From hazelton@doit.wisc.edu Sat Apr 7 10:30:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9BB21F84F7 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 10:30:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4wWfuYiQWnj9 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 10:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adsum.doit.wisc.edu (adsum.doit.wisc.edu [144.92.197.210]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675EB21F84F0 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 10:30:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UmEIJPjOxxBC9f123iYASw)" Received: from avs-daemon.smtpauth1.wiscmail.wisc.edu by smtpauth1.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.05 32bit (built Jul 30 2009)) id <0M2400700DY4HT00@smtpauth1.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for xml2rfc@ietf.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 12:30:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from static-211-243.vpn.wisc.edu (static-211-243.vpn.wisc.edu [146.151.211.243]) by smtpauth1.wiscmail.wisc.edu (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.05 32bit (built Jul 30 2009)) with ESMTPSA id <0M24004JPDY3JL00@smtpauth1.wiscmail.wisc.edu> for xml2rfc@ietf.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 12:30:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 12:30:02 -0500 From: Keith Hazelton To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Message-id: <74DFD476-E9B6-4D5C-AA9C-2F285B20F78B@doit.wisc.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Spam-PmxInfo: Server=avs-13, Version=5.6.1.2065439, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2012.4.7.171818, SenderIP=146.151.211.243 Subject: [xml2rfc] How do I get a local xml2rfc install to find my local copy of the citation library? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:30:06 -0000 --Boundary_(ID_UmEIJPjOxxBC9f123iYASw) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I'm running xml2rfc locally on a Mac OS 10.6 host and I have downloaded the RFC citation library. The citations are now in a folder, bibxml, in the same directory as my source .xml file AND another copy of bibxml is in the same directory as the xml2rfc executable. When I run xml2rfc with an xml input file that contains the following: The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. I get 'unable to find external file "reference.RFC.2119.xml" or "reference.RFC.2119.xml.xml"' How do I let xml2rfc know where the citation file is to be found? P.S. This source file converts properly and without error using the online xml2rfc service. Thanks in advance for your help, --Keith --Boundary_(ID_UmEIJPjOxxBC9f123iYASw) Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I'm running xml2rfc locally on a Mac OS 10.6 = host and I have downloaded the RFC citation library.  The citations = are now in a folder, bibxml, in the same directory as my source .xml = file AND another copy of bibxml is in the same directory as the xml2rfc = executable. 

When I run xml2rfc = with an xml input file that contains the following:

    <note title=3D"Requirements = Language">
      <t>The key words = "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
  =     "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and = "OPTIONAL" in this
      document are to be = interpreted as described in <xref
      = target=3D"RFC2119">RFC 2119</xref>.</t>
  =   </note>

I get 'unable to find = external file "reference.RFC.2119.xml" or = "reference.RFC.2119.xml.xml"'

How do I let = xml2rfc know where the citation file is to be found? =  

P.S. This source file converts properly = and without error using the online xml2rfc = service.

       Thanks in = advance for your help,  --Keith 
= --Boundary_(ID_UmEIJPjOxxBC9f123iYASw)-- From miekg@atoom.net Sat Apr 7 10:59:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C8C21F854B for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 10:59:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B6fv8b8dvx22 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 10:59:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elektron.atoom.net (cl-201.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:7b8:2ff:c8::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED92321F8548 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 10:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by elektron.atoom.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 377523FF08; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 19:59:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 19:59:05 +0200 From: Miek Gieben To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Message-ID: <20120407175905.GA26446@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <74DFD476-E9B6-4D5C-AA9C-2F285B20F78B@doit.wisc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <74DFD476-E9B6-4D5C-AA9C-2F285B20F78B@doit.wisc.edu> User-Agent: Vim/Mutt/Linux X-Home: http://www.miek.nl Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] How do I get a local xml2rfc install to find my local copy of the citation library? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:59:09 -0000 --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [ Quoting in "[xml2rfc] How do I get a local xml2.= =2E." ] > > The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NO= T", > "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this > document are to be interpreted as described in target=3D"RFC2119">RFC 2119. > >=20 > I get 'unable to find external file "reference.RFC.2119.xml" or > "reference.RFC.2119.xml.xml"' >=20 > How do I let xml2rfc know where the citation file is to be found? =20 You have to actually include the XML from the reference in your file: Where the argument after the include=3D is a path name. > P.S. This source file converts properly and without error using the online > xml2rfc service. prolly using some smart auto-include stuff (I don't know the specifics). Regards, --=20 Miek Gieben --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk+AgGkACgkQJYuFzziA0PZyKACgk0wy7X7IWBKwlfWYIkEv10ur cLgAn1Ok6WTCyRH5hwu3XZBXY2QjY69s =ZfyN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k1lZvvs/B4yU6o8G-- From khazelton@gmail.com Sat Apr 7 10:13:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A90821F84A2 for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 10:13:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1LHgcgjRKxZF for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 10:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f44.google.com (mail-vb0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57F521F849D for ; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 10:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vbbez10 with SMTP id ez10so1939668vbb.31 for ; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 10:13:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=+FXxN/urrY5nAeu+wVRDC58txxCJDFX5e1a6qkIf3iQ=; b=Kz8cmNmsbY/Y2EGmbskGeTxvd3z2Td+mPANue/Q8vT2KMQd+u+Mq9tegf0n5Viu8sB Heb6l87gsIJgklWpgOI2Pvqk9zqQpPm9+04uG/fMTqadttmnE1flULAcw7f609e+5zNg Pc1PNZXkCzyfYxGacV95mBYfphqsPOtEa2tvLwfMyUDpxVtO5Nwl1NDW5WCN2cgCdAxh BuVlCDsRx3HBlWBmluooRQfk2p6GzEB03/asRG4p6Uq8v0F1q0KUNGoGk/3fLOd1u9mm Q5VAs5SivRwaOWWLGkzdmimHmkg8tU5MOZgEMnK4xAta3og5MIDRUGyNoIDzulmw0Lr5 NE1g== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.91.16 with SMTP id ca16mr724338vdb.125.1333818821386; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 10:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.177.66 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Apr 2012 10:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 12:13:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: Keith Hazelton To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307f3be20b235b04bd19e51d X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 11:05:25 -0700 Cc: Leif Johansson Subject: [xml2rfc] How do I get a local xml2rfc install to find my local copy of the citation library? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 17:22:30 -0000 --20cf307f3be20b235b04bd19e51d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'm running xml2rfc locally on a Mac OS 10.6 host and I have downloaded the RFC citation library. The citations are now in a folder, bibxml, in the same directory as my source .xml file AND another copy of bibxml is in the same directory as the xml2rfc executable. When I run xml2rfc with an xml input file that contains the following: The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. I get 'unable to find external file "reference.RFC.2119.xml" or "reference.RFC.2119.xml.xml"' How do I let xml2rfc know where the citation file is to be found? P.S. This source file converts properly and without error using the online xml2rfc service. Thanks in advance for your help, --Keith _______________________ Keith Hazelton (khazelton@gmail.com) UW-Madison; Internet2 MACE --20cf307f3be20b235b04bd19e51d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm running xml2rfc locally on a Mac OS 10.6 host and I have downloaded= the RFC citation library. =C2=A0The citations are now in a folder, bibxml,= in the same directory as my source .xml file AND another copy of bibxml is= in the same directory as the xml2rfc executable.=C2=A0

