From nobody Sun Dec 3 05:44:50 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 100attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 100attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF8D126DFB for <100attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 05:44:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZU6OqmsckOUv for <100attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 05:44:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sainfoin-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.167.192.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D7CA126E3A for <100attendees@ietf.org>; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 05:44:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id vB3Diimt014391; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 14:44:44 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 90DF4200C5C; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 14:44:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80484200B3D; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 14:44:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from [132.166.84.99] ([132.166.84.99]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id vB3DiiB4005940; Sun, 3 Dec 2017 14:44:44 +0100 To: Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: 100attendees@ietf.org References: <6449c459-68e5-4fa2-911b-db3cb3d96b80@cea.fr> <7F2A899D-40C3-47CD-A805-5AFF943ABE42@cisco.com> <34351_1511016093_5A10469C_34351_14465_1_d9b4cc17-c882-3f91-9743-0520838871f9@cea.fr> <49171_1511250201_5A13D919_49171_12611_4_4dc8165d-7c2a-4f17-e551-df5cfa711624@cea.fr> <2a7e1dba-9a23-f7bb-532a-07d6ce86a27d@cea.fr> From: Alexandre PETRESCU Organization: CEA Message-ID: <608b66f0-8bc9-3f43-2d2b-cc79bba7a463@cea.fr> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 14:44:43 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms090800000805030206060804" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [100attendees] [PROVENANCE INTERNET] Re: Long taxi itinerary from IETF hotel to airport X-BeenThere: 100attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 100 attendees that have opted in on this list." <100attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 13:44:49 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090800000805030206060804 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------C784D8EA12B67BAF6EC2D7BB" Content-Language: fr This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C784D8EA12B67BAF6EC2D7BB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Last Thursday the same officer wrote another email asking same=20 questions, as if s/he did not see my previous answers. I gave same answers, except this time I said I am not opposing writing a = signed statement about the facts as I know them. (I did not ask to fly me back First Class, because it would still be=20 much time to spend). Let's see. -- Alexandre Petrescu alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223 Le 25/11/2017 =C3=A0 18:05, Mikael Abrahamsson a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > On Sat, 25 Nov 2017, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote: > >> ('testify in court'... for such simple matters...) > > I appreciate that they take these matters seriously. This is one thing = > I like about Singapore. > > You could at least offer to write a signed statement about the facts=20 > as you know them. > --------------C784D8EA12B67BAF6EC2D7BB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Last Thursday the sam= e officer wrote another email asking same questions, as if s/he did not see my previous answers.

I gave same answers, except this time I said I am not opposing writing a signed statement about the facts as I know them.

(I did not ask to fly= me back First Class, because it would still be much time to spend).

Let's see.

--
Alexandre Petrescu
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223
Le 25/11/2017 =C3=A0 18:05, Mikael Abrahamsson a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
O= n Sat, 25 Nov 2017, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote:

('testify in court'... for such simple matters...)

I appreciate that they take these matters seriously. This is one thing I like about Singapore.

You could at least offer to write a signed statement about the facts as you know them.


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Warren Kumari Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 15:43:41 +0000 Message-ID: To: Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: 100attendees@ietf.org, Glenn McKnight Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="089e082fee3800021d055f717889" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [100attendees] [PROVENANCE INTERNET] Re: Long taxi itinerary from IETF hotel to airport X-BeenThere: 100attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 100 attendees that have opted in on this list." <100attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2017 15:43:57 -0000 --089e082fee3800021d055f717889 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 2:21 PM Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Sat, 25 Nov 2017, Glenn McKnight wrote: > > > notorious as well. I booked a driver to the Stockholm docks to ferry to > > Helsinki last year to avoid the rip off artists. I also did a tour in > > Historically, Stockholm (and basically all of Sweden) has been a disgrace > when it comes to ripping off tourists. ... and I had just the opposite experience in Stockholm -- I took the train into the city, and found one of the very few taxi drivers who didn't speak English. I stated the name of the hotel clearly and slowly, and he started gesturing wildly and shaking his head. I said it a few more times and he kept shaking his head and replying in Swedish, I kept repeating, etc. Eventually I won, he tossed my stuff in the trunk, I got in... and we made a u-turn, he pointed and said "here!" -- hotel was just across the street :-) I tried to tip / pay for being annoying, he wouldn't accept... W It's been one of the most liberal > taxi markets on the planet, and some drivers took advantage of this but > setting outrageous fees. All legal. The GOP in US would have been proud, > it was complete market economy and if you weren't an informed consumer you > risked being ripped off. Total disgrace. > > Now, this has basically been curbed as of a few years ago. There is now a > max "comparable rate" before you basically need a written contract with a > fixed fee, before the travel even starts. This is 50% above "market rate" > for the largest taxi companies, but it at least has taken away most of the > complete rip-offs. > > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se > > _______________________________________________ > 100attendees mailing list > 100attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/100attendees > -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --089e082fee3800021d055f717889 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 = at 2:21 PM Mikael Abrahamsson <swmik= e@swm.pp.se> wrote:
On Sat, = 25 Nov 2017, Glenn McKnight wrote:

> notorious as well. I booked a driver to the Stockholm docks to ferry t= o
> Helsinki last year to avoid the rip off artists.=C2=A0 I also did a to= ur in

Historically, Stockholm (and basically all of Sweden) has been a disgrace when it comes to ripping off tourists.

<= /div>
... and I had just the opposite experience in Stockh= olm -- I took the train into the city, and found one of the very few taxi d= rivers who didn't speak English. I stated the name of the hotel clearly= and slowly, and he started gesturing wildly and shaking his head. I said i= t a few more times and he kept shaking his head and replying in Swedish, I = kept repeating, etc.=C2=A0
Eventually I won, he toss= ed my stuff in the trunk, I got in... and we made a u-turn, he pointed and = said "here!" -- hotel was just across the street :-) I tried to t= ip / pay for being annoying, he wouldn't accept...

W


It's been one of the= most liberal
taxi markets on the planet, and some drivers took advantage of this but
setting outrageous fees. All legal. The GOP in US would have been proud, it was complete market economy and if you weren't an informed consumer = you
risked being ripped off. Total disgrace.

Now, this has basically been curbed as of a few years ago. There is now a max "comparable rate" before you basically need a written contrac= t with a
fixed fee, before the travel even starts. This is 50% above "market ra= te"
for the largest taxi companies, but it at least has taken away most of the<= br> complete rip-offs.

--
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This= is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret a= t having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0---maf
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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It might be worth one of the IETF meeting team members letting the Fairmont k= now so that it can inform its customers of the expected fair.=20 Phil > On Dec 3, 2017, at 5:44 AM, Alexandre PETRESCU = wrote: >=20 > Last Thursday the same officer wrote another email asking same questions, a= s if s/he did not see my previous answers. >=20 > I gave same answers, except this time I said I am not opposing writing a s= igned statement about the facts as I know them. >=20 > (I did not ask to fly me back First Class, because it would still be much t= ime to spend). >=20 > Let's see. >=20 > -- > Alexandre Petrescu > alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223 >=20 >> Le 25/11/2017 =C3=A0 18:05, Mikael Abrahamsson a =C3=A9crit : >> On Sat, 25 Nov 2017, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote:=20 >>=20 >>> ('testify in court'... for such simple matters...)=20 >>=20 >> I appreciate that they take these matters seriously. This is one thing I l= ike about Singapore.=20 >>=20 >> You could at least offer to write a signed statement about the facts as y= ou know them.=20 >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 100attendees mailing list > 100attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/100attendees --Apple-Mail-E121A1E7-B7DD-433F-B075-7454768C423B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It might be worth one of the IETF meet= ing team members letting the Fairmont know so that it can inform its custome= rs of the expected fair. 

Phil

On Dec 3, 2017, at 5= :44 AM, Alexandre PETRESCU <= alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr> wrote:

=20 =20 =20

Last Thursday the same officer wrote another email asking same questions, as if s/he did not see my previous answers.

I gave same answers, except this time I said I am not opposing writing a signed statement about the facts as I know them.

(I did not ask to fly me= back First Class, because it would still be much time to spend).

