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Mon, 9 Jan 2017 06:58:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F30B9129D36 for <6tisch-security@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 06:58:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8389E1F3 for <6tisch-security@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 10:17:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32601636BB for <6tisch-security@ietf.org>; Mon, 9 Jan 2017 09:58:09 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: 6tisch-security@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [6tisch-security] design team meeting schedule X-BeenThere: 6tisch-security@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Extended Design Team for 6TiSCH security architecture <6tisch-security.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 14:58:11 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain We will meet as follows: 2017-01-17 2017-01-31 2017-02-14 2017-02-28 2017-03-14 Tuesdays. 9:00 am Eastern Standard Time (GMT-05:00) Recurrence: Every 2 weeks on Tuesday, from Tuesday, November 29, 2016, to Tuesday, March 21, 2017 Meeting number: 641 335 839 Meeting password: pledge Meeting link: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=me98f12cebda5e6b55c1b8c66c095d0a9 The work needs to focus on: 0) clarifying questions about the two documents 1) joining the two documents, eliminating overlap 2) describing the proxy functionality fully 3) discovery of the proxy 4) rekeying and long-term maintenance of the security 5) revisions to the ra-in-ie concept. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Mon, 16 Jan 2017 15:39:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0629412989F for <6tisch-security@ietf.org>; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 15:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B830D203CA for <6tisch-security@ietf.org>; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5D76381A for <6tisch-security@ietf.org>; Mon, 16 Jan 2017 18:39:07 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: 6tisch-security@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [6tisch-security] reminder: design team meeting 1400UTC X-BeenThere: 6tisch-security@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Extended Design Team for 6TiSCH security architecture <6tisch-security.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 23:39:11 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Agenda: - plan for coordinating documents. - please review both! meeting occuring every two weeks. UPDATE: added link http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/6tischSecurity?useMonospaceFont=true Tuesday, November 29, 2016 9:00 am Eastern Standard Time (GMT-05:00) Recurrence: Every 2 weeks on Tuesday, from Tuesday, November 29, 2016, to Tuesday, March 21, 2017 Meeting number: 641 335 839 Meeting password: pledge Meeting link: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=me98f12cebda5e6b55c1b8c66c095d0a9 -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAlh9WZoACgkQgItw+93Q 3WUqxwgAouvMXh2DQQFidp4T0x6/On4YIxLHQGRh8INrqSdj2g8ak0A6SzcJCDZg 4vVeIBdHlZTUT95ereZYQd49bR4a1/bwW4pVShQjF9sQqnNmNF7HVZvsCzcyRGSy gHeXqtO+7Bq8haATzElGJflTRAn2vLchIBe10HASK7IsnZmYh4Diuf2Yf7sOk7cW jlkyuP7XqRCCnkloHG7/Ug91qiwpi8XcrsxuWCQKAGij9XDl81W9eeLNPhkg3xgb VmnIE/sydX3JdVLzwSOuEO8uuuTyN24b+yEP7K16GqogcSYa+JUNiPG4kVIYFE66 PJN+Uunz/B8WH89l2PULTyaOv3vzvQ== =0/6e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Fri Jan 20 07:26:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch-security@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch-security@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9787129961; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 07:26:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OvcE20dWtJn1; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 07:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B5EF129BDC; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 07:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11DCE1E4; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03837636BB; Fri, 20 Jan 2017 10:26:08 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: anima@ietf.org, 6tisch@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Cc: anima-bootstrap , netconf@ietf.org, 6tisch-security@ietf.org Subject: [6tisch-security] converging on some common terminology X-BeenThere: 6tisch-security@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: anima@ietf.org, 6tisch@ietf.org List-Id: Extended Design Team for 6TiSCH security architecture <6tisch-security.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 15:26:11 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain At the 6tisch-security design team call and then on the anima bootstrap call on Tuesday, we discussed merging of terminology as an important step to getting all the bootstrap ideas together. These are the terms which we have concluded on: 1) PLEDGE. replaces Joining Node and "New Node" 2) JOIN PROXY. replaces Join Assistant and bare "Proxy" 3) JOIN REGISTRAR (and Coordinator). Replaces bare "Registrar", and JCE. The "Coordinator" part is considered a seperate, co-located, but optional role. 4) MASA. remains the same. 5) vendor provided interface that MASA uses to talk to remains unnamed. Here are the proposals therefore: ANIMA, dtbootstrap document. was already using PLEDGE. (KEEP IT) PROXY -> JOIN PROXY. REGISTRAR -> officially, "Join Registrar", maybe be shortened in the text to "Registrar" where this is unambiguous. 6tisch-dtsecurity ("Phase one") and 6tisch-minimal security ("One-Touch/Phase two"): Was using Joining Node --> Pledge. Was using Join Assistant --> Join Proxy Was using Joint Coordination Entity (JCE) -> Join Registrar and Coordinator. Adds term MASA. Additional terms which we need to import: 1) "drop ship" 2) "imprint", 3) "enrollment", 4) "audit token", "ownership token" <- from draft-ietf-anima-voucher. There also some discussion about the terminology used by 802.15.10: "mesh root" <- has a coordinator role and a registrar role as I understand it. We asked if: Registrar and Coordinator always co-located? We thought so, but there could be exceptions, and it might be out of scope. ACTION ITEMS ============ 1) ANIMA documents to update terms, and be authoritative for terms. 2) 6tisch documents to update terms, pointing at ANIMA and 6tisch terminology. 3) 6tisch terminology document to include the terms as being imported from ANIMA. 4) netconf: probably just adjust terminology to point at when they terms are the same as ANIMA, or when they are different. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAliCLA8ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WXILggAikWHJ5gI/lcU8OmBhhUolxtusxq/watPkHC4XwQb5rT54dXtQigsGH72 1F+4JMRS9VxunGSqnQPeA+fL9XUubzxvaAmErDe9epnqWTJzol0hM244ceymNkm3 oU40o+ZDRmiIJr4uW7qEjvBKE3Cy6YdGIL34Ybgtt9Gt7I3GYoCv/MFHv9X/yEr2 UhzwPhOqudjSKdx6jokGo7VdlFHqfMZD4T1WUxBL69NW0XvtQzI0BOvNocHHIxg5 Sa9jN6CUsgFTO0Z8BW9a2qO6bcHlnQUS+ikRmF7T4ap0k+Csq4z7ENNii0s2Qcd/ BgH3o369Q8W8UJh+bm30koYMiYTRGQ== =xsrY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Fri Jan 20 09:15:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch-security@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch-security@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE13129490; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: anima-bootstrap , "netconf@ietf.org" , "6tisch-security@ietf.org" <6tisch-security@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [6tisch-security] [6tisch] converging on some common terminology X-BeenThere: 6tisch-security@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Extended Design Team for 6TiSCH security architecture <6tisch-security.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:15:45 -0000 Thanks a lot Michael! I do support this convergence which will help people working at the interse= ction of IOT and ANIMA, which hopefully is quite extensive. Take care, Pascal -----Original Message----- From: 6tisch [mailto:6tisch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Michael Richards= on Sent: vendredi 20 janvier 2017 16:26 To: anima@ietf.org; 6tisch@ietf.org Cc: anima-bootstrap ; netconf@ietf.org; 6tisch-se= curity@ietf.org Subject: [6tisch] converging on some common terminology At the 6tisch-security design team call and then on the anima bootstrap cal= l on Tuesday, we discussed merging of terminology as an important step to g= etting all the bootstrap ideas together. These are the terms which we have concluded on: 1) PLEDGE. replaces Joining Node and "New Node" 2) JOIN PROXY. replaces Join Assistant and bare "Proxy" 3) JOIN REGISTRAR (and Coordinator). Replaces bare "Registrar", and JCE. The "Coordinator" part is considered a seperate, co-located, but optional role. 4) MASA. remains the same. 5) vendor provided interface that MASA uses to talk to remains unnamed. Here are the proposals therefore: ANIMA, dtbootstrap document. was already using PLEDGE. (KEEP IT) PROXY -> JOIN PROXY. REGISTRAR -> officially, "Join Registrar", maybe be shortened in the text to "Registrar" where this is unambiguous. 6tisch-dtsecurity ("Phase one") and 6tisch-minimal security ("One-Touch/Pha= se two"): Was using Joining Node --> Pledge. Was using Join Assistant --> Join Proxy Was using Joint Coordination Entit= y (JCE) -> Join Registrar and Coordinator. Adds term MASA. Additional terms which we need to import: 1) "drop ship" 2) "imprint", 3) "enrollment", 4) "audit token", "ownership token" <- from draft-ietf-anima-voucher. There also some discussion about the terminology used by 802.15.10: "mesh root" <- has a coordinator role and a registrar role as I understand it. We asked if: Registrar and Coordinator always co-located? We thought so, but there could be exceptions, and it might be out of scope. ACTION ITEMS =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 1) ANIMA documents to update terms, and be authoritative for terms. 2) 6tisch documents to update terms, pointing at ANIMA and 6tisch terminolo= gy. 3) 6tisch terminology document to include the terms as being imported from = ANIMA. 4) netconf: probably just adjust terminology to point at when they terms ar= e the same as ANIMA, or when they are different. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D = IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- From nobody Sat Jan 21 13:43:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch-security@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch-security@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B671293F5; Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:42:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M5ljedaoFkmD; Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:42:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg0-x241.google.com (mail-pg0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c05::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01F631293FD; Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg0-x241.google.com with SMTP id t6so9963284pgt.1; Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:42:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:organization:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2zlio+A7Zjk4w3eOZxGIXHfVQXEPNl/g/dvDott7uKQ=; b=dH1v8N7+UqeV8hlTrvGvohhgq3rvUKiM6o+LyXbZ6n9zoI5SKOiYLMQRlR6mBkqiNo fXDDtiyctE3KMOZ1/tllhHd5arRHWPHcoR64IZe3LRom/DWZ9mfjM4/eUK1hg2pkylhe shjaMENjImTc3+aQH6B9k5CBVxodHB9ZUz+LKS688OaxRYVylzrsPOtkobeNB2Q1RiZ6 UcuMQel4gyypvl0Bm9QLCrGWwfDmHWZT9aRZyydyHDXqhr0GNpIp8M2gn7ceon+IIUVM NbiHjmWjN+l2AJWoKDcc4T9CJZGnEHw1tp4hN2WhNZzsCTrH7hLVn51httqZZAWJf49u FvMA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:cc:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2zlio+A7Zjk4w3eOZxGIXHfVQXEPNl/g/dvDott7uKQ=; b=We5U8XyIPD0gmJ54ZBpxbVkTwSaBDmQi9TLy64ohPaJjfCjvDDua076htzSTiYN1AL e/VGS9ws7HkxdDVYN5pyD96Q5ZTy7iXZNZbUW6SkECpAGOw69+13J5I3fKloZaqRakhR +BtYO/+EItN9J+EidqkdUO6ff51r9xgxWXHX7NLPIA4jK9H/PTYT7dQDrHrDppzoYolu 2EFftipqfHfMqrZP3AGg7ujaLsb5NZQEDKBfUrrJehcGMODplfHuYZdGYCpETKxevFC4 UNy2GyG/X/2BsK+4ziAbKKlu/1VILhxmPdVcQghXZbjTyu7mWI/Irz0/LtvOgLjRV43d DuBw== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXK4jH43ggHAbD8IHrLkYTjtNlewQIF2SPRa/3WDe+n75++s5MK4KHrGaz8lCCPI8A== X-Received: by 10.84.215.149 with SMTP id l21mr16336372pli.16.1485034969394; Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:42:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.178.21] (84.25.255.123.static.snap.net.nz. [123.255.25.84]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o126sm26102154pga.34.2017.01.21.13.42.45 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 21 Jan 2017 13:42:48 -0800 (PST) To: anima@ietf.org, 6tisch@ietf.org References: <2978.1484925967@obiwan.sandelman.ca> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: <676ffd6f-7e9a-5879-a08e-41b1c3b72ad9@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 10:42:42 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2978.1484925967@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: anima-bootstrap , netconf@ietf.org, 6tisch-security@ietf.org Subject: Re: [6tisch-security] [Anima-bootstrap] converging on some common terminology X-BeenThere: 6tisch-security@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Extended Design Team for 6TiSCH security architecture <6tisch-security.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 21:42:51 -0000 So, we should adopt this terminology for the GRASP objectives, I guess. We also need to make them correspond to the latest thinking in other ways too. Any more comments on draft-carpenter-anima-ani-objectives before we update it? Regards Brian On 21/01/2017 04:26, Michael Richardson wrote: > > At the 6tisch-security design team call and then on the anima bootstrap call > on Tuesday, we discussed merging of terminology as an important step to > getting all the bootstrap ideas together. > > These are the terms which we have concluded on: > > 1) PLEDGE. replaces Joining Node and "New Node" > 2) JOIN PROXY. replaces Join Assistant and bare "Proxy" > 3) JOIN REGISTRAR (and Coordinator). Replaces bare "Registrar", and JCE. > The "Coordinator" part is considered a seperate, > co-located, but optional role. > > 4) MASA. remains the same. > 5) vendor provided interface that MASA uses to talk to remains unnamed. > > Here are the proposals therefore: > > ANIMA, dtbootstrap document. > was already using PLEDGE. (KEEP IT) > PROXY -> JOIN PROXY. > REGISTRAR -> officially, "Join Registrar", maybe be shortened > in the text to "Registrar" where this is unambiguous. > > 6tisch-dtsecurity ("Phase one") and 6tisch-minimal security ("One-Touch/Phase two"): > > Was using Joining Node --> Pledge. > Was using Join Assistant --> Join Proxy > Was using Joint Coordination Entity (JCE) -> Join Registrar and Coordinator. > Adds term MASA. > > Additional terms which we need to import: > > 1) "drop ship" > 2) "imprint", > 3) "enrollment", > 4) "audit token", "ownership token" <- from draft-ietf-anima-voucher. > > There also some discussion about the terminology used by 802.15.10: > "mesh root" <- has a coordinator role and a registrar role as I > understand it. > > We asked if: Registrar and Coordinator always co-located? > We thought so, but there could be exceptions, and it might be out of scope. > > > ACTION ITEMS > ============ > 1) ANIMA documents to update terms, and be authoritative for terms. > 2) 6tisch documents to update terms, pointing at ANIMA and 6tisch terminology. > 3) 6tisch terminology document to include the terms as being imported from ANIMA. > 4) netconf: probably just adjust terminology to point at when they terms are > the same as ANIMA, or when they are different. > > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Anima-bootstrap mailing list > Anima-bootstrap@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/anima-bootstrap > From nobody Tue Jan 31 06:04:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 6tisch-security@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 6tisch-security@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31741129F34 for <6tisch-security@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 06:04:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-3.199, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vS48sCiCArd7 for <6tisch-security@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 06:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 65196129F32 for <6tisch-security@ietf.org>; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 06:04:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA83D20183 for <6tisch-security@ietf.org>; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:25:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from obiwan.sandelman.ca (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264836381A for <6tisch-security@ietf.org>; Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:04:27 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: 6tisch-security@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 09:04:27 -0500 Message-ID: <11008.1485871467@obiwan.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: [6tisch-security] could not start meeting... fixed X-BeenThere: 6tisch-security@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Extended Design Team for 6TiSCH security architecture <6tisch-security.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 14:04:30 -0000 I had some difficulty getting the meeting started. 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