From nobody Thu Jul 7 13:38:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8BE812D5AD for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 13:38:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ckQvujDPYz-l for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 13:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x234.google.com (mail-oi0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AB9512D54D for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 13:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x234.google.com with SMTP id s66so39492886oif.1 for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 13:38:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=yz6/APugoDJUFYelt4RrtUQ8IGDdsU1HgYQ4Dq0vuuI=; b=M8VRCukehCeQ1oYN7BJNcoXU7poYr1L2P/Gz+SxpUjUwXJ1pJvmrpKP32QO8VD5UsH XWjCElK4svSr0HgT1TgY5ZMNyM/QtQmo4VE4Zln5axVb1Arsi9YlV4C+FSSJU9zuXpHq Ekv0y9YN+PAIE4o0Aal6HDWXmDer2eeKNX3W+Vu+IsMf9dU9j2YmtHkCXxcxoJwdxo1G wq03kMWdAonnoOgtBWHt6RnkoOd4ei2GIaKPJfX2USqoe0OFp1gSYncryhPNzMOzdVVJ 3a4YRavoZSLdap9N66QflQkYcybWBJH7tj5mfGO2qZS56NlLjv/g0O0AmXlzSV+L8jSh Q1Sw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=yz6/APugoDJUFYelt4RrtUQ8IGDdsU1HgYQ4Dq0vuuI=; b=HnQ9wDzMDh9Sdg9jHWylvHZy5svyjFilhM4NuhXAup5j3LXZbSjW2rbuqpijlAwxzu wYwgnsX0L8dZKZ6veYnXqKseL7Be8LiNfshod1mnSfHh3peLppk7yV7KuW4dIZRORZX/ taWt2nV6hSMT7WROIn1sbE88YqPq+ne/ccSvSSHowXh5m4LHAM3YL02Wi943+WsZG6P/ hpAUEBvqZAdXls9rUZ1aIvrYWdWGY+awhH6N3edjdgSwpNzPxz+wdWlag7MYdykD1wRo Nxq/sC5beKLwP0KTUkaUxA3awsM+OoDsABm3p7N4Iq5BdYwvi76gdulFHPhQj117LgoF f7RA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIRspGXgmTaCNyaelt4FGuFbxdwf3KViOHoG55UYoLzSQ9aJaN3DB13VmxAiwvs7yjAKUdLBZBMoPOjgA== X-Received: by 10.157.47.103 with SMTP id h94mr1385541otb.170.1467923894979; Thu, 07 Jul 2016 13:38:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.52.242 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jul 2016 13:38:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <15592c852dd.d37fe80b13048.2927765307740444705@ovsienko.info> References: <029c01d1ce7e$4fedf110$efc9d330$@gmail.com> <15592c852dd.d37fe80b13048.2927765307740444705@ovsienko.info> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 16:38:00 -0400 Message-ID: To: Denis Ovsienko Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c04d0dc515645053711aa56 Archived-At: Cc: Babel at IETF Subject: Re: [babel] Pool for presentations at Berlin IETF X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 20:38:18 -0000 --94eb2c04d0dc515645053711aa56 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Denis, Thanks for the message. If you do have something you would like to present, it is possible to arrange for remote presentation. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Denis Ovsienko wrote: > ---- On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 02:10:06 +0100 Russ White<7riw77@gmail.com> > wrote ---- > > Y'all -- > > > > The BABEL working group has a two hour slot at the IETF in Berlin -- are > > there folks who would like to present current drafts, or potentially > other > > interesting work? > > Dear working group chairs and members, > > I would like to attend this time too, but to get things done I have to > skip the meeting in person and try remote participation. > > At the moment I am progressing through my reading list of relevant > documents and looking to rig a testbed up. I do read the mailing list. > > -- > Denis Ovsienko > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel > --94eb2c04d0dc515645053711aa56 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Denis,

Thanks for the message. If yo= u do have something you would like to present, it is possible to arrange fo= r remote presentation.

Thanks= ,
Donald
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=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0 +1= -508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A0155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA
= =C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.co= m

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Denis Ovsi= enko <denis@ovsienko.info> wrote:
---- On Sat, 25 Jun 2016 02:10:06 +0100 Russ White<7riw77@gmail.com> wrote ----
=C2=A0> Y'all --
=C2=A0>
=C2=A0> The BABEL working group has a two hour slot at the IETF in Berli= n -- are
=C2=A0> there folks who would like to present current drafts, or potenti= ally other
=C2=A0> interesting work?

Dear working group chairs and members,

I would like to attend this time too, but to get things done I have to skip= the meeting in person and try remote participation.

At the moment I am progressing through my reading list of relevant document= s and looking to rig a testbed up. I do read the mailing list.