When I run xml2rfc with an xml input file that contains the = following:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <note title=3D&qu= ot;Requirements Language">
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <t>= The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED",= "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "= ;RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this
=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 document are to be interpreted as described in &l= t;xref
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 target=3D"RFC2119">RFC 2= 119</xref>.</t>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 </note>

I get 'unable= to find external file "reference.RFC.2119.xml" or "referenc= e.RFC.2119.xml.xml"'

How do I let xml2rfc= know where the citation file is to be found? =C2=A0

P.S. This source file converts properly and without err= or using the online xml2rfc service.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks in advance for your help, =C2=A0--Keith=C2=A0
___= ____________________
Keith Hazelton (khazelton@gmail.com)
UW-Madison; Internet2 MACE
--20cf307f3be20b235b04bd19e51d-- From harald@alvestrand.no Thu Apr 12 00:31:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45A121F852E for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:31:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 298twbibCq83 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no (eikenes.alvestrand.no [158.38.152.233]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA5D21F8534 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDDF739E178; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:31:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at eikenes.alvestrand.no Received: from eikenes.alvestrand.no ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (eikenes.alvestrand.no [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GAPr1YDBu-Dk; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:31:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hta-dell.lul.corp.google.com (62-20-124-50.customer.telia.com [62.20.124.50]) by eikenes.alvestrand.no (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C05639E082; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:31:21 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4F8684C9.9090208@alvestrand.no> Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:31:21 +0200 From: Harald Alvestrand User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120313 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Hazelton References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Leif Johansson Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] How do I get a local xml2rfc install to find my local copy of the citation library? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:31:23 -0000 On 04/07/2012 07:13 PM, Keith Hazelton wrote: > I'm running xml2rfc locally on a Mac OS 10.6 host and I have > downloaded the RFC citation library. The citations are now in a > folder, bibxml, in the same directory as my source .xml file AND > another copy of bibxml is in the same directory as the xml2rfc > executable. > > When I run xml2rfc with an xml input file that contains the following: > > > The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", > "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this > document are to be interpreted as described in target="RFC2119">RFC 2119. > > > I get 'unable to find external file "reference.RFC.2119.xml" or > "reference.RFC.2119.xml.xml"' > > How do I let xml2rfc know where the citation file is to be found? I use the following Makefile fragment: xml2rfc=/home/hta/xml2rfc-1.36/xml2rfc.tcl %.txt: %.xml export XML_LIBRARY=references; unset DISPLAY; $(xml2rfc) $< %.html: %.xml export XML_LIBRARY=references; unset DISPLAY; $(xml2rfc) $< $@ The "XML_LIBRARY" envariable is the one that points out where my references live. From julian.reschke@gmx.de Sat Apr 14 04:27:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7695621F84B5 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:27:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.757 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.757 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.758, BAYES_50=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uKbI0F0T4rHd for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7AA821F84C9 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:27:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3EBRJgr063477 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 04:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Apr 2012 11:27:13 -0000 Received: from p57A6DDA5.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [87.166.221.165] by mail.gmx.net (mp016) with SMTP; 14 Apr 2012 13:27:13 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19BmKQJ5NpBsOVQ9nK/ZlCHPkOXHwHhM/oHuPqicL XPXbkIggyOez9s Message-ID: <4F895F00.7090601@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 13:26:56 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: [xml2rfc] rfc2629.xslt vs XSLT2 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 11:27:23 -0000 Hi there, I just updated rfc2629.xslt () to use XSLT2, when available. With these changes, the code should continue to run in old XSLT1 processors (such as found in browsers), but also in XSLT2 implementations that do not have the exslt:node-set extension function anymore (such as Saxon 9.4 HE). The change shouldn't cause any problems, but I haven't automated the testing of the in-browsers XSLT implementations, so it would be nice if "early adopters" help me watch for potential regressions... Best regards, Julian From lear@cisco.com Thu Apr 19 05:24:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A222B21F846D for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:24:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.543 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.543 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-5.965, BAYES_20=-0.74, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id of5TVVKGjqT2 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (unknown [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F3721F8444 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:24:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3JCNZWB030657 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:23:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lear@cisco.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=lear@cisco.com; l=875; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1334838217; x=1336047817; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject: content-transfer-encoding; bh=nQq3kPO6gLInJGusIxH/OR9+o1S1Pdvr3rh4Jbi4OIY=; b=aUa71Leo7q4s33UuwVEFFVz+lIi+wSn3gIykDqRDEYpZpXQ0GCGh0j9x Xh+PwqfQ/TFA8k5u4X9MQgegDDUTZ6wYrR4elNMFOgSwC51YgBd+VQjxO njMApAj9142m4NoB+cDT/thaQ70M+PDXNBOOpF4tRbXeqBI4jdgD1sFbL 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAAsDkE+Q/khM/2dsb2JhbABDhWWrXIEHgiIBEFU2AgUWCwILAwIBAgFYCAEBHodtmQGBKI0QkymBL4tpgg2BGASVb45SgWmCaQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,446,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="135648976" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Apr 2012 12:23:29 +0000 Received: from ams3-vpn-dhcp4988.cisco.com (ams3-vpn-dhcp4988.cisco.com [10.61.83.123]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q3JCNSKS001572 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:23:28 GMT Message-ID: <4F9003CB.2080508@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:23:39 +0200 From: Eliot Lear User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@lists.xml.resource.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xml2rfc] change in preferred way to reference ITU-T Recommendations X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:24:05 -0000 Hi everyone, I have learned that the ITU-T has made a change in the way it prefers its Recommendations to be displayed. Was: ITU-T Recommendation XXX Now: Recommendation ITU-T XXX Let me demonstrate Old/New: OLD: > [ITU.X509.2000] > International Telecommunications Union, "Information > technology - Open Systems Interconnection - The Directory: > Public-key and attribute certificate frameworks", ITU-T > Recommendation X.509, March 2000. NEW: [ITU.X509.2000] International Telecommunications Union, "Information technology - Open Systems Interconnection - The Directory: Public-key and attribute certificate frameworks", Recommendation ITU-T X.509, March 2000. What's the best way to effect this sort of change? Eliot From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Thu Apr 19 10:46:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFD221F86C4 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:46:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.548 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.548 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.970, BAYES_20=-0.74, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZvlNxPJiHUGk for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (unknown [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFED21F845E for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (Hoffman.Proper.COM [207.182.41.81]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3JHjT1q034921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:45:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Received: from [10.20.30.103] (50-0-66-4.