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Hi,

In the discussion around the last call for draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml-12 it =
came to light that the category for the draft was unintentionally changed f=
rom Standards track to Informational. The authors want this to be corrected=
. This e-mail serves to ask if anyone in the WG objects to this change and =
consequently issuing a new LC.

Klaas


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No objection, I=92m supportive.

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> On 13 Dec 2015, at 13:08, Klaas Wierenga (kwiereng) =
<kwiereng@cisco.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> In the discussion around the last call for =
draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml-12 it came to light that the category for the =
draft was unintentionally changed from Standards track to Informational. =
The authors want this to be corrected. This e-mail serves to ask if =
anyone in the WG objects to this change and consequently issuing a new =
LC.
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> Klaas
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On 2015-12-13 21:33, Rhys Smith wrote:
> No objection, I’m supportive.
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  I support it.

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On 13/12/15 13:08, Klaas Wierenga (kwiereng) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> In the discussion around the last call for
> draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml-12 it came to light that the category for
> the draft was unintentionally changed from Standards track to
> Informational. The authors want this to be corrected. This e-mail
> serves to ask if anyone in the WG objects to this change and
> consequently issuing a new LC.

Ok, good enough. I've asked for the new LC to be started and
put this back to the Jan 7th telechat.

Please shoot out a revised I-D with just the change from
informational to proposed standard in the meantime if you can.

Cheers,
S.


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El 14/12/15 a las 10:28, Stephen Farrell escribió:
>
> On 13/12/15 13:08, Klaas Wierenga (kwiereng) wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> In the discussion around the last call for
>> draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml-12 it came to light that the category for
>> the draft was unintentionally changed from Standards track to
>> Informational. The authors want this to be corrected. This e-mail
>> serves to ask if anyone in the WG objects to this change and
>> consequently issuing a new LC.
> Ok, good enough. I've asked for the new LC to be started and
> put this back to the Jan 7th telechat.
>
> Please shoot out a revised I-D with just the change from
> informational to proposed standard in the meantime if you can.

Sure. Is it ok if I include some other minor changes derived from the 
Gen-Art review?

Regards,
Alejandro

>
> Cheers,
> S.
>
>
>> Klaas
>>
>>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Application Bridging for Federated Access Beyond web Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : A RADIUS Attribute, Binding, Profiles, Name Identifier Format, and Confirmation Methods for SAML
        Authors         : Josh Howlett
                          Sam Hartman
                          Alejandro Perez-Mendez
	Filename        : draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml-13.txt
	Pages           : 31
	Date            : 2015-12-14

Abstract:
   This document describes the use of the Security Assertion Mark-up
   Language (SAML) with RADIUS in the context of the ABFAB architecture.
   It defines two RADIUS attributes, a SAML binding, a SAML name
   identifier format, two SAML profiles, and two SAML confirmation
   methods.  The RADIUS attributes permit encapsulation of SAML
   assertions and protocol messages within RADIUS, allowing SAML
   entities to communicate using the binding.  The two profiles describe
   the application of this binding for ABFAB authentication and
   assertion query/request, enabling a Relying Party to request
   authentication of, or assertions for, users or machines (Clients).
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   Finally, the subject confirmation methods allow requests and queries
   to be issued for a previously authenticated user or machine without
   needing to explicitly identify them as the subject.  The use of the
   artifacts defined in this document is not exclusive to ABFAB.  They
   can be applied in any AAA scenario, such as the network access
   control.


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Dear all,

this new version of the draft should address the issues detected by 
Stephen (AD review), Klaas (write-up review), Roni (Gen-Art review) and 
Paul (secdir review). The Intended Status was reverted to "Standards 
Track", as agreed.

Regards,
Alejandro

El 14/12/15 a las 14:29, internet-drafts@ietf.org escribió:
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
>   This draft is a work item of the Application Bridging for Federated Access Beyond web Working Group of the IETF.
>
>          Title           : A RADIUS Attribute, Binding, Profiles, Name Identifier Format, and Confirmation Methods for SAML
>          Authors         : Josh Howlett
>                            Sam Hartman
>                            Alejandro Perez-Mendez
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml-13.txt
> 	Pages           : 31
> 	Date            : 2015-12-14
>
> Abstract:
>     This document describes the use of the Security Assertion Mark-up
>     Language (SAML) with RADIUS in the context of the ABFAB architecture.
>     It defines two RADIUS attributes, a SAML binding, a SAML name
>     identifier format, two SAML profiles, and two SAML confirmation
>     methods.  The RADIUS attributes permit encapsulation of SAML
>     assertions and protocol messages within RADIUS, allowing SAML
>     entities to communicate using the binding.  The two profiles describe
>     the application of this binding for ABFAB authentication and
>     assertion query/request, enabling a Relying Party to request
>     authentication of, or assertions for, users or machines (Clients).
>     These Clients may be named using a NAI name identifier format.
>     Finally, the subject confirmation methods allow requests and queries
>     to be issued for a previously authenticated user or machine without
>     needing to explicitly identify them as the subject.  The use of the
>     artifacts defined in this document is not exclusive to ABFAB.  They
>     can be applied in any AAA scenario, such as the network access
>     control.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml/
>
> There's also a htmlized version available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml-13
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml-13
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission
> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>
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The IESG has received a request from the Application Bridging for
Federated Access Beyond web WG (abfab) to consider the following
document:
- 'A RADIUS Attribute, Binding, Profiles, Name Identifier Format, and
   Confirmation Methods for SAML'
  <draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml-13.txt> as Proposed Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2015-12-28. Exceptionally, comments may be
sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the
beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.

Abstract


   This document describes the use of the Security Assertion Mark-up
   Language (SAML) with RADIUS in the context of the ABFAB architecture.
   It defines two RADIUS attributes, a SAML binding, a SAML name
   identifier format, two SAML profiles, and two SAML confirmation
   methods.  The RADIUS attributes permit encapsulation of SAML
   assertions and protocol messages within RADIUS, allowing SAML
   entities to communicate using the binding.  The two profiles describe
   the application of this binding for ABFAB authentication and
   assertion query/request, enabling a Relying Party to request
   authentication of, or assertions for, users or machines (Clients).
   These Clients may be named using a NAI name identifier format.
   Finally, the subject confirmation methods allow requests and queries
   to be issued for a previously authenticated user or machine without
   needing to explicitly identify them as the subject.  The use of the
   artifacts defined in this document is not exclusive to ABFAB.  They
   can be applied in any AAA scenario, such as the network access
   control.

This is a second last call. The previous one was for this as an 
informational RFC, but turns out that was an error so this repeats
the last call but for proposed standard. 

There is also a normative downref  to RFC6614 which is experimental.

The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-abfab-aaa-saml/ballot/


No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.


