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Has anyone written an XSLT to convert from latexml's schema to xml2rfc schema?

The latexml schema is here: http://dlmf.nist.gov/LaTeXML/manual/schema/ .

The reason I ask is that I'm wondering if LyX could be made to output
Internet-Drafts by way of exporting to tex, then applying latexml,
then postprocess with an XSLT stylesheet to convert to xml2rfc schema,
finally typeset with xml2rfc.  Then we'd have a WYSYWIG Internet-Draft
editing tool.

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[ Quoting <nico@cryptonector.com> in "[xml2rfc] Alternate XML schemas, or..=
=2E" ]
> Has anyone written an XSLT to convert from latexml's schema to xml2rfc sc=
hema?
>=20
> The latexml schema is here: http://dlmf.nist.gov/LaTeXML/manual/schema/ .
>=20
> The reason I ask is that I'm wondering if LyX could be made to output
> Internet-Drafts by way of exporting to tex, then applying latexml,
> then postprocess with an XSLT stylesheet to convert to xml2rfc schema,
> finally typeset with xml2rfc.  Then we'd have a WYSYWIG Internet-Draft
> editing tool.

Seems like a simular route I took in pandoc2rfc
(https://github.com/miekg/pandoc2rfc). The style sheet translates from
DocBook XML to xml2rfc. Maybe you can use that as a starting point?

gtrz Miek

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On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Miek Gieben <miek@miek.nl> wrote:
> [ Quoting <nico@cryptonector.com> in "[xml2rfc] Alternate XML schemas, or..." ]
> Seems like a simular route I took in pandoc2rfc
> (https://github.com/miekg/pandoc2rfc). The style sheet translates from
> DocBook XML to xml2rfc. Maybe you can use that as a starting point?

Oh, I'll take a look, thanks!

There's a LaTeX to DocBook XML conversion tool, TeX4ht, that I might
be able to use to convert to docbook, then I might be able to use your
pandoc2rfc tool.

I've been using VIM for years to edit xml2rfc XML, but I'm getting
bored of that :)

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[ Quoting <nico@cryptonector.com> in "Re: [xml2rfc] Alternate XML schemas..=
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> > [ Quoting <nico@cryptonector.com> in "[xml2rfc] Alternate XML schemas, =
or..." ]
> > Seems like a simular route I took in pandoc2rfc
> > (https://github.com/miekg/pandoc2rfc). The style sheet translates from
> > DocBook XML to xml2rfc. Maybe you can use that as a starting point?
>=20
> Oh, I'll take a look, thanks!
>=20
> There's a LaTeX to DocBook XML conversion tool, TeX4ht, that I might
> be able to use to convert to docbook, then I might be able to use your
> pandoc2rfc tool.
>=20
> I've been using VIM for years to edit xml2rfc XML, but I'm getting
> bored of that :)

I did that too, right now I only edit Pandoc sources
(http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/), which is such a bless :)

See https://github.com/miekg/nsec4 for a real life example.

 Regards,

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    Miek Gieben

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So I've got a simple test-i-d.lyx file, dead simple: it has a title,
an author, an abstract, a section and a subsection.  I export it as
LaTeX, then I run

htlatex test\-i\-d.tex xhtml,docbook " -cunihtf" -cdocbk

then I tried to apply your transform:

xsltproc --nonet ../../ws/pandoc2rfc/transform.xsl test\-i\-d.xml

but this only produces plain text output on stdout that looks like this:



draft-williams-httpbis-auth-classi=EF=AC=81cation
Nicolas Williams
May 3, 2012

Abstract
This document proposes a classi=EF=AC=81cation scheme for HTTPbis
authentication proposals,
to help with analysis and selection.
   0.1Introduction
0.1.1Conventions used in this document
The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL
NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and
"OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC2119.


What am I doing wrong?

