From lear@cisco.com Tue Oct 2 07:00:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A2121F8501 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 07:00:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.682 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.682 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-4.942, BAYES_20=-0.74, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nU5zyOkzAcvg for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 07:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A3A21F84FC for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 07:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-3.cisco.com (ams-iport-3.cisco.com [144.254.224.146]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q92E0Umu095061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 07:00:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lear@cisco.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=437; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1349186431; x=1350396031; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:subject: content-transfer-encoding; bh=keq6ze+XXbeYViYx2sPTZ/NtC9c0YEh0dhKQ0yNzfOk=; b=Rte1hczwgaCJdNlKL+OdzWfsSb/NoMmxvf/sxjJa503WNVEC/DYX75C6 vnd9BG93WoxCmdiBtec5ldRV/vscNIZdCpYVT2ss/CYdBiBD1BC8c+Ev5 y1JzkuwxkKtKLpmVXLTcoepC7Id0K3m2PTgysX0GjuTaepymrM5JgjOkj Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EADTxalCQ/khL/2dsb2JhbABFhgu4T4EIgjkBEFU2AgUWCwILAwIBAgE/GQgBAR6HY5d6gSiNG4I7kGiBIY0kgg6BEgOVaY5CgWmCaQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,523,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="8467907" Received: from ams-core-2.cisco.com ([144.254.72.75]) by ams-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Oct 2012 14:00:24 +0000 Received: from ams3-vpn-dhcp7152.cisco.com (ams3-vpn-dhcp7152.cisco.com [10.61.91.239]) by ams-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q92E0Nrw000430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 14:00:24 GMT Message-ID: <506AF377.6020601@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:00:23 +0200 From: Eliot Lear User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@lists.xml.resource.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xml2rfc] alternative boilerplate X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:00:38 -0000 Hi, Is there a recommended way to whack in alternative boilerplate? Here's my issue. I will occasionally write a draft that I do not want posted into the drafts system, and want a way to signal that to the recipient, and perhaps even the ID upload tool. Ideally I'd like to be able to specify the copyright and some text. Ideas? Eliot ps: yes, for the moment I've whacked my copy, but it's not pretty enough to share. From julian.reschke@gmx.de Tue Oct 2 07:07:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B4521F84DC for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 07:07:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.857 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.857 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.672, BAYES_40=-0.185, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ilzlPRCdU6A8 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 07:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716B221F8458 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 07:07:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id q92E7OJr095180 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 07:07:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from julian.reschke@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Oct 2012 14:07:18 -0000 Received: from mail.greenbytes.de (EHLO [192.168.1.140]) [217.91.35.233] by mail.gmx.net (mp069) with SMTP; 02 Oct 2012 16:07:18 +0200 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19dVrwTbZhdupIlNMcc4a8ZiMVLy82ptZEBZdHr4y x4s7iEq/y3JvaO Message-ID: <506AF514.1090701@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:07:16 +0200 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eliot Lear References: <506AF377.6020601@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <506AF377.6020601@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@lists.xml.resource.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] alternative boilerplate X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:07:31 -0000 On 2012-10-02 16:00, Eliot Lear wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a recommended way to whack in alternative boilerplate? Here's > my issue. I will occasionally write a draft that I do not want posted > into the drafts system, and want a way to signal that to the recipient, The "private" processing instruction should turn off all boilerplate. You can add your own using s. > and perhaps even the ID upload tool. Ideally I'd like to be able to > specify the copyright and some text. You want to use the upload tool, but not post to the drafts system??? > Ideas? > > Eliot > ps: yes, for the moment I've whacked my copy, but it's not pretty enough > to share. Best regards, Julian From lear@cisco.com Tue Oct 2 07:20:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D6C21F84AE for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 07:20:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.485 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.485 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-3.886, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wFcrq0MB-p+l for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 07:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5FB21F849A for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 07:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q92EK7gY095369 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 07:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lear@cisco.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=729; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1349187609; x=1350397209; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/uFIEOBqJpG7c83gWUf6v6ybi9aOSTJCSChSBw7uXEA=; b=mMW6qZnMsE6L5J98Kk/oUDliYDWse64s2I5MZkfB0A+8tXgrzEWG1dLW p6IwDEOizn2W4S9z+l3YU/Hhd7YuPfqAX1Td8Qr92vzL36RnJh9dDZaOR NrE2JpbCdF12pMhKEnCbjcAuPLH6wwusTjMmx568izyw1recSJHla1gHB 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhwFALD3alCQ/khM/2dsb2JhbABFhgu1BoNJgQiCIAEBAQQSARBVARALGAICBRYLAgIJAwIBAgFFBg0BBwEBHodjmSSNG4I7kGeBIY8ygRIDlWmOQoFpgmk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.80,523,1344211200"; d="scan'208";a="77130424" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Oct 2012 14:20:01 +0000 Received: from ams3-vpn-dhcp7152.cisco.com (ams3-vpn-dhcp7152.cisco.com [10.61.91.239]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q92EJwlu013633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 2 Oct 2012 14:20:01 GMT Message-ID: <506AF80D.1040105@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:19:57 +0200 From: Eliot Lear User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <506AF377.6020601@cisco.com> <506AF514.1090701@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <506AF514.1090701@gmx.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc@lists.xml.resource.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] alternative boilerplate X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 14:20:16 -0000 Hi Julian, On 10/2/12 4:07 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2012-10-02 16:00, Eliot Lear wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Is there a recommended way to whack in alternative boilerplate? Here's >> my issue. I will occasionally write a draft that I do not want posted >> into the drafts system, and want a way to signal that to the recipient, > > The "private" processing instruction should turn off all boilerplate. > You can add your own using s. > Thanks. >> and perhaps even the ID upload tool. Ideally I'd like to be able to >> specify the copyright and some text. > > You want to use the upload tool, but not post to the drafts system??? It would just be to catch something that oughtn't be there. Eliot From dhc2@dcrocker.net Tue Oct 2 08:31:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890A021F84EE for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:31:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QjRZdeTRpCXJ for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB1B21F84B6 for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q92FV7fh096510 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:31:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhc2@dcrocker.net) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (adsl-67-127-59-48.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.127.59.48]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q92FV4iJ019535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:31:04 -0700 Message-ID: <506B08B6.7030904@dcrocker.net> Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 08:31:02 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eliot Lear References: <506AF377.6020601@cisco.com> <506AF514.1090701@gmx.de> <506AF80D.1040105@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <506AF80D.1040105@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Tue, 02 Oct 2012 08:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Cc: Julian Reschke , xml2rfc@lists.xml.resource.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] alternative boilerplate X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:31:13 -0000 On 10/2/2012 7:19 AM, Eliot Lear wrote: >> You want to use the upload tool, but not post to the drafts system??? > > It would just be to catch something that oughtn't be there. To be certain, that really requires a standardized flag that says "reject any attempt to submit this into the I-D" mechanism. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From randy@psg.com Sat Oct 20 15:54:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B540721F8203 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:54:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.17 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.17 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.171, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_13=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o65VXVX8bXZM for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5FC21F8201 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rair.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.80 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1TPhvz-000AVI-Ai for xml2rfc@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 22:54:23 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 12:54:22 -1000 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: xml2rfc list User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [xml2rfc] widows and orphans X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 22:54:24 -0000 using python, same document i get --- The second octet of the Attribute Flags, Attribute Type, MUST be set to 0xXX, as assigned by the IANA, see Section 8, to signal that this Bush, et al. Expires April 02, 2013 [Page 3] Internet-Draft Authenticating L3VPN Origination Signaling October 2012 is an L3OPA. --- and this The digest algorithm for the specified Algorithm Suite is applied to the catenation of the NLRI and the Key Identifier. This is then fed to the signature algorithm for the specified algorithm suite and the resulting value is the compared with the Signature. Bush, et al. Expires April 02, 2013 [Page 4] Internet-Draft Authenticating L3VPN Origination Signaling October 2012 If the signature value matches the Signature in the attribute, the route is marked as Valid, otherwise it is marked as Invalid. --- randy From randy@psg.com Sat Oct 20 16:06:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11D421F87B2 for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 16:06:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.466 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.466 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.133, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1ySXowf3v6bS for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 16:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::36]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629FE21F87AC for ; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 16:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rair.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.80 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1TPi7C-000AXY-Tl for xml2rfc@ietf.org; Sat, 20 Oct 2012 23:05:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:05:58 -1000 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: xml2rfc list In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] widows and orphans X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 23:06:00 -0000 the macos app does not produce the same strangeness. but it does break the copyright notice over two lines which causes tools upload to whine about idnits. randy From tony@att.com Sat Oct 20 18:40:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C91C21F874E for ; 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rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Bush References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.128.153] X-AnalysisOut: [v=2.0 cv=eJCkegV1 c=1 sm=0 a=xwOvzTHDVLE4u4nGvK72ag==:17 a] X-AnalysisOut: [=Kb0RnbHvDqEA:10 a=T3ddMRUbpJkA:10 a=o7HATznBVKYA:10 a=ofM] X-AnalysisOut: [gfj31e3cA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zQP7CpK] X-AnalysisOut: [OAAAA:8 a=A9jqJDZlCrYA:10 a=29HaG_AWlojDPVoNbrgA:9 a=wPNLv] X-AnalysisOut: [fGTeEIA:10] Cc: xml2rfc list Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] widows and orphans X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 01:40:16 -0000 On 10/20/2012 6:54 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > using python, same document > ... One of the improvements I'd love to see made to xml2rfc is in how it handles widows and orphans. This is one of the steps that the RFC Editor currently does by hand during their final post processing step. Tony Hansen From dhc2@dcrocker.net Sun Oct 21 05:45:45 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6A221F88D8 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 05:45:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.74 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q8HPmqYbhk8T for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 05:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF5E21F85A2 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 05:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.11.199] (ip-64-134-97-182.public.wayport.net [64.134.97.182]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q9LCjgl9014010 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 05:45:43 -0700 Message-ID: <5083EE6D.6000101@dcrocker.net> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 08:45:33 -0400 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc list References: <5083524A.2040109@att.com> In-Reply-To: <5083524A.2040109@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Sun, 21 Oct 2012 05:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [xml2rfc] eliminating rfc editor manual tweaks X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 12:45:45 -0000 On 10/20/2012 9:39 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: > One of the improvements I'd love to see made to xml2rfc is in how it > handles widows and orphans. This is one of the steps that the RFC Editor > currently does by hand during their final post processing step. Is there a list of the changes made by the RFC Editor, which xml2rfc can't do? That list would constitute a kind of work order for the package, to make it possible to generate an actual RFC from xml. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From tony@att.com Sun Oct 21 15:03:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA49621F8917 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:03:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.953 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.953 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.646, BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1a+y2QF5ZBgX for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com (nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com [209.65.160.93]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A7621F8914 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unknown [144.160.128.153] (EHLO flpi408.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com) by nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com(mxl_mta-6.11.0-12) over TLS secured channel with ESMTP id 63174805.0.92218.00-487.250172.nbfkord-smmo07.seg.att.com (envelope-from ); Sun, 21 Oct 2012 22:03:35 +0000 (UTC) X-MXL-Hash: 508471373ce9e433-c7bd7c965199fd9cd4440a3edd7c5543e2c00c55 Received: from enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by flpi408.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q9LM3XPU016306 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:03:34 -0700 Received: from fflint04.pst.cso.att.com (fflint04.pst.cso.att.com [150.234.39.64]) by flpi408.enaf.ffdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q9LM3QEE016230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:03:29 -0700 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by fflint04.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:03:18 -0700 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q9LM3Hqv023133 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:03:17 -0400 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (mailgw1.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q9LM3Bqr022935 for ; Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:03:13 -0400 Received: from [135.70.159.147] (vpn-135-70-159-147.vpn.mwst.att.com[135.70.159.147]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20121021220205gw100r2c9le> (Authid: tony); Sun, 21 Oct 2012 22:02:05 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.159.147] Message-ID: <5084711E.10805@att.com> Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:03:10 -0400 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: xml2rfc list References: <5083524A.2040109@att.com> <5083EE6D.6000101@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: <5083EE6D.6000101@dcrocker.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-Spam: [F=0.2000000000; CM=0.500; S=0.200(2010122901)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [144.160.128.153] X-AnalysisOut: [v=2.0 cv=YJMoP26x c=1 sm=0 a=xwOvzTHDVLE4u4nGvK72ag==:17 a] X-AnalysisOut: [=pGvffJ5T0Z0A:10 a=T3ddMRUbpJkA:10 a=jTO7bYbVxxgA:10 a=ofM] X-AnalysisOut: [gfj31e3cA:10 a=BLceEmwcHowA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zQP7CpK] X-AnalysisOut: [OAAAA:8 a=jppWhddZRPQA:10 a=JLxidPFmqYFgPRE0w8gA:9 a=wPNLv] X-AnalysisOut: [fGTeEIA:10] Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] eliminating rfc editor manual tweaks X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 22:03:36 -0000 On 10/21/2012 8:45 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: > > On 10/20/2012 9:39 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: >> One of the improvements I'd love to see made to xml2rfc is in how it >> handles widows and orphans. This is one of the steps that the RFC Editor >> currently does by hand during their final post processing step. > > Is there a list of the changes made by the RFC Editor, which xml2rfc > can't do? > > That list would constitute a kind of work order for the package, to > make it possible to generate an actual RFC from xml. I've talked with Alice and Sandy a few times about the shortcomings of xml2rfc from the Rfc Editor point of view. But I've never seen such a list committed to screen. Tony Hansen From arusso@amsl.com Mon Oct 29 09:07:10 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47A521F8709 for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 09:07:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vsj5sKe33JMv for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 09:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2069B21F86DD for ; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 09:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8D31247D3; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 09:07:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3aIgZHiXalVp; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 09:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] (c-98-196-37-33.hsd1.tx.comcast.net [98.196.37.33]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 85BE21247C1; Mon, 29 Oct 2012 09:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Alice Russo In-Reply-To: <5084711E.10805@att.com> Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 12:07:19 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <42CAC9EB-E6E8-40C3-99B6-488A6F8D26F2@amsl.com> References: <5083524A.2040109@att.com> <5083EE6D.6000101@dcrocker.net> <5084711E.10805@att.com> To: Tony Hansen , Dave CROCKER X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: xml2rfc list , RFC Editor Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] eliminating rfc editor manual tweaks X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 16:07:10 -0000 Dave, Tony, The placement of page breaks is the primary one. Over a year ago, we documented items that would be an improvement on = xml2rfc v1; these were input to the xml2rfc v2 RFP. Since the = development of v2, we've been testing it and reporting various issues in = the issue tracker (20+, which have been addressed by the developer - = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/report/6). After = xml.resource.org posts v2 as beta, we will provide information on the = rfc-interest list regarding the RFC Production Center's transition to = v2. As we gain more experience with v2, we will continue to add issues = to the issue tracker and hopefully get to the point that manual tweaks = are not needed. Thank you. Alice Russo RFC Production Center On Oct 21, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: > On 10/21/2012 8:45 AM, Dave Crocker wrote: >>=20 >> On 10/20/2012 9:39 PM, Tony Hansen wrote: >>> One of the improvements I'd love to see made to xml2rfc is in how it >>> handles widows and orphans. This is one of the steps that the RFC = Editor >>> currently does by hand during their final post processing step. >>=20 >> Is there a list of the changes made by the RFC Editor, which xml2rfc = can't do? >>=20 >> That list would constitute a kind of work order for the package, to = make it possible to generate an actual RFC from xml. >=20 > I've talked with Alice and Sandy a few times about the shortcomings of = xml2rfc from the Rfc Editor point of view. But I've never seen such a = list committed to screen. >=20 > Tony Hansen >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc >=20 From miekg@atoom.net Tue Oct 30 06:11:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6769E21F84C5 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:11:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1Wgyw60jSQPt for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyclone.public.resource.org (cyclone.public.resource.org [192.101.98.135]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1A221F8476 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elektron.atoom.net (elektron.atoom.net [85.223.71.124]) by cyclone.public.resource.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q9UDB0UP050354 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 06:11:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from miekg@atoom.net) Received: by elektron.atoom.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B45193FF63; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:10:54 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:10:54 +0100 From: Miek Gieben To: Xml2rfc list Message-ID: <20121030131054.GA8089@miek.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Xml2rfc list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Vim/Mutt/Linux X-Home: http://www.miek.nl Subject: [xml2rfc] differences between v1 and v2 (of xml2rfc) X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:11:12 -0000 --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I'm comparing the output of xml2rfc v1.36 with v2.3.5 (see for yourself at:=20 v1 version: miek.nl/downloads/draft.v1.txt v2 version: miek.nl/downloads/draft.v2.txt I like v2 as it is fast! The line numbers mentioned below are those of draft.v2.txt. The ToC does not start on a new page in v2. (Don't know if that is a setting). The underscore settings of spanx elements, changed from _bla_ to -bla-, I like the latter, but still its a change. In section "Multiple paragraphs in a list.", I fake multiple paragraphs in a list with a . In v1 the new "para" is indented, in v2 it is not indented (line 787). If you look for 'A lowercase roman list.' you see that '' isn't supported (line 810). If you look for 'An uppercase roman list.' you see that, "' in v1 displays as "(1) Item1" and in v2 as "(1 )Item1" (line 816). '' is allowed in v1 (was a hidden feature, but s= till).=20 It shows "A. First item", in v2 it convers to "%C.First item" and a warnin= g=20 (line 850). If you look for "List with a sublist with a paragraph above the sublist", y= ou get a nice indented sublist with A. and B. as list items. In v2 it isn't indented and the listitems are numbered with a. and b. (line 878). Regards, --=20 Miek Gieben http://miek.nl --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlCP0d4ACgkQJYuFzziA0PZAZQCePLi07PfidSRH4XbWY0pupKYQ ThgAoKNLva27edQ22fqfbpd4yXKDVr90 =ecmP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/-- From spencer@wonderhamster.org Tue Oct 30 10:19:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9223221F871A for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:19:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.49 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.49 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.250, BAYES_20=-0.74, HIGH_CODEPAGE_URI=2.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id deda0+dlwhEv for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81AE021F8719 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.79] (99-108-174-213.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net [99.108.174.213]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lrvza-1TOWt919SA-013rDD; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:19:34 -0400 Message-ID: <50900C24.1040303@wonderhamster.org> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 12:19:32 -0500 From: Spencer Dawkins User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:Ed8zsvNUe7q1MCY/Ygk58ETt73vtdmikLEwnOwQy6zC bArdk9grfykxhzPS/9ww7qMEe5a/buS0sIhxrxMZZovkiZFyPF TOj2wmIqJdvG//S7H6iDsmX4FOCqE/mXTIQEtADjvFWtbjlBcU IpHmjmheO4OG0jVh7JHcJoqM4kPzwxNlfD+SNwzsqVAVsHABqU CSxQNHFn+e62sK3wxw7m6tuBz4RUqPitNXF6HGcfHVVZgnf9xZ JnAYfVMn4cxUypUNbeL7O6psG0IISXhlAOFuoZPxs39Xxu8xNx 2isAS90QjdiFlANDf9562edyaIqtUJ47aaEM/3Zra16xKx2ICX FBQonsFjtaAm/q5WLRl1uu7bQNCeJny/OeIEkzcdx Subject: [xml2rfc] Problem with generated boilerplate for HTML output X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 17:19:36 -0000 I'm using the experimental version of XML2RFC, and encountering some problems with generated boilerplate. When I select text as the output, it looks fine. When I select HTML as the output, I get Status of This Memo (deleted down to) Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF). Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet-Drafts. The list of current Internet- Drafts is at http:/⁠/⁠datatracker.ietf.org/⁠drafts/⁠current/⁠. (deleted down to) This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal Provisions Relating to IETF Documents (http:/⁠/⁠trustee.ietf.org/⁠license-⁠info) in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please review these documents carefully, as they describe your rights and restrictions with respect to this document. (deleted rest of output). When I use the production version of XMLRFC, I get correct output on both text and HTML output. Input file is available on request. Thanks, Spencer From duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp Tue Oct 30 18:43:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A7A21F84F5 for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:43:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.69 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HIGH_CODEPAGE_URI=2.5, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, J_CHICKENPOX_14=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T1ArswMxg00s for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.253.33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D69821F84EE for ; Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scmse01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.253.231]) by scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id q9V1h4RD027602 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:43:04 +0900 Received: from (unknown [133.2.206.133]) by scmse01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 50fd_5310_4fe3a63c_22fc_11e2_8e49_001d096c566a; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:43:03 +0900 Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([133.2.210.1]:58282) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:43:05 +0900 Message-ID: <50908224.70708@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:43:00 +0900 From: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spencer Dawkins References: <50900C24.1040303@wonderhamster.org> In-Reply-To: <50900C24.1040303@wonderhamster.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Problem with generated boilerplate for HTML output X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 01:43:20 -0000 On 2012/10/31 2:19, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > I'm using the experimental version of XML2RFC, and encountering some > problems with generated boilerplate. When I select text as the output, > it looks fine. When I select HTML as the output, I get > > Status of This Memo > (deleted down to) > > Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task > Force (IETF). Note that other groups may also distribute working > documents as Internet-Drafts. The list of current Internet- Drafts is at > http:/⁠/⁠datatracker.ietf.org/⁠drafts/⁠current/⁠. ⁠ is ⁠ or U+2060, WORD JOINER. This is a zero width non-breaking space. It was introduced into Unicode in order to separate the zero width non-breaking space functionality from U+FEFF, which carried two functions, byte order mark and zero width non-breaking space. (If implemented correctly,) its only functionality is to suppress linebreaks where it's inserted. The intent here is clear: Avoid line breaks in the middle of an URI. That is in principle a good idea. But it is a problem because copy-pasting said URI will not refer to the intended address. The right thing (because we are talking about HTML) is to add some style, e.g. like this: http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info (see http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/text.html#propdef-white-space and e.g. http://www.quirksmode.org/css/whitespace.html) Of course, it would be even better if the style setting were moved to the stylesheet. So this should be treated as a bug, and fixed. I hope you can submit a bug to the bugtracker. Regards, Martin. > (deleted down to) > > This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal Provisions > Relating to IETF Documents > (http:/⁠/⁠trustee.ietf.org/⁠license-⁠info) in > effect on the date of publication of this document. Please review these > documents carefully, as they describe your rights and restrictions with > respect to this document. > > (deleted rest of output). > > When I use the production version of XMLRFC, I get correct output on > both text and HTML output. > > Input file is available on request. > > Thanks, > > Spencer > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Oct 31 00:55:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7719321F86CE for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 00:55:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.416 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.416 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-4.217, BAYES_00=-2.599, HIGH_CODEPAGE_URI=2.5, J_CHICKENPOX_14=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pxvFuVxs+GFR for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 00:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3164121F8703 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 00:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 31 Oct 2012 07:55:15 -0000 Received: from p5DD9651D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [93.217.101.29] by mail.gmx.net (mp036) with SMTP; 31 Oct 2012 08:55:15 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19pwqJX3o5pojMgbK4Xg9GCgtEdEgjVwE1xZz+VUw nsIrRmB0mD8/Id Message-ID: <5090D95D.90606@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:55:09 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_J=2E_D=FCrst=22?= References: <50900C24.1040303@wonderhamster.org> <50908224.70708@it.aoyama.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: <50908224.70708@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Problem with generated boilerplate for HTML output X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 07:55:18 -0000 On 2012-10-31 02:43, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote: > On 2012/10/31 2:19, Spencer Dawkins wrote: >> I'm using the experimental version of XML2RFC, and encountering some >> problems with generated boilerplate. When I select text as the output, >> it looks fine. When I select HTML as the output, I get >> >> Status of This Memo >> (deleted down to) >> >> Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task >> Force (IETF). Note that other groups may also distribute working >> documents as Internet-Drafts. The list of current Internet- Drafts is at >> http:/⁠/⁠datatracker.ietf.org/⁠drafts/⁠current/⁠. >> > > ⁠ is ⁠ or U+2060, WORD JOINER. This is a zero width > non-breaking space. It was introduced into Unicode in order to separate > the zero width non-breaking space functionality from U+FEFF, which > carried two functions, byte order mark and zero width non-breaking > space. (If implemented correctly,) its only functionality is to suppress > linebreaks where it's inserted. > > The intent here is clear: Avoid line breaks in the middle of an URI. > That is in principle a good idea. But it is a problem because > copy-pasting said URI will not refer to the intended address. > > The right thing (because we are talking about HTML) is to add some > style, e.g. like this: > > http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info > > (see http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/text.html#propdef-white-space and e.g. > http://www.quirksmode.org/css/whitespace.html) > ... ...but then there is no whitespace inside the element, so the declaration wouldn't have any effect, right? Best regards, Julian From julian.reschke@gmx.de Wed Oct 31 02:31:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D69321F873E for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 02:31:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.812 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.812 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.712, BAYES_00=-2.599, HIGH_CODEPAGE_URI=2.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sICSYSkHlYBg for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 02:31:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DBD3B21F872C for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 02:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 31 Oct 2012 09:31:50 -0000 Received: from p5DD9651D.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [93.217.101.29] by mail.gmx.net (mp029) with SMTP; 31 Oct 2012 10:31:50 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+w+M0XHUSwQKBoORdsE6FB2iuErvfLV8T/+4GoOs tIkVgBjslcjT99 Message-ID: <5090F004.2060601@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:31:48 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spencer Dawkins References: <50900C24.1040303@wonderhamster.org> In-Reply-To: <50900C24.1040303@wonderhamster.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Problem with generated boilerplate for HTML output X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:31:53 -0000 On 2012-10-30 18:19, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > I'm using the experimental version of XML2RFC, and encountering some > problems with generated boilerplate. When I select text as the output, > it looks fine. When I select HTML as the output, I get > > Status of This Memo > (deleted down to) > > Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task > Force (IETF). Note that other groups may also distribute working > documents as Internet-Drafts. The list of current Internet- Drafts is at > http:/⁠/⁠datatracker.ietf.org/⁠drafts/⁠current/⁠. > ... Indeed. I have opened a ticket (), but optimally, everybody who tests this tool would do that him/herself :-) Best regards, Julian From duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp Wed Oct 31 21:54:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B803A21F85D2 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 21:54:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -95.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-95.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.102, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HIGH_CODEPAGE_URI=2.5, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, LONGWORDS=1.803, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SARE_BAYES_6x6=0.4, SARE_BAYES_7x6=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id syhsj2z28XlN for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 21:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.253.33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9253921F85CF for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2012 21:54:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scmse02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.253.231]) by scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id qA14s73u030062 for ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:54:11 +0900 Received: from (unknown [133.2.206.133]) by scmse02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 68fd_0b54_2b214446_23e0_11e2_a5a5_001d096c5782; Thu, 01 Nov 2012 13:54:06 +0900 Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([133.2.210.1]:55397) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:54:09 +0900 Message-ID: <5092006B.1040808@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 13:54:03 +0900 From: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <50900C24.1040303@wonderhamster.org> <50908224.70708@it.aoyama.ac.jp> <5090D95D.90606@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <5090D95D.90606@gmx.de> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040905080304010903000400" Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Problem with generated boilerplate for HTML output X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 04:54:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040905080304010903000400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Julian, On 2012/10/31 16:55, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 2012-10-31 02:43, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote: >> On 2012/10/31 2:19, Spencer Dawkins wrote: >>> Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task >>> Force (IETF). Note that other groups may also distribute working >>> documents as Internet-Drafts. The list of current Internet- Drafts is at >>> http:/⁠/⁠datatracker.ietf.org/⁠drafts/⁠current/⁠. >> The right thing (because we are talking about HTML) is to add some >> style, e.g. like this: >> >> http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info >> >> (see http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/text.html#propdef-white-space and e.g. >> http://www.quirksmode.org/css/whitespace.html) >> ... > > ...but then there is no whitespace inside the element, so the > declaration wouldn't have any effect, right? The name of the property may indeed be somewhat misleading. Fortunately, there isno need to be overly sceptical. The spec says: nowrap This value collapses white space as for 'normal', but suppresses line breaks within text. It says "line breaks within text", not "line breaks at whitespace", so it should be what we need. Testing with the attached file in the five major browsers I have at hand here confirms this nicely. 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