From autoconf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 08 19:48:00 2007 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HFJvP-0006Qt-B5; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:47:39 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HFJvN-0006Ql-JA; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:47:37 -0500 Received: from stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com ([130.76.96.56] helo=stl-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HFJvK-0006uk-02; Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:47:37 -0500 Received: from slb-av-01.boeing.com (slb-av-01.boeing.com [129.172.13.4]) by stl-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/TEST_SMTPIN) with ESMTP id l190l96S029991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:47:31 -0600 (CST) Received: from slb-av-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slb-av-01.boeing.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/DOWNSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id l190l8LC013294; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-11.nw.nos.boeing.com [130.247.55.84]) by slb-av-01.boeing.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/UPSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id l190l6MY013222; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.54.35]) by XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:47:07 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C74BE3.B18C9186" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 16:46:11 -0800 Message-ID: <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A101774696@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: I-D ACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt Thread-Index: AcdL3K8J4LpociWwRmWjSG1e0AipngAAOZvw From: "Templin, Fred L" To: , , "manet" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Feb 2007 00:47:07.0902 (UTC) FILETIME=[D35BD9E0:01C74BE3] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 66ff42a56498684039efb58366a4b354 Cc: "Yi, Seung" , "Chakeres, Ian D" Subject: [Autoconf] FW: I-D ACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: autoconf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C74BE3.B18C9186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable See below for the announcement of a MANET/AUTOCONF proposal. This proposal deals with both IPv4 and IPv6, and introduces a conceptual "virtual ethernet" to which all MANET Routers (MRs) in a MANET connect (see attachment). The virtual ethernet concept is not new, but provides an abstraction of a MANET that is useful for the purposes of address configuration, neighbor discovery, service discovery and duplicate address detection/avoidance. MRs can be considered to embody both a host and router function that communicate over a virtual p2p interface configured over the virtual ethernet.=20 In this model, a MANET router (MR) performs an initial MANET-Local Address (MLA) configuration to obtain an address that is unique within the MANET using a mechanism such as RFC4193 (for IPv6) or a suitable equivalent for IPv4. The MR next engages in the MANET routing protocol and discovers an identity for the virtual ethernet that abstracts the MANET. Next, if a MANET Border Router (MBR) is available, the MR configures global IP addresses and/or prefixes using standard services such as DHCP and IPv6 StateLess Address Auto- Configuration (SLAAC) - although duplicate address detection considerations for SLAAC are for further study. MRs connect to the virtual ethernet via an interface that supports two access methods. The "raw" access method sends IP packets unencapsulated on the underlying MANET interface and may require multiple IP hops to span the MANET. The "cooked" access method sends IP packets encapsulated in an outer IP header such that all nodes connected to the MANET appear as 1-hop neighbors on the virtual ethernet. MRs and MBRs may have aribtrarily-complex networks connected on downstream-attached links which they can provision with IP prefixes obtained by RFC3633 (for IPv6) or a suitable equivalent for IPv4. MRs can use MBRs as default routers to send packets to off-MANET destinations. MRs are "sites" unto themselves, and a MANET is therefore a "site of sites". =20 Comments/questions are welcome, Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com =20 -----Original Message----- From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 3:50 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt=20 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts=20 directories. Title : MANET Autoconfiguration Author(s) : F. Templin, et al. Filename : draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2007-2-8 =09 Mobile Ad-hoc Networks (MANETs) consist of routers operating over wireless links and may or may not connect to other networks. Routers in MANETs that connect to the Internet must have a way to automatically provision globally routable and unique IP addresses/ prefixes. This document specifies mechanisms for MANET autoconfiguration. Both IPv4 and IPv6 are discussed. 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OK, but you might find the draft an interesting read too. > I was wondering one thing. > > If the MRs connect all their egress on only one real subnet, would > configuring MLA addresses as link-local addresses be=20 > equivalent to using ULA addresses cited in your description? Numbering the MR's MANET interfaces with link-local addresses is still in-scope, and may be useful, e.g., for operating the standard IPv6 neighbor discovery protocols. Link-locals may also be useful for numbering virtual interfaces configured over the MANET interfaces if an enhanced (aka, "cooked") view of the entire MANET as a single shared link is desired - the draft notes this as a valid abstraction. But, there are several reasons why configuring ULA's may be beneficial. First, we require a means for procuring unique MLAs as identifiers that can be used to operate the MANET routing protocol (and possibly also as locators for packet forwarding, but link-local addresses are not routeable). Also, in an unenhanced (aka, "raw") view, a MR can be considered a site unto itself, and a MANET therefore can be considered as a peering point between sites. So, use of ULAs which were explicitly designed for this purpose would seem a natural fit. Secondly, MLAs should be either managed for uniqueness or statistically unique to the greatest extent possible to avoid duplication. One way of configuring statistically unique link-local addresses is to use RFC3972 CGAs, which gives 59(?) bits for random assignment. That's pretty good, but configuring a ULA-plus-CGA would give 40+59 bits for random assignment (much better) and a 'draft-jelger'-style ULA-plus-CGA would give 56+59 bits (better still). An additional reason for configuring ULAs is that portions of the ULA prefix that the MR does not use to number its MANET interfaces can be assigned on downstream-attached interfaces. Since a MR can connect anything from a singleton to a large enterprise network, having ample IPv6 prefix space to assign to downstream-attached links could be beneficial for many use cases. But, none of these reasons preclude also using link-locals; rather, link-locals and ULAs could be a "both/and" rather than an "either/or" design alternative.=20 > The link-local addresses are > unique on a link and aren't routable on the Internet either (just like > ULA which in addition may span several links). The draft shows that in an unenhanced view, a MR (and its downstream-attached links) is a "site" unto itself, and a MANET is therefore a "site-of-sites" - so, an unenhanced view of the MANET appears as a multilink peering point between sites and this is the problem space that ULAs were designed to address. The draft also shows that an enhanced view sees the MANET as a single shared link that can use link-local addresses as for any IP link - but, either or both of the enhanced and unenhanced views are valid. =20 > Just one thought. Thanks for it. Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com > Alex >=20 > Templin, Fred L wrote: > > See below for the announcement of a MANET/AUTOCONF proposal. This > > proposal deals with both IPv4 and IPv6, and introduces a conceptual > > "virtual ethernet" to which all MANET Routers (MRs) in a MANET > > connect (see attachment). The virtual ethernet concept is not new, > > but provides an abstraction of a MANET that is useful for the > > purposes of address configuration, neighbor discovery, service > > discovery and duplicate address detection/avoidance. MRs can be > > considered to embody both a host and router function that=20 > communicate > > over a virtual p2p interface configured over the virtual ethernet. > >=20 > > In this model, a MANET router (MR) performs an initial MANET-Local > > Address (MLA) configuration to obtain an address that is unique > > within the MANET using a mechanism such as RFC4193 (for IPv6) or a > > suitable equivalent for IPv4. The MR next engages in the MANET > > routing protocol and discovers an identity for the virtual ethernet > > that abstracts the MANET. Next, if a MANET Border Router (MBR) is > > available, the MR configures global IP addresses and/or prefixes > > using standard services such as DHCP and IPv6 StateLess=20 > Address Auto- > > Configuration (SLAAC) - although duplicate address detection=20 > > considerations for SLAAC are for further study. > >=20 > > MRs connect to the virtual ethernet via an interface that supports > > two access methods. The "raw" access method sends IP packets > > unencapsulated on the underlying MANET interface and may require > > multiple IP hops to span the MANET. The "cooked" access method sends > > IP packets encapsulated in an outer IP header such that all nodes > > connected to the MANET appear as 1-hop neighbors on the virtual > > ethernet. > >=20 > > MRs and MBRs may have aribtrarily-complex networks connected on > > downstream-attached links which they can provision with IP prefixes > > obtained by RFC3633 (for IPv6) or a suitable equivalent for=20 > IPv4. MRs > > can use MBRs as default routers to send packets to off-MANET > > destinations. MRs are "sites" unto themselves, and a MANET is > > therefore a "site of sites". > >=20 > > Comments/questions are welcome, > >=20 > > Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com > >=20 > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org > > [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 > > 3:50 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D > > ACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt > >=20 > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts=20 > > directories. > >=20 > >=20 > > Title : MANET Autoconfiguration Author(s)=09 > : F. Templin, et al.=20 > > Filename : draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt Pages=09 > : 14 Date : > > 2007-2-8 Mobile Ad-hoc Networks (MANETs) consist of routers > > operating over wireless links and may or may not connect to other > > networks. Routers in MANETs that connect to the Internet=20 > must have a > > way to automatically provision globally routable and unique IP > > addresses/ prefixes. This document specifies mechanisms for MANET=20 > > autoconfiguration. Both IPv4 and IPv6 are discussed. > >=20 > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is:=20 > >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt > >=20 > >=20 > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body > > of the message. You can also visit > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to change your > > subscription settings. > >=20 > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the=20 > > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After=20 > > logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get > > draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt". > >=20 > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in=20 > > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > >=20 > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > >=20 > > Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE > > /internet-drafts/draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt". =20 > NOTE: The mail > > server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by > > using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command > > "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the > > response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant=20 > mail reader. > > Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, > > especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. > > documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check > > your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. > >=20 > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader=20 > > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the=20 > > Internet-Draft. > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ Manemo mailing list=20 > > Manemo@mobileip.jp http://www.mobileip.jp/mailman/listinfo/manemo >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Autoconf mailing list Autoconf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf From autoconf-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 19 10:08:09 2007 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HJA7T-0003MN-FH; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:07:59 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HJA7S-0003ME-AX; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:07:58 -0500 Received: from tayrelbas01.tay.hp.com ([161.114.80.244]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HJA7J-0001RU-Nv; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:07:58 -0500 Received: from tayexg12.americas.cpqcorp.net (tayexg12.americas.cpqcorp.net [16.103.130.127]) by tayrelbas01.tay.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED7A3401E; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:07:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from tayexc14.americas.cpqcorp.net ([16.103.130.45]) by tayexg12.americas.cpqcorp.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:07:47 -0500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Autoconf] RE: [Manemo] FW: I-DACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:07:44 -0500 Message-ID: <816DD9299957E547B5D758D7F977D6DC0163A44A@tayexc14.americas.cpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A1017746F4@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Autoconf] RE: [Manemo] FW: I-DACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt Thread-index: AcdSkJtfO/3YvJqwRWOtv5GG7YGNuwAFFFuAAGQiKGA= References: <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A101774696@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com><45D6F741.7000506@motorola.com> <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A1017746F4@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> From: "Bound, Jim" To: "Templin, Fred L" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2007 15:07:47.0029 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6CED050:01C75437] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: ba0d4c5f57f7c289496fce758bbf4798 Cc: autoconf@ietf.org, manemo@mobileip.jp, "Chakeres, Ian D" , manet@ietf.org, "Yi, Seung" X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: autoconf-bounces@ietf.org Fred, I have read your draft in depth once. Still parsing. Overall I think there is far to much state but that may be required in reality. Do not support your using CGA because to much IPR in real life for vendors to absorb (not just vendors here but SDR and Radio Net vendors you and I know all to well :--)), and there are no vendors coming on board to use CGA at this time, but this is less of an IETF comment and more of a if this happens this won't work (e.g. CGA) IMHO. I think optimization from manemo discussion perspective is also the use of NA and NS from node directly too in addition to RS and RA annoucements. I do like the DHCP enhancement but need to go through what that means and for an ad hoc net having such a server will not always be possible (e.g. Fire Dept appearing on 911 scene, NATO bluelight or 101st airborne spec ops mission), but if enhanced with MESH network properties that is very possible. But then we could put very small server on microprocessor I guess :--). I like the term virtual ethernet but believe subnetting is important for large ad hoc network, and think that would add value to the spec to distribute nodes across a large ad hoc network and manemo has ideas on this too that impact NEMO. I was not clear I could apply NEMO architecture to the autoconf architecture, which I think is important. ULA is fine for intra MLA communications but nodes will require global addresses to obtain peer-to-peer to external networks via MBRs (my assumption here?) and that was not clear to me how that happens in your draft but need to keep reading :--). This is good work and manemo needs to parse what you and other authors are proposing in AUTOCONF. I had to get off AUTOCONF list did not find it useful is your work achieving consensus in the WG as working group draft item? I don't mind jumping back into AUTOCONF list if they are moving forward with solution architectures as opposed to brain storming? I believe one outcome of manemo is autoconfiguration thus might require some collaboration with you and others within AUTOCONF or we come to AUTOCONF and roll up our sleeves? Good work/spec as always Fred, and way better than what we have for today in real life for ad hoc nets. Thanks /jim=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Templin, Fred L [mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com]=20 > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:08 PM > To: alexandru.petrescu@motorola.com > Cc: autoconf@ietf.org; Yi, Seung; Chakeres, Ian D;=20 > manet@ietf.org; manemo@mobileip.jp > Subject: [Autoconf] RE: [Manemo] FW:=20 > I-DACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt >=20 > Hi Alex,=20 >=20 > > Hi Fred, I quickly looked over the description below, not to the > draft. >=20 > OK, but you might find the draft an interesting read too. >=20 > > I was wondering one thing. > > > > If the MRs connect all their egress on only one real subnet, would=20 > > configuring MLA addresses as link-local addresses be equivalent to=20 > > using ULA addresses cited in your description? >=20 > Numbering the MR's MANET interfaces with link-local addresses=20 > is still in-scope, and may be useful, e.g., for operating the=20 > standard IPv6 neighbor discovery protocols. Link-locals may=20 > also be useful for numbering virtual interfaces configured=20 > over the MANET interfaces if an enhanced (aka, "cooked") view=20 > of the entire MANET as a single shared link is desired - the=20 > draft notes this as a valid abstraction. But, there are=20 > several reasons why configuring ULA's may be beneficial. >=20 > First, we require a means for procuring unique MLAs as=20 > identifiers that can be used to operate the MANET routing=20 > protocol (and possibly also as locators for packet=20 > forwarding, but link-local addresses are not routeable).