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.0.66.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q3JHjMmP091699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:45:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <4F9003CB.2080508@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:45:22 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2B415007-8F87-4F4F-8024-D3FC36048FC0@vpnc.org> References: <4F9003CB.2080508@cisco.com> To: Eliot Lear X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: xml2rfc@lists.xml.resource.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] change in preferred way to reference ITU-T Recommendations X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:46:01 -0000 On Apr 19, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: > Hi everyone, >=20 > I have learned that the ITU-T has made a change in the way it prefers > its Recommendations to be displayed. Was: ITU-T Recommendation XXX > Now: Recommendation ITU-T XXX >=20 > Let me demonstrate Old/New: >=20 > OLD: >=20 >> [ITU.X509.2000] >> International Telecommunications Union, "Information >> technology - Open Systems Interconnection - The = Directory: >> Public-key and attribute certificate frameworks", ITU-T >> Recommendation X.509, March 2000. > NEW: >=20 > [ITU.X509.2000] > International Telecommunications Union, "Information > technology - Open Systems Interconnection - The = Directory: > Public-key and attribute certificate frameworks", > Recommendation ITU-T X.509, March 2000. >=20 >=20 > What's the best way to effect this sort of change? Related: can we get a bibxml library for the commonly-references ones? I = just had to hand-code one for X.690, and it is not looking like the one = you have here. --Paul Hoffman From lear@cisco.com Thu Apr 19 11:16:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B9A21F8608 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:16:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.284 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.284 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-4.847, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZP9YhZFjo7Pn for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (unknown [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B579A21F8601 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com (ams-iport-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.140]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3JIFeEs035398 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:15:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lear@cisco.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=lear@cisco.com; l=1299; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1334859342; x=1336068942; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ds2so7BjuH5hClF0Nfy3h9YOZaZy+EcTMKzbcYmmK+4=; b=AaoH8lawuUEss1p1CwwvBpEIuwA2dOLCh+2GiAC51iujmDVU2mGHud7X g8IfnhMb1h7DAChoLspLqroj99y09IVHC3NuOKRJcGh2zwiO894cA7vfx 4/PLy8LnoNw2aqFO4SEQC6F91umTCQiajvs0mOHud/YPrFvY+OuehWmw9 E=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAFAI5VkE+Q/khR/2dsb2JhbABDhWarXoEHggkBAQEEEgEQVQEQCxgCAgUWCwICCQMCAQIBRQYNAQcBAR6HbZsKjRCTE4EvjiCBGASVb45SgWmCaQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,447,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="135691036" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.72.81]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Apr 2012 18:15:34 +0000 Received: from ams3-vpn-dhcp4371.cisco.com (ams3-vpn-dhcp4371.cisco.com [10.61.81.18]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q3JIFYmg002053; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:15:34 GMT Message-ID: <4F905646.2030608@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:15:34 +0200 From: Eliot Lear User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: <4F9003CB.2080508@cisco.com> <2B415007-8F87-4F4F-8024-D3FC36048FC0@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <2B415007-8F87-4F4F-8024-D3FC36048FC0@vpnc.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc@lists.xml.resource.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] change in preferred way to reference ITU-T Recommendations X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 18:16:09 -0000 Hmmm. Let me investigate if they have some sort of electronic bibliography.... Eliot On 4/19/12 7:45 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Apr 19, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I have learned that the ITU-T has made a change in the way it prefers >> its Recommendations to be displayed. Was: ITU-T Recommendation XXX >> Now: Recommendation ITU-T XXX >> >> Let me demonstrate Old/New: >> >> OLD: >> >>> [ITU.X509.2000] >>> International Telecommunications Union, "Information >>> technology - Open Systems Interconnection - The Directory: >>> Public-key and attribute certificate frameworks", ITU-T >>> Recommendation X.509, March 2000. >> NEW: >> >> [ITU.X509.2000] >> International Telecommunications Union, "Information >> technology - Open Systems Interconnection - The Directory: >> Public-key and attribute certificate frameworks", >> Recommendation ITU-T X.509, March 2000. >> >> >> What's the best way to effect this sort of change? > > Related: can we get a bibxml library for the commonly-references ones? I just had to hand-code one for X.690, and it is not looking like the one you have here. > > --Paul Hoffman > > From stpeter@stpeter.im Fri Apr 20 00:23:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541E521E8034 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:23:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.434 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.434 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.249, BAYES_40=-0.185, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ti3jz5uf+iIK for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E6D11E807F for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3JLAK3a037485 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:10:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stpeter@stpeter.im) Received: from [64.101.72.115] (unknown [64.101.72.115]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FD5840058 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:24:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4F907F35.9070207@stpeter.im> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 15:10:13 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@lists.xml.resource.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xml2rfc] sections before references in back matter X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:23:59 -0000 The RFC Document Style guide says: Many RFC documents have appendixes, which may be very extensive. In non-RFC documents, authors often position Appendixes at the very end, after the references. However, RFCs that have large and dense technical Appendix sections make it difficult for a reader to find references that precede the appendixes. In such cases, putting the references later may be advisable. Notwithstanding the final sentence there, xml2rfc enforces putting the references before any other section in the back matter. I assume that xml2rfc is simply enforcing the DTD from RFC 2629: However, the DTD seems to be wrong on this point. I have an I-D in process that will put some back-matter content sections before the references, so I suppose I'll need to ask the RFC Editor production team to fix the order after the document is approved by the IESG (assuming it is, of course!). Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ From julian.reschke@gmx.de Fri Apr 20 02:21:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AE721F8778 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 02:21:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.881 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.881 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.282, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DvQKYDmRKUoE for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 02:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16D821F8772 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 02:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q3K9HTEE047583 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 02:17:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 20 Apr 2012 09:17:23 -0000 Received: from p57A6D903.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [87.166.217.3] by mail.gmx.net (mp033) with SMTP; 20 Apr 2012 11:17:23 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/RYwIpHkzRVzSQkSnXlMwTYKSviJNs7cnqs9C7GM 4PITzvCk1My0LJ Message-ID: <4F91299E.9090307@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:17:18 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Saint-Andre References: <4F907F35.9070207@stpeter.im> In-Reply-To: <4F907F35.9070207@stpeter.im> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@lists.xml.resource.