From nobody Tue Aug 1 08:13:55 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 99attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 99attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7902132195; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 08:13:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.025 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.025 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_GREY=0.424] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rNZohXjRSMIF; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 08:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x230.google.com (mail-it0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 105921321A1; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 08:13:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x230.google.com with SMTP id v127so20228151itd.0; Tue, 01 Aug 2017 08:13:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QwpdaEPGeQAz0+sAc/PWfMJUWESHYsH1w7+spfiUy2Q=; b=qa/ZXcSdfyugCmuXF6sHlti83ytmb1BQd14IvGAwG/f8iUIcXsFJafwf2tW1JTEbeM r+ec6ZCBvnBuvoz3KxqMKQo+uj2llFiRq7wLa9/JaB5S/xwG+lihahaEdg+nJPxrIPdr G4WU2y+8bzA8Rrn1kmmGTngt4C4aCTFeQ5Sb3Skz3J3ZBV6akcKZn/lRxvk7tmy4tiOa 4R+X+Fds1OPRu7HQ8NwQOdvXM0LBKCv+QDSsO2pNMGlhhUA7O1UDxK1Luq8YGh3GC3HL 4rUyuJRQxNETiKwxd+IGxoT5g4qr5+s0/vnVsWKsxo6k8qqRfRFoztqvFFSLoa51Viyh ClYg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QwpdaEPGeQAz0+sAc/PWfMJUWESHYsH1w7+spfiUy2Q=; b=gRP4w8kgqPKAnX9NZBcFVecwGU0dJcCWZDnlpTpkCWchbVyQT3d3HD8Xb7DrZslG9R BCrBKnJdMy/cbd5tYTnBYDKtc9HtOW5ECxWfaO0283JHEROzZR9cg0pAJEF8TRsCjcl7 dt7ACX3WJX3bToVACBfoeJtwakm1je+zjyuRcTwXvVw3Yv8/CPLJzLdlK8i/PBI/fruw INPTRZNnfi9CsIHD6aon/vz2z/wpErYE8BH5rWP+qKWaMuVmbeisfA/moUtI78TpUB6F kd6GV5gSxOIK9+vUPFwu4Myl1d6QsXOQP4Uezs074WFfpitg2E80IPoMgquyyNrKCtmT hN8Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw112j0oiWKL+0ePVyE/tmZeB9pE/0tSGTrgvaeNFmGTrDThVSgnuK SrVE6ua8n8ddzBaG3C0u3SPR0o278TXJmDw= X-Received: by 10.36.254.6 with SMTP id w6mr2073952ith.158.1501600431332; Tue, 01 Aug 2017 08:13:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.84.2 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 08:13:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <150152139906.6470.17097413585055666475.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <150152139906.6470.17097413585055666475.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 11:13:35 -0400 Message-ID: To: 99attendees@ietf.org Cc: 99all@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c11c1a44de22b0555b298c8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [99attendees] [99all] IETF 99 Meeting Survey X-BeenThere: 99attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 99 attendees that have opted in on this list <99attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2017 15:13:54 -0000 --94eb2c11c1a44de22b0555b298c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know if it is the Secretariat or Survey Monkey, but someone has decided to join the trend towards making the Internet illegible. See http://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-internet-became-unreadable-2016-10 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/10/23/internet-is-becoming-unreadab= le-because-of-a-trend-towards-light/ I believe I have always completed the post-meeting survey in the past but I have not and will not complete this survey or any future surveys that are made hard to read like this. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:16 PM, IETF Secretariat wrote: > We hope that you enjoyed IETF 99 in Prague. Please help us to improve > future meetings by completing the brief survey (we estimate it will take > less than five minutes) found here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ietf99= . > > Your feedback is very valuable to us. > > Please note that this survey is designed for attendees who were in Prague > for at least a portion of the IETF meeting week. A separate survey will b= e > distributed to remote-only attendees. > > If you attended any of the tutorials on Sunday, we would also appreciate > your feedback on them: > > - Newcomer=E2=80=99s Orientation: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/99newcom= ers > > - IRTF Overview: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/99irtf > > - IEEE 802.1 Time Sensitive Networking: https://www.surveymonkey.com/ > r/99ieee > > - TEEP: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/99teep > > - DNS Privacy: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/99dnsprivacy > > Thank you very much and we hope to see you in Singapore for IETF 100! > > -IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > 99all mailing list > 99all@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/99all > --94eb2c11c1a44de22b0555b298c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't know if it is the Secretariat or Survey Monkey= , but someone has decided to join the trend towards making the Internet ill= egible.
See
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/10/23/i= nternet-is-becoming-unreadable-because-of-a-trend-towards-light/

I believe I have always completed the post-meeting s= urvey in the past but I have not and will not complete this survey or any f= uture surveys that are made hard to read like this.

