The Internet Standards Process -- Revision 3

From johnl@iecc.com Sat Jun 2 11:52:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E9921F8636 for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:52:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.889 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.889 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.310, BAYES_00=-2.599, HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI=-4.3, RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED=-4.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 51-ICj3KEwpK for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3533921F842D for ; Sat, 2 Jun 2012 11:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 94541 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2012 18:52:58 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 2 Jun 2012 18:52:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=4fca610a.xn--9vv.k1206; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=lZXQHNK3LvPdNCC9dUOgoxr5p30CPzAQMVIzKZByaNU=; b=qSRwhRZSxMaay+IbB5lfSGGDnb0du6agT58YLar7eLJKjVzqHusiIAAvmAQGwNAPkdaGwWm/P8Dx3UdpduittwzeoLovA96eet6bg8Poh0OGLhEWjDf7QZ0j9Ex38s2McOHZObc5TmQOyqLC0a7Np305Vk2ZqH/6iYG21J790bY= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 2 Jun 2012 18:52:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20120602185236.4123.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [xml2rfc] References buglet in new xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2012 18:53:00 -0000 This XML: produces a section in the txt version just called References, at least if it's the only reference section. 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[190.17.128.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f61sm2825964yhg.14.2012.06.05.00.01.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 05 Jun 2012 00:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Fernando Gont Message-ID: <4FCDAECA.5000101@gont.com.ar> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 04:01:30 -0300 From: Fernando Gont User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5pre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xml2rfc] Lists and sublists (nested lists) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:01:36 -0000 Folks, I'm trying to produce a list with a sub-list (i.e. a nested list). I was expecting the following output: ---- cut here ---- 1. FIRST ITEM 2. SECOND ITEM 3. THIRD ITEM One parenthetical note Now, the subitems:, A. THIRD-ITEM, FIRST SUB-ITEM (3.A) B. THIRD-ITEM, SECOND SUB-ITEM (3.B) C. THIRD-ITEM, THIRD SUB-ITEM (3.B) ---- cut here ---- However, what I atually get is a sublist that starts with "B" (rather than "A"), as in: ---- cut here ---- 1. FIRST ITEM 2. SECOND ITEM 3. THIRD ITEM One parenthetical note Now, the subitems:, B. THIRD-ITEM, FIRST SUB-ITEM (3.A) C. THIRD-ITEM, SECOND SUB-ITEM (3.B) D. THIRD-ITEM, THIRD SUB-ITEM (3.B) ---- cut here ---- Here's the code I'm using: ---- cut here ---- FIRST ITEM SECOND ITEM THIRD ITEM One parenthetical note Now, the subitems:, THIRD-ITEM, FIRST SUB-ITEM (3.A) THIRD-ITEM, SECOND SUB-ITEM (3.B) THIRD-ITEM, THIRD SUB-ITEM (3.B) ---- cut here --- FWIW, what seems to be screwing things up is the "parenthetical note". If I remove it, I get the expected numbering (i.e., starting with "A", rather than "B"). Any ideas on how to get the inner "numbering" right (without removing the parenthetical note, of course)? Thanks! Best regards, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando@gont.com.ar || fgont@si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1 From miekg@atoom.net Tue Jun 5 00:28:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE3921F869F for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:28:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_LETTER=-2, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T+4dEFVkwM1T for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elektron.atoom.net (cl-201.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:7b8:2ff:c8::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F84221F8621 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by elektron.atoom.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 141B73FFB4; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:28:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 09:28:41 +0200 From: Miek Gieben To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Message-ID: <20120605072840.GA19113@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org References: <4FCDAECA.5000101@gont.com.ar> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4FCDAECA.5000101@gont.com.ar> User-Agent: Vim/Mutt/Linux X-Home: http://www.miek.nl Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Lists and sublists (nested lists) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:28:47 -0000 --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [ Quoting in "[xml2rfc] Lists and sublists (neste...= " ] > Here's the code I'm using: >=20 > ---- cut here ---- > > FIRST ITEM >=20 > SECOND ITEM >=20 > THIRD ITEM > > One parenthetical note > >=20 > Now, the subitems:, >=20 > > THIRD-ITEM, FIRST SUB-ITEM (3.A) >=20 > THIRD-ITEM, SECOND SUB-ITEM (3.B) >=20 > THIRD-ITEM, THIRD SUB-ITEM (3.B) >=20 > > >=20 > > ---- cut here --- Drop the hanging list item and replace it with a vspace?