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] sections before references in back matter X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 09:21:47 -0000 On 2012-04-19 23:10, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > The RFC Document Style guide says: > > Many RFC documents have appendixes, which may be very extensive. > In non-RFC documents, authors often position Appendixes at the > very end, after the references. However, RFCs that have large and > dense technical Appendix sections make it difficult for a reader > to find references that precede the appendixes. In such cases, > putting the references later may be advisable. > > Notwithstanding the final sentence there, xml2rfc enforces putting the > references before any other section in the back matter. I assume that > xml2rfc is simply enforcing the DTD from RFC 2629: > > > > However, the DTD seems to be wrong on this point. > > I have an I-D in process that will put some back-matter content sections > before the references, so I suppose I'll need to ask the RFC Editor > production team to fix the order after the document is approved by the > IESG (assuming it is, of course!). If this is a common case, it needs to be fixed in the DTD and the implementations. That being said: one could argue that references can be found best when they always are in the same place. (Also when you can hyperlink to them :-) Best regards, Julian From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Fri Apr 20 10:39:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B6021F8628 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:39:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.529 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.529 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YvJWnNwPZAxH for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E302021F8625 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:39:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (Hoffman.Proper.COM [207.182.41.81]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3KHdXlO058555 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:39:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Received: from [10.20.30.103] (50-0-66-4.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.0.66.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.5/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q3KHdO9n046815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:39:25 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <4F91299E.9090307@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 10:39:24 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8AC050F9-C3A8-42AE-BE04-4EA371419EAE@vpnc.org> References: <4F907F35.9070207@stpeter.im> <4F91299E.9090307@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: xml2rfc@lists.xml.resource.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] sections before references in back matter X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 17:39:37 -0000 On Apr 20, 2012, at 2:17 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2012-04-19 23:10, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> The RFC Document Style guide says: >>=20 >> Many RFC documents have appendixes, which may be very = extensive. >> In non-RFC documents, authors often position Appendixes at the >> very end, after the references. However, RFCs that have large = and >> dense technical Appendix sections make it difficult for a = reader >> to find references that precede the appendixes. In such cases, >> putting the references later may be advisable. >>=20 >> Notwithstanding the final sentence there, xml2rfc enforces putting = the >> references before any other section in the back matter. I assume that >> xml2rfc is simply enforcing the DTD from RFC 2629: >>=20 >> >>=20 >> However, the DTD seems to be wrong on this point. >>=20 >> I have an I-D in process that will put some back-matter content = sections >> before the references, so I suppose I'll need to ask the RFC Editor >> production team to fix the order after the document is approved by = the >> IESG (assuming it is, of course!). >=20 > If this is a common case, it needs to be fixed in the DTD and the = implementations. I am the author of two documents that have gotten nailed by this, and we = had to put the long appendices after the references because of xml2rfc, = not because we wanted to. > That being said: one could argue that references can be found best = when they always are in the same place. (Also when you can hyperlink to = them :-) At this point, "the same place" is "before the appendixes which are = variable length". --Paul Hoffman From stpeter@stpeter.im Fri Apr 20 18:48:32 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027A611E8083 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:48:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RSfC-bV8bmKE for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D106D11E8073 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q3L1mNOE067247 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 18:48:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stpeter@stpeter.im) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (unknown [216.17.175.160]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7D01040058; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 20:02:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4F9211E3.6090107@stpeter.im> Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:48:19 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Hoffman References: <4F907F35.9070207@stpeter.im> <4F91299E.9090307@gmx.de> <8AC050F9-C3A8-42AE-BE04-4EA371419EAE@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <8AC050F9-C3A8-42AE-BE04-4EA371419EAE@vpnc.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Julian Reschke , xml2rfc@lists.xml.resource.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] sections before references in back matter X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 01:48:32 -0000 On 4/20/12 11:39 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Apr 20, 2012, at 2:17 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > >> On 2012-04-19 23:10, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>> The RFC Document Style guide says: >>> >>> Many RFC documents have appendixes, which may be very extensive. >>> In non-RFC documents, authors often position Appendixes at the >>> very end, after the references. However, RFCs that have large and >>> dense technical Appendix sections make it difficult for a reader >>> to find references that precede the appendixes. In such cases, >>> putting the references later may be advisable. >>> >>> Notwithstanding the final sentence there, xml2rfc enforces putting the >>> references before any other section in the back matter. I assume that >>> xml2rfc is simply enforcing the DTD from RFC 2629: >>> >>> >>> >>> However, the DTD seems to be wrong on this point. >>> >>> I have an I-D in process that will put some back-matter content sections >>> before the references, so I suppose I'll need to ask the RFC Editor >>> production team to fix the order after the document is approved by the >>> IESG (assuming it is, of course!). >> >> If this is a common case, it needs to be fixed in the DTD and the implementations. > > I am the author of two documents that have gotten nailed by this, and we had to put the long appendices after the references because of xml2rfc, not because we wanted to. Methinks I'll ask the RFC Editor team to move things around late in the process. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ From glenzorn@gmail.com Sun Apr 22 21:30:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DD321F84C3 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:30:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wSupYVKxPoKy for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA7121F849D for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iazz13 with SMTP id z13so19635336iaz.31 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:30:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AQ4teLDx4gYRhZ1f/+w2FE5JgrWwov8OUG9pKXNbnWw=; b=eJ+rTFtB0UvkgwEF4e7NV3gMwd4+bhCAHdU4oyJSjY8Tj/q3z4swa8vbWMcLdwkCzh U6FM868aLDoge72M1zoeisbORG75/+1/9589Ha8L8dzXPhJbfQQ1OlC+gnjxXfQyAnZ3 OBaho5GNI3+PuqOKAV/mtfgNhFRHViG6GDaahMy9rtd9aDCl1qj8lIW6ayi+1vGBoPyH Kw4EOloky1WBCJp66+8oWrl4zjvAx0uxIsGhdNv4Khl2uvzFkW7+As24bnsTsJUHHr+S PVpR77eTvtoApCtajRrlo7XP4NK+1i8kUmn/Kp60tm/glX5lyqjB5ZCCQnmKAKI8U2ha RyTw== Received: by 10.50.160.225 with SMTP id xn1mr5172270igb.3.1335155421808; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.98] (ppp-110-169-238-176.revip5.asianet.co.th. [110.169.238.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id en3sm22265333igc.2.2012.04.22.21.30.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F94DAD8.90203@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:30:16 +0700 From: Glen Zorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120318 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xml2rfc] periodspace keyword? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:30:23 -0000 I'm wondering if it would be possible to add a "periodspace" PI keyword so that XML like this Schulzrinne, et al. lists using multiple clock rates produces text like this Schulzrinne, et al. [RFC3550] lists using multiple clock rates rather than text like this Schulzrinne, et al. [RFC3550] lists using multiple clock rates (note extraneous space between "et al." and " [RFC3550]". Should be a straightforward clone of the colonspace keyword... From johnl@iecc.com Sun Apr 22 21:44:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B050C21E801F for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:44:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.149 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.149 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI=-4.3, RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED=-4.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9VfjRWw+XKXZ for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C970821E8015 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 64571 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2012 04:43:08 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 23 Apr 2012 04:43:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=4f94dddc.xn--i8sz2z.k1204; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=fsU8OXu0D+QBF61eTMIBtVJqu6wnuj+8V2hwIzXB10Y=; b=kvmHeRawJcK3w5E4AgySdcTtNZxQZURmI52n1kAD3l9N7MeJSkPnXfFzfuFaOpIS4fxfbCgGmg3cmre9zgMn3jCaUU+PZCC0RumVd6R5ukqceQyAHmAP8a1vNgIiJPN4/+CJUvSy42j0tSKrqNchUcbwglrX2q86MSDWLuzpYwk= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 23 Apr 2012 04:42:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20120423044246.51987.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: xml2rfc@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <4F94DAD8.90203@gmail.com> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] periodspace keyword? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:44:07 -0000 >rather than text like this > > Schulzrinne, et al. [RFC3550] lists using multiple clock rates It'd be better to fix it so it never double spaces after a period. Read all about it: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html R's, John From glenzorn@gmail.com Sun Apr 22 21:51:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A64D21F853F for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:51:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xy3309c5MEsc for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:51:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31DB21F8537 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iazz13 with SMTP id z13so19657350iaz.31 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:51:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+JhPRb3jWl0ma3mynMLx4NHcu3lIKWjbnc4wRTxdfyI=; b=rj3DQoc060OE7/8X0mDDBX9bnggSNIYsSsnWVc0sEtSQpHbzspoa5r1O1mokD2Nv4O EN4X3OGkD5Na7z5w+a8SJtgWVFUottQgf/n/Fua/nejPDWGXrkxcjk3khnRvLQY1IHoR jdg4tDnb+pyKCoVQfxPzgXcpfRSUr8Y/Mqm0Tm/ypNlQAtuKnD7e4RZi81pF3T5CxPuE +O70wJ7JD9S1m0tX+61VfHFDgZQGAwlK8SUUZKDbP4pISM4nl9tf42CJkKijkHyewMMv DTAXCxU5wBmKm3VgfpYVDC5h1dTuUIzh6c3rXDqqmc5dGZn306Es5EHA884BucxiOte7 36ew== Received: by 10.50.179.71 with SMTP id de7mr5189330igc.72.1335156703318; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.98] (ppp-110-169-238-176.revip5.asianet.co.th. [110.169.238.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n1sm9671917igm.7.2012.04.22.21.51.39 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 22 Apr 2012 21:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F94DFD9.5020502@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:51:37 +0700 From: Glen Zorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120318 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Levine References: <20120423044246.51987.qmail@joyce.lan> In-Reply-To: <20120423044246.51987.qmail@joyce.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] periodspace keyword? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:51:55 -0000 On 04/23/2012 11:42 AM, John Levine wrote: >> rather than text like this >> >> Schulzrinne, et al. [RFC3550] lists using multiple clock rates > It'd be better to fix it so it never double spaces after a period. > Read all about it: > > http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html From the article: The problem with typewriters was that they used monospaced type—that is, every character occupied an equal amount of horizontal space. This bucked a long tradition of proportional typesetting, in which skinny characters (like I or 1) were given less space than fat ones (like W or M). Monospaced type gives you text that looks "loose" and uneven; there's a lot of white space between characters and words, so it's more difficult to spot the spaces between sentences immediately. Hence the adoption of the two-space rule—on a typewriter, an extra space after a sentence makes text easier to read. Here's the thing, though: Monospaced fonts went out in the 1970s. First electric typewriters and then computers began to offer people ways to create text using proportional fonts. Today nearly every font on your PC is proportional. (Courier is the one major exception.) Because we've all switched to modern fonts, adding two spaces after a period no longer enhances readability, typographers say. It diminishes it. The text versions of I-Ds & RFCs are, I believe, published in a monospaced font so this argument does not seem really relevant for us at present. From nico@cryptonector.com Sun Apr 22 22:14:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A25B21F853B for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:14:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.951 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.951 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T81DoICAnf+3 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a74.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcaid.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.83]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4274021F8537 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:14:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a74.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a74.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE15A67C06B for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:14:14 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cryptonector.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc: content-type; q=dns; s=cryptonector.com; b=pwqlxCzOm4tbIsIgfZI7l ildC2LXo4FQyUTeQA05KN+pJVX9OoIFsodlGDygLOtUKo+NlQgrxjcHorzmE6zI/ qwSo9oVrMKYn2HothCf9p/bUcwNuzVADp7zk6zLR59dRrS7dWBbAnfTBphGSHYWB HsD1f60Dde71OopONJafrk= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type; s=cryptonector.com; bh=f5pVUDNJ4FnnGsX0RB83 1JefnPM=; b=tkiVB+gLkADdt1LPD8CGnoMqw++N3uE5QM3iqgvJnlCh35qLcwlL B2eQLhhzybcMNmyjei6bIPKfmB/Q7bIkPcNPBQCNfuj431i8LBMW3fuMhciFNTg7 OQzAsXVGm1xWLjy5fyXtkcClDT31rZNzMclPu5ZTLnlGmO5W7mjG7F0= Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a74.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B630E67C069 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pbbrp16 with SMTP id rp16so3406377pbb.31 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:14:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.191.35 with SMTP id gv3mr3020946pbc.160.1335158054322; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.28.6 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:14:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4F94DFD9.5020502@gmail.com> References: <20120423044246.51987.qmail@joyce.lan> <4F94DFD9.5020502@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:14:14 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Glen Zorn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: John Levine , xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] periodspace keyword? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 05:14:20 -0000 On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Glen Zorn wrote: > From the article: > > [...] > > The text versions of I-Ds & RFCs are, I believe, published in a monospaced > font so this argument does not seem really relevant for us at present. Indeed,I like the double space after sentence ending periods in fixed-width fonts. But I think this should be done by the author/editor, with double spaces reduced to single spaces when rendering HTML/PDF/... in non-fixed-width fonts. Then the OP's proposal would be moot, which would be a good thing too given that is a lot to type and obnoxious to read when all one wants is a single space following a period! Nico -- From rra@stanford.edu Sun Apr 22 22:57:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5AC321F8532 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:57:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UR5x15d51udJ for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (smtp3.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.83]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2208221F84D8 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id E292A444E04 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AB5D444DEC for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 687B02F4A8; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:57:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Russ Allbery To: xml2rfc@ietf.org In-Reply-To: (Nico Williams's message of "Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:14:14 -0500") Organization: The Eyrie References: <20120423044246.51987.qmail@joyce.lan> <4F94DFD9.5020502@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:57:17 -0700 Message-ID: <874nsbyoqp.