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FYI, I have sent the following question to the Kitten WG mailing list.

Regards,
Alejandro

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Asunto: 	[kitten] Use of GSS_Get_name_attribute() to obtain further 
attributes
Fecha: 	Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:25:03 +0200
De: 	Alejandro Perez Mendez <alex@um.es>
Para: 	kitten@ietf.org



Hi,

I have a question regarding the GSS-API Naming Extensions (RFC 6680). As 
the document is written, it seems to assume that the attributes of a 
name are locally stored and available in the GSS Acceptor at the very 
moment the GSS context is established. In this way, when the GSS 
Acceptor calls the GSS_Inquire_name(), it obtains the complete set of 
attributes of the name, and it must stick to them.

However, in relation with the work we are doing in 
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml-10, what I'd like 
is to allow the GSS Acceptor to request name attributes that might not 
be available at the moment the GSS context is established (i.e. not 
listed in the results of GSS_Inquire_name()), but that can be obtained 
by interacting with another entity afterwards (e.g. SAML IdP, LDAP 
server, SQL database...).

I see two approaches to achieve this:

1) Use the GSS_Get_name_attribute() call to request the desired 
attribute. By modifying the implementation of this call in the 
mechanism, instead of returning an error when the requested attribute is 
not available yet, the mechanism can get it from the source and return 
it. The main advantage of this approach is that it transparent from the 
point of view of the GSS Acceptor, that just uses the same call as it 
always does. Besides, it does not require anÃ‚  standardization effort, 
as it is solved in the implementation of each mechanism.

2) The second approach consists on defining a new GSS-API call: e.g. 
GSS_Request_name_attribute(). This call would allow the GSS acceptor to 
explicitly request an attribute that is not listed in the results of 
GSS_Inquire_name(). The advantage of this approach is that is does not 
modify the semantics or the code associated to the 
GSS_Get_name_attribute() call. However, it would require standardization 
effort to define such a new call.

In my opinion, approach 1) seems to offer a better solution. I don't see 
a reason by which a GSS Acceptor cannot call the 
GSS_Get_name_attribute() to obtain the value of a name attribute that 
does not appear in the results of GSS_Inquire_name(). This is something 
that can be handled by the mechanism (or the specific implementation of 
the mechanism).

However, before moving forward with any of these approaches, I wanted to 
receive some feedback from the GSS-API experts.

Regards,
Alejandro













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      Hi,<br>
      <br>
      I have a question regarding the GSS-API Naming Extensions (RFC
      6680). As the document is written, it seems to assume that the
      attributes of a name are locally stored and available in the GSS
      Acceptor at the very moment the GSS context is established. In
      this way, when the GSS Acceptor calls the
      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
      GSS_Inquire_name(), it obtains the complete set of attributes of
      the name, and it must stick to them.<br>
      <br>
      However, in relation with the work we are doing in <a
        moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
        href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml-10">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml-10</a>,
      what I'd like is to allow the GSS Acceptor to request name
      attributes that might not be available at the moment the GSS
      context is established (i.e. not listed in the results of
      GSS_Inquire_name()), but that can be obtained by interacting with
      another entity afterwards (e.g. SAML IdP, LDAP server, SQL
      database...). <br>
      <br>
      I see two approaches to achieve this:<br>
      <br>
      1) Use the GSS_Get_name_attribute() call to request the desired
      attribute. By modifying the implementation of this call in the
      mechanism, instead of returning an error when the requested
      attribute is not available yet, the mechanism can get it from the
      source and return it. The main advantage of this approach is that
      it transparent from the point of view of the GSS Acceptor, that
      just uses the same call as it always does. Besides, it does not
      require anÃ‚Â  standardization effort, as it is solved in the
      implementation of each mechanism. <br>
      <br>
      2) The second approach consists on defining a new GSS-API call:
      e.g. GSS_Request_name_attribute(). This call would allow the GSS
      acceptor to explicitly request an attribute that is not listed in
      the results of GSS_Inquire_name(). The advantage of this approach
      is that is does not modify the semantics or the code associated to
      the GSS_Get_name_attribute() call. However, it would require
      standardization effort to define such a new call. <br>
      <br>
      In my opinion, approach 1) seems to offer a better solution. I
      don't see a reason by which a GSS Acceptor cannot call the
      GSS_Get_name_attribute() to obtain the value of a name attribute
      that does not appear in the results of GSS_Inquire_name(). This is
      something that can be handled by the mechanism (or the specific
      implementation of the mechanism). <br>
      <br>
      However, before moving forward with any of these approaches, I
      wanted to receive some feedback from the GSS-API experts.<br>
      <br>
      Regards,<br>
      Alejandro<br>
      <br>
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Is there a need to meet? Can we do useful work to close out some stuff
with a f2f in Prague?