=20 = =20 = =20 = =20 First Item = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 Second item = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 Third item = =20 = =20 = =20 A paragraph that comes first = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 But what do you know = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 This is another list = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 = =20 Regards, --=20 Miek Gieben http://mi= ek.nl --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/NtSgACgkQJYuFzziA0PaqdACg9cvBQJVAlANuipneT/V5DjPT kF0AoIanckTraElq9+SLmRBB5GyMM1r8 =eOcq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/-- From julian.reschke@gmx.de Tue Jun 5 00:51:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A11E21F86DC for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:51:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.923, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2JI6K5Zgv4rs for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 06C6821F86D8 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2012 00:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Jun 2012 07:51:06 -0000 Received: from p5DD94B3A.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [93.217.75.58] by mail.gmx.net (mp040) with SMTP; 05 Jun 2012 09:51:06 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18g1gEW0cwgLv/jmR1OpO/FdU522qlRshdKXtWHMh +AAdTTV5gxSXy9 Message-ID: <4FCDBA68.5000009@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:51:04 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fernando Gont References: <4FCDAECA.5000101@gont.com.ar> In-Reply-To: <4FCDAECA.5000101@gont.com.ar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Lists and sublists (nested lists) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:51:09 -0000 On 2012-06-05 09:01, Fernando Gont wrote: > Folks, > > I'm trying to produce a list with a sub-list (i.e. a nested list). I was > expecting the following output: > > ---- cut here ---- > 1. FIRST ITEM > > 2. SECOND ITEM > > 3. THIRD ITEM > > One parenthetical note > > Now, the subitems:, > > A. THIRD-ITEM, FIRST SUB-ITEM (3.A) > > B. THIRD-ITEM, SECOND SUB-ITEM (3.B) > > C. THIRD-ITEM, THIRD SUB-ITEM (3.B) > ---- cut here ---- > > > However, what I atually get is a sublist that starts with "B" (rather > than "A"), as in: > > ---- cut here ---- > 1. FIRST ITEM > > 2. SECOND ITEM > > 3. THIRD ITEM > > One parenthetical note > > Now, the subitems:, > > B. THIRD-ITEM, FIRST SUB-ITEM (3.A) > > C. THIRD-ITEM, SECOND SUB-ITEM (3.B) > > D. THIRD-ITEM, THIRD SUB-ITEM (3.B) > ---- cut here ---- > ... That's a bug in xml2rfc.tcl; it works with rfc2629.xslt. You may want to open a big report (-> ). BTW: this is another case where a list container element would be useful. It would be great if we finally get back to enhancing the xml2rfc grammar :-) Best regards, Julian From julian.reschke@gmx.de Tue Jun 12 00:29:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C5521F85AF for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:29:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.932 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.932 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.333, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id abJ91NFqm1Wi for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DD421F8589 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:29:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q5C7T6Hv078057 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:29:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Jun 2012 07:29:00 -0000 Received: from p54BB3983.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [84.187.57.131] by mail.gmx.net (mp019) with SMTP; 12 Jun 2012 09:29:00 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/VzHAvy7fVAI/XagjmjxGP9brDxmpKKco+aOsBVI 5PZTK09MZqbgeS Message-ID: <4FD6EFB7.7020906@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:28:55 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120604 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: [xml2rfc] BCP references X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:29:14 -0000 Hi there, I recently encountered: The Internet Standards Process -- Revision 3 Note that it has *two* seriesInfo entries of type "RFC". There are (at least) two ways to look at his: 1) BCP 9 indeed consists of these RFCs, so the citation is correct. 2) The vocabulary () defines seriesInfo as: ...The "seriesInfo" element has two attributes, "name" and "value" that identify the document series and series entry, respectively... Note the term "identify" here: RFC 6410 does not identify the document (only part of it), so there's a problem here. When generating HTML, implementations currently produce a hyperlink to the first RFC mentioned, which of course is the wrong thing to do. If we ever get to revising the vocabulary, we should think about how to reference collections of documents... Best regards, Julian From duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp Tue Jun 12 00:36:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1D121F852B for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:36:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.245 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.245 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=2.054, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cXvHkER37tlx for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:36:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A933A21F851A for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.253.33]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q5C7aSUK078326 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:36:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp) Received: from scmse01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.253.231]) by scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id q5C7aLLQ022318 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:36:22 +0900 Received: from (unknown [133.2.206.133]) by scmse01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 05ee_b171_4df5074e_b461_11e1_a138_001d096c566a; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:36:20 +0900 Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([133.2.210.1]:60387) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:36:25 +0900 Message-ID: <4FD6F171.3000506@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 16:36:17 +0900 From: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4FD6EFB7.7020906@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4FD6EFB7.7020906@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] BCP references X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:36:37 -0000 BCP 47 is another example of a BCP that consists of more than one RFC. This is explicitly mentioned at the top of http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/bcp/bcp47.txt, which is otherwise a concatenation of the two relevant RFCs (RFC 5646 and RFC 4647). This also seems to have been done for http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/bcp/bcp9.txt. The problem is that this is really quite rare. But it's still important to get it right. Regards, Martin. On 2012/06/12 16:28, Julian Reschke wrote: > Hi there, > > I recently encountered: > > > > The Internet Standards > Process -- Revision 3 > > > > > > > > > Note that it has *two* seriesInfo entries of type "RFC". > > There are (at least) two ways to look at his: > > 1) BCP 9 indeed consists of these RFCs, so the citation is correct. > > 2) The vocabulary () > defines seriesInfo as: > > ...The "seriesInfo" element has two attributes, "name" and "value" that > identify the document series and series entry, respectively... > > Note the term "identify" here: RFC 6410 does not identify the document > (only part of it), so there's a problem here. > > When generating HTML, implementations currently produce a hyperlink to > the first RFC mentioned, which of course is the wrong thing to do. > > If we ever get to revising the vocabulary, we should think about how to > reference collections of documents... > > Best regards, Julian > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > From julian.reschke@gmx.de Tue Jun 12 00:51:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE0B21F85DA for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:51:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n87ywt3BsQfz for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC4021F85C7 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q5C7p2BN078842 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:51:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 Jun 2012 07:50:56 -0000 Received: from p54BB3983.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [84.187.57.131] by mail.gmx.net (mp041) with SMTP; 12 Jun 2012 09:50:56 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18zVyAmP8ozh1BInGJ2qPasdGajz23dqbqB0d1oxo wiomTlMi+tin9b Message-ID: <4FD6F4D6.8090904@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:50:46 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120604 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= References: <4FD6EFB7.7020906@gmx.de> <4FD6F171.3000506@it.aoyama.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: <4FD6F171.3000506@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] BCP references X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 07:51:28 -0000 On 2012-06-12 09:36, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote: > BCP 47 is another example of a BCP that consists of more than one RFC. > This is explicitly mentioned at the top of > http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/bcp/bcp47.txt, which is otherwise a > concatenation of the two relevant RFCs (RFC 5646 and RFC 4647). This > also seems to have been done for > http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/bcp/bcp9.txt. The problem is that this is > really quite rare. But it's still important to get it right. > ... Another problem related to this is that rfcmarkup doesn't handle it well (it doesn't expect concatenations of documents). Best regards, Julian From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Tue Jun 12 01:32:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC5821F84B4 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:32:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.705 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.705 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=1.908, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5AlDpjpcMj7O for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD7021F847B for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ee0-f52.google.com (mail-ee0-f52.google.com [74.125.83.52]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q5C8WjI5080263 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:32:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com) Received: by eeke53 with SMTP id e53so2865206eek.39 for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:32:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=k4Hx4WFN9qwSN91myVLKmZx/zoj2sYSuA3V7YslwOv0=; b=e4/3e+1bDVb+CXopmq7xE+3r6s6UK8h95gxfpEGCWCxDdKel7ciwjBNie57EQv/kgB c9M7LDm5JRNGTD2FFNWGh4viWhIOtW2IhvlEpbGCNqk1Jd91Rg9yGMw3azKB1DmFkI64 Viht6Exmk30wGOcjJWrugM2e6hyLOIyN8c7BL6zTsmLx72xQh36uW+2I7lAX7K/KjS/S o/NmvUVCCagQtFzLX54tskF8xO6PFKCGwWcV59S+Bu6SDU0rqSpbFFqRflkqA0vMwMnl 1kGq8O6aGNMtYGGvbD1Y4VXNS69Bq7finYjH5cjxtIM1w0aw/kRYJ+7mTorwqK4k1HFz HQHg== Received: by 10.14.37.12 with SMTP id x12mr6554380eea.161.1339489959662; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.67] (host-2-102-219-50.as13285.net. [2.102.219.50]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p41sm61584907eef.5.2012.06.12.01.32.