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] periodspace keyword? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 05:57:23 -0000 Nico Williams writes: > Indeed, I like the double space after sentence ending periods in > fixed-width fonts. But I think this should be done by the > author/editor, with double spaces reduced to single spaces when > rendering HTML/PDF/... in non-fixed-width fonts. Then the OP's proposal > would be moot, Something still has to decide how many spaces to use after a period when the period was at the end of a line and the paragraph has been refilled so that it no longer is. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From julian.reschke@gmx.de Sun Apr 22 23:07:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30FC21F853E for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:07:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OTOQw0bUywwr for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2177B21F84FD for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:06:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2012 06:06:53 -0000 Received: from p5DD9641C.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [93.217.100.28] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 23 Apr 2012 08:06:53 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+zStF6QLGztqWwlLm3vNWw0ImXGC25Xz9tt2cdSW IrcdoNXKsGVVT0 Message-ID: <4F94F17C.3050204@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:06:52 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glen Zorn References: <4F94DAD8.90203@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F94DAD8.90203@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] periodspace keyword? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:07:02 -0000 On 2012-04-23 06:30, Glen Zorn wrote: > I'm wondering if it would be possible to add a "periodspace" PI keyword > so that XML like this > > Schulzrinne, et al. lists using multiple > clock rates > > produces text like this > > Schulzrinne, et al. [RFC3550] lists using multiple clock rates > > rather than text like this > > Schulzrinne, et al. [RFC3550] lists using multiple clock rates > > (note extraneous space between "et al." and " [RFC3550]". Should be a > straightforward clone of the colonspace keyword... ...another discussion we wouldn't have if we didn't insist on this funny format. As a workaround you may want to try " ". Best regards, Julian From glenzorn@gmail.com Mon Apr 23 06:52:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1626721F862B for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:52:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vkoEQG3VIQ1F for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9538A21F862A for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbwd20 with SMTP id wd20so13019849obb.31 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:52:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8wDi515NeL0U7+2uqhCF7PzJIff5zKvE45gWIW+4ffQ=; b=uXLVUtyQwE3r4TdV7Jip0JifEjEPxmRwnUYkpW/NdchOAkZTOdgMDdjF8VUojQJzfK h98zEj2M4DDjFobsGv6yNIMyDELAjcOo7kMIMzZvzHbH/XRRfB29HMCrjAxAi+U7UMpr w1PXn4vPXwjeBdag2nb0RxDnS2Lmzi0PvW8tBdg/ZWhfYF+CK7zrlB15WtoWKDtRx+Qu DQWArRPTVhwJanNUTmiFTHSOVz9YOiTZ2/wmLlD0aqzxPc1h6eh5uLF4xJmeqBoBehpN XuVClkkjGRcQuMeDvjYrESQbZo5sAoH3n0zIGXuGl8pZp9Jg8jMd9iHeN+k07F027fzF YRBw== Received: by 10.182.167.104 with SMTP id zn8mr20902740obb.62.1335189135151; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.98] (ppp-124-120-135-9.revip2.asianet.co.th. [124.120.135.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id es5sm16037068obc.11.2012.04.23.06.52.11 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F955E89.6040809@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:52:09 +0700 From: Glen Zorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120318 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4F94DAD8.90203@gmail.com> <4F94F17C.3050204@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4F94F17C.3050204@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] periodspace keyword? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:52:16 -0000 On 04/23/2012 01:06 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2012-04-23 06:30, Glen Zorn wrote: >> I'm wondering if it would be possible to add a "periodspace" PI keyword >> so that XML like this >> >> Schulzrinne, et al. lists using multiple >> clock rates >> >> produces text like this >> >> Schulzrinne, et al. [RFC3550] lists using multiple clock rates >> >> rather than text like this >> >> Schulzrinne, et al. [RFC3550] lists using multiple clock rates >> >> (note extraneous space between "et al." and " [RFC3550]". Should be a >> straightforward clone of the colonspace keyword... > > ...another discussion we wouldn't have if we didn't insist on this > funny format. > > As a workaround you may want to try " ". Yes, that works, but only like this Schulzrinne, et al.  I guess I'll live ;-). Thanks! > > Best regards, Julian From jabley@hopcount.ca Mon Apr 23 06:56:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 073B521F8587 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:56:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 61GYAIGRY+iB for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hopcount.ca (mail.hopcount.ca [IPv6:2001:4900:1:392::37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F3421F8555 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 06:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2001:4900:1042:100:3171:e39:7839:5196] by mail.hopcount.ca with esmtpa (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SMJkY-000CRk-66; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:56:23 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Joe Abley In-Reply-To: <4F955E89.6040809@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:56:16 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <4F94DAD8.90203@gmail.com> <4F94F17C.3050204@gmx.de> <4F955E89.6040809@gmail.com> To: Glen Zorn X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: Julian Reschke , xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] periodspace keyword? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:56:26 -0000 On 2012-04-23, at 09:52, Glen Zorn wrote: > Yes, that works, but only like this > > Schulzrinne, et al.  What about this: Schulzrinne, et al. Joe From bill@cse.concordia.ca Mon Apr 23 08:00:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7EA21F8582 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:00:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CqUOXQYfuHcm for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.96.94]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9072721F85A1 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (bill@poise.encs.concordia.ca [132.205.2.209]) by oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca (envelope-from bill@cse.concordia.ca) (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id q3NF0tZc021381 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:00:55 -0400 Message-ID: <4F956EAC.4090905@cse.concordia.ca> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:01:00 -0400 From: Bill Atwood Organization: Concordia University, Department of Computer Science and Software Engineering User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <4F94DAD8.90203@gmail.com> <4F94F17C.3050204@gmx.de> <4F955E89.6040809@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.58 on oldperseverance.encs.concordia.ca at 2012/04/23 11:00:55 EDT Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] periodspace keyword? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:00:58 -0000 LaTeX recognizes end-of-sentence for a variety of characters, period being one of them. It has an "escape" sequence for overriding this recognition---one writes ".\ " to ensure a single space (i.e., to defeat the end-of-sentence recognition, instead of ". " In the XML case, " " can serve the same purpose; if you don't like/want the double space after a period, you can override it, as Glen wrote. This is a general solution to the problem. In the case of a citation, I actually prefer Joe's solution---citations _should_ be tightly coupled to the previous word. Bill Atwood On 4/23/2012 9:56 AM, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 2012-04-23, at 09:52, Glen Zorn wrote: > >> Yes, that works, but only like this >> >> Schulzrinne, et al.  > > What about this: > > Schulzrinne, et al. > > > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc -- Dr. J.W. Atwood, Eng. tel: +1 (514) 848-2424 x3046 Distinguished Professor Emeritus fax: +1 (514) 848-2830 Department of Computer Science and Software Engineering Concordia University EV 3.185 email:bill@cse.concordia.ca 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd. West http://users.encs.concordia.ca/~bill Montreal, Quebec Canada H3G 1M8 From glenzorn@gmail.com Mon Apr 23 08:10:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E797621F85E3 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:10:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.528 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.528 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.071, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ay0cWfmymcLK for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f44.google.com (mail-yw0-f44.google.com [209.85.213.