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From csimbi@gmail.com Sat Dec 1 06:29:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7DE11E8099 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 06:29:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.632 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.632 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_HTML_USL_OBFU=1.666] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wvVSCzQSuXmz for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 06:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com (mail-wi0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C659811E8097 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 06:29:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id hj13so228330wib.13 for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 06:29:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=RRZZGaDqzb0Xgln2vDxOvvwmyiQzDiRsLT/WLt+Jj2Q=; b=l5MEfdIS7J8ctXsCq/346oD0DuWMLZ8f1eepxx306GFz6LsOrSdHiZwA6IXgfagR38 yjaYQsu6IhBLq0Mk5+04ZopYAwhW9lwjjrPkYcAAbeQjx7Aiy2LzsPoE7tsOLUzEoSyl tSnnpU3y6Tf/bJw8YS2uPKDW3jonTuGgxj1jxch6Dz9b/O6U9a1XodLQegLGjoJrcCnQ l2UJd6bYVGhhmGi4vV0aUmCBqswdU512BxN7agMcjt//P7VJ5vSpGMtgnL3R5AC2iSET zzh2snvddM3IrRPoikHYU2tRHNH2ZKDCTy183B4ln23uktiuey8Wgh9O9VLmRNHVH1Um LGeg== Received: by 10.216.82.139 with SMTP id o11mr1518822wee.105.1354372165876; Sat, 01 Dec 2012 06:29:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.191.23 with HTTP; Sat, 1 Dec 2012 06:29:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <50B9699E.1090606@computer.org> References: <50B9699E.1090606@computer.org> From: =?UTF-8?B?Wm9sdMOhbiDDlnJkw7ZnaCAoR01haWwp?= Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 09:29:05 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Charles E. Perkins" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d34400d73dcf04cfcb5714 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:29:27 -0000 --001636d34400d73dcf04cfcb5714 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While at it: How do I repeat table heading accross pages? Thanks! Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Charles E. Perkins wrote: > > Hello folks, > > How do I get a page break in xml2rfc? > > Alternatively, how do I protect a table from getting > a page break in the middle? > > -- > Regards, > Charlie P. > > ______________________________**_________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/xml2rfc > --001636d34400d73dcf04cfcb5714 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While at it:
How do I repeat table heading accross pages?
Thanks!

Best regards: Zolt=C3=A1n =C3=96rd=C3=B6gh

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Charles= E. Perkins <charliep@computer.org> wrote:

Hello folks,

How do I get a page break in xml2rfc?

Alternatively, how do I protect a table from getting
a page break in the middle?<= br>
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Charlie P.

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--001636d34400d73dcf04cfcb5714-- From julian.reschke@gmx.de Sun Dec 2 03:55:13 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D600421F8B00 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 03:55:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-4.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 215y6QT8HSjL for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 03:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8999821F859D for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 01:42:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Dec 2012 09:41:37 -0000 Received: from p5DD94F39.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.2.117]) [93.217.79.57] by mail.gmx.net (mp004) with SMTP; 02 Dec 2012 10:41:37 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18TDoJ8JOcTaqlZwBRTI4oQA0vjlr3TF1BgNfn57E KnSDhSA+S0Bm+W Message-ID: <50BB2251.3070606@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 10:41:37 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Zolt=E1n_=D6rd=F6gh_=28GMail=29=22?= References: <50B9699E.1090606@computer.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: "Charles E. Perkins" , xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 11:55:13 -0000 I wouldn't worry about page breaks; when the document is published as RFC, the RFC editor team will take care about the final formatting. (The same applies to table headers). Best regards, Julian On 2012-12-01 15:29, Zoltán Ördögh (GMail) wrote: > While at it: > How do I repeat table heading accross pages? > Thanks! > > Best regards: Zoltán Ördögh > > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Charles E. Perkins > > wrote: > > > Hello folks, > > How do I get a page break in xml2rfc? > > Alternatively, how do I protect a table from getting > a page break in the middle? > > -- > Regards, > Charlie P. > > _________________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/__listinfo/xml2rfc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc mailing list > xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc > From charliep@computer.org Sun Dec 2 07:24:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19A8C21F855A for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 07:24:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Neq5LQFOorw for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 07:24:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1CE21F84FB for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 07:24:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [99.51.72.196] (helo=[192.168.1.84]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1TfBPE-0000W0-S2; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 10:24:32 -0500 Message-ID: <50BB72A8.5080101@computer.org> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 07:24:24 -0800 From: "Charles E. Perkins" Organization: Saratoga Blue Skies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Reschke References: <50B9699E.1090606@computer.org> <50BB2251.3070606@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <50BB2251.3070606@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-ELNK-Trace: 137d7d78656ed6919973fd6a8f21c4f2d780f4a490ca6956d5d4673fe7faad86d1bbd87872f53b20d6f655d38250c554350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.51.72.196 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 15:24:39 -0000 Hello Julian, I get your point. But RFC publication is the last step in the process. In the meantime, there are many months or years of review and revision, and each time anyone reads the document, it would be easier if the formatting were done properly. To put the other way, if the document would formatted properly, a lot of people would find their job easier. Regards, Charlie P. On 12/2/2012 1:41 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > I wouldn't worry about page breaks; when the document is published as > RFC, the RFC editor team will take care about the final formatting. > > (The same applies to table headers). > > Best regards, Julian > > On 2012-12-01 15:29, Zoltán Ördögh (GMail) wrote: >> While at it: >> How do I repeat table heading accross pages? >> Thanks! >> >> Best regards: Zoltán Ördögh >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Charles E. Perkins >> > wrote: >> >> >> Hello folks, >> >> How do I get a page break in xml2rfc? >> >> Alternatively, how do I protect a table from getting >> a page break in the middle? >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Charlie P. >> >> _________________________________________________ >> xml2rfc mailing list >> xml2rfc@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/__listinfo/xml2rfc >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> xml2rfc mailing list >> xml2rfc@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc >> > > -- Regards, Charlie P. 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Perkins" , xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 18:00:17 -0000 On 12/2/2012 1:41 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > I wouldn't worry about page breaks; when the document is published as > RFC, the RFC editor team will take care about the final formatting. Given the goal of permitting xml2rfc's being able to generate final-form RFC layout automatically, this doesn't seem like good strategic advice. In other words, I believe xml2rfc ought to allow the author enough control to specify what sequence is not to be broken by a page boundary. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From johnl@iecc.com Sun Dec 2 10:30:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361AE21F85A8 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:30:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.101, BAYES_00=-2.599, HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI=-4.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YrEj2s2gzTHZ for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B6C21F85A9 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:30:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 923 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2012 18:30:25 -0000 Received: from leila.iecc.com (64.57.183.34) by mail1.iecc.com with QMQP; 2 Dec 2012 18:30:25 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=50bb9e41.xn--yuvv84g.k1211; i=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=sdlSS1UQZUbGjGCtrYmRtf0xnUck19WOj9zilqpOXAk=; b=tXDR8iogK3gJJ6DyS7THHaKBiy0Ojx9wiwgzleYGAtE5TKZl/wt/hUzwi4y2fve52tmS0JXVQDgIqyH25dqiHXjmlYh4pfGp0o+kb+rtcKGDw75B8ZdL3eMI7GYR4SLMVEEg6u6d/mUPKv0eDVs/uglsBEY/BNf783KG1J7JXe8= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:vbr-info; s=50bb9e41.xn--yuvv84g.k1211; olt=johnl@user.iecc.com; bh=sdlSS1UQZUbGjGCtrYmRtf0xnUck19WOj9zilqpOXAk=; b=aiQVlM5uNvG9OXKUJVdRLyypOPNZJQiso+Sk58PI+ba0P9HwW/lYxvuAB2CkNo1TFI5OdbXn/LoEgC+a20yJ6/Vz5FClw4mScJXXj0lTd1kCighGu+V5JkJqQQZaN+WSD5MxBjmJqZqCXi6S8wLfipohN88siEj+iCbx4bEQPco= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Date: 2 Dec 2012 18:30:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20121202183002.5492.qmail@joyce.lan> From: "John Levine" To: xml2rfc@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <50BB9721.4070000@dcrocker.net> Organization: X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: dcrocker@bbiw.net Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 18:30:28 -0000 >In other words, I believe xml2rfc ought to allow the author enough >control to specify what sequence is not to be broken by a page boundary. Yes, but for tables more than a dozen lines long, it's often better to break them across multiple pages, in which case it's rather nice to be able to tell it repeat the headings on each page. nroff has offered this facility via the tbl preprocessor since about 1978, after all. I agree that we don't want xml2rfc to turn into yet another Turing complete formatting language, but if it's going to replace nroff as the final tool to produce RFCs, a few more well chosen features would make it a lot easier. R's, John From julian.reschke@gmx.de Sun Dec 2 10:45:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0081321F86CE for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:45:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rGndkP4Vkt-w for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:45:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D55B521F86C4 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:45:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Dec 2012 18:45:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [89.204.154.29] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 02 Dec 2012 19:45:10 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19NENU+jSVNfGuySLN2zZHHPH3kkH7u2DryCd8gHd B40RdB9fhpeaIZ Message-ID: <50BBA1AE.1010307@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:45:02 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Charles E. Perkins" References: <50B9699E.1090606@computer.org> <50BB2251.3070606@gmx.de> <50BB72A8.5080101@computer.org> In-Reply-To: <50BB72A8.5080101@computer.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 18:45:19 -0000 On 2012-12-02 16:24, Charles E. Perkins wrote: > > > Hello Julian, > > I get your point. But RFC publication is the last step in the process. > In the meantime, there are many months or years of review and > revision, and each time anyone reads the document, it would be > easier if the formatting were done properly. To put the other way, > if the document would formatted properly, a lot of people would > find their job easier. > ... I would recommend to use something more readable for reviews (-> HTML). Best regards, Julian From dcrocker@bbiw.net Sun Dec 2 10:50:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B072821F841A for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:50:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jWovQSAUU1gs for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E8D21F88DD for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (adsl-67-127-190-125.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.127.190.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id qB2IoGs9021348 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:50:16 -0800 Message-ID: <50BBA2E0.20309@bbiw.net> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 10:50:08 -0800 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Levine References: <20121202183002.5492.qmail@joyce.lan> In-Reply-To: <20121202183002.5492.qmail@joyce.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Sun, 02 Dec 2012 10:50:17 -0800 (PST) Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 18:50:18 -0000 On 12/2/2012 10:30 AM, John Levine wrote: >> In other words, I believe xml2rfc ought to allow the author enough >> control to specify what sequence is not to be broken by a page boundary. > > Yes, but for tables more than a dozen lines long, it's often better to break > them across multiple pages, in which case it's rather nice to be able to > tell it repeat the headings on each page. Your note is orthogonal to mine. I was responding to the view that we can/should leave tweaking to the manual last step of RFC publication. You are, essentially, suggesting that automated pagination should have some extra sophistication in the (automated) handling of particularly long sequences of a particular type. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From julian.reschke@gmx.de Sun Dec 2 10:54:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7177F21F847B for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:54:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BnVdUosXBRUB for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 79F4E21F8430 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 10:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 02 Dec 2012 18:54:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [192.168.2.100]) [89.204.154.29] by mail.gmx.net (mp039) with SMTP; 02 Dec 2012 19:54:57 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+ccDBalNicHH/2c4/Cf5UZf6/v7nqQC/O+3p2zTY gXox2e8tyznYuq Message-ID: <50BBA3F1.4000407@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:54:41 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Levine References: <20121202183002.5492.qmail@joyce.lan> In-Reply-To: <20121202183002.5492.qmail@joyce.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org, dcrocker@bbiw.net Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 18:54:59 -0000 On 2012-12-02 19:30, John Levine wrote: >> In other words, I believe xml2rfc ought to allow the author enough >> control to specify what sequence is not to be broken by a page boundary. > > Yes, but for tables more than a dozen lines long, it's often better to break > them across multiple pages, in which case it's rather nice to be able to > tell it repeat the headings on each page. Is there a single case where you *don*t want to repeat the page headers on subsequent pages? > nroff has offered this facility via the tbl preprocessor since about > 1978, after all. > > I agree that we don't want xml2rfc to turn into yet another Turing complete > formatting language, but if it's going to replace nroff as the final tool > to produce RFCs, a few more well chosen features would make it a lot easier. > ... Well, if we change to a default output format of HTML the issue goes away anyway... Best regards, Julian From rra@stanford.edu Sun Dec 2 12:33:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89DA321F881F for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 12:33:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ecqKJz57McgG for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 12:33:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.67.219.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED6B21F87B1 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 12:33:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.stanford.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 87B876462C3 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 12:33:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.67.225.134]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.stanford.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DCED6462B0 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 12:33:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by windlord.stanford.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 42F642F44F; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 12:33:38 -0800 (PST) From: Russ Allbery To: xml2rfc@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <50BBA3F1.4000407@gmx.de> (Julian Reschke's message of "Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:54:41 +0100") Organization: The Eyrie References: <20121202183002.5492.qmail@joyce.lan> <50BBA3F1.4000407@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:33:38 -0800 Message-ID: <87mwxwqjml.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 20:33:41 -0000 Julian Reschke writes: > Well, if we change to a default output format of HTML the issue goes > away anyway... I think HTML is an inferior output format for discussion of drafts on working group mailing lists, since it's more difficult to quote and discuss than plain text. You end up doing a lot of copying and pasting and manually adding quote marks, not to mention adjusting for the fact that copy/paste of text from web pages via browsers usually ends up producing unreadable, mangled formatting that has to be manually corrected. -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From johnl@taugh.com Sun Dec 2 14:33:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE3921F88EF for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 14:33:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fFiPFCt97Zbe for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 14:33:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC6421F88EB for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 14:33:19 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 65725 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2012 22:33:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=100bc.50bbd72e.k1212; bh=5lXvkzZaDV8T1QUcaVe8NDl2O/aXpJ7Q37Cjv0hw98M=; b=mACzOA3931W33jGBK5jO4cGG/XlonL3g3QXNK2j3AWrujbOnjzQGoTrnCCsUauWT6po57c3lSTqkt1caVmjt0ldKCg+R8TZ3t+iqNf3E6LLu6IgMK00WxQ8rmhP9SHzmD8x57XdHvHVI1/WwDLtrySHltvexX1bgn7a6CsbVwzc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=100bc.50bbd72e.k1212; bh=5lXvkzZaDV8T1QUcaVe8NDl2O/aXpJ7Q37Cjv0hw98M=; b=LnqLeHcDDK7DX5Kq88WNrw3D3D5SB7lNnU1+4RhTJV6Pk00tJseSwa64iYiOxJx2dewb8ro7++eQv2J52+OZ6m2yJ0lbb3GYwBG8eyKXGWYWfTthCBCOcV7n4/dZoOMO3qL7e9Hb7wrN8shsvGxljfwX94SoC8XDQ6nbB4bwi+8= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 2 Dec 2012 22:32:56 -0000 Date: 2 Dec 2012 17:33:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "Julian Reschke" In-Reply-To: <50BBA3F1.4000407@gmx.de> References: <20121202183002.5492.qmail@joyce.lan> <50BBA3F1.4000407@gmx.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 22:33:20 -0000 > Is there a single case where you *don*t want to repeat the page headers on > subsequent pages? Well, there are some table-like things that don't have headers. But I suppose you could treat that as repeating an empty header. > Well, if we change to a default output format of HTML the issue goes away > anyway... It does and it doesn't. Even HTML docs sometimes get printed on sheets of paper, and the header issue arises again. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly. From nico@cryptonector.com Sun Dec 2 15:47:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8A221F87EE for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:47:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id krZYlxqlyR+w for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:47:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a85.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdcbbj.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.119]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E01721F8577 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:47:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a85.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a85.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F141CBC033 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:47:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:cc:content-type; s=cryptonector.com; bh=r+SJyLm5LlUaToaEGPWT cFbpYTE=; b=Uz625q88/4t0o184AYPxIFJNrNy+aLiIW6IRZb8EUP6oolKccygx +lUzSz6UoJ+76NXQwSygEwEzNSyrIbMnZOygJgA5FJQN8nLid9ieN19eyNrOfhbG jAaTO9ft3KkM4Dbzx+xbyBnDQsRxm5erhLIVrWXXA/WCXhXq8axQEw0= Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com (mail-we0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a85.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9C474BC032 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:47:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id r3so940295wey.31 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 15:47:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.145.81 with SMTP id o59mr2520133wej.58.1354492073269; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 15:47:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.192.207 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 15:47:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87mwxwqjml.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> References: <20121202183002.5492.qmail@joyce.lan> <50BBA3F1.4000407@gmx.de> <87mwxwqjml.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:47:53 -0600 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: Russ Allbery Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 23:47:55 -0000 On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: > Julian Reschke writes: >> Well, if we change to a default output format of HTML the issue goes >> away anyway... > > I think HTML is an inferior output format for discussion of drafts on > working group mailing lists, since it's more difficult to quote and > discuss than plain text. You end up doing a lot of copying and pasting > and manually adding quote marks, not to mention adjusting for the fact > that copy/paste of text from web pages via browsers usually ends up > producing unreadable, mangled formatting that has to be manually > corrected. +1. I really want to be able to read I-Ds/RFCs on ttys, using $PAGER (less in my case) screen(1) cut-n-paste, quote trivially on mutt, be able to say "the second sentence in the first paragraph on page 5" and be understood, etcetera. It is true that tty is limiting (no images, for example), but not too much (Unicode is fine, as are line-drawing chars), but I can use a PDF viewer or web browser for those cases where there are images. That is, I think we should encourage a canonical format that is all [Unicode] text except for those cases where non-text art images are important. Nico -- From csimbi@gmail.com Sun Dec 2 16:03:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 159EB21F88F0 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:03:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.298 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.298 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id APGfRabk-+9d for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com (mail-we0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DD521F88EB for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id r3so943269wey.31 for ; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 16:03:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=rdScC/zVlZuLf3sf+aoxCX+jCxWnkviD9WNiyqUvFL8=; b=T4BmoQ4CJyo8Dsb/6vN5zjcrmUg9omjfSRZzcZU3WPGmdUCngWJQ61GoTQ9L6mHp/w 6VBrze4bdpy2Qci05YrnDyX7CFLrLhYnloAkFGVv40jAaqtha2F/xsuNihxygsmsMmR0 IkIlFtlcirRcmHQZUOMm5HXG9f+qvqCza/w+pu2Sz5LHGAuTYPKrO96UhGvSblcMxvK0 IczNyLD096IGZPtWDPGdnXr7xS1yI9xEaaTBPeXh2UWfF9RilLIUiDLunNBwNhX9xcRS 6On2H1iU1rNfPNpJvuBNTdRKNhV4S200qtGfl7T16gfVpUp4Rp5lEQzbLe14ENYxm9Yt 27NQ== Received: by 10.216.82.139 with SMTP id o11mr2614392wee.105.1354493021385; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 16:03:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.191.23 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:03:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20121202183002.5492.qmail@joyce.lan> <50BBA3F1.4000407@gmx.de> From: =?UTF-8?B?Wm9sdMOhbiDDlnJkw7ZnaCAoR01haWwp?= Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 19:03:20 -0500 Message-ID: To: John R Levine Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d3440063f48404cfe77b41 Cc: Julian Reschke , xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 00:03:43 -0000 --001636d3440063f48404cfe77b41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM, John R Levine wrote: > Well, if we change to a default output format of HTML the issue goes away > anyway... > > It does and it doesn't. Even HTML docs sometimes get printed on sheets of > paper, and the header issue arises again. > > I have not seen a printed RFC in a long, long time. I rarely see printed documents at all nowadays - I guess nowadays documents are only printed when they require a signature. Bank statements are also printed generated HTML pages - and they print just fine with/without tables. --001636d3440063f48404cfe77b41 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM= , John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

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<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Well, if we change to a default output format of HTML the issue goes away a= nyway...

It does and it doesn't. =C2=A0Even HTML docs sometimes get printed on s= heets of paper, and the header issue arises again.

I have not seen a printed RFC in a long, long ti= me.
I rarely see printed documents at all nowadays - I guess nowadays do= cuments are only printed when they require a signature.
Bank statements = are also printed generated HTML pages - and they print just fine with/witho= ut tables.

--001636d3440063f48404cfe77b41-- From johnl@taugh.com Sun Dec 2 16:10:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6A121F87EB for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:10:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 73jSDgME7gYt for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:10:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from leila.iecc.com (leila6.iecc.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:1126:0:4c:6569:6c61]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD6A21F8206 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:10:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7643 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2012 00:10:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=iecc.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=1dda.50bbede4.k1212; bh=ansDQt90K9wE8g1uHXzmY0Wh8n4ht3ldO/zIhkSgk40=; b=dCagipXeNhadwcFrXYvxNh8rAWNVtQ/G6gCDo9KdDwGAVcNmC+NVKjXoi2+dPk5XJ98PMvrICcTbLZIhXCmc4Ubh9KI3l9YV/obIZ1tNBCn8iwrYqntPAGB5WatYDy9IjHlrfJKxxvYj3LLpGmaQGlNg+ORcP+9F4F8UTc17hVY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=taugh.com; h=date:message-id:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:vbr-info:user-agent:cleverness; s=1dda.50bbede4.k1212; bh=ansDQt90K9wE8g1uHXzmY0Wh8n4ht3ldO/zIhkSgk40=; b=VW/0/awZykXutTiSOrw8q6poXt6AxSXw+JmSeVL1AZVIalB0EHxFwoZn0sFZRb1rygmIiYHe48vysSJFX5Tvq8ih92et1CWLVulumPKeWVyJMud+kNixYsLsuuMkMZsoKMmfk+RHaTlPISJT1/ySpKmJlZ5UN0RFT8cpKVnii88= VBR-Info: md=iecc.com; mc=all; mv=dwl.spamhaus.org Received: (ofmipd 127.0.0.1); 3 Dec 2012 00:09:50 -0000 Date: 2 Dec 2012 19:10:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: "John R Levine" To: "=?UTF-8?Q?Zolt=C3=A1n_=C3=96rd=C3=B6gh_=28GMail=29?=" In-Reply-To: References: <20121202183002.5492.qmail@joyce.lan> <50BBA3F1.4000407@gmx.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Cleverness: None detected MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 00:10:19 -0000 > I have not seen a printed RFC in a long, long time. > I rarely see printed documents at all nowadays - I guess nowadays documents > are only printed when they require a signature. It's rarely helpful to assume that your experience is typical of the entire world. I print documents all the time and stick them in my briefcase to read on the plane and other places. Particularly for us people with old tired eyes, paper is still a lot easier to read than screens. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly. From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Sun Dec 2 16:16:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4822B21F8903 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:16:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4LUu-+6JBgGq for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (IPv6.Hoffman.Proper.COM [IPv6:2605:8e00:100:41::81]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E9021F8902 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:16:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.20.30.102] (50-0-66-243.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.0.66.243]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id qB30GafI063243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:16:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 $1499$) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:16:36 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2EB2B88A-99C9-4189-89B4-4248A913CC55@vpnc.org> References: <20121202183002.5492.qmail@joyce.lan> <50BBA3F1.4000407@gmx.de> To: "xml2rfc@ietf.org list" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Subject: [xml2rfc] PLEASE STOP: Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 00:16:39 -0000 As most people on this list know, there is a mailing list that is = discussing what is supposed to be the format for Internet Drafts. THIS = IS NOT THAT LIST. Take this over to rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org. To finish the thread: there is no way currently in xml2rfc to insert = page breaks. --Paul Hoffman= From elwynd@dial.pipex.com Mon Dec 3 01:16:18 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 784E221F85AA for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 01:16:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 60h-QNoSLQnN for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 01:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from auth.a.painless.aa.net.uk (a.painless.aa.net.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:0:30::51bb:1e33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA2221F858B for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 01:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mightyatom.folly.org.uk ([81.187.254.250]) by a.painless.aa.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TfS8J-0004YX-Jj; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 09:16:14 +0000 From: Elwyn Davies To: "Charles E. Perkins" In-Reply-To: <50B9699E.1090606@computer.org> References: <50B9699E.1090606@computer.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 09:16:21 +0000 Message-Id: <1354526181.11916.705.camel@mightyatom> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score-a.painless.aa.net.uk: -4.0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 09:16:18 -0000 On Fri, 2012-11-30 at 18:21 -0800, Charles E. Perkins wrote: > Hello folks, > > How do I get a page break in xml2rfc? > > Alternatively, how do I protect a table from getting > a page break in the middle? > To actually answer your question... You can use the processing directive needLines to get the formatter to check there is enough space for the table on the current page and throw a page break if not, e.g.: Unfortunately *you* need to count the number of lines needed. Rgards, Elwyn From julian.reschke@gmx.de Mon Dec 3 02:28:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B923921F8661 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 02:28:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1wsng2VmPBP0 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 02:28:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DA64521F8654 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 02:28:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Dec 2012 10:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [172.24.113.175]) [192.147.117.12] by mail.gmx.net (mp024) with SMTP; 03 Dec 2012 11:28:37 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19vC1lKeEBvl/xcqhKHJGevRbOWntlBkKwgQ+06l/ C441ILcdMDxGye Message-ID: <50BC7ED5.7090005@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 11:28:37 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John R Levine References: <20121202183002.5492.qmail@joyce.lan> <50BBA3F1.4000407@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:28:39 -0000 On 2012-12-02 23:33, John R Levine wrote: >> Is there a single case where you *don*t want to repeat the page >> headers on subsequent pages? > > Well, there are some table-like things that don't have headers. But I > suppose you could treat that as repeating an empty header. > >> Well, if we change to a default output format of HTML the issue goes >> away anyway... > > It does and it doesn't. Even HTML docs sometimes get printed on sheets > of paper, and the header issue arises again. Not if you have the proper CSS attached. Try the output of rfc2629.xslt. Best regards, Julian From Chris.Dearlove@baesystems.com Mon Dec 3 05:19:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4C321F8744 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 05:19:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -10.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4MYCBhIkQdJF for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 05:19:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ukmta1.baesystems.com (ukmta1.baesystems.com [20.133.0.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0393021F8714 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 05:19:06 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,206,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="291014795" Received: from unknown (HELO baemasmds009.greenlnk.net) ([141.245.68.246]) by baemasmds003ir.sharelnk.net with ESMTP; 03 Dec 2012 13:19:04 +0000 Received: from baemasmds017.greenlnk.net ([10.15.207.104]) by baemasmds009.greenlnk.net (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id qB3DJ31X031359 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:19:04 GMT X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,206,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="240779" Received: from glkxh0005v.greenlnk.net ([10.109.2.36]) by baemasmds017.greenlnk.net with ESMTP; 03 Dec 2012 13:18:48 +0000 Received: from GLKXM0002V.GREENLNK.net ([169.254.2.7]) by GLKXH0005V.GREENLNK.net ([10.109.2.36]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:18:48 +0000 From: "Dearlove, Christopher (UK)" To: Paul Hoffman , "xml2rfc@ietf.org list" Thread-Topic: [xml2rfc] PLEASE STOP: Page break in xml2rfc Thread-Index: AQHN0OuChu5Lg1naV0SyzKr1oilu5ZgHDdyA Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 13:18:48 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20121202183002.5492.qmail@joyce.lan> <50BBA3F1.4000407@gmx.de> <2EB2B88A-99C9-4189-89B4-4248A913CC55@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <2EB2B88A-99C9-4189-89B4-4248A913CC55@vpnc.org> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.109.62.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] PLEASE STOP: Page break in xml2rfc X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 13:19:09 -0000 Actually, you can insert a manual page break by e.g. Any large number will do, 999 just stands out. --=20 Christopher Dearlove Senior Principal Engineer, Communications Group Communications, Networks and Image Analysis Capability BAE Systems Advanced Technology Centre West Hanningfield Road, Great Baddow, Chelmsford, CM2 8HN, UK Tel: +44 1245 242194=A0| Fax: +44 1245 242124 chris.dearlove@baesystems.com | http://www.baesystems.com BAE Systems (Operations) Limited Registered Office: Warwick House, PO Box 87, Farnborough Aerospace Centre, = Farnborough, Hants, GU14 6YU, UK Registered in England & Wales No: 1996687 -----Original Message----- From: xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Paul Hoffman Sent: 03 December 2012 00:17 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org list Subject: [xml2rfc] PLEASE STOP: Page break in xml2rfc ----------------------! 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Nico -- From nico@cryptonector.com Wed Dec 5 15:55:50 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2F021F8CB8 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 15:55:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.047 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.047 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.929, BAYES_20=-0.74, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cD7cEyOgIuGl for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 15:55:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a98.g.dreamhost.com (caiajhbdccah.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.207]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2601D21F8CB5 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 15:55:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from homiemail-a98.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a98.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC67F2C2020 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 15:55:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cryptonector.com; h= mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; s= cryptonector.com; bh=zpDcJWeJXaq7xF6TJiC/1N2A/SA=; b=TsBsgjzr7Vl zbnxbDbn7gAhzJ+Mgm4HB6gYq5BKpnwAh7eOPEcADzUEBXu97lDuUQ5jZpxJ8JMn EyDPWFc1azi1e32fn+dMBf4xkep7GdQr3chSQ8EzBiRlpWiwCDvNHuFwtbyZrv7x vViPJjaA2nRskpOJxUiNr+JFzVDiLOBM= Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com (mail-we0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nico@cryptonector.com) by homiemail-a98.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7C4772C2024 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 15:55:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id r3so2574144wey.31 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:55:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.227.197 with SMTP id d47mr5493226weq.83.1354751748273; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 15:55:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.192.207 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 15:55:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2012 17:55:48 -0600 Message-ID: From: Nico Williams To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: [xml2rfc] xml2rfc -> DocBook XSL? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 23:55:50 -0000 Has anyone written an xml2rfc->DocBook schema conversion XSL? Nico -- From Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com Wed Dec 5 18:32:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7CAD21F8D07 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 18:32:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.432 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.432 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.167, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6jXI2ai+kZbI for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 18:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 346E821F8D06 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 18:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13868 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2012 02:32:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box514.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.114) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2012 02:32:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kingsmountain.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=LrSbf4n7ta0dRvvRZUX09vzNwMThu6Qtha0TGVTMskU=; b=PNK7eoYv0zoJ8v4+/3DBGYVl04ArrYENNU14eVBZje7kfHL/Rsk2c6Mg36azCei80uymH3rGu1Jr2N0aZKTGz/0YSJLsF+iCmJnlVD5t0u1hmTMzAsQLUnoAkQetRv9S; Received: from [24.4.122.173] (port=38159 helo=[192.168.11.12]) by box514.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TgRG0-0006hn-Ft for xml2rfc@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:32:12 -0700 Message-ID: <50C003AA.8090801@KingsMountain.com> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:32:10 -0800 From: =JeffH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {11025:box514.bluehost.com:kingsmou:kingsmountain.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.4.122.173 authed with jeff.hodges+kingsmountain.com} Subject: [xml2rfc] is there a bibtex-to-xml2rfc element converter? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:32:39 -0000 Hi, Does anyone know of or have a bibtex-to-xml2rfc element converter? i.e., I'd like to have something that converts bibtex-formatted references, e.g.: @INPROCEEDINGS{forcehttps, author = {Collin Jackson and Adam Barth}, title = {{ForceHTTPS}: Protecting High-Security Web Sites from Network Attacks}, booktitle = {Proceedings of the 17th International World Wide Web Conference (WWW)}, year = {2008}, month = {April} } ..to xml2rfc elements, e.g.: ForceHTTPS: Protecting High-Security Web Sites from Network Attacks As it stands, I performed the above conversion (and a few others) by hand for a recent RFC, and it'd be great to have a tool that would automate this. Thanks, =JeffH From Jeff.Hodges@KingsMountain.com Wed Dec 5 18:41:25 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BD121F8D02 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 18:41:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dkWjexCPwo-L for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 18:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 41E4C21F8CF0 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 18:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25287 invoked by uid 0); 6 Dec 2012 02:40:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box514.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.114) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2012 02:40:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kingsmountain.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=0H6WoOZofWdsUEvAGfAVnmLxvGuOewBMm4jW4z8n8l8=; b=GGaUVPucBcRp64l6CYfQzCjwCkCBaCeSn9o1rCYlEqrjjwid6LuD4DcPKRpxSKCuIdeDRZ6om0C5gEjR939bdYX++T6h/rFKe4R+ixXDT0wS0Nkibrg6wEcDGPA7V9Fh; Received: from [24.4.122.173] (port=38212 helo=[192.168.11.12]) by box514.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TgROU-0000UL-0J for xml2rfc@ietf.org; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:40:58 -0700 Message-ID: <50C005B8.9030305@KingsMountain.com> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:40:56 -0800 From: =JeffH User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {11025:box514.bluehost.com:kingsmou:kingsmountain.com} {sentby:smtp auth 24.4.122.173 authed with jeff.hodges+kingsmountain.com} Subject: [xml2rfc] how to submit updates to the bibxml2 misc reference collection? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:41:25 -0000 Greetings again, In the distant past, I submitted various references to the "Miscellaneous" reference collection.. http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml2/ ..back when Marshall Rose curated that collection by hand. How are updates to this collection being presently handled, or are they being handled at all? Am curious because I have a few references I'd contribute if I knew how. thanks, =JeffH From glenzorn@gmail.com Wed Dec 5 19:49:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6040E21F8C64 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 19:49:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bP8DsHFn-jCW for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 19:49:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A648A21F8C5C for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2012 19:49:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id uo1so3985432pbc.31 for ; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:49:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NP2+8tWbD5rrsZUfKBIgnpQ1E9wRf8cvvaoGdeUfk/g=; b=eo4W3geFVecV0ARxg4bfsNIYTDIdfC62D+C8Vugf0VLG7qMmllnom7eYSTFC44nnqQ M3VXkwmE5Agx4lQ6Ae3T+rvyWr5DKcmeSo1AITDyoAl9VAAvai4P0ccXZwPfNmro32M/ QNCD/yFhij73i1Twb/XTecbVL5AIYVuPBmpb4MG+EogBCV6ZEFfLlfctppwjt5zlsqf7 uYq+i3ilYKqFJpNOP5x2iKSATREMONTIlej24wzoKgQdxZHatojlKE0IhR2QpcfFPVOy 7oxz15gB3uyYxRAeUMFRY1BsajgbICZusc/N4wqEMLjxy8gop3efgtU0g9ojKERC/GNE ElpQ== Received: by 10.68.239.99 with SMTP id vr3mr2054622pbc.154.1354765766183; Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:49:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.102] (ppp-124-122-100-165.revip2.asianet.co.th. [124.122.100.165]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m7sm3854808paz.3.2012.12.05.19.49.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:49:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50C015C1.8060700@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 10:49:21 +0700 From: Glen Zorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121030 Thunderbird/16.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =JeffH References: <50C005B8.9030305@KingsMountain.com> In-Reply-To: <50C005B8.9030305@KingsMountain.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: xml2rfc list Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] how to submit updates to the bibxml2 misc reference collection? X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:49:48 -0000 On 12/06/2012 09:40 AM, =JeffH wrote: > Greetings again, > > In the distant past, I submitted various references to the > "Miscellaneous" reference collection.. > > http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml2/ > > ..back when Marshall Rose curated that collection by hand. > > How are updates to this collection being presently handled, or are > they being handled at all? AFAICT, nobody is doing this: I've submitted a number of references but none have ever showed up in the collection. I've even offered to take over the job of updating the collection with no response (possibly because there is no one to take over /from/). > > Am curious because I have a few references I'd contribute if I knew > how. In theory, you just send the reference to this list (but see above). > > thanks, > > =JeffH _______________________________________________ xml2rfc > mailing list xml2rfc@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc From yaronf.ietf@gmail.com Thu Dec 6 23:45:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A6B21F87E9 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2012 23:45:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JT1uMkGbdwNQ for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2012 23:45:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bk0-f44.google.com (mail-bk0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D67221F86B7 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2012 23:45:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-bk0-f44.google.com with SMTP id w11so67806bku.31 for ; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 23:45:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ZcC2/ApOAyqSaiP4iddjL5w2vNE3lJk7kvTqGZ+2+MY=; b=wvVlh6zgmfY15P4kwBL5j/QpvTfI3upUfNB3kKp/YkM9JNiLCxGztsDYrD+tJ5tx86 8wJKCN4rbtjNd5LwtidVbIi/46UdZHd97LbYHTuDsrOFwMq4wW867rpnjIaCWRi+f8vA 9tnaHk1DOb2wQRuitN8Ny3QreM3oTvlPmM1ZTdcwLrcg9AxAPiHSC1aU3zwOJ2YgPD/e 8smND0eQUIhv8hRVoJrFcYX4YGdFTgVZZe2vTnfN6Y2OG0VkPTJUgG74cfriBoesXeOA 3EH3evUAznIKpkx50Xn8TjYJB6BzqSHfm6vyB/g7OP0h0Pfikpy+d7r+Y90HXss0W0ce sKiA== Received: by 10.204.129.214 with SMTP id p22mr1608123bks.47.1354866336091; Thu, 06 Dec 2012 23:45:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.0.3] (bzq-79-180-163-165.red.bezeqint.net. [79.180.163.165]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u3sm8077889bkw.9.2012.12.06.23.45.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 06 Dec 2012 23:45:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50C19E9B.20103@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 09:45:31 +0200 From: Yaron Sheffer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xml2rfc@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [xml2rfc] Links in bibliographic items in the HTML version X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 07:45:38 -0000 Hi, I am trying to include a reference that's neither an RFC nor an I-D (see XML below). The output looks just fine, except that no matter what I do, the title is not wrapped in an "a" element in the HTML output, i.e. it is not a link, even though I supplied a target URL. Am I missing something? Distribution of Processing Times Thanks, Yaron From julian.reschke@gmx.de Fri Dec 7 00:34:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DE421F85C3 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2012 00:34:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pyrOh7itwKf0 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2012 00:34:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DD14021F853A for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2012 00:34:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 Dec 2012 08:33:59 -0000 Received: from p54BB3A66.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.178.36]) [84.187.58.102] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 07 Dec 2012 09:33:59 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1915285 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19dXo8Egrdddtxboj30Bk+vlcE2C6EyPBIMtuARMB Vom4cBm3S0AafS Message-ID: <50C1A9F6.5090607@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 09:33:58 +0100 From: Julian Reschke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yaron Sheffer References: <50C19E9B.20103@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <50C19E9B.20103@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: xml2rfc@ietf.org Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Links in bibliographic items in the HTML version X-BeenThere: xml2rfc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: ,