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FD6FEA2.9020307@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 09:32:34 +0100 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4FD6EFB7.7020906@gmx.de> <4FD6F171.3000506@it.aoyama.ac.jp> <4FD6F4D6.8090904@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4FD6F4D6.8090904@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] BCP references X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 08:32:52 -0000 On 2012-06-12 08:50, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2012-06-12 09:36, "Martin J. D=C3=BCrst" wrote: >> BCP 47 is another example of a BCP that consists of more than one RFC.= >> This is explicitly mentioned at the top of >> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/bcp/bcp47.txt, which is otherwise a >> concatenation of the two relevant RFCs (RFC 5646 and RFC 4647). This >> also seems to have been done for >> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/bcp/bcp9.txt. The problem is that this i= s >> really quite rare. But it's still important to get it right. >> ... >=20 > Another problem related to this is that rfcmarkup doesn't handle it wel= l > (it doesn't expect concatenations of documents). Two comments: 1. This was a conscious choice at some time in the past, when people started citing BCP numbers - so that they would get the whole BCP from the cited URL. It is supposed to be done for every multi-part BCP. 2. As a matter of fact, the same thing was done for STD numbers, see http://www.rfc-editor.org/std-index.html, or for a specific example, http://www.rfc-editor.org/std/std5.txt. However, people have never taken to citing STD numbers, probably because the Internet runs on Proposed Standards. Brian From stpeter@stpeter.im Wed Jun 13 14:33:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4266611E809A for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:33:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kd40zAvS4aE0 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5647411E8097 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [64.101.72.115] (unknown [64.101.72.115]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F32474005A for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:50:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FD90709.4030504@stpeter.im> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:32:57 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120601 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xml2rfc] reference files X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:33:00 -0000 Are the xml2rfc reference files under source control? 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There's an idea. It'd be great if they were in a git repo*. * Actually, it'd be great if the tools team were to switch to git. Nico -- From stpeter@stpeter.im Wed Jun 13 15:58:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513DE21F8589 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:58:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hz1zFFOChkin for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D7B11E8097 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [64.101.72.115] (unknown [64.101.72.115]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C631940081; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:15:49 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4FD91B1B.7010707@stpeter.im> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:58:35 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120601 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nico Williams References: <4FD90709.4030504@stpeter.im> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] reference files X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 22:58:37 -0000 On 6/13/12 4:44 PM, Nico Williams wrote: > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> Are the xml2rfc reference files under source control? > > There's an idea. It'd be great if they were in a git repo*. So let's set one up. ;-) > * Actually, it'd be great if the tools team were to switch to git. I'm agnostic on source control tools, but git works fine for me. /psa From nico@cryptonector.com Wed Jun 13 16:15:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED19611E80CE for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:15:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.243, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BM+VhfD2qwPX for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a77.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdccac.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.202]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A61011E80C7 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a77.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a77.