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In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 28 Mar 96 15:02:23 PST."
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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 96 11:29:39 -0500
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Hi Randy,

>Depending on which version of SNMPv2 is in use, MMS is a property of
>	- the party to which the operation's response should be sent
>	- the transport over which the operation's repsonse should be sent
>	- a proposed MMS carried directly in the request

>In all of these cases, the MMS consequently may vary from request to
>request.  For this reason, a MMS as part of the OPEN exchange would
>be of questionable value.

What I'm referring to isn't the SNMP MMS.  It's an AgentX "max buffer size", for
want of a better term.  Sorry for the confusion.

>Determination of tooBig must occur on a request-by-request basis, 

I agree.  But I think the folks on the list are asking how to know
what a master agent's overall maximum AgentX message/buffer size can be, 
for transports where this notion is meaningful.

I'd like to avoid "negotiation" of this value, and simply have the
master agent state once what it is (where applicable).

Regards,
Mike



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Hi,

I imagine most members of this list already subscribe to
{The Simple Times} and will, therefore, have already seen
the current issue (vol 4, no 2)...  But just in case there
are some on the list who have not, that issue is dedicated
to agent extensibility, with five technical articles:

	- Intro			Bob Natale
	- Solution Space	Dale Francisco
	- Problem Space		Randy Presuhn
	- eSNMP			Mike Daniele
	- Proxy Alternative	Dave Bridgham

You can access this issue (and back issues) on the web via:

http://www.simple-times.org/pub/simple-times/issues

While all the substantive articles are very good, I am
hopeful that we can use Randy's as an additional tool
in helping us to reach closure and consensus on a
number of the remaining issues in the coming weeks.
The e-mail discussions have been very helpful thus far,
but we need to hone in on more closures to enable Mike
and Bert to proceed with the spec mods that Dale can
turn into a consistent, readable draft spec.

Cordially,

BobN
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Hi,

I need to know if there is any toolkit available, on Solaris, for
development of sub-agents to support some enterprise specific
MIBs ?

More importantly, does Solaris have an extensible agent ?

Awaiting replies and thanks in advance..
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Hello
Please contact SNMP Resarch.
 info@snmp.com
 http://www.snmp.com
 john@int.snmp.com
They have EMANATE for Solaris.
The EMANATE is extenshible agent system.
That include sub-agnet development KIT.

Thanks

/YMI

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   "sub-agent development on Solaris 2.4/2.5"
   "bflram@plutonium.bflsl.soft.net (Ramaprasad K.R.)" wrote.

bflram> Hi,
bflram> 
bflram> I need to know if there is any toolkit available, on Solaris, for
bflram> development of sub-agents to support some enterprise specific
bflram> MIBs ?
bflram> 
bflram> More importantly, does Solaris have an extensible agent ?
bflram> 
bflram> Awaiting replies and thanks in advance..
bflram> -- 
bflram> -regards
bflram> rampi
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>
>Hi,
>
>I need to know if there is any toolkit available, on Solaris, for
>development of sub-agents to support some enterprise specific
>MIBs ?
>
>More importantly, does Solaris have an extensible agent ?

  Empire's "Agent Builder(tm)" provides the source code and 
  libraries for a monolythic SNMP agent to which you can add 
  your own enterprise specific extensions.  The product also 
  includes the source code for the MIB-II method routines
  for Solaris 2.x.

  (I can provide you additional information off-line if you'd like).
>
>Awaiting replies and thanks in advance..

   Cheers,
	 Cheryl
>-- 
>-regards
>rampi
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Hi everyone,

I would like to announce the availability of the AgentX web site:

	http://www.scguild.com/agentx/

On behalf of the entire wg, thanks and kudos to David Keeney
(keeney@mv.mv.com) for arranging for the facilities, setting
up the site, and serving as Webmaster.

Check it out...especially the open issues section...while all
issues are shown as open right now, we've actually closed a
few sub-issues (and I will get their status colors changed),
and let's try to orient some discussions toward closing even
more of them.  One helpful tool for doing that may be Randy's
article in the April issue of {The Simple Times}...which
outlined (fairly succinctly) some of the major issues, offered
a consensus summary, and proposed some suggested resolutions.

I am in the process of getting two AgentX meetings scheduled
for the Montreal IETF (end of June).  Our schedule revisions
made it through review by Deirdre and the IESG and our charter
(hot-linked via the web site) now reflects the new dates.  This
means that we have to do everything we can to make it possible
for Mike and Bert to cast our decisions in terms of mods to
the DPI-2 specs...not to mention enabling Dale to get the
actual AgentX Protocol I-D out in time.

Finally, although I was in the military in the late 60s, I
failed to learn the lesson "never volunteer".  I "volunteered"
late last week to help the good people at Intel administer
the WinSNMP e-mail list...it didn't have a lot of admin
problems (just a handful of bad addresses that bounced when
anyone posted a message), but Intel seemed to be running
behind on fixing them and I thought another set of fingers
could help.  They liked that idea, but inadvertently (?...:-)
signed me up as "owner" for the (much larger) WinSock and
WinSock-2 e-mail lists...and I got totally overwelmed by an
avalanche (7-800) garbage messages over the weekend.  In my
haste to avoid impacting other users at my site, I accidently
deleted about a week's worth of messages I was holding for
later review/response.  So, if you sent me anything in the
past week or so that I have not yet responded to and you
still want a response to it, please re-send it to me.

Thanks.

Now, let's get to work on the AgentX issues, please!

Cordially,

BobN
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Hi,

Few doubts in the saMIB.

In saMIB, the following timeout values have been defined :

        saDefaultTimeout OBJECT-TYPE
                SYNTAX  INTEGER    -- (1..saMaxTimeout)
        --      UNITS   "seconds"
                ACCESS  read-write
                STATUS  mandatory
                DESCRIPTION
                    "The default timeout (in seconds) that this agent
                    waits for a response from a SubAgent. This value
                    is used if a timeout value is not specified for
                    the subtree nor for the subagent that exports
                    the subtree."
        --      DEFVAL  { 5 }
                ::= { saMIB 1 }

        saMaxTimeout OBJECT-TYPE
                SYNTAX  INTEGER (1..3600) -- 3600 is 60 minutes,
                                          -- so quite big already
        --      UNITS   "seconds"
                ACCESS  read-write
                STATUS  mandatory
                DESCRIPTION
                    "The maximum timeout (in seconds) that this agent
                    allows for timeout values for SubAgents. When you
                    try to set any other timeout value it must be
                    between 1 and this maximum value."
        --      DEFVAL  { 60 }
                ::= { saMIB 2 }

.......
        saTimeout       OBJECT-TYPE
                SYNTAX  INTEGER    -- (1..saMaxTimeout)
        --      UNITS   "seconds"
                ACCESS  read-write
                STATUS  mandatory
                DESCRIPTION
                    "The default timeout (seconds) for a SubAgent
                     response. This value will be used if there is no
                     timeout value specified for a particular subtree."
        --      DEFVAL  { 0 }
                ::= { saEntry 11 }

........
        saTtimeout      OBJECT-TYPE
                SYNTAX  INTEGER    -- (1..saMaxTimeout)
        --      UNITS   "seconds"
                ACCESS  read-write
                STATUS  mandatory
                DESCRIPTION
                    "The timeout (in seconds) for objects in this
                     subtree. A value of zero (0) means that the
                     overall timeout value (as specified in the
                     saTableEntry for the SubAgent) will be used."
        --      DEFVAL  { 0 }
                ::= { saTreeEntry 5 }


saDefaultTimeout, saTimeout and saTtimeout all depend on the 
variable saMaxTimeout. saMaxTimeout itself is read-write object.
If this MIB is made visible to the manager, and the manager sets the
value of saMaxTimeout to a value lower than the other timeout values
which would have been negotiated already, then how will the master agent
behave ?

Should the master-agent send out information to the sub-agents that
the saMaxTimeout value is being changed or should the sub-agents keep
checking the value of this object maintained by master-agent ?

-- 
-regards
rampi
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To: bflram@plutonium.bflsl.soft.net, agentx@fv.com
Subject: 22: agentX MIB

Ref:  Your note of Fri, 19 Apr 1996 22:44:56 -0400 (EDT)

Subject: 22: agentX MIB

The question about the timeout values in relation to saMaxTimeout

In my current implementation If saMaxTimeout gets changed, then
I just change that value and leave the already negotiated timeouts
untouched. I think that that is OK. Maybe we should add that we
suggest that this value prefereably be kept on nonvolatile
storage so that it is in effect with the next reboot.

If a manager wants a subagent to change, he/she can set the
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Hi,

I'm new here, so apologies if this is inappropriate or repeated...

In its current form, the sysUpTime object has limited usefulness as a 
timestamp. Perhaps it's semantics could be re-defined with some absolute or 
repeating origin. For example, at midnight a 'logical' (timer) restart could 
be defined, with the consequence that all traps and other references to 
sysUpTime would appear as the actual (local) time of the occurrence (in 
hundredths of a sec). Provided that all agents have an appropriate real-time 
clock, the time they report will then have global significance. The counter 
would wrap every midnight at the value 8,640,000 (or a bit higher if 
leap-seconds were accommodated).

This begs the question of clock synchronization between agents, however this 
can be achieved by CMOS clocks, operating system time synchronization 
facilities, etc.

If an object is required to determine the 'real' restart time, perhaps a new 
timestamp should be defined for this use.

Farhad Fozdar
 
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> From: "Fozdar, Farhad       VS extern" <Farhad.Fozdar@vs.siemens.de>
> Subject: 14:sysUpTime
> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 96 15:55:00 PDT
 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm new here, so apologies if this is inappropriate or repeated...
> 
> In its current form, the sysUpTime object has limited usefulness as a 
> timestamp. Perhaps it's semantics could be re-defined with some absolute or 
> repeating origin.

Can't do this.  The usefulness of sysUpTime makes for an interesting debate,
but considering the installed base of agents and managers, you just can
go and change the semantics of this object.

>For example, at midnight a 'logical' (timer) restart could 
> be defined, with the consequence that all traps and other references to 
> sysUpTime would appear as the actual (local) time of the occurrence (in 
> hundredths of a sec). Provided that all agents have an appropriate real-time 
> clock, the time they report will then have global significance.

But the are a lot of agents that don't have a real time clock; maybe they
don't have a clock that has a battery backup (so when the system boots, it
may not know what time it is).  You can't assume that all will always have
access to accurate time information.

Jim West
CIENA Optical Communications
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From: David Waitzman <djw@bbn.com>
Subject: HP OV proxy agent support?
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:17:26 -0400
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I have an manager support of agent extension question that I was hoping
that someone on the list can answer.

Can someone please tell me how well HP OV NNM (3.x, pre-Tornado)
handles SNMP proxy agents (per the recent Simple Times article by Dave
Bridgham) or point me to the right place?  The HP OV documentation I
have is not sufficient-- it barely mentions a "proxy" configuration
option that may not be addressing this anyway.

What I mean by handle is to have one icon on the map for a particular
system.  When you send a query using the historical query stuff, the
MIB browser or other applications, it should automatically send the
SNMP packets to the correct agent on the device (via the proxy) based
upon the part of the MIB being queried.

thanks,
-david waitzman
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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:31:04 -0400
From: natale@acec.com (Bob Natale)
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To: agentx@fv.com
Subject: AgentX sessions at Montreal IETF

Hi everyone,

I apologize for being rather inactive on this (and the
WinSNMP) list lately...my task stack has been growing out
of control...I am trying to work it down and/or fork some
of it off to other processors, but it seems like the input
port is being flooded with valid messages from high priority
sources!

Anyway, I wanted to give you the earliest possible notice
of the AgentX session schedule for the Montreal IETF,
which I just received a few minutes ago:

> This is to confirm two sessions for AGENTX as follows:
> 
> Tuesday, June 25 at 0900 (opposite atommib, pkix, rps, ipngwg)
> Wednesday, June 26 at 1530 (opposite dhc, ipsec)

This will be a very important IETF for AgentX, so I hope
you can all attend.

We need to work up an agenda and submit it to the IETF
planners within the next week or so.  Per our new charter
schedule, the main topic of the meeting should be review
of the draft of the core AgentX protocol specification.
This draft will have been posted by the meeting deadline
(probably around June 7).  I know that Mike and Bert
have been corresponding about some of the mods to the
DPIv2 protocol that need to be made; and Dale has been
preparing for handling the actual editing and document
production tasks.

Maria and I both have to get something started on the
AgentX MIB and API specifications, respectively.  I am
hopeful that Maria will be able to follow-up with Jeff
on his offer to make his reserveration MIB available as
a starting point.

Also, I owe it to Dave Keeney to visit the AgentX web
site in detail and provide a status update on all the
open issues.  I will try to do this no later than the
coming weekend and will, of course, post a synopsis
on each one on the list...most likely with a strawman
resolution of each (relying, in part, on Randy's
article in the Simple-Times AgentX issue).  This will,
I hope, contribute to the on-list discussion of the
issues for the benefit of helping Mike, Bert, and
Dale to complete the core protocol draft spec.

Of course, everyone is encouraged to submit their
own comments to the list at any time.

Cordially,

BobN
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To: agentx@fv.com
Subject: Change in meeting time (Montreal)
Cc: mbeaulie@cnri.reston.va.us

Hi folks,

Included below is a message I just received from Marcia
wrt scheduling matters:

> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:23:08 -0500
> From: Marcia Beaulieu <mbeaulie@CNRI.Reston.VA.US>
> 
> I have had a lot of requests from the NM Area and have had to
> do some rearranging.  I had to move the Wednesday session of
> AGENTX that was scheduled at 1530 to Wednesday at 1300.
> It is now opposite ifmib, ospf, cat and pppext.  I hope this
> change is acceptable with you, please let me know.

Naturally, we will want to cooperate...the only caveat being
how many people might see the conflict with ifmib as a show-
stopper.  If you do, please let me know asap.  We need to
help Marcia be able to lock the agenda down asap since many
attendees need to plan their travel and participation
schedules.

Thanks.

Cordially,

BobN
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Subject: Re: AgentX sessions at Montreal IETF
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Bob,

>> This is to confirm two sessions for AGENTX as follows:
>> 
>> Tuesday, June 25 at 0900 (opposite atommib, pkix, rps, ipngwg)
>> Wednesday, June 26 at 1530 (opposite dhc, ipsec)

Would it be possible to avoid the conflict between atommib and agentx
scheduling on June 25? I am sure that I am not the only one thinking 
about 
a future agentx based entity with ATM interfaces!

Dan Romascanu,
Systems Architecture Team Manager,
Madge Networks (Israel) Ltd.,
Voice: 972-3-645-8414, e-mail: dan@madge.com

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