3GPP TR 25-927 Solutions for energy saving within UTRA Node B

From jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Mon Jul 2 07:40:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFE721F85CC for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 07:40:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.300, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MOa06JlAzUqJ for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 07:40:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.lcs.mit.edu (mercury.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.122]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA34221F85B5 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 07:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 11178) id 72B3A18C0A4; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:41:02 -0400 (EDT) To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Message-Id: <20120702144102.72B3A18C0A4@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:41:02 -0400 (EDT) From: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 08:44:58 -0700 Cc: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: [xml2rfc] Footnotes? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 14:40:58 -0000 Maybe I missed it in reading through all the doc, but is there any way to do a footnote? (If not, I guess I can manually float it down to the end of the section, if I'm using the output type where each section starts at the head of a new page.) Oh, while I'm sending this, let me add that it's mildly irritating that in the initial author element, one is only allowed a single initial, i.e. I can't do: As usual, the world is prejudiced against those of us who use their middle names! Vaguely expected of paper forms, but computers should be more flexible. And I too was bitten by not being able to have Appendixes before the References (as are several IDs co-workers are working on). Please, let authors figure out which ordering works best for their document. Noel PS: Please CC me on any replies, I'm not on the mailing list. From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Jul 2 09:04:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1064D21F871A for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:04:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.165 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.165 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.566, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hfIzAY8fZ-Mq for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 100C821F8692 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Jul 2012 16:04:54 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp069) with SMTP; 02 Jul 2012 18:04:54 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/lScJtPYPluRP8iVTUwwxRwob+A20OTP/mkxD7/+ gMcaPf4WbHiy+j Message-ID: <4FF1C6A6.1020803@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:04:54 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Noel Chiappa References: <20120702144102.72B3A18C0A4@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20120702144102.72B3A18C0A4@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Footnotes? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:04:59 -0000 On 2012-07-02 16:41, Noel Chiappa wrote: > Maybe I missed it in reading through all the doc, but is there any way to do a > footnote? (If not, I guess I can manually float it down to the end of the > section, if I'm using the output type where each section starts at the head of > a new page.) No, there is no footnote support (and I believe there shouldn't be one, as we're trying to move away from page-oriented design). > Oh, while I'm sending this, let me add that it's mildly irritating that in the > initial author element, one is only allowed a single initial, i.e. I can't do: > > I don't see anything wrong with the above (well, except for missing whitespace between "J." and "N."). > As usual, the world is prejudiced against those of us who use their middle > names! Vaguely expected of paper forms, but computers should be more flexible. > > And I too was bitten by not being able to have Appendixes before the References > (as are several IDs co-workers are working on). Please, let authors figure out > which ordering works best for their document. I'd like the documents to be consistent; is there a particular reason why the default is a problem? > PS: Please CC me on any replies, I'm not on the mailing list. Ack, but please consider joining. Best regards, Julian From nico@cryptonector.com Mon Jul 2 09:20:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125A821F8741 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:20:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.121, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HxQgwtvZvsJI for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdccac.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.202]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B5421F86C9 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED99A1E05C for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:20:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cryptonector.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc: content-type; q=dns; s=cryptonector.com; b=TQTgMQg3ivHFnyWpqL9ha PpZJ7g8wWJjTWc7rfarD4s3ZYtUE+Eggj4MW9opKZKDvUm2ibyaBL6s8eetkH0fG 7tjPzIVCb3Nfvfk19wcRI988+VUQYDpdwnB/DY7RjbBP+1uKvHBts6FLESWqO6Qa MLTpNkN8mGYSiic8DSTw4s= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type; s=cryptonector.com; bh=mHdv1A6Yxe75/m+MDkuc CqAk4rc=; b=fK2dG4kOe4FC1sVAT4U0YSeEMS2Gfy4kde664X9UGcn6oa/MqgF1 p88iOAQzcf8OcTi4ZXweg84N1YJO2z2kZzEcIRp2IC6/Ch24Wbnik5AoJWpTY9nP uFa4XrlPJ+TQRrRk0oNxVWO7gALYpQava+cOBCrOpBsZ1WK/KKUstqk= Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com (mail-vc0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a95.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B42881E00D for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by vcqp1 with SMTP id p1so4003206vcq.31 for ; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:20:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.19.133 with SMTP id f5mr5335312vde.41.1341246047068; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.76.203 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:20:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FF1C6A6.1020803@gmx.de> References: <20120702144102.72B3A18C0A4@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <4FF1C6A6.1020803@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 11:20:46 -0500 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Julian Reschke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org, Noel Chiappa Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Footnotes? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:20:43 -0000 On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > No, there is no footnote support (and I believe there shouldn't be one, as > we're trying to move away from page-oriented design). Er, why? I mean, with e-readers there's still something close to a page, and footnotes in books still get rendered properly. It's only with web pages that this is not true -- a major use case, for sure, but even if we do get rid of pagination for the HTML rendering, the footnotes could get collected into one section at the end. Indeed, s, if not made to render inline, get grouped together and approximate footnotes. Nico -- From jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Mon Jul 2 09:20:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0817821F8705 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:20:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.339 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.339 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.260, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tI0u328zrO0D for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.lcs.mit.edu (mercury.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.122]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F47921F8702 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 11178) id 5849918C0B2; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:20:57 -0400 (EDT) To: julian.reschke@gmx.de Message-Id: <20120702162057.5849918C0B2@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:20:57 -0400 (EDT) From: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org, jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Footnotes? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:20:53 -0000 > From: Julian Reschke > No, there is no footnote support (and I believe there shouldn't be one, > as we're trying to move away from page-oriented design). I understand, but I wish there was some place to exile less-pressing text to. Some texts (e.g. many books, Wikipedia articles) have separate 'footnote' sections at the end which are separate from 'source notes' sections (a.k.a. References), so it's not just always 'to the bottom of the page'. I personally don't like the 'at the end of the book' for footnotes, as I have to keep flipping back and forth - ditto for the Wikipedia style: scroll up, scroll down, repeat 172 times. It wouldn't be so bad if they were implemented (on web pages) as 'tooltips' (i.e. wave your mouse over it, and you get a tiny little pop-up window), but in a non-paginated ASCII file, what can one do? > I don't see anything wrong with the above (well, except for missing > whitespace between "J." and "N."). When I tried that (I started with "J. N.", and also tried "J. N.", it truncated it to 'J. Chiappa' in the header page in the output. (Tries it again to make sure he wasn't dreaming.) Yup, truncates to "J.". > I'd like the documents to be consistent; is there a particular reason > why the default is a problem? Sometimes it's ugly, and then the appendices before the references makes more sense. Also, as someone said, having the references before the (variable length/number) appendixes, which maybe lengthy means the references are in fact not in a fixed, easily-findable, location. Noel From tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com Mon Jul 2 09:26:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC02F21F8758 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:26:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZK4gRsgB9tCA for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:26:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16ADC21F873B for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:26:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbgo11 with SMTP id go11so8522076lbb.31 for ; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:26:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-antivirus:x-antivirus-status; bh=ke9UydxwKI9V+5inYzf8aJOyziGl4mb/S+dNi3pOefU=; b=sWKp+Lin5txo80UkbLbi9TOOu7Tp3De7N/cQSKMfkRVsVmjk74hUy+fsLVG95lN88T OzR3LqK4ZD8CHsI1OW5ivb0+CAc1ctA451I+eav4GTw78jktaPGP3Uxy5n9+iul6S5ft QgNef4AlMzv2mDjVGGPaQ4lQHy1ZIwICIM9+WcJuDDdi3N11nWg3FhArqkZQcFpDeLnk MhmyszXk3eYts9p5BMaX7AARkx4dglS0nZvAs9TuhJnI/Jg8vSasOCMhU7vMexWIkCnM SsuIjKsV+dhQpgs0L41EHXDFXK7ibcURtijWUSwNWpFF298rc3KrdeKbE5hUKcHkYLNc CVAQ== Received: by 10.112.100.234 with SMTP id fb10mr6527702lbb.12.1341246416388; Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([207.112.119.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j3sm11048369lbh.0.2012.07.02.09.26.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 02 Jul 2012 09:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FF1CBCE.8010400@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:26:54 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Noel Chiappa References: <20120702162057.5849918C0B2@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20120702162057.5849918C0B2@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120702-1, 02/07/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Footnotes? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:26:53 -0000 My solution for less-pressing text is to indent it in a separate paragraph via . On 02/07/2012 12:20 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Julian Reschke > > > No, there is no footnote support (and I believe there shouldn't be one, > > as we're trying to move away from page-oriented design). > > I understand, but I wish there was some place to exile less-pressing text to. > Some texts (e.g. many books, Wikipedia articles) have separate 'footnote' > sections at the end which are separate from 'source notes' sections (a.k.a. > References), so it's not just always 'to the bottom of the page'. > > I personally don't like the 'at the end of the book' for footnotes, as I have > to keep flipping back and forth - ditto for the Wikipedia style: scroll up, > scroll down, repeat 172 times. > > It wouldn't be so bad if they were implemented (on web pages) as 'tooltips' > (i.e. wave your mouse over it, and you get a tiny little pop-up window), but > in a non-paginated ASCII file, what can one do? > ... From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Jul 2 09:37:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B97621F86C5 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:37:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.076 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.076 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.477, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v41Sb+EIT9BT for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:37:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 26B4B21F86B6 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Jul 2012 16:37:57 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp032) with SMTP; 02 Jul 2012 18:37:57 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/ec1hfSEHeBwYDoYuaRmf/yWvfryj/k9HwSaCM+M ZuUhUcNyKmBNgu Message-ID: <4FF1CE62.9070401@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:37:54 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Noel Chiappa References: <20120702162057.5849918C0B2@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20120702162057.5849918C0B2@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Footnotes? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:37:54 -0000 On 2012-07-02 18:20, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Julian Reschke > > > No, there is no footnote support (and I believe there shouldn't be one, > > as we're trying to move away from page-oriented design). > > I understand, but I wish there was some place to exile less-pressing text to. > Some texts (e.g. many books, Wikipedia articles) have separate 'footnote' > sections at the end which are separate from 'source notes' sections (a.k.a. > References), so it's not just always 'to the bottom of the page'. > > I personally don't like the 'at the end of the book' for footnotes, as I have > to keep flipping back and forth - ditto for the Wikipedia style: scroll up, > scroll down, repeat 172 times. > > It wouldn't be so bad if they were implemented (on web pages) as 'tooltips' > (i.e. wave your mouse over it, and you get a tiny little pop-up window), but > in a non-paginated ASCII file, what can one do? Rendering in paged plain text indeed is the biggest problem, because it makes the layout engine much more complex. > > I don't see anything wrong with the above (well, except for missing > > whitespace between "J." and "N."). > > When I tried that (I started with "J. N.", and also tried "J. N.", it > truncated it to 'J. Chiappa' in the header page in the output. (Tries it > again to make sure he wasn't dreaming.) Yup, truncates to "J.". Which version of xml2rfc are you trying? > > I'd like the documents to be consistent; is there a particular reason > > why the default is a problem? > > Sometimes it's ugly, and then the appendices before the references makes more > sense. > > Also, as someone said, having the references before the (variable > length/number) appendixes, which maybe lengthy means the references are in > fact not in a fixed, easily-findable, location. Maybe. In any case, it would be awesome if we could avoid to make this variable; maybe the other default would be better. I recommend you bring that up on the rfc-interest mailing list. Best regards, Julian From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Jul 2 09:53:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FD621F871D for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:53:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.994 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.994 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.395, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ta7zopzqc4gj for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FD1C21F869E for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Jul 2012 16:53:37 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp016) with SMTP; 02 Jul 2012 18:53:37 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Prdwh5CmP1aLHvzP40gqLSlxbU2kH41qnYlXNnm EQGdp5Zfa1230E Message-ID: <4FF1D210.7020603@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:53:36 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Noel Chiappa References: <20120702162057.5849918C0B2@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> <4FF1CE62.9070401@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4FF1CE62.9070401@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: [xml2rfc] initials handling X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:53:34 -0000 On 2012-07-02 18:37, Julian Reschke wrote: > ... >> > I don't see anything wrong with the above (well, except for >> missing >> > whitespace between "J." and "N."). >> >> When I tried that (I started with "J. N.", and also tried >> "J. N.", it >> truncated it to 'J. Chiappa' in the header page in the output. (Tries it >> again to make sure he wasn't dreaming.) Yup, truncates to "J.". > > Which version of xml2rfc are you trying? > ... In the meantime I recalled that this is ; so this is a RFC style requirement; If you don't like it you should bring it up on rfc-interest mailing list as well... Best regards, Julian From jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Mon Jul 2 09:58:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACA221F85A0 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:58:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.217, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pxhAKzZqyDLs for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.lcs.mit.edu (mercury.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.122]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB0B21F8595 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 09:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 11178) id 3F58218C0B2; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:58:05 -0400 (EDT) To: julian.reschke@gmx.de Message-Id: <20120702165805.3F58218C0B2@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 12:58:05 -0400 (EDT) From: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org, jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Footnotes? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:58:00 -0000 > From: Julian Reschke > In any case, it would be awesome if we could avoid to make this > variable I guess I don't see why - do you really think the world will notice much if some RFCs have 'appendixes - references' and others have 'references - appendixes'? I mean, a quick look at the TOC will tell them where things are. (I see, looking at a sample TOC, that the References have a section number, and the Appendixes don't - is that the issue, that if you reverse the order, doing the number is problematic? I would just not have a section number on the References: other sections - Abstact, Author's Address, etc - don't.) > maybe the other default would be better. Definitely. If we have to have only one, put the Appendices first. > I recommend you bring that up on the rfc-interest mailing list. In my copious free time... :-) Noel From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Jul 2 10:06:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289C721F85C5 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:06:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.916 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.916 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.317, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bn+q10N3Lvhw for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:06:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E393221F8587 for ; Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Jul 2012 17:06:07 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp029) with SMTP; 02 Jul 2012 19:06:07 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/uLX5RKgTuRYIZWDAu6A4C9Q4tJyEjcfxrkVMYLE SYMOoZQnxeZCXf Message-ID: <4FF1D4FE.2030500@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:06:06 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Noel Chiappa References: <20120702165805.3F58218C0B2@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20120702165805.3F58218C0B2@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Footnotes? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:06:04 -0000 On 2012-07-02 18:58, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Julian Reschke > > > In any case, it would be awesome if we could avoid to make this > > variable > > I guess I don't see why - do you really think the world will notice much if > some RFCs have 'appendixes - references' and others have 'references - > appendixes'? I mean, a quick look at the TOC will tell them where things are. > > (I see, looking at a sample TOC, that the References have a section number, > and the Appendixes don't - is that the issue, that if you reverse the order, The Appendixes are "Numbered" as well (A, B, C, ...) > doing the number is problematic? I would just not have a section number on the > References: other sections - Abstact, Author's Address, etc - don't.) Well, it's a format change; we would need to update quite a few tools. We may want to address these questions once we make progress with the new formats. > > maybe the other default would be better. > > Definitely. If we have to have only one, put the Appendices first. > > > I recommend you bring that up on the rfc-interest mailing list. > > In my copious free time... :-) > > Noel > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > From jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Tue Jul 3 07:58:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E304C21F8826 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:58:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.206 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.206 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.021, BAYES_40=-0.185, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iTVGErrp5KWM for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.lcs.mit.edu (mercury.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.122]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0796C21F854F for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:58:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 11178) id F17A218C0C3; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 10:58:51 -0400 (EDT) To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Message-Id: <20120703145851.F17A218C0C3@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 10:58:51 -0400 (EDT) From: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) Cc: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: [xml2rfc] Symbol list spacing X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:58:46 -0000 I'm going to guess that there's no (easy) way to suppress the double-space between the symbol and the list element text, e.g.: - Robust - Efficient - Fast right? (Back to for them, I guess...) Noel From jabley@hopcount.ca Tue Jul 3 08:05:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235AB21F8874 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:05:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.392 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.392 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.207, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E0MDxN2Jb+X7 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hopcount.ca (mail.hopcount.ca [216.235.14.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80CD321F8865 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2001:4900:1042:100:4ce7:599d:3afd:a3a0] by mail.hopcount.ca with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Sm4fo-000AYw-TC; Tue, 03 Jul 2012 15:05:58 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Joe Abley In-Reply-To: <20120703145851.F17A218C0C3@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 11:05:51 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20120703145851.F17A218C0C3@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> To: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Symbol list spacing X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 15:05:53 -0000 On 2012-07-03, at 10:58, Noel Chiappa wrote: > I'm going to guess that there's no (easy) way to suppress the = double-space > between the symbol and the list element text, e.g.: >=20 > - Robust > - Efficient > - Fast >=20 > right? (Back to for them, I guess...) Seems to me that one of the advantages of having IETF documentation = produced as structured (XML) documents is that we have a way to mine = them which is independent of presentation. Another is that we retain the = ability to change the presentation format (to a different publication = format, or due to changed style guidelines) without having to = substantially edit the source, which might cause editorial issues to be = raised. When I write I-Ds I try hard to avoid elements for things that = are not actually artwork for these reasons. The presentation style (to = me) is less important than the content. Joe= From julian.reschke@gmx.de Tue Jul 3 08:08:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C1E21F8885 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:08:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.298, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BJvMJ3gcDCU9 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5464B21F8883 for ; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 08:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Jul 2012 15:08:24 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp012) with SMTP; 03 Jul 2012 17:08:24 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18lredz5z0l/e/myHwUOHffMzb2v5LOKHuMsk8Jfp /y6rdiLnlXNVOR Message-ID: <4FF30AE6.1050606@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 17:08:22 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Noel Chiappa References: <20120703145851.F17A218C0C3@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20120703145851.F17A218C0C3@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Symbol list spacing X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 15:08:19 -0000 On 2012-07-03 16:58, Noel Chiappa wrote: > I'm going to guess that there's no (easy) way to suppress the double-space > between the symbol and the list element text, e.g.: > > - Robust > - Efficient > - Fast Yes. > right? (Back to for them, I guess...) No. That makes it just harder for the RFC production center to convert to nroff; it probably is less work to just ask for less whitespace during AUTH48. Optimally, we wouldn't waste our time with this; seriously. It should be up to the production center to figure out the right format, and they should do it consistently. Best regards, Julian From russw@riw.us Thu Jul 5 06:07:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8084A21F853B for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 06:07:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.67 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.67 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.930, BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06+sH19jf7xR for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 06:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from da31.namelessnet.net (da31.namelessnet.net [74.124.205.66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F56421F84D3 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 06:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cpe-065-190-156-032.nc.res.rr.com ([65.190.156.32] helo=[192.168.100.51]) by da31.namelessnet.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Smlmq-0001ij-G7 for xml2rfc@ietf.