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I recently got to start on an Internet Draft of my own.  It has been 
some time that I have tackled this.  And I noticed I have Geany as an 
editior on my linux Xfce desktop.  I gave it a try and so far I am happy 
with it.

I can collapse and expand sections as needed, making it easier to work 
around the document.

The only plugin I have used so far is the spell checker and it caught a 
few errors, but it would be nice to get all of the IETF words into the 
dictionary!

My question here is:

Has anyone else used it and what have they done to make it a better 
editor.  Particularly are the any templates or plugins to add?

There is also a Windows binary available...



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#306: AUTH48 changes for draft-iab-xml2rfcv2


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 From [2119]:

 hyphenation and spaces (see #306)

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 From [2120]:

 "References" section (see #306)

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 From [2121]:

 singular/plural (see #306)

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 From [2133]:

 typoes/language/quoting etc (see #306)

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#306: AUTH48 changes for draft-iab-xml2rfcv2


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 From [2134]:

 IANA Considerations (see #306)

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 Remove change tracking (see #306)

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 Fixes in references (see #306)

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 From [2137]:

 reference format, leftovers (see #306)

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 Cite RFC7322 instead of RFCPOLICY (see #306)

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 From [2142]:

 Minor changes to boilerplate appendix (see #306)

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 Add reference for ABNF (see #306)

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 From [2144]:

 entire sentence is parenthetical (see #306)

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 From [2145]:

 insert 'default' before ''Network Working Group string'' (see #306)

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 From [2146]:

 lowercase XML2RFC (see #306)

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#306: AUTH48 changes for draft-iab-xml2rfcv2


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 From [2155]:

 lowercase XML2RFC in title (see #306)

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#306: AUTH48 changes for draft-iab-xml2rfcv2


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 From [2156]:

 'RFC2629' -> 'RFC 2629' (see #306)

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#306: AUTH48 changes for draft-iab-xml2rfcv2


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 add 'obsoletes' statement to abstract (see #306)

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#306: AUTH48 changes for draft-iab-xml2rfcv2


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 Remove 'Editorial Note' (see #306)

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On 01/21/2016 02:36 AM, Jim Schaad wrote:
> <list style="hanging">
> <t hangText="list discriptor 1"><vspace>blah, blah, blah</t> ...

failed with:

Unable to Validate File

WARNING: Parsing Error: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 153 
and t, line 157, column 5
ERROR: Unable to parse the XML document: INPUT
  INPUT: Line 157: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 153 and t
  INPUT: Line 157: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 153 and t
  INPUT: Line 160: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 158 and t
  INPUT: Line 167: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 161 and t
  INPUT: Line 175: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 168 and t


>
> But I personally don't like that style myself.   Note that it appears this
> will be the default style for the v3 world.
>
> Jim
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: xml2rfc [mailto:xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert
>> Moskowitz
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 10:08 PM
>> To: xml2rfc@ietf.org
>> Subject: [xml2rfc] Help with lists with embedded text block
>>
>> I am trying to get a little better in my formatting and am trying to do:
>>
>>       list discriptor 1
>>
>>           blah, blah, blah
>>
>>       list discriptor 2
>>
>>           blah, blah, blah
>>
>>       list discriptor 3
>>
>>           blah, blah, blah
>>
>>
>> Etc.
>>
>> I have tried
>>
>> <list style="hanging">
>> <t hangText="list discriptor 1">blah, blah, blah</t> ...
>>
>> But that clearly does not yield what I want.  I am assuming there is this
> nice help
>> page that tells me all the different list styles and what they produce,
> but my
>> search foo is weak and perhaps it is just too late tonight.
>>
>> Anyway, any help here is greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> xml2rfc@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc
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On 2016-01-21 07:08, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> I am trying to get a little better in my formatting and am trying to do:
>
>      list discriptor 1
>
>          blah, blah, blah
>
>      list discriptor 2
>
>          blah, blah, blah
>
>      list discriptor 3
>
>          blah, blah, blah
>
>
> Etc.
>
> I have tried
>
> <list style="hanging">
> <t hangText="list discriptor 1">blah, blah, blah</t>
> ...
>
> But that clearly does not yield what I want.  I am assuming there is
> this nice help page that tells me all the different list styles and what
> they produce, but my search foo is weak and perhaps it is just too late
> tonight.
>
> Anyway, any help here is greatly appreciated.

Try:

<t>
   list discriptor 1
   <list style="empty">
     blah, blah, blah
   </list>
</t>

(repeat...)

Best regards, Julian


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Robert,

the only reason I see that what you have (and failed with), is that
vsapce takes a trailing /, <space /> not <vspace>. I actually find it
a good practice to include the "blanklines" in vspace;
i.e. <vspace blankLines="1" />

/Loa

On 2016-01-21 19:58, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>
> On 01/21/2016 02:36 AM, Jim Schaad wrote:
>> <list style="hanging">
>> <t hangText="list discriptor 1"><vspace>blah, blah, blah</t> ...
>
> failed with:
>
> Unable to Validate File
>
> WARNING: Parsing Error: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 153
> and t, line 157, column 5
> ERROR: Unable to parse the XML document: INPUT
>   INPUT: Line 157: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 153 and t
>   INPUT: Line 157: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 153 and t
>   INPUT: Line 160: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 158 and t
>   INPUT: Line 167: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 161 and t
>   INPUT: Line 175: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 168 and t
>
>
>>
>> But I personally don't like that style myself.   Note that it appears
>> this
>> will be the default style for the v3 world.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: xml2rfc [mailto:xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert
>>> Moskowitz
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 10:08 PM
>>> To: xml2rfc@ietf.org
>>> Subject: [xml2rfc] Help with lists with embedded text block
>>>
>>> I am trying to get a little better in my formatting and am trying to do:
>>>
>>>       list discriptor 1
>>>
>>>           blah, blah, blah
>>>
>>>       list discriptor 2
>>>
>>>           blah, blah, blah
>>>
>>>       list discriptor 3
>>>
>>>           blah, blah, blah
>>>
>>>
>>> Etc.
>>>
>>> I have tried
>>>
>>> <list style="hanging">
>>> <t hangText="list discriptor 1">blah, blah, blah</t> ...
>>>
>>> But that clearly does not yield what I want.  I am assuming there is
>>> this
>> nice help
>>> page that tells me all the different list styles and what they produce,
>> but my
>>> search foo is weak and perhaps it is just too late tonight.
>>>
>>> Anyway, any help here is greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> xml2rfc mailing list
>>> xml2rfc@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc
>>
>
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On 01/21/2016 08:04 AM, Loa Andersson wrote:
> Robert,
>
> the only reason I see that what you have (and failed with), is that
> vsapce takes a trailing /, <space /> not <vspace>. I actually find it
> a good practice to include the "blanklines" in vspace;
> i.e. <vspace blankLines="1" />

AH, that works well.

Now next I would really like the <t hangText="list discriptor 1"> to 
start with a bullet.

Not asking too much here, I hope!

>
> /Loa
>
> On 2016-01-21 19:58, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 01/21/2016 02:36 AM, Jim Schaad wrote:
>>> <list style="hanging">
>>> <t hangText="list discriptor 1"><vspace>blah, blah, blah</t> ...
>>
>> failed with:
>>
>> Unable to Validate File
>>
>> WARNING: Parsing Error: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 153
>> and t, line 157, column 5
>> ERROR: Unable to parse the XML document: INPUT
>>   INPUT: Line 157: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 153 
>> and t
>>   INPUT: Line 157: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 153 
>> and t
>>   INPUT: Line 160: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 158 
>> and t
>>   INPUT: Line 167: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 161 
>> and t
>>   INPUT: Line 175: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 168 
>> and t
>>
>>
>>>
>>> But I personally don't like that style myself.   Note that it appears
>>> this
>>> will be the default style for the v3 world.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: xml2rfc [mailto:xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert
>>>> Moskowitz
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 10:08 PM
>>>> To: xml2rfc@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: [xml2rfc] Help with lists with embedded text block
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to get a little better in my formatting and am trying 
>>>> to do:
>>>>
>>>>       list discriptor 1
>>>>
>>>>           blah, blah, blah
>>>>
>>>>       list discriptor 2
>>>>
>>>>           blah, blah, blah
>>>>
>>>>       list discriptor 3
>>>>
>>>>           blah, blah, blah
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Etc.
>>>>
>>>> I have tried
>>>>
>>>> <list style="hanging">
>>>> <t hangText="list discriptor 1">blah, blah, blah</t> ...
>>>>
>>>> But that clearly does not yield what I want.  I am assuming there is
>>>> this
>>> nice help
>>>> page that tells me all the different list styles and what they 
>>>> produce,
>>> but my
>>>> search foo is weak and perhaps it is just too late tonight.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, any help here is greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> xml2rfc mailing list
>>>> xml2rfc@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Robert,

On 2016-01-21 23:22, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>
> On 01/21/2016 08:04 AM, Loa Andersson wrote:
>> Robert,
>>
>> the only reason I see that what you have (and failed with), is that
>> vsapce takes a trailing /, <space /> not <vspace>. I actually find it
>> a good practice to include the "blanklines" in vspace;
>> i.e. <vspace blankLines="1" />
>
> AH, that works well.
>
> Now next I would really like the <t hangText="list discriptor 1"> to
> start with a bullet.
The only way to make that happen that I know of is to put in manually,
i.e. <t hangText="* list discriptor 1">.

Not pretty, and there might be other ways.

/Loa
>
> Not asking too much here, I hope!
>
>>
>> /Loa
>>
>> On 2016-01-21 19:58, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/21/2016 02:36 AM, Jim Schaad wrote:
>>>> <list style="hanging">
>>>> <t hangText="list discriptor 1"><vspace>blah, blah, blah</t> ...
>>>
>>> failed with:
>>>
>>> Unable to Validate File
>>>
>>> WARNING: Parsing Error: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 153
>>> and t, line 157, column 5
>>> ERROR: Unable to parse the XML document: INPUT
>>>   INPUT: Line 157: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 153
>>> and t
>>>   INPUT: Line 157: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 153
>>> and t
>>>   INPUT: Line 160: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 158
>>> and t
>>>   INPUT: Line 167: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 161
>>> and t
>>>   INPUT: Line 175: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 168
>>> and t
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> But I personally don't like that style myself.   Note that it appears
>>>> this
>>>> will be the default style for the v3 world.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: xml2rfc [mailto:xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert
>>>>> Moskowitz
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 10:08 PM
>>>>> To: xml2rfc@ietf.org
>>>>> Subject: [xml2rfc] Help with lists with embedded text block
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to get a little better in my formatting and am trying
>>>>> to do:
>>>>>
>>>>>       list discriptor 1
>>>>>
>>>>>           blah, blah, blah
>>>>>
>>>>>       list discriptor 2
>>>>>
>>>>>           blah, blah, blah
>>>>>
>>>>>       list discriptor 3
>>>>>
>>>>>           blah, blah, blah
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have tried
>>>>>
>>>>> <list style="hanging">
>>>>> <t hangText="list discriptor 1">blah, blah, blah</t> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> But that clearly does not yield what I want.  I am assuming there is
>>>>> this
>>>> nice help
>>>>> page that tells me all the different list styles and what they
>>>>> produce,
>>>> but my
>>>>> search foo is weak and perhaps it is just too late tonight.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, any help here is greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
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On 01/21/2016 08:07 PM, Loa Andersson wrote:
> Robert,
>
> On 2016-01-21 23:22, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 01/21/2016 08:04 AM, Loa Andersson wrote:
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> the only reason I see that what you have (and failed with), is that
>>> vsapce takes a trailing /, <space /> not <vspace>. I actually find it
>>> a good practice to include the "blanklines" in vspace;
>>> i.e. <vspace blankLines="1" />
>>
>> AH, that works well.
>>
>> Now next I would really like the <t hangText="list discriptor 1"> to
>> start with a bullet.
> The only way to make that happen that I know of is to put in manually,
> i.e. <t hangText="* list discriptor 1">.

I used an 'o'; it looks a bit better.

> Not pretty, and there might be other ways.

This will do for the ID.  :)

>
> /Loa
>>
>> Not asking too much here, I hope!
>>
>>>
>>> /Loa
>>>
>>> On 2016-01-21 19:58, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 01/21/2016 02:36 AM, Jim Schaad wrote:
>>>>> <list style="hanging">
>>>>> <t hangText="list discriptor 1"><vspace>blah, blah, blah</t> ...
>>>>
>>>> failed with:
>>>>
>>>> Unable to Validate File
>>>>
>>>> WARNING: Parsing Error: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace 
>>>> line 153
>>>> and t, line 157, column 5
>>>> ERROR: Unable to parse the XML document: INPUT
>>>>   INPUT: Line 157: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 153
>>>> and t
>>>>   INPUT: Line 157: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 153
>>>> and t
>>>>   INPUT: Line 160: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 158
>>>> and t
>>>>   INPUT: Line 167: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 161
>>>> and t
>>>>   INPUT: Line 175: Opening and ending tag mismatch: vspace line 168
>>>> and t
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But I personally don't like that style myself.   Note that it appears
>>>>> this
>>>>> will be the default style for the v3 world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: xml2rfc [mailto:xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robert
>>>>>> Moskowitz
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 10:08 PM
>>>>>> To: xml2rfc@ietf.org
>>>>>> Subject: [xml2rfc] Help with lists with embedded text block
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am trying to get a little better in my formatting and am trying
>>>>>> to do:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       list discriptor 1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           blah, blah, blah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       list discriptor 2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           blah, blah, blah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       list discriptor 3
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           blah, blah, blah
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have tried
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <list style="hanging">
>>>>>> <t hangText="list discriptor 1">blah, blah, blah</t> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But that clearly does not yield what I want.  I am assuming there is
>>>>>> this
>>>>> nice help
>>>>>> page that tells me all the different list styles and what they
>>>>>> produce,
>>>>> but my
>>>>>> search foo is weak and perhaps it is just too late tonight.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, any help here is greatly appreciated.


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#306: AUTH48 changes for draft-iab-xml2rfcv2


Comment (by julian.reschke@gmx.de):

 From [2159]:

 Fix quoting (see #306)

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Folks,

I'm in the process to convert an "old" document to xml, creating a
bis document.

I want to come as close as possible to the original, even in details.

In the document I have for exmple:

    Context:

       -  LSR.  The LSR handling the event.

       -  FEC.  The FEC for which a label was requested.

To create the "-" I currently use "list style"format -  ">

Works OK, but gives me a waring, is there another way of doing it?
If there is not, for the time being I can live with the warning.

/Loa

PS

How much effort would it be to create a style="hyphen" or a
"style="format %-" ??


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#306: AUTH48 changes for draft-iab-xml2rfcv2


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 From [2160]:

 RFC 7749 (see #306)

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#306: AUTH48 changes for draft-iab-xml2rfcv2

Changes (by julian.reschke@gmx.de):

 * status:  new => closed
 * resolution:   => fixed


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 update metadata (see #306)

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I have just noticed that some ID references do not need the version 
number.  For example:

      <?rfc include="reference.I-D.ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis.xml"?>

where as others need the version:

     <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-ietf-dots-requirements-00.xml"?>
     <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-kivinen-ipsecme-oob-pubkey-14.xml"?>

Why is that?  What has to be done so that version number is not needed?

thanks



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Robert,

I believe that it is the choice of the writer of the document.  If you
put the include without the version number, you will get the latest one,
i.e., it will "automatically" update to the most recent one, each time
that you compile.

If you put the specific version, it will always bring up exactly that.
The only time that this is useful is when you have to refer to a
specific version of the draft.  (For example, when taking about
something that has been deleted from some later version.)

  Bill

On 28/01/2016 11:48 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> I have just noticed that some ID references do not need the version
> number.  For example:
> 
>      <?rfc include="reference.I-D.ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis.xml"?>
> 
> where as others need the version:
> 
>     <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-ietf-dots-requirements-00.xml"?>
>     <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-kivinen-ipsecme-oob-pubkey-14.xml"?>
> 
> Why is that?  What has to be done so that version number is not needed?
> 
> thanks
> 
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Aha,

I missed the need for "draft-" when looking for a specific version.

Thank you for the confirmation.

  Bill

On 28/01/2016 12:50 PM, HANSEN, TONY L wrote:
> Bill, you are correct. References to individual versions are available using â€œreference.I-D.draft-....â€ names, and references to the â€œlatest and greatestâ€ are available using â€œreference.I-D....â€ names.
> 
> 	Tony
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/28/16, 12:44 PM, "xml2rfc on behalf of William Atwood" <xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of william.atwood@concordia.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Robert,
>>
>> I believe that it is the choice of the writer of the document.  If you
>> put the include without the version number, you will get the latest one,
>> i.e., it will "automatically" update to the most recent one, each time
>> that you compile.
>>
>> If you put the specific version, it will always bring up exactly that.
>> The only time that this is useful is when you have to refer to a
>> specific version of the draft.  (For example, when taking about
>> something that has been deleted from some later version.)
>>
>>  Bill
>>
>> On 28/01/2016 11:48 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>> I have just noticed that some ID references do not need the version
>>> number.  For example:
>>>
>>>      <?rfc include="reference.I-D.ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis.xml"?>
>>>
>>> where as others need the version:
>>>
>>>     <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-ietf-dots-requirements-00.xml"?>
>>>     <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-kivinen-ipsecme-oob-pubkey-14.xml"?>
>>>
>>> Why is that?  What has to be done so that version number is not needed?
>>>
>>> thanks

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Does not seem to work.

I changed:

     <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse-01.xml"?>


     <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml"?>

and got:

Unable to Validate File

ERROR: Unable to parse the XML document: INPUT
  INPUT: Line 331: Unable to resolve external request: 
"reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml"

Using 
XML_LIBRARY=/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml2:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml3:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml4:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml5:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml6
Parsing file INPUT
Resolving entity... 
/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/xml2rfc-2.5.1.dev0-py2.7.egg/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629.dtd
Resolving entity... 
/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/xml2rfc-2.5.1.dev0-py2.7.egg/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent
Resolving entity... 
/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/xml2rfc-2.5.1.dev0-py2.7.egg/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-other.ent
Resolving entity... 
/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/xml2rfc-2.5.1.dev0-py2.7.egg/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629.dtd
Resolving entity... 
/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/xml2rfc-2.5.1.dev0-py2.7.egg/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent
Resolving entity... 
/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/xml2rfc-2.5.1.dev0-py2.7.egg/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-other.ent
Resolving include... 
/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.2119.xml
Resolving include... 
/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.1421.xml
Resolving include... 
/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.2784.xml
Resolving include... 
/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.3095.xml
Resolving include... 
/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.4303.xml
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/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.5996.xml
Resolving include... 
/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.7401.xml
Resolving include... 
/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-ietf-dots-requirements-00.xml
Resolving include... 
http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for 
'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
Resolving include... 
http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for 
'http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
Resolving include... 
http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for 
'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
Resolving include... 
http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml2/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for 
'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml2/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
Resolving include... 
http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml2/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for 
'http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml2/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
Resolving include... 
http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml2/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for 
'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml2/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
Resolving include... 
http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for 
'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
Resolving include... 
http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for 
'http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
Resolving include... 
http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for 
'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
Resolving include... 
http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml4/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for 
'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml4/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
Resolving include... 
http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml4/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for 
'http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml4/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
Resolving include... 
http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml4/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
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'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml4/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
Resolving include... 
http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml5/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
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'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml5/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
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http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml5/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
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'http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml5/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
Resolving include... 
http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml5/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for 
'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml5/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'


On 01/28/2016 01:01 PM, William Atwood wrote:
> Aha,
>
> I missed the need for "draft-" when looking for a specific version.
>
> Thank you for the confirmation.
>
>    Bill
>
> On 28/01/2016 12:50 PM, HANSEN, TONY L wrote:
>> Bill, you are correct. References to individual versions are available using “reference.I-D.draft-....” names, and references to the “latest and greatest” are available using “reference.I-D....” names.
>>
>> 	Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/28/16, 12:44 PM, "xml2rfc on behalf of William Atwood" <xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of william.atwood@concordia.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> I believe that it is the choice of the writer of the document.  If you
>>> put the include without the version number, you will get the latest one,
>>> i.e., it will "automatically" update to the most recent one, each time
>>> that you compile.
>>>
>>> If you put the specific version, it will always bring up exactly that.
>>> The only time that this is useful is when you have to refer to a
>>> specific version of the draft.  (For example, when taking about
>>> something that has been deleted from some later version.)
>>>
>>>   Bill
>>>
>>> On 28/01/2016 11:48 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>> I have just noticed that some ID references do not need the version
>>>> number.  For example:
>>>>
>>>>       <?rfc include="reference.I-D.ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis.xml"?>
>>>>
>>>> where as others need the version:
>>>>
>>>>      <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-ietf-dots-requirements-00.xml"?>
>>>>      <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-kivinen-ipsecme-oob-pubkey-14.xml"?>
>>>>
>>>> Why is that?  What has to be done so that version number is not needed?
>>>>
>>>> thanks


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Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Some ID references require version, some don't
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On 01/28/2016 01:28 PM, HANSEN, TONY L wrote:
> Change <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml”?> to <?rfc include=“reference.I-D.moskowitz-sse.xml”?>
>
> (The series names do not start with “draft-”.

Got it!  I read your earlier response backwards.  I will blame my 
dyslexia.  :)

One more thing learned and cleaned up.

>
>
>
> On 1/28/16, 1:18 PM, "Robert Moskowitz" <rgm@htt-consult.com> wrote:
>
>> Does not seem to work.
>>
>> I changed:
>>
>>      <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse-01.xml"?>
>>
>>
>>      <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml"?>
>>
>> and got:
>>
>> Unable to Validate File
>>
>> ERROR: Unable to parse the XML document: INPUT
>>   INPUT: Line 331: Unable to resolve external request:
>> "reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml"
>>
>> Using
>> XML_LIBRARY=/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml2:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml3:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml4:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml5:/home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml6
>> Parsing file INPUT
>> Resolving entity...
>> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/xml2rfc-2.5.1.dev0-py2.7.egg/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629.dtd
>> Resolving entity...
>> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/xml2rfc-2.5.1.dev0-py2.7.egg/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent
>> Resolving entity...
>> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/xml2rfc-2.5.1.dev0-py2.7.egg/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-other.ent
>> Resolving entity...
>> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/xml2rfc-2.5.1.dev0-py2.7.egg/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629.dtd
>> Resolving entity...
>> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/xml2rfc-2.5.1.dev0-py2.7.egg/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-xhtml.ent
>> Resolving entity...
>> /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/xml2rfc-2.5.1.dev0-py2.7.egg/xml2rfc/templates/rfc2629-other.ent
>> Resolving include...
>> /home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.2119.xml
>> Resolving include...
>> /home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.1421.xml
>> Resolving include...
>> /home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.2784.xml
>> Resolving include...
>> /home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.3095.xml
>> Resolving include...
>> /home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.4303.xml
>> Resolving include...
>> /home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.5996.xml
>> Resolving include...
>> /home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.RFC.7401.xml
>> Resolving include...
>> /home/www/tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/web/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-ietf-dots-requirements-00.xml
>> Resolving include...
>> http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
>> URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for
>> 'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
>> Resolving include...
>> http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
>> URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for
>> 'http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
>> Resolving include...
>> http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
>> URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for
>> 'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
>> Resolving include...
>> http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml2/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
>> URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for
>> 'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml2/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
>> Resolving include...
>> http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml2/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
>> URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for
>> 'http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml2/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
>> Resolving include...
>> http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml2/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
>> URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for
>> 'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml2/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
>> Resolving include...
>> http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
>> URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for
>> 'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
>> Resolving include...
>> http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
>> URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for
>> 'http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
>> Resolving include...
>> http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
>> URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for
>> 'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml3/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
>> Resolving include...
>> http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml4/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
>> URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for
>> 'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml4/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
>> Resolving include...
>> http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml4/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
>> URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for
>> 'http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml4/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
>> Resolving include...
>> http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml4/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
>> URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for
>> 'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml4/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
>> Resolving include...
>> http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml5/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
>> URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for
>> 'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml5/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
>> Resolving include...
>> http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml5/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
>> URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for
>> 'http://xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml5/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
>> Resolving include...
>> http://xml.resource.org/public/rfc/bibxml5/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml
>> URL retrieval failed with status code 404 for
>> 'http://xml2rfc.ietf.org/public/rfc/bibxml5/reference.I-D.draft-moskowitz-sse.xml'
>>
>>
>> On 01/28/2016 01:01 PM, William Atwood wrote:
>>> Aha,
>>>
>>> I missed the need for "draft-" when looking for a specific version.
>>>
>>> Thank you for the confirmation.
>>>
>>>     Bill
>>>
>>> On 28/01/2016 12:50 PM, HANSEN, TONY L wrote:
>>>> Bill, you are correct. References to individual versions are available using “reference.I-D.draft-....” names, and references to the “latest and greatest” are available using “reference.I-D....” names.
>>>>
>>>> 	Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/28/16, 12:44 PM, "xml2rfc on behalf of William Atwood" <xml2rfc-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of william.atwood@concordia.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that it is the choice of the writer of the document.  If you
>>>>> put the include without the version number, you will get the latest one,
>>>>> i.e., it will "automatically" update to the most recent one, each time
>>>>> that you compile.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you put the specific version, it will always bring up exactly that.
>>>>> The only time that this is useful is when you have to refer to a
>>>>> specific version of the draft.  (For example, when taking about
>>>>> something that has been deleted from some later version.)
>>>>>
>>>>>    Bill
>>>>>
>>>>> On 28/01/2016 11:48 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>>>> I have just noticed that some ID references do not need the version
>>>>>> number.  For example:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        <?rfc include="reference.I-D.ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis.xml"?>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> where as others need the version:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-ietf-dots-requirements-00.xml"?>
>>>>>>       <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-kivinen-ipsecme-oob-pubkey-14.xml"?>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is that?  What has to be done so that version number is not needed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks


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Bob,
On 29/01/2016 05:48, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> I have just noticed that some ID references do not need the version number.  For example:
> 
>      <?rfc include="reference.I-D.ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis.xml"?>
> 
> where as others need the version:
> 
>     <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-ietf-dots-requirements-00.xml"?>
>     <?rfc include="reference.I-D.draft-kivinen-ipsecme-oob-pubkey-14.xml"?>
> 
> Why is that?  What has to be done so that version number is not needed?
> 

s/draft-//

<?rfc include="reference.I-D.ietf-dots-requirements.xml"?>
<?rfc include="reference.I-D.kivinen-ipsecme-oob-pubkey.xml"?>

A mistake I have made a million times ;-)

     Brian


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I just noticed...

that in the references, the last author is first name first.  e.g.:

    [RFC3095]  Bormann, C., Burmeister, C., Degermark, M., Fukushima, H.,
               Hannu, H., Jonsson, L-E., Hakenberg, R., Koren, T., Le,
               K., Liu, Z., Martensson, A., Miyazaki, A., Svanbro, K.,
               Wiebke, T., Yoshimura, T., and H. Zheng, "RObust Header
               Compression (ROHC): Framework and four profiles: RTP, UDP,
               ESP, and uncompressed", RFC 3095, DOI 10.17487/RFC3095,
               July 2001, <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc3095>.


Is this the correct format?



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On 2016-01-28 21:16, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> I just noticed...
>
> that in the references, the last author is first name first.  e.g.:
>
>     [RFC3095]  Bormann, C., Burmeister, C., Degermark, M., Fukushima, H.,
>                Hannu, H., Jonsson, L-E., Hakenberg, R., Koren, T., Le,
>                K., Liu, Z., Martensson, A., Miyazaki, A., Svanbro, K.,
>                Wiebke, T., Yoshimura, T., and H. Zheng, "RObust Header
>                Compression (ROHC): Framework and four profiles: RTP, UDP,
>                ESP, and uncompressed", RFC 3095, DOI 10.17487/RFC3095,
>                July 2001, <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc3095>.
>
>
> Is this the correct format?

Yes.


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On 01/28/2016 03:33 PM, Julian Reschke wrote:
> On 2016-01-28 21:16, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> I just noticed...
>>
>> that in the references, the last author is first name first. e.g.:
>>
>>     [RFC3095]  Bormann, C., Burmeister, C., Degermark, M., Fukushima, 
>> H.,
>>                Hannu, H., Jonsson, L-E., Hakenberg, R., Koren, T., Le,
>>                K., Liu, Z., Martensson, A., Miyazaki, A., Svanbro, K.,
>>                Wiebke, T., Yoshimura, T., and H. Zheng, "RObust Header
>>                Compression (ROHC): Framework and four profiles: RTP, 
>> UDP,
>>                ESP, and uncompressed", RFC 3095, DOI 10.17487/RFC3095,
>>                July 2001, <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc3095>.
>>
>>
>> Is this the correct format?
>
> Yes.
>
>
Just reads weird to me.  But then I am not a writing style expert...

thanks


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On 28/01/2016 4:15 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> 
> 
> On 01/28/2016 03:33 PM, Julian Reschke wrote:
>> On 2016-01-28 21:16, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>> I just noticed...
>>>
>>> that in the references, the last author is first name first. e.g.:
>>>
>>>     [RFC3095]  Bormann, C., Burmeister, C., Degermark, M., Fukushima,
>>> H.,
>>>                Hannu, H., Jonsson, L-E., Hakenberg, R., Koren, T., Le,
>>>                K., Liu, Z., Martensson, A., Miyazaki, A., Svanbro, K.,
>>>                Wiebke, T., Yoshimura, T., and H. Zheng, "RObust Header
>>>                Compression (ROHC): Framework and four profiles: RTP,
>>> UDP,
>>>                ESP, and uncompressed", RFC 3095, DOI 10.17487/RFC3095,
>>>                July 2001, <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc3095>.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is this the correct format?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>
> Just reads weird to me.  But then I am not a writing style expert...
> 
> thanks
> 

I have seen this style many times, and (like Robert) it has always
puzzled me.  Can anyone tell me why is it considered "correct"?  It
certainly is not "consistent".

  Bill

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On 01/28/2016 04:23 PM, William Atwood wrote:
>
> On 28/01/2016 4:15 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>> On 01/28/2016 03:33 PM, Julian Reschke wrote:
>>> On 2016-01-28 21:16, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>> I just noticed...
>>>>
>>>> that in the references, the last author is first name first. e.g.:
>>>>
>>>>      [RFC3095]  Bormann, C., Burmeister, C., Degermark, M., Fukushima,
>>>> H.,
>>>>                 Hannu, H., Jonsson, L-E., Hakenberg, R., Koren, T., Le,
>>>>                 K., Liu, Z., Martensson, A., Miyazaki, A., Svanbro, K.,
>>>>                 Wiebke, T., Yoshimura, T., and H. Zheng, "RObust Header
>>>>                 Compression (ROHC): Framework and four profiles: RTP,
>>>> UDP,
>>>>                 ESP, and uncompressed", RFC 3095, DOI 10.17487/RFC3095,
>>>>                 July 2001, <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc3095>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is this the correct format?
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>
>> Just reads weird to me.  But then I am not a writing style expert...
>>
>> thanks
>>
> I have seen this style many times, and (like Robert) it has always
> puzzled me.  Can anyone tell me why is it considered "correct"?  It
> certainly is not "consistent".

It is probably in some bibliography style sheet that all that edit 
technical papers know they had best follow.

Many weird things in style books.  Read the book, "Eats, Shoots, and 
Leaves"  :)



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On 2016-01-28 22:23, William Atwood wrote:
> On 28/01/2016 4:15 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 01/28/2016 03:33 PM, Julian Reschke wrote:
>>> On 2016-01-28 21:16, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>> I just noticed...
>>>>
>>>> that in the references, the last author is first name first. e.g.:
>>>>
>>>>      [RFC3095]  Bormann, C., Burmeister, C., Degermark, M., Fukushima,
>>>> H.,
>>>>                 Hannu, H., Jonsson, L-E., Hakenberg, R., Koren, T., Le,
>>>>                 K., Liu, Z., Martensson, A., Miyazaki, A., Svanbro, K.,
>>>>                 Wiebke, T., Yoshimura, T., and H. Zheng, "RObust Header
>>>>                 Compression (ROHC): Framework and four profiles: RTP,
>>>> UDP,
>>>>                 ESP, and uncompressed", RFC 3095, DOI 10.17487/RFC3095,
>>>>                 July 2001, <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc3095>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is this the correct format?
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>
>> Just reads weird to me.  But then I am not a writing style expert...
>>
>> thanks
>>
>
> I have seen this style many times, and (like Robert) it has always
> puzzled me.  Can anyone tell me why is it considered "correct"?  It
> certainly is not "consistent".
>
>    Bill

That's a question for rfc-interest, not xml2rfc (xml2rfc just outputs 
what the RFC Editor wants to see).

Best regards, Julian


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On 01/28/2016 01:16 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> I just noticed...
>=20
> that in the references, the last author is first name first.  e.g.:
>=20
>    [RFC3095]  Bormann, C., Burmeister, C., Degermark, M., Fukushima, H.=
,
>               Hannu, H., Jonsson, L-E., Hakenberg, R., Koren, T., Le,
>               K., Liu, Z., Martensson, A., Miyazaki, A., Svanbro, K.,
>               Wiebke, T., Yoshimura, T., and H. Zheng, "RObust Header
>               Compression (ROHC): Framework and four profiles: RTP, UDP=
,
>               ESP, and uncompressed", RFC 3095, DOI 10.17487/RFC3095,
>               July 2001, <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc3095>.
>=20
>=20
> Is this the correct format?

Checked several RFC's. All that I found did that. Odd to me.

Maybe its to avoid saying (H.) followed by the period:

		Zheng, H..

--=20

Doug Royer - (http://DougRoyer.US)
DouglasRoyer@gmail.com
714-989-6135


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