Thanks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Do= nald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A0155 Beaver Stre= et, Milford, MA 01757 USA
=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.com

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:16 PM, IETF Secret= ariat <ietf-secretariat@ietf.org> wrote:
We hope that you enjoyed IETF 99 in Prague. Please h= elp us to improve future meetings by completing the brief survey (we estima= te it will take less than five minutes) found here: https://www= .surveymonkey.com/r/ietf99.

Your feedback is very valuable to us.

Please note that this survey is designed for attendees who were in Prague f= or at least a portion of the IETF meeting week. A separate survey will be d= istributed to remote-only attendees.

If you attended any of the tutorials on Sunday, we would also appreciate yo= ur feedback on them:

- Newcomer=E2=80=99s Orientation: https://www.surveymonkey= .com/r/99newcomers

- IRTF Overview: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/99irtf=

- IEEE 802.1 Time Sensitive Networking: https://www.surveymonke= y.com/r/99ieee

- TEEP: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/99teep

- DNS Privacy: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/99dns= privacy

Thank you very much and we hope to see you in Singapore for IETF 100!

-IETF Secretariat

_______________________________________________
99all mailing list
99all@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/99all

--94eb2c11c1a44de22b0555b298c8-- From nobody Tue Aug 1 08:45:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 99attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 99attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E108212ECC6 for <99attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 08:44:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1wLcQaHsbYrZ for <99attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 08:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE63113178B for <99attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 08:44:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::b]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v71FiqXG028537; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 17:44:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from client-0208.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-0208.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.107.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3xMLH848LmzDM90; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 17:44:52 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 17:44:51 +0200 Cc: 99attendees@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 523295091.441791-8b61cfd5f810903ae6bf334edd7d15ae Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <150152139906.6470.17097413585055666475.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Donald Eastlake X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [99attendees] [99all] IETF 99 Meeting Survey X-BeenThere: 99attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 99 attendees that have opted in on this list <99attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2017 15:44:58 -0000 On Aug 1, 2017, at 17:13, Donald Eastlake wrote: >=20 > making the Internet illegible I thought we had consensus on that since RFC 7258 :-) (I think you mean making the Web illegible.) But seriously, I filled in the survey in Safari and didn=E2=80=99t = notice a problem at the time. I just tried looking at the forms in Chrome 59 and Opera 46, and, wow, = these forms are genuinely unusable in these browsers. This is most definitely a bug that needs to be fixed. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Tue Aug 1 08:45:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 99attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 99attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9224B12ECC6; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 08:45:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8lzTUmRZFIwH; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 08:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (bsa2.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E24313178B; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 08:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.10] (helo=PSB) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1dcZM0-0000sg-Qf; Tue, 01 Aug 2017 11:45:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2017 11:44:59 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Donald Eastlake , 99attendees@ietf.org cc: 99all@ietf.org Message-ID: <6AC8F1DCD61DEF7FAAD71296@PSB> In-Reply-To: References: <150152139906.6470.17097413585055666475.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.10 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: john-ietf@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Subject: Re: [99attendees] [99all] IETF 99 Meeting Survey X-BeenThere: 99attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 99 attendees that have opted in on this list <99attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2017 15:45:17 -0000 Don, Thanks. +1. And thanks for the references as well as pointing this out. I was beginning to wonder if it was just me... and I have high-resolution, etc., large screens. john --On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 11:13 -0400 Donald Eastlake wrote: > I don't know if it is the Secretariat or Survey Monkey, but > someone has decided to join the trend towards making the > Internet illegible. See > http://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-internet-became-unreada > ble-2016-10 > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/10/23/internet-is-beco > ming-unreadable-because-of-a-trend-towards-light/ > > I believe I have always completed the post-meeting survey in > the past but I have not and will not complete this survey or > any future surveys that are made hard to read like this. 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[73.167.64.188]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v23sm19861319qkb.65.2017.08.01.08.59.40 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 01 Aug 2017 08:59:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ted Lemon Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_34607C75-368F-411F-882B-D408536B6287" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 11:59:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: <6AC8F1DCD61DEF7FAAD71296@PSB> Cc: Donald Eastlake , 99attendees@ietf.org, 99all@ietf.org To: John C Klensin References: <150152139906.6470.17097413585055666475.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <6AC8F1DCD61DEF7FAAD71296@PSB> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [99attendees] [99all] IETF 99 Meeting Survey X-BeenThere: 99attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 99 attendees that have opted in on this list <99attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2017 15:59:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_34607C75-368F-411F-882B-D408536B6287 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 1, 2017, at 11:44 AM, John C Klensin wrote: > Thanks. +1. And thanks for the references as well as pointing > this out. I was beginning to wonder if it was just me... and I > have high-resolution, etc., large screens. Weirdly, the font is the same size in Chrome and Safari, but is more = legible in Safari. I wonder what is causing this. That said, choosing fonts with really skinny lines is probably not good = for readability by greybeards. I find this particular survey right on = the edge of readability; if my glasses were less good, I probably would = be having the same problem Donald had. --Apple-Mail=_34607C75-368F-411F-882B-D408536B6287 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii On Aug 1, 2017, at 11:44 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> = wrote:
Thanks.  +1. =  And thanks for the references as well as pointing
this out.  I was beginning to wonder if it = was just me... and I
have = high-resolution, etc., large screens.