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 06:08:00 -0700 Message-ID: <4FF591B2.1050100@riw.us> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 09:08:02 -0400 From: Russ White User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Seems clean. You should still use an Antivirus Scanner Subject: [xml2rfc] Question on Reference Error X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 13:07:48 -0000 What does this mean, and how do I fix it? == [Error] INPUT:82:923: Attribute value "3GPP" of type IDREF must be an NCName when namespaces are enabled. [Error] INPUT:309:90: Attribute value "3GPP" of type ID must be an NCName when namespaces are enabled. == This is the reference... == 3GPP TR 25-927 Solutions for energy saving within UTRA Node B 3GPP == Any ideas? Russ -- <>< riwhite@verisign.com russw@riw.us From julian.reschke@gmx.de Thu Jul 5 06:38:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C50BC21F85CE for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 06:38:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.766 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.766 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.167, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2wXQdn--ZO+s for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 06:38:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AC1121F85C9 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 06:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Jul 2012 13:39:09 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp035) with SMTP; 05 Jul 2012 15:39:09 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+M694NwB6Mv+2r13tTHkZQqrbNDis48S67u8raDe 64pbUuiKoEHW0O Message-ID: <4FF598F6.4080708@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:39:02 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ White References: <4FF591B2.1050100@riw.us> In-Reply-To: <4FF591B2.1050100@riw.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Question on Reference Error X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 13:38:58 -0000 On 2012-07-05 15:08, Russ White wrote: > > What does this mean, and how do I fix it? > > == > [Error] INPUT:82:923: Attribute value "3GPP" of type IDREF must be an > NCName when namespaces are enabled. > [Error] INPUT:309:90: Attribute value "3GPP" of type ID must be an > NCName when namespaces are enabled. > == > > This is the reference... > > == > target='http://3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/html-info/25927.htm'> > > 3GPP TR 25-927 Solutions for energy saving within UTRA Node B > > 3GPP > > > > > == > > Any ideas? The anchor element is an XML identifier, and those can not start with digits. Best regards, Julian From jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Fri Jul 6 11:56:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486E111E80A5 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:56:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.079 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.079 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.894, BAYES_40=-0.185, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w+ahqMZhpXxR for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mercury.lcs.mit.edu (mercury.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.122]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB9111E8079 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 11:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 11178) id 7CEFF18C110; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 14:56:56 -0400 (EDT) To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Message-Id: <20120706185656.7CEFF18C110@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 14:56:56 -0400 (EDT) From: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu (Noel Chiappa) Cc: jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Subject: [xml2rfc] xref inside cref X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 18:56:41 -0000 It's very mildly unfortunate that cross section references (xref) inside a cref don't work - not a big deal, one can always write it out the target section name. Noel From julian.reschke@gmx.de Fri Jul 6 12:09:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E609E11E80AD for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 12:09:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.066 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.066 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.467, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MiWL9qDzX5PX for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 12:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E7E9E11E809F for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 12:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 06 Jul 2012 19:10:05 -0000 Received: from p5DD96F2D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [93.217.111.45] by mail.gmx.net (mp010) with SMTP; 06 Jul 2012 21:10:05 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19RzFhmEFVRnOZAY1J6pAV841dq6oe/RGl8Q3Bu0B v2KVXqIWldZe46 Message-ID: <4FF73805.4000302@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 21:09:57 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Noel Chiappa References: <20120706185656.7CEFF18C110@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20120706185656.7CEFF18C110@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] xref inside cref X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 19:09:51 -0000 On 2012-07-06 20:56, Noel Chiappa wrote: > It's very mildly unfortunate that cross section references (xref) inside a > cref don't work - not a big deal, one can always write it out the target > section name. > ... Indeed. You can run cleanup-for-DTD.xslt (contained in rfc2629.xslt) as a pre-processor, then you can. Best regards, Julian From rgm@htt-consult.com Mon Jul 9 09:43:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D3211E8146 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:43:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Uh8hmfio1hA for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from klovia.htt-consult.com (klovia.htt-consult.com [208.83.67.149]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F3811E8137 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by klovia.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A10C62A82 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:43:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at localhost Received: from klovia.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (klovia.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KkmW18f775Au for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx120e.htt-consult.com (157.67.83.208.client.htt-consult.com [208.83.67.157]) (Authenticated sender: rgm@htt-consult.com) by klovia.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A2C4062A68 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4FFB0A2E.8030108@htt-consult.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 12:43:26 -0400 From: Robert Moskowitz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xml2rfc] Trying to switch to strick checking, and problems with referenced file X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:43:41 -0000 I am to switch to strick checking via http://xml.resource.org/index.html and got the following error: [Fatal Error] INPUT:45:4: The markup declarations contained or pointed to by the document type declaration must be well-formed. That means, line 45, correct? Well it is: BTW, line 44 is: brainpool ECC --> I deleted line 44 and got past that error, so how SHOULD I comment out line 44? From tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com Mon Jul 9 09:51:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CCB21F86DD for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:51:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O1mnJbqZ0wSi for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0BE21F86DC for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:51:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bkty7 with SMTP id y7so2937050bkt.31 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:51:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-antivirus:x-antivirus-status; bh=6yWqnrre7/fZkWkKKP/xA+y1FOVZMFok8/4TLK4/4hs=; b=svpSEjLx3xmjzh3YAcLQOdWbMBHt1gBL8YqykpF6Aq+pFpFktoYBczRJzmeKsUL+tr RFolQ5GoRDogFh6IHWbzcdAzW5EG8AwxnJBvrhmA+2y+6LaYP0qg8/SEKPw7KPvL2AfD paZkDJy9LhkiPZ2pvY9rzPPy5sZnGQpago29yb4wY7EZRWNu1z2wYgapilGgapf6bM1j 8A2OAWIZ6MG8xr+/oJ8m/SjTc5i/SZCkRY9ATPX9KTKqXgsTOsWdd2MZdiStuxHBBlYC tPexd24oPy9KXuRAy8IJtPyswyyiY1UXZjulHz13RhDw4nx6yqfOuBBYr9S6JTwjkgga MKew== Received: by 10.204.136.215 with SMTP id s23mr19868999bkt.32.1341852699403; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([207.112.101.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e20sm26730122bkv.10.2012.07.09.09.51.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:51:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FFB0C06.4050000@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 12:51:18 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Moskowitz References: <4FFB0A2E.8030108@htt-consult.com> In-Reply-To: <4FFB0A2E.8030108@htt-consult.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120709-0, 09/07/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Trying to switch to strick checking, and problems with referenced file X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:51:16 -0000 How about just <-- RFC5639 --> ? On 09/07/2012 12:43 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I am to switch to strick checking via http://xml.resource.org/index.html > and got the following error: > > [Fatal Error] INPUT:45:4: The markup declarations contained or pointed > to by the document type declaration must be well-formed. > > That means, line 45, correct? Well it is: > > "http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.5702.xml" > > > BTW, line 44 is: > > "http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.5639.xml" > > brainpool ECC --> > > I deleted line 44 and got past that error, so how SHOULD I comment out > line 44? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > From rgm@htt-consult.com Mon Jul 9 09:51:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A187A21F86DD for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:51:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_24=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DAWlCCOU7SIW for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from klovia.htt-consult.com (klovia.htt-consult.com [208.83.67.149]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCD321F86DC for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by klovia.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D38362A82 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:51:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at localhost Received: from klovia.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (klovia.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EcrX8UVgS7ck for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx120e.htt-consult.com (157.67.83.208.client.htt-consult.com [208.83.67.157]) (Authenticated sender: rgm@htt-consult.com) by klovia.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1FD6C62A68 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4FFB0BFE.5060400@htt-consult.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 12:51:10 -0400 From: Robert Moskowitz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xml2rfc] NCName? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:51:18 -0000 More progress in implementing Strict checking. I have the following errors: [Error] INPUT:749:36: Attribute value "fig:bex-simple" of type IDREF must be an NCName when namespaces are enabled. [Error] INPUT:755:40: Attribute value "fig:bex-simple" of type ID must be an NCName when namespaces are enabled. [Error] INPUT:1971:63: Attribute value "fig:states" of type IDREF must be an NCName when namespaces are enabled. [Error] INPUT:1976:38: Attribute value "fig:states" of type ID must be an NCName when namespaces are enabled. What is an NCName? for the first error the line in question is: The base exchange is illustrated below in. The term "key" Further down is:

And finally, what does: [Error] INPUT:2475:10: The content of element type "t" must match "(list|figure|xref|eref|iref|cref|spanx|vspace)". mean? Lines are: The process for defining new parameters is described in of this document. From tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com Mon Jul 9 09:52:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13FE21F87D3 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:52:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yGhbGhsI1XLH for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7448E21F87C4 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bkty7 with SMTP id y7so2937958bkt.31 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:52:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-antivirus:x-antivirus-status; bh=HbRTDpdrbIw0H/WVUUzOPCTP85NTK28PlXim1LnFOIY=; b=UEPUWDkUWADAGjoe+WyBkRrKvRvP0SPKKWB2fLt/mBxpgwQWtgiHUuNbdxxeyOMBNa 2Qu05Cqz7X9Fl/80FSvp1i5ZsHpkOWwLsigba/684ZY/xrHGvkIFgrN23KJytJ/lcp6P akrmaaG7CKZimhbuv/QTN/yvsvrDOJtDih9GcV6h8mK7iXEPik5RHeSAc+Haeie4gSJS VdhXCvgPvHCIdLb4SK8LoMWDX/+90xchwOlKOeFkOvHtzEgrFyM1iYNrRL1U/KG52CyM 8NZQFQcPwaYJlUAR+SLtYgFKCEh7pi/x6TCqVqLVGd7GlaRKA1AE0+i63kx1Ibt/KdLl Q10g== Received: by 10.204.128.196 with SMTP id l4mr5566921bks.21.1341852761097; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([207.112.101.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n5sm26723322bkv.14.2012.07.09.09.52.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 09:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FFB0C56.4040808@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 12:52:38 -0400 From: Tom Taylor User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Moskowitz References: <4FFB0A2E.8030108@htt-consult.com> <4FFB0C06.4050000@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FFB0C06.4050000@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120709-0, 09/07/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Trying to switch to strick checking, and problems with referenced file X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:52:18 -0000 Oops, I mean On 09/07/2012 12:51 PM, Tom Taylor wrote: > How about just <-- RFC5639 --> ? > > On 09/07/2012 12:43 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> I am to switch to strick checking via http://xml.resource.org/index.html >> and got the following error: >> >> [Fatal Error] INPUT:45:4: The markup declarations contained or pointed >> to by the document type declaration must be well-formed. >> >> That means, line 45, correct? Well it is: >> >> > "http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.5702.xml" > >> >> BTW, line 44 is: >> >> > "http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.5639.xml" > >> brainpool ECC --> >> >> I deleted line 44 and got past that error, so how SHOULD I comment out >> line 44? >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> xml2rfc mailing list >> xml2rfc@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc >> > From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Jul 9 09:56:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3957B21F882C for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:56:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.996, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xxEMeUuxrKGO for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:56:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 033CD21F882B for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Jul 2012 16:56:49 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp037) with SMTP; 09 Jul 2012 18:56:49 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/ZZZwZJA7ZkW5VRuKAuFOADOK33I38j+vqMbfmDd qmO77AZfXeywD5 Message-ID: <4FFB0D4D.4080900@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 18:56:45 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Moskowitz References: <4FFB0A2E.8030108@htt-consult.com> In-Reply-To: <4FFB0A2E.8030108@htt-consult.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Trying to switch to strick checking, and problems with referenced file X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:56:26 -0000 On 2012-07-09 18:43, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I am to switch to strick checking via http://xml.resource.org/index.html > and got the following error: > > [Fatal Error] INPUT:45:4: The markup declarations contained or pointed > to by the document type declaration must be well-formed. > > That means, line 45, correct? Well it is: > > "http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.5702.xml" > > > BTW, line 44 is: > > "http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.5639.xml" > > brainpool ECC --> > > I deleted line 44 and got past that error, so how SHOULD I comment out > line 44? By commenting out properly: Best regards, Julian From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Jul 9 09:59:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1967411E80EA for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:59:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.250, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_24=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2yKt8w+x+LLD for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2FF0211E80E8 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 09:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Jul 2012 16:59:32 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp040) with SMTP; 09 Jul 2012 18:59:32 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/ohdItYzXoYQwAiEgria6zwKwic1TasmL/Vq1mI+ UuKOH2au0iHBIF Message-ID: <4FFB0DF1.5000508@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 18:59:29 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Moskowitz References: <4FFB0BFE.5060400@htt-consult.com> In-Reply-To: <4FFB0BFE.5060400@htt-consult.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] NCName? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 16:59:09 -0000 On 2012-07-09 18:51, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > More progress in implementing Strict checking. I have the following > errors: > > [Error] INPUT:749:36: Attribute value "fig:bex-simple" of type IDREF > must be an NCName when namespaces are enabled. > [Error] INPUT:755:40: Attribute value "fig:bex-simple" of type ID must > be an NCName when namespaces are enabled. > [Error] INPUT:1971:63: Attribute value "fig:states" of type IDREF must > be an NCName when namespaces are enabled. > [Error] INPUT:1976:38: Attribute value "fig:states" of type ID must be > an NCName when namespaces are enabled. > > > What is an NCName? for the first error the line in question is: : 'An XML Name, minus the ":"' > The base exchange is illustrated below in target="fig:bex-simple" />. The term "key" > > Further down is: > >

> > > And finally, what does: > > [Error] INPUT:2475:10: The content of element type "t" must match > "(list|figure|xref|eref|iref|cref|spanx|vspace)". > > > mean? Lines are: > > > The process for defining new parameters is described in target="newparameter"/> of this document. > That looks ok to me; the problem is likely somewhere else. (feel free to send me the complete document in private mail for checking) Best regards, Julian From rgm@htt-consult.com Mon Jul 9 10:08:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248B811E80FE for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:08:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xCENgpGXMJ95 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from klovia.htt-consult.com (klovia.htt-consult.com [208.83.67.149]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D4C11E80E8 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by klovia.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C7462ABA; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:08:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at localhost Received: from klovia.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (klovia.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wt3jk3Zle97c; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx120e.htt-consult.com (157.67.83.208.client.htt-consult.com [208.83.67.157]) (Authenticated sender: rgm@htt-consult.com) by klovia.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C68D862A82; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4FFB0FF3.1020802@htt-consult.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:08:03 -0400 From: Robert Moskowitz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Taylor References: <4FFB0A2E.8030108@htt-consult.com> <4FFB0C06.4050000@gmail.com> <4FFB0C56.4040808@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FFB0C56.4040808@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Trying to switch to strick checking, and problems with referenced file X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:08:16 -0000 On 07/09/2012 12:52 PM, Tom Taylor wrote: > Oops, I mean Just in case for some reason we add the reference back in, I guess. When it was decided to take the RFC out as a referenced it just seemed easier to turn it into a comment but leave the full line in. BTW, I had an error with: but not with: brainpool ECC --> Something about not liking -- in the comment (but I only had to change the first one, not the second). > > On 09/07/2012 12:51 PM, Tom Taylor wrote: >> How about just <-- RFC5639 --> ? >> >> On 09/07/2012 12:43 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>> I am to switch to strick checking via >>> http://xml.resource.org/index.html >>> and got the following error: >>> >>> [Fatal Error] INPUT:45:4: The markup declarations contained or pointed >>> to by the document type declaration must be well-formed. >>> >>> That means, line 45, correct? Well it is: >>> >>> >> "http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.5702.xml" > >>> >>> BTW, line 44 is: >>> >>> >> "http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.5639.xml" > >>> brainpool ECC --> >>> >>> I deleted line 44 and got past that error, so how SHOULD I comment out >>> line 44? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> xml2rfc mailing list >>> xml2rfc@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc >>> >> > > From rgm@htt-consult.com Mon Jul 9 10:12:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4536811E8137 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:12:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YXeqODVLSEuB for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from klovia.htt-consult.com (klovia.htt-consult.com [208.83.67.149]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9A411E8122 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by klovia.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8648062ABA; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:12:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at localhost Received: from klovia.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (klovia.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hTk3-ncHOsvY; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx120e.htt-consult.com (157.67.83.208.client.htt-consult.com [208.83.67.157]) (Authenticated sender: rgm@htt-consult.com) by klovia.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3CEC862A82; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:12:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4FFB10DF.9030809@htt-consult.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:11:59 -0400 From: Robert Moskowitz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4FFB0A2E.8030108@htt-consult.com> <4FFB0D4D.4080900@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4FFB0D4D.4080900@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Trying to switch to strick checking, and problems with referenced file X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:12:07 -0000 On 07/09/2012 12:56 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2012-07-09 18:43, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> I am to switch to strick checking via http://xml.resource.org/index.html >> and got the following error: >> >> [Fatal Error] INPUT:45:4: The markup declarations contained or pointed >> to by the document type declaration must be well-formed. >> >> That means, line 45, correct? Well it is: >> >> > "http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.5702.xml" > >> >> BTW, line 44 is: >> >> > "http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.5639.xml" > >> brainpool ECC --> >> >> I deleted line 44 and got past that error, so how SHOULD I comment out >> line 44? > > By commenting out properly: > > That gets the error: [Fatal Error] INPUT:45:10: The string "--" is not permitted within comments. From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Jul 9 10:22:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D2511E8170 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:22:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.899, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b6mZj5gj8RPe for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E39A11E816C for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Jul 2012 17:23:07 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp037) with SMTP; 09 Jul 2012 19:23:07 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/mlIUf1kHmmCmCYs3rXQNjj8qlQI16167HFa++Wc PhgVgutyWFWrYu Message-ID: <4FFB1378.9000800@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 19:23:04 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Moskowitz References: <4FFB0A2E.8030108@htt-consult.com> <4FFB0D4D.4080900@gmx.de> <4FFB10DF.9030809@htt-consult.com> In-Reply-To: <4FFB10DF.9030809@htt-consult.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Trying to switch to strick checking, and problems with referenced file X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:22:49 -0000 On 2012-07-09 19:11, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> By commenting out properly: >> >> > > That gets the error: > > [Fatal Error] INPUT:45:10: The string "--" is not permitted within > comments. That appears to be a bug in xml2rfc.tcl, then. (It's correct that you can't have "--" inside the comment, but in this case it's not "inside") -> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ From rgm@htt-consult.com Mon Jul 9 10:53:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A25F11E8106 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:53:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jZwRaOkR4GuG for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from klovia.htt-consult.com (klovia.htt-consult.com [208.83.67.149]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1613411E80C8 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by klovia.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C53362A6F; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:53:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at localhost Received: from klovia.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (klovia.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bUQFtoijDGni; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx120e.htt-consult.com (157.67.83.208.client.htt-consult.com [208.83.67.157]) (Authenticated sender: rgm@htt-consult.com) by klovia.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9F98162820; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4FFB1A83.4030701@htt-consult.com> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:53:07 -0400 From: Robert Moskowitz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120430 Thunderbird/12.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <4FFB0A2E.8030108@htt-consult.com> <4FFB0D4D.4080900@gmx.de> <4FFB10DF.9030809@htt-consult.com> <4FFB1378.9000800@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <4FFB1378.9000800@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Trying to switch to strick checking, and problems with referenced file X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 17:53:21 -0000 On 07/09/2012 01:23 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2012-07-09 19:11, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>> By commenting out properly: >>> >>> >> >> That gets the error: >> >> [Fatal Error] INPUT:45:10: The string "--" is not permitted within >> comments. > > That appears to be a bug in xml2rfc.tcl, then. So you will fix this? > > (It's correct that you can't have "--" inside the comment, but in this > case it's not "inside") > > -> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ Um, why did you include this URL? It just leads to: Welcome to the xml2rfc working space From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Jul 9 11:00:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBAA21F885D for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:00:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.857, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3EPOMrTDbxeH for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F04921F8859 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Jul 2012 18:01:10 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp072) with SMTP; 09 Jul 2012 20:01:10 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1848mVX/SM4ep//C2XWFjNst3aukCTf97osoJGjnj /uwBoka1GNZkTE Message-ID: <4FFB1C61.5050501@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 20:01:05 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120614 Thunderbird/13.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Moskowitz References: <4FFB0A2E.8030108@htt-consult.com> <4FFB0D4D.4080900@gmx.de> <4FFB10DF.9030809@htt-consult.com> <4FFB1378.9000800@gmx.de> <4FFB1A83.4030701@htt-consult.com> In-Reply-To: <4FFB1A83.4030701@htt-consult.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Trying to switch to strick checking, and problems with referenced file X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: ,