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Hi Leif,

we'd like  to move forward with draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml.txt. We are 
currently working on a new version that hopefully will be almost ready 
for LC.

Regards,
Alejandro

El 30/04/15 a las 17:38, Leif Johansson escribió:
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On 04/30/2015 05:41 PM, Alejandro Perez Mendez wrote:
> Hi Leif,
> 
> we'd like  to move forward with draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml.txt. We are
> currently working on a new version that hopefully will be almost ready
> for LC.

Before Prague?

> 
> Regards,
> Alejandro
> 
> El 30/04/15 a las 17:38, Leif Johansson escribió:
>> Is there a need to meet? Can we do useful work to close out some stuff
>> with a f2f in Prague?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Hi,

I will not be able to make Prague, but that doesn't have to stop you ;-)

Klaas

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> On 30 Apr 2015, at 17:47, Leif Johansson <leifj@sunet.se> wrote:
>=20
>> On 04/30/2015 05:41 PM, Alejandro Perez Mendez wrote:
>> Hi Leif,
>>=20
>> we'd like  to move forward with draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml.txt. We are
>> currently working on a new version that hopefully will be almost ready
>> for LC.
>=20
> Before Prague?
>=20
>>=20
>> Regards,
>> Alejandro
>>=20
>>> El 30/04/15 a las 17:38, Leif Johansson escribi=F3:
>>> Is there a need to meet? Can we do useful work to close out some stuff
>>> with a f2f in Prague?
>>>=20
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> abfab mailing list
>>> abfab@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/abfab
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El 30/04/15 a las 17:46, Leif Johansson escribió:
> On 04/30/2015 05:41 PM, Alejandro Perez Mendez wrote:
>> Hi Leif,
>>
>> we'd like  to move forward with draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml.txt. We are
>> currently working on a new version that hopefully will be almost ready
>> for LC.
> Before Prague?
Hi Leif,

It would depend on when we have the new version published, and how happy 
we are with its state. Having it before Prague would be great. Or we can 
discuss there the outstanding points, if any.

Regards,
Alejandro

>
>> Regards,
>> Alejandro
>>
>> El 30/04/15 a las 17:38, Leif Johansson escribió:
>>> Is there a need to meet? Can we do useful work to close out some stuff
>>> with a f2f in Prague?
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> abfab mailing list
>>> abfab@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/abfab
>> _______________________________________________
>> abfab mailing list
>> abfab@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/abfab
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> 30 apr 2015 kl. 11:57 skrev Alejandro Perez Mendez <alex@um.es>:
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> El 30/04/15 a las 17:46, Leif Johansson escribi=C3=B3:
>>> On 04/30/2015 05:41 PM, Alejandro Perez Mendez wrote:
>>> Hi Leif,
>>>=20
>>> we'd like  to move forward with draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml.txt. We are
>>> currently working on a new version that hopefully will be almost ready
>>> for LC.
>> Before Prague?
> Hi Leif,
>=20
> It would depend on when we have the new version published, and how happy w=
e are with its state. Having it before Prague would be great. Or we can disc=
uss there the outstanding points, if any.

I'd prefer before prague...


>=20
> Regards,
> Alejandro
>=20
>>=20
>>> Regards,
>>> Alejandro
>>>=20
>>>> El 30/04/15 a las 17:38, Leif Johansson escribi=C3=B3:
>>>> Is there a need to meet? Can we do useful work to close out some stuff
>>>> with a f2f in Prague?
>>>>=20
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> abfab mailing list
>>>> abfab@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/abfab
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>=20
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