Weirdly, the font is the same size in Chrome = and Safari, but is more legible in Safari.   I wonder what is = causing this.

That said, choosing fonts with really skinny lines is = probably not good for readability by greybeards.   I find this = particular survey right on the edge of readability; if my glasses were = less good, I probably would be having the same problem Donald = had.

= --Apple-Mail=_34607C75-368F-411F-882B-D408536B6287-- From nobody Tue Aug 1 09:46:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 99attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 99attendees@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8121F131DF7 for <99attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 09:45:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9AE2gy97BMUx for <99attendees@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 09:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41DC9126C7A for <99attendees@ietf.org>; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 09:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290E91CAEC3; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 09:45:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gBGFHoKtC5Jq; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 09:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [64.170.98.130] (unknown [64.170.98.130]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 008ED1CAEA3; Tue, 1 Aug 2017 09:45:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexa Morris Message-Id: <9F01D52D-8D91-43DD-8CF8-7131B26FF07C@amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D1D7356C-7795-41DA-94B0-9819AD084978" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 09:46:19 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: John C Klensin , Donald Eastlake , 99attendees@ietf.org To: Ted Lemon References: <150152139906.6470.17097413585055666475.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <6AC8F1DCD61DEF7FAAD71296@PSB> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [99attendees] [99all] IETF 99 Meeting Survey X-BeenThere: 99attendees@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Mailing list of IETF 99 attendees that have opted in on this list <99attendees.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2017 16:45:58 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D1D7356C-7795-41DA-94B0-9819AD084978 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The meeting survey was composed using the default Survey Monkey = template. However, I=E2=80=99ve just changed the settings with the goal = of making it more legible.=20 Alexa > On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: >=20 > On Aug 1, 2017, at 11:44 AM, John C Klensin > wrote: >> Thanks. +1. And thanks for the references as well as pointing >> this out. I was beginning to wonder if it was just me... and I >> have high-resolution, etc., large screens. >=20 > Weirdly, the font is the same size in Chrome and Safari, but is more = legible in Safari. I wonder what is causing this. >=20 > That said, choosing fonts with really skinny lines is probably not = good for readability by greybeards. I find this particular survey = right on the edge of readability; if my glasses were less good, I = probably would be having the same problem Donald had. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > 99attendees mailing list > 99attendees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/99attendees --Apple-Mail=_D1D7356C-7795-41DA-94B0-9819AD084978 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 The meeting survey was composed using the default Survey = Monkey template. However, I=E2=80=99ve just changed the settings with = the goal of making it more legible. 

Alexa

On = Aug 1, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:

On Aug 1, = 2017, at 11:44 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
Thanks.  +1.  And thanks for = the references as well as pointing
this out.  I = was beginning to wonder if it was just me... and I
have high-resolution, etc., large = screens.

Weirdly, the font is the same size in Chrome and Safari, but = is more legible in Safari.   I wonder what is causing = this.

That = said, choosing fonts with really skinny lines is probably not good for = readability by greybeards.   I find this particular survey right on = the edge of readability; if my glasses were less good, I probably would = be having the same problem Donald had.

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However, I=E2=80=99ve just changed the settings with the goal = of making it more legible.=20 Works for me now in Opera and Chrome. The now black type on white background helps, the switch to 15px helps, = and the serif font helps. Note that the style still has a too low font-weight of 300, which just = happens not to have an effect as droid serif font doesn=E2=80=99t appear = to have that light weight. A font-weight of 300 is fine for slightly = more large-type text =E2=80=94 if it actually is mapped right; here it = appears Chrome/Opera are mapping to Thin (really 200), not to Light. = Bug, I=E2=80=99d say. 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I have now competed the survey. On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Aug 1, 2017, at 17:13, Donald Eastlake wrote: > > making the Internet illegible > > ... > (I think you mean making the Web illegible.) > Yes, I meant the Web. ... > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > And, in response to a couple of other messages, I could read it although it was noticeably harder to read than most things I encounter on the web. I was about half way through filling it out the first time when I said to myself that this needs to be fixed, closed the window, and sent my earlier email. Thanks, Donald =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com --94eb2c11c1a44a705e0555b44bd0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks to the Secretariat for fixing fixing this problem. = I have now competed the survey.

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 1= 1:44 AM, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
On Aug 1, 2017, at 17:13, Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:
> making the Internet illegible

...
(I think you mean making the Web illegible.)
=C2=A0
Yes, I meant the Web.

...
Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

And, in response to= a couple of other messages, I could read it although it was noticeably har= der to read than most things I encounter on the web. I was about half way t= hrough filling it out the first time when I said to myself that this needs = to be fixed, closed the window, and sent my earlier email.

Thanks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlak= e 3rd =C2=A0 +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A0155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA= 01757 USA
=C2=A0d= 3e3e3@gmail.com
=C2=A0

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