From stewe@stewe.org Wed Dec 7 08:09:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68F021F8B24; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:09:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j27XmSQaNnJY; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from stewe.org (stewe.org [85.214.122.234]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458C121F858C; Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:09:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.58] (unverified [71.202.147.60]) by stewe.org (SurgeMail 3.9e) with ESMTP id 4446-1743317 for multiple; Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:09:07 +0100 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.13.0.110805 Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 08:08:40 -0800 From: Stephan Wenger To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Incoming liaison statement from MMUSIC Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="B_3406090145_2752175" X-Originating-IP: 71.202.147.60 X-Authenticated-User: stewe@stewe.org X-ORBS-Stamp: Your IP (71.202.147.60) was found in the spamhaus database. http://www.spamhaus.net Cc: avtext@ietf.org, avt@ietf.org, payload@ietf.org, xrblock@ietf.org Subject: [avtext] Incoming liaison statement from MMUSIC X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:09:11 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3406090145_2752175 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3406090145_2760267" --B_3406090145_2760267 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, mmusic has received an incoming liaison from MPEG, indicating that they have started on "codec independent media description code points". My understanding of this work is that these code points may be represented in SDP. My personal viewpoint is that this may well be sound architectural work, but it may be better conducted here in mmusic, at least when it comes to SDP representations and the related IANA work. However, I know nothing about this work beyond what's written in the statement, which is why I used "soft" language. Perhaps some of you can shed light into what's really going on. The assorted avt WGs are probably also affected, as some of the proposed code points sound like they are being described in payload formats, RTP extensions and perhaps even in xrblock. Let me suggest to use only the music list for discussions, as only mmusic is being addressed in the statement. As it is short, I have attached the statement in word format to this email. It will also appear shortly in the IETF liaison database. Regards, Stephan --B_3406090145_2760267 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
mmusic has= received an incoming liaison from MPEG, indicating that they have started o= n "codec independent media description code points".  My understanding = of this work is that these code points may be represented in SDP.
= My personal viewpoint is that this may well be sound architectural work, but= it may be better conducted here in mmusic, at least when it comes to SDP re= presentations and the related IANA work.  However, I know nothing = about this work beyond what's written in the statement, which is why I used = "soft" language.  Perhaps some of you can shed light into what's really= going on.
The assorted avt WGs are probably also affected, as som= e of the proposed code points sound like they are being described in payload= formats, RTP extensions and perhaps even in xrblock.  Let me suggest t= o use only the music list for discussions, as only mmusic is being addressed= in the statement.
As it is short, I have attached the statement i= n word format to this email.  It will also appear shortly in the IETF l= iaison database.
Regards,
Stephan
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From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" To: "avtext@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:53:11 +0100 Thread-Topic: [avtext] WG last call: draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-02 Thread-Index: AcykP87AFtDRrHdNSoueXNO+lpVAyAWFsHeQ Message-ID: References: <4EC37E43.7080609@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: <4EC37E43.7080609@ericsson.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.80 Subject: Re: [avtext] WG last call: draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-02 X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:53:15 -0000 (As WG cochair) So far we have seen zero responses on this document, despite the original d= eadline having expired. (Not even a single indication of someone having rea= d it) So could we set a new deadline of December 23rd for response. If you feel y= ou will read it but need longer, please send the chairs a mail. Regards Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: avtext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:avtext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Magnus Westerlund > Sent: 16 November 2011 09:12 > To: avtext@ietf.org > Subject: [avtext] WG last call: draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-02 >=20 > WG, >=20 > In todays WG meeting I announced the start of a 3 week WG last call that > ends on the 7th of December. The WG last call is for "Content Splicing > for RTP Sessions" > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp/ > with the intended status of Informational RFC >=20 > Please review and provide comments, even if it is just to say I read it > and I found no issues with the document. >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Magnus Westerlund >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 > F=E4r=F6gatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 > SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > avtext mailing list > avtext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext From keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com Wed Dec 14 03:53:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B59D21F84B5 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 03:53:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.151, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j9gsskhp2UF9 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 03:53:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from smail5.alcatel.fr (smail5.