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([206.132.173.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f42sm11050898rvb.51.2009.05.22.13.34.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 22 May 2009 13:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <47ADD111-46F6-470E-ABE2-7D0127E8FC05@gmail.com> From: Ryuji Wakikawa To: autoconf@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 13:34:57 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: [Autoconf] meeting at the coming IETF75 X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 20:33:25 -0000 Hi all, We have requested one meeting slot (2hrs) at the IETF75 for the addressing model discussion. The DT is currently working hard to produce a document, but it needs a few more days to resolve all the left issues. Chairs understand the delay of the first strawman document submission. Sorry for your patient, but we will be able to discuss the addressing model as soon as DT submits a document. We will try to accelerate the DT work, too. At IETF75, we plan to discuss only the DT work in the AUTOCONF slot. If you have any topic which has to be discussed at IETF75, please contact to chairs (Thomas and me). thanks, Thomas & ryuji From alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com Sat May 23 02:56:26 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE8933A6BD5 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 02:56:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.641 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.641 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.992, BAYES_50=0.001, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DqIzavO-C9Xn for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 02:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (smtp6-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.6]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EC33A6BAC for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 02:56:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4612BE08087; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:57:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (bur91-3-82-239-213-32.fbx.proxad.net [82.239.213.32]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33AF1E08024; Sat, 23 May 2009 11:57:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A17C892.8020409@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:57:38 +0200 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryuji Wakikawa References: <47ADD111-46F6-470E-ABE2-7D0127E8FC05@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <47ADD111-46F6-470E-ABE2-7D0127E8FC05@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 090522-0, 22/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: autoconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Autoconf] meeting at the coming IETF75 X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:56:27 -0000 Dear Chair(s), I would like to understand the following: -on how many documents is the DT working? -who are the authors of the DT document? -what is the title of the document? How does it fit the Charter? And I hope a _practical_ addressing model is still favoured. Alex Ryuji Wakikawa a écrit : > Hi all, > > We have requested one meeting slot (2hrs) at the IETF75 for the addressing model discussion. > > The DT is currently working hard to produce a document, but it needs > a few more days to resolve all the left issues. > Chairs understand the delay of the first strawman document > submission. > > Sorry for your patient, but we will be able to discuss the addressing > model as soon as DT submits a document. > We will try to accelerate the DT work, too. > > At IETF75, we plan to discuss only the DT work in the AUTOCONF slot. > If you have any topic which has to be discussed at IETF75, please contact to chairs (Thomas and me). > > thanks, Thomas & ryuji > > _______________________________________________ Autoconf mailing list > Autoconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf > From ietf@thomasclausen.org Tue May 26 00:11:23 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603B53A6B61 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:11:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.43 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.43 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.169, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p2Y7oqWIvM2s for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org (mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org [204.13.248.71]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87833A6E31 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 00:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aste-genev-bois-153-1-11-211.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr ([83.112.73.211] helo=[192.168.147.109]) by mho-01-ewr.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1M8qq0-000DPa-Ls; Tue, 26 May 2009 07:12:40 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 83.112.73.211 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.dyndns.com/services/mailhop/outbound_abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX18bXncF8vBxbMHcZEOBdEpA In-Reply-To: <4A17C892.8020409@gmail.com> References: <47ADD111-46F6-470E-ABE2-7D0127E8FC05@gmail.com> <4A17C892.8020409@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Thomas Heide Clausen Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:13:51 +0200 To: Alexandru Petrescu X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Cc: autoconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Autoconf] meeting at the coming IETF75 X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 07:11:23 -0000 Dear Alex, Fair enough question. Ryuji sent an email to this list mid-March with =20= those details: = http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/autoconf/current/msg01557.html I am not entirely sure that the DT has decided finally upon a title =20 for the document, though, but I see that as rather minor. And, I too =20 hope that a _practical_ addressing model is being favored by this DT. Sincerely, Thomas On May 23, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: > Dear Chair(s), > > I would like to understand the following: > > -on how many documents is the DT working? > -who are the authors of the DT document? > -what is the title of the document? How does it fit the Charter? > > And I hope a _practical_ addressing model is still favoured. > > Alex > > Ryuji Wakikawa a =E9crit : >> Hi all, >> We have requested one meeting slot (2hrs) at the IETF75 for the > addressing model discussion. >> The DT is currently working hard to produce a document, but it needs >> a > few more days to resolve all the left issues. >> Chairs understand the delay of the first strawman document >> submission. >> Sorry for your patient, but we will be able to discuss the addressing > model as soon as DT submits a document. >> We will try to accelerate the DT work, too. >> At IETF75, we plan to discuss only the DT work in the AUTOCONF =20 >> slot. If you have any topic which has to be discussed at IETF75, =20 >> please > contact to chairs (Thomas and me). >> thanks, Thomas & ryuji >> _______________________________________________ Autoconf mailing list >> Autoconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf > > > _______________________________________________ > Autoconf mailing list > Autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf From cjbc@it.uc3m.es Tue May 26 02:03:04 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF49C3A697F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 02:03:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.439 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.260, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1D-aAD2stqGf for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 02:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp01.uc3m.es (smtp01.uc3m.es [163.117.176.131]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67863A690C for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 02:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [163.117.139.72] (acorde.it.uc3m.es [163.117.139.72]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp01.uc3m.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0D6B4833D; Tue, 26 May 2009 11:04:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Bernardos Cano To: Thomas Heide Clausen In-Reply-To: References: <47ADD111-46F6-470E-ABE2-7D0127E8FC05@gmail.com> <4A17C892.8020409@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-u1McJCtcp/I+YXzv3cnc" Organization: Universidad Carlos III de Madrid Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:04:37 +0200 Message-Id: <1243328677.31179.5.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.5 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.0.0.3116-5.6.0.1016-16664.006 Cc: autoconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Autoconf] meeting at the coming IETF75 X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:03:05 -0000 --=-u1McJCtcp/I+YXzv3cnc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Thomas, One additional question and a comment: - The DT composition Ryuji announced on the ML does not match entirely what was presented in the San Francisco meeting. I've tried to find the slides, but these are not available on the IETF proceedings side. - I've also tried to find the minutes, are they available somewhere? Thanks, Carlos El mar, 26-05-2009 a las 09:13 +0200, Thomas Heide Clausen escribi=F3:=20 > Dear Alex, >=20 > Fair enough question. Ryuji sent an email to this list mid-March with =20 > those details: >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/autoconf/current/msg01557.html >=20 > I am not entirely sure that the DT has decided finally upon a title =20 > for the document, though, but I see that as rather minor. And, I too =20 > hope that a _practical_ addressing model is being favored by this DT. >=20 > Sincerely, >=20 > Thomas >=20 >=20 > On May 23, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: >=20 > > Dear Chair(s), > > > > I would like to understand the following: > > > > -on how many documents is the DT working? > > -who are the authors of the DT document? > > -what is the title of the document? How does it fit the Charter? > > > > And I hope a _practical_ addressing model is still favoured. > > > > Alex > > > > Ryuji Wakikawa a =E9crit : > >> Hi all, > >> We have requested one meeting slot (2hrs) at the IETF75 for the > > addressing model discussion. > >> The DT is currently working hard to produce a document, but it needs > >> a > > few more days to resolve all the left issues. > >> Chairs understand the delay of the first strawman document > >> submission. > >> Sorry for your patient, but we will be able to discuss the addressing > > model as soon as DT submits a document. > >> We will try to accelerate the DT work, too. > >> At IETF75, we plan to discuss only the DT work in the AUTOCONF =20 > >> slot. If you have any topic which has to be discussed at IETF75, =20 > >> please > > contact to chairs (Thomas and me). > >> thanks, Thomas & ryuji > >> _______________________________________________ Autoconf mailing list > >> Autoconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Autoconf mailing list > > Autoconf@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Autoconf mailing list > Autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf --=20 Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano http://www.netcoms.net GPG FP: D29B 0A6A 639A A561 93CA 4D55 35DC BA4D D170 4F67 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ IEEE Network Special Issue on Advances in Vehicular Communications Networks http://www.comsoc.org/livepubs/ni/info/cfp/cfpnetwork0110.htm=20 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --=-u1McJCtcp/I+YXzv3cnc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Esta parte del mensaje =?ISO-8859-1?Q?est=E1?= firmada digitalmente -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAkobsKUACgkQNdy6TdFwT2cWOACfTka+CItR9uTfcohDcjNfZZ1v PGwAoLJY5lRNIsKhzKDOpCEaHnnR2kB9 =LW71 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-u1McJCtcp/I+YXzv3cnc-- From ryuji.wakikawa@gmail.com Tue May 26 03:24:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC603A7061 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:24:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6DyKh3jcSl9H for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f125.google.com (mail-px0-f125.google.com [209.85.216.125]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2969A28C1F9 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pxi31 with SMTP id 31so3028579pxi.29 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:25:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:subject:mime-version:date:references :x-mailer; bh=JcPf4xViRq60kuRIN6KozVQIbwCk+lubrMZSW7MOQ+8=; b=NhoAeOYOn0iVqruIPQp3EID6xWLctz+Cxkq5FRraeDfl7iExdVRl0rxMTAFq9XiynB 4TiIdBgbJuTEZAkKR69nLMSydIEwxyIgwIBPOUJ/zFY+EgyYW0fZjx/oeUW7DLRSxrVv FSBEBoLMhG0qKZzgxWrpMtoAXMEFWExfP5wE0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:subject:mime-version :date:references:x-mailer; b=DIjV4DGDMIkSbRGxPG/ZtrSaG7LYEv6t5xM16iK71OWipOHyKyF4euVEfnBGtUkvcg fsexiMv8PRgsKLz3gOMdqJlss5dMgNnAimxgjFGNQiJ84fQ+OZW9x3zoTALVILHbOjnG FJT3R9qFwQNQMG00MR3ZC9InLdc/iG3K9L1jw= Received: by 10.142.49.4 with SMTP id w4mr1453453wfw.174.1243333533619; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.2.3? (75-149-38-9-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.149.38.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm5248095wfc.17.2009.05.26.03.25.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 26 May 2009 03:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Ryuji Wakikawa To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es In-Reply-To: <1243328677.31179.5.camel@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-885840630 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 03:25:29 -0700 References: <47ADD111-46F6-470E-ABE2-7D0127E8FC05@gmail.com> <4A17C892.8020409@gmail.com> <1243328677.31179.5.camel@localhost> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: autoconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Autoconf] meeting at the coming IETF75 X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:24:12 -0000 --Apple-Mail-2-885840630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Carlos, On 2009/05/26, at 2:04, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > One additional question and a comment: > > - The DT composition Ryuji announced on the ML does not match entirely > what was presented in the San Francisco meeting. I've tried to find =20= > the > slides, but these are not available on the IETF proceedings side. Could you clarify the unmatched parts? > - I've also tried to find the minutes, are they available somewhere? We've submitted the minutes to IETF late. I attach the posted minutes. The minutes will be available online shortly. regards, ryuji --Apple-Mail-2-885840630 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=Minutes.txt Content-Type: text/plain; x-unix-mode=0755; name="Minutes.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Autoconf at IETF'74 Minute takers: Christopher Dearlove, Ronald in 't Velt Minutes edited by the chairs. Agenda: o Notes takers, blue sheets, agenda bash (5 min, Chairs) o WG status update (5 min, Chairs) o New Charter (10 min, Chairs) o Status Update from Design Team (30 min, Design Team) WG Status Update ================ This meeting was postponed from Monday to Thursday, in order to allow the newly established Design Team to meet. The WG bids farewell to Shubhranshu Sing and thanks him for his services. At the same time, the WG welcomes Ryuji Wakikawa, who'll be chairing this wg with Thomas Clausen. New Charter =========== At IETF'73, the WG experienced a major reset, which triggered a new charter, approved by the IESG shortly before IETF'74: o existing WG documents are declared deprecated, specifically: - draft-ietf-autoconf-manetarch - draft-ietf-autoconf-statement o the new charter has as sole workitem to describe *a* workable and practical addressing model for MANETs: - initial I-D April 2009 - submit to IESG September 2009 A design team has been established to propose kick-start this work, with the following participants: o Teco Boot, Emmanuel Baccelli, Charles Perkins, Mark Townsley, Thomas Narten, Ulrich Herberg. The design team works on a mailing-list, archives are publicly available: o http://lists.thomasclausen.net/pipermail/autoconf-dt/ Status Update from Design Team ============================== 4 presentations, in order, Herberg/Perkins/Boot/Baccelli. Ulrich Herberg -------------- MANET interface has unique address, which is a /32 (IPv4) or /128 (IPv6) 3 example configurations, including use of "unnumbered interfaces" Carlos Bernados: question about use of address for more than one interface and about what is a "MANET interface" Thomas Narten: question about assignment of address to unnumbered interface. Thomas Clausen: used as source IP for IP datagrams generated by router. Teco Boot: use of unnumbered is well specified in some existing cases (RFCs, pt-pt). Charles Perkins ---------------- One slide on what AODV did for subnets (not required, could flat route, but may be required). Consistent with normal expectations of what subnets are. Erik Nordstrom: clarifying question, are there implementations (last bullet slide, multiple routes) Teco Boot --------- Vehicle network with vehicles with 2 MANET routers, 3 wireless networks, multiple hosts. Applications on routers use loopback address. Interfaces have sub-prefixes, /32 for loopback. Longest match forwarding. Thomas Clausen: is the network multihomed? Yes. Not clear on cases where two routers manage single Ethernet. Joe Macker: yes. Thomas Clausen: same prefix is delegated to two routers, how is this done? Is this a novelty, done anywhere else?, how to do this? Erik Nordstrom: would require some special magic. Teco Boot: both routers are in same vehicle, guaranteed together. Done statically (response to question from Thomas Clausen). Carlos Bernados: This is possible in NEMO, no? Ryuji Wakikawa: Not in NEMO basic support IPv6 case, use EUI-64 layer 2 address, CGA (RFC3972) or random (RFC 4941). IPv4 link local, not certain, being tested. RFC 3927 169.254.0.0/16 (or class