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F31321F85E1 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yhkk25 with SMTP id k25so7127148yhk.31 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:10:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LlWT4fKrXclgIz3ri3wE/LSInkkGxLEBbnr+Jyd/u4g=; b=BHAJSRfX0CZhMtMBTHq0ZEIKBm3rKJtvh9TqySQ72gicsPMyE+4GjMjpOsvOP/oure 1lQMxZNk2KQcatdW7x6X2MsVNk128LTzeq4/2Xs9ysmkvFJTsR+6TwlIWlT91BlSs+KC Lf6syLRZmzEFEp0HEn2cPe8lU7Ri0gyl7QWxxlEuCQK3E1vf07lsoFqraIhSbJ2zLvnq VkKjP6To/LYSlF8h7MZLVb5LDgrqbGSdpmgyCUOvaCCD2NBTeQc0wLuX9gy+wH7M6/sG 22eYF3vXeCc8TOlb46tRw8ALPauUgYqhYmzyz2Y3277Ch2wGtpJwXTiVbNCHFqF8fgfX Yl0w== Received: by 10.60.169.165 with SMTP id af5mr22860685oec.72.1335193813452; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.98] (ppp-124-120-135-9.revip2.asianet.co.th. [124.120.135.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id in4sm16320218obb.2.2012.04.23.08.10.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F9570CF.2000600@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 22:10:07 +0700 From: Glen Zorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120318 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Atwood References: <4F94DAD8.90203@gmail.com> <4F94F17C.3050204@gmx.de> <4F955E89.6040809@gmail.com> <4F956EAC.4090905@cse.concordia.ca> In-Reply-To: <4F956EAC.4090905@cse.concordia.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] periodspace keyword? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:10:15 -0000 On 04/23/2012 10:01 PM, Bill Atwood wrote: > LaTeX recognizes end-of-sentence for a variety of characters, period > being one of them. It has an "escape" sequence for overriding this > recognition---one writes ".\ " to ensure a single space (i.e., to defeat > the end-of-sentence recognition, instead of ". " > > In the XML case, " " can serve the same purpose; if you don't > like/want the double space after a period, you can override it, as Glen > wrote. This is a general solution to the problem. > > In the case of a citation, I actually prefer Joe's solution---citations > _should_ be tightly coupled to the previous word. Actually, that was what prompted the original question: "Schulzrinne, et al." results in "Schulzrinne, et al. [RFC3550]", as do "Schulzrinne, et al. ", "Schulzrinne, et al." and "Schulzrinne, et al.". > > Bill Atwood > > On 4/23/2012 9:56 AM, Joe Abley wrote: >> On 2012-04-23, at 09:52, Glen Zorn wrote: >> >>> Yes, that works, but only like this >>> >>> Schulzrinne, et al.  >> What about this: >> >> Schulzrinne, et al. >> >> >> Joe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> xml2rfc mailing list >> xml2rfc@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc From A.Hoenes@TR-Sys.de Wed Apr 25 02:08:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E2F21F873A for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:08:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.285 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.285 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.464, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OveOWQoOGI83 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TR-Sys.de (gateway.tr-sys.de [213.178.172.147]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E6C21F8688 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:08:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3.2) id AA136474839; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:07:19 +0200 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id LAA11409; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:07:16 +0200 (MESZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <201204250907.LAA11409@TR-Sys.de> To: stpeter@stpeter.im, julian.reschke@gmx.de, paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 11:07:16 +0200 (MESZ) X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] sections before references in back matter X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:08:43 -0000 The "current" (February 28, 2008) version of the "unofficial successor" of RFC 2629 pointed to from the xml2rfc home page, contains in "Appendix B. The DTD" : | ... | | ... Notably, the July 22, 2006 version of the same document already said: | ... | Wouldn't that solve the problem of having Appendices before the References? However, I personally would suggest that having
s after an would likely be confusing, so maybe ... | ... might be a better choice. Kind regards, Alfred HÎnes. -- +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes | Alfred Hoenes Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys. | | Gerlinger Strasse 12 | Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 | | D-71254 Ditzingen | E-Mail: ah@TR-Sys.de | +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Apr 25 02:58:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A8B21F8744 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:58:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Non-encoded 8-bit data (char EF hex): To: Alfred \357\277\275 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.885 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.885 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DdN+icQawQpT for ; 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WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120420 Thunderbird/12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alfred � References: <201204250907.LAA11409@TR-Sys.de> In-Reply-To: <201204250907.LAA11409@TR-Sys.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org, paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] sections before references in back matter X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:32:54 -0000 From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Apr 25 03:34:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F0E21F8762 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:34:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.174 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.174 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.011, BAYES_40=-0.185, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HQLkgXYVH6RC for ; 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Seems I have a MUA problem (TB 12????). Testing... From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Apr 25 03:38:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FDE21F870F for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:38:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Quarantine-ID: X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER SECTION, Non-encoded 8-bit data (char EF hex): To: Alfred \357\277\275 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.235 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.235 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.065, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JO9TAWpWkUwV for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:38:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B50821F8624 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Apr 2012 10:38:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [42.1.3.81]) [192.147.117.12] by mail.gmx.net (mp035) with SMTP; 25 Apr 2012 12:38:37 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18n/5RhsDcnhx+4kegwNUYISKtf/Zy6g2L5SoXO9h wCkw0Bn9UQl0A4 Message-ID: <4F97D42A.8080600@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:38:34 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120420 Thunderbird/12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alfred � References: <201204250907.LAA11409@TR-Sys.de> In-Reply-To: <201204250907.LAA11409@TR-Sys.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org, paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] sections before references in back matter X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:38:39 -0000 From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Apr 25 03:39:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF5F21F8624 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:39:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.651 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.651 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.948, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xBs5HmujMvRO for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:39:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BF9E721F8778 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 03:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Apr 2012 10:39:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [42.1.3.81]) [192.147.117.12] by mail.gmx.net (mp040) with SMTP; 25 Apr 2012 12:39:39 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+agQJChuuapU7Tb0OIIIiZfhp2u/F6Vi40Y8LHj4 5SBG3luotlWI4E Message-ID: <4F97D465.6040709@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:39:33 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120420 Thunderbird/12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <201204250907.LAA11409@TR-Sys.de> <4F97D2D2.8070900@gmx.de> <4F97D32E.202@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4F97D32E.202@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] sections before references in back matter X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:39:41 -0000 On 2012-04-25 12:34, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2012-04-25 12:32, Julian Reschke wrote: >> ... > > Seems I have a MUA problem (TB 12????). Testing... OK, dunno what's going on. Getting back on-topic: is deprecated. A
becomes an appendix by being below . We could relax the DTD, but I wouldn't want to allow references *between* appendices. So a PI that controls placement of the references seems easier to me. Best regards, Julian From A.Hoenes@TR-Sys.de Wed Apr 25 06:15:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CBC21F874C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:15:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.140, BAYES_50=0.001, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, GB_I_LETTER=-2, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LUaIdJG0nrJz for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from TR-Sys.de (gateway.tr-sys.de [213.178.172.147]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F317421F8742 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ZEUS.TR-Sys.de by w. with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.37.109.26 $/16.3.2) id AA137649618; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:13:38 +0200 Received: (from ah@localhost) by z.TR-Sys.de (8.9.3 (PHNE_25183)/8.7.3) id PAA12456; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:13:36 +0200 (MESZ) From: Alfred =?hp-roman8?B?SM5uZXM=?= Message-Id: <201204251313.PAA12456@TR-Sys.de> To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:13:36 +0200 (MESZ) X-Mailer: ELM [$Revision: 1.17.214.3 $] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=hp-roman8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xml2rfc] country designations and postcodes -- was: Re: postcode city order X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:15:02 -0000 As mentioned in a previous thread on "postcode city order", the declaration and rendering of elements in xml2rfc is very U.S.-centric and should be improved for international use. I'd very much appreciate the usage of a postal address format based on international treaties, not U.S. specifics. Below, I want to provide a bunch of quickly collected information regarding this topic. In Europe and other treaty nations, (nation-wide) postal codes (a.k.a. delivery codes) and international country designations (international postal codes, CEPT Codes) are combined (with a delimiting hyphen in between) and placed in front of the city name, e.g., as posted by Eliot Lear on 28 Feb 2012, 21:26:03 +0100 : | CH-8620 Wallisellen | Switzerland When this preferred form of postal code is used but postal routing through non-treaty nations with manual interpretation of addresses (by humans) is not necessary (as is common for postage via air mail), the spelled-out country name in the additional, trailing line of the address as shown above is not needed: | CH-8620 Wallisellen is sufficient for international postage. (Note that, as with E.163 telephone numbers where the "+xx " country prefix is not part of national dial strings, the postal "xx-" country designation is usually not included in strictly intra-national postal usage.) Important: The CEPT country identifiers are country designations with a varying number of (uppercase-only) latin letters, _not_ ISO 3166 country codes. These postal (CEPT) country identifiers are "borrowed by reference" (in a similar way as the DNS uses ISO 3166-1 country codes for ccTLD names) from the list of car country symbols -- a.k.a. international "Distinguishing Signs" or "UN Vehicle Codes" --, as established by the United Nation's Convention on Road Traffic (Geneva, 19 Sept 1949, Article 20 + Annex 4, and updated Vienna, 8 Nov 1968, Article 37 + Annex 3 -- see http://www.iadc-club.net/DK4/iadc/pr2/eng_con.asp ) Hence, for car country identification as well as for postal addresses, you have for instance the single-character codes: A - Austria B - Belgium C - Cuba D - Germany E - Spain F - France H - Hungary I - Italy J - Japan L - Luxembourg N - Norway P - Portugal S - Sweden V - Holy See (Vatican) ... and the three-character codes: EST - Estland FIN - Finland IRL - Ireland RSM - San Marino RUS - Russia SLO - Slovenia ... while yet other codes are the same as in ISO 3166-1, e.g.: CH - Switzerland DK - Denmark FL - Liechtenstein GB - U.K. GR - Greece HR - Croatia IL - Israel IS - Island MC - Monaco NL - Netherlands PL - Poland UA - Ukraine ... and still others are equal to the ISO 3166-2 3-letter codes. See the Wikipedia article on car country symbols (in German): http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Kfz-Nationalit%C3%A4tszeichen A comprehensive resource on country code systems is: http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/codes/country.htm For more, in-depth information on postal addressing, refer to the Universal Postal Union (UPU.INT), e.g. at http://www.upu.int/en/activities/addressing/standards.html (documents do not seem to be "readily available" at large). Kind regards, Alfred. -- +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | TR-Sys Alfred Hoenes | Alfred Hoenes Dipl.-Math., Dipl.-Phys. | | Gerlinger Strasse 12 | Phone: (+49)7156/9635-0, Fax: -18 | | D-71254 Ditzingen | E-Mail: ah@TR-Sys.de | +------------------------+--------------------------------------------+ From glenzorn@gmail.com Thu Apr 26 01:43:05 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CAB21F87C0 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 01:43:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.539 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.539 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ejln2a6FZVMq for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 01:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B04921F867C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 01:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iazz13 with SMTP id z13so1569354iaz.31 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 01:43:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+0Ltxn8NEL/Ed5hCGWyMXk6rZPY2cdPy5TdVUsw8EMA=; b=pN+bF7lDrhbX6vsxFCGN3CVBzdyRpPCVwuguLH5OrbMMRnnmQCRYY/J0Z8KErIDbBL Sl+0KrCxR5K26iJ2XccEWT1Kd4H++4Hteb4KuPXOPaSvIAP+k/aqsnMY+jTxIafRtKRg ZascpfoV/kvfTBQLlRywHuGbqhJKkFQyHLktfoAPm1u3ew0lO7+Rk1qU+MWIYbS0ldSv 53sbzxPYdzehBDn4wDuqPSs6Me+L93ysfB0QnpXAyBRKSkW2zPhiJhsv2ArYwg8rFxWT yqbU4/wkU9KDmHgXymvcTim0IJlakERuUr5kf8X5u51Q5SPjlX/WKWGMJ09FUNQUpf5H 4Glg== Received: by 10.50.42.132 with SMTP id o4mr5516036igl.41.1335429783181; Thu, 26 Apr 2012 01:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.98] (ppp-124-120-247-22.revip2.asianet.co.th. [124.120.247.22]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id en3sm6421762igc.2.2012.04.26.01.43.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 01:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F990A92.4090702@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 15:42:58 +0700 From: Glen Zorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120318 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xml2rfc] Starting directory for input file location X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 08:43:05 -0000 Is there some way to get xml2rfc to start looking where I want it to for an input file? Right now the initial browsing directory is /home/gwz, but I would much prefer that it was something else... 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Tony Hansen On 4/26/2012 4:42 AM, Glen Zorn wrote: > Is there some way to get xml2rfc to start looking where I want it to > for an input file? Right now the initial browsing directory is > /home/gwz, but I would much prefer that it was something else... 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[124.120.247.22]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id re5sm494725igb.0.2012.04.26.17.24.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F99E755.8060702@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 07:24:53 +0700 From: Glen Zorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120318 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Hansen References: <4F990A92.4090702@gmail.com> <4F996812.7060602@att.com> In-Reply-To: <4F996812.7060602@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Starting directory for input file location X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 00:25:00 -0000 On 04/26/2012 10:21 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: > Which version of xml2rfc are you referring to? tcl? the python > rewrite? the gui version of the python rewrite? TCL, 1.36. > > Tony Hansen > > On 4/26/2012 4:42 AM, Glen Zorn wrote: >> Is there some way to get xml2rfc to start looking where I want it to >> for an input file? Right now the initial browsing directory is >> /home/gwz, but I would much prefer that it was something else... > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc