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On 11/29/2012 04:24 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:

> Dear AAA doctors,
 >
 > An errata has been filed forFC3575
 > <http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3575.txt>, "IANA Considerations for
 > RADIUS (Remote Authentication Dial In User Service)" See
 > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=3378 This errata was
 > discussed in RADEXT. However, I want to double check that you guys
 > are fine with it.

Thanks for checking: I, at least, am not fine with it.  AFAICT, the 
erratum is either a no-op or nonsense, since there seems to be no part 
of RFC 3575 that applies to 2868.

>
 > Regards, Benoit
 >
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On 11/29/2012 10:44 PM, Dave Nelson wrote:

>
 >> From this discussion, I take as granted as the AAA doctors are fine
 >> with the version 7
 >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-07.
 >
 >>
 > Am I correct?
 >
 > I think the discussion is ongoing. :(
 >
 >
 > I haven't been following this issue as closely as I might, but my
 > takeaway is that the draft is attempting to use a Call-Check or
 > Authorize-Only type of operation for which there is *no* form of
 > identity (even end-point station identity), no previous
 > authentication and no "state". Is that correct? If so, then I think
 > this is a fundamental misuse of RADIUS.
 >
 > I'll be happy to be corrected or told to go read the draft more
 > carefully. :-)

 From my own reading, I think that your characterization is accurate 
(although the draft is so detail-free and the English language usage so 
poor that it's kind of hard to tell what's really going on).  I wonder 
how this even got to IETF LC...

>
 > Regards,
 >
 > Dave
 >
 > David B. Nelson Director of Technology Elbrys Networks, Inc.
 > www.elbrys.com <http://www.elbrys.com> +1.603.570.2636
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Subject: Re: [AAA-DOCTORS] RFC3575, "IANA Considerations for RADIUS (Remote Authentication Dial In User Service)"
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On 11/30/2012 05:00 PM, Leaf yeh wrote:

>  http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=3378
 >
 > <quote> Section Metadata says: Updates: 2865 It should say: Updates:
 > 2865, 2868 </quote>
 >
 > a. I can't find RFC2868 in text body of RFC3575 except for the
 > section 3.2 of 'Informative References'. b. There is also no
 > explanation (or notes) on this errata.
 >
 >
 > On the other hand, I might found a errata in the Appendix A of
 > RFC3575.

Looks right to me, file it!

>
 > # Message Reference ----
 > ------------------------- --------- 4 Accounting-Request
 > [RFC2865] 5 Accounting-Response [RFC2865]
 >
 > It should be:
 >
 > # Message Reference ----
 > ------------------------- --------- 4 Accounting-Request
 > [RFC2866] 5 Accounting-Response [RFC2866]
 >
 > Notes: Section 4 of RFC2865 has not really defined these 2 messages,
 > they are defined in section 4 of RFC2866.
 >
 >
 > Best Regards, Leaf
 >
 >
 >
 > From: aaa-doctors-bounces@ietf.org
 > [mailto:aaa-doctors-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Nelson Sent:
 > Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:22 PM To: Benoit Claise Cc:
 > aaa-doctors@ietf.org Subject: Re: [AAA-DOCTORS] RFC3575, "IANA
 > Considerations for RADIUS (Remote Authentication Dial In User
 > Service)"
 >
 > Looks good to me.
 >
 > Regards,
 >
 > Dave
 >
 > David B. Nelson Director of Technology Elbrys Networks, Inc.
 > www.elbrys.com +1.603.570.2636 On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 4:24 AM,
 > Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote: Dear AAA doctors,
 >
 > An errata has been filed for FC3575, "IANA Considerations for RADIUS
 > (Remote Authentication Dial In User Service)" See
 > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=3378 This errata was
 > discussed in RADEXT. However, I want to double check that you guys
 > are fine with it.
 >
 > Regards, Benoit
 >
 > _______________________________________________ AAA-DOCTORS mailing
 > list AAA-DOCTORS@ietf.org
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Dear all, Glen,

Let me give you some background on this errata.
First of all, this errata, which was mentioned by Bernard, has been 
discussed a long time ago.
I asked Bernard to file the errata, to have some concrete text to discuss.

Some background information (email from Bernard)

    RFC 3575 Section 2.1 states the following:

    Certain attributes (for example, NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a list of values to correspond with various meanings.
    There can be 4 billion (2^32) values for each attribute. Additional values can be allocated by the Designated Expert.
    The exception to this policy is the Service-Type attribute (6), whose values define new modes of operation for RADIUS.
    Values 1-16 of the Service-Type attribute have been allocated. Allocation of new Service-Type values are by IETF Consensus.
    The intention is that any allocation will be accompanied by a published RFC.

    Note that the Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type attributes arenot called out as an exception, only Service-Type.
    If the intent was to exempt RFC 2868, those attributes would have  been  included as exceptions but they are not.

    Therefore, it looks to me like the omission of RFC 2868 in the  Updates: header is an errata.


 From the IETF 80 meeting minutes, 
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/minutes/radext.txt:

    2. IANA issues
    A. How to allocate tunnel params? In RFC 3575 (RFC2868 conflicts as
    3575 assigns based on expert review but didn't update 2868).
    Omission of RFC 2868 could be an errata; this is basically a request
    for metadata.
    - Asks Dan for comment: was looking for input from the working group
    before proceeding.
    - Alan thought it was an errata.
    - Stefan states no opinion.
    - Klaas also states no opinion.
    - Nancy asks for further understanding. Bernard clarifies: RFC 2868
    states "standards action" and 3575 is more lenient in saying just
    expert review.
    - Now Dan remembers: when there's conflicts such as this, 2
    solutions: take the stricter or take the latest. But if it's the
    latest, then it needs to be clearer. Believes in this case, explicit
    clarification is justified since 3575 is more recent and the request
    is justified. But need IESG perspective review by WG.
    - Bernard suggests to get a sense of this group and then take it to
    the mailgroup.
    Asks: proposal is to accept and verify the errata and update 3575 to
    include 2868.
    In favor: 10, non oppose. Given consensus, will take to the mail list.


So we have consensus in the WG that this errata is valid.

I wanted to update the errata with the information above.
However, there is a problem, I can't: "Access Denied: RFC3575 is not a 
product of your stream. You are not the verifier of its errata. If you 
have information about this errata, please contact the *ISE & Editorial 
Board*."
Note: I copied Nevil Brownlee on this email thread.

This is weird: this is an independent track RFC, but with the status of 
Proposed Standard!!! Maybe this document was an exception because it 
updated RFC 2865?
I found back the old last call: 
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web-old/ietf-announce-old/current/msg22711.html


Bernard, can you please update the errata with the background 
information above.
Also, this errata itself is not complete, you must add:
OLD:

	This document updates RFC 2865.

NEW:

	This document updates RFC 2865 and RFC 2868.


So the plan of action is:
1. update the errata with the background information.
2. double-check the proposed resolution with the AAA doctors. This email 
thread.
     Glen, does this background information change your point of view?
3. discuss with the IESG and ISE what to do in case of errata related to 
the metadata.

Regards, Benoit.



> On 11/29/2012 04:24 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:
>
>> Dear AAA doctors,
> >
> > An errata has been filed forFC3575
> > <http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3575.txt>, "IANA Considerations for
> > RADIUS (Remote Authentication Dial In User Service)" See
> > http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=3378 This errata was
> > discussed in RADEXT. However, I want to double check that you guys
> > are fine with it.
>
> Thanks for checking: I, at least, am not fine with it.  AFAICT, the 
> erratum is either a no-op or nonsense, since there seems to be no part 
> of RFC 3575 that applies to 2868.
>
>>
> > Regards, Benoit
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________ AAA-DOCTORS mailing
> > list AAA-DOCTORS@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/aaa-doctors
>
>
>


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear all, Glen,<br>
      <br>
      Let me give you some background on this errata.<br>
      First of all, this errata, which was mentioned by Bernard, has
      been discussed a long time ago.<br>
      I asked Bernard to file the errata, to have some concrete text to
      discuss.<br>
      <br>
      Some background information (email from Bernard)<br>
      <blockquote>
        <pre>RFC 3575 Section 2.1 states the following:<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Certain attributes (for example, NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a list of values to correspond with various meanings. 
There can be 4 billion (2^32) values for each attribute. Additional values can be allocated by the Designated Expert. 
The exception to this policy is the Service-Type attribute (6), whose values define new modes of operation for RADIUS. 
Values 1-16 of the Service-Type attribute have been allocated. Allocation of new Service-Type values are by IETF Consensus. 
The intention is that any allocation will be accompanied by a published RFC.<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Note that the Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type attributes are <o:p></o:p>not called out as an exception, only Service-Type.<o:p></o:p>
If the intent was to exempt RFC 2868, those attributes would have<o:p></o:p> been<o:p></o:p> included as exceptions but they are not.<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Therefore, it looks to me like the omission of RFC 2868 in the<o:p></o:p> Updates: header is an errata.</pre>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      From the IETF 80 meeting minutes, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
        href="https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/minutes/radext.txt">https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/minutes/radext.txt</a>:<br>
      <blockquote>2. IANA issues <br>
        A. How to allocate tunnel params? In RFC 3575 (RFC2868 conflicts
        as 3575 assigns based on expert review but didn&#8217;t update 2868).
        Omission of RFC 2868 could be an errata; this is basically a
        request for metadata. <br>
        - Asks Dan for comment: was looking for input from the working
        group before proceeding. <br>
        - Alan thought it was an errata. <br>
        - Stefan states no opinion. <br>
        - Klaas also states no opinion. <br>
        - Nancy asks for further understanding. Bernard clarifies: RFC
        2868 states &#8220;standards action&#8221; and 3575 is more lenient in
        saying just expert review.<br>
        - Now Dan remembers: when there&#8217;s conflicts such as this, 2
        solutions: take the stricter or take the latest. But if it&#8217;s the
        latest, then it needs to be clearer. Believes in this case,
        explicit clarification is justified since 3575 is more recent
        and the request is justified. But need IESG perspective review
        by WG. <br>
        - Bernard suggests to get a sense of this group and then take it
        to the mailgroup. <br>
        Asks: proposal is to accept and verify the errata and update
        3575 to include 2868.<br>
        In favor: 10, non oppose. Given consensus, will take to the mail
        list. <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      So we have consensus in the WG that this errata is valid.<br>
      <br>
      I wanted to update the errata with the information above. <br>
      However, there is a problem, I can't: "Access Denied: RFC3575 is
      not a product of your stream. You are not the verifier of its
      errata.
      If you have information about this errata, please contact the <b>ISE
        &amp; Editorial Board</b>."<br>
      Note: I copied Nevil Brownlee on this email thread.<br>
      <br>
      This is weird: this is an independent track RFC, but with the
      status of Proposed Standard!!! Maybe this document was an
      exception because it updated RFC 2865?<br>
      I found back the old last call:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web-old/ietf-announce-old/current/msg22711.html">http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web-old/ietf-announce-old/current/msg22711.html</a><br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Bernard, can you please update the errata with the background
      information above.<br>
      Also, this errata itself is not complete, you must add:<br>
      OLD:<br>
      <pre>	This document updates RFC 2865.</pre>
      NEW:<br>
      <pre>	This document updates RFC 2865 and RFC 2868.</pre>
      <br>
      So the plan of action is:<br>
      1. update the errata with the background information.<br>
      2. double-check the proposed resolution with the AAA doctors. This
      email thread.<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Glen, does this background information change your point of
      view?<br>
      3. discuss with the IESG and ISE what to do in case of errata
      related to the metadata.<br>
      <br>
      Regards, Benoit.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:50BC0C65.3080802@gmail.com" type="cite">On
      11/29/2012 04:24 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:
      <br>
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">Dear AAA doctors,
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      &gt;
      <br>
      &gt; An errata has been filed forFC3575
      <br>
      &gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3575.txt">&lt;http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3575.txt&gt;</a>, "IANA
      Considerations for
      <br>
      &gt; RADIUS (Remote Authentication Dial In User Service)" See
      <br>
      &gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=3378">http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=3378</a> This
      errata was
      <br>
      &gt; discussed in RADEXT. However, I want to double check that you
      guys
      <br>
      &gt; are fine with it.
      <br>
      <br>
      Thanks for checking: I, at least, am not fine with it.&nbsp; AFAICT,
      the erratum is either a no-op or nonsense, since there seems to be
      no part of RFC 3575 that applies to 2868.
      <br>
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      &gt; Regards, Benoit
      <br>
      &gt;
      <br>
      &gt;
      <br>
      &gt; _______________________________________________ AAA-DOCTORS
      mailing
      <br>
      &gt; list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:AAA-DOCTORS@ietf.org">AAA-DOCTORS@ietf.org</a>
      <br>
      &gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/aaa-doctors">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/aaa-doctors</a>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
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On 12/03/2012 05:09 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:

> Dear all, Glen,
 >
 > Let me give you some background on this errata. First of all, this
 > errata, which was mentioned by Bernard, has been discussed a long
 > time ago. I asked Bernard to file the errata, to have some concrete
 > text to discuss.
 >
 > Some background information (email from Bernard)
 >
 > RFC 3575 Section 2.1 states the following:
 >
 > Certain attributes (for example, NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a
 > list of values to correspond with various meanings. There can be 4
 > billion (2^32) values for each attribute. Additional values can be
 > allocated by the Designated Expert. The exception to this policy is
 > the Service-Type attribute (6), whose values define new modes of
 > operation for RADIUS. Values 1-16 of the Service-Type attribute have
 > been allocated. Allocation of new Service-Type values are by IETF
 > Consensus. The intention is that any allocation will be accompanied
 > by a published RFC.
 >
 > Note that the Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type attributes are not
 > called out as an exception, only Service-Type. If the intent was to
 > exempt RFC 2868, those attributes would have been included as
 > exceptions but they are not.
 >
 > Therefore, it looks to me like the omission of RFC 2868 in the
 > Updates: header is an errata.
 >
 >
 > From the IETF 80 meeting minutes,
 > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/80/minutes/radext.txt:
 >
 > 2. IANA issues A. How to allocate tunnel params? In RFC 3575 (RFC2868
 > conflicts as 3575 assigns based on expert review but didn’t update
 > 2868). Omission of RFC 2868 could be an errata; this is basically a
 > request for metadata. - Asks Dan for comment: was looking for input
 > from the working group before proceeding. - Alan thought it was an
 > errata. - Stefan states no opinion. - Klaas also states no opinion. -
 > Nancy asks for further understanding. Bernard clarifies: RFC 2868
 > states “standards action” and 3575 is more lenient in saying just
 > expert review. - Now Dan remembers: when there’s conflicts such as
 > this, 2 solutions: take the stricter or take the latest. But if it’s
 > the latest, then it needs to be clearer. Believes in this case,
 > explicit clarification is justified since 3575 is more recent and the
 > request is justified. But need IESG perspective review by WG. -
 > Bernard suggests to get a sense of this group and then take it to the
 > mailgroup. Asks: proposal is to accept and verify the errata and
 > update 3575 to include 2868. In favor: 10, non oppose. Given
 > consensus, will take to the mail list.
 >
 >
 > So we have consensus in the WG that this errata is valid.
 >
 > I wanted to update the errata with the information above. However,
 > there is a problem, I can't: "Access Denied: RFC3575 is not a product
 > of your stream. You are not the verifier of its errata. If you have
 > information about this errata, please contact the *ISE & Editorial
 > Board*." Note: I copied Nevil Brownlee on this email thread.
 >
 > This is weird: this is an independent track RFC, but with the status
 > of Proposed Standard!!! Maybe this document was an exception because
 > it updated RFC 2865? I found back the old last call:
 > 
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web-old/ietf-announce-old/current/msg22711.html

IIRC,
>
there were no "Tracks" back then ; the IETF universe was a far less 
anal-retentive place ;-).

>
 >
 >
 >
 >
Bernard, can you please update the errata with the background 
information above.
> Also, this errata itself is not  complete, you must add: OLD: This
 > document updates RFC 2865. NEW: This document updates RFC 2865 and
 > RFC 2868.
 >
 > So the plan of action is: 1. update the errata with the background
 > information. 2. double-check the proposed resolution with the AAA
 > doctors. This email thread. Glen, does this background information
 > change your point of view?

Not at all; in fact, it supports my assertion. The quote from RFC 3575 
above says that "Certain attributes (for example, NAS-Port-Type) in 
RADIUS define a
list of values to correspond with various meanings. There can be 4 
billion (2^32) values for each attribute." However, both the Tunnel-Type 
and Tunnel-Medium-Type Attributes are 3 octets in length, giving a range 
of 2^24 values for each. If you want to update 3575 so that it applies, 
that's fine, but right now it doesn't. Furthermore, the IANA allocation 
policy specified in RFC 2868 was chosen carefully, after considerable 
deliberation, to dissuade people from populating the table with "flavor 
of the month" values; loosening the policy seems purposeless at best. Do 
we really have nothing better to do?


 > 3. discuss with the IESG and ISE what to
> do in case of errata related to  the metadata.
 >
 > Regards, Benoit.
 >
 >
 >
 >> On 11/29/2012 04:24 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:
 >>
 >>> Dear AAA doctors,
 >>>
 >>> An errata has been filed forFC3575
 >>> <http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3575.txt>, "IANA Considerations
 >>> for RADIUS (Remote Authentication Dial In User Service)" See
 >>> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?eid=3378 This errata
 >>> was discussed in RADEXT. However, I want to double check that
 >>> you guys are fine with it.
 >>
 >> Thanks for checking: I, at least, am not fine with it. AFAICT, the
 >> erratum is either a no-op or nonsense, since there seems to be no
 >> part of RFC 3575 that applies to 2868.
 >>
 >>>
 >>> Regards, Benoit
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> _______________________________________________ AAA-DOCTORS
 >>> mailing list AAA-DOCTORS@ietf.org
 >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/aaa-doctors
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >



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Glen,
>
> >
> > So the plan of action is: 1. update the errata with the background
> > information. 2. double-check the proposed resolution with the AAA
> > doctors. This email thread. Glen, does this background information
> > change your point of view?
>
> Not at all; in fact, it supports my assertion. The quote from RFC 3575 
> above says that "Certain attributes (for example, NAS-Port-Type) in 
> RADIUS define a
> list of values to correspond with various meanings. There can be 4 
> billion (2^32) values for each attribute." However, both the 
> Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type Attributes are 3 octets in length, 
> giving a range of 2^24 values for each. If you want to update 3575 so 
> that it applies, that's fine, but right now it doesn't. Furthermore, 
> the IANA allocation policy specified in RFC 2868 was chosen carefully, 
> after considerable deliberation, to dissuade people from populating 
> the table with "flavor of the month" values; loosening the policy 
> seems purposeless at best. Do we really have nothing better to do?
The discussion, as I understand it,  is about "IETF consensus" versus 
"Designated Expert"
 From RFC 2868

    6.1.  Tunnel-Type Attribute Values

        Values 1-12 of the Tunnel-Type Attribute are defined in Section 5.1;
        the remaining values are available for assignment by the IANA with
        _IETF Consensus_  [16].

    6.2.  Tunnel-Medium-Type Attribute Values

        Values 1-15 of the Tunnel-Medium-Type Attribute are defined in
        Section 5.2; the remaining values are available for assignment by the
        IANA with_IETF Consensus_  [16].

 From RFC 3575

    Certain attributes (for example, NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a
    list of values to correspond with various meanings.  There can be 4
    billion (2^32) values for each attribute.  Additional values can be
    allocated by the_Designated Expert_._The exception to this policy is
    the Service-Type attribute (6)_, whose values define new modes of
    operation for RADIUS.


So  Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type are "IETF consensus" or 
"Designated Expert"?

Regards, Benoit


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Glen,<br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:50BD7757.2040406@gmail.com" type="cite">
      <br>
      &gt;
      <br>
      &gt; So the plan of action is: 1. update the errata with the
      background
      <br>
      &gt; information. 2. double-check the proposed resolution with the
      AAA
      <br>
      &gt; doctors. This email thread. Glen, does this background
      information
      <br>
      &gt; change your point of view?
      <br>
      <br>
      Not at all; in fact, it supports my assertion. The quote from RFC
      3575 above says that "Certain attributes (for example,
      NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a
      <br>
      list of values to correspond with various meanings. There can be 4
      billion (2^32) values for each attribute." However, both the
      Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type Attributes are 3 octets in
      length, giving a range of 2^24 values for each. If you want to
      update 3575 so that it applies, that's fine, but right now it
      doesn't. Furthermore, the IANA allocation policy specified in RFC
      2868 was chosen carefully, after considerable deliberation, to
      dissuade people from populating the table with "flavor of the
      month" values; loosening the policy seems purposeless at best. Do
      we really have nothing better to do?
      <br>
    </blockquote>
    The discussion, as I understand it,  is about "IETF consensus"
    versus "Designated Expert"<br>
    From RFC 2868<br>
    <blockquote>
      <pre>6.1.  Tunnel-Type Attribute Values

   Values 1-12 of the Tunnel-Type Attribute are defined in Section 5.1;
   the remaining values are available for assignment by the IANA with
   <u>IETF Consensus</u> [16].

6.2.  Tunnel-Medium-Type Attribute Values

   Values 1-15 of the Tunnel-Medium-Type Attribute are defined in
   Section 5.2; the remaining values are available for assignment by the
   IANA with <u>IETF Consensus</u> [16].</pre>
    </blockquote>
    From RFC 3575<br>
    <pre class="newpage">   Certain attributes (for example, NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a
   list of values to correspond with various meanings.  There can be 4
   billion (2^32) values for each attribute.  Additional values can be
   allocated by the <u>Designated Expert</u>.  <u>The exception to this policy is
   the Service-Type attribute (6)</u>, whose values define new modes of
   operation for RADIUS.</pre>
    <br>
    So  Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type 
    are "IETF consensus" or "Designated Expert"?<br>
    <br>
    Regards, Benoit<br>
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Dear all,

The errata has been updated.
See 
http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3575&rec_status=15&presentation=records

Regards, Benoit
> Glen,
>>
>> >
>> > So the plan of action is: 1. update the errata with the background
>> > information. 2. double-check the proposed resolution with the AAA
>> > doctors. This email thread. Glen, does this background information
>> > change your point of view?
>>
>> Not at all; in fact, it supports my assertion. The quote from RFC 
>> 3575 above says that "Certain attributes (for example, NAS-Port-Type) 
>> in RADIUS define a
>> list of values to correspond with various meanings. There can be 4 
>> billion (2^32) values for each attribute." However, both the 
>> Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type Attributes are 3 octets in length, 
>> giving a range of 2^24 values for each. If you want to update 3575 so 
>> that it applies, that's fine, but right now it doesn't. Furthermore, 
>> the IANA allocation policy specified in RFC 2868 was chosen 
>> carefully, after considerable deliberation, to dissuade people from 
>> populating the table with "flavor of the month" values; loosening the 
>> policy seems purposeless at best. Do we really have nothing better to 
>> do?
> The discussion, as I understand it,  is about "IETF consensus" versus 
> "Designated Expert"
> From RFC 2868
>
>     6.1.  Tunnel-Type Attribute Values
>
>         Values 1-12 of the Tunnel-Type Attribute are defined in Section 5.1;
>         the remaining values are available for assignment by the IANA with
>         _IETF Consensus_  [16].
>
>     6.2.  Tunnel-Medium-Type Attribute Values
>
>         Values 1-15 of the Tunnel-Medium-Type Attribute are defined in
>         Section 5.2; the remaining values are available for assignment by the
>         IANA with_IETF Consensus_  [16].
>
> From RFC 3575
>     Certain attributes (for example, NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a
>     list of values to correspond with various meanings.  There can be 4
>     billion (2^32) values for each attribute.  Additional values can be
>     allocated by the_Designated Expert_._The exception to this policy is
>     the Service-Type attribute (6)_, whose values define new modes of
>     operation for RADIUS.
>
> So  Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type  are "IETF consensus" or 
> "Designated Expert"?
>
> Regards, Benoit
>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear all,<br>
      <br>
      The errata has been updated.<br>
      See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3575&amp;rec_status=15&amp;presentation=records">http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3575&amp;rec_status=15&amp;presentation=records</a><br>
      <br>
      Regards, Benoit<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Glen,<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote cite="mid:50BD7757.2040406@gmail.com" type="cite"> <br>
        &gt; <br>
        &gt; So the plan of action is: 1. update the errata with the
        background <br>
        &gt; information. 2. double-check the proposed resolution with
        the AAA <br>
        &gt; doctors. This email thread. Glen, does this background
        information <br>
        &gt; change your point of view? <br>
        <br>
        Not at all; in fact, it supports my assertion. The quote from
        RFC 3575 above says that "Certain attributes (for example,
        NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a <br>
        list of values to correspond with various meanings. There can be
        4 billion (2^32) values for each attribute." However, both the
        Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type Attributes are 3 octets in
        length, giving a range of 2^24 values for each. If you want to
        update 3575 so that it applies, that's fine, but right now it
        doesn't. Furthermore, the IANA allocation policy specified in
        RFC 2868 was chosen carefully, after considerable deliberation,
        to dissuade people from populating the table with "flavor of the
        month" values; loosening the policy seems purposeless at best.
        Do we really have nothing better to do? <br>
      </blockquote>
      The discussion, as I understand it,&nbsp; is about "IETF consensus"
      versus "Designated Expert"<br>
      From RFC 2868<br>
      <blockquote>
        <pre>6.1.  Tunnel-Type Attribute Values

   Values 1-12 of the Tunnel-Type Attribute are defined in Section 5.1;
   the remaining values are available for assignment by the IANA with
   <u>IETF Consensus</u> [16].

6.2.  Tunnel-Medium-Type Attribute Values

   Values 1-15 of the Tunnel-Medium-Type Attribute are defined in
   Section 5.2; the remaining values are available for assignment by the
   IANA with <u>IETF Consensus</u> [16].</pre>
      </blockquote>
      From RFC 3575<br>
      <pre class="newpage">   Certain attributes (for example, NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a
   list of values to correspond with various meanings.  There can be 4
   billion (2^32) values for each attribute.  Additional values can be
   allocated by the <u>Designated Expert</u>.  <u>The exception to this policy is
   the Service-Type attribute (6)</u>, whose values define new modes of
   operation for RADIUS.</pre>
      <br>
      So&nbsp; Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type&nbsp; are "IETF consensus" or
      "Designated Expert"?<br>
      <br>
      Regards, Benoit<br>
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Dear all,

Good news. This errata now shows under OPS.

Next step: agree whether or not this errata is correct.
                   we have the IETF 80 WG meeting participants 
consensus, but Glen is not convinced.

Regards, Benoit.


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Date: 	Tue, 4 Dec 2012 12:05:25 -0500
From: 	Alice Russo <arusso@amsl.com>
To: 	Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
CC: 	Bernard Aboba <Bernard.Aboba@microsoft.com>, RFC Editor 
<rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>, ISE <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>



FYI, the source data for RFC 3575 has been corrected to IETF NON WORKING GROUP. It was incorrectly marked as Independent upon being added to the RFC Editor queue in 2003. We have notified the Secretariat so the datatracker will show the corrected document stream.

Thank you.
RFC Editor/ar

On Dec 4, 2012, at 10:12 AM, I wrote:

> Regarding the source of RFC 3575, I will check with the team about whether it should be corrected from Independent to IETF NON-WG based on the Protocol Action message from 2003 (http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web-old/ietf-announce-old/current/msg23959.html):
>
>> The IESG has approved the Internet-Draft 'IANA Considerations for
>> RADIUS' <draft-aboba-radius-iana-07.txt> as a Proposed Standard.
>> This has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an
>> IETF Working Group.
>>
> (For the purposes of errata review, the area assignment would be ops.)







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    <br>
    Good news. This errata now shows under OPS. <br>
    <br>
    Next step: agree whether or not this errata is correct. <br>
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; we have the IETF 80 WG meeting participants
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      <pre>FYI, the source data for RFC 3575 has been corrected to IETF NON WORKING GROUP. It was incorrectly marked as Independent upon being added to the RFC Editor queue in 2003. We have notified the Secretariat so the datatracker will show the corrected document stream.

Thank you.
RFC Editor/ar

On Dec 4, 2012, at 10:12 AM, I wrote:

&gt; Regarding the source of RFC 3575, I will check with the team about whether it should be corrected from Independent to IETF NON-WG based on the Protocol Action message from 2003 (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web-old/ietf-announce-old/current/msg23959.html">http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web-old/ietf-announce-old/current/msg23959.html</a>):
&gt; 
&gt;&gt; The IESG has approved the Internet-Draft 'IANA Considerations for
&gt;&gt; RADIUS' &lt;draft-aboba-radius-iana-07.txt&gt; as a Proposed Standard.
&gt;&gt; This has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product of an
&gt;&gt; IETF Working Group.
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Bernard,

I believe that the IANA registry needs to be updated as well.
Can you please let me know what exactly.

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> Dear all,
>
> The errata has been updated.
> See 
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3575&rec_status=15&presentation=records
>
> Regards, Benoit
>> Glen,
>>>
>>> >
>>> > So the plan of action is: 1. update the errata with the background
>>> > information. 2. double-check the proposed resolution with the AAA
>>> > doctors. This email thread. Glen, does this background information
>>> > change your point of view?
>>>
>>> Not at all; in fact, it supports my assertion. The quote from RFC 
>>> 3575 above says that "Certain attributes (for example, 
>>> NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a
>>> list of values to correspond with various meanings. There can be 4 
>>> billion (2^32) values for each attribute." However, both the 
>>> Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type Attributes are 3 octets in 
>>> length, giving a range of 2^24 values for each. If you want to 
>>> update 3575 so that it applies, that's fine, but right now it 
>>> doesn't. Furthermore, the IANA allocation policy specified in RFC 
>>> 2868 was chosen carefully, after considerable deliberation, to 
>>> dissuade people from populating the table with "flavor of the month" 
>>> values; loosening the policy seems purposeless at best. Do we really 
>>> have nothing better to do?
>> The discussion, as I understand it,  is about "IETF consensus" versus 
>> "Designated Expert"
>> From RFC 2868
>>
>>     6.1.  Tunnel-Type Attribute Values
>>
>>         Values 1-12 of the Tunnel-Type Attribute are defined in Section 5.1;
>>         the remaining values are available for assignment by the IANA with
>>         _IETF Consensus_  [16].
>>
>>     6.2.  Tunnel-Medium-Type Attribute Values
>>
>>         Values 1-15 of the Tunnel-Medium-Type Attribute are defined in
>>         Section 5.2; the remaining values are available for assignment by the
>>         IANA with_IETF Consensus_  [16].
>>
>> From RFC 3575
>>     Certain attributes (for example, NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a
>>     list of values to correspond with various meanings.  There can be 4
>>     billion (2^32) values for each attribute.  Additional values can be
>>     allocated by the_Designated Expert_._The exception to this policy is
>>     the Service-Type attribute (6)_, whose values define new modes of
>>     operation for RADIUS.
>>
>> So  Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type  are "IETF consensus" or 
>> "Designated Expert"?
>>
>> Regards, Benoit
>>
>>
>>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Bernard,<br>
      <br>
      I believe that the IANA registry needs to be updated as well.<br>
      Can you please let me know what exactly.<br>
      <br>
      Regards, Benoit<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear all,<br>
        <br>
        The errata has been updated.<br>
        See <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3575&amp;rec_status=15&amp;presentation=records">http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=3575&amp;rec_status=15&amp;presentation=records</a><br>
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        Regards, Benoit<br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Glen,<br>
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        <blockquote cite="mid:50BD7757.2040406@gmail.com" type="cite"> <br>
          &gt; <br>
          &gt; So the plan of action is: 1. update the errata with the
          background <br>
          &gt; information. 2. double-check the proposed resolution with
          the AAA <br>
          &gt; doctors. This email thread. Glen, does this background
          information <br>
          &gt; change your point of view? <br>
          <br>
          Not at all; in fact, it supports my assertion. The quote from
          RFC 3575 above says that "Certain attributes (for example,
          NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a <br>
          list of values to correspond with various meanings. There can
          be 4 billion (2^32) values for each attribute." However, both
          the Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type Attributes are 3 octets
          in length, giving a range of 2^24 values for each. If you want
          to update 3575 so that it applies, that's fine, but right now
          it doesn't. Furthermore, the IANA allocation policy specified
          in RFC 2868 was chosen carefully, after considerable
          deliberation, to dissuade people from populating the table
          with "flavor of the month" values; loosening the policy seems
          purposeless at best. Do we really have nothing better to do? <br>
        </blockquote>
        The discussion, as I understand it,&nbsp; is about "IETF consensus"
        versus "Designated Expert"<br>
        From RFC 2868<br>
        <blockquote>
          <pre>6.1.  Tunnel-Type Attribute Values

