. grtz Miek --b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk87ky0ACgkQJYuFzziA0PZbdwCfYFVc+5V2Yr4qAajTaMvc69Bo p7UAnA7YY6ILQllX4WrudDgnq1iS3CYJ =Trha -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW-- From miekg@atoom.net Wed Feb 15 03:12:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0987D21F86C1 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:12:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.741 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.741 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XNdVAu+gCKiq for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD8E421F86BD for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from elektron.atoom.net (elektron.atoom.net [85.223.71.124]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1FBCogQ013911 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 03:12:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from miekg@atoom.net) Received: by elektron.atoom.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 88BB23FF5C; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:12:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:12:45 +0100 From: Miek Gieben To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list Message-ID: <20120215111245.GB8998@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list References: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> User-Agent: Vim/Mutt/Linux X-Home: http://www.miek.nl Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] testing xml2rfc (xml2rfc==2.2.3) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 11:12:57 -0000 --b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [ Quoting at 11:26 on Feb 15 in "[xml2rfc] testing xm..." ] > Hello, >=20 > I just started playing with xml2rfc version 2, to see how > it works wrt version 1 and pandoc2rfc. Version two seems > to work OK, and creates a nice looking text file. I made > the following observations. I do get a weird error which I don't understand: DISPLAY=3D sh xml-wrap template.xml draft.txt Parsing file template.xml WARNING: The include file at /home/miekg/src/pandoc2rfc/middle.xml containe= d an XML error and=20 was not expanded: Extra content at the end of the document, line 19= 7, column 1 ERROR: Unable to validate the XML document: template.xml Line 51: Element middle content does not follow the DTD, expecting (secti= on)+, got () make: *** [draft.txt] Error 1 Where in template.xml there is: And in middle.xml on line 197 there is: ..... 194 195
196=20 197
198 =20 199 ....=20 Which is all perfectly find in xml2rfc version 1. grtz Miek --b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk87ky0ACgkQJYuFzziA0PZbdwCfYFVc+5V2Yr4qAajTaMvc69Bo p7UAnA7YY6ILQllX4WrudDgnq1iS3CYJ =Trha -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --b5gNqxB1S1yM7hjW-- From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Feb 15 04:52:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1D121F866E for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:52:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.405 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.405 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.806, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V8a5LM6bhy1p for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:52:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6366521F8650 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:52:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1FCq3SR015054 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:52:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Feb 2012 12:51:57 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp041) with SMTP; 15 Feb 2012 13:51:57 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+UUCt68LKUNLAZ6dzzfgctGAAZQ8BLBf05NdZ6h/ 0/URKjPnCWPg6i Message-ID: <4F3BAA6B.8090308@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:51:55 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Xml2rfc list References: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> In-Reply-To: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] testing xml2rfc (xml2rfc==2.2.3) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:52:17 -0000 On 2012-02-15 11:26, Miek Gieben wrote: > Hello, > > I just started playing with xml2rfc version 2, to see how > it works wrt version 1 and pandoc2rfc. Version two seems > to work OK, and creates a nice looking text file. I made > the following observations. > > It seems the Roman list style isn't supported anymore -- > this was a hidden feature in xml2rfc version 1: > > WARNING: No %c or %d found in list format string: format %i. > > Or uppercase: > > WARNING: No %c or %d found in list format string: format %I. > > Also non Roman uppercase letters don't work anymore: > > WARNING: No %c or %d found in list format string: format %C. I would consider that a bug. > Also, lines like: > > > > Halfway through the document, make the parsing fail. xml2rfc(1) handles > this OK (just skips it, I assume?) These lines are easily created when > cutting and pasting a reference into your doc. That's a feature, caused by using a proper XML parser. > xml2rfc(1) uses two parameters on the command line: > > xml2rfc.xml.txt > > xml2rfc(2) discards the second one and writes.txt > > I'm not a fan of xml2rfc(1)'s behavior, but making xml2rfc(2) > behave different makes upgrading harder... I don't think it makes a big difference; most people do not run local versions anyway right now. > Things like: > >
> . > > are expanded to "Section 2.1" in xml2rfc(1) and to see "[section]" > in xml2rfc(2). That's a bug. > xml2rfc(1) add two spaces after a end-of-sentence dot, xml2rfc(2) one: > > 1: "back" section of an RFC. The easiest way is to create a template > 2: "back" section of an RFC. The easiest way is to create a template XML That's a bug. > In hanging paragraphs the same happens, two spaces for xml2rfc(1) and one > space for xml2rfc(2). > > grtz, I recommend opening tickets at . Best regards, Julian From miekg@atoom.net Wed Feb 15 12:03:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44F821F85FD for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:03:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.926 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.926 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.185, BAYES_05=-1.11, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id toAtU4M3SFzL for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:03:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from elektron.atoom.net (cl-201.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:7b8:2ff:c8::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134D321F8600 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:03:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by elektron.atoom.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 326993FF5C; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:03:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:03:16 +0100 From: Miek Gieben To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list Message-ID: <20120215200316.GA18096@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list References: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> <4F3BAA6B.8090308@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F3BAA6B.8090308@gmx.de> User-Agent: Vim/Mutt/Linux X-Home: http://www.miek.nl Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] testing xml2rfc (xml2rfc==2.2.3) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:03:23 -0000 --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [ Quoting at 13:51 on Feb 15 in "Re: [xml2rfc] test= in..." ] > >In hanging paragraphs the same happens, two spaces for xml2rfc(1) and one > >space for xml2rfc(2). > > > > grtz, >=20 > I recommend opening tickets at > . done, but let me just say it was completely non-obvious how to create an ac= count. I rather use the mailing list for stuff like this. grtz Miek --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk88D4QACgkQJYuFzziA0PaVWACggOhGQeZpnqxtfPr8d9aCxgLY lvkAn2SPLa14KblIl2ufLKCBCEY8sv95 =XC1V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ-- From miekg@atoom.net Wed Feb 15 12:03:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6A921E809B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:03:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.926 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.926 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.185, BAYES_05=-1.11, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NKBuTNqGNp1l for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA36021E808E for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:03:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from elektron.atoom.net (elektron.atoom.net [85.223.71.124]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1FK3LUf020190 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:03:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from miekg@atoom.net) Received: by elektron.atoom.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 326993FF5C; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:03:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:03:16 +0100 From: Miek Gieben To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list Message-ID: <20120215200316.GA18096@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list References: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> <4F3BAA6B.8090308@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F3BAA6B.8090308@gmx.de> User-Agent: Vim/Mutt/Linux X-Home: http://www.miek.nl Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] testing xml2rfc (xml2rfc==2.2.3) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:03:27 -0000 --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [ Quoting at 13:51 on Feb 15 in "Re: [xml2rfc] test= in..." ] > >In hanging paragraphs the same happens, two spaces for xml2rfc(1) and one > >space for xml2rfc(2). > > > > grtz, >=20 > I recommend opening tickets at > . done, but let me just say it was completely non-obvious how to create an ac= count. I rather use the mailing list for stuff like this. grtz Miek --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk88D4QACgkQJYuFzziA0PaVWACggOhGQeZpnqxtfPr8d9aCxgLY lvkAn2SPLa14KblIl2ufLKCBCEY8sv95 =XC1V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ-- From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Feb 15 12:13:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5105221F8535 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:13:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.25 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.25 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.651, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KzrPHLmahPQ1 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 56E7721F849C for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:12:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Feb 2012 20:12:41 -0000 Received: from p3EE26B95.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [62.226.107.149] by mail.gmx.net (mp037) with SMTP; 15 Feb 2012 21:12:41 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/V6AwBrIvV8PMRpy+nq11BQcHnF26KhoL8VV1NBn JBexoIQrEm7+5u Message-ID: <4F3C11B6.90302@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:12:38 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list References: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> <4F3BAA6B.8090308@gmx.de> <20120215200316.GA18096@miek.nl> In-Reply-To: <20120215200316.GA18096@miek.