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23DC09405E for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:15:05 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cryptonector.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s= cryptonector.com; b=RUFxzy9ZayJQZkqKewSgyKkD6bo4pmMGH/EHqcEKYjQ8 jFa0C0nIuvDz8A2OsqORDP1ari3Ynfedz66AQG+hoEJaKMWqVQ27unEEKwTN301c hkKlFTHhO2ddCkAsVNSVSrieu+JwNI8fz00+lXHU/mDhlQIHhSf9+pfKkJbX8JM= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= cryptonector.com; bh=MmyBZRDLSDEepEuDoI4pVaTy5jM=; b=Zbu9vhBWRJn Ai5Me38n/oWDdY0WW6XBHOn74fQtna/BRx5qh/D571ZsMkw4wTmi8PUe2Sv9U3dU H4uWkD8pE1l5sH8dIgGQonWeHmrp4UzGPmIE3SNrmo7SpRP34+UIv9D3GKYiZGSS 0LTefe0RxRQT5dnj9w8LKWKPf6m4uKu8= Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a77.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 08D9B9405C for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dacx6 with SMTP id x6so1670804dac.31 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.136.68 with SMTP id py4mr634388pbb.151.1339629304716; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.15.134 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:15:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FD91B1B.7010707@stpeter.im> References: <4FD90709.4030504@stpeter.im> <4FD91B1B.7010707@stpeter.im> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:15:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Peter Saint-Andre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] reference files X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:15:11 -0000 On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wro= te: > On 6/13/12 4:44 PM, Nico Williams wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Peter Saint-Andre = wrote: >>> Are the xml2rfc reference files under source control? >> >> There's an idea. =C2=A0It'd be great if they were in a git repo*. > > So let's set one up. ;-) Well, sure, that's easy, but someone has to be the authority... That's got to be... the tools team, right? >> * Actually, it'd be great if the tools team were to switch to git. > > I'm agnostic on source control tools, but git works fine for me. Alright, let's spare ourselves a flame war on that topic. If the tools team hearts SVN, well, I'll understand -grudginly-, but an svn2git gateway would be useful in terms of getting contributions. Nico -- From nico@cryptonector.com Wed Jun 13 16:15:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6165211E80D2 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:15:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.243, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XyiklCcFxAmB for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a98.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcaid.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.83]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43CF011E80D1 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a98.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a98.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262662C2058 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:15:06 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cryptonector.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s= cryptonector.com; b=sbZZFyediFoxUsH5diMfAh6OrFfpT3Y+4nVpSruuHerZ BwB3RB15IIyVnWeDrfTcVYR6vAFc3loo92F0jiqn2BUfsLLZnjLh4vvVq4IBN+1a VlVpiMR38QaF7+GaWxOxSWD9QOyzIr4wWajBXpW+H6TqZPmlZHem9I3mUJr+8dw= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= cryptonector.com; bh=MmyBZRDLSDEepEuDoI4pVaTy5jM=; b=QQMtMHQiD26 UpcG9NJ3ylZyrCxOerSoyKICm8+zY6/hb0nxxmuuEQFL1hs6OLJaFWGeNx+v6q6d cpANO0sPC+JVBtee7LGWQFeFlQ/50zxEDn/f7gC49wY7ELCP6ctfi+rztwACGZFQ jFY+rnfDBsy132uyG5KisGYeB8ZiIeQw= Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a98.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0CA132C2005 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by dacx6 with SMTP id x6so1670818dac.31 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:15:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.223.138 with SMTP id qu10mr955754pbc.50.1339629305706; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.165.6 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 16:15:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FD91B1B.7010707@stpeter.im> References: <4FD90709.4030504@stpeter.im> <4FD91B1B.7010707@stpeter.im> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:15:05 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Peter Saint-Andre Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] reference files X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 23:15:16 -0000 On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wro= te: > On 6/13/12 4:44 PM, Nico Williams wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Peter Saint-Andre = wrote: >>> Are the xml2rfc reference files under source control? >> >> There's an idea. =C2=A0It'd be great if they were in a git repo*. > > So let's set one up. ;-) Well, sure, that's easy, but someone has to be the authority... That's got to be... the tools team, right? >> * Actually, it'd be great if the tools team were to switch to git. > > I'm agnostic on source control tools, but git works fine for me. Alright, let's spare ourselves a flame war on that topic. If the tools team hearts SVN, well, I'll understand -grudginly-, but an svn2git gateway would be useful in terms of getting contributions. Nico -- From randy@psg.com Thu Jun 14 04:49:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AFC421F85D4 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 04:49:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.546 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.546 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.806, BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id owVmiZZLX43t for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 04:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5267621F85CC for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 04:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [147.28.0.36]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q5EBniPk057156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 04:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rair.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Sf8YU-000D7w-LQ for xml2rfc@lists.xml.resource.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:49:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:49:37 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: xml2rfc User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [xml2rfc] spacing out X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:49:47 -0000 still running tcl . maybe i will update tomorrow, especially if it will get me through this one. how do i get a list element that has more than one paragraph? e.g. I can not do a close of the t after this or it will create a new list element. So I try But it does not work. I do not get a space between the two paragraphs. produces 2.1 I can not do a close of the t after this or it will create a new list element. So I try But it does not work. I do not get a space between the two paragraphs. randy From miekg@atoom.net Thu Jun 14 04:57:14 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C76821F865D for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 04:57:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.741 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.741 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UPgJftMg+0Gu for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 04:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elektron.atoom.net (cl-201.ede-01.nl.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:7b8:2ff:c8::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C628B21F8625 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 04:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by elektron.atoom.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 42279400D0; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:57:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:57:10 +0200 From: Miek Gieben To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, xml2rfc Message-ID: <20120614115710.GA9622@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, xml2rfc References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Vim/Mutt/Linux X-Home: http://www.miek.nl Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] spacing out X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:57:14 -0000 --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [ Quoting in "[xml2rfc] spacing out..." ] > still running tcl . maybe i will update tomorrow, especially if > it will get me through this one. >=20 > how do i get a list element that has more than one paragraph? e.g. >=20 > > I can not do a close of the t after this or it will create > a new list element. So I try > > But it does not work. I do not get a space between the two > paragraphs. should't that be: Regards, --=20 Miek Gieben http://mi= ek.nl --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/Z0ZYACgkQJYuFzziA0Pa3WACeM17cKb59+PY41yAyHLzFz6aL NtQAn28T7i2IBCxUrFt+T6M1mE0KTcTB =h8Kq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+-- From miekg@atoom.net Thu Jun 14 04:57:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB43F21F868A for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 04:57:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.741 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.741 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t0zmHTDl1BBC for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 04:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6639C21F8683 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 04:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elektron.atoom.net (elektron.atoom.net [85.223.71.124]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q5EBvGHL057223 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 04:57:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from miekg@atoom.net) Received: by elektron.atoom.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 42279400D0; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:57:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:57:10 +0200 From: Miek Gieben To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, xml2rfc Message-ID: <20120614115710.GA9622@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: xml2rfc@ietf.org, xml2rfc References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Vim/Mutt/Linux X-Home: http://www.miek.nl Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] spacing out X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:57:19 -0000 --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [ Quoting in "[xml2rfc] spacing out..." ] > still running tcl . maybe i will update tomorrow, especially if > it will get me through this one. >=20 > how do i get a list element that has more than one paragraph? e.g. >=20 > > I can not do a close of the t after this or it will create > a new list element. So I try > > But it does not work. I do not get a space between the two > paragraphs. should't that be: Regards, --=20 Miek Gieben http://mi= ek.nl --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk/Z0ZYACgkQJYuFzziA0Pa3WACeM17cKb59+PY41yAyHLzFz6aL NtQAn28T7i2IBCxUrFt+T6M1mE0KTcTB =h8Kq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mYCpIKhGyMATD0i+-- From randy@psg.com Thu Jun 14 05:00:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBC421F867D for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 05:00:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id on2Llcl3RtDC for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 05:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F5321F8625 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 05:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rair.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Sf8jO-000D9V-LJ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:00:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:00:53 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Miek Gieben In-Reply-To: <20120614115710.GA9622@miek.nl> References: <20120614115710.GA9622@miek.nl> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org, xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] spacing out X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:00:56 -0000 >> how do i get a list element that has more than one paragraph? e.g. >> >> >> I can not do a close of the t after this or it will create >> a new list element. So I try >> >> But it does not work. I do not get a space between the two >> paragraphs. > > should't that be: it demanded and did the same, no fix randy From randy@psg.com Thu Jun 14 05:01:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EBC21F86A5 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 05:01:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ndVUI0NvvIom for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 05:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD13D21F869F for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 05:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [147.28.0.36]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q5EC11Tv057295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 05:01:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rair.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Sf8jO-000D9V-LJ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:00:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 21:00:53 +0900 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Miek Gieben In-Reply-To: <20120614115710.GA9622@miek.nl> References: <20120614115710.GA9622@miek.nl> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org, xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] spacing out X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:01:07 -0000 >> how do i get a list element that has more than one paragraph? e.g. >> >> >> I can not do a close of the t after this or it will create >> a new list element. So I try >> >> But it does not work. I do not get a space between the two >> paragraphs. > > should't that be: it demanded and did the same, no fix randy From julian.reschke@gmx.de Thu Jun 14 06:17:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EF621F86B7 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:17:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.839 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.839 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.240, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MoHrtdsO1+Pl for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAE621F8688 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q5EDH8sM058108 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:17:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Jun 2012 13:17:02 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp039) with SMTP; 14 Jun 2012 15:17:02 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/RtaNaBdvRmTD5EQgbtG7wh95AmztboTKMTTLKlf rg+ElPryRCroU4 Message-ID: <4FD9E44C.6060300@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:17:00 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120604 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Bush References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] spacing out X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:17:16 -0000 On 2012-06-14 13:49, Randy Bush wrote: > still running tcl . maybe i will update tomorrow, especially if > it will get me through this one. > > how do i get a list element that has more than one paragraph? e.g. > > > I can not do a close of the t after this or it will create > a new list element. So I try > > But it does not work. I do not get a space between the two > paragraphs. > > produces > > 2.1 I can not do a close of the t after this or it will create a > new list element. So I try > But it does not work. I do not get a space between the two > paragraphs. > > randy > ... Known vocabulary deficit. Would be good if we finally could get back to work on improving it. That being said: the "compact" processing instructions might affect this (just an idea; haven't tried that). Best regards, Julian From tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com Thu Jun 14 06:33:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20AA221F8658 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:33:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nuYHigQwh4Oy for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FEDF21F8663 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id go11so2361908lbb.31 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:33:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-antivirus:x-antivirus-status; bh=/6iiLFDZffPoBW+Rwpo6HFGis4hFnfK0M2ovptawTK0=; b=u8RHirieCM0nGXWF+uoSjMmcC6XOIYxf3OLwwzXDBaWgpWlHSQ4SQs1RQ/PF4vry2P VdWP3zA1fFLnyOqEcibhuWqDp4uHoCHIpFjCZtPioIQ8C9BZ3e3a8RtfvVMsg38llYRv t2S+7IdkkyKA9KdNtXwT66JmiCBH4jSCR9igrDwJ1smJ1rmC/3YqJjMXv0eI1BtQ8QWf iQRGQ2y1XRso2AJ+7mBBo6Bv6kEJDiSDPx+BYIrHYxFATMtLbEDAeO4zyzMNgfS1xpb4 8S0gyuoumsPfJ41o/BejV8pQlbj8TPZ46bTKJ/ZrJI3ehklgOw51ahD7UFSlrHTiEz8/ XTHQ== Received: by 10.152.145.41 with SMTP id sr9mr1923924lab.25.1339680800794; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dsl-173-206-76-92.tor.primus.ca. [173.206.76.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hi14sm7516348lab.4.2012.06.14.06.33.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FD9E81A.6090501@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:33:14 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Bush References: <20120614115710.GA9622@miek.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120614-0, 14/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org, xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] spacing out X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:33:22 -0000 That should be . Small 'b' to start 'blankLines'. Works for me all the time. On 14/06/2012 8:00 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >>> how do i get a list element that has more than one paragraph? e.g. >>> >>> >>> I can not do a close of the t after this or it will create >>> a new list element. So I try >>> >>> But it does not work. I do not get a space between the two >>> paragraphs. >> >> should't that be: > > it demanded > > and did the same, no fix > > randy > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > From tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com Thu Jun 14 06:33:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D709621F8688 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:33:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TO1ijmxq7BC7 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE6621F864A for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f52.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q5EDXQx1058359 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:33:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com) Received: by lahj13 with SMTP id j13so1842701lah.39 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:33:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-antivirus:x-antivirus-status; bh=/6iiLFDZffPoBW+Rwpo6HFGis4hFnfK0M2ovptawTK0=; b=u8RHirieCM0nGXWF+uoSjMmcC6XOIYxf3OLwwzXDBaWgpWlHSQ4SQs1RQ/PF4vry2P VdWP3zA1fFLnyOqEcibhuWqDp4uHoCHIpFjCZtPioIQ8C9BZ3e3a8RtfvVMsg38llYRv t2S+7IdkkyKA9KdNtXwT66JmiCBH4jSCR9igrDwJ1smJ1rmC/3YqJjMXv0eI1BtQ8QWf iQRGQ2y1XRso2AJ+7mBBo6Bv6kEJDiSDPx+BYIrHYxFATMtLbEDAeO4zyzMNgfS1xpb4 8S0gyuoumsPfJ41o/BejV8pQlbj8TPZ46bTKJ/ZrJI3ehklgOw51ahD7UFSlrHTiEz8/ XTHQ== Received: by 10.152.145.41 with SMTP id sr9mr1923924lab.25.1339680800794; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (dsl-173-206-76-92.tor.primus.ca. [173.206.76.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hi14sm7516348lab.4.2012.06.14.06.33.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FD9E81A.6090501@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 09:33:14 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120428 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Bush References: <20120614115710.GA9622@miek.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120614-0, 14/06/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org, xml2rfc Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] spacing out X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:33:35 -0000 That should be . Small 'b' to start 'blankLines'. Works for me all the time. On 14/06/2012 8:00 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >>> how do i get a list element that has more than one paragraph? e.g. >>> >>> >>> I can not do a close of the t after this or it will create >>> a new list element. So I try >>> >>> But it does not work. I do not get a space between the two >>> paragraphs. >> >> should't that be: > > it demanded > > and did the same, no fix > > randy > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > From julian.reschke@gmx.de Thu Jun 14 06:37:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0FE21F8668 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:37:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.649 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JJDyUVMj7zFJ for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C9EF021F8657 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:37:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Jun 2012 13:37:10 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 14 Jun 2012 15:37:10 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18k28BWHVEk62x5t7joVRnkZfq9naA6v+YpZLiaLT PnuHA07wwy6fTq Message-ID: <4FD9E904.109@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 15:37:08 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120604 Thunderbird/13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Taylor References: <20120614115710.GA9622@miek.nl> <4FD9E81A.6090501@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD9E81A.6090501@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org, xml2rfc