E?) static or automatic configuration. Erik Nordstrom: why do need to do this in IPv4? Link local not as well developed in IPv4 as IPv6. Teco Boot: only routing protocol uses link local addresses. Simple MANET router can use link local address. With single MANET interface has unique address. Emmanuel Baccelli ----------------- Design Team rationale. Defined MANET protocol, MANET router, MANET interface, MANET routing domain. MANET router components (three cases). MANET interface configuration, address assigned to MANET interface, unique within MANET link. Carlos Bernados: What is MANET link? Joe Macker: should be MANET routing domain (issues of heterogeneous links). Thomas Narten: DT discussed long time. Most view that is MANET routing domain, Teco Boot may not need that in all cases. Decided to leave in this form. If unique outside MANET routing domain, can communicate globally. Practical and conservative addressing requirements: MANET interface addresses unique throughout MANET routing domain. Prefixes configured on MANET interfaces must comply with standard IP on-link model (RFC 3513 section 2.1). All addresses in prefix reachable within 1 hop, despite radio issues. Problems discussed in draft. Teco Boot: have we missed anything? Joe Macker: were off-link addresses considered by DT, or just on-link? Emmanuel Baccelli: we have been discussing this Teco Boot: Joe, do you think this is important? Joe Macker: started in right place. Ryuji Wakikawa: Design Team first draft not published yet. Joe Macker: Note that charter still says IPv6, but some of this is IPv4. Thomas Clausen: Discussion with ADs, many considerations. Emmanuel Baccelli: Charter on website is out of date. New charter is IP neutral. ======= Meeting Adjourned --Apple-Mail-2-885840630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > Thanks, > > Carlos > > El mar, 26-05-2009 a las 09:13 +0200, Thomas Heide Clausen escribi=C3=B3= : >> Dear Alex, >> >> Fair enough question. Ryuji sent an email to this list mid-March with >> those details: >> >> = http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/autoconf/current/msg01557.html >> >> I am not entirely sure that the DT has decided finally upon a title >> for the document, though, but I see that as rather minor. And, I too >> hope that a _practical_ addressing model is being favored by this DT. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Thomas >> >> >> On May 23, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: >> >>> Dear Chair(s), >>> >>> I would like to understand the following: >>> >>> -on how many documents is the DT working? >>> -who are the authors of the DT document? >>> -what is the title of the document? How does it fit the Charter? >>> >>> And I hope a _practical_ addressing model is still favoured. >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> Ryuji Wakikawa a =C3=A9crit : >>>> Hi all, >>>> We have requested one meeting slot (2hrs) at the IETF75 for the >>> addressing model discussion. >>>> The DT is currently working hard to produce a document, but it =20 >>>> needs >>>> a >>> few more days to resolve all the left issues. >>>> Chairs understand the delay of the first strawman document >>>> submission. >>>> Sorry for your patient, but we will be able to discuss the =20 >>>> addressing >>> model as soon as DT submits a document. >>>> We will try to accelerate the DT work, too. >>>> At IETF75, we plan to discuss only the DT work in the AUTOCONF >>>> slot. If you have any topic which has to be discussed at IETF75, >>>> please >>> contact to chairs (Thomas and me). >>>> thanks, Thomas & ryuji >>>> _______________________________________________ Autoconf mailing =20= >>>> list >>>> Autoconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Autoconf mailing list >>> Autoconf@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Autoconf mailing list >> Autoconf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf > --=20 > Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano http://www.netcoms.net > GPG FP: D29B 0A6A 639A A561 93CA 4D55 35DC BA4D D170 4F67 > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > IEEE Network Special Issue on > Advances in Vehicular Communications Networks > http://www.comsoc.org/livepubs/ni/info/cfp/cfpnetwork0110.htm > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > _______________________________________________ > Autoconf mailing list > Autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf --Apple-Mail-2-885840630-- From alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com Tue May 26 03:28:11 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F15173A7071 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:28:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.841 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.841 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.192, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wzv-xTXqvghl for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr [132.166.172.107]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8C73A6FAB for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.0) with ESMTP id n4QATdd3000303 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 26 May 2009 12:29:39 +0200 Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QATdfF008005; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:29:39 +0200 (envelope-from alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([132.166.133.173]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.1) with ESMTP id n4QATdjv017134; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:29:39 +0200 Message-ID: <4A1BC493.30604@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:29:39 +0200 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryuji Wakikawa References: <47ADD111-46F6-470E-ABE2-7D0127E8FC05@gmail.com> <4A17C892.8020409@gmail.com> <1243328677.31179.5.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: autoconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Autoconf] meeting at the coming IETF75 X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:28:12 -0000 Ryuji Wakikawa a écrit : > Hi Carlos, > > On 2009/05/26, at 2:04, Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano wrote: > >> Hi Thomas, >> >> One additional question and a comment: >> >> - The DT composition Ryuji announced on the ML does not match entirely >> what was presented in the San Francisco meeting. I've tried to find the >> slides, but these are not available on the IETF proceedings side. > > Could you clarify the unmatched parts? The unmatched parts are clearer when checking the DT archive - could you ack? >> - I've also tried to find the minutes, are they available somewhere? > > We've submitted the minutes to IETF late. I attach the posted minutes. > The minutes will be available online shortly. Thanks for this, Alex > > regards, > ryuji > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Carlos >> >> El mar, 26-05-2009 a las 09:13 +0200, Thomas Heide Clausen escribió: >>> Dear Alex, >>> >>> Fair enough question. Ryuji sent an email to this list mid-March with >>> those details: >>> >>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/autoconf/current/msg01557.html >>> >>> I am not entirely sure that the DT has decided finally upon a title >>> for the document, though, but I see that as rather minor. And, I too >>> hope that a _practical_ addressing model is being favored by this DT. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Thomas >>> >>> >>> On May 23, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Chair(s), >>>> >>>> I would like to understand the following: >>>> >>>> -on how many documents is the DT working? >>>> -who are the authors of the DT document? >>>> -what is the title of the document? How does it fit the Charter? >>>> >>>> And I hope a _practical_ addressing model is still favoured. >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> Ryuji Wakikawa a écrit : >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> We have requested one meeting slot (2hrs) at the IETF75 for the >>>> addressing model discussion. >>>>> The DT is currently working hard to produce a document, but it needs >>>>> a >>>> few more days to resolve all the left issues. >>>>> Chairs understand the delay of the first strawman document >>>>> submission. >>>>> Sorry for your patient, but we will be able to discuss the addressing >>>> model as soon as DT submits a document. >>>>> We will try to accelerate the DT work, too. >>>>> At IETF75, we plan to discuss only the DT work in the AUTOCONF >>>>> slot. If you have any topic which has to be discussed at IETF75, >>>>> please >>>> contact to chairs (Thomas and me). >>>>> thanks, Thomas & ryuji >>>>> _______________________________________________ Autoconf mailing list >>>>> Autoconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Autoconf mailing list >>>> Autoconf@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Autoconf mailing list >>> Autoconf@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf >> -- >> Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano http://www.netcoms.net >> GPG FP: D29B 0A6A 639A A561 93CA 4D55 35DC BA4D D170 4F67 >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> IEEE Network Special Issue on >> Advances in Vehicular Communications Networks >> http://www.comsoc.org/livepubs/ni/info/cfp/cfpnetwork0110.htm >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> _______________________________________________ >> Autoconf mailing list >> Autoconf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Autoconf mailing list > Autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf From ryuji.wakikawa@gmail.com Tue May 26 03:31:17 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F093A6DAA for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:31:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_21=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qbr+OlL7zzSY for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f125.google.com (mail-px0-f125.google.com [209.85.216.125]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C37C3A6A4F for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:30:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pxi31 with SMTP id 31so3030977pxi.29 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:32:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:in-reply-to:subject :references:message-id:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:date:cc:x-mailer; bh=x+Mxi13Ui9Zpujqi6uiULuMgQcNehgfuycqSL3ynh70=; b=pyuWtpc/140RTfWqrqBIJvTHWRmg3h46z0MVMJo2pkNORAqunQPaqPbVVdi1v4/yL5 4ukbHld0ktyQiFist/piLoNY26UwaEDmNwuXTulqugYzCP5vH+giE87xG4wQ66dsPWWm vQTkwHS77ciMwOC3AqZ9Bp74PmZnfWgKk9sy4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:in-reply-to:subject:references:message-id:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date:cc:x-mailer; b=YLyNDxJQSrBaMVyCC2CV47oR0+QY4RRZ7Okz2tmiQgqSdlayDy52FAWzVxQb6Xt3Ea JmjOCI6v1zANZUGELTKtryaVbypdBRX9jr5k1QuR6VaINQPtcssQ9YJ8btIlPk+S2Cts Hz4fLGxOfx+uvLWZQtmtZHV0himSkVCOB0B3M= Received: by 10.114.74.18 with SMTP id w18mr17259568waa.106.1243333923871; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.2.3? (75-149-38-9-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.149.38.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m17sm10811125waf.33.2009.05.26.03.32.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 26 May 2009 03:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryuji Wakikawa To: Alexandru Petrescu In-Reply-To: <4A1BC493.30604@gmail.com> References: <47ADD111-46F6-470E-ABE2-7D0127E8FC05@gmail.com> <4A17C892.8020409@gmail.com> <1243328677.31179.5.camel@localhost> <4A1BC493.30604@gmail.com> Message-Id: <59AE54FF-2AD7-4BF5-97D9-7A5310F95852@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 03:31:59 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: autoconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Autoconf] meeting at the coming IETF75 X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:31:17 -0000 Hi Alex, On 2009/05/26, at 3:29, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: > Ryuji Wakikawa a =C3=A9crit : >> Hi Carlos, >> On 2009/05/26, at 2:04, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano wrote: >>> Hi Thomas, >>> >>> One additional question and a comment: >>> >>> - The DT composition Ryuji announced on the ML does not match =20 >>> entirely >>> what was presented in the San Francisco meeting. I've tried to =20 >>> find the >>> slides, but these are not available on the IETF proceedings side. >> Could you clarify the unmatched parts? > > The unmatched parts are clearer when checking the DT archive - could =20= > you ack? please detail or list the unmatched parts :-) AFAIK, they basically discuss what they have presented at the last =20 meeting. ryuji >>> - I've also tried to find the minutes, are they available somewhere? >> We've submitted the minutes to IETF late. I attach the posted =20 >> minutes. >> The minutes will be available online shortly. > > Thanks for this, > > Alex > >> regards, >> ryuji >> = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Carlos >>> >>> El mar, 26-05-2009 a las 09:13 +0200, Thomas Heide Clausen =20 >>> escribi=C3=B3: >>>> Dear Alex, >>>> >>>> Fair enough question. Ryuji sent an email to this list mid-March =20= >>>> with >>>> those details: >>>> >>>> = http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/autoconf/current/msg01557.html >>>> >>>> I am not entirely sure that the DT has decided finally upon a title >>>> for the document, though, but I see that as rather minor. And, I =20= >>>> too >>>> hope that a _practical_ addressing model is being favored by this =20= >>>> DT. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Thomas >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 23, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Chair(s), >>>>> >>>>> I would like to understand the following: >>>>> >>>>> -on how many documents is the DT working? >>>>> -who are the authors of the DT document? >>>>> -what is the title of the document? How does it fit the Charter? >>>>> >>>>> And I hope a _practical_ addressing model is still favoured. >>>>> >>>>> Alex >>>>> >>>>> Ryuji Wakikawa a =C3=A9crit : >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> We have requested one meeting slot (2hrs) at the IETF75 for the >>>>> addressing model discussion. >>>>>> The DT is currently working hard to produce a document, but it =20= >>>>>> needs >>>>>> a >>>>> few more days to resolve all the left issues. >>>>>> Chairs understand the delay of the first strawman document >>>>>> submission. >>>>>> Sorry for your patient, but we will be able to discuss the =20 >>>>>> addressing >>>>> model as soon as DT submits a document. >>>>>> We will try to accelerate the DT work, too. >>>>>> At IETF75, we plan to discuss only the DT work in the AUTOCONF >>>>>> slot. If you have any topic which has to be discussed at IETF75, >>>>>> please >>>>> contact to chairs (Thomas and me). >>>>>> thanks, Thomas & ryuji >>>>>> _______________________________________________ Autoconf =20 >>>>>> mailing list >>>>>> Autoconf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Autoconf mailing list >>>>> Autoconf@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Autoconf mailing list >>>> Autoconf@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf >>> --=20 >>> Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano http://www.netcoms.net >>> GPG FP: D29B 0A6A 639A A561 93CA 4D55 35DC BA4D D170 4F67 >>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> IEEE Network Special Issue on >>> Advances in Vehicular Communications Networks >>> http://www.comsoc.org/livepubs/ni/info/cfp/cfpnetwork0110.htm >>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Autoconf mailing list >>> Autoconf@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf >> = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> Autoconf mailing list >> Autoconf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf > > From alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com Tue May 26 03:44:39 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B3293A6EC7 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:44:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.139 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.139 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.110, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ozgWJOiAga74 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr [132.166.172.107]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8584C3A6DAA for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 03:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.0) with ESMTP id n4QAkIFG016779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 26 May 2009 12:46:18 +0200 Received: from muguet1.intra.cea.fr (muguet1.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.6]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QAkITe010473; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:46:18 +0200 (envelope-from alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([132.166.133.173]) by muguet1.intra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.1) with ESMTP id n4QAkItq021207; Tue, 26 May 2009 12:46:18 +0200 Message-ID: <4A1BC879.5080708@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:46:17 +0200 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryuji Wakikawa References: <47ADD111-46F6-470E-ABE2-7D0127E8FC05@gmail.com> <4A17C892.8020409@gmail.com> <1243328677.31179.5.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: autoconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Autoconf] meeting at the coming IETF75 X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 10:44:39 -0000 Ryuji, I have no intention to disturb any personal feelings, and this is not offence to any one's name, excuses in advance. minutes : > A design team has been established to propose kick-start > this work, with the following participants: > > o Teco Boot, Emmanuel Baccelli, Charles Perkins, > Mark Townsley, Thomas Narten, Ulrich Herberg. This doesn't match the initial announcement on this mailing list: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/autoconf/current/msg01557.html which basically had 5 members. A couple of aspects of this change: -it's impractical to have more than 5 co-authors on an I-D authorship, xml format makes it for max 5. Of course, a contributors section could be used, and designate a couple of editors. -some drafts circulated on the DT archives have 3 co-authors - why not all 5, or 6? Are some members more important than others? About the document title: is it 'strawman' (announced by the DT forming)? 'framework' circulated in the DT archives)? 'practical model'? (Charter says). They don't seem to appear all at the same place. I don't want to sound alarmist, but I'm wondering whether the DT is not risking spending its time with work for which it is not Chartered to do? Just noting. 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(75-149-38-9-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.149.38.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 29sm5161726wfg.28.2009.05.26.04.06.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 26 May 2009 04:06:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryuji Wakikawa To: Alexandru Petrescu In-Reply-To: <4A1BC879.5080708@gmail.com> References: <47ADD111-46F6-470E-ABE2-7D0127E8FC05@gmail.com> <4A17C892.8020409@gmail.com> <1243328677.31179.5.camel@localhost> <4A1BC879.5080708@gmail.com> Message-Id: <849FD127-81D1-4539-88D5-707091384EB9@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 04:06:33 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Cc: autoconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Autoconf] meeting at the coming IETF75 X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 11:05:08 -0000 Hi Alex, On 2009/05/26, at 3:46, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: > Ryuji, I have no intention to disturb any personal feelings, and > this is not offence to any one's name, excuses in advance. Your inputs are always welcome:-) > minutes : >> A design team has been established to propose kick-start >> this work, with the following participants: >> >> o Teco Boot, Emmanuel Baccelli, Charles Perkins, >> Mark Townsley, Thomas Narten, Ulrich Herberg. > > This doesn't match the initial announcement on this mailing list: > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/autoconf/current/msg01557.html > which basically had 5 members. Before forming the DT, Ulrich has published several documents for this work with Thomas. We invited Ulrich in the DT at the previous IETF, because we believed that a chair (ThomasC) should not join in the DT in general sense. You saw (listened) Ulrich's presentation at the previous IETF. > A couple of aspects of this change: > > -it's impractical to have more than 5 co-authors on an I-D authorship, > xml format makes it for max 5. Of course, a contributors section > could > be used, and designate a couple of editors. All the DT members contribute to the document, but I believe some of DT will act as an editor. > -some drafts circulated on the DT archives have 3 co-authors - why not > all 5, or 6? These documents circulated on the DT ML is not the final one. The final document will be the one from the DT (all members) > Are some members more important than others? Of course, not > About the document title: is it 'strawman' (announced by the DT > forming)? 'framework' circulated in the DT archives)? 'practical > model'? (Charter says). They don't seem to appear all at the same > place. "strawman" is not the title... It's just used by us to point out "not- yet-existing document" anyway, the title is negotiable, but the contents are more important. > I don't want to sound alarmist, but I'm wondering whether the DT is > not risking spending its time with work for which it is not > Chartered to do? Just noting. DT is finalizing the document and hopefully publish the initial document shortly. We will see what they are specifying in the spec. regards, ryuji > > > Alex > > From ulrich@herberg.name Tue May 26 05:01:24 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B513A706E for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 05:01:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UD-X-2IF+9Sm for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 05:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E833028C207 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 05:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so1975859fxm.37 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 05:01:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: ulrich@herberg.name Received: by 10.204.69.133 with SMTP id z5mr8067565bki.163.1243339317295; Tue, 26 May 2009 05:01:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A1BC879.5080708@gmail.com> References: <47ADD111-46F6-470E-ABE2-7D0127E8FC05@gmail.com> <4A17C892.8020409@gmail.com> <1243328677.31179.5.camel@localhost> <4A1BC879.5080708@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:01:57 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: a010bbaf76eb39e4 Message-ID: <25c114b90905260501j77b090et9672a8e9ef749d13@mail.gmail.com> From: Ulrich Herberg To: Alexandru Petrescu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: autoconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Autoconf] meeting at the coming IETF75 X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:01:24 -0000 Hi Alex, since Ryuji already replied to your email, just a little technical comment: xml2rfc (nor the DTD) does not limit the number of authors. (just verified with the newest version). As Ryuji said, the documents that circulate have never been officially posted, they are just working material. So the number of authors, the title and even the whole content may still change until a document from the DT is released. Ulrich On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Alexandru Petrescu wrote: > Ryuji, I have no intention to disturb any personal feelings, and this is = not > offence to any one's name, excuses in advance. > > minutes : >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0A design team has been established to propose kick-start >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0this work, with the following participants: >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0o =A0 =A0 =A0 Teco Boot, Emmanuel Baccell= i, Charles Perkins, >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Mark Townsley, Thomas Nar= ten, Ulrich Herberg. > > This doesn't match the initial announcement on this mailing list: > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/autoconf/current/msg01557.html > which basically had 5 members. > > A couple of aspects of this change: > > -it's impractical to have more than 5 co-authors on an I-D authorship, > =A0xml format makes it for max 5. =A0Of course, a contributors section co= uld > =A0be used, and designate a couple of editors. > -some drafts circulated on the DT archives have 3 co-authors - why not > =A0all 5, or 6? =A0Are some members more important than others? > > About the document title: is it 'strawman' (announced by the DT forming)? > =A0'framework' =A0circulated in the DT archives)? =A0'practical model'? = =A0(Charter > says). =A0They don't seem to appear all at the same place. > > I don't want to sound alarmist, but I'm wondering whether the DT is not > risking spending its time with work for which it is not Chartered to do? > =A0Just noting. > > Alex > > > _______________________________________________ > Autoconf mailing list > Autoconf@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf > From alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com Tue May 26 05:17:27 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: autoconf@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86EE73A70A5 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 05:17:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.141 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.141 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.108, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xcbaAT-6+yux for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 05:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr (sainfoin-out.extra.cea.fr [132.166.172.107]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEB528C221 for ; Tue, 26 May 2009 05:16:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pisaure.intra.cea.fr (pisaure.intra.cea.fr [132.166.88.21]) by sainfoin.extra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2/CEAnet-Internet-out-2.0) with ESMTP id n4QCIbN4000386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 26 May 2009 14:18:37 +0200 Received: from muguet2.intra.cea.fr (muguet2.intra.cea.fr [132.166.192.7]) by pisaure.intra.cea.fr (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n4QCIaM4031564; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:18:36 +0200 (envelope-from alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([132.166.133.173]) by muguet2.intra.cea.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/CEAnet-Intranet-out-1.1) with ESMTP id n4QCIaap032134; Tue, 26 May 2009 14:18:36 +0200 Message-ID: <4A1BDE1C.4060901@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:18:36 +0200 From: Alexandru Petrescu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ulrich Herberg References: <47ADD111-46F6-470E-ABE2-7D0127E8FC05@gmail.com> <4A17C892.8020409@gmail.com> <1243328677.31179.5.camel@localhost> <4A1BC879.5080708@gmail.com> <25c114b90905260501j77b090et9672a8e9ef749d13@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <25c114b90905260501j77b090et9672a8e9ef749d13@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: autoconf@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Autoconf] meeting at the coming IETF75 X-BeenThere: autoconf@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Ad-Hoc Network Autoconfiguration WG discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:17:27 -0000 Hi Ulrich, Thanks for the reply. Ulrich Herberg a écrit : > Hi Alex, > > since Ryuji already replied to your email, just a little technical > comment: xml2rfc (nor the DTD) does not limit the number of authors. > (just verified with the newest version). Ok, things may have changed with the newest xml2rfc. A few weeks ago that was the case that xml2rfc limited authors to 5. > As Ryuji said, the documents that circulate have never been > officially posted, they are just working material. So the number of > authors, the title and even the whole content may still change until > a document from the DT is released. I am wondering what is the approach taken to write the draft: -have you agreed on a ToC and then distributed the sections for each author to write independently? -or is it a basic text laid down by some authors and then the other authors contribute in the form of comments to the initial text? I believe this latter approach may have been preferred. If yes - how was that basic text selected - out of which SF presentation? Alex > > Ulrich > > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Alexandru Petrescu > wrote: >> Ryuji, I have no intention to disturb any personal feelings, and >> this is not offence to any one's name, excuses in advance. >> >> minutes : >>> A design team has been established to propose kick-start this >>> work, with the following participants: >>> >>> o Teco Boot, Emmanuel Baccelli, Charles Perkins, Mark >>> Townsley, Thomas Narten, Ulrich Herberg. >> This doesn't match the initial announcement on this mailing list: >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/autoconf/current/msg01557.html >> which basically had 5 members. >> >> A couple of aspects of this change: >> >> -it's impractical to have more than 5 co-authors on an I-D >> authorship, xml format makes it for max 5. Of course, a >> contributors section could be used, and designate a couple of >> editors. -some drafts circulated on the DT archives have 3 >> co-authors - why not all 5, or 6? Are some members more important >> than others? >> >> About the document title: is it 'strawman' (announced by the DT >> forming)? 'framework' circulated in the DT archives)? 'practical >> model'? (Charter says). They don't seem to appear all at the same >> place. >> >> I don't want to sound alarmist, but I'm wondering whether the DT is >> not risking spending its time with work for which it is not >> Chartered to do? Just noting. >> >> Alex >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Autoconf mailing >> list Autoconf@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/autoconf >> >