From nobody Fri Jul 8 12:51:40 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC6E12D0BA; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:51:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wi_ZSdKgp34t; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxout-08.mxes.net (mxout-08.mxes.net [216.86.168.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B828127058; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.123.7] (unknown [75.83.2.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B037509B8; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 15:51:34 -0400 (EDT) References: <20160708153240.32131.15645.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> To: "apps-discuss@ietf.org" From: Sean Leonard X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20160708153240.32131.15645.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:50:55 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20160708153240.32131.15645.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: dispatch@ietf.org Subject: [apps-discuss] New Version Notification for draft-bormann-cbor-tags-oid-04.txt X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 19:51:38 -0000 Hi apps-discuss and dispatch: We present the latest version of CBOR Tags and Techniques. Version-03=20 added the stuff listed in the title. Based on (rather limited but=20 pointed) feedback, version-04 mainly revised the title and the abstract=20 so that it more accurately reflects the current contents. For dispatch@: "what shall we do with it?" And for apps-discuss@: "what do you think of it?" Regards, Sean PS As stated in the -03 announcement, the details of Sections 6 and=20 onwards were mostly written by me, so you can (politely) flame on me=20 rather than both of us if you have concerns or feedback on that material.= -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: New Version Notification for draft-bormann-cbor-tags-oid-04.txt= Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 08:32:40 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org A new version of I-D, draft-bormann-cbor-tags-oid-04.txt has been successfully submitted by Sean Leonard and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-bormann-cbor-tags-oid Revision: 04 Title: Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) Tags and Techniques for Object Identifiers, Enumerations, Binary Entities, Regular Expressions, and Sets Document date: 2016-07-08 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 32 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bormann-cbor-t= ags-oid-04.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bormann-cbor-tags-= oid/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bormann-cbor-tags-oid-0= 4 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-bormann-cbor-ta= gs-oid-04 Abstract: The Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR, RFC 7049) is a data format whose design goals include the possibility of extremely small code size, fairly small message size, and extensibility without the need for version negotiation. Useful tags and techniques have emerged since the publication of RFC 7049; the present document makes use of CBOR's built-in major types to define and refine several useful constructs, without changing the wire protocol. This document adds object identifiers (OIDs) to CBOR with CBOR tags <> and <> [values TBD]. It is intended as the reference document for the IANA registration of the CBOR tags so defined. Useful techniques for enumerations and sets are presented (without new tags). As the documentation for MIME entities (tag 36) and regular expressions (tag 35) RFC 7049 left much out, this document provides more comprehensive specifications. =20 From prvs=00009219de=stefan.cordes@canda.com Sun Jul 10 23:48:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C224D12B00D for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.92 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cWXXbQEIfUU7 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:48:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatem.retail-sc.com (gatem.retail-sc.com [195.39.227.66]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BDE812B00A for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 23:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m1.intdus.retail-sc.com ([10.0.243.143]) by gatem.retail-sc.com (Exim 4.80.1) with esmtp id 1bMV0n-000Dy3-5d; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:48:13 +0200 Received: from [10.16.2.190] (helo=intdusmhc1.intdus.retail-sc.com) by m1.intdus.retail-sc.com (Exim 4.80.1) with esmtp id 1bMV0n-0008YS-3n; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:48:13 +0200 Received: from dedusmsc2.intdus.retail-sc.com ([10.16.2.177]) by intdusmhc1.intdus.retail-sc.com (IBM Domino Release 9.0.1FP2 HF590) with ESMTP id 2016071108481292-5477 ; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:48:12 +0200 To: apps-discuss@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KeepSent: D07488E0:FAA41B38-C1257FED:0023B49B; type=4; flags=0; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: IBM Notes Release 9.0.1 October 14, 2013 Message-ID: From: Stefan Cordes Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 08:48:12 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dedusMSC2/server/retail-sc(Release 9.0.1FP2 HF590|December 11, 2014) at 07/11/2016 08:48:12 AM, Serialize complete at 07/11/2016 08:48:12 AM, Itemize by SMTP Server on intdusMHC1/server/retail-sc(Release 9.0.1FP2 HF590|December 11, 2014) at 07/11/2016 08:48:12 AM, Serialize by Router on intdusMHC1/server/retail-sc(Release 9.0.1FP2 HF590|December 11, 2014) at 07/11/2016 08:48:12 AM Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="=_related 00255F91C1257FED_=" X-m1-Scan-Signature: eca429d11edc04183437759b5c30da2b X-RSC-MailScanner-Information: W1 X-RSC-MailScanner-ID: 1bMV0n-000Dy3-5d X-RSC-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RSC-MailScanner-From: stefan.cordes@canda.com Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:45:23 -0700 Cc: svacas Subject: [apps-discuss] Question regarding RFC 7303 X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 06:51:27 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_related 00255F91C1257FED_= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 00255F91C1257FED_=" --=_alternative 00255F91C1257FED_= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi, with https://github.com/mulesoft/apikit/pull/88#issuecomment-231617946 we came in some discussions about https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-3.2 where sometimes the "MIME Content-Type header" is ignored (=20 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-8.9 ) and sometimes the "XML encoding declaration" is ignored (=20 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-8.8 ) Sounds to me a little bit unclear: Transport does not touch characters in the body in case a "BOM" is=20 available? Transport converts all characters in the body to "MIME Content-Type" when=20 receiving ? Especially scenario 8.8 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-8.8=20 seems not to work, as base64 transport does not change anything in the xml-body and gives all=20 the characters as they were sent into the DocumentBuilder.parse(...). So in my point of view the "MIME Content-Type header" should be ignored in = all cases for "application/xml". Gru=DF, Stefan Cordes A-2.26 C&A Services GmbH & Co. OHG | Wanheimer Str. 70 | 40468 D=FCsseldorf T +49 211 9872 2501 | stefan.cordes@canda.com Visit us on www.c-a.com or www.facebook.com/ca Please consider the environmental impact of needlessly printing this=20 e-mail.=20 =20 --=_alternative 00255F91C1257FED_= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi,
with https://github.com/mulesoft/apikit/pull/88#issuecomment-23= 1617946
we came in some discussions about