   Values 1-12 of the Tunnel-Type Attribute are defined in Section 5.1;
   the remaining values are available for assignment by the IANA with
   <u>IETF Consensus</u> [16].

6.2.  Tunnel-Medium-Type Attribute Values

   Values 1-15 of the Tunnel-Medium-Type Attribute are defined in
   Section 5.2; the remaining values are available for assignment by the
   IANA with <u>IETF Consensus</u> [16].</pre>
        </blockquote>
        From RFC 3575<br>
        <pre class="newpage">   Certain attributes (for example, NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a
   list of values to correspond with various meanings.  There can be 4
   billion (2^32) values for each attribute.  Additional values can be
   allocated by the <u>Designated Expert</u>.  <u>The exception to this policy is
   the Service-Type attribute (6)</u>, whose values define new modes of
   operation for RADIUS.</pre>
        <br>
        So&nbsp; Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type&nbsp; are "IETF consensus" or
        "Designated Expert"?<br>
        <br>
        Regards, Benoit<br>
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On 12/04/2012 06:34 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:

> Glen,
 >>
 >>>
 >>> So the plan of action is: 1. update the errata with the
 >>> background information. 2. double-check the proposed resolution
 >>> with the AAA doctors. This email thread. Glen, does this
 >>> background information change your point of view?
 >>
 >> Not at all; in fact, it supports my assertion. The quote from RFC
 >> 3575 above says that "Certain attributes (for example,
 >> NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a list of values to correspond with
 >> various meanings. There can be 4 billion (2^32) values for each
 >> attribute." However, both the Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type
 >> Attributes are 3 octets in length, giving a range of 2^24 values
 >> for each. If you want to update 3575 so that it applies, that's
 >> fine, but right now it doesn't. Furthermore, the IANA allocation
 >> policy specified in RFC 2868 was chosen carefully, after
 >> considerable deliberation, to dissuade people from populating the
 >> table with "flavor of the month" values; loosening the policy seems
 >> purposeless at best. Do we really have nothing better to do?
 > The discussion, as I understand it, is about "IETF consensus" versus
 > "Designated Expert" From RFC 2868

Oh, I see!  Silly me, I had thought that the discussion was about 
whether there had been an oversight or, you know, an actual /error/ made 
in RFC 3575 that would make an erratum necessary.  I made the case that 
this was not correct, because 3575 and 2868 are talking about different 
RADIUS data types (at least according to RFC 6158). However, if the 
discussion is about "IETF Consensus" versus "Designated Expert" then I 
can't imagine that anyone on the planet actually cares -- certainly not I.

...

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Dear all,

(Thanks Glen for your reply)

Do you confirm that IANA needs to be changed the following way?

http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-14
OLD
Registration Procedures
     IETF Consensus
Reference
     [RFC2868]

NEW
Registration Procedures
     Designated Expert
Reference
     [RFC3575]


http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-15
OLD
Registration Procedures
     IETF Consensus
Reference
     [RFC2868]

NEW
Registration Procedures
     Designated Expert
Reference
     [RFC3575]

Regards, Benoit
> On 12/04/2012 06:34 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:
>
>> Glen,
> >>
> >>>
> >>> So the plan of action is: 1. update the errata with the
> >>> background information. 2. double-check the proposed resolution
> >>> with the AAA doctors. This email thread. Glen, does this
> >>> background information change your point of view?
> >>
> >> Not at all; in fact, it supports my assertion. The quote from RFC
> >> 3575 above says that "Certain attributes (for example,
> >> NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a list of values to correspond with
> >> various meanings. There can be 4 billion (2^32) values for each
> >> attribute." However, both the Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type
> >> Attributes are 3 octets in length, giving a range of 2^24 values
> >> for each. If you want to update 3575 so that it applies, that's
> >> fine, but right now it doesn't. Furthermore, the IANA allocation
> >> policy specified in RFC 2868 was chosen carefully, after
> >> considerable deliberation, to dissuade people from populating the
> >> table with "flavor of the month" values; loosening the policy seems
> >> purposeless at best. Do we really have nothing better to do?
> > The discussion, as I understand it, is about "IETF consensus" versus
> > "Designated Expert" From RFC 2868
>
> Oh, I see!  Silly me, I had thought that the discussion was about 
> whether there had been an oversight or, you know, an actual /error/ 
> made in RFC 3575 that would make an erratum necessary.  I made the 
> case that this was not correct, because 3575 and 2868 are talking 
> about different RADIUS data types (at least according to RFC 6158). 
> However, if the discussion is about "IETF Consensus" versus 
> "Designated Expert" then I can't imagine that anyone on the planet 
> actually cares -- certainly not I.
>
> ...
>
>


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Dear all,

Please find below the agenda of the December 13th  IESG telechat.
Please send your questions, comments and concerns before Dec 12 COB.

Thanks and Regards, Benoit

============================================================

2. Protocol Actions
2.1 WG Submissions
2.1.1 New Items

   o draft-ietf-mediactrl-mrb-16
     Media Resource Brokering (Proposed Standard)
     Note: Dale Worley (dworley@avaya.com) is the document shepherd.
     Token: Robert Sparks

2.1.2 Returning Items

   o draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-redundancy-consider-03
     DHCPv6 Redundancy Deployment Considerations (Best Current Practice)
     Note: Ted Lemon (ted.lemon@nominum.com) is the document shepherd.
     Token: Ralph Droms

2.2 Individual Submissions
2.2.1 New Items

   o draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-05
     Update to RFC 3777 to Clarify Nominating Committee Eligibility of
     IETF Leadership (Best Current Practice)
     Token: Russ Housley

2.2.2 Returning Items

   NONE

3. Document Actions
3.1 WG Submissions
3.1.1 New Items

   o draft-ietf-tcpm-initcwnd-06
     Increasing TCP's Initial Window (Experimental)
     Note: Yoshifumi Nishida (nishida@sfc.wide.ad.jp) is the Document
     Shepherd for this document.
     Token: Wesley Eddy

3.1.2 Returning Items

   o draft-ietf-ppsp-problem-statement-11
     Problem Statement and Requirements of Peer-to-Peer Streaming
     Protocol (PPSP) (Informational)
     Note: Stefano Previdi (sprevidi@cisco.com) is the document shepherd.
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3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD
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   o draft-kumaki-murai-l3vpn-rsvp-te-07
     Support for RSVP-TE in L3VPNs (Experimental)
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   o conflict-review-masotta-tftpexts-windowsize-opt-00
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AAA doctors,

Here is a new draft version.
Let us know if your points have been addressed.

Regards, Benoit


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rdroms.ietf@gmail.com, adrian@olddog.co.uk, bclaise@cisco.com, 
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A new version (-08) has been submitted for draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08.txt

Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed


The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib/

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    AAA doctors,<br>
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    Here is a new draft version.<br>
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    Regards, Benoit<br>
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            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a></td>
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            <td><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:softwire-chairs@tools.ietf.org">softwire-chairs@tools.ietf.org</a>,
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org</a>,
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rdroms.ietf@gmail.com">rdroms.ietf@gmail.com</a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>,
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bclaise@cisco.com">bclaise@cisco.com</a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:turners@ieca.com">turners@ieca.com</a></td>
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      <pre>A new version (-08) has been submitted for draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08.txt">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08.txt</a>

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Hi AAA doctors,

Should John zhao be an AAA doctor?
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Note: I joined the AAA list around February, and he has not been a 
single email since that time

Regards, Benoit



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Dear Benoit,
         Firstly, I've the experience on the access network design about 
Ethernet, PON, Wi-Fi, Wimax etc.
         Secondly, I've ever designed AAA related protocols and products 
for managing of LTE/xDSL/PON etc devices.
         Finally, I've ever invovled in AAA doctor loop. I'm familiar 
with whatever have been discussed or will be discussed.
         Thanks,
Warm Regards
//John zhao


2012/12/8 Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com <mailto:bclaise@cisco.com>>

    Hi,

    Please let me know why you believe you should be an AAA doctor.

    Regards, Benoit


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    Date: 	Fri, 07 Dec 2012 02:38:31 -0800
    From: 	aaa-doctors-owner@ietf.org <mailto:aaa-doctors-owner@ietf.org>
    To: 	aaa-doctors-owner@ietf.org <mailto:aaa-doctors-owner@ietf.org>



    Your authorization is required for a mailing list subscription request
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    Hi AAA doctors,<br>
    <br>
    Should John zhao be an AAA doctor?<br>
    Below is his justification.<br>
    Note: I joined the AAA list around February, and he has not been a
    single email since that time<br>
    <br>
    Regards, Benoit<br>
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            <td>Sun, 9 Dec 2012 12:33:24 +0800</td>
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            <td>john.zhao <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:yuankui.zhao@gmail.com">&lt;yuankui.zhao@gmail.com&gt;</a></td>
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            <th nowrap="nowrap" valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT">To: </th>
            <td>Benoit Claise <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bclaise@cisco.com">&lt;bclaise@cisco.com&gt;</a></td>
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      <div>Dear Benoit,</div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
      <div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Firstly, I've the experience on the access network
        design about Ethernet, PON, Wi-Fi, Wimax etc. </div>
      <div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Secondly, I've ever designed AAA related protocols
        and products for managing of LTE/xDSL/PON etc devices.</div>
      <div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Finally, I've ever invovled in AAA doctor loop. I'm
        familiar with whatever have been discussed or will be discussed.</div>
      <div>&nbsp;</div>
      <div>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks,</div>
      <div>Warm Regards</div>
      <div>//John zhao</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2012/12/8 Benoit Claise <span
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi,<br>
              <br>
              Please let me know why you believe you should be an AAA
              doctor.<br>
              <br>
              Regards, Benoit<br>
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                        align="RIGHT">To: </th>
                      <td><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:aaa-doctors-owner@ietf.org"
                          target="_blank">aaa-doctors-owner@ietf.org</a></td>
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                <pre>Your authorization is required for a mailing list subscription request
approval:

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At your convenience, visit:

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On 12/10/2012 03:00 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:

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On 12/10/2012 02:56 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:
> AAA doctors,
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> Here is a new draft version.
> Let us know if your points have been addressed.

There are still a whole bunch of English language usage errors, too many 
to be acceptable, IMHO.  My biggest question, though, is who or what is 
being authenticated & how in Section 3.  What value is sent in the 
User-Password or CHAP-Password (one of which is required by RFC 2865)?  
Or is EAP being used?  AFAICT, the only data available to the RADIUS 
client is what came in the DHCPDISCOVER packet, so how does that map to 
User-Name & credentials?

>
> Regards, Benoit
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>> Hi AAA doctors,
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On 12/11/2012 01:55 PM, Sheng Jiang wrote:
>> My biggest question,  though, is who or what is being authenticated
 >> & how in Section 3. What value is sent in the User-Password or
 >> CHAP-Password (one of which is required by RFC 2865)? Or is EAP
 >> being used? AFAICT, the only data available to the RADIUS client
 >> is what came in the DHCPDISCOVER packet, so how does that map to
 >> User-Name & credentials?
 >
 > Hi, Glen,
 >
 > The only reason we did not define this is because it is "normal
 > authentication", not 6rd specific. The detailed can be found in RFC
 > 4014 "Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service (RADIUS) Attributes
 > Suboption for the Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) Relay
 > Agent Information Option". We will add this into reference.

  1. RFC 4014 describes a suboption of the DHCP Relay Agent Information 
Option but I can't find any mention of a relay agent in your draft.
  2. I don't really understand what you mean by "normal" 
authentication.  The RADIUS Attributes Suboption was apparently designed 
to carry RADIUS attributes (populated from an IEEE 802.1X exchange) from 
a relay agent to a DHCP server.  Are you assuming that 802.1X will be 
used for user authentication?  RFC 5969 doesn't mention .1X, nor does 
your draft.

...


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On 12/11/2012 03:29 PM, Sheng Jiang wrote:
>>>> My biggest  question, though, is who or what is being
 >>>> authenticated & how in Section 3. What value is sent in the
 >>>> User-Password or CHAP-Password (one of which is required by RFC
 >>>> 2865)? Or is EAP being used? AFAICT, the only data available to
 >>>> the RADIUS client is what came in the DHCPDISCOVER packet, so
 >>>> how does that map to User-Name & credentials?
 >>>
 >>> Hi, Glen,
 >>>
 >>> The only reason we did not define this is because it is "normal
 >>> authentication", not 6rd specific. The detailed can be found in
 >>> RFC 4014 "Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service (RADIUS)
 >>> Attributes Suboption for the Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol
 >>> (DHCP) Relay Agent Information Option". We will add this into
 >>> reference.
 >>
 >> 1. RFC 4014 describes a suboption of the DHCP Relay Agent
 >> Information Option but I can't find any mention of a relay agent in
 >> your draft.
 >
 > Hi, Glen,
 >
 > Thanks so much for your reply. Now I understand your question.
 >
 > You are right, we should define more detail BNG behavior in the
 > authentication procedure.
 >
 > Could the below new text address your question?

Closer, but there is still the matter of credentials: what value is in 
the User-Password (or equivalent) Attribute?

>
 >
 > New:
 >
 > When the BNG receives the DHCPDISCOVER, it initiates a Radius
 > Access-Request message, in which the User-Name attribute is filled by
 > 6rd CE MAC address, to the Radius server, requesting authentication
 > as defined in [RFC2865] and IPv6-6rd-Configuration attribute, in the
 > desired attribute list.
 >
 > Best regards,
 >
 > Sheng
 >
 >> 2. I don't really understand what you mean by "normal"
 >> authentication. The RADIUS Attributes Suboption was apparently
 >> designed to carry RADIUS attributes (populated from an IEEE 802.1X
 >> exchange) from a relay agent to a DHCP server. Are you assuming
 >> that 802.1X will be used for user authentication? RFC 5969 doesn't
 >> mention .1X, nor does your draft.
 >>
 >> ...
 >



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Bernard, All,

Like you, I want to close this errata, but I need a confirmation:
>
Do you confirm that IANA needs to be changed the following way?

http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-14 

OLD
Registration Procedures
     IETF Consensus
Reference
     [RFC2868]

NEW
Registration Procedures
     Designated Expert
Reference
     [RFC3575]


http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-15 

OLD
Registration Procedures
     IETF Consensus
Reference
     [RFC2868]

NEW
Registration Procedures
     Designated Expert
Reference
     [RFC3575]

Do I miss anything?

Regards, Benoit
>> On 12/04/2012 06:34 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:
>>
>>> Glen,
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> So the plan of action is: 1. update the errata with the
>> >>> background information. 2. double-check the proposed resolution
>> >>> with the AAA doctors. This email thread. Glen, does this
>> >>> background information change your point of view?
>> >>
>> >> Not at all; in fact, it supports my assertion. The quote from RFC
>> >> 3575 above says that "Certain attributes (for example,
>> >> NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a list of values to correspond with
>> >> various meanings. There can be 4 billion (2^32) values for each
>> >> attribute." However, both the Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type
>> >> Attributes are 3 octets in length, giving a range of 2^24 values
>> >> for each. If you want to update 3575 so that it applies, that's
>> >> fine, but right now it doesn't. Furthermore, the IANA allocation
>> >> policy specified in RFC 2868 was chosen carefully, after
>> >> considerable deliberation, to dissuade people from populating the
>> >> table with "flavor of the month" values; loosening the policy seems
>> >> purposeless at best. Do we really have nothing better to do?
>> > The discussion, as I understand it, is about "IETF consensus" versus
>> > "Designated Expert" From RFC 2868
>>
>> Oh, I see!  Silly me, I had thought that the discussion was about 
>> whether there had been an oversight or, you know, an actual /error/ 
>> made in RFC 3575 that would make an erratum necessary.  I made the 
>> case that this was not correct, because 3575 and 2868 are talking 
>> about different RADIUS data types (at least according to RFC 6158). 
>> However, if the discussion is about "IETF Consensus" versus 
>> "Designated Expert" then I can't imagine that anyone on the planet 
>> actually cares -- certainly not I.
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
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On 12/11/2012 04:15 PM, Sheng Jiang wrote:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Glen Zorn [mailto:glenzorn@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 5:03 PM
>> To: Sheng Jiang
>> Cc: Glen Zorn; Benoit Claise; aaa-doctors@ietf.org;
>> draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org; Ralph Droms
>> Subject: Re: [AAA-DOCTORS] Fwd: New Version Notification -
>> draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08.txt
>>
>> On 12/11/2012 03:29 PM, Sheng Jiang wrote:
>>>>>> My biggest  question, though, is who or what is being
>>>>>> authenticated & how in Section 3. What value is sent in the
>>>>>> User-Password or CHAP-Password (one of which is required by RFC
>>>>>> 2865)? Or is EAP being used? AFAICT, the only data available to
>>>>>> the RADIUS client is what came in the DHCPDISCOVER packet, so
>>>>>> how does that map to User-Name & credentials?
>>>>> Hi, Glen,
>>>>>
>>>>> The only reason we did not define this is because it is "normal
>>>>> authentication", not 6rd specific. The detailed can be found in
>>>>> RFC 4014 "Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service (RADIUS)
>>>>> Attributes Suboption for the Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol
>>>>> (DHCP) Relay Agent Information Option". We will add this into
>>>>> reference.
>>>> 1. RFC 4014 describes a suboption of the DHCP Relay Agent
>>>> Information Option but I can't find any mention of a relay agent in
>>>> your draft.
>>> Hi, Glen,
>>>
>>> Thanks so much for your reply. Now I understand your question.
>>>
>>> You are right, we should define more detail BNG behavior in the
>>> authentication procedure.
>>>
>>> Could the below new text address your question?
>> Closer, but there is still the matter of credentials: what value is in
>> the User-Password (or equivalent) Attribute?
> My guess is the user-password could be the same along different users. So, it could be pre-configured in DHCP server. So, the below is new refined text:
>
> When the BNG receives the DHCPDISCOVER, it initiates a Radius Access-Request message, in which the User-Name attribute is filled by the 6rd CE MAC address to the Radius server and the User-password attribute is filled by the shared 6rd password that has been preconfigured on the DHCP server, requesting authentication as defined in [RFC2865] and IPv6-6rd-Configuration attribute, defined in the next Section, in the desired attribute list.

OK, from your draft and this conversation, it appears to me that what yo 
really want to do is send an Access-Request message containing a 
Service-Type Attribute containing the value 10 (Call Check) and an 
instance of the IPv6-6rd-Configuration Attribute as a hint.  I believe 
that does what you want & it doesn't break any RADIUS rules of which I 
am aware.  I'm not sure if the User-Password Attribute is required in 
this case -- probably shouldn't be.  Just do that in every case i.e., 
delete the second scenario altogether. Very simple.

>
> Many thanks and best regards,
>
> Sheng
>
>>>
>>> New:
>>>
>>> When the BNG receives the DHCPDISCOVER, it initiates a Radius
>>> Access-Request message, in which the User-Name attribute is filled by
>>> 6rd CE MAC address, to the Radius server, requesting authentication
>>> as defined in [RFC2865] and IPv6-6rd-Configuration attribute, in the
>>> desired attribute list.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Sheng
>>>
>>>> 2. I don't really understand what you mean by "normal"
>>>> authentication. The RADIUS Attributes Suboption was apparently
>>>> designed to carry RADIUS attributes (populated from an IEEE 802.1X
>>>> exchange) from a relay agent to a DHCP server. Are you assuming
>>>> that 802.1X will be used for user authentication? RFC 5969 doesn't
>>>> mention .1X, nor does your draft.
>>>>
>>>> ...


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On 12/11/2012 05:02 PM, Sheng Jiang wrote:

>>>> From: Glen Zorn  [mailto:glenzorn@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday,
 >>>> December 11, 2012 5:03 PM To: Sheng Jiang Cc: Glen Zorn; Benoit
 >>>> Claise; aaa-doctors@ietf.org;
 >>>> draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org; Ralph
 >>>> Droms Subject: Re: [AAA-DOCTORS] Fwd: New Version Notification
 >>>> - draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08.txt
 >>>>
 >>>> On 12/11/2012 03:29 PM, Sheng Jiang wrote:
 >>>>>>>> My biggest question, though, is who or what is being
 >>>>>>>> authenticated & how in Section 3. What value is sent in
 >>>>>>>> the User-Password or CHAP-Password (one of which is
 >>>>>>>> required by RFC 2865)? Or is EAP being used? AFAICT,
 >>>>>>>> the only data available to the RADIUS client is what
 >>>>>>>> came in the DHCPDISCOVER packet, so how does that map
 >>>>>>>> to User-Name & credentials?
 >>>>>>> Hi, Glen,
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>> The only reason we did not define this is because it is
 >>>>>>> "normal authentication", not 6rd specific. The detailed
 >>>>>>> can be found in RFC 4014 "Remote Authentication Dial-In
 >>>>>>> User Service (RADIUS) Attributes Suboption for the
 >>>>>>> Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) Relay Agent
 >>>>>>> Information Option". We will add this into reference.
 >>>>>> 1. RFC 4014 describes a suboption of the DHCP Relay Agent
 >>>>>> Information Option but I can't find any mention of a relay
 >>>>>> agent in your draft.
 >>>>> Hi, Glen,
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Thanks so much for your reply. Now I understand your
 >>>>> question.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> You are right, we should define more detail BNG behavior in
 >>>>> the authentication procedure.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Could the below new text address your question?
 >>>> Closer, but there is still the matter of credentials: what
 >>>> value is in the User-Password (or equivalent) Attribute?
 >>> My guess is the user-password could be the same along different
 >>> users. So,
 >> it could be pre-configured in DHCP server. So, the below is new
 >> refined text:
 >>>
 >>> When the BNG receives the DHCPDISCOVER, it initiates a Radius
 >> Access-Request message, in which the User-Name attribute is filled
 >> by the 6rd CE MAC address to the Radius server and the
 >> User-password attribute is filled by the shared 6rd password that
 >> has been preconfigured on the DHCP server, requesting
 >> authentication as defined in [RFC2865] and IPv6-6rd-Configuration
 >> attribute, defined in the next Section, in the desired attribute
 >> list.
 >>
 >> OK, from your draft and this conversation, it appears to me that
 >> what yo really want to do is send an Access-Request message
 >> containing a Service-Type Attribute containing the value 10 (Call
 >> Check) and an instance of the IPv6-6rd-Configuration Attribute as a
 >> hint. I believe that does what you want & it doesn't break any
 >> RADIUS rules of which I am aware. I'm not sure if the
 >> User-Password Attribute is required in this case -- probably
 >> shouldn't be. Just do that in every case i.e., delete the second
 >> scenario altogether. Very simple.
 >
 > Hi, Glen,
 >
 > That's what we had in 07 version as quoted below. But get DISCUSS
 > from Security AD.
 >
 > 07 version, "the Access-Request packet contains a Service-Type
 > attribute with the value Call-Check (10)."
 >
 > DISCUSS from Sec AD:
 >
 > 3. A RADIUS message used for call-check does not contain any
 > information that would authenticate the request and is therefore
 > susceptible to forgery. Therefore, RADIUS messages using the 6rd
 > attribute MUST include a message-authenticator attribute or another
 > attribute that is capable of authenticating the RAIDUS packet.
 >
 > The "Call Check" Service-Type was designed for situations where
 > authorization can be determined via the Called-Station-Id or
 > Calling-Station-Id attributes, which originally contained telephone
 > numbers. In RFC 3580, Called/Calling-Station-Id could also contain a
 > MAC address, but the principle was similar -- an unique
 > (non-authenticated) identifier which could be used to determine
 > whether a call was authorized.
 >
 > However, this draft does not say anything about use of the
 > Calling-Station-Id or Called-Station-Id attributes, or the value of
 > the User-Name attribute. Given that, the use of Service-Type = "Call
 > Check" would not seem to apply.
 >
 > 4. Is it possible that the BNG was involved in a previous
 > transaction with the AAA server to authenticate a user? If this is
 > the case then the BNG may have received a state attribute in the
 > access-accept message. Returning this state attribute to the AAA
 > server allows the AAA server to link the 6rd request with the
 > original authentication transaction. If this is a possible scenario
 > the document should specify this since state attributes are not
 > typically used with the call-check service. Also, if it is the case
 > that there could have been a related previous authentication session
 > it seems that it should be possible to include this attribute in an
 > access-request as part of the authentication exchange.
 >
 > When DHCP information is retrieved along with user authentication why
 > is either Authorize-Only or Call Check needed?

AFACT, no meaningful authentication of anything or anybody is produced 
by your draft as it is.

>
 > Maybe I misunderstood the question from SEC AD?

I believe that he was telling you to include  the MAC address of the 
client in the Calling-Station-ID & User-Name attributes  in the request, 
along with an instance of the Message-Authenticator attribute.  Read 
Section 5.6 of RFC 2865.

>
 >
 > Best regards,
 >
 > Sheng
 >
 >>>
 >>> Many thanks and best regards,
 >>>
 >>> Sheng
 >>>
 >>>>>
 >>>>> New:
 >>>>>
 >>>>> When the BNG receives the DHCPDISCOVER, it initiates a
 >>>>> Radius Access-Request message, in which the User-Name
 >>>>> attribute is filled by 6rd CE MAC address, to the Radius
 >>>>> server, requesting authentication as defined in [RFC2865] and
 >>>>> IPv6-6rd-Configuration attribute, in the desired attribute
 >>>>> list.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Best regards,
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Sheng
 >>>>>
 >>>>>> 2. I don't really understand what you mean by "normal"
 >>>>>> authentication. The RADIUS Attributes Suboption was
 >>>>>> apparently designed to carry RADIUS attributes (populated
 >>>>>> from an IEEE 802.1X exchange) from a relay agent to a DHCP
 >>>>>> server. Are you assuming that 802.1X will be used for user
 >>>>>> authentication? RFC 5969 doesn't mention .1X, nor does your
 >>>>>> draft.
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> ...
 >


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I don't see any text about message-authenticator.    The requests are unaut=
henticated if this attribute is not present.  I suppose you could require I=
PSEC instead, but you probably don't want to do that.

Joe
On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com<mailto:bclais=
e@cisco.com>> wrote:

AAA doctors,

Here is a new draft version.
Let us know if your points have been addressed.

Regards, Benoit


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g>, draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-=
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A new version (-08) has been submitted for draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-a=
ttrib:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-0=
8.txt

Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed


The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib/

Diff from previous version:
http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08

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Here is a new draft version.<br>
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<td>New Version Notification - draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08.txt=
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<td><a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:internet-drafts@ie=
tf.org">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a></td>
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<th nowrap=3D"nowrap" valign=3D"BASELINE" align=3D"RIGHT">To: </th>
<td><a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:softwire-chairs@to=
ols.ietf.org">softwire-chairs@tools.ietf.org</a>,
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-softwire-6r=
d-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org">
draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org</a>, <a class=3D"moz-t=
xt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:rdroms.ietf@gmail.com">
rdroms.ietf@gmail.com</a>, <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"ma=
ilto:adrian@olddog.co.uk">
adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>, <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mail=
to:bclaise@cisco.com">
bclaise@cisco.com</a>, <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto=
:turners@ieca.com">
turners@ieca.com</a></td>
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<pre>A new version (-08) has been submitted for draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-rad=
ius-attrib:
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/internet-dra=
fts/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08.txt">http://www.ietf.org/inter=
net-drafts/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08.txt</a>

Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed


The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is:
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc=
/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d=
raft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib/</a>

Diff from previous version:
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=
=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08">http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?ur=
l2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08</a>

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On 12/12/2012 09:00 AM, Sheng Jiang wrote:

> Hi, Glen,
>
> My understanding now is either "call-check" in 07 version or packet flow in 08 version can work as long as we clearly define that 6rd CE MAC address should be filled in the Access-Request. Am I right?

At this point I don't know if these guys are stupid or just lazy, but 
I'm getting awfully tired of dealing with it...somebody else want to 
give it a try?

>
> Best regards,
>
> Sheng
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Glen Zorn [mailto:glenzorn@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 5:50 PM
>> To: Sheng Jiang
>> Cc: Glen Zorn; Benoit Claise; aaa-doctors@ietf.org;
>> draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org; Ralph Droms
>> Subject: Re: [AAA-DOCTORS] Fwd: New Version Notification -
>> draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08.txt
>>
>> On 12/11/2012 04:15 PM, Sheng Jiang wrote:
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Glen Zorn [mailto:glenzorn@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 5:03 PM
>>>> To: Sheng Jiang
>>>> Cc: Glen Zorn; Benoit Claise; aaa-doctors@ietf.org;
>>>> draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org; Ralph Droms
>>>> Subject: Re: [AAA-DOCTORS] Fwd: New Version Notification -
>>>> draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08.txt
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/2012 03:29 PM, Sheng Jiang wrote:
>>>>>>>> My biggest  question, though, is who or what is being
>>>>>>>> authenticated & how in Section 3. What value is sent in the
>>>>>>>> User-Password or CHAP-Password (one of which is required by RFC
>>>>>>>> 2865)? Or is EAP being used? AFAICT, the only data available to
>>>>>>>> the RADIUS client is what came in the DHCPDISCOVER packet, so
>>>>>>>> how does that map to User-Name & credentials?
>>>>>>> Hi, Glen,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only reason we did not define this is because it is "normal
>>>>>>> authentication", not 6rd specific. The detailed can be found in
>>>>>>> RFC 4014 "Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service (RADIUS)
>>>>>>> Attributes Suboption for the Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol
>>>>>>> (DHCP) Relay Agent Information Option". We will add this into
>>>>>>> reference.
>>>>>> 1. RFC 4014 describes a suboption of the DHCP Relay Agent
>>>>>> Information Option but I can't find any mention of a relay agent in
>>>>>> your draft.
>>>>> Hi, Glen,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks so much for your reply. Now I understand your question.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are right, we should define more detail BNG behavior in the
>>>>> authentication procedure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could the below new text address your question?
>>>> Closer, but there is still the matter of credentials: what value is in
>>>> the User-Password (or equivalent) Attribute?
>>> My guess is the user-password could be the same along different users. So,
>> it could be pre-configured in DHCP server. So, the below is new refined text:
>>> When the BNG receives the DHCPDISCOVER, it initiates a Radius
>> Access-Request message, in which the User-Name attribute is filled by the 6rd
>> CE MAC address to the Radius server and the User-password attribute is filled
>> by the shared 6rd password that has been preconfigured on the DHCP server,
>> requesting authentication as defined in [RFC2865] and IPv6-6rd-Configuration
>> attribute, defined in the next Section, in the desired attribute list.
>>
>> OK, from your draft and this conversation, it appears to me that what yo
>> really want to do is send an Access-Request message containing a
>> Service-Type Attribute containing the value 10 (Call Check) and an
>> instance of the IPv6-6rd-Configuration Attribute as a hint.  I believe
>> that does what you want & it doesn't break any RADIUS rules of which I
>> am aware.  I'm not sure if the User-Password Attribute is required in
>> this case -- probably shouldn't be.  Just do that in every case i.e.,
>> delete the second scenario altogether. Very simple.
>>
>>> Many thanks and best regards,
>>>
>>> Sheng
>>>
>>>>> New:
>>>>>
>>>>> When the BNG receives the DHCPDISCOVER, it initiates a Radius
>>>>> Access-Request message, in which the User-Name attribute is filled by
>>>>> 6rd CE MAC address, to the Radius server, requesting authentication
>>>>> as defined in [RFC2865] and IPv6-6rd-Configuration attribute, in the
>>>>> desired attribute list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sheng
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. I don't really understand what you mean by "normal"
>>>>>> authentication. The RADIUS Attributes Suboption was apparently
>>>>>> designed to carry RADIUS attributes (populated from an IEEE 802.1X
>>>>>> exchange) from a relay agent to a DHCP server. Are you assuming
>>>>>> that 802.1X will be used for user authentication? RFC 5969 doesn't
>>>>>> mention .1X, nor does your draft.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...


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On Dec 11, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Sheng Jiang <jiangsheng@huawei.com<mailto:jian=
gsheng@huawei.com>>
 wrote:

Hi, Joe,

While we can of course add some text to include message-authenticator. I st=
ill don=92t understand why the message MUST be authenticated. As we analyze=
d in security consideration, =93both BNG and AAA server are within a provid=
er network, which can be considered as a close and less security threat env=
ironment=94. Could you help me to understand by giving some detailed reason=
?


[Joe]  Today all networks are pretty much hostile. Distances on a network a=
re not what they seem, an attacker is usually closer to you on the network =
than you think.


Many thanks and best regards,

Sheng

From: Joseph Salowey (jsalowey) [mailto:jsalowey@cisco.com<http://cisco.com=
>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:53 PM
To: Benoit Claise (bclaise)
Cc: aaa-doctors@ietf.org<mailto:aaa-doctors@ietf.org>; <draft-ietf-softwire=
-6rd-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-att=
rib@tools.ietf.org>>; Ralph Droms (rdroms)
Subject: Re: [AAA-DOCTORS] New Version Notification - draft-ietf-softwire-6=
rd-radius-attrib-08.txt

I don't see any text about message-authenticator.    The requests are unaut=
henticated if this attribute is not present.  I suppose you could require I=
PSEC instead, but you probably don't want to do that.

Joe
On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com<mailto:bclais=
e@cisco.com>> wrote:


AAA doctors,

Here is a new draft version.
Let us know if your points have been addressed.

Regards, Benoit


-------- Original Message --------
Subject:

New Version Notification - draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08.txt

Date:

Sun, 09 Dec 2012 23:15:03 -0800

From:

internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>

To:

softwire-chairs@tools.ietf.org<mailto:softwire-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, draf=
t-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-softwire=
-6rd-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org>, rdroms.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:rdroms.iet=
f@gmail.com>, adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>, bclaise@cisc=
o.com<mailto:bclaise@cisco.com>, turners@ieca.com<mailto:turners@ieca.com>



A new version (-08) has been submitted for draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-a=
ttrib:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-0=
8.txt



Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed





The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib/



Diff from previous version:

http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08



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<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans=
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include message-authenticator. I still don=92t understand why the message M=
UST be authenticated. As we analyzed in
 security consideration, =93both BNG and AAA server are within a provider n=
etwork, which can be considered as a close and less security threat environ=
ment=94. Could you help me to understand by giving some detailed reason?<o:=
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<div>[Joe] &nbsp;Today all networks are pretty much hostile. Distances on a=
 network are not what they seem, an attacker is usually closer to you on th=
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ecember 12, 2012 12:53 PM<br>
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(bclaise)<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mai=
lto:aaa-doctors@ietf.org">aaa-doctors@ietf.org</a>; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:d=
raft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-softwire-6r=
d-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;; Ralph Droms
 (rdroms)<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [AAA-=
DOCTORS] New Version Notification - draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-0=
8.txt<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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s New Roman', serif; ">
<span lang=3D"EN-US">I don't see any text about message-authenticator. &nbs=
p; &nbsp;The requests are unauthenticated if this attribute is not present.=
 &nbsp;I suppose you could require IPSEC instead, but you probably don't wa=
nt to do that. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang=3D"EN-US">Joe<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang=3D"EN-US">On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Benoit Claise &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:bclaise@cisco.com" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: unde=
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<span lang=3D"EN-US">AAA doctors,<br>
<br>
Here is a new draft version.<br>
Let us know if your points have been addressed.<br>
<br>
Regards, Benoit<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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ier New'; "><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/internet-dr=
afts/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08.txt" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iet=
f-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08.txt</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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ier New'; "><span lang=3D"EN-US">Sub state has been changed to AD Followup =
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On Dec 11, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Sheng Jiang <jiangsheng@huawei.com<mailto:jian=
gsheng@huawei.com>>
 wrote:

Hi, Joe,

Do you actually mean the hint what/who is being authenticated by Message-Au=
thenticator? Or the Message-Authenticator (type 80) defined in 2869.


[Joe] Message-authenticator (type 80) to authenticate the AAA client to the=
 AAA server.

If it is the former, according to yesterday=92s discussion on AAA-doctor li=
st, we will add 6rd CE MAC address in next update.

If it is the latter, we need some more detailed reason why it is necessary =
to define it.

Many thanks and best regards,

Sheng

From: Joseph Salowey (jsalowey) [mailto:jsalowey@cisco.com<http://cisco.com=
>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:53 PM
To: Benoit Claise (bclaise)
Cc: aaa-doctors@ietf.org<mailto:aaa-doctors@ietf.org>; <draft-ietf-softwire=
-6rd-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-att=
rib@tools.ietf.org>>; Ralph Droms (rdroms)
Subject: Re: [AAA-DOCTORS] New Version Notification - draft-ietf-softwire-6=
rd-radius-attrib-08.txt

I don't see any text about message-authenticator.    The requests are unaut=
henticated if this attribute is not present.  I suppose you could require I=
PSEC instead, but you probably don't want to do that.

Joe
On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com<mailto:bclais=
e@cisco.com>> wrote:


AAA doctors,

Here is a new draft version.
Let us know if your points have been addressed.

Regards, Benoit


-------- Original Message --------
Subject:

New Version Notification - draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08.txt

Date:

Sun, 09 Dec 2012 23:15:03 -0800

From:

internet-drafts@ietf.org<mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org>

To:

softwire-chairs@tools.ietf.org<mailto:softwire-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, draf=
t-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-softwire=
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A new version (-08) has been submitted for draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-a=
ttrib:

http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-0=
8.txt



Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed





The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib/



Diff from previous version:

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<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans=
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s New Roman', serif; ">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans=
-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Do you actually mean the hint what/who i=
s being authenticated by Message-Authenticator? Or the Message-Authenticato=
r (type 80) defined in 2869.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div>[Joe] Message-authenticator (type 80) to authenticate the AAA client t=
o the AAA server.&nbsp;</div>
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<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans=
-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">If it is the former, according to yester=
day=92s discussion on AAA-doctor list, we will add 6rd CE MAC address in ne=
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<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans=
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<b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans=
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nt-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbs=
p;</span>Joseph Salowey (jsalowey) [mailto:jsalowey@<a href=3D"http://cisco=
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ecember 12, 2012 12:53 PM<br>
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(bclaise)<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mai=
lto:aaa-doctors@ietf.org">aaa-doctors@ietf.org</a>; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:d=
raft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf-softwire-6r=
d-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org</a>&gt;; Ralph Droms
 (rdroms)<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Re: [AAA-=
DOCTORS] New Version Notification - draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-0=
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<span lang=3D"EN-US">I don't see any text about message-authenticator. &nbs=
p; &nbsp;The requests are unauthenticated if this attribute is not present.=
 &nbsp;I suppose you could require IPSEC instead, but you probably don't wa=
nt to do that. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang=3D"EN-US">On Dec 9, 2012, at 11:56 PM, Benoit Claise &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:bclaise@cisco.com" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: unde=
rline; ">bclaise@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang=3D"EN-US">AAA doctors,<br>
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Here is a new draft version.<br>
Let us know if your points have been addressed.<br>
<br>
Regards, Benoit<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<span lang=3D"EN-US">New Version Notification - draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-rad=
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olor: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">internet-drafts@ietf.org</a><o:=
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e=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">softwire-chairs@tools.iet=
f.org</a>,<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mai=
lto:draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib@tools.ietf.org" style=3D"color: p=
urple; text-decoration: underline; ">draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib@=
tools.ietf.org</a>,<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:rdroms.ietf@gmail.com" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration=
: underline; ">rdroms.ietf@gmail.com</a>,<span class=3D"Apple-converted-spa=
ce">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk" style=3D"color: pur=
ple; text-decoration: underline; ">adrian@olddog.co.uk</a>,<span class=3D"A=
pple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mailto:bclaise@cisco.com" sty=
le=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">bclaise@cisco.com</a>,<s=
pan class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"mailto:turners@=
ieca.com" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">turners@iec=
a.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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ier New'; "><span lang=3D"EN-US">A new version (-08) has been submitted for=
 draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Cour=
ier New'; "><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/internet-dr=
afts/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08.txt" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iet=
f-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08.txt</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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ier New'; "><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Cour=
ier New'; "><span lang=3D"EN-US">Sub state has been changed to AD Followup =
from Revised ID Needed<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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ier New'; "><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></pre>
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ier New'; "><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Cour=
ier New'; "><span lang=3D"EN-US">The IETF datatracker page for this Interne=
t-Draft is:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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ier New'; "><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/do=
c/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib/" style=3D"color: purple; text-deco=
ration: underline; ">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-6=
rd-radius-attrib/</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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ier New'; "><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></pre>
<pre style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Cour=
ier New'; "><span lang=3D"EN-US">Diff from previous version:<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></pre>
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ier New'; "><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url=
2=3Ddraft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-08" style=3D"color: purple; text-=
decoration: underline; ">http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-soft=
wire-6rd-radius-attrib-08</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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ier New'; "><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></pre>
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Yes.

Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:

Bernard=2C All=2C

Like you=2C I want to close this errata=2C but I need a confirmation:
>
Do you confirm that IANA needs to be changed the following way?

http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-=
14

OLD
Registration Procedures
     IETF Consensus
Reference
     [RFC2868]

NEW
Registration Procedures
     Designated Expert
Reference
     [RFC3575]


http://www.iana.org/assignments/radius-types/radius-types.xml#radius-types-=
15

OLD
Registration Procedures
     IETF Consensus
Reference
     [RFC2868]

NEW
Registration Procedures
     Designated Expert
Reference
     [RFC3575]

Do I miss anything?

Regards=2C Benoit
>> On 12/04/2012 06:34 PM=2C Benoit Claise wrote:
>>
>>> Glen=2C
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> So the plan of action is: 1. update the errata with the
>> >>> background information. 2. double-check the proposed resolution
>> >>> with the AAA doctors. This email thread. Glen=2C does this
>> >>> background information change your point of view?
>> >>
>> >> Not at all=3B in fact=2C it supports my assertion. The quote from RFC
>> >> 3575 above says that "Certain attributes (for example=2C
>> >> NAS-Port-Type) in RADIUS define a list of values to correspond with
>> >> various meanings. There can be 4 billion (2^32) values for each
>> >> attribute." However=2C both the Tunnel-Type and Tunnel-Medium-Type
>> >> Attributes are 3 octets in length=2C giving a range of 2^24 values
>> >> for each. If you want to update 3575 so that it applies=2C that's
>> >> fine=2C but right now it doesn't. Furthermore=2C the IANA allocation
>> >> policy specified in RFC 2868 was chosen carefully=2C after
>> >> considerable deliberation=2C to dissuade people from populating the
>> >> table with "flavor of the month" values=3B loosening the policy seems
>> >> purposeless at best. Do we really have nothing better to do?
>> > The discussion=2C as I understand it=2C is about "IETF consensus" vers=
us
>> > "Designated Expert" From RFC 2868
>>
>> Oh=2C I see!  Silly me=2C I had thought that the discussion was about
>> whether there had been an oversight or=2C you know=2C an actual /error/
>> made in RFC 3575 that would make an erratum necessary.  I made the
>> case that this was not correct=2C because 3575 and 2868 are talking
>> about different RADIUS data types (at least according to RFC 6158).
>> However=2C if the discussion is about "IETF Consensus" versus
>> "Designated Expert" then I can't imagine that anyone on the planet
>> actually cares -- certainly not I.
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
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On 12/17/2012 09:33 AM, Sheng Jiang wrote:

> Hi, dear ADs,
 >
 > The discussion on AAA-doctors has gone to quite now. The below list
 > is all unsolved issues we have collected. We are planning to give an
 > update version late this week. We believe they are enough to solve
 > your DISCUSSes. If you have any more modification suggestions, please
 > reply to this email. We will solve them together.

Please post the new version so that we have a more reasonable basis for 
conversation.

>
 >
 > 1. A pointer to the 6rd RFC/draft that discusses how to secure the
 > CE<->BNG bit (i.e., DHCP), I believe, is warranted.
 >
 > 2. Clearly define that the 6rd CE MAC address should be filled in the
 > Access-Request as authentication hint.
 >
 > 3. Using Message-authenticator (type 80) [RFC2865] to protect both
 > Access-Request and Access-Accept messages.
 >
 > Best regards,
 >
 > Sheng


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Dear all,

Please find below the agenda of the December 20th  IESG telechat.
Please send your questions, comments and concerns before Dec 19 COB.

Thanks and Regards, Benoit


-------- Original Message --------

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Summarized Agenda for the 2012-12-20 IESG Teleconference

This agenda was generated at 2012-12-14 04:15:48 PST
Up-to-date web version of this agenda can be found at:
http://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/

2. Protocol Actions
2.1 WG Submissions
2.1.1 New Items

   o draft-ietf-sipclf-problem-statement-11
     The Common Log Format (CLF) for the Session Initiation Protocol
     (SIP): Framework and Data Model (Proposed Standard)
     Note: Peter Musgrave (musgravepj@gmail.com) is the document
     shepherd.
     Token: Robert Sparks

   o draft-ietf-sipclf-format-09
     Format for the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Common Log Format
     (CLF) (Proposed Standard)
     Note: Peter Musgrave (musgravepj@gmail.com) is the document
     shepherd.
     Token: Robert Sparks

   o draft-ietf-tcpm-experimental-options-03
     Shared Use of Experimental TCP Options (Proposed Standard)
     Note: Michael Scharf (michael.scharf@alcatel-lucent.com) is the
     document shepherd.
     Token: Wesley Eddy

   o draft-ietf-fecframe-simple-rs-05
     Simple Reed-Solomon Forward Error Correction (FEC) Scheme for
     FECFRAME (Proposed Standard)
     Note: Greg Shepherd (gjshep@gmail.com) is the document shepherd
     Token: Martin Stiemerling

   o draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-media-capabilities-16
     Session Description Protocol (SDP) Media Capabilities Negotiation
     (Proposed Standard)
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     Shepherd.
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   o draft-ietf-avt-rtp-evrc-nw-09
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   o draft-ietf-karp-routing-tcp-analysis-06
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AAA doctors,

A new version has been posted.
Let me know if your concerns are addressed?

Regards, Benoit
> A new version (-09) has been submitted for draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-09.txt
>
>
> The IETF datatracker page for this Internet-Draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib/
>
> Diff from previous version:
> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-softwire-6rd-radius-attrib-09
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On 12/19/2012 02:57 PM, Benoit Claise wrote:

> AAA doctors,
 >
 > A new version has been posted. Let me know if your concerns are
 > addressed?

I still have some questions & comments:

   * The format for the IPv6-6rd-Configuration Attribute appears to owe 
a great deal to the discussions in draft-ietf-radext-radius-extensions; 
shouldn't there be a reference to that document in this one?

   * It would seem that there are some security concerns with using a 
single "canned" password for all the clients but there is no mention of 
such.

   * Since there is basically no authentication of the DHCP clients done 
and MAC addresses are notoriously easy to spoof, it seems quite possible 
that the same MAC address could be used to request 6rd service from 
multiple different hosts and succeed.   Is that a problem?  If not, why 
not?  If so, how can the problem be ameliorated?

   * Section 3 says:

            After receiving the IPv6-6rd-Configuration Attribute in the 
initial
            Access-Accept, the BNG MUST store the received 6rd configuration
            parameters locally. When the 6rd CE sends a DHCP Request 
message to
            request an extension of the lifetime for the assigned 
address, the
            BNG does not have to initiate a new Access-Request towards 
the AAA
            server to request the 6rd configuration parameters. The BNG 
retrieves
            the previously stored 6rd configuration parameters and uses 
them in
            its reply.

     If this is the case, what is the purpose of Scenario 2?  Under what 
circumstances would an "Authorize-Only" message be sent?

   * There are still a number of English language usage and grammar 
problems.


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Glen Zorn wrote:
>   * The format for the IPv6-6rd-Configuration Attribute appears to owe a
> great deal to the discussions in draft-ietf-radext-radius-extensions;
> shouldn't there be a reference to that document in this one?

  I'm not sure that's necessary (though I don't object to it).  The TLV
format used in this document has been used in various vendor
dictionaries for a decade, and in other informational RFCs, IIRC.

>   * It would seem that there are some security concerns with using a
> single "canned" password for all the clients but there is no mention of
> such.

  I agree.  I'm unsure what else to say here.

  Many implementations of MAC address authentication in RADIUS use the
MAC address as both the User-Name and User-Password.  While not
standardized, it is wide-spread.

  This use of MAC address for User-Name conflicts with this.  The only
way to tell the two uses apart is the presence of the 6rd attribute.

  By the way... what is the recommended format of the MAC address in the
User-Name?  This document doesn't say.  I'd suggest the format specified
for use in Calling-Station-Id (RFC 3580 Section 3.20), but without the
SSID portion.

>   * Since there is basically no authentication of the DHCP clients done
> and MAC addresses are notoriously easy to spoof, it seems quite possible
> that the same MAC address could be used to request 6rd service from
> multiple different hosts and succeed.   Is that a problem?  If not, why
> not?  If so, how can the problem be ameliorated?

  I agree.  I'd suggest a secdir review.

  Alan DeKok.

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Sheng Jiang wrote:
> Some consideration can be added if you have any proposed text. For my understanding, this likes a normal communication between a Radius client (the DHCPv6 server) and a Radius server.

  Normal communications can still have security issues.

> The MAC address spoofing is possible. But I guess it is out of scope. This draft is mainly about 6rd configuration provision.

  Security considerations for a document are ALWAYS in scope.

  Alan DeKok.

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  I was just using the latest RFCs to update the dictionaries and
noticed some text in RFC 6572:

4.12.  PMIP6-Home-IPv4-HoA
...

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    0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
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   |     Type      |    Length     |     Reserved      |Prefix-Len |
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
   |                       Home IPv4 HoA                           |
   +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
...


  Section 4.13 has a similar attribute.  Neither one follows the RFC
6158 recommendation of using standard RADIUS data types.

  Do these attributes meet the "Complex Data Type Exceptions" standard
of RFC 6158, Section 3.2.4?  Or the checklist in Appendix A?

  Alan DeKok.

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