=20 > Also, in an unenhanced (aka, "raw") view, a MR can be=20 > considered a site unto itself, and a MANET therefore can be=20 > considered as a peering point between sites. So, use of ULAs=20 > which were explicitly designed for this purpose would seem a=20 > natural fit. >=20 > Secondly, MLAs should be either managed for uniqueness or=20 > statistically unique to the greatest extent possible to avoid=20 > duplication. One way of configuring statistically unique=20 > link-local addresses is to use RFC3972 CGAs, which gives=20 > 59(?) bits for random assignment. That's pretty good, but=20 > configuring a ULA-plus-CGA would give 40+59 bits for random=20 > assignment (much better) and a 'draft-jelger'-style=20 > ULA-plus-CGA would give 56+59 bits (better still). >=20 > An additional reason for configuring ULAs is that portions of=20 > the ULA prefix that the MR does not use to number its MANET=20 > interfaces can be assigned on downstream-attached interfaces.=20 > Since a MR can connect anything from a singleton to a large=20 > enterprise network, having ample IPv6 prefix space to assign=20 > to downstream-attached links could be beneficial for many use cases. >=20 > But, none of these reasons preclude also using link-locals;=20 > rather, link-locals and ULAs could be a "both/and" rather=20 > than an "either/or" design alternative.=20 >=20 > > The link-local addresses are > > unique on a link and aren't routable on the Internet either=20 > (just like=20 > > ULA which in addition may span several links). >=20 > The draft shows that in an unenhanced view, a MR (and its=20 > downstream-attached links) is a "site" unto itself, and a=20 > MANET is therefore a "site-of-sites" - so, an unenhanced view=20 > of the MANET appears as a multilink peering point between=20 > sites and this is the problem space that ULAs were designed=20 > to address. The draft also shows that an enhanced view sees=20 > the MANET as a single shared link that can use link-local=20 > addresses as for any IP link - but, either or both of the=20 > enhanced and unenhanced views are valid. > =20 > > Just one thought. >=20 > Thanks for it. >=20 > Fred > fred.l.templin@boeing.com >=20 > > Alex > >=20 > > Templin, Fred L wrote: > > > See below for the announcement of a MANET/AUTOCONF proposal. This=20 > > > proposal deals with both IPv4 and IPv6, and introduces a=20 > conceptual=20 > > > "virtual ethernet" to which all MANET Routers (MRs) in a MANET=20 > > > connect (see attachment). The virtual ethernet concept is=20 > not new,=20 > > > but provides an abstraction of a MANET that is useful for the=20 > > > purposes of address configuration, neighbor discovery, service=20 > > > discovery and duplicate address detection/avoidance. MRs can be=20 > > > considered to embody both a host and router function that > > communicate > > > over a virtual p2p interface configured over the virtual ethernet. > > >=20 > > > In this model, a MANET router (MR) performs an initial=20 > MANET-Local=20 > > > Address (MLA) configuration to obtain an address that is unique=20 > > > within the MANET using a mechanism such as RFC4193 (for=20 > IPv6) or a=20 > > > suitable equivalent for IPv4. The MR next engages in the MANET=20 > > > routing protocol and discovers an identity for the=20 > virtual ethernet=20 > > > that abstracts the MANET. Next, if a MANET Border Router (MBR) is=20 > > > available, the MR configures global IP addresses and/or prefixes=20 > > > using standard services such as DHCP and IPv6 StateLess > > Address Auto- > > > Configuration (SLAAC) - although duplicate address detection=20 > > > considerations for SLAAC are for further study. > > >=20 > > > MRs connect to the virtual ethernet via an interface that=20 > supports=20 > > > two access methods. The "raw" access method sends IP packets=20 > > > unencapsulated on the underlying MANET interface and may require=20 > > > multiple IP hops to span the MANET. The "cooked" access=20 > method sends=20 > > > IP packets encapsulated in an outer IP header such that all nodes=20 > > > connected to the MANET appear as 1-hop neighbors on the virtual=20 > > > ethernet. > > >=20 > > > MRs and MBRs may have aribtrarily-complex networks connected on=20 > > > downstream-attached links which they can provision with=20 > IP prefixes=20 > > > obtained by RFC3633 (for IPv6) or a suitable equivalent for > > IPv4. MRs > > > can use MBRs as default routers to send packets to off-MANET=20 > > > destinations. MRs are "sites" unto themselves, and a MANET is=20 > > > therefore a "site of sites". > > >=20 > > > Comments/questions are welcome, > > >=20 > > > Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org=20 > > > [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] Sent: Thursday,=20 > February 08, 2007=20 > > > 3:50 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D=20 > > > ACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt > > >=20 > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line=20 > Internet-Drafts=20 > > > directories. > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Title : MANET Autoconfiguration Author(s)=09 > > : F. Templin, et al.=20 > > > Filename : draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt Pages=09 > > : 14 Date : > > > 2007-2-8 Mobile Ad-hoc Networks (MANETs) consist of routers=20 > > > operating over wireless links and may or may not connect to other=20 > > > networks. Routers in MANETs that connect to the Internet > > must have a > > > way to automatically provision globally routable and unique IP=20 > > > addresses/ prefixes. This document specifies mechanisms=20 > for MANET=20 > > > autoconfiguration. Both IPv4 and IPv6 are discussed. > > >=20 > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is:=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a=20 > message to =20 > > > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe=20 > in the body=20 > > > of the message. You can also visit=20 > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to=20 > change your=20 > > > subscription settings. > > >=20 > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP.=20 > Login with the=20 > > > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After=20 > > > logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get=20 > > > draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt". > > >=20 > > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in=20 > > > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or=20 > > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > >=20 > > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > >=20 > > > Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE=20 > > > /internet-drafts/draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt". > > NOTE: The mail > > > server at ietf.org can return the document in=20 > MIME-encoded form by=20 > > > using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert=20 > the command=20 > > > "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. 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I was getting ready to send out an update that includes NA/NS as well as RA/RS, and based on your comments can also relax the CGA language. Also, DHCP may not be the only way, but DAD considerations for SLAAC need further study. I do not know whether the autoconf group will pick this up as a wg item but will keep on with an individual sub until told otherwise. Hope the work will be useful in whatever context. Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Bound, Jim [mailto:Jim.Bound@hp.com]=20 > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:08 AM > To: Templin, Fred L; alexandru.petrescu@motorola.com > Cc: autoconf@ietf.org; Yi, Seung; Chakeres, Ian D;=20 > manet@ietf.org; manemo@mobileip.jp > Subject: RE: [Autoconf] RE: [Manemo] FW:=20 > I-DACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt >=20 > Fred, >=20 > I have read your draft in depth once. Still parsing. Overall I think > there is far to much state but that may be required in reality. Do not > support your using CGA because to much IPR in real life for vendors to > absorb (not just vendors here but SDR and Radio Net vendors you and I > know all to well :--)), and there are no vendors coming on=20 > board to use > CGA at this time, but this is less of an IETF comment and more of a if > this happens this won't work (e.g. CGA) IMHO. I think=20 > optimization from > manemo discussion perspective is also the use of NA and NS from node > directly too in addition to RS and RA annoucements. I do=20 > like the DHCP > enhancement but need to go through what that means and for an=20 > ad hoc net > having such a server will not always be possible (e.g. Fire Dept > appearing on 911 scene, NATO bluelight or 101st airborne spec ops > mission), but if enhanced with MESH network properties that is very > possible. But then we could put very small server on microprocessor I > guess :--). I like the term virtual ethernet but believe=20 > subnetting is > important for large ad hoc network, and think that would add value to > the spec to distribute nodes across a large ad hoc network and manemo > has ideas on this too that impact NEMO. I was not clear I could apply > NEMO architecture to the autoconf architecture, which I think is > important. ULA is fine for intra MLA communications but nodes will > require global addresses to obtain peer-to-peer to external=20 > networks via > MBRs (my assumption here?) and that was not clear to me how=20 > that happens > in your draft but need to keep reading :--). >=20 > This is good work and manemo needs to parse what you and other authors > are proposing in AUTOCONF. I had to get off AUTOCONF list=20 > did not find > it useful is your work achieving consensus in the WG as working group > draft item? I don't mind jumping back into AUTOCONF list if they are > moving forward with solution architectures as opposed to=20 > brain storming? > I believe one outcome of manemo is autoconfiguration thus=20 > might require > some collaboration with you and others within AUTOCONF or we come to > AUTOCONF and roll up our sleeves? >=20 > Good work/spec as always Fred, and way better than what we have for > today in real life for ad hoc nets. >=20 > Thanks > /jim=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Templin, Fred L [mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com]=20 > > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:08 PM > > To: alexandru.petrescu@motorola.com > > Cc: autoconf@ietf.org; Yi, Seung; Chakeres, Ian D;=20 > > manet@ietf.org; manemo@mobileip.jp > > Subject: [Autoconf] RE: [Manemo] FW:=20 > > I-DACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt > >=20 > > Hi Alex,=20 > >=20 > > > Hi Fred, I quickly looked over the description below, not to the > > draft. > >=20 > > OK, but you might find the draft an interesting read too. > >=20 > > > I was wondering one thing. > > > > > > If the MRs connect all their egress on only one real=20 > subnet, would=20 > > > configuring MLA addresses as link-local addresses be=20 > equivalent to=20 > > > using ULA addresses cited in your description? > >=20 > > Numbering the MR's MANET interfaces with link-local addresses=20 > > is still in-scope, and may be useful, e.g., for operating the=20 > > standard IPv6 neighbor discovery protocols. Link-locals may=20 > > also be useful for numbering virtual interfaces configured=20 > > over the MANET interfaces if an enhanced (aka, "cooked") view=20 > > of the entire MANET as a single shared link is desired - the=20 > > draft notes this as a valid abstraction. But, there are=20 > > several reasons why configuring ULA's may be beneficial. > >=20 > > First, we require a means for procuring unique MLAs as=20 > > identifiers that can be used to operate the MANET routing=20 > > protocol (and possibly also as locators for packet=20 > > forwarding, but link-local addresses are not routeable).=20 > > Also, in an unenhanced (aka, "raw") view, a MR can be=20 > > considered a site unto itself, and a MANET therefore can be=20 > > considered as a peering point between sites. So, use of ULAs=20 > > which were explicitly designed for this purpose would seem a=20 > > natural fit. > >=20 > > Secondly, MLAs should be either managed for uniqueness or=20 > > statistically unique to the greatest extent possible to avoid=20 > > duplication. One way of configuring statistically unique=20 > > link-local addresses is to use RFC3972 CGAs, which gives=20 > > 59(?) bits for random assignment. That's pretty good, but=20 > > configuring a ULA-plus-CGA would give 40+59 bits for random=20 > > assignment (much better) and a 'draft-jelger'-style=20 > > ULA-plus-CGA would give 56+59 bits (better still). > >=20 > > An additional reason for configuring ULAs is that portions of=20 > > the ULA prefix that the MR does not use to number its MANET=20 > > interfaces can be assigned on downstream-attached interfaces.=20 > > Since a MR can connect anything from a singleton to a large=20 > > enterprise network, having ample IPv6 prefix space to assign=20 > > to downstream-attached links could be beneficial for many use cases. > >=20 > > But, none of these reasons preclude also using link-locals;=20 > > rather, link-locals and ULAs could be a "both/and" rather=20 > > than an "either/or" design alternative.=20 > >=20 > > > The link-local addresses are > > > unique on a link and aren't routable on the Internet either=20 > > (just like=20 > > > ULA which in addition may span several links). > >=20 > > The draft shows that in an unenhanced view, a MR (and its=20 > > downstream-attached links) is a "site" unto itself, and a=20 > > MANET is therefore a "site-of-sites" - so, an unenhanced view=20 > > of the MANET appears as a multilink peering point between=20 > > sites and this is the problem space that ULAs were designed=20 > > to address. The draft also shows that an enhanced view sees=20 > > the MANET as a single shared link that can use link-local=20 > > addresses as for any IP link - but, either or both of the=20 > > enhanced and unenhanced views are valid. > > =20 > > > Just one thought. > >=20 > > Thanks for it. > >=20 > > Fred > > fred.l.templin@boeing.com > >=20 > > > Alex > > >=20 > > > Templin, Fred L wrote: > > > > See below for the announcement of a MANET/AUTOCONF=20 > proposal. This=20 > > > > proposal deals with both IPv4 and IPv6, and introduces a=20 > > conceptual=20 > > > > "virtual ethernet" to which all MANET Routers (MRs) in a MANET=20 > > > > connect (see attachment). The virtual ethernet concept is=20 > > not new,=20 > > > > but provides an abstraction of a MANET that is useful for the=20 > > > > purposes of address configuration, neighbor discovery, service=20 > > > > discovery and duplicate address detection/avoidance. MRs can be=20 > > > > considered to embody both a host and router function that > > > communicate > > > > over a virtual p2p interface configured over the=20 > virtual ethernet. > > > >=20 > > > > In this model, a MANET router (MR) performs an initial=20 > > MANET-Local=20 > > > > Address (MLA) configuration to obtain an address that is unique=20 > > > > within the MANET using a mechanism such as RFC4193 (for=20 > > IPv6) or a=20 > > > > suitable equivalent for IPv4. The MR next engages in the MANET=20 > > > > routing protocol and discovers an identity for the=20 > > virtual ethernet=20 > > > > that abstracts the MANET. Next, if a MANET Border=20 > Router (MBR) is=20 > > > > available, the MR configures global IP addresses and/or=20 > prefixes=20 > > > > using standard services such as DHCP and IPv6 StateLess > > > Address Auto- > > > > Configuration (SLAAC) - although duplicate address detection=20 > > > > considerations for SLAAC are for further study. > > > >=20 > > > > MRs connect to the virtual ethernet via an interface that=20 > > supports=20 > > > > two access methods. The "raw" access method sends IP packets=20 > > > > unencapsulated on the underlying MANET interface and=20 > may require=20 > > > > multiple IP hops to span the MANET. The "cooked" access=20 > > method sends=20 > > > > IP packets encapsulated in an outer IP header such that=20 > all nodes=20 > > > > connected to the MANET appear as 1-hop neighbors on the virtual=20 > > > > ethernet. > > > >=20 > > > > MRs and MBRs may have aribtrarily-complex networks connected on=20 > > > > downstream-attached links which they can provision with=20 > > IP prefixes=20 > > > > obtained by RFC3633 (for IPv6) or a suitable equivalent for > > > IPv4. MRs > > > > can use MBRs as default routers to send packets to off-MANET=20 > > > > destinations. MRs are "sites" unto themselves, and a MANET is=20 > > > > therefore a "site of sites". > > > >=20 > > > > Comments/questions are welcome, > > > >=20 > > > > Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org=20 > > > > [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] Sent: Thursday,=20 > > February 08, 2007=20 > > > > 3:50 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D=20 > > > > ACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt > > > >=20 > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line=20 > > Internet-Drafts=20 > > > > directories. > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Title : MANET Autoconfiguration Author(s)=09 > > > : F. Templin, et al.=20 > > > > Filename : draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt Pages=09 > > > : 14 Date : > > > > 2007-2-8 Mobile Ad-hoc Networks (MANETs) consist of routers=20 > > > > operating over wireless links and may or may not=20 > connect to other=20 > > > > networks. Routers in MANETs that connect to the Internet > > > must have a > > > > way to automatically provision globally routable and unique IP=20 > > > > addresses/ prefixes. This document specifies mechanisms=20 > > for MANET=20 > > > > autoconfiguration. Both IPv4 and IPv6 are discussed. > > > >=20 > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is:=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a=20 > > message to =20 > > > > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe=20 > > in the body=20 > > > > of the message. You can also visit=20 > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to=20 > > change your=20 > > > > subscription settings. > > > >=20 > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP.=20 > > Login with the=20 > > > > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail=20 > address. After=20 > > > > logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get=20 > > > > draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt". > > > >=20 > > > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in=20 > > > > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or=20 > > > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > >=20 > > > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > > >=20 > > > > Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE=20 > > > > /internet-drafts/draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt". > > > NOTE: The mail > > > > server at ietf.org can return the document in=20 > > MIME-encoded form by=20 > > > > using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert=20 > > the command=20 > > > > "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the=20 > > > > response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant > > > mail reader. > > > > Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different=20 > behavior,=20 > > > > especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. > > > > documents which have been split up into multiple=20 > > messages), so check=20 > > > > your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. > > > >=20 > > > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant=20 > mail reader=20 > > > > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII=20 > version of the=20 > > > > Internet-Draft. > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------- > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > _______________________________________________ Manemo=20 > > mailing list=20 > > > > Manemo@mobileip.jp=20 > http://www.mobileip.jp/mailman/listinfo/manemo > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Autoconf mailing list > > Autoconf@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf > >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Autoconf mailing list Autoconf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf From autoconf-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 19 10:24:26 2007 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HJANO-0002Sv-Rd; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:24:26 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HJANN-0002Se-LM; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:24:25 -0500 Received: from tayrelbas01.tay.hp.com ([161.114.80.244]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HJANH-0005Jz-W7; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:24:25 -0500 Received: from tayexg12.americas.cpqcorp.net (tayexg12.americas.cpqcorp.net [16.103.130.127]) by tayrelbas01.tay.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165CC3401E; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from tayexc14.americas.cpqcorp.net ([16.103.130.45]) by tayexg12.americas.cpqcorp.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:24:19 -0500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Autoconf] RE: [Manemo] FW: I-DACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 10:24:17 -0500 Message-ID: <816DD9299957E547B5D758D7F977D6DC0163A469@tayexc14.americas.cpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A1017746F7@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Autoconf] RE: [Manemo] FW: I-DACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt Thread-index: AcdSkJtfO/3YvJqwRWOtv5GG7YGNuwAFFFuAAGQiKGAAALZKwAAAXewA References: <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A101774696@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com><45D6F741.7000506@motorola.com> <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A1017746F4@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> <816DD9299957E547B5D758D7F977D6DC0163A44A@tayexc14.americas.cpqcorp.net> <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A1017746F7@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> From: "Bound, Jim" To: "Templin, Fred L" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2007 15:24:19.0529 (UTC) FILETIME=[06624B90:01C7543A] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b058151374d77ee76edaac850f7449fb Cc: autoconf@ietf.org, manemo@mobileip.jp, "Chakeres, Ian D" , manet@ietf.org, "Yi, Seung" X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: autoconf-bounces@ietf.org Hi Fred, Thanks. Good point on the SLAAC.....missed that at my end. Well seems like good work from my end and checking in on autconf specs. Glad you have the IETF fortitude still :--). Thanks /jim=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Templin, Fred L [mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com]=20 > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 10:18 AM > To: Bound, Jim; alexandru.petrescu@motorola.com > Cc: autoconf@ietf.org; Yi, Seung; Chakeres, Ian D;=20 > manet@ietf.org; manemo@mobileip.jp > Subject: RE: [Autoconf] RE: [Manemo] FW:=20 > I-DACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt >=20 > Hi Jim, >=20 > Thanks for the comments. I was getting ready to send out an=20 > update that includes NA/NS as well as RA/RS, and based on=20 > your comments can also relax the CGA language. Also, DHCP may=20 > not be the only way, but DAD considerations for SLAAC need=20 > further study. >=20 > I do not know whether the autoconf group will pick this up as=20 > a wg item but will keep on with an individual sub until told=20 > otherwise. Hope the work will be useful in whatever context. >=20 > Fred > fred.l.templin@boeing.com >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bound, Jim [mailto:Jim.Bound@hp.com] > > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 7:08 AM > > To: Templin, Fred L; alexandru.petrescu@motorola.com > > Cc: autoconf@ietf.org; Yi, Seung; Chakeres, Ian D; manet@ietf.org;=20 > > manemo@mobileip.jp > > Subject: RE: [Autoconf] RE: [Manemo] FW:=20 > > I-DACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt > >=20 > > Fred, > >=20 > > I have read your draft in depth once. Still parsing. =20 > Overall I think=20 > > there is far to much state but that may be required in=20 > reality. Do not=20 > > support your using CGA because to much IPR in real life for=20 > vendors to=20 > > absorb (not just vendors here but SDR and Radio Net vendors=20 > you and I=20 > > know all to well :--)), and there are no vendors coming on board to=20 > > use CGA at this time, but this is less of an IETF comment=20 > and more of=20 > > a if this happens this won't work (e.g. CGA) IMHO. I think=20 > > optimization from manemo discussion perspective is also the=20 > use of NA=20 > > and NS from node directly too in addition to RS and RA=20 > annoucements. =20 > > I do like the DHCP enhancement but need to go through what=20 > that means=20 > > and for an ad hoc net having such a server will not always=20 > be possible=20 > > (e.g. Fire Dept appearing on 911 scene, NATO bluelight or 101st=20 > > airborne spec ops mission), but if enhanced with MESH network=20 > > properties that is very possible. But then we could put very small=20 > > server on microprocessor I guess :--). I like the term virtual=20 > > ethernet but believe subnetting is important for large ad=20 > hoc network,=20 > > and think that would add value to the spec to distribute=20 > nodes across=20 > > a large ad hoc network and manemo has ideas on this too that impact=20 > > NEMO. I was not clear I could apply NEMO architecture to=20 > the autoconf=20 > > architecture, which I think is important. ULA is fine for intra MLA=20 > > communications but nodes will require global addresses to obtain=20 > > peer-to-peer to external networks via MBRs (my assumption=20 > here?) and=20 > > that was not clear to me how that happens in your draft but need to=20 > > keep reading :--). > >=20 > > This is good work and manemo needs to parse what you and=20 > other authors=20 > > are proposing in AUTOCONF. I had to get off AUTOCONF list did not=20 > > find it useful is your work achieving consensus in the WG=20 > as working=20 > > group draft item? I don't mind jumping back into AUTOCONF list if=20 > > they are moving forward with solution architectures as opposed to=20 > > brain storming? > > I believe one outcome of manemo is autoconfiguration thus might=20 > > require some collaboration with you and others within=20 > AUTOCONF or we=20 > > come to AUTOCONF and roll up our sleeves? > >=20 > > Good work/spec as always Fred, and way better than what we have for=20 > > today in real life for ad hoc nets. > >=20 > > Thanks > > /jim > >=20 > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Templin, Fred L [mailto:Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:08 PM > > > To: alexandru.petrescu@motorola.com > > > Cc: autoconf@ietf.org; Yi, Seung; Chakeres, Ian D;=20 > manet@ietf.org;=20 > > > manemo@mobileip.jp > > > Subject: [Autoconf] RE: [Manemo] FW:=20 > > > I-DACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt > > >=20 > > > Hi Alex, > > >=20 > > > > Hi Fred, I quickly looked over the description below, not to the > > > draft. > > >=20 > > > OK, but you might find the draft an interesting read too. > > >=20 > > > > I was wondering one thing. > > > > > > > > If the MRs connect all their egress on only one real > > subnet, would > > > > configuring MLA addresses as link-local addresses be > > equivalent to > > > > using ULA addresses cited in your description? > > >=20 > > > Numbering the MR's MANET interfaces with link-local addresses is=20 > > > still in-scope, and may be useful, e.g., for operating=20 > the standard=20 > > > IPv6 neighbor discovery protocols. Link-locals may also be useful=20 > > > for numbering virtual interfaces configured over the MANET=20 > > > interfaces if an enhanced (aka, "cooked") view of the=20 > entire MANET=20 > > > as a single shared link is desired - the draft notes this=20 > as a valid=20 > > > abstraction. But, there are several reasons why configuring ULA's=20 > > > may be beneficial. > > >=20 > > > First, we require a means for procuring unique MLAs as=20 > identifiers=20 > > > that can be used to operate the MANET routing protocol=20 > (and possibly=20 > > > also as locators for packet forwarding, but link-local=20 > addresses are=20 > > > not routeable). > > > Also, in an unenhanced (aka, "raw") view, a MR can be=20 > considered a=20 > > > site unto itself, and a MANET therefore can be considered as a=20 > > > peering point between sites. So, use of ULAs which were=20 > explicitly=20 > > > designed for this purpose would seem a natural fit. > > >=20 > > > Secondly, MLAs should be either managed for uniqueness or=20 > > > statistically unique to the greatest extent possible to avoid=20 > > > duplication. One way of configuring statistically unique=20 > link-local=20 > > > addresses is to use RFC3972 CGAs, which gives > > > 59(?) bits for random assignment. That's pretty good, but=20 > > > configuring a ULA-plus-CGA would give 40+59 bits for random=20 > > > assignment (much better) and a 'draft-jelger'-style ULA-plus-CGA=20 > > > would give 56+59 bits (better still). > > >=20 > > > An additional reason for configuring ULAs is that portions of the=20 > > > ULA prefix that the MR does not use to number its MANET=20 > interfaces=20 > > > can be assigned on downstream-attached interfaces. > > > Since a MR can connect anything from a singleton to a large=20 > > > enterprise network, having ample IPv6 prefix space to assign to=20 > > > downstream-attached links could be beneficial for many use cases. > > >=20 > > > But, none of these reasons preclude also using=20 > link-locals; rather,=20 > > > link-locals and ULAs could be a "both/and" rather than an=20 > > > "either/or" design alternative. > > >=20 > > > > The link-local addresses are > > > > unique on a link and aren't routable on the Internet either > > > (just like > > > > ULA which in addition may span several links). > > >=20 > > > The draft shows that in an unenhanced view, a MR (and its=20 > > > downstream-attached links) is a "site" unto itself, and a=20 > MANET is=20 > > > therefore a "site-of-sites" - so, an unenhanced view of the MANET=20 > > > appears as a multilink peering point between sites and=20 > this is the=20 > > > problem space that ULAs were designed to address. The draft also=20 > > > shows that an enhanced view sees the MANET as a single=20 > shared link=20 > > > that can use link-local addresses as for any IP link -=20 > but, either=20 > > > or both of the enhanced and unenhanced views are valid. > > > =20 > > > > Just one thought. > > >=20 > > > Thanks for it. > > >=20 > > > Fred > > > fred.l.templin@boeing.com > > >=20 > > > > Alex > > > >=20 > > > > Templin, Fred L wrote: > > > > > See below for the announcement of a MANET/AUTOCONF > > proposal. This > > > > > proposal deals with both IPv4 and IPv6, and introduces a > > > conceptual > > > > > "virtual ethernet" to which all MANET Routers (MRs)=20 > in a MANET=20 > > > > > connect (see attachment). The virtual ethernet concept is > > > not new, > > > > > but provides an abstraction of a MANET that is useful for the=20 > > > > > purposes of address configuration, neighbor=20 > discovery, service=20 > > > > > discovery and duplicate address detection/avoidance.=20 > MRs can be=20 > > > > > considered to embody both a host and router function that > > > > communicate > > > > > over a virtual p2p interface configured over the > > virtual ethernet. > > > > >=20 > > > > > In this model, a MANET router (MR) performs an initial > > > MANET-Local > > > > > Address (MLA) configuration to obtain an address that=20 > is unique=20 > > > > > within the MANET using a mechanism such as RFC4193 (for > > > IPv6) or a > > > > > suitable equivalent for IPv4. The MR next engages in=20 > the MANET=20 > > > > > routing protocol and discovers an identity for the > > > virtual ethernet > > > > > that abstracts the MANET. Next, if a MANET Border > > Router (MBR) is > > > > > available, the MR configures global IP addresses and/or > > prefixes > > > > > using standard services such as DHCP and IPv6 StateLess > > > > Address Auto- > > > > > Configuration (SLAAC) - although duplicate address detection=20 > > > > > considerations for SLAAC are for further study. > > > > >=20 > > > > > MRs connect to the virtual ethernet via an interface that > > > supports > > > > > two access methods. The "raw" access method sends IP packets=20 > > > > > unencapsulated on the underlying MANET interface and > > may require > > > > > multiple IP hops to span the MANET. The "cooked" access > > > method sends > > > > > IP packets encapsulated in an outer IP header such that > > all nodes > > > > > connected to the MANET appear as 1-hop neighbors on=20 > the virtual=20 > > > > > ethernet. > > > > >=20 > > > > > MRs and MBRs may have aribtrarily-complex networks=20 > connected on=20 > > > > > downstream-attached links which they can provision with > > > IP prefixes > > > > > obtained by RFC3633 (for IPv6) or a suitable equivalent for > > > > IPv4. MRs > > > > > can use MBRs as default routers to send packets to off-MANET=20 > > > > > destinations. MRs are "sites" unto themselves, and a MANET is=20 > > > > > therefore a "site of sites". > > > > >=20 > > > > > Comments/questions are welcome, > > > > >=20 > > > > > Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org=20 > > > > > [mailto:Internet-Drafts@ietf.org] Sent: Thursday, > > > February 08, 2007 > > > > > 3:50 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Subject: I-D=20 > > > > > ACTION:draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt > > > > >=20 > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line > > > Internet-Drafts > > > > > directories. > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > Title : MANET Autoconfiguration Author(s)=09 > > > > : F. Templin, et al.=20 > > > > > Filename : draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt Pages=09 > > > > : 14 Date : > > > > > 2007-2-8 Mobile Ad-hoc Networks (MANETs) consist of routers=20 > > > > > operating over wireless links and may or may not > > connect to other > > > > > networks. Routers in MANETs that connect to the Internet > > > > must have a > > > > > way to automatically provision globally routable and=20 > unique IP=20 > > > > > addresses/ prefixes. This document specifies mechanisms > > > for MANET > > > > > autoconfiguration. Both IPv4 and IPv6 are discussed. > > > > >=20 > > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is:=20 > > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > >=20 > >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-05.txt > > > > >=20 > > > > >=20 > > > > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a > > > message to > > > > > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe > > > in the body > > > > > of the message. You can also visit=20 > > > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce to > > > change your > > > > > subscription settings. > > > > >=20 > > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP.=20 > > > Login with the > > > > > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail > > address. 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The drafts are available as follows: 1) "MANET Autoconfiguration" The "combined" draft. This version supports both tunneling and non-tunneling access methods, and views the MANET as either a unified link or a multilink site (or "site-of-sites") based on the operational scenario: =20 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-templin-autoconf-dhcp-06.txt 2) "MANET Autoconfiguration over Virtual Ethernets" The "all-tunneling" draft. This version views the entire MANET as a unified shared link, or "virtual ethernet" using IP-in-IP tunneling:=20 =20 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-templin-autoconf-virtual-00.tx t 3) "MANET Autoconfiguration over Multilink Sites" The "non-tunneling" draft. This version views the MANET as one or more multilink site(s). It proposes changes to neighbor discovery to support this view: =20 http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-templin-autoconf-multilink-00. txt On- or off-list comments are welcome. Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com=20 _______________________________________________ Autoconf mailing list Autoconf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf From autoconf-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 22 10:05:51 2007 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKFVs-00035h-So; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:05:40 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKFVr-00035c-Nk for autoconf@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:05:39 -0500 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.168]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKFVp-0005Ih-2j for autoconf@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 10:05:39 -0500 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 72so120997ugd for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:05:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ojM5Ox0iutFZdPvESH+mYXOuB6/GrL3MvE4SBR1Pz4so51WnfqJwtYRLJC2wClIJwYIFMszL7TE7DTVN+rK5WUdjYxc4jSQxX803gKYt1EhzC13rGNCCj/TT5SEzBlM6vztRnqc715Ksz4VHcWAGyE4pEH7vytcKlsqvDgoqykY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nAdVpzJzrAr5KyES3EfD4CiOe/CvC/FAZUteBzu4UxI026boeuswzGmearlZNe4RyRRf6WleajmFrQp/i6f44XeyPNxCfBC/FnJKOErzTVoU4M2oGF10jr05e7TRlZEsZjyG1YrLZMOBMDzR0dGq1K40ejqKtKuHhU6wbs8bveE= Received: by 10.78.158.11 with SMTP id g11mr62116hue.1172156736052; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:05:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.58.3 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:05:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <374005f30702220705v6cdcee11t413289ab7661ab01@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2007 07:05:35 -0800 From: "Ian Chakeres" To: autoconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Autoconf] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-autoconf-manetarch-00.txt In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 92df29fa99cf13e554b84c8374345c17 Cc: "Thomas Heide Clausen \(work\)" X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: autoconf-bounces@ietf.org I'd like to ask everyone to review the new and improved MANET Architecture document. It now contains a section about addressing that summarizes what Thomas presented in San Diego. Please send me any comments. Ian Chakeres On 2/15/07, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : Mobile Ad hoc Network Architecture > Author(s) : I. Chakeres, et al. > Filename : draft-ietf-autoconf-manetarch-00.txt > Pages : 20 > Date : 2007-2-15 > > > This document discusses Mobile Ad hoc NETworks (MANETs). It > introduces basic MANET terms, characteristics, and challenges. This > document also defines several MANET entities and architectural > concepts. > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-autoconf-manetarch-00.txt > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of > the message. > You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > to change your subscription settings. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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It now contains a section about addressing that > summarizes what Thomas presented in San Diego. I would also like to suggest those who plans to review to look into the San Diego presentation slides related to MANET architecture available at http://www3.ietf.org/proceedings/06nov/slides/autoconf-0.pdf Also, it might help if authors could list all the changes compared to earlier version. > > Please send me any comments. I would also encourage to send comments to the mailing list. -- Shubhranshu > Ian Chakeres > > On 2/15/07, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration Working Group of the IETF. >> >> Title : Mobile Ad hoc Network Architecture >> Author(s) : I. Chakeres, et al. >> Filename : draft-ietf-autoconf-manetarch-00.txt >> Pages : 20 >> Date : 2007-2-15 >> >> >> This document discusses Mobile Ad hoc NETworks (MANETs). It >> introduces basic MANET terms, characteristics, and challenges. This >> document also defines several MANET entities and architectural >> concepts. >> >> >> A URL for this Internet-Draft is: >> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-autoconf-manetarch-00.txt >> >> To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to >> i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in the body of >> the message. >> You can also visit https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce >> to change your subscription settings. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the >> username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. 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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Chakeres" <ian.chakeres@gmail.com>
Cc: "Thomas Heide Clausen (work)" <T.Clausen@computer.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Autoconf] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-autoconf-manetarch-00.txt

> I'd like to ask everyone to review the new and improved MANET
> Architecture document. It now contains a section about addressing that
> summarizes what Thomas presented in San Diego.
 
I would also like to suggest those who plans to review to look into the San Diego
presentation slides related to MANET architecture available at
Also, it might help if authors could list all the changes compared to earlier version.

>
> Please send me any comments.
 
I would also encourage to send comments to the mailing list. 
 
-- Shubhranshu
 

> Ian Chakeres
>
> On 2/15/07, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org <Internet-Drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> directories.
>> This draft is a work item of the Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration Working Group of the IETF.
>>
>>         Title           : Mobile Ad hoc Network Architecture
>>         Author(s)       : I. Chakeres, et al.
>>         Filename        : draft-ietf-autoconf-manetarch-00.txt
>>         Pages           : 20
>>         Date            : 2007-2-15
>>
>>
>>    This document discusses Mobile Ad hoc NETworks (MANETs).  It
>>    introduces basic MANET terms, characteristics, and challenges.  This
>>    document also defines several MANET entities and architectural
>>    concepts.
>>
>>
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--Boundary_(ID_PXvMhVaw75vdE+18j5XgVg)-- --===============1393682303== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Autoconf mailing list Autoconf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf --===============1393682303==-- From autoconf-bounces@ietf.org Sat Feb 24 08:40:48 2007 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKx8d-00022U-Vv; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:40:35 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKx8c-00021e-Sj for autoconf@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:40:34 -0500 Received: from mailout1.samsung.com ([203.254.224.24]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HKx8a-0000JM-F0 for autoconf@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:40:34 -0500 Received: from ep_mmp1 (mailout1.samsung.com [203.254.224.24]) by mailout1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0JDY0063QZB6RW@mailout1.samsung.com> for autoconf@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:40:18 +0900 (KST) Received: from Shubhranshu ([107.108.4.124]) by mmp1.samsung.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0JDY00M0CZB4FO@mmp1.samsung.com> for autoconf@ietf.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:40:18 +0900 (KST) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:15:06 +0530 From: Shubhranshu To: autoconf@ietf.org Message-id: <03ff01c75819$ff61e1a0$7c046c6b@sisodomain.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: c1c65599517f9ac32519d043c37c5336 Subject: [Autoconf] IETF 68 Autoconf meeting agenda solicitation X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0309893272==" Errors-To: autoconf-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0309893272== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fdPIvWF77detTLTIa/jMTA)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_fdPIvWF77detTLTIa/jMTA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello All, If you have any agenda item for the upcoming Autoconf WG meeting then please send them to the chairs or to the list. Here is the tentatively scheduled session information: AUTOCONF Session 1 (2 hours) THURSDAY, March 22, 2007 1300-1500 Afternoon Session I Karlin I - Shubhranshu --Boundary_(ID_fdPIvWF77detTLTIa/jMTA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Hello All,
 
If you have any agenda item for the upcoming Autoconf WG meeting
then please send them to the chairs or to the list.