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#sectio= n-3.2

where sometimes the "MIME Content-Ty= pe header" is ignored ( https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#sect= ion-8.9 )
 and sometimes the "XML encoding declaration" is ignored ( https://t= ools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-8.8 )


Sounds to me a little bit unclear:

Transport does not touch characters in the body in case a "BOM" is available?
Transport converts all characters in the body to "MIME Content-Type" when receiving ?


Especially scenario 8.8 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-8.8 seems not to work, as
base64 transport does not change anything in the xml-body and gives all the characters as they were sent into the DocumentBuilder.parse(...).


So in my point of view the "MIME Con= tent-Type header" should be ignored in all cases for "application/xml"= .


Gru=DF,

Stefan Cordes
A-2.26


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T +49 211 9872 2501 | stefan.cordes@canda.com

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Thompson) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:11:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Cordes's message of "Mon\, 11 Jul 2016 08\:48\:12 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1012 (Gnus v5.10.12) XEmacs/21.5-b34 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.16.102 Archived-At: Cc: svacas , apps-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Question regarding RFC 7303 X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:11:42 -0000 Stefan Cordes writes: > Hi, > with https://github.com/mulesoft/apikit/pull/88#issuecomment-231617946 > we came in some discussions about > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-3.2 > > where sometimes the "MIME Content-Type header" is ignored ( > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-8.9 ) > and sometimes the "XML encoding declaration" is ignored ( > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-8.8 ) Yes, it's complicated and not completely ideal. > Sounds to me a little bit unclear: > > Transport does not touch characters in the body in case a "BOM" is > available? > Transport converts all characters in the body to "MIME Content-Type" when > receiving ? Not sure what you mean by 'transport' here... > Especially scenario 8.8 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-8.8 > seems not to work, as > base64 transport does not change anything in the xml-body and gives all > the characters as they were sent into the DocumentBuilder.parse(...). > > > So in my point of view the "MIME Content-Type header" should be ignored in > all cases for "application/xml". Could you be a bit more specific as to what your actual question is? Thanks, ht -- Henry S. 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Thompson) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-KeepSent: 777BAE8E:791CC93D-C1257FEE:0035AD7E; type=4; flags=0; name=$KeepSent X-Mailer: IBM Notes Release 9.0.1 October 14, 2013 Message-ID: From: Stefan Cordes Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:11:56 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on dedusMSC2/server/retail-sc(Release 9.0.1FP2 HF590|December 11, 2014) at 07/12/2016 12:11:56 PM, Serialize complete at 07/12/2016 12:11:56 PM, Itemize by SMTP Server on intdusMHC1/server/retail-sc(Release 9.0.1FP2 HF590|December 11, 2014) at 07/12/2016 12:11:56 PM, Serialize by Router on intdusMHC1/server/retail-sc(Release 9.0.1FP2 HF590|December 11, 2014) at 07/12/2016 12:11:56 PM Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="=_related 0038064AC1257FEE_=" X-m1-Scan-Signature: 555fb9db288b99949848c0da3d1cf8ee X-RSC-MailScanner-Information: W1 X-RSC-MailScanner-ID: 1bMufU-0001ni-Hf X-RSC-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-RSC-MailScanner-From: stefan.cordes@canda.com Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 07:14:08 -0700 Cc: svacas , apps-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Question regarding RFC 7303 X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:12:06 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_related 0038064AC1257FEE_= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0038064AC1257FEE_=" --=_alternative 0038064AC1257FEE_= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi ht, my idea was to pass the "application/xml" Stream (assuming it is streamed=20 by sender) directly to tempDoc =3D=20 DocumentBuilderFactory.newDocumentBuild().parse(inputStream); But to be rfc7303 conform we first need to check if there is a BOM at the=20 beginning of the Stream=20 and if not take the "MIME Content-Type header" encoding to use=20 parse(new StringSource(new=20 String(bytesFormStream,mimeTypeHeader)); and so overruling the encoding setting in the xml header. But that approach works does not work in my point of view as the sender=20 had created the OutputStream with an XML Transformer with encoding=20 specified in the xml-declaration and not with the http content type (in=20 case it is different). So my question is to change the "conflict section" in that way that the=20 xml-body MUST be parsed with the encoding specified in the xml-declaration = always (or UTF-.. in case of BOM) and ignore the "MIME Content-Type header". Gru=DF, Stefan Cordes A-2.26 C&A Services GmbH & Co. OHG | Wanheimer Str. 70 | 40468 D=FCsseldorf T +49 211 9872 2501 | stefan.cordes@canda.com Visit us on www.c-a.com or www.facebook.com/ca Please consider the environmental impact of needlessly printing this=20 e-mail.=20 =20 From: ht@inf.ed.ac.uk (Henry S. Thompson) To: Stefan Cordes Cc: apps-discuss@ietf.org, svacas Date: 12.07.2016 11:11 Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Question regarding RFC 7303 Stefan Cordes writes: > Hi, > with https://github.com/mulesoft/apikit/pull/88#issuecomment-231617946 > we came in some discussions about > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-3.2 > > where sometimes the "MIME Content-Type header" is ignored (=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-8.9 ) > and sometimes the "XML encoding declaration" is ignored (=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-8.8 ) Yes, it's complicated and not completely ideal. > Sounds to me a little bit unclear: > > Transport does not touch characters in the body in case a "BOM" is=20 > available? > Transport converts all characters in the body to "MIME Content-Type"=20 when=20 > receiving ? Not sure what you mean by 'transport' here... > Especially scenario 8.8 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-8.8=20 > seems not to work, as > base64 transport does not change anything in the xml-body and gives all=20 > the characters as they were sent into the DocumentBuilder.parse(...). > > > So in my point of view the "MIME Content-Type header" should be ignored=20 in=20 > all cases for "application/xml". Could you be a bit more specific as to what your actual question is? Thanks, ht --=20 Henry S. Thompson, School of Informatics, University of Edinburgh 10 Crichton Street, Edinburgh EH8 9AB, SCOTLAND -- (44) 131 650-4440 Fax: (44) 131 650-4587, e-mail: ht@inf.ed.ac.uk URL: http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/ [mail from me =5Falways=5F has a .sig like this -- mail without it is forg= ed=20 spam] !DSPAM:5784b45210114371920009! --=_alternative 0038064AC1257FEE_= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi ht,

my idea was to pass the "application= /xml" Stream (assuming it is streamed by sender)
directly to

        tempDoc =3D DocumentBuilderFactory.newDocumentBuild().parse(inputStream);

But to be rfc7303 conform we first need to check if there is a BOM at the beginning of the Stream
and if not take the "MIME Content-Type header" encoding to use

        parse(new StringSource(new String(bytesFormStream,mimeTypeHeader));

and so overruling the encoding setting in the xml header.
But that approach works does not work in my point of view as the sender had created the OutputStream with an XML Transformer with encoding specified in the xml-declaration and not with the http content type (in case it is different).



So my question is to change the "con= flict section" in that way that the xml-body MUST be parsed with the encoding specified in the xml-declaration always (or UTF-.. in case of BOM)
and ignore the = "MIME Content-Type header".





Gru=DF,

Stefan Cordes
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From:     =    ht@inf.ed.ac.uk (Henry S. Thompson)
To:     &n= bsp;  Stefan Cordes <stefan.co= rdes@canda.com>
Cc:     &n= bsp;  apps-discuss@ietf.org, svacas <notifications@github.com>
Date:     =    12.07.2016 11:11
Subject:   &nbs= p;    Re: [apps-discuss] Question regarding RFC 7303



Stefan Cordes writes:

> Hi,
> with https://github.com/mulesoft/api= kit/pull/88#issuecomment-231617946
> we came in some discussions about
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-3.2=
>
> where sometimes the "MIME Content-Type header" is ignored (
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-8.9= )
>  and sometimes the "XML encoding declaration" is ignored (
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7303#section-8.8= )

Yes, it's complicated and not completely ideal.

> Sounds to me a little bit unclear:
>
> Transport does not touch characters in the body in case a "BOM&qu= ot; is
> available?
> Transport converts all characters in the body to "MIME Content-Ty= pe" when
> receiving ?

Not sure what you mean by 'transport' here...

> Especially scenario 8.8 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rf= c7303#section-8.8
> seems not to work, as
> base64 transport does not change anything in the xml-body and gives all
> the characters as they were sent into the DocumentBuilder.parse(...).<= br> >
>
> So in my point of view the "MIME Content-Type header" should be ignored in
> all cases for "application/xml".

Could you be a bit more specific as to what your actual question is?

Thanks,

ht
--
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     10 Crichton Street, Edinburgh EH8 9AB, SCOTLAND -- (44) 131 650-4440
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X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:28:20 -0000 [This is more-or-less a heads-up public service announcement/query wrt process...] In the below relatively recent exchange on the HTTP WG's list ietf-http-wg@.. https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2016JanMar/0323.html > On 3/3/16, 3:10 AM, "Anne van Kesteren" wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Mike West wrote: >> > I think we need precision somewhere. I'm fairly agnostic about where that >> > somewhere might be. Adding Anne, who might be interested in defining terms >> > like these in Fetch? > > Seems fine. (Though note that the Origin RFC comparison does not quite > fly, it's made obsolete by the combination of HTML, Fetch, and URL > Standards.) ..Anne notes that (in the WhatWG's (and others?) view), RFC6454 "The Web Origin Concept" is obsoleted by the combination of (the present, and intended on-going state of) [HTML], [FETCH], and [URL]. This seems to beg some questions for the HTTP WG and the IETF at large (and perhaps the WhatWG, as well as the W3C), since [HTML] and [FETCH] are implemented by browsers and browser-like HTTP clients (e.g., crawlers/spiders), but not necessarily other types of HTTP clients, [URL] is intended (by its author(s)) to obsolete RFC3986 & RFC3987 [URLgoals], and RFC6454 is referenced by nine RFCs [0] and several I-Ds [1]: * Should some I-D appear that is intended to obsolete RFC6454 and points to [HTML], [FETCH], and [URL] as the present specs addressing the Web Origin Concept? * Or should some I-D appear stating that for browsers and browser-like HTTP clients, see [HTML][FETCH][URL] for the Web Origin Concept, and for other HTTP clients, see RFC6454? * Plus, should the change(s) to the functionality & definitions in RFC6454 be back-ported to a rfc6454bis ? * Are the changes to RFC3986 & RFC3987 evidenced in [URL] widely applicable to all URL-utilizing specs and if so, do we obsolete them and point to [URL], or backport the changes to RFC3986bis & RFC3987bis? Or do something else, or do nothing? The above questions and the issues they beg are just off the top of my head, need refinement, etc. Perhaps the duplication between "orgs" doesn't matter and everyone can figure out what specs to pay attention to given their context? I don't know the answers but thought I'd toss out the questions... HTH, =JeffH ps: note also that [HTML] and [FETCH] are referenced by draft-ietf-httpbis-cookie-same-site: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2016AprJun/0432.html [FETCH] https://fetch.spec.whatwg.org/ [HTML] https://html.spec.whatwg.org/ [URL] https://url.spec.whatwg.org/ [URLgoals] https://url.spec.whatwg.org/#goals [0] RFC6454 is ref'd By 6555, 6690, 6787, 6797, 6920, 7030, 7034, 7395, 7486 [1] (some of the below may be expired, I didn't check) > grep -li rfc6454 *txt draft-dejong-remotestorage-07.txt draft-ietf-appsawg-file-scheme-11.txt draft-ietf-core-coap-tcp-tls-03.txt draft-ietf-httpauth-mutual-08.txt draft-ietf-httpbis-alt-svc-14.txt draft-ietf-httpbis-cache-digest-00.txt draft-ietf-httpbis-cookie-same-site-00.txt draft-ietf-httpbis-http2-encryption-06.txt draft-ietf-httpbis-origin-frame-00.txt draft-ietf-rtcweb-security-08.txt draft-ietf-rtcweb-security-arch-12.txt draft-ietf-tram-stun-origin-06.txt draft-ietf-webpush-protocol-07.txt draft-ietf-webpush-vapid-01.txt draft-kazuho-h2-cache-digest-01.txt draft-nottingham-httpbis-origin-frame-01.txt draft-pd-dispatch-msrp-websocket-12.txt draft-reschke-http-oob-encoding-07.txt draft-savolainen-core-coap-websockets-07.txt draft-sheffer-tls-pinning-ticket-02.txt draft-thomson-http-scd-01.txt draft-thomson-webpush-vapid-02.txt From nobody Mon Jul 18 14:00:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5378A12D0A3 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:00:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.488 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.488 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YQXe86qK-SAw for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from giant.haxx.se (www.haxx.se [IPv6:2a00:1a28:1200:9::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C5D12D0A6 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from giant.haxx.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-4) with ESMTPS id u6IL033G001565 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:00:03 +0200 Received: from localhost (dast@localhost) by giant.haxx.se (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id u6IL02G6001362; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:00:02 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: giant.haxx.se: dast owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:00:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Daniel Stenberg X-X-Sender: dast@giant.haxx.se To: jeff.hodges@kingsmountain.com In-Reply-To: <20160718091102.Horde.RzjJV3MMRkInfgnzFSWltA7@box514.bluehost.com> Message-ID: References: <20160718091102.Horde.RzjJV3MMRkInfgnzFSWltA7@box514.bluehost.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (DEB 67 2015-01-07) X-fromdanielhimself: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Archived-At: Cc: apps-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] RFC6454 "the web origin concept" obsoleted? X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:00:10 -0000 On Mon, 18 Jul 2016, jeff.hodges@kingsmountain.com wrote: > * Are the changes to RFC3986 & RFC3987 evidenced in [URL] widely applicable > to all URL-utilizing specs and if so, do we obsolete them and point to > [URL], or backport the changes to RFC3986bis & RFC3987bis? Or do something > else, or do nothing? The [URL] spec is mostly followed by browsers while the rest of the URL parsing world is all over the place but very few non-browsers implement the [URL] spec and instead do various mixes of what the RFCs say and the browsers do. I blogged about this exact issue a short while ago [1] after having realized the [URL] spec says eight thousand slashes in a HTTP URL is fine and should be parsed. I personally am not a fan of neither the [URL] spec style (I find it very hard to read), how it is being written or what it says a URL can look like. But I know I get a lot of objections and "web compatibility" arguments thrown at me when I say so... So the RFCs are currently lacking a lot when it comes to parsing modern URLs, but the [URL] spec is not even trying to make a spec for an entire web infrastructure so it isn't a generic solution either. I don't have a good answer for where we should go from here. [1] = https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2016/05/11/my-url-isnt-your-url/ -- / daniel.haxx.se From nobody Mon Jul 18 15:04:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AE712DB33 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:04:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sVRUfFAjbdOs for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bsa2.jck.com (ns.jck.com [70.88.254.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6093B12DB25 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [198.252.137.10] (helo=JcK-HP8200) by bsa2.jck.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1bPGdl-0009E3-W6; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:03:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 18:03:48 -0400 From: John C Klensin To: Daniel Stenberg Message-ID: <65E4055212E7B71DAAAB6FF9@JcK-HP8200> In-Reply-To: References: <20160718091102.Horde.RzjJV3MMRkInfgnzFSWltA7@box514.bluehost.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 198.252.137.10 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: john-ietf@jck.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on bsa2.jck.com); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: Cc: apps-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] RFC6454 "the web origin concept" obsoleted? X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 22:04:06 -0000 Hi. One, possibly-useful addition to what Daniel has written below. According to RFC 3986, but completely ignored or rejected by the WHATWG URL spec, one of the reasons the terminology was switched to focus on the term "URI" is that there are URIs that are not URLs or even "locators" but "names". In retrospect, that switch might have been a mistake but it affects today's reality. In particular, the most important name-type URIs are URNs (or, because there is even more confusion, more precisely URIs of scheme "urn:"). URNs of that variety (specified by RFC 2141) never use "://", a typical one might look like "urn:ietf:rfc:3986" or "urn:issn:2070-1721". Independent of the [URL] document, many people have argued strongly that, for example, the piece of HTML that allows URLs in elements is required to accept [generalized] URIs (not just HTTP and HTTPS URLs) and process them in some way, making the above distinctions either important or troublesome, depending on how one looks at the issue. "Argued strongly" is not intended as any disrespect -- it is hard to read the HTML specs in any other way. The URNBIS WG is in the process of updating RFC 2141 and some related specs to allow more capabilities and to better reflect contemporary practice and requirements. I'd recommend its mailing list, discussions, and documents to anyone interested in seeing another direction for where these discussions lead. best, john --On Monday, July 18, 2016 23:00 +0200 Daniel Stenberg wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jul 2016, jeff.hodges@kingsmountain.com wrote: > >> * Are the changes to RFC3986 & RFC3987 evidenced in [URL] >> widely applicable to all URL-utilizing specs and if so, do >> we obsolete them and point to [URL], or backport the changes >> to RFC3986bis & RFC3987bis? Or do something else, or do >> nothing? > > The [URL] spec is mostly followed by browsers while the rest > of the URL parsing world is all over the place but very few > non-browsers implement the [URL] spec and instead do various > mixes of what the RFCs say and the browsers do. I blogged > about this exact issue a short while ago [1] after having > realized the [URL] spec says eight thousand slashes in a HTTP > URL is fine and should be parsed. > > I personally am not a fan of neither the [URL] spec style (I > find it very hard to read), how it is being written or what it > says a URL can look like. But I know I get a lot of objections > and "web compatibility" arguments thrown at me when I say so... > > So the RFCs are currently lacking a lot when it comes to > parsing modern URLs, but the [URL] spec is not even trying to > make a spec for an entire web infrastructure so it isn't a > generic solution either. I don't have a good answer for where > we should go from here. > > [1] = > https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2016/05/11/my-url-isnt-your-url/ From nobody Tue Jul 19 22:58:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF08212DA90 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 22:58:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rIZ-m1Ysxs2z for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 22:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x234.google.com (mail-wm0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 939BC12DA8F for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 22:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x234.google.com with SMTP id i5so51571542wmg.0 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 22:58:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HugFq/sjvEVXfa9r/SPWNxqoCiVQqzZBt9myZUwj+ik=; b=bX3iEG0IIoYWtl3yW0C4UHsyzcVmo/rfadejUzYcKQ0nfz3/DumiUTrTenVljEaVQ1 emgvWJDrSMkhC+XAbZbO94CfMugDG4OWb+FJ9/LUKUkeMbcCDrUeBMD1fz3nR8BRLLyy VZICrZHHUF+bqU/nljG8bGhGoQ5QiDqwhMyRVoQvOKDhxwLyz7uc4t0ytiEAMqTM7+Zh z2UZW9hIiCMzltXJxRaNy1sGR3SXUlTqoS07qoRK88nkahAQxQsKSD+7CxFp3rf9P3IX l3XW02ADfx4eeB5kMyQs9w7s3U8IoeYXzsDdkF9COo5lJoPF/R2YOgWcAYiHVoVBzoFT cnqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HugFq/sjvEVXfa9r/SPWNxqoCiVQqzZBt9myZUwj+ik=; b=Hs4k9qZbz73X1ERYN4jW9SHC24QP3z9DygmnYNW0uYpX/Tg72bkw46+e7CpmEYwpm+ zIPSmOq2wty/ZlkEWypZT+l/ac0uAYeaNqVH6dJ9EJwf7xt3sf4pNuPoNhl5hl4wdTF+ +jOAvAgrK5dpWxfzFvMD0iV+W3mmwvI7TzyUpp8Of3NwAo0Z1+hgOBFgmIlH+B5zHuHm XXR43BFDm4bGj0NrxaIULENbb+VcX6ovjWvzDfCTEHCZjHba9OdZtS8lbBMn62f8s1d7 sayw4soPJi93reBsqXyF4RerWB+EcK5otqPBATYyJgfgD4vRBvm5PA6HzUakYP/xRxZT bWHA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLGxeuyLnKJiqT7j2JOeTGHbGheeLmM5S12G4qQoM6z3Ybb14akbnWY3iqWX+UWaA== X-Received: by 10.28.60.136 with SMTP id j130mr9693635wma.93.1468994278600; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 22:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from twicinski-ltm.internal.salesforce.com (port-83-236-242-106.static.qsc.de. [83.236.242.106]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r13sm2789447wmf.12.2016.07.19.22.57.57 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Jul 2016 22:57:57 -0700 (PDT) To: apps-discuss@ietf.org From: Tim Wicinski Message-ID: <40c227db-76ff-15bd-3358-ba85a63f1b59@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 07:57:56 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [apps-discuss] Draft of interest in DNSOP: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:58:03 -0000 All, As one of the chairs of DNSOP I wanted to make the Apps Area of a draft that has been adopted by DNSOP "DNS Scoped Data Through '_Underscore' Attribute Leaves": https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf/ It is attempting what others have tried and failed in the past - to document all the DNS reserved node names that begin with an underscore, and to create a registry for said names. This draft is not just looking at SRV records, but TXT records which document such behavior. We think the Apps area will have a vested interest in not only the registry, but ensuring all current applications are documented. We welcome any and all feedback thanks, tim wicinski From nobody Wed Jul 20 01:59:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0472D12B037 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:59:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4-SZD55yCMB2 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.frobbit.se (mail.frobbit.se [IPv6:2a02:80:3ffe::176]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63A2A12D9CE for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [31.133.154.69] (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:152:a190:e278:c08b:abdc]) by mail.frobbit.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 96C7D204B4; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:59:18 +0200 (CEST) From: "Patrik =?utf-8?b?RsOkbHRzdHLDtm0=?=" To: "Tim Wicinski" Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:59:18 +0200 Message-ID: <08FD5E91-BB1B-4190-AD00-5BE6505556D6@frobbit.se> In-Reply-To: <40c227db-76ff-15bd-3358-ba85a63f1b59@gmail.com> References: <40c227db-76ff-15bd-3358-ba85a63f1b59@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=_MailMate_8593AEA5-48A6-436F-B5D1-2074778F2844_="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Mailer: MailMate (2.0BETAr6042) Archived-At: Cc: apps-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Draft of interest in DNSOP: draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:59:25 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 3156 and 4880). --=_MailMate_8593AEA5-48A6-436F-B5D1-2074778F2844_= Content-Type: text/plain On 20 Jul 2016, at 7:57, Tim Wicinski wrote: > This draft is not just looking at SRV records, but TXT records which document such behavior. And URI. Patrik --=_MailMate_8593AEA5-48A6-436F-B5D1-2074778F2844_= Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlePPWYACgkQrMabGguI183miQCfa7yvRxxDlU3huVLPwrRfjOE2 C6EAnRF0vIALdTLaigECiHtKOYOVyR0/ =xAC3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_MailMate_8593AEA5-48A6-436F-B5D1-2074778F2844_=-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 23:35:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4977012DA65 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:35:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=kingsmountain.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wbB_3eD9URBq for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.25.95]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D47C12DA63 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 23:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3018 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jul 2016 06:35:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2016 06:35:08 -0000 Received: from box514.bluehost.com ([74.220.219.114]) by CMOut01 with id MJb21t00z2UhLwi01Jb5G9; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 00:35:06 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=AL9Ak13q c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9W6Fsu4pMcyimqnCr1W0/w==:117 a=9W6Fsu4pMcyimqnCr1W0/w==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=XYUc-DgfXtMA:10 a=cAmyUtKerLwA:10 a=KHxvbYU2SVld7zCgoFIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=mX-k-FlPisUA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kingsmountain.com; s=default; h=MIME-Version:Content-Type:Subject:To:From: Message-ID:Date; bh=wRAdvtvYu/NU97fo0jR42Tlcp/6SY7IzMU8KCAk1kc8=; b=YsGe90vlu xI0Qo+I4h2F2krtpVsrwnDLOy8iW2/5Yk6AYwi3AIXmaLU9ktOSsGm+7rrS0NikKE+wUcBYbcHJGK y1WC6KG17+yjR1Yawpmp7ZHrf514kENpYSnBRvkew7; Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=52737 helo=box514.bluehost.com) by box514.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bQ7ZX-0002C8-Ut for apps-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 00:35:03 -0600 Received: from 31.133.176.206 ([31.133.176.206]) by box514.bluehost.com (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 00:34:58 -0600 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 00:34:58 -0600 Message-ID: <20160721003458.Horde.zP1G6aP9DEGqU60wh2uGsx_@box514.bluehost.com> From: jeff.hodges@kingsmountain.com To: apps-discuss@ietf.org User-Agent: Horde Application Framework 5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Identified-User: {:box514.bluehost.com:kingsmou:kingsmountain.com} {sentby:program running on server} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box514.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kingsmountain.com X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Exim-ID: 1bQ7ZX-0002C8-Ut X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: (box514.bluehost.com) [127.0.0.1]:52737 X-Source-Auth: jeff.hodges@kingsmountain.com X-Email-Count: 0 X-Source-Cap: a2luZ3Ntb3U7a2luZ3Ntb3U7Ym94NTE0LmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Subject: [apps-discuss] "ID-event" side meeting 0900h thur morning (today)? X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 06:35:16 -0000 On monday, I placed an "id-event side meeting" for 0900h thur morn (today) in my calendar but there was not a location given at the time.. I seem to recall it was mentioned during the ART area aka dispatch/apps session does anyone here know where that side meeting is to gather? thanks, =JeffH From nobody Thu Jul 21 00:12:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE3F12B02B for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 00:12:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=kingsmountain.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Oi5kj5Pd7RG6 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 00:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.33.93]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D65312D8A1 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 00:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4928 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jul 2016 07:12:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy8.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2016 07:12:13 -0000 Received: from box514.bluehost.com ([74.220.219.114]) by cmgw4 with id MKCA1t0072UhLwi01KCD2w; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:12:13 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=TIHWFTVa c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=9W6Fsu4pMcyimqnCr1W0/w==:117 a=9W6Fsu4pMcyimqnCr1W0/w==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=XYUc-DgfXtMA:10 a=cAmyUtKerLwA:10 a=ieNpE_y6AAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=OHbP6uIquWQkocbtNVIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=lOZzU2MLX5qQKtuoMSD9:22 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kingsmountain.com; s=default; h=MIME-Version:Content-Type:In-Reply-To: Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date; bh=SPO7wvSFDsvp8yPV6TKrp9kLeujhniiqmsxC5Ib6BWI=; b=uzc+LD7burSKUpajPpbleIJLyH dthAQHl5CbpqMzFumUii7VnXQpHMnvJKtJXS8uUv68/vASwisRz4tfUvNaOIJiob+KCwHKdUTV8L2 xZF5222QDzVK3xIUUzhL4uhFm; Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=33744 helo=box514.bluehost.com) by box514.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bQ89S-0005Y3-2C for apps-discuss@ietf.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:12:10 -0600 Received: from 31.133.176.206 ([31.133.176.206]) by box514.bluehost.com (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:12:04 -0600 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 01:12:04 -0600 Message-ID: <20160721011204.Horde.qn5LGWLdFW3rFKlZMeteK9_@box514.bluehost.com> From: jeff.hodges@kingsmountain.com To: apps-discuss@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20160721003458.Horde.zP1G6aP9DEGqU60wh2uGsx_@box514.bluehost.com> User-Agent: Horde Application Framework 5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline X-Identified-User: {:box514.bluehost.com:kingsmou:kingsmountain.com} {sentby:program running on server} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box514.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kingsmountain.com X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Exim-ID: 1bQ89S-0005Y3-2C X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: (box514.bluehost.com) [127.0.0.1]:33744 X-Source-Auth: jeff.hodges@kingsmountain.com X-Email-Count: 0 X-Source-Cap: a2luZ3Ntb3U7a2luZ3Ntb3U7Ym94NTE0LmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] "ID-event" side meeting 0900h thur morning (today)? X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:12:15 -0000 Quoting jeff.hodges@kingsmountain.com: > On monday, I placed an "id-event side meeting" for 0900h thur morn > (today) in my calendar but there was not a location given at the > time.. I seem to recall it was mentioned during the ART area aka > dispatch/apps session > > does anyone here know where that side meeting is to gather? ok, found'em, it is in the glassed-in breakfast area....info was sent to the id-event@ietf.org non-wg mailing list (doh) =JeffH From nobody Sat Jul 23 02:37:46 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375F712D630 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 02:37:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wnWuwwJW-a_o for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 02:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp110.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (smtp110.iad3a.emailsrvr.com [173.203.187.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B67D812D672 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 02:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp14.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp14.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DBB13601C3; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 05:37:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Auth-ID: fluffy@iii.ca Received: by smtp14.relay.iad3a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: fluffy-AT-iii.ca) with ESMTPSA id 89B1B60142; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 05:37:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender-Id: fluffy@iii.ca Received: from [10.61.167.19] ([UNAVAILABLE]. [173.38.220.59]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA) by 0.0.0.0:587 (trex/5.5.4); Sat, 23 Jul 2016 05:37:31 -0400 From: Cullen Jennings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 03:37:30 -0600 Message-Id: <3626798A-9358-43E3-B196-44290260BF95@iii.ca> To: apps-discuss@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: [apps-discuss] Comment on draft-thomson-http-omnomnom-00 X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:37:44 -0000 So the relevant text of this draft is=20 Cookies that are set using insecure channels (i.e., HTTP over cleartext TCP), MUST have a short time limit on the time that they are persisted. Without specifying what a short time is, this seems like a pretty = vacuous MUST. Perhaps an exact value could be provided.=20 From nobody Sat Jul 23 05:28:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3816612D196 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 05:28:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oR9rR9SDnRCG for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 05:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x230.google.com (mail-qk0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F5CA12D13D for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 05:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x230.google.com with SMTP id x1so122463307qkb.3 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 05:28:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=biAzuJKdk9ZtAkLZj+E2q3moQEQx+I4JExI4SC9BJ9g=; b=pYgJawgAQNoODSVlR6Ho0Gzl5RVeJ8G9Jj0VtTs+FnXjRXkgb4FVfQGIcNnqVxh+i4 fwbqzE7E+XBmPeaEdi0XzpjK6F0e62VurkElMy4iAEQgIx+GpQVAlrbdai0MQZSWhIQ+ 1NUgrVhTF1sW/fGxPhPMaxkaU4N9oCo1+C1+Ko4BIK+tyODTW/Ds85UHLg6oFdAhSFeo 4nIRd4Lf0pYeiA7Isq11gqlsADpfaNL+m/W1dffCiZyf0NNoGNNAHfhKHnoDV29/4ORV m/nIxduHTdb1zhmN7Qd1ZAwCH5WPl6BD0u26YgHxkjINHmtYbxJpaDr15fSfYzBKX7im sK9Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=biAzuJKdk9ZtAkLZj+E2q3moQEQx+I4JExI4SC9BJ9g=; b=EQHbzyxsyOn4qwpWTxTyMcsQ4SdDNP1GU5foF3L09+Ti38KXkzKKlUgrL03zvxoMAr TkVAIM7TsDnvuOSkp9UfPvGo/s4u1rS68B5kOIrhQ0duqI659Wh1RPK4JGf6V1um71ZN yzyVTG1PtjGK+4oik3gRtNLKFct3K6XwMts6YyR6/JjPVnvGWl5JlybUvS8L6nWx1BuX fU243303giFIzQsTbncu8y5zfdamgid2yaejLTuslvRbOvnK1539N8YyhSd1DdPPU1ud 13fpg3yhbsjWcITDfCKmDwXnOkk2Ia1zVa6jKKIfmYTPsl8N8scGjzeMtd5a59hX7+Ak bRug== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoousHDwEl0OmFyMR7D3zSCCt1M6Qgsrlkz3UDezNwUuFYGI+WTxhaHYQfsN0ahTYntk3OPsidTb+SisBQ/w== X-Received: by 10.55.147.70 with SMTP id v67mr10611144qkd.32.1469276927643; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 05:28:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.22.146 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 05:28:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3626798A-9358-43E3-B196-44290260BF95@iii.ca> References: <3626798A-9358-43E3-B196-44290260BF95@iii.ca> From: Martin Thomson Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 14:28:47 +0200 Message-ID: To: Cullen Jennings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: Apps Discuss Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] Comment on draft-thomson-http-omnomnom-00 X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 12:28:50 -0000 I agree. The point of the draft was to facilitate a discussion about times and what conditions might be applied to those times (a single value might be difficult to pick across all situations). On 23 July 2016 at 11:37, Cullen Jennings wrote: > So the relevant text of this draft is > > Cookies that are set using insecure channels (i.e., HTTP over > cleartext TCP), MUST have a short time limit on the time that they > are persisted. > > Without specifying what a short time is, this seems like a pretty vacuous MUST. Perhaps an exact value could be provided. > > > > > > From nobody Sun Jul 31 10:23:40 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss@ietf.org Delivered-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A2712B004; Sun, 31 Jul 2016 10:23:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.29.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160731172336.7997.61517.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 10:23:36 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: apps-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg-mdn-3798bis-09.txt X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 17:23:36 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the ART Area General Applications Working Group of the IETF. Title : Message Disposition Notification Authors : Tony Hansen Alexey Melnikov Filename : draft-ietf-appsawg-mdn-3798bis-09.txt Pages : 35 Date : 2016-07-31 Abstract: This memo defines a MIME content-type that may be used by a mail user agent (MUA) or electronic mail gateway to report the disposition of a message after it has been successfully delivered to a recipient. This content-type is intended to be machine-processable. Additional message header fields are also defined to permit Message Disposition Notifications (MDNs) to be requested by the sender of a message. The purpose is to extend Internet Mail to support functionality often found in other messaging systems, such as X.400 and the proprietary "LAN-based" systems, and often referred to as "read receipts," "acknowledgements", or "receipt notifications." The intention is to do this while respecting privacy concerns, which have often been expressed when such functions have been discussed in the past. Because many messages are sent between the Internet and other messaging systems (such as X.400 or the proprietary "LAN-based" systems), the MDN protocol is designed to be useful in a multi- protocol messaging environment. To this end, the protocol described in this memo provides for the carriage of "foreign" addresses, in addition to those normally used in Internet Mail. Additional attributes may also be defined to support "tunneling" of foreign notifications through Internet Mail. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-appsawg-mdn-3798bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-mdn-3798bis-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-appsawg-mdn-3798bis-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Jul 31 11:33:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apps-discuss@ietf.org Delivered-To: apps-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF2A12D594; Sun, 31 Jul 2016 11:33:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.29.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160731183357.7998.17333.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 11:33:57 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: apps-discuss@ietf.org Subject: [apps-discuss] I-D Action: draft-ietf-appsawg-mdn-3798bis-10.txt X-BeenThere: apps-discuss@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: General discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 18:33:57 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the ART Area General Applications Working Group of the IETF. Title : Message Disposition Notification Authors : Tony Hansen Alexey Melnikov Filename : draft-ietf-appsawg-mdn-3798bis-10.txt Pages : 36 Date : 2016-07-31 Abstract: This memo defines a MIME content-type that may be used by a mail user agent (MUA) or electronic mail gateway to report the disposition of a message after it has been successfully delivered to a recipient. This content-type is intended to be machine-processable. Additional message header fields are also defined to permit Message Disposition Notifications (MDNs) to be requested by the sender of a message. The purpose is to extend Internet Mail to support functionality often found in other messaging systems, such as X.400 and the proprietary "LAN-based" systems, and often referred to as "read receipts," "acknowledgements", or "receipt notifications." The intention is to do this while respecting privacy concerns, which have often been expressed when such functions have been discussed in the past. Because many messages are sent between the Internet and other messaging systems (such as X.400 or the proprietary "LAN-based" systems), the MDN protocol is designed to be useful in a multi- protocol messaging environment. To this end, the protocol described in this memo provides for the carriage of "foreign" addresses, in addition to those normally used in Internet Mail. Additional attributes may also be defined to support "tunneling" of foreign notifications through Internet Mail. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-appsawg-mdn-3798bis/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-mdn-3798bis-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-appsawg-mdn-3798bis-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/