From nobody Fri Jul 3 00:00:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: asdf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: asdf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842F23A0DA2 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 00:00:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bu8sVepNwRpD for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 00:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 521F93A0D9F for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 00:00:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.42.112] (p5089ae91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.174.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49yk6g238xzyXh; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:29:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 615446971.185761-283b2a96a45d95fb092ef2582b89e11d Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Message-Id: <36BA8ECD-9288-4919-B9F4-C6A863342331@tzi.org> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 07:29:31 +0200 To: asdf@ietf.org, coinrg@irtf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: [Asdf] [core] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF108: FINAL AGENDA X-BeenThere: asdf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A Semantic Description Format \(SDF\) for Things and their Interactions and Data" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2020 07:00:17 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the FINAL AGENDA for IETF108. Remember that, occasionally, further agenda changes do happen. There has been no change from the DRAFT AGENDA in the Conflicts I noted: LAKE/SUIT (!). ACE/RATS. (I think 6LO/COSE can be ignored.) The only significant change is that LAKE/SUIT/LOOPS has been exchanged with CORE/TLS/TSVWG (Tuesday 1410Z vs. Friday 1100Z). Also, the mysterious HACKATHON has vanished. All times appear to be in UTC, even though nothing says so in the text agenda; https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc gives the same times. This time, I have focused on the events in Week 31; please see the original agenda for Week 30 preliminaries. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten MONDAY, July 27, 2020 1100-1240 Session I Rm 1 ART dispatch Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA Rm 2 IRTF pearg Privacy Enhancements and Assessments Research = Group Rm 5 SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning WG 1300-1350 Session II Rm 2 ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation Maintenance = and Extensions WG Rm 3 INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Rm 6 RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Rm 7 RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG 1410-1550 Session III Rm 1 ART webtrans WebTransport WG Rm 3 IRTF qirg Quantum Internet Research Group Rm 7 SEC gnap Grant Negotiation and Authorization Protocol WG TUESDAY, July 28, 2020 1100-1240 Session I Rm 1 ART *** asdf A Semantic Definition Format for Data and = Interactions of Things BOF Rm 2 INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Rm 3 IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Rm 8 TSV masque Multiplexed Application Substrate over QUIC = Encryption WG 1300-1350 Session II Rm 7 SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG Rm 8 SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG 1410-1550 Session III Rm 1 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Rm 6 SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Rm 7 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG WEDNESDAY, July 29, 2020 1100-1240 Session I Rm 4 RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Rm 5 SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for Constrained = Environments WG Rm 6 SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG Rm 7 TSV quic QUIC WG 1300-1350 Session II Rm 1 INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of Resource-constrained Nodes = WG Rm 4 RTG rift Routing In Fat Trees WG Rm 5 SEC *** cose CBOR Object Signing and Encryption WG Rm 6 TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting 1410-1550 IETF Plenary - Plenary THURSDAY, July 30, 2020 1100-1240 Session I Rm 3 OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and = Approach WG Rm 4 RTG raw Reliable and Available Wireless WG Rm 5 SEC secdispatch Security Dispatch WG Rm 6 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1300-1350 Session II Rm 4 INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks WG Rm 7 SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1410-1550 Session III Rm 2 INT add Adaptive DNS Discovery WG Rm 3 INT *** drip Drone Remote ID Protocol WG Rm 6 SEC acme Automated Certificate Management Environment WG FRIDAY, July 31, 2020 1100-1240 Session I Rm 5 SEC *** lake Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange WG Rm 6 SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things WG Rm 7 TSV loops Local Optimizations on Path Segments BOF 1300-1350 Session II Rm 3 ART wpack Web Packaging WG Rm 4 INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Rm 6 SEC emu EAP Method Update WG 1410-1550 Session III Rm 1 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Rm 4 IRTF coinrg Computing in the Network Research Group Rm 7 SEC privacypass Privacy Pass WG _______________________________________________ core mailing list core@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/core From nobody Tue Jul 28 09:41:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: asdf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: asdf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2426A3A0E29 for ; 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Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED3E38A64; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB531AA; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:41:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: asdf@ietf.org, Niklas Widell cc: Carsten Bormann , Michael Koster In-Reply-To: <9EF8CD80-119D-4748-ABBB-997571667D88@ericsson.com> References: <9EF8CD80-119D-4748-ABBB-997571667D88@ericsson.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Asdf] draft notes from ASDF BOF X-BeenThere: asdf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A Semantic Description Format \(SDF\) for Things and their Interactions and Data" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:41:17 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain I have uploaded the CODIMD notes to: https://github.com/one-data-model/ietf108/blob/master/ietf108-bof-notes.md It's nice that it is all markdown. I will upload it to the DT at the end of the week, so I don't forget. Please review and use the Edit icon, or post to this thread. Prior to the meeting, we had removed the charter text from the github, but it has been restored at: https://github.com/one-data-model/ietf108/blob/master/charter.md I will repost this to the list in another thread. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl8gVSQACgkQgItw+93Q 3WVPMwf+OgGeF9zYvGrA4sxWmQW5h3eWOo/B9sBJCssq1V+Qe4TV9CxIHF7zk5eW YfXDuzfMDNgt9vApQbxyKtSRYy7N8rCmJB2hd9cbG+IscIJ2SOdD+vvVP5LVSgVL bsPccSZm/ZHcyxKy25wel6NayBECL3Ku6prxqeMDS8OY6E7D8tD9JqjU1vQHWUIa 3nkB73GXhzrtKc8qXBIk7nbdwT4I2Z4uhZYJJ6lbyyae3zgdA7MdSrKtQUdPODru FeszP257hGnwEpusfr/Vtc4DUpWE1M0ojiiB4cUeC01a4Yfu3NEDeMmHD8o/Jx2d 1pbZDe4xnDwW1F8zN+y3s1JnJBx8Rw== =02+9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue Jul 28 09:45:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: asdf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: asdf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14CF3A0C7A for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:45:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.136 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.136 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, LONGWORDS=2.035, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xVJdFoN_kPUI for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7283E3A0EA2 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 09:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3E138A66 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id mNEZx8RR0Hb9 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C1E38A64 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B677A1AA for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:44:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: asdf@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Asdf] initial draft charter text X-BeenThere: asdf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A Semantic Description Format \(SDF\) for Things and their Interactions and Data" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:45:02 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable https://github.com/one-data-model/ietf108/blob/master/charter.md Charter proposal for an ASDF WG Name: A Semantic Definition Format for Data and Interactions of Things (ASD= F) Revision: 0.1.0 Background Data and interaction models of IoT devices today exhibit unneeded diversity between different industry ecosystem standards development organizations (SDOs), hindering interoperability across these ecosystems with little discernible benefit from the diversity. Early 2019, One Data Model (OneDM) was started to bring several IoT SDOs and IoT device and platform vendors together under a broad, multi-party liaison agreement, with a goal of arriving at a common set of data and interaction models that describe IoT devices. Ideally, for every class of IoT device, there is just a single mod= el selected/created by the participating organizations, which everyone can adopt. As a common language for writing down these models, the Semantic Definition Format (SDF) was created, which can represent IoT Things, their composition from reusable Objects, their Interaction Affordances (Properties, Actions, Events), and the data models relevant to describe these Affordances. SDF is representing these models in JSON, enabling re-use of specification formats such as CDDL (RFC8610) and the formats proposed at json-schema.org and their tooling, for describing both the SDF format itself and the structure of the data to be modelled in SDF. Some 200 models in SDF format have been contributed by participating ecosystems; new models are being submitted continually. Version 1.0 of the SDF specification was published on the OneDM github repository and as an Internet-Draft. OneDM is now focusing on consolidating the body of submitted models and developing processes for arriving at harmonized models that span different industry ecosystems in a common way; they look towards the IETF f= or developing SDF 1.0 further into a high-quality specification. * ASDF The objective of the ASDF WG will be to work with OneDM and its contributing organizations and develop SDF to an IETF-quality specification for Thing Interaction and Data Modelling. On the way to that specification, further functionality requirements will be addressed that emerge in the usage of SDF for model harmonization. In the process, some smaller pieces may become usable independently from SDF itself and its applications. JSON Path (similar to, but different in scope from JSON Pointer documented in RFC6901) might be an example for such a spin-off specification -- it is currently defined on a website and would benefit from a more formal definition so it can be used in discovery processes involving SDF models. The ASDF WG will work closely with the CBOR WG, home of the CDDL specification. It will also engage the still active mailing list of the dormant JSON WG. Recent proposals to form an IRTF formal description techniques (FDT) Research Group may lead to another collaboration partner. The Thing-to-Thing Research Group (T2TRG) and its WISHI program can be instrumental in engaging researchers and other SDOs in this space, for instance W3C WoT, which is working on Thing Description Templates and relat= ed specifications. =2D- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl8gVf4ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WUgqggAs8fjKsOSn3eWFL7sAgeRkolTaHHJNbde9oI0jR7xFp2WSRO65EZZEnqL zykkeLYEhU3FFGnbD446ANTFlhMK8KAiN+UWbEqLVeBJES+XKzIfFq8mHO3iavjA ZrrKzT9pG0A7X2ey3NiiayZ7gg1BgU2DksOzp2/wT058FE/Xl6VSBLlSUlnLoOSc nS2Erop/lpcYS2Z5g09Yp5jIANKw/QPZAk7uIKqa5Dt0jSMiiqiCitI6y8K8RsR8 gvM0E9AYowdSSXt01qo6PlySKQxuZL1AdbC99jY5ZB8UNoozOHW857X3X7iQeWoH +D0Hrn9PodP0A5/MINipbEkNvrjYnA== =FmiO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue Jul 28 15:22:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: asdf@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: asdf@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497F23A09B8 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:22:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.92 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.92 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FsZRYXXQwh8f for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E375F3A098E for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.116] (p5089ae91.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.174.145]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BGWPg6qrGzysv; Wed, 29 Jul 2020 00:22:15 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <13395.1595954686@localhost> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 00:22:15 +0200 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 617667735.332123-b400132b14b54b020d25169012259147 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1734A8AE-6F3B-4559-9786-BBFC6E19FAF3@tzi.org> References: <13395.1595954686@localhost> To: asdf@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Asdf] initial draft charter text X-BeenThere: asdf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "A Semantic Description Format \(SDF\) for Things and their Interactions and Data" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 22:22:21 -0000 =E2=80=A6 and the first pull request (trying to address Barry=E2=80=99s = comment at the BOF) is out there, too: https://github.com/one-data-model/ietf108/pull/3 Please keep the comments flowing, but I think we should wait a few more = days with making decisions until all mailing list subscriptions from the = BOF and its echo are in. 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