--
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Denis Ovsienko

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 23:17:38 -0000 ---- On Thu, 07 Jul 2016 21:38:00 +0100 Donald Eastlake wrote ---- >Hi Denis, > >Thanks for the message. If you do have something you would like to present, it is possible to arrange for remote presentation. Hello all. Things on my list of things not yet completed: 1. Finish reading through related RFCs. 2. Estimate the source code details necessary to add RFC7298 support to the standalone babeld. 3. Draw a few packet diagrams and try to understand better if my old assumptions about address encoding make enough sense to be written down somewhere on the Babel version 3 roadmap (not for implementation, of course). I expect to have a day tomorrow to spend on specifically that, then we shall see if I can add anything interesting. It would help a bit to see a written description of the security mechanism that I've been told Markus had proposed, as it often takes time for the information to make it through before I can discuss it. Thanks! -- Denis Ovsienko From nobody Fri Jul 8 05:21:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietf.org Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2565F12D08D; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 05:21:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.25.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160708122114.32131.82311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 05:21:14 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: babel@ietf.org Subject: [babel] I-D Action: draft-ietf-babel-applicability-00.txt X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 12:21:14 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Babel routing protocol of the IETF. Title : Applicability of the Babel routing protocol Author : Juliusz Chroboczek Filename : draft-ietf-babel-applicability-00.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2016-07-08 Abstract: This document describes some application areas where the Babel routing protocol [RFC6126] has been found to be useful. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-babel-applicability/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-babel-applicability-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jul 8 09:28:44 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5974412D8EE for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:28:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TwCTdd1IjfbO for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x231.google.com (mail-oi0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B86212D7F3 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:28:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x231.google.com with SMTP id s66so65250318oif.1 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 09:28:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xu7Qx4iO2IyRKq9dxh6yurTXVKnRjW4BXDW+gEFCvGk=; b=gt3X71JXmfRjKv/YCmv1Lx8S32yvNpHPcGItsSAE/WYlYtuYB9jbwNGD5ytREskXH7 H6kWIYQtYoB8yuhtKuo+BUGgv1kfyyfDTs4bLLtavxguQr2Vsvpr06JQu0oQPLGpX0o1 UZD0T3aEeVguQ8+jXNUrgkpbBxko4uYmEWh2Pq/J9OXqed7OD/BTZ4H5bZ0ws6JVGn5z JQB+sq41TkpthntKeoECLohcGmr/ZzYuMnnCGnxG0AeyvjX+B6u1wkOKA8m0vGIQGWDo 994lxm2WJQSjn0w3C9NnPTosscYd/dBhB44lIR5rA0NTP2fh6AywI23/13q5sGRHs91y dNHw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xu7Qx4iO2IyRKq9dxh6yurTXVKnRjW4BXDW+gEFCvGk=; b=LLNl9dn5szkSiupCZu3p1zPg45fa8z16+/ptPOhqebPjGjgSAoUWaO3ALK34c36pAc 2I+ESWdDZMe2bSRSh6UtagPUbzz/UWs12CIhMW5ikjCkg6oTwlQjFqYgG+14uz9fqBX1 0Yh81yQzZq5WnSJvZ429XXQpLmnmpM8SvRRG7GGyt50LKEHplxQE0ajNUVN0Kf8JxaeH aLKUOxiBNiZe4CUQCwP0Y+ish7n0LfiKltf+XyFC4eXXfp1L1lXpy9n7yGECihIxqzoZ KzBfIiEg/59M6vi9J4/Go9sO+UyFNNRWVzobmqQuENAjy9Oltt1i7ztq1dUZa2ccmOXw E8Fg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tINpSkTRMIM7Mqs92ywTFnocYX76bpZnX5qemuHEL5HLJ58SAC6V/87MKT0m+bPCeAck3gs8JLZmNoStw== X-Received: by 10.157.2.198 with SMTP id 64mr3862761otl.159.1467995313448; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 09:28:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.52.242 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 09:28:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Donald Eastlake Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 12:28:18 -0400 Message-ID: To: Babel at IETF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Subject: [babel] draft-chroboczek-babel-applicability has been adopted by the BABEL WG X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 16:28:41 -0000 Hi, There is consensus for the adoption of draft-chroboczek-babel-applicability-01 as a Babel WG document. Thanks, Donald and Russ =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Donald Eastlake Date: Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:23 PM Subject: Poll for Working Group adoption of draft-chroboczek-babel-applicability (6/24-7/8) To: Babel at IETF Hi, This starts a two-week poll on adopting https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chroboczek-babel-applicability/ as a BABEL WG document, Please indicate if you think this sort or should not be adopted as a starting point. Comments on the draft are also welcome. Thanks, Donald & Russ =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com From nobody Fri Jul 8 11:11:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B26312D61D for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 11:11:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NR5bTXpnft5C for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 11:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9640712D624 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 11:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id u68I20td021782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 20:02:00 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id u68I20an015664 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 20:02:00 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AA161FA2 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 20:02:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id BM5UPTYPaew6 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 20:01:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lanthane.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (unknown [172.23.36.54]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 67A2B61FA1 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2016 20:01:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lanthane.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr) by lanthane.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1bLa6A-0000XI-60 for babel@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2016 20:01:58 +0200 Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 20:01:58 +0200 Message-ID: <7i8txcm2jt.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org References: <20160708180127.32071.69685.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: message/rfc822 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Fri, 08 Jul 2016 20:02:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Fri, 08 Jul 2016 20:02:00 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 577FEA98.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 18:11:10 -0000 Delivered-To: jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: "Juliusz Chroboczek" Subject: New Version Notification for draft-chroboczek-babel-rfc6126bis-00.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.25.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160708180127.32071.69685.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 11:01:27 -0700 A new version of I-D, draft-chroboczek-babel-rfc6126bis-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Juliusz Chroboczek and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-chroboczek-babel-rfc6126bis Revision: 00 Title: The Babel Routing Protocol Document date: 2016-07-08 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 45 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-chroboczek-babel-rfc6126bis-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chroboczek-babel-rfc6126bis/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chroboczek-babel-rfc6126bis-00 Abstract: Babel is a loop-avoiding distance-vector routing protocol that is robust and efficient both in ordinary wired networks and in wireless mesh networks. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 18:25:35 -0000 Hi, I've tried to reproduce the text of RFC 6126 in xml2rfc form as closely as possible. There are no deliberate changes between RFC 6126 and -00, I did not even integrate the erratum. 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[162.229.180.77]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t80sm3522308ita.21.2016.07.09.08.33.22 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 09 Jul 2016 08:33:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Russ White" <7riw77@gmail.com> To: Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 11:33:19 -0400 Message-ID: <022601d1d9f7$39031d70$ab095850$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AdHZ9wJcIZibNwRBRIeOG+xUKBu2UA== Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Call for Slides -- X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 15:33:26 -0000 Y'all -- Presenters at the upcoming meeting -- please send your slides to bable-chairs@ietf.org. We need to get these checked over and uploaded into the meeting tool "really soon now." Thanks! :-) Russ From nobody Sat Jul 9 08:54:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E99412D097 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 08:54:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jt3JQfsH5Wxj for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 08:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E041E12D096 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 08:54:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id u69FsVbh032415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:54:31 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id u69FsV8Y006625; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:54:31 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A59661F9D; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:54:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id sYUYcBHu1wtY; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:54:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trurl.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (col75-1-78-194-40-74.fbxo.proxad.net [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E5A6E61FA2; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:54:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 17:54:38 +0200 Message-ID: <8737ni958h.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: "Russ White" <7riw77@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <022601d1d9f7$39031d70$ab095850$@gmail.com> References: <022601d1d9f7$39031d70$ab095850$@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Sat, 09 Jul 2016 17:54:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Sat, 09 Jul 2016 17:54:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 57811E37.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 15:54:36 -0000 > Presenters at the upcoming meeting -- please send your slides to > bable-chairs@ietf.org. I may have missed something -- but who are the speakers? I've requested a slot for myself, but unless I've missed something I haven't received a reply. > We need to get these checked over and uploaded into the meeting tool > "really soon now." What's the deadline? Can we still change them later? -- Juliusz From nobody Sat Jul 9 14:03:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0317312D149 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 14:03:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l2rLFUyBoWmV for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 14:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x234.google.com (mail-oi0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F9FF12B019 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 14:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x234.google.com with SMTP id u201so102318240oie.0 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:03:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SnoMx7e0+yJ74066giiJGagSHsCNTCTbJzko/7dyemA=; b=DjexC8lOtMLrxPER5z45k8Xbzoem9cnP0N8u03zpitapvs0AvYMyL2Km0dVc5yFqQq eiQFLAfvPyiQSKPtAFX5hOopffOXrrA69cDFqjEZq8iwdpYAzbnOmymjoo6i+sQXrXv4 Id6wFI5M0mXDa8TuvxuvA4I5zL4kzQxqVVRbCEM+rInXeNFX7+bJN2RIMOW26kifSGF+ ZamCCWfLbZ+vwOkheMFZT+VkYUSn30HIHe143DhwDkjjVTTuXfE9Jxn+WttjLtekUl5U 0l/V/RPgygRr4+vdjDtZskUsqdQuJaxGqZymQDwAk4hHbhpSPfk12PD2+/wShConfSzQ rBJw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SnoMx7e0+yJ74066giiJGagSHsCNTCTbJzko/7dyemA=; b=VCSziQOGF2kVy9JUQLHqnaQiOK2zYiPELtI4Z3LUtjXm4xdDt+jRaL8JMNPcqTHUyK l/WiiwSuTyGOSj0zS8Tdg+6m5Jvev1FSYh4t0KscN1JjLuxyF+1/aOdf8VwtygmBPr0o PDbjLf4ME54t8Ru6O9BVlOvgVReI2iZJHlYnjaW2RuL0BxaRrHqv0FRRDfumiVm0jk0m fgF1n5fkvSm3EeO21Hzn9x7MMuFT8+Ge+a4URgB1FNcEZnw9I0BLt1FHlvqFFDdcf1iX 1/uBtDK3lFwRhd3IFZThgpgZHkwJoGU7HcKcxSdMw2qkAbWYMHs68x3hIpIL+51u795y w/Bg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIZKOT+76W+iGmMc6rto62kkWuwAYITJd0Gxak8sF8ADQXpok6DiIVb2s9gqZhgMTxD8yRH1ssc247CSg== X-Received: by 10.202.229.66 with SMTP id c63mr6673144oih.81.1468098180917; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:03:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.52.242 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 14:02:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8737ni958h.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> References: <022601d1d9f7$39031d70$ab095850$@gmail.com> <8737ni958h.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:02:46 -0400 Message-ID: To: Juliusz Chroboczek Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1141bdea91acbe05373a3e5e Archived-At: Cc: Babel at IETF , Russ White <7riw77@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [babel] Call for Slides -- X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 21:03:03 -0000 --001a1141bdea91acbe05373a3e5e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, Sorry, I should have posted a message when I uploaded the tentative agenda. See BABEL in the IETF-96 Meeting Materials page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/materials/ Obviously getting in slides earlier is better but they can be updated lated... Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek < jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> wrote: > > Presenters at the upcoming meeting -- please send your slides to > > bable-chairs@ietf.org. > > I may have missed something -- but who are the speakers? I've requested > a slot for myself, but unless I've missed something I haven't received > a reply. > > > We need to get these checked over and uploaded into the meeting tool > > "really soon now." > > What's the deadline? Can we still change them later? > > -- Juliusz > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel > --001a1141bdea91acbe05373a3e5e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Sorry, I should have posted a messa= ge when I uploaded the tentative agenda. See BABEL in the IETF-96 Meeting M= aterials page:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/materials/

Obviously getting in slides earlier is better but the= y can be updated lated...

Tha= nks,
Donald
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=C2=A0Donald E. Eastlake 3rd =C2=A0= +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
=C2=A0155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA=C2=A0d3e3e3@gmail.= com

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Juliusz Chr= oboczek <jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> wrote:
> Presenters at the up= coming meeting -- please send your slides to
> bable-chairs@ietf.org.
I may have missed something -- but who are the speakers?=C2=A0 I'= ;ve requested
a slot for myself, but unless I've missed something I haven't recei= ved
a reply.

> We need to get these checked over and uploaded into the meeting tool > "really soon now."

What's the deadline?=C2=A0 Can we still change them later?