Let's see.

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Le 25/11/2017 =C3=A0 18:05, Mikael Abrahamsson a =C3=A9crit :
On Sat, 25 Nov 2017, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote:

('testify in court'... for such simple matters...)

I appreciate that they take these matters seriously. This is one thing I like about Singapore.

You could at least offer to write a signed statement about the facts as you know them.


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I booked a driver to the Stockholm docks to ferry to= >> > Helsinki last year to avoid the rip off artists. I also did a tour in >>=20 >> Historically, Stockholm (and basically all of Sweden) has been a disgrace= >> when it comes to ripping off tourists. >=20 > ... and I had just the opposite experience in Stockholm -- I took the trai= n into the city, and found one of the very few taxi drivers who didn't speak= English. I stated the name of the hotel clearly and slowly, and he started g= esturing wildly and shaking his head. I said it a few more times and he kept= shaking his head and replying in Swedish, I kept repeating, etc.=20 > Eventually I won, he tossed my stuff in the trunk, I got in... and we made= a u-turn, he pointed and said "here!" -- hotel was just across the street := -) I tried to tip / pay for being annoying, he wouldn't accept... >=20 > W >=20 >=20 >> It's been one of the most liberal >> taxi markets on the planet, and some drivers took advantage of this but >> setting outrageous fees. All legal. The GOP in US would have been proud, >> it was complete market economy and if you weren't an informed consumer yo= u >> risked being ripped off. Total disgrace. >>=20 >> Now, this has basically been curbed as of a few years ago. There is now a= >> max "comparable rate" before you basically need a written contract with a= >> fixed fee, before the travel even starts. This is 50% above "market rate"= >> for the largest taxi companies, but it at least has taken away most of th= e >> complete rip-offs. >>=20 >> -- >> Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> 100attendees mailing list >> 100attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/100attendees >=20 > --=20 > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea i= n the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing reg= ret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. > ---maf > _______________________________________________ > 100attendees mailing list > 100attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/100attendees --Apple-Mail-9E2CCF05-D134-4DE8-8AF4-FF2881728F16 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah the Terminus :-)

Skickat fr=C3=A5n min iPhone

3 dec. 2017 kl. 15= :43 skrev Warren Kumari <warren@kuma= ri.net>:


On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 2:21 PM Mikael= Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>= ; wrote:
On Sat, 25 Nov 2017, Glenn M= cKnight wrote:

> notorious as well. I booked a driver to the Stockholm docks to ferry to=
> Helsinki last year to avoid the rip off artists.  I also did a tou= r in

Historically, Stockholm (and basically all of Sweden) has been a disgrace when it comes to ripping off tourists.

... and I had just the opposite experience in Stockhol= m -- I took the train into the city, and found one of the very few taxi driv= ers who didn't speak English. I stated the name of the hotel clearly and slo= wly, and he started gesturing wildly and shaking his head. I said it a few m= ore times and he kept shaking his head and replying in Swedish, I kept repea= ting, etc. 
Eventually I won, he tossed my stuff= in the trunk, I got in... and we made a u-turn, he pointed and said "here!"= -- hotel was just across the street :-) I tried to tip / pay for being anno= ying, he wouldn't accept...

W


It's been one of the most liberal
taxi markets on the planet, and some drivers took advantage of this but
setting outrageous fees. All legal. The GOP in US would have been proud,
= it was complete market economy and if you weren't an informed consumer you risked being ripped off. Total disgrace.

Now, this has basically been curbed as of a few years ago. There is now a max "comparable rate" before you basically need a written contract with a fixed fee, before the travel even starts. This is 50% above "market rate" for the largest taxi companies, but it at least has taken away most of the complete rip-offs.