 
Here is the  tentatively scheduled session information:
 
AUTOCONF Session 1 (2 hours)
THURSDAY, March 22, 2007
1300-1500 Afternoon Session I Karlin I
 
- Shubhranshu
--Boundary_(ID_fdPIvWF77detTLTIa/jMTA)-- --===============0309893272== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Autoconf mailing list Autoconf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf --===============0309893272==-- From autoconf-bounces@ietf.org Mon Feb 26 20:09:59 2007 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HLqqk-0006bI-GK; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:09:50 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HLqpA-0002So-OY for autoconf@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:08:12 -0500 Received: from stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com ([130.76.96.56] helo=stl-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HLqp4-0002QO-BY for autoconf@ietf.org; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:08:12 -0500 Received: from blv-av-01.boeing.com (blv-av-01.boeing.com [192.42.227.216]) by stl-smtpout-01.ns.cs.boeing.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/TEST_SMTPIN) with ESMTP id l1R17cXP001075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:07:38 -0600 (CST) Received: from blv-av-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blv-av-01.boeing.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/DOWNSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id l1R17brH009703; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-11.nw.nos.boeing.com [130.247.55.84]) by blv-av-01.boeing.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/UPSTREAM_RELAY) with ESMTP id l1R17a03009648; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com ([130.247.54.35]) by XCH-NWBH-11.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:07:35 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Autoconf] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-autoconf-manetarch-00.txt Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:07:34 -0800 Message-ID: <39C363776A4E8C4A94691D2BD9D1C9A101774750@XCH-NW-7V2.nw.nos.boeing.com> In-Reply-To: <374005f30702220705v6cdcee11t413289ab7661ab01@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Autoconf] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-autoconf-manetarch-00.txt Thread-Index: AcdWkwqWHI7XfW/0R+aVK0IvtCuJEADdOa+w References: <374005f30702220705v6cdcee11t413289ab7661ab01@mail.gmail.com> From: "Templin, Fred L" To: "Ian Chakeres" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2007 01:07:35.0141 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA492950:01C75A0B] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2beba50d0fcdeee5f091c59f204d4365 Cc: "Thomas Heide Clausen \(work\)" X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: autoconf-bounces@ietf.org Two preliminary comments on this document: 1) Under Section 2.1 (Borrowed Terminolgy), the terms "{Broadcast,Full-Broadcast,Semi-Broadcast} Interface" are really talking about properties of a *link* (and not an interface). An interface is just "a node's attachment to a link" (per RFC2460, RFC2461 and probably others). My input is to keep the definitions but rephrase them in terms of links instead of interfaces. Then, you can add a definition for "MANET interface" such as: MANET interface a MANET node's attachment to a semi-broadcast link. 2) The definition for "MANET" doesn't go into the level of detail that IMHO should be present in an architecture document like this. Here is my proposal: MANET a connected network region that comprises MANET routers that maintain a routing structure among themselves in a relatively arbitrary fashion over semi-broadcast links. MANETs may be as large as an Autonomous System or as small as an individual site, and may also be a subnetwork of a larger MANET. A MANET router (and its downstream- attached links) is a "site" unto itself, and a MANET is therefore a "site-of-sites". Further information on the characteristics of MANETs can be found in [RFC2501]. Fred fred.l.templin@boeing.com =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Chakeres [mailto:ian.chakeres@gmail.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:06 AM > To: autoconf@ietf.org > Cc: Thomas Heide Clausen (work) > Subject: Re: [Autoconf] I-D=20 > ACTION:draft-ietf-autoconf-manetarch-00.txt >=20 > I'd like to ask everyone to review the new and improved MANET > Architecture document. It now contains a section about addressing that > summarizes what Thomas presented in San Diego. >=20 > Please send me any comments. > Ian Chakeres >=20 > On 2/15/07, Internet-Drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Ad-Hoc Network=20 > Autoconfiguration Working Group of the IETF. > > > > Title : Mobile Ad hoc Network Architecture > > Author(s) : I. Chakeres, et al. > > Filename : draft-ietf-autoconf-manetarch-00.txt > > Pages : 20 > > Date : 2007-2-15 > > > > > > This document discusses Mobile Ad hoc NETworks (MANETs). It > > introduces basic MANET terms, characteristics, and=20 > challenges. This > > document also defines several MANET entities and architectural > > concepts. > > > > > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-autoconf-maneta > rch-00.txt > > > > To remove yourself from the I-D Announcement list, send a message to > > i-d-announce-request@ietf.org with the word unsubscribe in=20 > the body of > > the message. > > You can also visit=20 > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/I-D-announce > > to change your subscription settings. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the > > username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After > > logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then > > "get draft-ietf-autoconf-manetarch-00.txt". > > > > A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in > > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html > > or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt > > > > Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. > > > > Send a message to: > > mailserv@ietf.org. > > In the body type: > > "FILE=20 > /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-autoconf-manetarch-00.txt". > > > > NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in > > MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this > > feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before=20 > the "FILE" > > command. To decode the response(s), you will need=20 > "munpack" or > > a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different=20 > MIME-compliant mail readers > > exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with > > "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which=20 > have been split > > up into multiple messages), so check your local=20 > documentation on > > how to manipulate these messages. > > > > Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader > > implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the > > Internet-Draft. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Autoconf mailing list > > Autoconf@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf > > > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Autoconf mailing list > Autoconf@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf >=20 _______________________________________________ Autoconf mailing list Autoconf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf From autoconf-bounces@ietf.org Tue Feb 27 03:28:55 2007 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HLxhd-0006yA-1Y; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:28:53 -0500 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HLxhb-0006xy-E9; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:28:51 -0500 Received: from outbound.mailhop.org ([63.208.196.171]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HLxha-0000Vt-67; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:28:51 -0500 Received: from sphinx.lix.polytechnique.fr ([129.104.11.1] helo=[192.168.112.180]) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HLxhZ-0009rr-P2; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:28:49 -0500 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 129.104.11.1 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: voop Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6C76930F-642D-447E-A694-BF05F4D745DA@polytechnique.fr> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Thomas Clausen Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:28:17 +0100 To: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9466e0365fc95844abaf7c3f15a05c7d Cc: manet Subject: [Autoconf] IMPORTANT: Arch I-D X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: autoconf-bounces@ietf.org Dear all, The immediate priority for the AUTOCONF wg is to finalise the Arch I- D. Therefore, and in following up with Ian's email, I would like to ask the working groups (AUTOCONF and MANET both) to throughly review the architecture document as it is on the following URL prior to Prague: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-autoconf-manetarch-00.txt No doubt, a good part of the the wg meeting in Prague will be spent on this document, with the goal of getting away with a (complete?) todo-list for what we need to do to the I-D before advancing it within the IETF. And, I would like this to be reflected on the AUTOCONF mailing list (autoconf@ietf.org) such that the input from those who will not be in Prague can be taken into account as well. Thanks - and see y'all soon, Thomas -- Thomas Clausen Thomas.Clausen@polytechnique.fr http://www.lix.polytechnique.fr/Labo/Thomas.Clausen/ http://www.lix.polytechnique.fr/hipercom/ _______________________________________________ Autoconf mailing list Autoconf@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf