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No kidding.  I need to.  I've tried the below and end up with a blank
line after the target, and an annoying comma.  But anyway, anyone got
anything better?

<reference anchor='RFC-INDEX'>

<front>
<title>Index of all Requests for Comments</title>
<author initials='' surname='RFC Editor' fullname='RFC Editor'>
<organization /></author>
<date year='2014' month='August' />
<abstract>
<t>Index of all Requests for Comments</t></abstract></front>

<seriesInfo name='RFC' value='Index' />
<format type='TXT' target='http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc-index.txt' />
</reference>


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On Aug 5, 2014, at 6:15 AM, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote:

> No kidding.  I need to.  I've tried the below and end up with a blank
> line after the target, and an annoying comma.  But anyway, anyone got
> anything better?
>=20
> <reference anchor=3D'RFC-INDEX'>
>=20
> <front>
> <title>Index of all Requests for Comments</title>
> <author initials=3D'' surname=3D'RFC Editor' fullname=3D'RFC Editor'>
> <organization /></author>
> <date year=3D'2014' month=3D'August' />
> <abstract>
> <t>Index of all Requests for Comments</t></abstract></front>
>=20
> <seriesInfo name=3D'RFC' value=3D'Index' />
> <format type=3D'TXT' =
target=3D'http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc-index.txt' />
> </reference>


<reference anchor=3D'Index' =
target=3D"http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc-index.txt">
<front>
<title>Index of all Requests for Comments</title>
<author><organization>RFC Editor</organization></author>
<date year=3D'2014' month=3D'August' />
</front>
</reference>


   [Index]    RFC Editor, "Index of all Requests for Comments", August
              2014, <http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc-index.txt>.


I would leave off the date, though; too hard to remember to update it, =
and it isn't important until final RFC publication (if even then, for =
this particular citation?).

-d


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The <?rfc private=3D"..." ?> feature of the v1 and v2 xml2rfc processers is=
 not documented in draft-reschke-xml2rfc.  This feature is used by organiza=
tions outside of the IETF when producing specs.  For instance, draft OpenID=
 specifications use the directive:
                <?rfc private=3D"Draft" ?>
Final OpenID specifications use the directive:
                <?rfc private=3D"Final" ?>

Also, this directive is not documented, which is also used by these specifi=
cations:
                <?rfc iprnotified=3D"no" ?>

Could you please add these to the documented behaviors?

                                                                Thanks,
                                                                -- Mike


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I sent this to the google group and got no reply. Has anyone on this =
list tried upgrading to the latest xmlmind version and found a =
resolution to the import issue?

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> From: "Fred Baker (fred)" <fred@cisco.com>
> Subject: Issue in upgrading to XMLMind v 6_0_0
> Date: July 29, 2014 at 12:07:16 PM PDT
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>=20
> I have just downloaded the new code, which was apparently released a =
few weeks ago. Each time I do this I have to remember how to add the XXE =
add-on, and each time it seems just a little different.
>=20
> In this case, there is a URI that needs to be removed from the =
standard list, which is OK but took a little searching to find. But now =
attempting to add
> 	http://xml2rfc-xxe.googlecode.com/svn/release/xml2rfc.xxe_addon
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directory?) have to be zip encoded.=20
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> Anyone have a clue what the story is? What do I need to do?


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On 2014-08-11 20:55, Mike Jones wrote:
> The <?rfc private="..." ?> feature of the v1 and v2 xml2rfc processers
> is not documented in draft-reschke-xml2rfc.  This feature is used by
> organizations outside of the IETF when producing specs.  For instance,
> draft OpenID specifications use the directive:
>
>                  <?rfc private="Draft" ?>
>
> Final OpenID specifications use the directive:
>
>                  <?rfc private="Final" ?>
>
> Also, this directive is not documented, which is also used by these
> specifications:
>
>                  <?rfc iprnotified="no" ?>
>
> Could you please add these to the documented behaviors?

Hm, no.

These are directives of some processors, not part of the actual xml2rfv 
vocabulary.

Best regards, Julian


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On Aug 19, 2014, at 5:18 AM, Avri Doria <doriavr@gmail.com> wrote:

>=20
> I checked with xmlmind yesterday to see if they could give me a clue.  =
their answer:
>=20
>=20
> The xml2rfc-xxe-0.8.0 add-on is marked to be compatible with XMLmind =
XML Editor v5. This implies that it has not been upgraded to be made =
compatible with latest v6. That's why it is not listed in the "Install =
Add-ons" dialog box.
>=20
>=20
> I suggest that you contact the authors of this add-on and ask them to =
release a version which has been tested against XMLmind XML Editor v6. =
If the xml2rfc add-on already works OK with v5, then this should be a =
snap.=20
>  =20

Thanks. For the moment I have reverted to XMLMind 5.9, as that is what I =
was using before. I think Bill has let the project lapse, and I don=92t =
know who is maintaining it now.

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#271: Discrepancies between Windows GUI and online versions

 The Windows GUI version of XML2RFC ("Core version 2.3.5, GUI version
 0.8.0) is apparently incompatible with the current xml.resource.org online
 version (if there is a way to conveniently obtain precise version
 information for the latter, I wasn't able to find it).  As of today, the
 GUI version listed at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc2/gui/windows/ is
 xml2rfc-gui-0.8.0.msi, dated 2011-11-28.  The GUI version has no provision
 for fetching newer versions of any subsidiary ("core version"?) code, nor
 does there appear to be any advice about when and how to do that.

 Discrepancies include:

 (1) ?rfc symrefs="no" doesn't work in the GUI version -- symbolic citation
 anchors are produced in running text and numbered references appear in
 References sections.  The online version appears to work correctly.

 (2) The GUI version appears to calculate the expiration date based on the
 compilation date rather than on the data in the XML file.  Especially if
 there are plans about making the XML authoritative, any sort of DWIM
 heuristics are really bad news.

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 Priority:  medium             |  Milestone:
Component:  Version 2 gui      |    Version:  2.4.x
 Keywords:                     |
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#271: Discrepancies between Windows GUI and online versions


Comment (by john-ietf@jck.com):

 I just tried reinstalling the GUI version to see if it would update the
 "core" code to 2.4.x.  No luck and no change.

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 Component:  Version 2 gui      |    Version:  2.4.x
Resolution:                     |   Keywords:
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#272: in header, no blank line for empty organization in specific cases

 For a given author, if the organization is empty, a blank line should not
 appear for the empty organization if there is no chance of confusion with
 another author's organization. Example: if the author with the empty
 organization is the last author, then no blank line should be in the
 output. This is per the RSE and RPC Director. (This is a special case
 related to #108.)

 Current output:
 [there is a blank line when there is an empty organization. see attached
 file.]

 Desired output (when author with empty organization is the last one):
 {{{
 Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)                      J. Ryoo, Ed.
 Request for Comments: 7271                                          ETRI
 Updates: 6378                                               E. Gray, Ed.
 Category: Standards Track                                       Ericsson
 ISSN: 2070-1721                                          H. van Helvoort
                                                      Huawei Technologies
                                                          A. D'Alessandro
                                                           Telecom Italia
                                                                T. Cheung
                                                                     ETRI
                                                               E. Osborne
                                                                June 2014
 }}}

 Desired output (when each author has an empty organization):
 {{{
 Internet Architecture Board (IAB)                          H. Tschofenig
 Request for Comments: 7295                                     L. Eggert
 Category: Informational                                        Z. Sarker
 ISSN: 2070-1721                                                July 2014
 }}}

 The general case remains the same (i.e., keep the blank line):
 {{{
 Network Working Group                                          P. Traina
 Request for Comments: 5065
 Obsoletes: 3065                                             D. McPherson
 Category: Standards Track                                 Arbor Networks
                                                               J. Scudder
                                                         Juniper Networks
                                                              August 2007
 }}}

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     Type:  defect           |     Status:  new
 Priority:  medium           |  Milestone:
Component:  Version 2 cli    |    Version:  2.4.x
 Keywords:                   |
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On 2014-08-30 14:29, Eliot Lear wrote:
> I need something like this for a draft I'm writing that will work
> properly in all output formats.  Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eliot

For now:

<t><list><t>This is indented</t></list></t>

Or use <x:blockquote> as supported by rfc2629.xslt (which comes with a 
tool to convert down to "plain" xml2rfc). See 
<http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2629xslt/rfc2629xslt.html#ext.element.blockquote> 
and 
<http://greenbytes.de/tech/webdav/rfc2629xslt/rfc2629xslt.html#clean-for-dtd>.

Best regards, Julian