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.27]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0E021F84B4 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 03:53:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com (FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com [135.120.45.61]) by smail5.alcatel.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/ICT) with ESMTP id pBEBrcww014438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:53:39 +0100 Received: from FRMRSSXCHMBSC3.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.47]) by FRMRSSXCHHUB01.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.120.45.61]) with mapi; Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:53:38 +0100 From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" To: "avtext@ietf.org" Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:53:38 +0100 Thread-Topic: WGLC for draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-01 Thread-Index: AcypP0Dc31PKaJcUTCS5YCyjX9GRWwRF7uOg Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.69 on 155.132.188.13 Subject: Re: [avtext] WGLC for draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-01 X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:53:45 -0000 (As WG cochair) So far we have seen zero responses on this document, despite the original d= eadline having expired. (Not even a single indication of someone having rea= d it) So could we set a new deadline of December 23rd for response. If you feel y= ou will read it but need longer, please send the chairs a mail. Regards Keith > -----Original Message----- > From: avtext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:avtext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of DRAGE, Keith (Keith) > Sent: 22 November 2011 17:51 > To: avtext@ietf.org > Subject: [avtext] WGLC for draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-01 >=20 > (As WG cochair) >=20 > This is to announce a working group last call for draft-ietf-avtext-rams- > scenarios-01 >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios/ >=20 > Please respond to the list by December 13th 2011 (i.e. 3 weeks time) with > any comments. >=20 > This is intended as an informational RFC. >=20 > It is helpful to attempt to categorise the type of your comment (includin= g > severity) and also to assist to provide any replacement text you feel is > necessary. >=20 > If you review the document and have no comments, please tell the chairs > that you have reviewed it. This is always useful information in assessing > the degree of WG review and consensus behind the document. >=20 > Regards >=20 > Keith >=20 > _______________________________________________ > avtext mailing list > avtext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext From csp@csperkins.org Fri Dec 16 07:52:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B2721F8BB1 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:52:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.228 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.228 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.371, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vZ3UWHtOhf3X for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:52:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from anchor-msapost-2.mail.demon.net (anchor-msapost-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.165]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE0D21F8BAD for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:52:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mangole.dcs.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.247.112]) by anchor-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtpsa (AUTH csperkins-dwh) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) id 1Rba4p-0006Uz-jy; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:52:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Colin Perkins In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:52:00 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6ECC3D33-25F4-4CF5-AAF8-CE0D6205CCB7@csperkins.org> References: <4EC37E43.7080609@ericsson.com> To: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: "avtext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [avtext] WG last call: draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-02 X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:52:04 -0000 Keith, I've read this draft. The authors have addressed the comments I had = previously. Colin On 14 Dec 2011, at 11:53, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote: > (As WG cochair) >=20 > So far we have seen zero responses on this document, despite the = original deadline having expired. (Not even a single indication of = someone having read it) >=20 > So could we set a new deadline of December 23rd for response. If you = feel you will read it but need longer, please send the chairs a mail. >=20 > Regards >=20 > Keith >=20 >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: avtext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:avtext-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf >> Of Magnus Westerlund >> Sent: 16 November 2011 09:12 >> To: avtext@ietf.org >> Subject: [avtext] WG last call: draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-02 >>=20 >> WG, >>=20 >> In todays WG meeting I announced the start of a 3 week WG last call = that >> ends on the 7th of December. The WG last call is for "Content = Splicing >> for RTP Sessions" >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp/ >> with the intended status of Informational RFC >>=20 >> Please review and provide comments, even if it is just to say I read = it >> and I found no issues with the document. >>=20 >> Cheers >>=20 >> Magnus Westerlund >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 >> F=E4r=F6gatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 >> SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> avtext mailing list >> avtext@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext > _______________________________________________ > avtext mailing list > avtext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext --=20 Colin Perkins http://csperkins.org/ From csp@csperkins.org Fri Dec 16 07:53:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5BF21F851F for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:53:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.281 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.281 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.318, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3vv5gJd+NQCE for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:53:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from lon1-msapost-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-msapost-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.180]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3529C21F8500 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:53:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mangole.dcs.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.247.112]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtpsa (AUTH csperkins-dwh) (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) id 1Rba6F-0000YF-Xm; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:53:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Colin Perkins In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:53:30 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6BD3059D-0463-4B14-BBA9-930C793DA8B2@csperkins.org> References: To: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: "avtext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [avtext] WGLC for draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-01 X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:53:35 -0000 Keith, =46rom a quick read, it seems okay to me. Colin On 14 Dec 2011, at 11:53, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) wrote: > (As WG cochair) >=20 > So far we have seen zero responses on this document, despite the = original deadline having expired. (Not even a single indication of = someone having read it) >=20 > So could we set a new deadline of December 23rd for response. If you = feel you will read it but need longer, please send the chairs a mail. >=20 > Regards >=20 > Keith >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: avtext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:avtext-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf >> Of DRAGE, Keith (Keith) >> Sent: 22 November 2011 17:51 >> To: avtext@ietf.org >> Subject: [avtext] WGLC for draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-01 >>=20 >> (As WG cochair) >>=20 >> This is to announce a working group last call for = draft-ietf-avtext-rams- >> scenarios-01 >>=20 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios/ >>=20 >> Please respond to the list by December 13th 2011 (i.e. 3 weeks time) = with >> any comments. >>=20 >> This is intended as an informational RFC. >>=20 >> It is helpful to attempt to categorise the type of your comment = (including >> severity) and also to assist to provide any replacement text you feel = is >> necessary. >>=20 >> If you review the document and have no comments, please tell the = chairs >> that you have reviewed it. This is always useful information in = assessing >> the degree of WG review and consensus behind the document. >>=20 >> Regards >>=20 >> Keith >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> avtext mailing list >> avtext@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext > _______________________________________________ > avtext mailing list > avtext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext --=20 Colin Perkins http://csperkins.org/ From kevin.gross@avanw.com Fri Dec 16 09:22:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBC911E80AF for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:22:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.442, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ly+Pw2FrRHtH for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BC9B611E809A for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:22:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24061 invoked by uid 0); 16 Dec 2011 17:21:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host291.hostmonster.com) (74.220.215.91) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 2011 17:21:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=avanw.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version; bh=eOpsQUmVAi3rX7YjVkGA0KNFrma0QaTIWWuC8N02ijM=; b=BEk/7BeGE+fmGqvLg5bF9qpYrLj3GsdRApzOYpqknydaPFUnwgHYpQZA8AKJOsqR1pxrVARlBqspcOeSYoR3aJtmAvCtZvj8sOzcm/bFujYYRe6UwX37bTgef1uSJI3j; Received: from mail-fx0-f44.google.com ([209.85.161.44]) by host291.hostmonster.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RbbTc-0004Ko-3I for avtext@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:21:44 -0700 Received: by faas1 with SMTP id s1so3617328faa.31 for ; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:21:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.19.137 with SMTP id f9mr4161777wie.62.1324056102661; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:21:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.102.129 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:21:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:21:42 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kevin Gross To: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec53d5acfa96eb604b438d55a X-Identified-User: {1416:host291.hostmonster.com:avanwcom:avanw.com} {sentby:smtp auth 209.85.161.44 authed with kevin.gross@avanw.com} Cc: "avtext@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [avtext] WGLC for draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-01 X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:22:06 -0000 --bcaec53d5acfa96eb604b438d55a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have reviewed it. I have a couple editorial comments from fresh eyes. I did not find any technical problems. I am, however, not intimately familiar with RAMS. 1/ Last sentence in in section 4 has poor structure. I don't think it is technically ambiguous, just difficult to read. 2/ The introduction paragraph in section 5 feels incomplete. The reader is set adrift until a few paragraphs in to section 5.1 when it comes together again. 3/ Either elaborate or remove parenthetical in 5.2. Why is acquiring FEC without primary impractical? Is this also the case in the other scenarios? Kevin Gross +1-303-447-0517 Media Network Consultant AVA Networks - www.AVAnw.com , www.X192.org On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:53 AM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) < keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote: > (As WG cochair) > > So far we have seen zero responses on this document, despite the original > deadline having expired. (Not even a single indication of someone having > read it) > > So could we set a new deadline of December 23rd for response. If you feel > you will read it but need longer, please send the chairs a mail. > > Regards > > Keith > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: avtext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:avtext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > > Of DRAGE, Keith (Keith) > > Sent: 22 November 2011 17:51 > > To: avtext@ietf.org > > Subject: [avtext] WGLC for draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-01 > > > > (As WG cochair) > > > > This is to announce a working group last call for draft-ietf-avtext-rams- > > scenarios-01 > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios/ > > > > Please respond to the list by December 13th 2011 (i.e. 3 weeks time) with > > any comments. > > > > This is intended as an informational RFC. > > > > It is helpful to attempt to categorise the type of your comment > (including > > severity) and also to assist to provide any replacement text you feel is > > necessary. > > > > If you review the document and have no comments, please tell the chairs > > that you have reviewed it. This is always useful information in assessing > > the degree of WG review and consensus behind the document. > > > > Regards > > > > Keith > > > > _______________________________________________ > > avtext mailing list > > avtext@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext > _______________________________________________ > avtext mailing list > avtext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext > --bcaec53d5acfa96eb604b438d55a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have reviewed it. I have a couple editorial comments from fresh eyes. I d= id not find any technical problems. I am, however, not intimately familiar = with RAMS.

1/ Last=A0sentence=A0in in section 4 has poor= structure. I don't think it is technically ambiguous, just difficult t= o read.

2/ The introduction paragraph in section 5 feels incomp= lete. The reader is set adrift until a few paragraphs in to section 5.1 whe= n it comes together again.

3/ Either elaborate or = remove parenthetical in 5.2. Why is acquiring FEC without primary impractic= al? Is this also the case in the other scenarios?

Kevin Gross
+1-303-447-0517
Media = Network Consultant
AVA Networks -=A0www.AVAnw.com,=A0www.X192.org



On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:53 AM, DRAGE, = Keith (Keith) <keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
(As WG cochair)

So far we have seen zero responses on this document, despite the original d= eadline having expired. (Not even a single indication of someone having rea= d it)

So could we set a new deadline of December 23rd for response. If you feel y= ou will read it but need longer, please send the chairs a mail.

Regards

Keith

> -----Original Message-----
> From: avtext-bounces@ietf.o= rg [mailto:avtext-bounces@ie= tf.org] On Behalf
> Of DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
> Sent: 22 November 2011 17:51
> To: avtext@ietf.org
> Subject: [avtext] WGLC for draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-01
>
> (As WG cochair)
>
> This is to announce a working group last call for draft-ietf-avtext-ra= ms-
> scenarios-01
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avte= xt-rams-scenarios/
>
> Please respond to the list by December 13th 2011 (i.e. 3 weeks time) w= ith
> any comments.
>
> This is intended as an informational RFC.
>
> It is helpful to attempt to categorise the type of your comment (inclu= ding
> severity) and also to assist to provide any replacement text you feel = is
> necessary.
>
> If you review the document and have no comments, please tell the chair= s
> that you have reviewed it. This is always useful information in assess= ing
> the degree of WG review and consensus behind the document.
>
> Regards
>
> Keith
>
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--bcaec53d5acfa96eb604b438d55a-- From wwwrun@rfc-editor.org Fri Dec 16 12:53:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F4811E80C9; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:53:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.189 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.189 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.112, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311, J_CHICKENPOX_93=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Z6cKyxugXNN; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfcpa.amsl.com [12.22.58.47]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6233211E8089; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:53:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 7D83B72E008; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:52:03 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20111216205203.7D83B72E008@rfc-editor.org> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:52:03 -0800 (PST) Cc: avtext@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [avtext] RFC 6464 on A Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) Header Extension for Client-to-Mixer Audio Level Indication X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:53:11 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6464 Title: A Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) Header Extension for Client-to-Mixer Audio Level Indication Author: J. Lennox, Ed., E. Ivov, E. Marocco Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: December 2011 Mailbox: jonathan@vidyo.com, emcho@jitsi.org, enrico.marocco@telecomitalia.it Pages: 9 Characters: 18809 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-avtext-client-to-mixer-audio-level-06.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6464.txt This document defines a mechanism by which packets of Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) audio streams can indicate, in an RTP header extension, the audio level of the audio sample carried in the RTP packet. In large conferences, this can reduce the load on an audio mixer or other middlebox that wants to forward only a few of the loudest audio streams, without requiring it to decode and measure every stream that is received. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From wwwrun@rfc-editor.org Fri Dec 16 12:53:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A201F0C3F; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:53:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.178 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.178 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.101, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311, J_CHICKENPOX_93=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TDlWTp9Z-90g; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:53:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfcpa.amsl.com [12.22.58.47]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC421F0C7C; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:53:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 39EAA72E010; Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:52:15 -0800 (PST) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Message-Id: <20111216205215.39EAA72E010@rfc-editor.org> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:52:15 -0800 (PST) Cc: avtext@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: [avtext] RFC 6465 on A Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) Header Extension for Mixer-to-Client Audio Level Indication X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 20:53:27 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6465 Title: A Real-time Transport Protocol (RTP) Header Extension for Mixer-to-Client Audio Level Indication Author: E. Ivov, Ed., E. Marocco, Ed., J. Lennox Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF Date: December 2011 Mailbox: emcho@jitsi.org, enrico.marocco@telecomitalia.it, jonathan@vidyo.com Pages: 15 Characters: 30154 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-avtext-mixer-to-client-audio-level-06.txt URL: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6465.txt This document describes a mechanism for RTP-level mixers in audio conferences to deliver information about the audio level of individual participants. Such audio level indicators are transported in the same RTP packets as the audio data they pertain to. [STANDARDS-TRACK] This document is a product of the Audio/Video Transport Extensions Working Group of the IETF. This is now a Proposed Standard Protocol. 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The RFC Editor Team Association Management Solutions, LLC From abegen@cisco.com Sat Dec 17 15:30:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CD021F84CD for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 15:30:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eWvZ0S5JXE+T for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 15:30:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtv-iport-1.cisco.com (mtv-iport-1.cisco.com [173.36.130.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD00621F84C5 for ; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 15:30:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=abegen@cisco.com; l=3275; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1324164608; x=1325374208; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date: message-id:in-reply-to:references:from:to:cc; bh=+h2tRakUIC3c78SDsVxSQMQWzTJNOO6fndRWcQCMZVs=; b=V8gKrlYG50lgjgfu5jhscaFbk+tVFSLhkkjLQXh4Dnyf26Ipw/9mNfI6 3EW87Yrb6ko1WjjFzUuuj4aWLaNE+2/n83pybdVa5BC1wlcugq13FCu6a mJ3NcXTQKNLH9O9ZZOrHaZxCoJa1bhGyfzX8tpZGYgVlbV+gwq8jIz7LD Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArIAAKck7U6rRDoI/2dsb2JhbABAA5sLkE2BBYFyAQEBAwEBAQEPAQoTGSULBQcEAgEIBwoEAQEBCgYXAQYBJh8JCAEBBBMIGodYCJhzAZ1eiGWCPGMEiDafFw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,370,1320624000"; d="scan'208";a="19596639" Received: from mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by mtv-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Dec 2011 23:30:06 +0000 Received: from xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-231.cisco.com [128.107.191.100]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id pBHNU6OF032561; Sat, 17 Dec 2011 23:30:06 GMT Received: from xmb-sjc-215.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.169]) by xbh-sjc-231.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 17 Dec 2011 15:30:06 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 15:30:00 -0800 Message-ID: <04CAD96D4C5A3D48B1919248A8FE0D541089D931@xmb-sjc-215.amer.cisco.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [avtext] WGLC for draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-01 Thread-Index: Acy8Fz7RPdLIHNdmQcWn/0zlcnhxewA+/qTQ References: From: "Ali C. Begen (abegen)" To: "Kevin Gross" , "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2011 23:30:06.0879 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF6A72F0:01CCBD13] Cc: avtext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [avtext] WGLC for draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-01 X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 23:30:09 -0000 Hi Kevin, thanks for the review. > -----Original Message----- > From: avtext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:avtext-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Kevin Gross > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:22 PM > To: DRAGE, Keith (Keith) > Cc: avtext@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [avtext] WGLC for draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-01 >=20 > I have reviewed it. I have a couple editorial comments from fresh = eyes. I did not find any technical problems. I am, however, > not intimately familiar with RAMS. >=20 > 1/ Last sentence in in section 4 has poor structure. I don't think it = is technically ambiguous, just difficult to read. I'll try to revise it. =20 > 2/ The introduction paragraph in section 5 feels incomplete. The = reader is set adrift until a few paragraphs in to section 5.1 > when it comes together again. :) looks like it needs a bit of editing. =20 > 3/ Either elaborate or remove parenthetical in 5.2. Why is acquiring = FEC without primary impractical? Is this also the case in > the other scenarios? For those who are familiar with FEC, this clause should be pretty clear = but I don=92t see any harm in removing it. -acbegen =20 > Kevin Gross >=20 > +1-303-447-0517 > Media Network Consultant >=20 > AVA Networks - www.AVAnw.com , www.X192.org >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:53 AM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) = wrote: >=20 >=20 > (As WG cochair) >=20 > So far we have seen zero responses on this document, despite the = original deadline having expired. (Not even a single > indication of someone having read it) >=20 > So could we set a new deadline of December 23rd for response. If you = feel you will read it but need longer, please > send the chairs a mail. >=20 > Regards >=20 > Keith >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: avtext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:avtext-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf > > Of DRAGE, Keith (Keith) > > Sent: 22 November 2011 17:51 > > To: avtext@ietf.org > > Subject: [avtext] WGLC for draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-01 > > > > (As WG cochair) > > > > This is to announce a working group last call for = draft-ietf-avtext-rams- > > scenarios-01 > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios/ > > > > Please respond to the list by December 13th 2011 (i.e. 3 weeks = time) with > > any comments. > > > > This is intended as an informational RFC. > > > > It is helpful to attempt to categorise the type of your comment = (including > > severity) and also to assist to provide any replacement text you = feel is > > necessary. > > > > If you review the document and have no comments, please tell the = chairs > > that you have reviewed it. This is always useful information in = assessing > > the degree of WG review and consensus behind the document. > > > > Regards > > > > Keith > > > > _______________________________________________ > > avtext mailing list > > avtext@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext > _______________________________________________ > avtext mailing list > avtext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext >=20 >=20 From kevin.gross@avanw.com Sun Dec 18 10:17:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15DBD21F84B0 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:17:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.958 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.958 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xlj3cPTcXiyy for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:17:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EA4021F84AD for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:17:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 22069 invoked by uid 0); 18 Dec 2011 18:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host291.hostmonster.com) (74.220.215.91) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 2011 18:16:44 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=avanw.com; s=default; h=Content-Type:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version; bh=LmBbwaVXG04tDDWKXJAiEPYPqDXCXpwk6d4RI3/OPTc=; b=MmjnURkO/u99PvFlWKDE7Cbz8ufmFjML/59giDQ/wVF7hC1XfEXDwwA6F8KvgXO4dRUoDR/TnrJ02pbjRBGJwYxQSSgQpR16xWSQl87NIDzqGOFAXu7JeyMHFIxB7dQN; Received: from mail-ww0-f44.google.com ([74.125.82.44]) by host291.hostmonster.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RcLHw-0000M8-Ee for avtext@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:16:44 -0700 Received: by wgbdr13 with SMTP id dr13so7287438wgb.13 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:16:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.209.146 with SMTP id gg18mr10223141wbb.6.1324232202896; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:16:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.102.129 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Dec 2011 10:16:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <04CAD96D4C5A3D48B1919248A8FE0D541089D931@xmb-sjc-215.amer.cisco.com> References: <04CAD96D4C5A3D48B1919248A8FE0D541089D931@xmb-sjc-215.amer.cisco.com> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:16:42 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kevin Gross To: "Ali C. Begen (abegen)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151758a57c0dc53704b461d624 X-Identified-User: {1416:host291.hostmonster.com:avanwcom:avanw.com} {sentby:smtp auth 74.125.82.44 authed with kevin.gross@avanw.com} Cc: avtext@ietf.org Subject: Re: [avtext] WGLC for draft-ietf-avtext-rams-scenarios-01 X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 18:17:11 -0000 --00151758a57c0dc53704b461d624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Ali C. Begen (abegen) wr= ote: > > 3/ Either elaborate or remove parenthetical in 5.2. Why is acquiring FE= C > without primary impractical? Is this also the case in > > the other scenarios? > > For those who are familiar with FEC, this clause should be pretty clear > but I don=92t see any harm in removing it. > > I think it would be helpful to remove it. The draft is not really about FEC so that level of familiarity with FEC should not be a requirement. --00151758a57c0dc53704b461d624 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Ali C. Begen (a= begen) <abegen@cisco.com> wrote:
> 3/ Either elaborate or remove parenthetical in 5.2. Why is acquir= ing FEC without primary impractical? Is this also the case in
> the other scenarios?

For those who are familiar with FEC, this clause should be pretty cle= ar but I don=92t see any harm in removing it.

I th= ink it would be helpful to remove it. The draft is not really about FEC so = that level of=A0familiarity=A0with FEC should not be a requirement.
--00151758a57c0dc53704b461d624-- From ron.even.tlv@gmail.com Thu Dec 22 03:41:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5584921F8B79 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 03:41:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b1YkBUrKcfmr for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 03:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ee0-f44.google.com (mail-ee0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB2521F8AEA for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 03:41:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by eekc14 with SMTP id c14so7099262eek.31 for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 03:41:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=CWuQCqwRlEico/+9UwcI9OLwl/S7mQQb2s6ZP9ERdcI=; b=luFkt3BDpIKN1Y0yO9VgNPioOO0QRDj/d3isFH/xwRqw1yO3OlsxdTkO47ZKBGD+xU sTWgQ23A0nTFnXlrOYYqL5Mo+tkXIZkPVL8RUUEYKmXV6V+LRkvFkW9tMN9R2EzOIqlT vHOHFkgmba25shSg15D39iyjqAWiJ3dugBjkA= Received: by 10.14.3.232 with SMTP id 80mr4149235eeh.2.1324554079668; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 03:41:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from windows8d787f9 (bzq-79-177-70-34.red.bezeqint.net. [79.177.70.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y12sm31962250eeb.11.2011.12.22.03.41.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 22 Dec 2011 03:41:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Roni Even" To: "'DRAGE, Keith \(Keith\)'" , References: <4EC37E43.7080609@ericsson.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:38:13 +0200 Message-ID: <4ef3175c.0c320e0a.33c2.7677@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcykP87AFtDRrHdNSoueXNO+lpVAyAWFsHeQAZHL8AA= Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [avtext] WG last call: draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-02 X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:41:21 -0000 Hi, I read the document and think it is ready. I have one nit In section 2 "Splicing Out Point A virtual point in the RTP stream, suitable for substitutive content exist," should be exit not exist Roni > -----Original Message----- > From: avtext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:avtext-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of DRAGE, Keith (Keith) > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:53 PM > To: avtext@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [avtext] WG last call: = draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp- > 02 >=20 > (As WG cochair) >=20 > So far we have seen zero responses on this document, despite the > original deadline having expired. (Not even a single indication of > someone having read it) >=20 > So could we set a new deadline of December 23rd for response. If you > feel you will read it but need longer, please send the chairs a mail. >=20 > Regards >=20 > Keith >=20 >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: avtext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:avtext-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Magnus Westerlund > > Sent: 16 November 2011 09:12 > > To: avtext@ietf.org > > Subject: [avtext] WG last call: = draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-02 > > > > WG, > > > > In todays WG meeting I announced the start of a 3 week WG last call > > that ends on the 7th of December. The WG last call is for "Content > > Splicing for RTP Sessions" > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp/ > > with the intended status of Informational RFC > > > > Please review and provide comments, even if it is just to say I read > > it and I found no issues with the document. > > > > Cheers > > > > Magnus Westerlund > > > > = --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM > > = --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 > > F=E4r=F6gatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 > > SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > > = --------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > > > > _______________________________________________ > > avtext mailing list > > avtext@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext > 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22 Dec 2011 18:06:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2AD21F85A4; Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:06:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.64p1 Message-ID: <20111223020628.29921.20380.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:06:28 -0800 Cc: avtext@ietf.org Subject: [avtext] I-D Action: draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-03.txt X-BeenThere: avtext@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Audio/Video Transport Extensions working group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 02:06:29 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Extensions Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Content Splicing for RTP Sessions Author(s) : Jinwei Xia Filename : draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-03.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2011-12-22 This memo outlines RTP splicing. Splicing is a process that replaces the content of the main multimedia stream with other multimedia content, and delivers the substitutive multimedia content to receiver for a period of time. This memo provides some RTP splicing use cases, then we enumerate a set of requirements and analyze whether an existing RTP level middlebox can meet these requirements, at last we provide concrete guidelines for how the chosen middlebox works to handle RTP splicing. 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In section 3, the User Invisibility Requirement is introduced, but it is not assigned a requirement number. Later, in section 4, this same requirement is referred to as "special requirement 6". I understand the special nature of this requirement, but perhaps it would be better to label it as REQ-6 within section 3. At the end of section 4, it reads, "splicing clue on user" and "to prevent user". In both instances, I assume "user" is referring to the receiver of the current RTP stream. It might be helpful to add this to the terminology in section 2, or to simply replace "user" with "receiver of the current RTP stream". Cheers, Charles > -----Original Message----- > From: avtext-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:avtext-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:06 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: avtext@ietf.org > Subject: [avtext] I-D Action: draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-03.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work > item of the Audio/Video Transport Extensions Working Group of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Content Splicing for RTP Sessions > Author(s) : Jinwei Xia > Filename : draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-03.txt > Pages : 16 > Date : 2011-12-22 >=20 > This memo outlines RTP splicing. Splicing is a process that replaces > the content of the main multimedia stream with other multimedia > content, and delivers the substitutive multimedia content to receiver > for a period of time. This memo provides some RTP splicing use > cases, then we enumerate a set of requirements and analyze whether an > existing RTP level middlebox can meet these requirements, at last we > provide concrete guidelines for how the chosen middlebox works to > handle RTP splicing. >=20 >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-0 3.txt >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-03 .txt >=20 > _______________________________________________ > avtext mailing list > avtext@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/avtext From xiajinwei@huawei.com Thu Dec 29 17:55:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: avtext@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 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This draft is a work item of the Audio/Video Transport Extensions Work= ing Group of the IETF. Title : Content Splicing for RTP Sessions Author(s) : Jinwei Xia Filename : draft-ietf-avtext-splicing-for-rtp-04.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2011-12-30 This memo outlines RTP splicing. Splicing is a process that replaces the content of the main multimedia stream with other multimedia content, and delivers the substitutive multimedia content to receiver for a period of time. This memo provides some RTP splicing use cases, then we enumerate a set of requirements and analyze whether an existing RTP level middlebox can meet these requirements, at last we provide concrete guidelines for how the chosen middlebox works to handle RTP splicing. 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