From nobody Sat Apr 1 12:45:49 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 98attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 98attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C1481292D3 for <98attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K7RE9E2iMCGD for <98attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (aetius.bortzmeyer.org [217.70.190.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 674F0128D19 for <98attendees@ietf.org>; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 12:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id C2BA631C7E; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 21:45:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: by godin (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 12594EC0E09; Sat, 1 Apr 2017 21:45:32 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2017 14:45:32 -0500 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: "Vinicius Fortuna [vee-NEE-see.oos]" Cc: Stephen Farrell , Bron Gondwana , 98attendees@ietf.org Message-ID: <20170401194532.GA3337@laperouse.bortzmeyer.org> References: <1490942587.113767.929512208.3648B1DF@webmail.messagingengine.com> <2440f643-2a9a-f205-37be-398aa650eb58@cs.tcd.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Ubuntu 16.04 (xenial) X-Charlie: Je suis Charlie User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [98attendees] Tussle issue in plenary X-BeenThere: 98attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Mailing list of IETF 98 attendees that have opted in on this list." <98attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2017 19:45:48 -0000 On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 04:37:59PM +0000, Vinicius Fortuna [vee-NEE-see.oos] wrote a message of 138 lines which said: > If two parties want and explicit opt to add a third party to their > communication, the network should allow them to do it. I don't see how the network could *prevent* it, so this argument seems a strawman. If you want to send a copy of your emails to the NSA, or a copy of the HTTPS traffic in clear to a middlebox, open a TCP connection to this 3rd-party and send() > Whether previous proposals were bad, that's not a reason to give > up. There are so many brilliant people at IETF that I'm sure a good > solution can be achieved. I don't want to destroy optimism, or to pretend that the IETF participants are not extra-bright, but I seriously doubt our collective abilities to *weaken* a complicated and brittle protocol like TLS without breaking it in one way or the other. Look at all the security problems with TLS for a proof. > that cannot happen if the attitude is to dismiss attempts without > even talking. Well, it's like IPv10. We cannot reopen every day questions that have been closed and well closed by previous attempts. 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Or maybe because of it in some ways. Here are just a few photos of the city https://flic.kr/s/aHskU7yXaD that I'll share unsolicited with this list as I'm wont to do. --f403045c3bfc6e08e2054c2112b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A beautiful city despite the weather. Or maybe becaus= e of it in some ways.

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Regards,
Daniel

On 1 Apr 2017, 15:50 -0500, Brian Campbell <bcampbell=40pingidentity.c= om>, wrote:
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Here are just a few photos of the city https://flic.kr/s/aHskU7yXaD that I'll share unsolicited w= ith this list as I'm wont to do.

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There were several very amusing presentations. Watch at http://snaggletooth.akam.ai/Chicago-videos/. 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Always love the great fun to be had at the PechaKucha. Nalini Elkins CEO and Founder Inside Products, Inc. www.insidethestack.com (831) 659-8360 -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 4/7/17, Aaron Falk wrote: Subject: Re: Bad Attitude PechaKucha in Chicago To: ietf@ietf.org, 98attendees@ietf.org Date: Friday, April 7, 2017, 12:18 PM =20 Thanks to all who attended and participated in the Chicago Bad Attitude=20 PechaKucha.=C2=A0 There were several very amusing presentations.=C2=A0 Watch at=20 http://snaggletooth.akam.ai/Chicago-videos/. Again, special thanks to=20 Tero Kivinen who recorded and edited the session video. =20 =E2=80=94aaron =20 =20