-- Juliusz

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--001a1141bdea91acbe05373a3e5e-- From nobody Sat Jul 9 14:47:43 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE21D12B059 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 14:47:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zFuiuh6OEz9g for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 14:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sender163-mail.zoho.com (sender163-mail.zoho.com [74.201.84.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D14612B01E for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 14:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zoho.com by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1468100859261362.68888886203536; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 14:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 22:47:39 +0100 From: Denis Ovsienko To: Message-ID: <155d1a1554a.cfe8dc50122420.3398047884474917113@ovsienko.info> In-Reply-To: <155c7a6eee4.eda0842e73445.8229171860495056024@ovsienko.info> References: <029c01d1ce7e$4fedf110$efc9d330$@gmail.com> <15592c852dd.d37fe80b13048.2927765307740444705@ovsienko.info> <155c7a6eee4.eda0842e73445.8229171860495056024@ovsienko.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] Pool for presentations at Berlin IETF X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 21:47:42 -0000 >1. Finish reading through related RFCs. Made it through two more documents. The idea of security difference between distance vector and link state protocols seems to be quite useful in that it should help to avoid more design approaches that are not going to help. I will keep going. -- Denis Ovsienko From nobody Tue Jul 12 10:22:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A6212D544 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:21:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8UIHnJG8VxrU for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sender163-mail.zoho.com (sender163-mail.zoho.com [74.201.84.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCD6F12D5B1 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zoho.com by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1468344107778244.88359077010432; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:21:47 +0100 From: Denis Ovsienko To: "Babel at IETF" Message-ID: <155e02102cc.b9c8f25c210102.3836370527282629171@ovsienko.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Archived-At: Subject: [babel] delay/replay attack on RFC 7298 mechanism X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:21:52 -0000 Hello all. Let me try to describe what seems to be a flaw in RFC 7298 mechanism. For example, there are two routers: Ra, which advertises network Na, and Rb, which advertises network Nb. The keys have been provisioned and the security associations configured. The two routers authenticate each other and everything works as it should. Ra sends: Hello(Ra), IHU(Rb), Update(Na), TS/PC, HMAC Rb sends: Hello(Rb), IHU(Ra), Update(Nb), TS/PC, HMAC Now an adversary takes a control over the link such that Ra's Babel packets reach Rb, but Rb's Babel packets don't reach Ra. Soon Ra times its neighbour entry for Rb out. Ra sends: Hello(Ra), Update(Na), TS/PC, HMAC Rb sends: Hello(Rb), IHU(Ra), Update(Nb), TS/PC, HMAC Now if the adversary not just discards Babel packets from Rb to Ra but records them for a while (1 hour, for instance), replaying these recorded packets towards Ra after Rb gives up and leaves would trick Ra to believe Rb is on the other end again and is advertising Nb as before: Ra sends: Hello(Ra), IHU(Rb), Update(Na), TS/PC, HMAC "Rb" sends: Hello(Rb), IHU(Ra), Update(Nb), TS/PC, HMAC This behaviour depends on two current design points: 1. The authentication mechanism is only concerned if the packets were originally produced by a legitimate router, came in order and were not modified. As long as those conditions are met, the delay between any input packets may be any amount of time. 2. The main protocol body takes any IHU as a recent response to a recent Hello as it is currently impossible to relate an IHU to a particular Hello (Hellos do have 16-bit sequence numbers but IHUs don't). The RTT metric Babel extension seems to be close to this problem/solution space, as well as the TLVs that include a nonce number to correlate the request and response. RFC 4593 terms for this would be "overclaiming" for the action and "usurpation" for the consequence. I have not tested this attack on wire and would be glad to stand corrected, but if it works the way I see it now this flaw will have to be addressed. -- Denis Ovsienko From nobody Wed Jul 13 19:51:07 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B004712D1A1 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:51:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E9fCSatLjl58 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5682712D186 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 19:51:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id u6E2p1Cu006011; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 04:51:01 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CFA61F9D; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 04:51:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id JmFPhitjWsTV; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 04:50:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trurl.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (col75-1-78-194-40-74.fbxo.proxad.net [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1253E61FA2; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 04:50:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 04:51:01 +0200 Message-ID: <87d1mhoru2.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org, babel@ietf.org, battlemesh@ml.ninux.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Thu, 14 Jul 2016 04:51:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5786FE15.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5786FE15.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5786FE15.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: [babel] Reminder: IETF 96 next week, remote participation is encouraged X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 02:51:06 -0000 Dear all, This is to remind you that IETF 96 is next week in Berlin. There will be two sessions that should be of interest to members of these lists: Homenet, on Monday 18 July at 14:00 in room "Potsdam I"; Babel, on Thursday 21 July at 16:20 in room "Potsdam II". Other sessions might be interesting too -- probably MP-TCP, MANET, rtgwg, perhaps v6ops. The full agenda is on https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/agenda.html Remote participation is possible (and very much welcome), please see https://www.ietf.org/meeting/remote-participation.html I recommend using Meetecho with Firefox (for some reason I wasn't able to get Chromium to work). If you are physically in Berlin, I couldn't possibly be seen to encourage you to sneak into the session without paying the (exorbitant) conference fees. That would be against the rules. I might be giving a talk about Babel at Freifunk on Wednesday, but it hasn't been confirmed yet. In any case, if you're interested in Babel and you're in Berlin, I'll be happy to meet. -- Juliusz From nobody Thu Jul 14 05:18:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5BA912D7DB for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:18:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ls-72Z2hw9vu for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:18:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sender163-mail.zoho.com (sender163-mail.zoho.com [74.201.84.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7450412D0F1 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zoho.com by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1468498691386601.0528448536743; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 05:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:18:11 +0100 From: Denis Ovsienko To: "Babel at IETF" Message-ID: <155e957c435.ce572f94276352.5573721139773988447@ovsienko.info> In-Reply-To: <155e02102cc.b9c8f25c210102.3836370527282629171@ovsienko.info> References: <155e02102cc.b9c8f25c210102.3836370527282629171@ovsienko.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: Medium User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] delay/replay attack on RFC 7298 mechanism X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 12:18:18 -0000 [...] >This behaviour depends on two current design points: >1. The authentication mechanism is only concerned if the packets were originally produced by a legitimate router, came in order and were not modified. As long as those conditions are met, the delay between any input packets may be any amount of time. >2. The main protocol body takes any IHU as a recent response to a recent Hello as it is currently impossible to relate an IHU to a particular Hello (Hellos do have 16-bit sequence numbers but IHUs don't). The RTT metric Babel extension seems to be close to this problem/solution space, as well as the TLVs that include a nonce number to correlate the request and response. > I have considered the problem for some more time. A possible solution to this could be: 1. To add a "your last seen TS/PC" sub-TLV to each IHU TLV on sending. 2. To check that the sub-TLV stands for a reasonably recent point in time on receiving. 3. To consider if any other replayed TLVs would be actionable without the requirement of a verified two-way neighbourship. 4. To revise Section 5.1 of RFC 7298 thoroughly to accommodate those changes. It would be nice to produce a simple measure of "freshness" like MAX_HELLO_TIMESTAMP_DIFF in RFC 7183 without the dependency on a pre-synchronised time, which in practice tends to depend on working routing. This chicken-and-egg situation should be avoided. Would anybody be interested to discuss this during the working group meeting? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:52:35 -0000 In a previous IETF, there was an offer to help people get routers set up wi= th OpenWRT, HNCP, and such. Might that be possible in Berlin? I have 2 WNDR4300 routers that want desperately to help me test out Babel a= nd HNCP. My intern has tried very hard to get everything loaded, but has ru= n into problems that seem to require editing the signature in the OpenWRT b= uild and editing DNS settings.=20 I'm thinking at this point that if I could just bring these routers to Berl= in with me and get someone who knows what they're doing to get them up and = running, it might be easier than getting my intern to figure it out. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:24:11 -0000 --001a114035e2428cce053799419c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 By all means, bring them. On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 9:52 AM, STARK, BARBARA H wrote: > In a previous IETF, there was an offer to help people get routers set up > with OpenWRT, HNCP, and such. > Might that be possible in Berlin? > I have 2 WNDR4300 routers that want desperately to help me test out Babel > and HNCP. My intern has tried very hard to get everything loaded, but has > run into problems that seem to require editing the signature in the OpenWRT > build and editing DNS settings. > I'm thinking at this point that if I could just bring these routers to > Berlin with me and get someone who knows what they're doing to get them up > and running, it might be easier than getting my intern to figure it out. > Barbara > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel > --001a114035e2428cce053799419c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
By all means, bring them.
=
On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 9:52 AM, STARK, BARB= ARA H <bs7652@att.com> wrote:
In a previous IETF, there was an offer to help people get routers set up w= ith OpenWRT, HNCP, and such.
Might that be possible in Berlin?
I have 2 WNDR4300 routers that want desperately to help me test out Babel a= nd HNCP. My intern has tried very hard to get everything loaded, but has ru= n into problems that seem to require editing the signature in the OpenWRT b= uild and editing DNS settings.
I'm thinking at this point that if I could just bring these routers to = Berlin with me and get someone who knows what they're doing to get them= up and running, it might be easier than getting my intern to figure it out= .
Barbara

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 15:53:57 -0000 --94eb2c0546e852fc3705379a82fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 There will be space for hackathon collaboration during the week also. Regards, Alia On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, STARK, BARBARA H wrote: > > I'm thinking at this point that if I could just bring these routers to >> Berlin with me and get someone who knows what they're doing to get them up >> and running, it might be easier than getting my intern to figure it out. >> > > I'll bring two of my homenet testing routers as well (WNDR3800). I'll be > at the hackathon if you want something to talk to. > > -- > Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se > > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel > --94eb2c0546e852fc3705379a82fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There will be space for hackathon collaboration during the= week also.