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The .xml output by htlatex looks like this (I had to change the URL
for docbook.dtd):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<!DOCTYPE article PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook V5.0//EN"
"file:///home/nico/MS/Assessment/docbook.dtd" >

<!--translated from test-i-d.tex, on 2012-05-03 16:32:00,
by TeX4ht (http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/)
xhtml,docbook,html,refcaption -->
 <?xtpipes file="docbook.4xt" ?>

<article
 role="report" xmlns="http://docbook.org/ns/docbook"
xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink" version="5.0"><title
></title>

<para role="maketitle"><note
role="title"><para>draft-williams-httpbis-auth-classi&#xFB01;cation</para></note>
<note role="author"><para><personname><othername>Nicolas
Williams</othername></personname></para></note>
<note role="date"><para>May 3, 2012</para></note></para><abstract
>

<note
 role="title"><para>Abstract</para></note>
<!--l. 17
--><para>This document proposes a classi&#xFB01;cation scheme for
HTTPbis authentication proposals,
to help with analysis and selection.</para><!--l. 19
--><para/></abstract>
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I'm actually making good progress now on an XSTL (2.0, sadly)
stylesheet to convert LyX XHTML output (which is less lossy than the
other LyX->XML and LyX->TeX->XML conversions I've tried) into xml2rfc
output.

I've to work out some issues with tables and references, and I have to
add support for more author meta-data (which I now know how to do).

Once I have this working it'd also be nice to develop a LyX layout and
class for properly displaying and printing, respectively,
Internet-Drafts/RFCs written in Lyx -- not really necessary, I know,
given xml2rfc, but for RFCs with complex math formulas and such it
might be a good idea.

LyX is a WYSIWYM -- what you see is what you mean -- editor.  It's
only missing a vi mode and it'd be my ideal editor for complex
documents.  Being able to author Internet-Drafts in LyX might make
editing I-Ds easier and more accessible for many people.

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Making a lot more progress.  Thanks a lot for your help!

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xml2rfc: error: list doesn't contain element 4 around input line 168

Even if I remove all <list> elements I still get this.  What's it mean?

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What's the new version of xml2rfc say?

     Tony Hansen

On 5/11/2012 9:08 PM, Nico Williams wrote:
> xml2rfc: error: list doesn't contain element 4 around input line 168
>
> Even if I remove all<list>  elements I still get this.  What's it mean?
>
> Nico

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I solved the problem.

I now have a LyX XHTML->xml2rfc XSLT that works, albeit with lots of
warnings.  I do need to move to the newer xml2rfc, fix the warnings,
...  I'll do that tomorrow.

Thanks for reminding me to move to the new xml2rfc version.

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On 2012-05-12 03:08, Nico Williams wrote:
> xml2rfc: error: list doesn't contain element 4 around input line 168
> ...

Source file?


Best regards, Julian

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https://github.com/nicowilliams/lyx2rfc

It works well enough that I can actually write a lengthy I-D (in
progress) that xml2rfc (old version) formats with minimal complaints:

xml2rfc: warning: <appendix/> element is deprecated, use <section/>
instead around input line 422
xml2rfc: warning: <?rfc symrefs=?> now defaults to "yes" around input line 436

Also, I need to add various metadata to cover PIs like whether to
generate toc and so on, but it's really quite functional now.

I suppose I should include a screenshot, but, there's plenty at
lyx.org to get started with.

Note that normally I'm very much a VIM in a screen(1) kind of a
person.  I just got tired of <xml/>, what can I say.  LyX doesn't have
VI keybindings, which sucks for me, but I still want to try this out
for a while.

Nico
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On 2012-05-17 19:20, Nico Williams wrote:
> https://github.com/nicowilliams/lyx2rfc
>
> It works well enough that I can actually write a lengthy I-D (in
> progress) that xml2rfc (old version) formats with minimal complaints:
>
> xml2rfc: warning:<appendix/>  element is deprecated, use<section/>
> instead around input line 422

Indeed. Don't use <appendix>.

> xml2rfc: warning:<?rfc symrefs=?>  now defaults to "yes" around input line 436

Do you have the PI set at all?

> ...

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> On 2012-05-17 19:20, Nico Williams wrote:
>> https://github.com/nicowilliams/lyx2rfc

I added screenshots just now.

>> It works well enough that I can actually write a lengthy I-D (in
>> progress) that xml2rfc (old version) formats with minimal complaints:
>>
>> xml2rfc: warning:<appendix/> =C2=A0element is deprecated, use<section/>
>> instead around input line 422
>
> Indeed. Don't use <appendix>.

I know :)  I'll get to that...  since it's only a warning and renders
fine...  I had many more warnings earlier, not to mention errors.

BTW, you seem to know a lot about XSLT...  I had to resort to XSLT 2.0
and some ugly twists to handle conversion of h2, h3, and h4 elements
into section elements.  Any ideas for how to do that in XSLT 1.0?  I
couldn't find any recipes general enough (i.e., covering nested
sections).

>> xml2rfc: warning:<?rfc symrefs=3D?> =C2=A0now defaults to "yes" around i=
nput line
>> 436
>
> Do you have the PI set at all?

No, I have to add that too.

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On 2012-05-17 19:41, Nico Williams wrote:
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Julian Reschke<julian.reschke@gmx.de>  wrote:
>> On 2012-05-17 19:20, Nico Williams wrote:
>>> https://github.com/nicowilliams/lyx2rfc
>
> I added screenshots just now.
>
>>> It works well enough that I can actually write a lengthy I-D (in
>>> progress) that xml2rfc (old version) formats with minimal complaints:
>>>
>>> xml2rfc: warning:<appendix/>    element is deprecated, use<section/>
>>> instead around input line 422
>>
>> Indeed. Don't use<appendix>.
>
> I know :)  I'll get to that...  since it's only a warning and renders
> fine...  I had many more warnings earlier, not to mention errors.
>
> BTW, you seem to know a lot about XSLT...  I had to resort to XSLT 2.0
> and some ugly twists to handle conversion of h2, h3, and h4 elements
> into section elements.  Any ideas for how to do that in XSLT 1.0?  I
> couldn't find any recipes general enough (i.e., covering nested
> sections).

If you have a minimized example, I can try.

In general, everything is possible in XSLT 1.0, it just can get very 
painful. Grouping is a weakness.

>>> xml2rfc: warning:<?rfc symrefs=?>    now defaults to "yes" around input line
>>> 436
>>
>> Do you have the PI set at all?
>
> No, I have to add that too.

xml2rfc was supposed to warn about the absence of the PI just for a 
transition period; I guess this should be fixed in the TCL code.

Best regards, Julian

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> On 2012-05-17 19:41, Nico Williams wrote:
>> BTW, you seem to know a lot about XSLT... =C2=A0I had to resort to XSLT =
2.0
>> and some ugly twists to handle conversion of h2, h3, and h4 elements
>> into section elements. =C2=A0Any ideas for how to do that in XSLT 1.0? =
=C2=A0I
>> couldn't find any recipes general enough (i.e., covering nested
>> sections).
>
> If you have a minimized example, I can try.

I've added a sample .xhtml file to my repo.  You can see sequences of
elements like:

    <h2 class=3D"section">
      <span class=3D"section_label">2</span> <a id=3D"magicparlabel-93453"/=
>
Details</h2>
    <div class=3D"standard">
      <a id=3D"magicparlabel-93454"/>
Some text. Here's a protected&nbsp;space, and here's a bunch of them:
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;, see?</div>
    <h3 class=3D"subsection">
      <span class=3D"subsection_label">2.1</span> <a
id=3D"magicparlabel-93455"/><a id=3D"sub_A_sub_section"/>
A sub-section</h3>
    <div class=3D"standard">
      <a id=3D"magicparlabel-93456"/>
and</div>
    <h4 class=3D"subsubsection">
      <span class=3D"subsubsection_label">2.1.1</span> <a
id=3D"magicparlabel-93457"/>
A sub-sub-section</h4>
    <div class=3D"standard">
      <a id=3D"magicparlabel-93458"/>
cool.</div>

To simplify:

<h2>section title</h2>...paragraphs...<h3>subsection title</h3>...

There's no closing of sections.

> In general, everything is possible in XSLT 1.0, it just can get very
> painful. Grouping is a weakness.

I looked and looked.  I couldn't find a recipe that supports nesting
of sections.  I ended up relying on the XPath 2.0 << operator, and
even so it feels very hackish.  But surely this must be a common
problem!!  (The O'Reilly XSLT Cookbook covers this, but not with
support for nesting, so I know it has come up before.)

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Actually, I can't find docs saying what should be used to produce an
appendix other than the appendix element.  E.g,
http://xml.resource.org/authoring/draft-mrose-writing-rfcs.html
doesn't say.  The page for the dev version of xml2rfc also doesn't
say.  Where should I be looking?

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Never mind: it's section elements in the back element, following references.

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On 2012-05-17 21:58, Nico Williams wrote:
> Actually, I can't find docs saying what should be used to produce an
> appendix other than the appendix element.  E.g,

Just put a <section> into <back>.

> http://xml.resource.org/authoring/draft-mrose-writing-rfcs.html
> doesn't say.  The page for the dev version of xml2rfc also doesn't
> say.  Where should I be looking?
>
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I think you're looking in the right place, it's just not there.

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On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:
> On 2012-05-17 21:58, Nico Williams wrote:
> I think you're looking in the right place, it's just not there.

Yeah.  Somehow it became obvious after posting.  Using <section> in
<back> actually simplified the XSLT stylesheet significantly.  I've
added PI support, and now I just need to figure the namespace issues
so I can fully script this, deal with whatever minor issues as I go.

Thanks!

Do you think the IETF tools team would like to incorporate this tool?
I'd be happy to contribute it.  I'd think that a WYISWYM tool for I-D
authoring would be somewhat desirable...

Nico
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Subject: [xml2rfc] Using a "modern" word processor
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>From the thread [rfc-i] Proposed new RFC submission requirements...

On 2012-05-24 21:53, Joe Touch wrote:
...
> The requirement for text allows multiple author formats. Allowing the
> current XML markup is an option because it allows xml2rfc-tools.
> 
> Forcing a particular markup has implications upstream for author tools.
> The markup chosen should be as agnostic to those tools as possible, and
> minimal to only those aspects the RFC Editor actually cares about.
> 
> I haven't seen a specific proposal for such a markup. I'll be glad to
> see if there's a way to support it in a modern word processor (e.g., MS
> Word) once there is.

I tried to edit an XML2RFC file using a reasonably modern version
of MS-Word and it half-worked by default, showing me the document
structure nicely, but it didn't show all the content (for example,
not the content of <xref> elements. When I tried to feed it with
rfc2629.xslt it complained about this and that (security, basically,
screen shots available). Does anybody know how to make that work
[on Windows]?

    Brian



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I'm using LyX, a WYSIWYM GUI editor based on TeX.

I've written a lyx2rfc tool that uses XSLT 2.0 (specifically the Saxon
XSLT 2.0 processor) to convert LyX XHTML output to xml2rfc schema,
then xml2rfc to format the I-D.

You can find lyx2rfc here: git@github.com:nicowilliams/lyx2rfc
(https://github.com/nicowilliams/lyx2rfc).  Included are screenshots
and a sample I-D.  Most of the xml2rfc functionality is supported; a
handful of features are missing:

 - table column width specifications (but I think I'll add that eventually)
 - cref
 - iref

xrefs are supported, and actually easy to use.

Nico
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