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] testing xml2rfc (xml2rfc==2.2.3) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:13:00 -0000 On 2012-02-15 21:03, Miek Gieben wrote: > [ Quoting at 13:51 on Feb 15 in "Re: [xml2rfc] testin..." ] >>> In hanging paragraphs the same happens, two spaces for xml2rfc(1) and one >>> space for xml2rfc(2). >>> >>> grtz, >> >> I recommend opening tickets at >> . > > done, but let me just say it was completely non-obvious how to create an account. > > I rather use the mailing list for stuff like this. Mailing lists work best when those you need to fix the bugs read the list :-) From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Feb 15 12:13:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7442321F849C for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:13:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.231 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.231 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.632, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LwkyH+wcBy+B for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB5D21E808A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:12:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q1FKClLm020300 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:12:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Feb 2012 20:12:41 -0000 Received: from p3EE26B95.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [62.226.107.149] by mail.gmx.net (mp037) with SMTP; 15 Feb 2012 21:12:41 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/V6AwBrIvV8PMRpy+nq11BQcHnF26KhoL8VV1NBn JBexoIQrEm7+5u Message-ID: <4F3C11B6.90302@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:12:38 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list References: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> <4F3BAA6B.8090308@gmx.de> <20120215200316.GA18096@miek.nl> In-Reply-To: <20120215200316.GA18096@miek.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] testing xml2rfc (xml2rfc==2.2.3) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:13:00 -0000 On 2012-02-15 21:03, Miek Gieben wrote: > [ Quoting at 13:51 on Feb 15 in "Re: [xml2rfc] testin..." ] >>> In hanging paragraphs the same happens, two spaces for xml2rfc(1) and one >>> space for xml2rfc(2). >>> >>> grtz, >> >> I recommend opening tickets at >> . > > done, but let me just say it was completely non-obvious how to create an account. > > I rather use the mailing list for stuff like this. Mailing lists work best when those you need to fix the bugs read the list :-) From miekg@atoom.net Wed Feb 15 12:45:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC5F21E80AC for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:45:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.763 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.763 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.837, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dXN1BV5Uf7mQ for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from elektron.atoom.net (cl-201.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:7b8:2ff:c8::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710F921E80A4 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:45:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by elektron.atoom.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AE2A6401DA; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:45:44 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:45:44 +0100 From: Miek Gieben To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list Message-ID: <20120215204544.GA12029@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list References: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> <4F3BAA6B.8090308@gmx.de> <20120215200316.GA18096@miek.nl> <4F3C11B6.90302@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F3C11B6.90302@gmx.de> User-Agent: Vim/Mutt/Linux X-Home: http://www.miek.nl Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] testing xml2rfc (xml2rfc==2.2.3) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:45:56 -0000 --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [ Quoting at 21:12 on Feb 15 in "Re: [xml2rfc] test= in..." ] > >done, but let me just say it was completely non-obvious how to create an= account. > > > >I rather use the mailing list for stuff like this. >=20 > Mailing lists work best when those you need to fix the bugs read the > list :-) uhmm, OK. The devs dealing with the tool are not subscribed to the list about the tool... grtz Miek --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk88GXgACgkQJYuFzziA0PbasgCggTJkfQ8bQHUHJPvkV5xAcDpA bEsAoM3oFp4B+B916E93yUGVDDTClmek =CtJg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z-- From miekg@atoom.net Wed Feb 15 12:45:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 617C321E80A4 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:45:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.763 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.763 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.837, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LvXnQS12elXX for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:45:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECCEE21E80A8 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:45:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from elektron.atoom.net (elektron.atoom.net [85.223.71.124]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1FKjog4020598 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 12:45:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from miekg@atoom.net) Received: by elektron.atoom.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AE2A6401DA; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:45:44 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:45:44 +0100 From: Miek Gieben To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list Message-ID: <20120215204544.GA12029@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list References: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> <4F3BAA6B.8090308@gmx.de> <20120215200316.GA18096@miek.nl> <4F3C11B6.90302@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4F3C11B6.90302@gmx.de> User-Agent: Vim/Mutt/Linux X-Home: http://www.miek.nl Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] testing xml2rfc (xml2rfc==2.2.3) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:45:56 -0000 --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [ Quoting at 21:12 on Feb 15 in "Re: [xml2rfc] test= in..." ] > >done, but let me just say it was completely non-obvious how to create an= account. > > > >I rather use the mailing list for stuff like this. >=20 > Mailing lists work best when those you need to fix the bugs read the > list :-) uhmm, OK. The devs dealing with the tool are not subscribed to the list about the tool... grtz Miek --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk88GXgACgkQJYuFzziA0PbasgCggTJkfQ8bQHUHJPvkV5xAcDpA bEsAoM3oFp4B+B916E93yUGVDDTClmek =CtJg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7AUc2qLy4jB3hD7Z-- From marka@isc.org Wed Feb 15 14:50:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5249A21E80DA for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:50:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.061, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WPQbjl9h3UcJ for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:50:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.pao1.isc.org (mx.pao1.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:0:2::2b]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78C921E80CC for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:50:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from bikeshed.isc.org (bikeshed.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:d::19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bikeshed.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.pao1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E82EC942B; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:50:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:15e4:7811:3ea0:7a7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by bikeshed.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C47EE216C6D; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:50:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02741D652F9; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:50:17 +1100 (EST) To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list From: Mark Andrews References: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> <4F3BAA6B.8090308@gmx.de> <20120215200316.GA18096@miek.nl> <4F3C11B6.90302@gmx.de> <20120215204544.GA12029@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:45:44 BST." <20120215204544.GA12029@miek.nl> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:50:17 +1100 Message-Id: <20120215225017.D02741D652F9@drugs.dv.isc.org> Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] testing xml2rfc (xml2rfc==2.2.3) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:50:35 -0000 In message <20120215204544.GA12029@miek.nl>, Miek Gieben writes: > > [ Quoting at 21:12 on Feb 15 in "Re: [xml2rfc] test= > in..." ] > > >done, but let me just say it was completely non-obvious how to create an= > account. > > > > > >I rather use the mailing list for stuff like this. > >=20 > > Mailing lists work best when those you need to fix the bugs read the > > list :-) > > uhmm, OK. The devs dealing with the tool are not subscribed to the > list about the tool... > > grtz Miek Whether they read the list or not doesn't matter. If you put a bug into a tracking system it shouldn't get lost. Sending it to a list means that some, who could be fixing the bug, has to spend time adding it to the tracking system. I know bugs can get overlooked with a tracking system but they are still there for anyone to easily find. In a list they are nearly impossible to find. -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From marka@isc.org Wed Feb 15 14:50:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B295C21E80E4 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:50:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.538 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.061, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H0Vc50qx+kMo for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7076121E80E3 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.pao1.isc.org (mx.pao1.isc.org [149.20.64.53]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1FModuF021920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:50:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from bikeshed.isc.org (bikeshed.isc.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:3:d::19]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "bikeshed.isc.org", Issuer "ISC CA" (verified OK)) by mx.pao1.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E82EC942B; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:50:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f00:820:15e4:7811:3ea0:7a7]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by bikeshed.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C47EE216C6D; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:50:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marka@isc.org) Received: from drugs.dv.isc.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drugs.dv.isc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02741D652F9; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:50:17 +1100 (EST) To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list From: Mark Andrews References: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> <4F3BAA6B.8090308@gmx.de> <20120215200316.GA18096@miek.nl> <4F3C11B6.90302@gmx.de> <20120215204544.GA12029@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Feb 2012 21:45:44 BST." <20120215204544.GA12029@miek.nl> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:50:17 +1100 Message-Id: <20120215225017.D02741D652F9@drugs.dv.isc.org> Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] testing xml2rfc (xml2rfc==2.2.3) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:50:45 -0000 In message <20120215204544.GA12029@miek.nl>, Miek Gieben writes: > > [ Quoting at 21:12 on Feb 15 in "Re: [xml2rfc] test= > in..." ] > > >done, but let me just say it was completely non-obvious how to create an= > account. > > > > > >I rather use the mailing list for stuff like this. > >=20 > > Mailing lists work best when those you need to fix the bugs read the > > list :-) > > uhmm, OK. The devs dealing with the tool are not subscribed to the > list about the tool... > > grtz Miek Whether they read the list or not doesn't matter. If you put a bug into a tracking system it shouldn't get lost. Sending it to a list means that some, who could be fixing the bug, has to spend time adding it to the tracking system. I know bugs can get overlooked with a tracking system but they are still there for anyone to easily find. In a list they are nearly impossible to find. -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org From miekg@atoom.net Wed Feb 15 15:03:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F00F21E80B9 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:03:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.297 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.297 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.186, BAYES_05=-1.11, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gj9X8VdDbpss for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:03:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from elektron.atoom.net (cl-201.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:7b8:2ff:c8::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 502C821E80C7 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:03:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by elektron.atoom.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 76F013FE5F; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:03:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:03:57 +0100 From: Miek Gieben To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list Message-ID: <20120215230357.GC29491@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list References: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> <4F3BAA6B.8090308@gmx.de> <20120215200316.GA18096@miek.nl> <4F3C11B6.90302@gmx.de> <20120215204544.GA12029@miek.nl> <20120215225017.D02741D652F9@drugs.dv.isc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120215225017.D02741D652F9@drugs.dv.isc.org> User-Agent: Vim/Mutt/Linux X-Home: http://www.miek.nl Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] testing xml2rfc (xml2rfc==2.2.3) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:03:59 -0000 --TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [ Quoting at 09:50 on Feb 16 in "Re: [xml2rfc] testin..." ] > > uhmm, OK. The devs dealing with the tool are not subscribed to the > > list about the tool... >=20 > Whether they read the list or not doesn't matter. If you put a bug > into a tracking system it shouldn't get lost. Sending it to a list > means that some, who could be fixing the bug, has to spend time > adding it to the tracking system.=20 >=20 > I know bugs can get overlooked with a tracking system but they are > still there for anyone to easily find. In a list they are nearly > impossible to find. True, but I think the logic should be reversed. If someone is putting in time and effort into unconvering bugs, there=20 shouldn't be extra hurdles to get the bug report in the right place. Yes, this is difficult and yes there should be a central place where all bugs are kept. But this should not be the burden of the bug reporter. Note: I don't say it should be the burder of the developer either. I, for o= ne, are happy with bug reports via e-mail, twitter or a bug tracker. But with l= arge projects things could be different. grtz Miek --TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk88Od0ACgkQJYuFzziA0Pb6BQCg78xG1i3KDTUIV4r/qSfqEUjq WR4AoJ9B8EpcwF2AtnXEWgDSHyh2XwCy =Es3n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg-- From miekg@atoom.net Wed Feb 15 15:04:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56C221E80CC for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:04:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.297 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.297 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.186, BAYES_05=-1.11, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2XVB+fyuISLN for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:04:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767A921E80B9 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:04:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from elektron.atoom.net (elektron.atoom.net [85.223.71.124]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1FN43gV022027 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:04:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from miekg@atoom.net) Received: by elektron.atoom.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 76F013FE5F; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:03:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 00:03:57 +0100 From: Miek Gieben To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list Message-ID: <20120215230357.GC29491@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Xml2rfc list References: <20120215102640.GA8998@miek.nl> <4F3BAA6B.8090308@gmx.de> <20120215200316.GA18096@miek.nl> <4F3C11B6.90302@gmx.de> <20120215204544.GA12029@miek.nl> <20120215225017.D02741D652F9@drugs.dv.isc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120215225017.D02741D652F9@drugs.dv.isc.org> User-Agent: Vim/Mutt/Linux X-Home: http://www.miek.nl Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] testing xml2rfc (xml2rfc==2.2.3) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 23:04:26 -0000 --TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [ Quoting at 09:50 on Feb 16 in "Re: [xml2rfc] testin..." ] > > uhmm, OK. The devs dealing with the tool are not subscribed to the > > list about the tool... >=20 > Whether they read the list or not doesn't matter. If you put a bug > into a tracking system it shouldn't get lost. Sending it to a list > means that some, who could be fixing the bug, has to spend time > adding it to the tracking system.=20 >=20 > I know bugs can get overlooked with a tracking system but they are > still there for anyone to easily find. In a list they are nearly > impossible to find. True, but I think the logic should be reversed. If someone is putting in time and effort into unconvering bugs, there=20 shouldn't be extra hurdles to get the bug report in the right place. Yes, this is difficult and yes there should be a central place where all bugs are kept. But this should not be the burden of the bug reporter. Note: I don't say it should be the burder of the developer either. I, for o= ne, are happy with bug reports via e-mail, twitter or a bug tracker. But with l= arge projects things could be different. grtz Miek --TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk88Od0ACgkQJYuFzziA0Pb6BQCg78xG1i3KDTUIV4r/qSfqEUjq WR4AoJ9B8EpcwF2AtnXEWgDSHyh2XwCy =Es3n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TiqCXmo5T1hvSQQg-- From gregimirsky@gmail.com Fri Feb 17 17:07:46 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402A821F8594 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:07:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.113 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.113 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.485, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DKcH5n1hqmQq for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f172.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7200821F8593 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by obbwd15 with SMTP id wd15so5902509obb.31 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gregimirsky@gmail.com designates 10.182.72.35 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.182.72.35; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gregimirsky@gmail.com designates 10.182.72.35 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gregimirsky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=gregimirsky@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.182.72.35]) by 10.182.72.35 with SMTP id a3mr7734173obv.16.1329527265134 (num_hops = 1); Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:07:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=za5W5McFIN7sOMT1rnEXACgFxrVgTGvZwlDEjTRnsHU=; b=k8g+WPUznn1XyWDIxYMEiNhvXqZjYiE95/FLMm8LAw1osKbezKrk1pa41nQnorxpkd ECStDuu8HiCty20lF7AFkhGfGUxQY28ynIPgP4STa5qYZZvhU4diXoGGaIFVL+IHd3Y0 wBhj6mppo8jNUFwGn7M0ZRIakRKEtttLg462Q= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.72.35 with SMTP id a3mr6471194obv.16.1329527265078; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:07:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.38.67 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:07:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2012 17:07:45 -0800 Message-ID: From: Greg Mirsky To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044632705aad1804b932b01a Subject: [xml2rfc] Trouble with referencing draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal-00 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:07:46 -0000 --f46d044632705aad1804b932b01a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello, have trouble trying to reference draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal-00 in my draft. I've done this: ]> ... ... &VCCV-GAL-PW; ... And I get this error: INPUT: 520 ms (276 elems, 346 attrs, 1128 spaces, 13980 chars) [Error] INPUT:568:8: An element with the identifier "I-D.draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal-00" must appear in the document. Suggestion, help or clue greatly appreciated. Regards, Greg --f46d044632705aad1804b932b01a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,
have trouble trying to reference draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal-00 = in my draft.
I've done this:
<!DOCTYPE rfc SYSTEM "rfc262= 9.dtd"[
<!ENTITY VCCV-GAL-PW SYSTEM "http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-ietf= -pwe3-vccv-for-gal-00.xml">
]>
...
<xref target=3D"I-D.draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal-00= " />
...
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 &VCCV-GAL-PW;
...
And I ge= t this error:
INPU=
T: 520 ms (276 elems, 346 attrs, 1128 spaces, 13980 chars)
[Error] INPUT:568:8: An element with the identifier "I-D.draft-ietf-pw=
e3-vccv-for-gal-00" must appear in the document.

Suggestion, he=
lp or clue greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Greg



--f46d044632705aad1804b932b01a-- From julian.reschke@gmx.de Fri Feb 17 23:54:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA20621F8636 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:54:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.162 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.162 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.563, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JlVAi6AeuWwV for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F301821F84D7 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2012 23:54:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 18 Feb 2012 07:53:59 -0000 Received: from p5DCC271E.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [93.204.39.30] by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 18 Feb 2012 08:53:59 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1929IseIgl2NMGVtxbjC2XTVDklOrQY9d2RV8qfhQ 8nhMq2q8uh3NbD Message-ID: <4F3F5915.8040502@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 08:53:57 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.1) Gecko/20120208 Thunderbird/10.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Mirsky References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Trouble with referencing draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal-00 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 07:54:08 -0000 On 2012-02-18 02:07, Greg Mirsky wrote: > Hello, > have trouble trying to reference draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal-00 in my > draft. > I've done this: > "http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal-00.xml"> > ]> > ... > > ... > &VCCV-GAL-PW; > ... > And I get this error: > > INPUT: 520 ms (276 elems, 346 attrs, 1128 spaces, 13980 chars) > [Error] INPUT:568:8: An element with the identifier"I-D.draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal-00" must appear in the document. > > Suggestion, help or clue greatly appreciated. has a reference entry for "I-D.draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal", not "I-D.draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-for-gal-00". I believe that if you want to cite a specific version of a draft, you can't use the predefined reference files over there (but then I may be wrong; I don't use them and I really believe using them the way they are used right now is a bad idea). Best regards, Julian From miekg@atoom.net Mon Feb 20 07:24:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D010A21F8746 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:24:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.100, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Iqa+UtbzV9vS for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E46121F8715 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:24:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from elektron.atoom.net (elektron.atoom.net [85.223.71.124]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1KFO11w038474 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:24:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from miekg@atoom.net) Received: by elektron.atoom.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7AC793FF26; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:23:54 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:23:54 +0100 From: Miek Gieben To: Xml2rfc list Message-ID: <20120220152354.GA25296@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Xml2rfc list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Vim/Mutt/Linux X-Home: http://www.miek.nl Subject: [xml2rfc] http://xml.resource.org/authoring/xml2rfc2-dev.log X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 15:24:28 -0000 --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, The http://xml.resource.org/authoring/xml2rfc2-dev.log URL as seen on http://xml.resource.org/experimental.html does not work. grtz, --=20 Miek --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9CZYoACgkQJYuFzziA0Pa06gCfdOJcwbYAIBajZZ3ColIIIYvf 05kAoJw4nFqjBZT0Rxt+XQGMfEK/cXVn =96Vy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --vtzGhvizbBRQ85DL-- From A.Hoenes@TR-Sys.de Fri Feb 24 11:20:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F6821F86E3 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:20:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -97.329 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.329 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.439, BAYES_20=-0.74, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lk1fuN5ZlwWD for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from TR-Sys.de (gateway.tr-sys.de [213.178.172.147]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B55C821F86B7 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:20:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3.2) id AA064681179; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:19:39 +0100 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id UAA25120; Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:19:38 +0100 (MEZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <201202241919.UAA25120@TR-Sys.de> To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:19:38 +0100 (MEZ) X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:51:35 -0800 Subject: [xml2rfc] "symbol" style lists -- typo in README, and a question X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:20:41 -0000 Section 4.1.1 of the current xml2rfc README file contains a significant typo for a new keyword. It would be nice if that confusing glitch could be corrected: s/text-list-sybols/text-list-symbols/ ^ The trailing sentence of the same section indicates that such directives are "normally put ... at the beginning of the document". However, several PIs are commonly reset inside drafts to achieve specific formatting goals, for instance "subcompact", "rfcedstyle", "artworklines", "artworkdelimiter", and experience showed that changing the values of these directives works as intuitively expected; yet, I suspect that doesn't work for "text-list-symbols", which I wanted to apply specifically to achieve the appearance of an original document being updated now. Question: What was the intended behavior for "text-list-symbols": effective globally for whole document, or working modally (last given PI applies) ? Kind regards, Alfred. -- +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes | Alfred Hoenes Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys. | | Gerlinger Strasse 12 | Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 | | D-71254 Ditzingen | E-Mail: ah@TR-Sys.de | +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ From dhc2@dcrocker.net Tue Feb 28 07:38:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0D821F86A5 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:38:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.729 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.729 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.730, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2ynNL+W39O4M for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A16F21F86A8 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:38:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q1SFc4iC001691 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:38:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dhc2@dcrocker.net) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-67-127-58-62.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.127.58.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1SFbxrs004768 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:38:04 -0800 Message-ID: <4F4CF4D7.30808@dcrocker.net> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:37:59 -0800 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:38:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [xml2rfc] abacknaur.org ? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:38:10 -0000 Folks, This is a kind of market research query. I periodically get queries about what ABNF parsers there are, and the IETF errata log now has an entry for a testing engine for ABNF. I'm not aware of an ABNF homesite, which is the kind of place such things are usually listed. If anyone knows of one, what is it's URL. If no one knows of such a site, do you think it would be helpful to form one? abnf.* are taken. My current thought is abacknaur.org but better choices are welcome. Thoughts? Thanks d/ ps. no this isn't an ABNF list, but there isn't one. -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From lear@cisco.com Tue Feb 28 12:26:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D630221F85B4 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:26:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.54 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.54 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vns-J4ij15et for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:26:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F190421F85A4 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:26:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=lear@cisco.com; l=523; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1330460766; x=1331670366; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject: content-transfer-encoding; bh=H8oM9j+0uzpmrkiVLJs5Z8jornCgOYOxJ9wnW4I7ZiU=; b=httyMTVXBcRFQLK0J7uufi2xymTgxtDmBgvaecs04MWqufpTfnDryiTl mgGWLyjU8uMzC/+zBMnkSqy/MIuWKaabnCWJ1WBcJK+uzmifT3Iy7HI2U 8GWJGr5YVqQf3hU3yF2lMUMUPFlfulHJGMkmrg8eFpxp7RB1GTl7eyKR4 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAPc3TU+Q/khN/2dsb2JhbABDhTmuLYEHghABEFU2AgUWCwILAwIBAgE/GQgBAR6HZp9pgScBjGWKPoEvi1UrAgIHBgQHAwEEAwUJDQkBCgMDAQIChQIPeYIIgRYElT+ScQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,497,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="67293702" Received: from ams-core-4.cisco.com ([144.254.72.77]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Feb 2012 20:26:04 +0000 Received: from dhcp-10-55-82-110.cisco.com (dhcp-10-55-82-110.cisco.com [10.55.82.110]) by ams-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1SKQ4QO027015 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:26:04 GMT Message-ID: <4F4D385B.3010109@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:26:03 +0100 From: Eliot Lear User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xml2rfc] postcode city order X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:26:06 -0000 Hi everyone, Outside of the United States it is often (though certainly not universally) true that postcodes are expected to come before cities. For instance, my work address would be as follows: Richtistrasse 7 CH-8620 Wallisellen Switzerland It would be nice if there were a simple way to indicate postcode order. Perhaps as a parameter to address, such as the following:
With of course the appropriate default being "afterregion". What do others think? Eliot From julian.reschke@gmx.de Tue Feb 28 12:57:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F373D21E8066 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:57:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.293 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.293 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.694, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c09uJSFb9TA8 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:57:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E7BD221E8063 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 12:57:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Feb 2012 20:57:09 -0000 Received: from p3EE2676A.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [62.226.103.106] by mail.gmx.net (mp016) with SMTP; 28 Feb 2012 21:57:09 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/w+mw+iFPwBoSh53e+lWeitBxRaLJG6N8yCufLRL CyunP33bsdQ9UY Message-ID: <4F4D3FA2.8090809@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:57:06 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eliot Lear References: <4F4D385B.3010109@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4F4D385B.3010109@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] postcode city order X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:57:16 -0000 On 2012-02-28 21:26, Eliot Lear wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Outside of the United States it is often (though certainly not > universally) true that postcodes are expected to come before cities. > For instance, my work address would be as follows: > > Richtistrasse 7 > CH-8620 Wallisellen > Switzerland > > It would be nice if there were a simple way to indicate postcode order. > Perhaps as a parameter to address, such as the following: > >
> > With of course the appropriate default being "afterregion". > > What do others think? I believe you're opening a can of worms :-) Another approach would be to allow the author to specify the text as presented, and use the XML elements just for marking up. Best regards, Julian From aaron@serendipity.cx Tue Feb 28 13:30:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 948F721E8039 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:30:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.452 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.452 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.191, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YVesR5HeZ6f9 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from slice.serendipity.cx (slice.serendipity.cx [67.23.2.90]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B11B121E802C for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com (mail-vw0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by slice.serendipity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A48F6110042 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10so2748075vbb.31 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of aaron@serendipity.cx designates 10.52.91.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.91.47; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of aaron@serendipity.cx designates 10.52.91.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=aaron@serendipity.cx Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.91.47]) by 10.52.91.47 with SMTP id cb15mr15023535vdb.76.1330464652276 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:30:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.91.47 with SMTP id cb15mr12443497vdb.76.1330464652224; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:30:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.71.5 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:30:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F4D385B.3010109@cisco.com> References: <4F4D385B.3010109@cisco.com> From: Aaron Stone Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:30:32 -0800 Message-ID: To: Eliot Lear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] postcode city order X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:30:58 -0000
Upside: allows each address to self-describe its format. Downside: each address must self-describe its format, and creates spaghetti code with a variety of options, e.g. postcode-before-city, number-before-street, position of state/region, if any, etc.
Upside: the tool provides the formatting from semantic tags. Downside: the tool needs a big mapping of countries to customary formats. Aaron On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Eliot Lear wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Outside of the United States it is often (though certainly not > universally) true that postcodes are expected to come before cities. > For instance, my work address would be as follows: > > Richtistrasse 7 > CH-8620 Wallisellen > Switzerland > > It would be nice if there were a simple way to indicate postcode order. > Perhaps as a parameter to address, such as the following: > >
> > With of course the appropriate default being "afterregion". > > What do others think? > > Eliot > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc From tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com Tue Feb 28 13:51:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F53021F8667 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:51:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Gs-mn9s+Stw for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gy0-f172.google.com (mail-gy0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2B421E8018 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by ghbg16 with SMTP id g16so3178526ghb.31 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com designates 10.236.154.137 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.154.137; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com designates 10.236.154.137 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.236.154.137]) by 10.236.154.137 with SMTP id h9mr31510159yhk.91.1330465884233 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:51:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-antivirus :x-antivirus-status; bh=eTNuKPQ3FUNzQLrwmXBv2mEtjchZztXYStp/JIeNivA=; b=RKabtNV8RM9mGhadFI1l3nEyShV2b+eR8U6rTQTSASKOB3BdCRqn57CQrdW/aDOq+y +lg4j/DRLZq3RJZH5lYgu4W/jLrsTLK4jr0uyRm115jh1KpTjLEoIgDSvZpmIu1pedzA SM9Tb4+w2BY/XoUDfYCEMjMsEsi2eKZ9e0CNA= Received: by 10.236.154.137 with SMTP id h9mr23883986yhk.91.1330465884186; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:51:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([216.254.195.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n12sm50344882yhe.10.2012.02.28.13.51.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:51:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F4D4C59.3060900@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:51:21 -0500 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <4F4D385B.3010109@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120228-1, 28/02/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] postcode city order X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 21:51:25 -0000 I had the impression that I could effect the proper ordering simply by placing the postcode element ahead of the city element. There's a comment in Elwyn Davies's template that led me to that belief. The DTD doesn't precribe the order. On 28/02/2012 4:30 PM, Aaron Stone wrote: >
> > Upside: allows each address to self-describe its format. > > Downside: each address must self-describe its format, and creates > spaghetti code with a variety of options, e.g. postcode-before-city, > number-before-street, position of state/region, if any, etc. > >
> > Upside: the tool provides the formatting from semantic tags. > > Downside: the tool needs a big mapping of countries to customary formats. > > Aaron > > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Eliot Lear wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> Outside of the United States it is often (though certainly not >> universally) true that postcodes are expected to come before cities. >> For instance, my work address would be as follows: >> >> Richtistrasse 7 >> CH-8620 Wallisellen >> Switzerland >> >> It would be nice if there were a simple way to indicate postcode order. >> Perhaps as a parameter to address, such as the following: >> >>
>> >> With of course the appropriate default being "afterregion". >> >> What do others think? >> >> Eliot >> _______________________________________________ >> xml2rfc mailing list >> xml2rfc@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > From johnl@iecc.com Tue Feb 28 15:30:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A23121E8034 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:30:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.646, BAYES_00=-2.599, HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI=-4.3, RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED=-4.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HleWcZ10dq1e for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:30:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D5521E802A for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:30:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11357 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2012 23:30:40 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2012 23:30:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=4f4d63a0.xn--30v786c.k1202; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=612kvPxZWYR2vJnJxuUA8ak+tpTfRyjOjNySHobOCZ0=; b=jLYhjvFAtTCipjaewQ2iay2c34wFPXOOPi9AnNtVO8rcIcgWPHInEE4LQSIx/9cxCFJRsKLPMTEecupsFfKG13yjeO3B4jthznc1tIjRVl8Tw4D3mcnMT59IsPXsCuLRBupRzmvLU9KM185gwLIg0Zv/QyLzoBBmV+hUD324Ypk= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 28 Feb 2012 23:30:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20120228233018.8905.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: xml2rfc@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <4F4CF4D7.30808@dcrocker.net> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: dcrocker@bbiw.net Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] abacknaur.org ? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:30:42 -0000 >abnf.* are taken. My current thought is abacknaur.org but better choices are >welcome. How about abnf.biz or, since you live in the US, abnf.us ? Or a-bnf.com or a-bnf.org ? Or perhaps the IETF could be persuaded to lend you abnf.ietf.org since the IETF is by far the main place that cares about ABNF. R's, John From nico@cryptonector.com Tue Feb 28 17:09:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB28121F872A for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:09:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.239 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.239 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.262, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yzdMmSLPxtbp for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcbhh.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.177]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5BE21F8726 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BDAE594062 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:09:50 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cryptonector.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s= cryptonector.com; b=qifsBcN2OASmoCpi6s8X0Upav3nQHKdd1YB7eJ05MNZC +nk7nFYKGGRure/X6XRam94nYTD0aSP2GRKwMV1AxDOUChEZMJB21x+3mfAaWA53 qDDykeIIhK5A1uAUCZ1Jwxb25Rp95v+RApVpVjddtT7cA7Z51xzmZv/rD1L2n3s= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= cryptonector.com; bh=CDW9yrIulhUzwRemvrmr64pqdns=; b=n2QBqo5meEh 0pj91YngpTRvYSQKteC6TDRM0ZGcQk2dvcJXKbWwMOC+kJTWc/vg6tBYOwWEqWm/ szYZie/YemOd6lyUmY4y7vvWIzHepe5ZCzUgi6htu+W/ZtFcDp9Pz4WjSonk8uyW /rMvP7md0OpB4BGvICS1Q7OAmu8aTlqM= Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a33.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F3BA359401F for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by dakl33 with SMTP id l33so2826494dak.31 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nico@cryptonector.com designates 10.68.228.69 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.68.228.69; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nico@cryptonector.com designates 10.68.228.69 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nico@cryptonector.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.68.228.69]) by 10.68.228.69 with SMTP id sg5mr61423954pbc.118.1330477789691 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:09:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.228.69 with SMTP id sg5mr51698327pbc.118.1330477789677; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.28.6 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:09:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20120228233018.8905.qmail@joyce.lan> References: <4F4CF4D7.30808@dcrocker.net> <20120228233018.8905.qmail@joyce.lan> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:09:49 -0600 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: John Levine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org, dcrocker@bbiw.net Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] abacknaur.org ? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:09:51 -0000 On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:30 PM, John Levine wrote: >>abnf.* are taken. =C2=A0My current thought is abacknaur.org but better ch= oices are >>welcome. > > How about abnf.biz or, since you live in the US, abnf.us ? =C2=A0Or a-bnf= .com > or a-bnf.org ? > > Or perhaps the IETF could be persuaded to lend you abnf.ietf.org since > the IETF is by far the main place that cares about ABNF. It'd sure be nice if we had a standard way to extract ABNF (and other things) from RFCs and have idnits check them for correctness on upload. The NFS RFCs, for example, encode XDR in the text of the RFC such that a trivial Unix command-line can extract the XDR. I think we should encourage this approach for all syntax that is possible to validate. There's enough opensource that the IETF tools team could easily provide validators for ABNF, ASN.1, XDR, XML Schema, JSON Schema, and so on. Of course, putting that together will be a PITA. But it'd sure be nice! Nico -- From csimbi@gmail.com Tue Feb 28 17:15:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C35821F8743 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:15:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.38 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.38 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.918, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NbAXOxesGXvp for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:15:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5605C21F8680 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:15:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by bkuw5 with SMTP id w5so2307320bku.31 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:15:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of csimbi@gmail.com designates 10.204.148.79 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.148.79; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of csimbi@gmail.com designates 10.204.148.79 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=csimbi@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=csimbi@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.204.148.79]) by 10.204.148.79 with SMTP id o15mr10951156bkv.33.1330478128486 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:15:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=+/VssBRF5SAZSrf67x5L9mcNvNgui4HOW8NqOaHf2r4=; b=TXV2qjX0PIm4HrYbCxAILw3ssHnW9AtXAV2JxUlMuqKOKrQrlUPQrrHRCdw77Eacg/ /ZvVF8l3CCoVXdWNcJDRCFHCFWwOIPhjC4WkXVCEI5vK7J26T8M9vNkdEcAl3pOlSdDX PiUJmUw64jupCQLa7WiNGzPlVjxDhL4hDrtr4= Received: by 10.204.148.79 with SMTP id o15mr8869806bkv.33.1330478128322; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:15:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.153.207 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:15:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4F4CF4D7.30808@dcrocker.net> <20120228233018.8905.qmail@joyce.lan> From: =?UTF-8?B?Wm9sdMOhbiDDlnJkw7ZnaCAoR01haWwp?= Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:15:08 -0500 Message-ID: To: Nico Williams Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd3b43858a104ba101465 Cc: John Levine , xml2rfc@ietf.org, dcrocker@bbiw.net Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] abacknaur.org ? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:15:33 -0000 --0015175cd3b43858a104ba101465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable augmented.backus-naur.org Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Nico Williams wrote= : > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:30 PM, John Levine wrote: > >>abnf.* are taken. My current thought is abacknaur.org but better > choices are > >>welcome. > > > > How about abnf.biz or, since you live in the US, abnf.us ? Or a-bnf.co= m > > or a-bnf.org ? > > > > Or perhaps the IETF could be persuaded to lend you abnf.ietf.org since > > the IETF is by far the main place that cares about ABNF. > > It'd sure be nice if we had a standard way to extract ABNF (and other > things) from RFCs and have idnits check them for correctness on > upload. > > The NFS RFCs, for example, encode XDR in the text of the RFC such that > a trivial Unix command-line can extract the XDR. I think we should > encourage this approach for all syntax that is possible to validate. > > There's enough opensource that the IETF tools team could easily > provide validators for ABNF, ASN.1, XDR, XML Schema, JSON Schema, and > so on. Of course, putting that together will be a PITA. But it'd > sure be nice! > > Nico > -- > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > --0015175cd3b43858a104ba101465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable augmented.backus-naur.org<= br clear=3D"all">
Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Nico Wi= lliams <nico@= cryptonector.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:30 PM, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
>>abnf.* are taken. =C2=A0My current thought is abacknaur.org but better choices are
>>welcome.
>
> How about abnf.biz o= r, since you live in the US, a= bnf.us ? =C2=A0Or a-bnf.= com
> or a-bnf.org ?
>
> Or perhaps the IETF could be persuaded to lend you abnf.ietf.org since
> the IETF is by far the main place that cares about ABNF.

It'd sure be nice if we had a standard way to extract ABNF (and o= ther
things) from RFCs and have idnits check them for correctness on
upload.

The NFS RFCs, for example, encode XDR in the text of the RFC such that
a trivial Unix command-line can extract the XDR. =C2=A0I think we should encourage this approach for all syntax that is possible to validate.

There's enough opensource that the IETF tools team could easily
provide validators for ABNF, ASN.1, XDR, XML Schema, JSON Schema, and
so on. =C2=A0Of course, putting that together will be a PITA. =C2=A0But it&= #39;d
sure be nice!

Nico
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--0015175cd3b43858a104ba101465-- From duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp Tue Feb 28 18:03:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603CA21F8797 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:03:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.755 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.755 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.965, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ku07qL7xB1gr for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.253.33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16B121F8796 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:03:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from scmse01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.253.231]) by scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id q1T23ns4013021 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:03:49 +0900 Received: from (unknown [133.2.206.133]) by scmse01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 5403_3f04_9f24242c_6279_11e1_a9e7_001d096c566a; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:03:49 +0900 Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([133.2.210.1]:51578) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:03:54 +0900 Message-ID: <4F4D8782.1030800@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:03:46 +0900 From: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eliot Lear References: <4F4D385B.3010109@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4F4D385B.3010109@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] postcode city order X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:03:56 -0000 On 2012/02/29 5:26, Eliot Lear wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Outside of the United States it is often (though certainly not > universally) true that postcodes are expected to come before cities. > For instance, my work address would be as follows: > > Richtistrasse 7 > CH-8620 Wallisellen > Switzerland Interesting. Didn't know you are in Switzerland, and pretty close to where I grew up. > It would be nice if there were a simple way to indicate postcode order. > Perhaps as a parameter to address, such as the following: > >
> > With of course the appropriate default being "afterregion". > > What do others think? I'd probably just throw "CH-8620 Wallisellen" into the field and leave the code field blank. Of course, in the long term, it should be fixed. The best idea I think would be to take the input order and use it for output order. Regards, Martin. From aaron@serendipity.cx Tue Feb 28 18:08:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E8E21E80A5 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:08:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.386 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.386 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.902, BAYES_20=-0.74, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fPDx5TGFPbBy for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from slice.serendipity.cx (slice.serendipity.cx [67.23.2.90]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6131F21E80A3 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:08:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com (mail-vw0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by slice.serendipity.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4728A11005C for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:07:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10so2918965vbb.31 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:08:36 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of aaron@serendipity.cx designates 10.52.93.74 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.93.74; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of aaron@serendipity.cx designates 10.52.93.74 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=aaron@serendipity.cx Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.93.74]) by 10.52.93.74 with SMTP id cs10mr15742502vdb.42.1330481316347 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:08:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.93.74 with SMTP id cs10mr13007430vdb.42.1330481316294; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:08:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.71.5 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:08:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F4D8782.1030800@it.aoyama.ac.jp> References: <4F4D385B.3010109@cisco.com> <4F4D8782.1030800@it.aoyama.ac.jp> From: Aaron Stone Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:08:16 -0800 Message-ID: To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martin_J=2E_D=FCrst?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] postcode city order X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:08:40 -0000 On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 6:03 PM, "Martin J. D=FCrst" wrote: > On 2012/02/29 5:26, Eliot Lear wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> Outside of the United States it is often (though certainly not >> universally) true that postcodes are expected to come before cities. >> For instance, my work address would be as follows: >> >> Richtistrasse 7 >> CH-8620 Wallisellen >> Switzerland > > > Interesting. Didn't know you are in Switzerland, and pretty close to wher= e I > grew up. > > >> It would be nice if there were a simple way to indicate postcode order. >> Perhaps as a parameter to address, such as the following: >> >>
>> >> With of course the appropriate default being "afterregion". >> >> What do others think? > > > I'd probably just throw "CH-8620 Wallisellen" into the field and > leave the code field blank. Of course, in the long term, it should be fix= ed. > The best idea I think would be to take the input order and use it for out= put > order. Oh, that's clever. I forgot that XML can preserve order like that! That seems like a great way to handle it, and probably not that confusing for someone whose data is suddenly out of customary order, once they notice it's simply in source XML order. Aaron From duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp Tue Feb 28 18:52:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B226C21E8021 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:52:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.348 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.348 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.158, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9M7jGpMiW1mW for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:52:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.253.33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE3B21E8037 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 18:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from scmse01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.253.231]) by scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id q1T2pw11013765 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:51:58 +0900 Received: from (unknown [133.2.206.133]) by scmse01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 5406_62a5_59084a3e_6280_11e1_807d_001d096c566a; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:51:57 +0900 Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([133.2.210.1]:59682) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:52:02 +0900 Message-ID: <4F4D92CB.9060504@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:51:55 +0900 From: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aaron Stone References: <4F4D385B.3010109@cisco.com> <4F4D8782.1030800@it.aoyama.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] postcode city order X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:52:00 -0000 On 2012/02/29 11:08, Aaron Stone wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 6:03 PM, "Martin J. Dürst" >> I'd probably just throw "CH-8620 Wallisellen" into the field and >> leave the code field blank. Of course, in the long term, it should be fixed. >> The best idea I think would be to take the input order and use it for output >> order. > > Oh, that's clever. I forgot that XML can preserve order like that! > That seems like a great way to handle it, and probably not that > confusing for someone whose data is suddenly out of customary order, > once they notice it's simply in source XML order. Don't forget that XML was designed as a document format. It would be a bad thing if thesections, and paragraphs in a book would just appear in random order. From lear@cisco.com Tue Feb 28 22:01:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D3721F885F for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:01:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.39 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.39 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.091, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id znzOkpN42jDx for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:01:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5952321F861C for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:01:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=lear@cisco.com; l=332; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1330495312; x=1331704912; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZXADyr0ZUo/srqN8k4w9xKIcL22X8pzkYg2UI27HHhA=; b=DyEbkVumrOVCuQuDat4btpnFKaS21pbd6/h+N2xtLetd3/IsEqlFSFZb Nh/d8Fw/yHRSU5q8Q/COHSmWMePbXTe8pxp8dXYS2f2fiGpdbMb6G+WKx Fzqin2t92tTcKXifAe9widfoVCSoGXyhqqUhp6Ho/EfXLdfLpVTJtq/9P I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAFAD2+TU+Q/khR/2dsb2JhbABDDoUZrjGBB4F3AQEBBBIBEA8BRQEQCxgCAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRQYNAQcBAR6HZpoYAYxlkiGBL4tQMAsGBAcDAQQDBQkNCQEKAwECAQICiBKBFgSVP5I5OA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,501,1325462400"; d="scan'208";a="130891052" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.72.81]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Feb 2012 06:01:51 +0000 Received: from elear-mac.local (dhcp-10-55-89-154.cisco.com [10.55.89.154]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q1T61o2x027522; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:01:51 GMT Message-ID: <4F4DBF4F.7050500@cisco.com> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:01:51 +0100 From: Eliot Lear User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= References: <4F4D385B.3010109@cisco.com> <4F4D8782.1030800@it.aoyama.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: <4F4D8782.1030800@it.aoyama.ac.jp> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] postcode city order X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:01:59 -0000 On 2/29/12 3:03 AM, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote: > > I'd probably just throw "CH-8620 Wallisellen" into the field > and leave the code field blank. Of course, in the long term, it should > be fixed. The best idea I think would be to take the input order and > use it for output order. > I like your idea! Eliot From julian.reschke@gmx.de Tue Feb 28 23:22:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A75821F88C0 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:22:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.689, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2MqompVpDyaD for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:22:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3107D21F886F for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:22:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Feb 2012 07:22:28 -0000 Received: from p3EE2676A.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [62.226.103.106] by mail.gmx.net (mp032) with SMTP; 29 Feb 2012 08:22:28 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/LimAmo/bLgl2yHBQ4uE18s+xRf3Sg3ZVfTNhEhu lIZvgPg2cGFt5t Message-ID: <4F4DD230.2090606@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:22:24 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nico Williams References: <4F4CF4D7.30808@dcrocker.net> <20120228233018.8905.qmail@joyce.lan> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: John Levine , xml2rfc@ietf.org, dcrocker@bbiw.net Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] abacknaur.org ? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:22:31 -0000 On 2012-02-29 02:09, Nico Williams wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:30 PM, John Levine wrote: >>> abnf.* are taken. My current thought is abacknaur.org but better choices are >>> welcome. >> >> How about abnf.biz or, since you live in the US, abnf.us ? Or a-bnf.com >> or a-bnf.org ? >> >> Or perhaps the IETF could be persuaded to lend you abnf.ietf.org since >> the IETF is by far the main place that cares about ABNF. > > It'd sure be nice if we had a standard way to extract ABNF (and other > things) from RFCs and have idnits check them for correctness on > upload. http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2629xslt/rfc2629xslt.html#extract-artwork > The NFS RFCs, for example, encode XDR in the text of the RFC such that > a trivial Unix command-line can extract the XDR. I think we should > encourage this approach for all syntax that is possible to validate. See above; put it into artwork and have a well-known type attribute. > ... Best regards, Julian From julian.reschke@gmx.de Tue Feb 28 23:25:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC8E21E8068 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:25:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.122 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.122 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.823, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iLEYOjrZsh06 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:25:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A7FD221E8057 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2012 23:25:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 29 Feb 2012 07:25:08 -0000 Received: from p3EE2676A.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [62.226.103.106] by mail.gmx.net (mp035) with SMTP; 29 Feb 2012 08:25:08 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19hDXdlw+dh0UsTDqYfe1dUpb54EwrzSSX8vJwqVa 2Ob6v1PGU0061Q Message-ID: <4F4DD2CF.2020905@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:25:03 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_J=2E_D=FCrst=22?= References: <4F4D385B.3010109@cisco.com> <4F4D8782.1030800@it.aoyama.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: <4F4D8782.1030800@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] postcode city order X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:25:11 -0000 On 2012-02-29 03:03, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote: > ... > I'd probably just throw "CH-8620 Wallisellen" into the field and > leave the code field blank. Of course, in the long term, it should be Please. No. > fixed. The best idea I think would be to take the input order and use it > for output order. Yes. The main issue I see is that the rewrite of xml2rfc has made the maintenance problem worse. It's unclear to me what the state is (finished? what about the open bugs? why isn't the RFC production center not using it?), and who's supposed to make future changes to the DTD. Best regards, Julian From lars@netapp.com Wed Feb 29 00:34:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D565721F86E3 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:34:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.38 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.38 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.219, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NBBT-no6pBuo for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx2.netapp.com (mx2.netapp.com [216.240.18.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318E521F86D7 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:34:04 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,501,1325491200"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="629399473" Received: from smtp2.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.159.114]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 29 Feb 2012 00:34:03 -0800 Received: from vmwexceht01-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.239]) by smtp2.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id q1T8Y3YA010918; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from SACEXCMBX04-PRD.hq.netapp.com ([169.254.6.92]) by vmwexceht01-prd.hq.netapp.com ([10.106.76.239]) with mapi id 14.02.0247.003; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 00:34:03 -0800 From: "Eggert, Lars" To: Nico Williams Thread-Topic: [xml2rfc] abacknaur.org ? Thread-Index: AQHM9i7n7v/twJp4qEOXKxWEG0KMQZZTe5oAgAAbzoCAAHwcgA== Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:34:01 +0000 Message-ID: <9E3F3BE2-966C-448F-BD72-01B060473B39@netapp.com> References: <4F4CF4D7.30808@dcrocker.net> <20120228233018.8905.qmail@joyce.lan> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.106.53.51] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E5B2E479-9F98-42F0-9438-D89E8A47AEF7"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: John Levine , "" , "" Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] abacknaur.org ? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:34:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_E5B2E479-9F98-42F0-9438-D89E8A47AEF7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:09, Nico Williams wrote: > It'd sure be nice if we had a standard way to extract ABNF (and other > things) from RFCs and have idnits check them for correctness on > upload. it's far from a "standard way", but by idreview script = (http://eggert.org/software/idreview) has some code for this, using Bill = Fenner's bap/aex (http://code.google.com/p/bap/). Search for "abnf" in = the script. (No guarantees - I haven't really used the script since I stepped down = from the IESG.) 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[133.2.253.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8117D21F8665 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 02:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from scmse02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.253.231]) by scintmta02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id q1TAVJpJ011633 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:31:19 +0900 Received: from (unknown [133.2.206.133]) by scmse02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 55c5_ec0f_84c49c3c_62c0_11e1_a4f9_001d096c5782; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:31:19 +0900 Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([133.2.210.1]:55348) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:31:23 +0900 Message-ID: <4F4DFE73.5040801@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 19:31:15 +0900 From: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4F4D385B.3010109@cisco.com> <4F4D8782.1030800@it.aoyama.ac.jp> <4F4DD2CF.2020905@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4F4DD2CF.2020905@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] postcode city order X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:31:21 -0000 On 2012/02/29 16:25, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2012-02-29 03:03, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote: >> ... >> I'd probably just throw "CH-8620 Wallisellen" into the field and >> leave the code field blank. Of course, in the long term, it should be > > Please. No. Sorry, I was proposing this only as a bandaid, assuming that Eliot is working on getting out a draft this week or next. Regards, Martin. >> fixed. The best idea I think would be to take the input order and use it >> for output order. > > Yes. > > The main issue I see is that the rewrite of xml2rfc has made the > maintenance problem worse. It's unclear to me what the state is > (finished? what about the open bugs? why isn't the RFC production center > not using it?), and who's supposed to make future changes to the DTD. > > Best regards, Julian > From dhc2@dcrocker.net Wed Feb 29 06:40:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1541D21F865D for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:40:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.274 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.274 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MeMP9Pe2mOg4 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:40:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF6921F865A for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:40:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-67-127-58-62.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.127.58.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q1TEe9QJ009555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:40:14 -0800 Message-ID: <4F4E38C8.8050203@dcrocker.net> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:40:08 -0800 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <20120228233018.8905.qmail@joyce.lan> In-Reply-To: <20120228233018.8905.qmail@joyce.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:40:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] abacknaur.org ? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 14:40:16 -0000 On 2/28/2012 3:30 PM, John Levine wrote: >> abnf.* are taken. My current thought is abacknaur.org but better choices are >> welcome. > > How about abnf.biz or, since you live in the US, abnf.us ? Or a-bnf.com > or a-bnf.org ? > > Or perhaps the IETF could be persuaded to lend you abnf.ietf.org since > the IETF is by far the main place that cares about ABNF. Work in the IETF is a segment of a technology's lifecycle. ABNF exists independent of the IETF, even if the IETF is the only place that uses it -- and I've no idea whether it is. So I automatically think it's best to follow the usual model of having a 'home' for the technology that is independent. If folks think otherwise, please speak up. For example, abnf.ietf.org would probably be a less hassle than an independent site. Since the site would need ongoing administration, less hassle is appealing. But the basic question is whether this is worth the effort? As for the name, a-bnf.org is in the direction I want when thinking about this more, but I'm concerned that the hyphen is too subtle. augmentedbnf.org and augmented-bnf.org appear to both be available. Thoughts? d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From tony.li@tony.li Wed Feb 29 08:31:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A60F21F8709 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:31:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.279 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.279 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.320, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7hzQuTtOhDdf for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1E221F86D5 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:31:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fsXL1i0051afHeLACsXQY4; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:31:24 +0000 Received: from sjc-vpn6-325.cisco.com ([128.107.239.233]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fsXD1i01652qHCY8dsXGcl; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:31:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Tony Li In-Reply-To: <4F4E38C8.8050203@dcrocker.net> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:31:13 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2E430F10-FCE7-4E22-A45E-EB92939A2BB2@tony.li> References: <20120228233018.8905.qmail@joyce.lan> <4F4E38C8.8050203@dcrocker.net> To: dcrocker@bbiw.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] abacknaur.org ? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:31:25 -0000 On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:40 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: > Thoughts? CNAMEs are cheap. All of the above. Tony From fernando.gont.netbook.win@gmail.com Wed Feb 29 09:18:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FC821F868A for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:18:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.044, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e+kI4aYP+M6L for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F048D21F8684 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by yhpp34 with SMTP id p34so1806128yhp.31 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of fernando.gont.netbook.win@gmail.com designates 10.236.135.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.236.135.45; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of fernando.gont.netbook.win@gmail.com designates 10.236.135.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=fernando.gont.netbook.win@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=fernando.gont.netbook.win@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.236.135.45]) by 10.236.135.45 with SMTP id t33mr1709616yhi.84.1330535926698 (num_hops = 1); Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:18:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PJFLv46EQjtxvFTuMVCTJv3Y1oG/frCU73Cjopa+jLg=; b=ROtIrJl7eF0vas20SqI7JqF+VJ58fQ3+nS1RhPVGg2+xANPn2Ry5CzTMy9U9SaYSBA +jeC4FS5ejmUZ+Rg/fwgaD32pSQc/IgfhSSz2LQHbBeWyimwrhpjdfFwA/T3jq1EC0al VJjMqPKqJ3vROLLrTaLu0SRAa2Dn+vzxoraCg= Received: by 10.236.135.45 with SMTP id t33mr1352585yhi.84.1330535926638; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:18:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.200.179] ([200.68.71.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j22sm35437656ann.0.2012.02.29.09.18.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:18:45 -0800 (PST) Sender: Fernando Gont Message-ID: <4F4E1026.2060803@gont.com.ar> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 08:46:46 -0300 From: Fernando Gont User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.27) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/3.1.19 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xml2rfc] Fwd: Bad RFC 1108 expansion? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 17:18:48 -0000 Hi, folks, This one still seems to remain un-fixed. Any chance to fix it? Thanks! Best regards, Fernando -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Bad RFC 1108 expansion? Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 03:43:58 -0300 From: Fernando Gont To: xml2rfc@xml.resource.org Folks, incorrectly expands to: > [RFC1108] Kent, S., "U.S", RFC 1108, November 1991. Could anybody please fix this one? Thanks! (for this, and for maintaining the tool!) Kind regards, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@acm.org PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1