--
Mikael Abrahamsson    email: swmike@swm.pp.se

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I don't think the execution is r= elevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like= putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having c= hosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
   = ;---maf
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On Dec 3, 2017 12:19, "Leif Johansson" wrote: > Ah the Terminus :-) > > Skickat fr=C3=A5n min iPhone > > 3 dec. 2017 kl. 15:43 skrev Warren Kumari : > > > On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 2:21 PM Mikael Abrahamsson > wrote: > >> On Sat, 25 Nov 2017, Glenn McKnight wrote: >> >> > notorious as well. I booked a driver to the Stockholm docks to ferry t= o >> > Helsinki last year to avoid the rip off artists. I also did a tour in >> >> Historically, Stockholm (and basically all of Sweden) has been a disgrac= e >> when it comes to ripping off tourists. > > > ... and I had just the opposite experience in Stockholm -- I took the > train into the city, and found one of the very few taxi drivers who didn'= t > speak English. I stated the name of the hotel clearly and slowly, and he > started gesturing wildly and shaking his head. I said it a few more times > and he kept shaking his head and replying in Swedish, I kept repeating, > etc. > Eventually I won, he tossed my stuff in the trunk, I got in... and we mad= e > a u-turn, he pointed and said "here!" -- hotel was just across the street > :-) I tried to tip / pay for being annoying, he wouldn't accept... > > W > > > It's been one of the most liberal >> taxi markets on the planet, and some drivers took advantage of this but >> setting outrageous fees. All legal. The GOP in US would have been proud, >> it was complete market economy and if you weren't an informed consumer y= ou >> risked being ripped off. Total disgrace. >> >> Now, this has basically been curbed as of a few years ago. There is now = a >> max "comparable rate" before you basically need a written contract with = a >> fixed fee, before the travel even starts. This is 50% above "market rate= " >> for the largest taxi companies, but it at least has taken away most of t= he >> complete rip-offs. >> >> -- >> Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 100attendees mailing list >> 100attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/100attendees >> > -- > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea > in the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of > pants. > ---maf > > _______________________________________________ > 100attendees mailing list > 100attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/100attendees > > > _______________________________________________ > 100attendees mailing list > 100attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/100attendees > > --001a113fb6b095e99c055f766116 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Or the Nordic Lights.
On Dec 3, 2017 12:19, "Leif Johansson"= ; <leifj@sunet.se> wrote:
Ah the = Terminus :-)

Ski= ckat fr=C3=A5n min iPhone

3 dec. 2017 kl. 15:43 skrev Warren = Kumari <warren@ku= mari.net>:


On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 2:21 PM Mi= kael Abrahamsson <= swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:
On = Sat, 25 Nov 2017, Glenn McKnight wrote:

> notorious as well. I booked a driver to the Stockholm docks to ferry t= o
> Helsinki last year to avoid the rip off artists.=C2=A0 I also did a to= ur in

Historically, Stockholm (and basically all of Sweden) has been a disgrace when it comes to ripping off tourists.

<= /div>
... and I had just the opposite experience in Stockh= olm -- I took the train into the city, and found one of the very few taxi d= rivers who didn't speak English. I stated the name of the hotel clearly= and slowly, and he started gesturing wildly and shaking his head. I said i= t a few more times and he kept shaking his head and replying in Swedish, I = kept repeating, etc.=C2=A0
Eventually I won, he toss= ed my stuff in the trunk, I got in... and we made a u-turn, he pointed and = said "here!" -- hotel was just across the street :-) I tried to t= ip / pay for being annoying, he wouldn't accept...

W


It's been one of the= most liberal
taxi markets on the planet, and some drivers took advantage of this but
setting outrageous fees. All legal. The GOP in US would have been proud, it was complete market economy and if you weren't an informed consumer = you
risked being ripped off. Total disgrace.

Now, this has basically been curbed as of a few years ago. There is now a max "comparable rate" before you basically need a written contrac= t with a
fixed fee, before the travel even starts. This is 50% above "market ra= te"
for the largest taxi companies, but it at least has taken away most of the<= br> complete rip-offs.

--
Mikael Abrahamsson=C2=A0 =C2=A0 email: swmike@swm.pp.se

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This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and late= r expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and tha= t pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0---maf
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--001a113fb6b095e99c055f766116-- From nobody Tue Dec 5 02:06:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 100attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 100attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFFB127876 for <100attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 02:06:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nexG4cnxxTtQ for <100attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 02:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from oxalide-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr (oxalide-smtp-out.extra.cea.fr [132.168.224.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7CC5124205 for <100attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 02:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by oxalide-sys.extra.cea.fr (8.14.7/8.14.7/CEAnet-Internet-out-4.0) with ESMTP id vB5A5urX058639 for <100attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:05:56 +0100 Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 983122059C3 for <100attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:05:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A472201C33 for <100attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:05:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.34.184] (is227335.intra.cea.fr [10.8.34.184]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.15.2/8.15.2/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.4) with ESMTP id vB5A5uNA031792 for <100attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:05:56 +0100 To: 100attendees@ietf.org References: <6449c459-68e5-4fa2-911b-db3cb3d96b80@cea.fr> <7F2A899D-40C3-47CD-A805-5AFF943ABE42@cisco.com> <34351_1511016093_5A10469C_34351_14465_1_d9b4cc17-c882-3f91-9743-0520838871f9@cea.fr> <49171_1511250201_5A13D919_49171_12611_4_4dc8165d-7c2a-4f17-e551-df5cfa711624@cea.fr> <2a7e1dba-9a23-f7bb-532a-07d6ce86a27d@cea.fr> <41893_1512308702_5A23FFDD_41893_19001_1_608b66f0-8bc9-3f43-2d2b-cc79bba7a463@cea.fr> From: Alexandre PETRESCU Organization: CEA Message-ID: <53699b1c-2ca2-67ef-b1c5-c73a0afd81db@cea.fr> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 11:05:56 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <41893_1512308702_5A23FFDD_41893_19001_1_608b66f0-8bc9-3f43-2d2b-cc79bba7a463@cea.fr> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms070903020801050101010603" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [100attendees] Long taxi itinerary from IETF hotel to airport X-BeenThere: 100attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 100 attendees that have opted in on this list." <100attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 10:06:03 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070903020801050101010603 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5FDB79D0EE9C81873138AD10" Content-Language: fr This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5FDB79D0EE9C81873138AD10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We further exchanged a couple email with LTA in recent days (the=20 organisation in charge of Transportation in Singapore). They confirmed I am situated overseas, and I also answered I prefer LTA=20 (rather than the taxi company) to deal with the issue. Let us see. -- Alexandre Petrescu alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223 Le 03/12/2017 =C3=A0 14:44, Alexandre PETRESCU a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > > Last Thursday the same officer wrote another email asking same=20 > questions, as if s/he did not see my previous answers. > > I gave same answers, except this time I said I am not opposing writing = > a signed statement about the facts as I know them. > > (I did not ask to fly me back First Class, because it would still be=20 > much time to spend). > > Let's see. > > -- > Alexandre Petrescu > alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223 > > Le 25/11/2017 =C3=A0 18:05, Mikael Abrahamsson a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: >> On Sat, 25 Nov 2017, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote: >> >>> ('testify in court'... for such simple matters...) >> >> I appreciate that they take these matters seriously. This is one=20 >> thing I like about Singapore. >> >> You could at least offer to write a signed statement about the facts=20 >> as you know them. >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > 100attendees mailing list > 100attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/100attendees --------------5FDB79D0EE9C81873138AD10 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We further exchanged = a couple email with LTA in recent days (the organisation in charge of Transportation in Singapore).

They confirmed I am situated overseas, and I also answered I prefer LTA (rather than the taxi company) to deal with the issue.

Let us see.

--
Alexandre Petrescu
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223
Le 03/12/2017 =C3=A0 14:44, Alexandre PETRESCU a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

Last Thursday the s= ame officer wrote another email asking same questions, as if s/he did not see my previous answers.

I gave same answers= , except this time I said I am not opposing writing a signed statement about the facts as I know them.

(I did not ask to f= ly me back First Class, because it would still be much time to spend).

Let's see.

--
Alexandre Petrescu
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0=
169089223
Le 25/11/2017 =C3=A0 18:05, Mikael Abrahamsson a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
On Sat, 25 Nov 2017, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote:

('testify in court'... for such simple matters...)

I appreciate that they take these matters seriously. This is one thing I like about Singapore.

You could at least offer to write a signed statement about the facts as you know them. 




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<41893_1512308702_5A23FFDD_41893_19001_1_608b66f0-8bc9-3f43-2d2b-cc79bba7a463@cea.fr> <43545_1512468375_5A266F97_43545_3189_3_53699b1c-2ca2-67ef-b1c5-c73a0afd81db@cea.fr> From: Alexandre PETRESCU Organization: CEA Message-ID: <00de851e-e8c5-ee37-cf32-c4b340ae8aac@cea.fr> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 12:16:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <43545_1512468375_5A266F97_43545_3189_3_53699b1c-2ca2-67ef-b1c5-c73a0afd81db@cea.fr> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms090301030402090205080408" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [100attendees] Long taxi itinerary from IETF hotel to airport X-BeenThere: 100attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 100 attendees that have opted in on this list." <100attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 11:16:32 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090301030402090205080408 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6BB90B83DAF0F19F76B65F66" Content-Language: fr This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6BB90B83DAF0F19F76B65F66 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 12 December they (LTA) were saying that they were still looking into=20 the matter; they said they'd update me when they have news.=C2=A0 I have = no=20 news since. I think I will stop tracking this. Yours, -- Alexandre Petrescu alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223 Le 05/12/2017 =C3=A0 11:05, Alexandre PETRESCU a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: > > We further exchanged a couple email with LTA in recent days (the=20 > organisation in charge of Transportation in Singapore). > > They confirmed I am situated overseas, and I also answered I prefer=20 > LTA (rather than the taxi company) to deal with the issue. > > Let us see. > > -- > Alexandre Petrescu > alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223 > > Le 03/12/2017 =C3=A0 14:44, Alexandre PETRESCU a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: >> >> Last Thursday the same officer wrote another email asking same=20 >> questions, as if s/he did not see my previous answers. >> >> I gave same answers, except this time I said I am not opposing=20 >> writing a signed statement about the facts as I know them. >> >> (I did not ask to fly me back First Class, because it would still be=20 >> much time to spend). >> >> Let's see. >> >> -- >> Alexandre Petrescu >> alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223 >> >> Le 25/11/2017 =C3=A0 18:05, Mikael Abrahamsson a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0: >>> On Sat, 25 Nov 2017, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote: >>> >>>> ('testify in court'... for such simple matters...) >>> >>> I appreciate that they take these matters seriously. This is one=20 >>> thing I like about Singapore. >>> >>> You could at least offer to write a signed statement about the facts = >>> as you know them. >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> 100attendees mailing list >> 100attendees@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/100attendees > > > > _______________________________________________ > 100attendees mailing list > 100attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/100attendees --------------6BB90B83DAF0F19F76B65F66 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On 12 December they (LTA) were saying that they were still looking into the matter;= they said they'd update me when they have news.=C2=A0 I have no= news since.=C2=A0

I think I will stop tracking this.

Yours,<= br> 

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Alexandre Petrescu
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0169089223
Le 05/12/2017 =C3=A0 11:05, Alexandre PETRESCU a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

We further exchange= d a couple email with LTA in recent days (the organisation in charge of Transportation in Singapore).

They confirmed I am= situated overseas, and I also answered I prefer LTA (rather than the taxi company) to deal with the issue.<= /p>

Let us see.<= /font>

--
Alexandre Petrescu
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0=
169089223
Le 03/12/2017 =C3=A0 14:44, Alexandr= e PETRESCU a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

Last Thursday the= same officer wrote another email asking same questions, as if s/he did not see my previous answers.

I gave same answe= rs, except this time I said I am not opposing writing a signed statement about the facts as I know them.

(I did not ask to= fly me back First Class, because it would still be much time to spend).

Let's see.

--
Alexandre Petrescu
alexandre.petrescu@cea.fr, t=C3=A9l 0=
169089223
Le 25/11/2017 =C3=A0 18:05, Mikael= Abrahamsson a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
On Sat, 25 Nov 2017, Alexandre PETRESCU wrote:

('testify in court'... for such simpl= e matters...)

I appreciate that they take these matters seriously. This is one thing I like about Singapore.

You could at least offer to write a signed statement about the facts as you know them. 




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