Regards,
Alia

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 11= :31 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016, STARK, BARB= ARA H wrote:

I'm thinking at this point that if I could just bring these routers to = Berlin with me and get someone who knows what they're doing to get them= up and running, it might be easier than getting my intern to figure it out= .

 I'll bring two of my homenet testing routers as well (WNDR3800). I'= ll be at the hackathon if you want something to talk to.

--
Mikael Abrahamsson=C2=A0 =C2=A0 email: swmike@swm.pp.se
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--94eb2c0546e852fc3705379a82fb-- From nobody Thu Jul 14 09:16:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5032B12D776 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 09:16:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IliCS9skmqYK for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 09:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E0B512D0E9 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 09:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id u6EGGDUE027643; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:16:13 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75BF461F9D; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:16:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id tnsOdUeZV_uc; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:16:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trurl.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (col75-1-78-194-40-74.fbxo.proxad.net [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E391A61FA2; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:16:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:16:14 +0200 Message-ID: <87h9bsp54h.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: "STARK, BARBARA H" In-Reply-To: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E611426CEFDC@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> References: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E611426CEFDC@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:16:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5787BACD.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5787BACD.005 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5787BACD.005 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Cc: "babel@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [babel] help testing Babel X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 16:16:20 -0000 > In a previous IETF, there was an offer to help people get routers set up > with OpenWRT, HNCP, and such. Might that be possible in Berlin? It looks like you get to choose among the volunteers ;-) > My intern has tried very hard to get everything loaded, but has run into > problems Will the intern be in Berlin? If not, it might be a good idea to ask them to write down what they tried. -- Juliusz From nobody Thu Jul 14 10:12:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5E712D12E for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:12:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.619 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.619 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TA8CNDbFjDTL for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.149.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDD712D0AA for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049287.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049287.ppops.net-00191d01. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:38:44 -0000 Well, doing the nightlies from lede-project's reboot of openwrt has not had any issues in a while, re, signing, at least. https://www.lede-project.org/development.html you can tell /etc/opkg.conf to not check the signatures, also. On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:11 AM, STARK, BARBARA H wrote: > The intern will not be in Berlin, but this is the info she gave me. She= =E2=80=99s > not familiar with OpenWRT (other than what she=E2=80=99s managed to learn= over the > past few weeks by reading online info and postings from others), and onli= ne > info/postings are very sketchy on how to accomplish what the error messag= es > suggest needs to be done. > > I=E2=80=99m happy to take this off-line, if this isn=E2=80=99t a good top= ic for the babel > list. But I figure it is definitely related to getting babel tested. > > > > There are two error when trying to update the packages for hnet and babel= , > and they appear to be unrelated. I have clipped images of both of them an= d > attached them. For the first issue, several suggestions from the forum sa= y > that editing the signature in the build will allow it to work, though I a= m > unsure how to do this. For the second issue, there is a possibility of it > being a DNS problem, but I couldn't figure out how to fix it in messing w= ith > DNS settings. > > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel > --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht Let's go make home routers and wifi faster! With better software! http://blog.cerowrt.org From nobody Thu Jul 14 10:45:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9572B12D0DC for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:45:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cAo7Wdc9qZkO for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5169412D0A6 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 10:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id u6EHjD0e018393; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 19:45:13 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB1C61FA2; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 19:45:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id ZmRgQLmsGYId; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 19:45:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trurl.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (col75-1-78-194-40-74.fbxo.proxad.net [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 697A361FA1; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 19:45:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 19:45:15 +0200 Message-ID: <878tx4p104.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: "STARK, BARBARA H" In-Reply-To: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E611426D0548@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> References: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E611426D0548@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Thu, 14 Jul 2016 19:45:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5787CFA9.005 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5787CFA9.005 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5787CFA9.005 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Cc: "babel@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [babel] help testing Babel X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:45:18 -0000 > this is the info she gave me There's a mismatch between the key the packages were signed with and the public key the router knows about. Is she trying to install prebuilt packages onto a self-built image? If so, she should be able to work around the issue by setting check_signature to 0 in /etc/opkg.conf and running "opkg update" again. (She might also need to remove /tmp/opkg-lists, I'm not sure.) With the obvious security implications. At Babel Towers, we prefer to use prebuilt images. We also prefer to use the latest snapshot rather than stable OpenWRT, since there have been quite a few recent fixes to hnetd. > I’m happy to take this off-line, if this isn’t a good topic for the babel list. Please ask her to join the babel-users list (she can use a throw-away email if she prefers, we don't insist on real names), there's a lot of OpenWRT expertise there. Other good places to ask are the OpenWRT forums, the OpenWRT user list (not the devel list), and the #openwrt channel on Freenode. -- Juliusz From nobody Fri Jul 15 13:33:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E395F12DDDF for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:33:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1zOVVqLf4Inx for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7819C12DDCA for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id u6FKXLMW029457; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:33:21 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3BA61FA2; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:33:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id dP93_QTdB5yU; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:33:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trurl.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (col75-1-78-194-40-74.fbxo.proxad.net [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0779D61FA1; Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:33:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:33:23 +0200 Message-ID: <87inw61w18.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: "STARK, BARBARA H" In-Reply-To: <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E611426C1993@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> References: <20160707211703.18785.88746.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <2D09D61DDFA73D4C884805CC7865E611426C1993@GAALPA1MSGUSRBF.ITServices.sbc.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:33:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 57894891.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 57894891.001 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 57894891.001 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Cc: "babel@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [babel] FW: New Version Notification for draft-stark-babel-information-model-00.txt X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:33:38 -0000 Dear Barbara, dear list, I am in favour of adoption of this document. Detailed comments: > int babel-version; This should be a string. Possible values might be "babeld-1.7.1-64-g75de8a4" and "bird-1.6.1". This should be renamed to "babel-implementation-version". > int babel-self-router-id; This is an opaque 64-bit identifier. Should it be an int? > babel-interfaces-obj babel-interfaces<1..*>; > babel-sources-obj babel-sources<1..*>; > babel-routes-obj babel-routes<1..*>; Why are these optional, rather than non-optional <0..*>? (It's equivalent, but it seems more natural that way.) > }babel-constants-obj; I suggest removing all of these values except the UDP port, and having per-interface values. These are just default values in the reference implementation, I'm not sure they should be standardised. Multicast group should be added. > }babel-interfaces-obj; This needs further discussion, I fear some of these are implementation details. > [int babel-neighbor-router-id;] > [...] > }babel-neighbors-obj; The router ID of a neighbour cannot be reliably determined in general: if a router doesn't announce any routes, it never announces its router-id. Suggest removing. Thanks again lot for your work, Barbara. -- Juliusz From nobody Mon Jul 18 07:42:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CA412DCA1 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 07:42:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CwrBQeNOiX97 for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 07:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E196212DC9C for ; Mon, 18 Jul 2016 07:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049462.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049462.ppops.net-00191d01. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:33:37 -0000 We'll be doing this at 1700 instead of 1600.=20 > On Jul 18, 2016, at 4:43 PM, STARK, BARBARA H wrote: >=20 > Hi Babelers, > Juliusz has kindly offered up his interns to help with test environment q= uestions and issues. We'll be meeting in the IETF lounge on Tuesday during = the 1620-1820 time slot. All are welcome.=20 > Barbara > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel From nobody Tue Jul 19 15:25:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E96512D1A5 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 15:25:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19oy6QV_LZPw for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 15:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7AAB12D504 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 15:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id u6JMPWT7003075; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:25:32 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0AB61FAA; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:25:32 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id JeKtFbMmYNty; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:25:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ijon.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (unknown [80.156.72.98]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C23BD61FA1; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:25:30 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:25:29 +0200 Message-ID: <87h9ble04m.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: "STARK, BARBARA H" In-Reply-To: References: <6B41745D-F3E2-4513-B132-EF9C03A0E42C@att.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:25:32 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 578EA8DC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 578EA8DC.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 578EA8DC.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Cc: "babel@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [babel] Code loading and testing support X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 22:25:37 -0000 > Juliusz has kindly offered up his interns To my discharge, they were glad to give a hand. > to help with test environment questions and issues. In case people want to know how it went: - for some reason, we were unable to upload an image over tftp, so we had to use ssh and sysupgrade; - for some reason, neither OpenWRT nor LEDE offer recent snapshots for the WNDR4300, so we had to downgrade to CC (the version from June 2015); - installation of babeld and hnetd went without a hitch, we were unable to reproduce the issues that Barbara's intern had encountered; - I was tempted to disable ULA generation, just to annoy Ted, but didn't ;-) Now that Barbara is in possession of two Homenet routers, setting up a network is a simple matter of plugging the routers in. -- Juliusz (still frustrated at the failure to trigger the tftp server) From nobody Wed Jul 20 14:40:45 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7787912D780 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:40:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dcGM5fBpssKL for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sender163-mail.zoho.com (sender163-mail.zoho.com [74.201.84.163]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EEC2D12D866 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.zoho.com by mx.zohomail.com with SMTP id 1469050824316609.0190599630273; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:40:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:40:24 +0100 From: Denis Ovsienko To: "Babel at IETF" Message-ID: <1560a40a612.e20e944c102647.4149940877768257282@ovsienko.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: Normal User-Agent: Zoho Mail X-Mailer: Zoho Mail Archived-At: Subject: [babel] IETF-95 follow-up: security slides transcript X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 21:40:43 -0000 Hello list. Below you can find a transcript for the slides [1] on Babel security that I presented at IETF-95. Much of the originally intended text had not fitted into the 15 minutes slot, so if anybody is interested in the full version, here it is. Everything in this text still stands. 1: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/slides/slides-95-babel-2.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------- # slide 1 (the title page) # slide 2 To explain better what I consider important input to this meeting let me remind that there are four point of view on a network protocol. They are closely related but don't substitute each other. In this list the user is not the end user but the network administrator and the researcher may be an academic researcher or a security concerned engineer, whether trying to break the protocol or trying to make it stronger. With those roles in mind let's make a look at protocol complexity. # slide 3 Protocol complexity consists of several aspects. This table for a set of well-known protocols expresses one such aspect, namely, complexity of wire encoding, through the amount of lines of C code required to decode it. On this scale RIP may be used as a landmark, in that you would want to know where it is even if you are going to a somewhat different place. Babel is comparable with OLSR, which may miss recent additions to the protocol though. The metric isn't quite accurate for a number of reasons. **First**, only Babel and RIP decoders here incorporate all published extensions. **Second**, decoders consist of the actual code and copies of protocol parameters registries in varying proportions. And **third**, a protocol's encoding may be compact but the control logic may be complicated (and the other way around). The interesting thing is, this complexity estimation, as approximate as it is (similar to the number of pages in an RFC), is useful not only for packet analyzer development. It also estimates the difficulty of keeping the protocol secure and the next slide briefly explains a practical case of this. # slide 4 My own experience with fuzzing stands for a few Open Source projects, for that other people were finding and sending vulnerabilities. In the course of making or proofreading the fixes for some of those vulnerabilities I have learned that fuzzing may be very effective. It seems to me, protocol designers and implementers have to account for fuzzing anyway. The only difference is if they don't do it early they do it later with a great discomfort. In my experience the work required to protect a protocol from fuzzing seemed to be mostly the same as the work required to support the protocol in a network analyzer. Respectively, if you run into difficulties implementing the dissector, you are likely to run into difficulties implementing fuzzing protection. # slide 5 This flowchart diagram looks simple. In fact, to work with a network protocol that allows to apply this process as shown is indeed much simpler. In particular, this diagram applies to Babel. The first step tests whether the structure is valid as far as protocol encoding goes. If this simple test fails, the packet is not a valid packet, period. The next step tests whether the packet is authentic, as far as the protocol authentication mechanism is concerned. It cannot be the first step because authentication uses protocol encoding, which you need tested first. In addition, authentication is more expensive on CPU and should not be done too early. The next step tests semantics of the data contained in such structurally valid packet. This is the most interesting part as you would be looking for multicast addresses, IPv4 prefixes in IPv6 messages, multiple data items in messages that specifically allow only one data item and so on. Such checks are often a part of the specified protocol instance but this needs to be double-checked. The main point of this diagram is, if you cannot implement this process for any single packet, expect complications. # slide 6 With this network protocol fuzzing in mind it should be easier to see how this work started. The amount of time spent on each step in this slide varies greatly but overall story was going as it is shown and eventually resulted in the first revision of the Internet Draft in 2012. The next slide takes us fast-forward to 2015. # slide 7 RFC 6709 discusses cryptographic agility but in a way that requires a notable interpretation as cryptography isn't the main focus of it. At the I-D time I made those interpretations as much as I could. Eventually RFC 7696 was published, and it covers exactly the area that RFC 6709 discussed only briefly. The good news is, RFC 7298 is compliant with that as well, so this aspect doesn't add to the working group list of things to fix. # slide 8 For example, parameter size in this case is the output digest size, and RFC 7298 requires it to be at least 16 octets as it needs to make enough space for padding to fit an IPv6 address. Then, it should be clear how to switch -- and yes, it is reasonably clear as the algorithm ID is a part of the security association. RFC 7298 even requires to support at least two digests per packet, which makes rollovers of algorithm and/or key simple. # slide 9 So we come to a simple question with a simple and correct answer. Let me explain it. # slide 10 On this slide you can see four wireless routers, which have formed a small mesh network. In this diagram wireless links are dotted and wired links are solid. The mesh is not a __full__ mesh network because there is a big mountain in the centre of the picture. It is invisible, partly because I did not have a picture handy, and partly because the wireless routers don't see the mountain as well. However, they do see the effects of the natural obstacle and work around them as much as they can. This way the networks A and B eventually have a two-way path between them. # slide 11 Now some resourceful guy puts a repeater on the summit of the mountain. The repeater is configured to relay packets transparently between the routers (a) and (b), but only in a selective way. As a result, those two speakers will discover each other and prefer the direct link for routing between the networks A and B. The problem is, the Babel neighbourship is OK but the payload gets dropped. This is link spoofing in action and Babel is just a particular case of it. # slide 12 On this slide you can see the same attack performed against two BGP speakers on an Ethernet switch (or something that pretends to be a switch or even just a length of wire). Many other scenarios of link spoofing are possible. So long as the attacker can tell what is being transmitted and can drop packets selectively, this attack remains in scope. That's why for a strictly point-to-point link it often makes the most sense to encrypt and authenticate every packet. How much it is feasible and useful in mesh networks, should be considered separately. # slide 13 With that in mind let's try once again to understand what sense it makes for the working group. If you read this longer version of the answer carefully, you may see it does not imply a better class of solution already exists elsewhere or even may exist in theory. What needs to be done here is to ask real cryptographers. Depending on what they say the working group should either produce an applicability statement like it is done for MANET, or, if there __is__ a better way, the working group should just take it. In this case RFC 7298 should serve as a useful baseline for comparison. # slide 14 Having said all that, the conclusions boil down to the general "before you do, stop and think" rule. In addition to what is stated on the slide, let me stress that for security considerations this rule applies even much more. Also let me remind that very valuable experience comes from working in those 4 roles, that is, an operator, an implementer, a researcher and a designer. It is valuable enough such that if you have a use case for a new angle of exposure to a network protocol, don't lose it. # slide 15 Thank you! -- Denis Ovsienko From nobody Thu Jul 21 04:39:09 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B9812DDFD for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:39:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uy8RpiKAWxfj for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DCB712DEB2 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id u6LBZCZ1019301; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:35:12 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BE661F9D; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:35:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id OueWjtb7ettr; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:35:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ijon.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (dhcp-a244.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.162.68]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D734361FA1; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:35:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:35:13 +0200 Message-ID: <878twvns0e.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: Battle of the Mesh Mailing List In-Reply-To: <010201560ca54060-35517c5a-da36-4377-bdfc-947c2aa88881-000000@eu-west-1.amazonses.com> References: <8760rzqu2d.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <8737n3qt3s.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <010201560ca54060-35517c5a-da36-4377-bdfc-947c2aa88881-000000@eu-west-1.amazonses.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:35:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5790B370.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 5790B370.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 5790B370.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Cc: babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org, babel@ietf.org Subject: Re: [babel] [Battlemesh] Reminder: Babel IETF WG meets today X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:39:08 -0000 >>>> What time zone is that? >>> 16:20 CEST (Berlin, Paris, Warsaw) >>> 14:20 UTC >>> 15:20 BST (London) >>> 10:20 EDT (New York, NY) >>> 7:20 PDT (Vacaville, CA) >>> 11:20 ART (Buenos Aires) > Will it be recorded? The slides and the minutes will be made available. I'm not sure about the video streams. Adding the babel@ietf list: does anyone know if the video recordings will be available after the session? -- Juliusz From nobody Thu Jul 21 04:52:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1AFC12D563 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:52:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ms_0QnCd9_p7 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x236.google.com (mail-oi0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 277A612D0BA for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x236.google.com with SMTP id w18so113615807oiw.3 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:52:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Vag///T41o0uxvGpgEx+zTbzGW+eKnlVcSkurft2jbY=; b=lbmHEzxMDpIyfWpqlsC71ejXVdJ5NS0omuZvkYplrXH8++i8E5wl/k6xbXSjBBiBUK JmHMnjS0ctMlUzu2fIVD1MC6u0EWJ/B9dIZBsQVWZUxOZkAuG10KMN+li4WLfyriYcag iCtO1nF81cr3r/LLU8LsVke/ZW4XUl4gq9mQikidFD6jsqSpczS7v9UWBOdo+jWyMZcb CC/qmsQ7qvFoYDFnww6SDWn0FaWnWVs/Md7+Ab4I6+E8N+SvMOQo6iYZilHwJVgFlikr nxpx+ObOSf7PqCG8c4KC14UrWy71BioieE/KbhHlMYNL1yFQQbhBV89c7sNYDUuGmtO2 SOlA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Vag///T41o0uxvGpgEx+zTbzGW+eKnlVcSkurft2jbY=; b=hyHDTeUqTt5F6MCJ6ksf3dhQ7S3NYbwoTpKMiFO41SAVnsW8dicvGODOF7koq+tkKN aG6sBaJVtkMeFvY43lB54Vzjqyt8JK4LefpcRqUJEvJ4kgFON69CuMAiV3LEagvuF6fN nRXnTEAEZZw8JlBODILT/uLXyT8sElQeqmj5bMmh+W7bySUU3laiYAQHAaqEYC2FWkRk tzPWyOUah8+AfRoI2GRSW+LFnz3F9HDSC2FvrWybpXbve6P5MW+GpezQjavKjLu955XW n8ONaGq+5DuypLu0uGyW11labouuUEqpQXdMq2MT6Hljl1+8HkxDOEeckM5WRR7Od8Pk tRsQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKIAHKWdvAgvwdR7XEsiI9/gTG6F+nSlue5+AYELDiszfSRtJAoJVAWR92lrXotLEHk/aQuUBfEyIpldw== X-Received: by 10.202.50.68 with SMTP id y65mr21137723oiy.126.1469101944553; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:52:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.40.40 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 04:52:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <878twvns0e.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> References: <8760rzqu2d.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <8737n3qt3s.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <010201560ca54060-35517c5a-da36-4377-bdfc-947c2aa88881-000000@eu-west-1.amazonses.com> <878twvns0e.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:52:10 -0400 Message-ID: To: Juliusz Chroboczek , Battle of the Mesh Mailing List , babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: Babel at IETF Subject: Re: [babel] [Babel-users] [Battlemesh] Reminder: Babel IETF WG meets today X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 11:52:28 -0000 Hi, The audio is always recorded for IETF WG meetings and is available pretty promptly after the meeting. See www.ietf.org/audio I believe that the meetecho video with synched audio is also recorded and will also be available afterwards but I'm not as sure about that. Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >>>>> What time zone is that? > >>>> 16:20 CEST (Berlin, Paris, Warsaw) >>>> 14:20 UTC >>>> 15:20 BST (London) >>>> 10:20 EDT (New York, NY) >>>> 7:20 PDT (Vacaville, CA) >>>> 11:20 ART (Buenos Aires) > >> Will it be recorded? > > The slides and the minutes will be made available. I'm not sure about the > video streams. > > Adding the babel@ietf list: does anyone know if the video recordings will be > available after the session? > > -- Juliusz > > _______________________________________________ > Babel-users mailing list > Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/babel-users From nobody Thu Jul 21 05:07:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5859712D0CB for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:07:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id waJJtA408u7p for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:07:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1560E12B05F for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049458.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049458.ppops.net-00191d01. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:07:54 -0000 Links to the meetecho recordings are at https://ietf96.conf.meetecho.com Barbara > On Jul 21, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > The audio is always recorded for IETF WG meetings and is available > pretty promptly after the meeting. See www.ietf.org/audio >=20 > I believe that the meetecho video with synched audio is also recorded > and will also be available afterwards but I'm not as sure about that. >=20 > Thanks, > Donald > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) > 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA > d3e3e3@gmail.com >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek > wrote: >>>>>> What time zone is that? >>=20 >>>>> 16:20 CEST (Berlin, Paris, Warsaw) >>>>> 14:20 UTC >>>>> 15:20 BST (London) >>>>> 10:20 EDT (New York, NY) >>>>> 7:20 PDT (Vacaville, CA) >>>>> 11:20 ART (Buenos Aires) >>=20 >>> Will it be recorded? >>=20 >> The slides and the minutes will be made available. I'm not sure about t= he >> video streams. >>=20 >> Adding the babel@ietf list: does anyone know if the video recordings wil= l be >> available after the session? >>=20 >> -- Juliusz >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Babel-users mailing list >> Babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org >> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/babel-users >=20 > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel From nobody Thu Jul 21 05:42:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B42112D17E for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:42:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yG8iGGnwUPdf for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x22b.google.com (mail-oi0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0409812DAC8 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id l72so115555817oig.2 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:42:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ma1dlzrwwDv60pKZol6oo0/3TcNKnQ8R00/lmT5rKms=; b=QHgREelkkknKibEvW1t3ypb+cR0/KTrfMJo9wKEGy5W1R4ivfXkh2MP6zi7BnoUufN mxwpuQxiCgt12/lUBzsX2JoAfJuWi5gHeOC/SipCxjOp+X8rG9PkvqfCnapXabRtx5p4 04EPoT2LP2/o6vEgVYd5UQ9nERe5J6hMd66NbM8IuxLnQ+jU2XBG+9iwwybCKr7U9AK1 EZh2WJVLPlpxYHeqx8+/Qur9sxgrXX0eKTr/l39L3Xpp7huopsMWR9e7awhFpUtLws7X ZPHR5Ubm4VxqqHwXh37NxuoZu6vzpdW0TxnuECjSYZqJLNzTDzAr29LvPcOb4d9HIiWP 0SXw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ma1dlzrwwDv60pKZol6oo0/3TcNKnQ8R00/lmT5rKms=; b=k/RHusZnDGs3G/EQS5jTyAYYR5HJCn26VADxy5K60xInbIubQfM/kvtNrY69k3cKZB qVlMtzSnl6bopRh5BhlZ17YkmH1sbjKco5xKX5/uSCdU4Ew3L+uLD1+cM/njm0tjC497 xKBaa+9uaKZYDmCvaC5pXx5FcOEkhicJuv6UAis+u0uX/L4ccYe3dUxbepTzrgLX95Aw 0+z4VspeDe0YeqNC0AUCEISdqLWKngO5DNAPrU2Ld+NgoMwZ5ydc1xM9IgWyQwhRGTLk N2WyRa6t8Sy3efgmG31m+SIwdKpuaT5aIdmaEvHvfxEcMfcURlY5ryIw/afisI4SnRC0 zR0w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJp9B3IoLyc905Nw2+55vTfYL4oC6TZHxkAedAhbgf5mxBg1Uq6t/yBEl0xKLrO+fZKstAyVD/3qgUJmw== X-Received: by 10.202.66.214 with SMTP id p205mr26492933oia.43.1469104943358; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:42:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.40.40 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:42:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8760rzqu2d.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <8737n3qt3s.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <010201560ca54060-35517c5a-da36-4377-bdfc-947c2aa88881-000000@eu-west-1.amazonses.com> <878twvns0e.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Donald Eastlake Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 08:42:08 -0400 Message-ID: To: zoobab@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: Battle of the Mesh Mailing List , Babel at IETF , Babel-users Subject: Re: [babel] [Babel-users] [Battlemesh] Reminder: Babel IETF WG meets today X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:42:26 -0000 Yes, it is streamed in real time. It has been a while since I used that. Go to https://tools.ietf.org/agenda/96/ There are icons by the WG meeting for audio streaming, meetecho streaming, jabber, ... Thanks, Donald =============================== Donald E. Eastlake 3rd +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 155 Beaver Street, Milford, MA 01757 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Benjamin Henrion wrote: > On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Donald Eastlake wrote: >> Hi, >> >> The audio is always recorded for IETF WG meetings and is available >> pretty promptly after the meeting. See www.ietf.org/audio > > After the meeting means it is not streamed in real time? > > Best, > > -- > Benjamin Henrion > FFII Brussels - +32-484-566109 - +32-2-3500762 > "In July 2005, after several failed attempts to legalise software > patents in Europe, the patent establishment changed its strategy. > Instead of explicitly seeking to sanction the patentability of > software, they are now seeking to create a central European patent > court, which would establish and enforce patentability rules in their > favor, without any possibility of correction by competing courts or > democratically elected legislators." From nobody Sat Jul 23 14:47:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC49612D1D2 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 14:47:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LjqXRHcL4MOy for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 14:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FA8912B01F for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 14:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:1]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/56228) with ESMTP id u6NLl8O9007891 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:47:08 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by potemkin.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay2/56228) with ESMTP id u6NLl8CT011649; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:47:08 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F6B61FA2; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:47:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id i5ZId0PAaSpW; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:47:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ijon.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (unknown [80.156.72.98]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2F83D61FA1; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:47:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:47:11 +0200 Message-ID: <87d1m4xc0w.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]); Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:47:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (potemkin.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.141]); Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:47:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 5793E5DC.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 21:47:13 -0000 Dear all, IETF is over, we've had the first meeting of the Babel WG. It went pleasantly smoothly. You'll find the full recording of the meeting[1], the minutes, as well as all the meeting materials, including slides[2]. [1] http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=IETF96_BABEL&chapter=chapter_1 [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/materials.html#babel In short: - the chairs said some things; - I gave a talk about my plans for evolving the protocol, the audience seemed to agree; - Barbara Stark gave a talk about her proposed management information model, in which she notably recommended to debloat the model; there was a short misunderstanding between her and Margaret Cullen, which was quickly cleared up; - Dave gave a talk about routing with hackerboards, a talk that was not specific to Babel but was well-received and appeared to me to be eye-opening to at least some audience members. My feeling right now -- unless we f*ck up really badly, this is going to be a productive and fun working group. -- Juliusz From nobody Sat Jul 23 19:33:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8367D12D16C for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:33:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jS_w-mE5WnpF for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x231.google.com (mail-qk0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E79012D0A3 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:33:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x231.google.com with SMTP id x1so131348548qkb.3 for ; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=03eArfIFQTZh6PD2YGIsKJH3U3531artOwT+IoxBk9c=; b=A8AGUFXjWrOJx+U1CYb8hZ9tbrkDQNNel/BBTRoWPLdTDnoGcEPGSBAgFBhrzbKdQK Pj1RxDWMAMG7vB2wvPSFbv/nuD0RsRRDVZeQUyTdnIi4mqItKxNIF06HEGUb51PutDXE P5VoxX/pHGXrDHopcnREG8nu7bCejjrh1XOmWJVivwZhgjkJiYMAP36wsdXacQSIpkVQ RbEPJqvXniToyrfoVMRG4e0Z8UNu5ECAXSEo59ggAK/Mi1VlB1pwi8oziAsyU2sEallA CAv4n/dmCZXUzX441M31MSIM+XJ7gQUsbeSQMj/s354pUOmtFgi/YC/3J3D88fkA+Yrm 6s1w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=03eArfIFQTZh6PD2YGIsKJH3U3531artOwT+IoxBk9c=; b=ZAmBvu4MRrHKqsR2zo+ANZPlSI5rVKd5WV2ZkYS/h4I3APNRyLBPyi61UxTMU0rO24 UyGMYZYIHvGnl1YeRrutgWFXsx3Ynr9Y8pfIdPbbFM1yxz+Tp0+ll7QSAd/dDflQeIde TE+WJugC/pn8Ty6UqblA8b7x/Ix1cmdg7uAVpmv4McvnP+nrU2scNH0AmGl7qpGirn5y Ge9PyjmYaTeDK6XMCPX0jZ9+oo5REuDU67Us3zvtvxBOsjzvfej8N25hDdCJ6XR5WGJR P1h+IG7J8fPRyIR2inFiH0cPEfrf+IpxdsOzeURFO56CcLNM0CWFBjUh00h6eukHfxJ0 S2+A== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkooutTNufQ7lecKzAs92BHwjusyxujz7/WXEpxsS5GQJLOMZIdU9ae7NuipDMMLo5k6GvPiNgGgSjhWye19A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.55.27.98 with SMTP id b95mr14551981qkb.146.1469327579093; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.237.52.193 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.237.52.193 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87d1m4xc0w.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> References: <87d1m4xc0w.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 22:32:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: Juliusz Chroboczek Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1147ec8e6923840538587ce2 Archived-At: Cc: babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org, Babel at IETF Subject: Re: [babel] A quick summary of babel@ietf X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 02:33:01 -0000 --001a1147ec8e6923840538587ce2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The meeting went very well. There was energy, good discussion, and engagement from those wanting to use it & implement. It was an excellent start. Regards, Alia On Jul 23, 2016 5:47 PM, "Juliusz Chroboczek" wrote: > Dear all, > > IETF is over, we've had the first meeting of the Babel WG. It went > pleasantly smoothly. You'll find the full recording of the meeting[1], > the minutes, as well as all the meeting materials, including slides[2]. > > [1] > http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=IETF96_BABEL&chapter=chapter_1 > [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/materials.html#babel > > In short: > > - the chairs said some things; > - I gave a talk about my plans for evolving the protocol, the audience > seemed to agree; > - Barbara Stark gave a talk about her proposed management information > model, in which she notably recommended to debloat the model; there > was a short misunderstanding between her and Margaret Cullen, which > was quickly cleared up; > - Dave gave a talk about routing with hackerboards, a talk that was not > specific to Babel but was well-received and appeared to me to be > eye-opening to at least some audience members. > > My feeling right now -- unless we f*ck up really badly, this is going to > be a productive and fun working group. > > -- Juliusz > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel > --001a1147ec8e6923840538587ce2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The meeting went very well.=C2=A0=C2=A0 There was energy,=C2= =A0 good discussion,=C2=A0 and engagement from those wanting to use it &= ; implement.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It was an excellent start.

Regards,
Alia


On Jul 23, 2016 5= :47 PM, "Juliusz Chroboczek" <jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> wrote:
Dear all,

IETF is over, we've had the first meeting of the Babel WG.=C2=A0 It wen= t
pleasantly smoothly.=C2=A0 You'll find the full recording of the meetin= g[1],
the minutes, as well as all the meeting materials, including slides[2].

[1] = http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIETF96_BABEL&am= p;chapter=3Dchapter_1
[2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting= /96/materials.html#babel

In short:

=C2=A0 - the chairs said some things;
=C2=A0 - I gave a talk about my plans for evolving the protocol, the audien= ce
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 seemed to agree;
=C2=A0 - Barbara Stark gave a talk about her proposed management informatio= n
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 model, in which she notably recommended to debloat the model;= there
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 was a short misunderstanding between her and Margaret Cullen,= which
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 was quickly cleared up;
=C2=A0 - Dave gave a talk about routing with hackerboards, a talk that was = not
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 specific to Babel but was well-received and appeared to me to= be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 eye-opening to at least some audience members.

My feeling right now -- unless we f*ck up really badly, this is going to be a productive and fun working group.

-- Juliusz

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 21:21:52 -0000 --001a1144405a6c276905386841a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 to both mails ... Enjoyed being there, one of the better groups this IETF of the ones I saw ... On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 9:00 PM, wrote: > Send babel mailing list submissions to > babel@ietf.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > babel-request@ietf.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > babel-owner@ietf.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of babel digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. A quick summary of babel@ietf (Juliusz Chroboczek) > 2. Re: A quick summary of babel@ietf (Alia Atlas) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Juliusz Chroboczek > To: babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org > Cc: babel@ietf.org > Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:47:11 +0200 > Subject: [babel] A quick summary of babel@ietf > Dear all, > > IETF is over, we've had the first meeting of the Babel WG. It went > pleasantly smoothly. You'll find the full recording of the meeting[1], > the minutes, as well as all the meeting materials, including slides[2]. > > [1] > http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIETF96_BABEL&= chapter=3Dchapter_1 > [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/materials.html#babel > > In short: > > - the chairs said some things; > - I gave a talk about my plans for evolving the protocol, the audience > seemed to agree; > - Barbara Stark gave a talk about her proposed management information > model, in which she notably recommended to debloat the model; there > was a short misunderstanding between her and Margaret Cullen, which > was quickly cleared up; > - Dave gave a talk about routing with hackerboards, a talk that was not > specific to Babel but was well-received and appeared to me to be > eye-opening to at least some audience members. > > My feeling right now -- unless we f*ck up really badly, this is going to > be a productive and fun working group. > > -- Juliusz > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Alia Atlas > To: Juliusz Chroboczek > Cc: babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org, Babel at IETF > Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 22:32:58 -0400 > Subject: Re: [babel] A quick summary of babel@ietf > > The meeting went very well. There was energy, good discussion, and > engagement from those wanting to use it & implement. It was an excellen= t > start. > > Regards, > Alia > > On Jul 23, 2016 5:47 PM, "Juliusz Chroboczek" < > jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> IETF is over, we've had the first meeting of the Babel WG. It went >> pleasantly smoothly. You'll find the full recording of the meeting[1], >> the minutes, as well as all the meeting materials, including slides[2]. >> >> [1] >> http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIETF96_BABEL= &chapter=3Dchapter_1 >> [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/96/materials.html#babel >> >> In short: >> >> - the chairs said some things; >> - I gave a talk about my plans for evolving the protocol, the audience >> seemed to agree; >> - Barbara Stark gave a talk about her proposed management information >> model, in which she notably recommended to debloat the model; there >> was a short misunderstanding between her and Margaret Cullen, which >> was quickly cleared up; >> - Dave gave a talk about routing with hackerboards, a talk that was no= t >> specific to Babel but was well-received and appeared to me to be >> eye-opening to at least some audience members. >> >> My feeling right now -- unless we f*ck up really badly, this is going to >> be a productive and fun working group. >> >> -- Juliusz >> >> _______________________________________________ >> babel mailing list >> babel@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel >> > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel > > --=20 *We=E2=80=99ve heard that a million monkeys at a million keyboards could pr= oduce the complete works of Shakespeare; now, thanks to the Internet, we know that is not true.* =E2=80=94Robert Wilensky --001a1144405a6c276905386841a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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=C2=A0 =C2=A01. A quick summary of babel@ietf (Juliusz Chroboczek)
=C2=A0 =C2=A02. Re: A quick summary of babel@ietf (Alia Atlas)


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From:=C2=A0Juliusz Chrob= oczek <jch@pps.univ-par= is-diderot.fr>
To:=C2=A0babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org
Cc:=C2=A0babel@ietf.org
Date:=C2=A0Sat, 23 Jul 201= 6 23:47:11 +0200
Subject:=C2=A0[babel] A quick summary of babel@ietf
= Dear all,

IETF is over, we've had the first meeting of the Babel WG.=C2=A0 It wen= t
pleasantly smoothly.=C2=A0 You'll find the full recording of the meetin= g[1],
the minutes, as well as all the meeting materials, including slides[2].

[1] = http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIETF96_BABEL&am= p;chapter=3Dchapter_1
[2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting= /96/materials.html#babel

In short:

=C2=A0 - the chairs said some things;
=C2=A0 - I gave a talk about my plans for evolving the protocol, the audien= ce
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 seemed to agree;
=C2=A0 - Barbara Stark gave a talk about her proposed management informatio= n
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 model, in which she notably recommended to debloat the model;= there
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 was a short misunderstanding between her and Margaret Cullen,= which
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 was quickly cleared up;
=C2=A0 - Dave gave a talk about routing with hackerboards, a talk that was = not
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 specific to Babel but was well-received and appeared to me to= be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 eye-opening to at least some audience members.

My feeling right now -- unless we f*ck up really badly, this is going to be a productive and fun working group.

-- Juliusz




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:=C2=A0Alia Atlas &l= t;akatlas@gmail.com>
To:=C2= =A0Juliusz Chroboczek <= jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr>
Cc:=C2=A0babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org, Babe= l at IETF <babel@ietf.org>
D= ate:=C2=A0Sat, 23 Jul 2016 22:32:58 -0400
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [babel] A qu= ick summary of babel@ietf

The meeting went very well.=C2= =A0=C2=A0 There was energy,=C2=A0 good discussion,=C2=A0 and engagement fro= m those wanting to use it & implement.=C2=A0=C2=A0 It was an excellent = start.

Regards,
Alia


On Jul 23, 2016 5= :47 PM, "Juliusz Chroboczek" <jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> wr= ote:
Dear all,

IETF is over, we've had the first meeting of the Babel WG.=C2=A0 It wen= t
pleasantly smoothly.=C2=A0 You'll find the full recording of the meetin= g[1],
the minutes, as well as all the meeting materials, including slides[2].

[1] = http://recs.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/watch.jsp?recording=3DIETF96_BABEL&am= p;chapter=3Dchapter_1
[2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting= /96/materials.html#babel

In short:

=C2=A0 - the chairs said some things;
=C2=A0 - I gave a talk about my plans for evolving the protocol, the audien= ce
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 seemed to agree;
=C2=A0 - Barbara Stark gave a talk about her proposed management informatio= n
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 model, in which she notably recommended to debloat the model;= there
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 was a short misunderstanding between her and Margaret Cullen,= which
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 was quickly cleared up;
=C2=A0 - Dave gave a talk about routing with hackerboards, a talk that was = not
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 specific to Babel but was well-received and appeared to me to= be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 eye-opening to at least some audience members.

My feeling right now -- unless we f*ck up really badly, this is going to be a productive and fun working group.

-- Juliusz

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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel




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--001a1144405a6c276905386841a7-- From nobody Mon Jul 25 05:31:22 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9805412D747 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:31:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=toke.dk Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vIVucebKVx5q for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:31:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.tohojo.dk (mail2.tohojo.dk [77.235.48.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D59F312B00F for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:31:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail2.tohojo.dk DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 mail2.tohojo.dk 6C20F40472 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=toke.dk; s=201310; t=1469449875; bh=zoYcdjUD7vunVofFNKBoijfDZAgLA7Au6By58ithC98=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=kUrd4jpi8ShhvMDm1j6ZwqVctk2IDo2zBo6v5cLKDAlZRHa8+bq/h7AAu172BAlnz FZVEMYpvoo431FMa9Sgpt2iEjNtdx0OpXfNiZGFResTETFzGPEivZB2Bny4/C0CaVg TJT4byyPKR0XvFkwj7ZhE2SkEth/I19SvIYSUAA4= Sender: toke@toke.dk Received: by alrua-x1.borgediget.toke.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5F82E36C2; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:31:14 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Toke_H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen?= To: Juliusz Chroboczek References: <87d1m4xc0w.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:31:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87d1m4xc0w.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> (Juliusz Chroboczek's message of "Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:47:11 +0200") X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Message-ID: <874m7dnbl9.fsf@toke.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Cc: babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org, babel@ietf.org Subject: Re: [babel] A quick summary of babel@ietf X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:31:20 -0000 Juliusz Chroboczek writes: > My feeling right now -- unless we f*ck up really badly, this is going to > be a productive and fun working group. I agree. One thing that I would like to emphasise from the meeting was the direction Juliusz set out for the working group (the "traditions" part of his talk, for those looking it up in the slides/video). I believe this is especially important for bridging the existing Babel open source community to the IETF process and working group. The two most important points in this were "work happens on the mailing list" and "running code required". While it was later clarified that there is no formal IETF rules imposing any of these on the working group, I believe they are fundamental for the kind of work we want to do here. So I will heartily endorse these principles and hope that we can build a working group tradition that builds upon them. -Toke From nobody Mon Jul 25 06:49:04 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF4712D110 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:49:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lp17jwMGu4W6 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x233.google.com (mail-qk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E07012D129 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x233.google.com with SMTP id s63so160999062qkb.2 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:48:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=cBBLbm7tLnM+AnuGBU3SkPPipHmKE0nyHsQk4V2CieM=; b=dQa/WutMqRGD31c1G8sLPWP/REmQtCGsE6tWscv1AoMGSSZZEcDyABhhksri+bSaBM 46WOogNRLho3tAywPFhy9gxWrR51WwHtFRNXnjY00vEXJhm50xUpIJ0yElfkp4MKmLXy /GU/x0Iq1ebFJ1GDahazEUgTyyUCiMAPXa9OaTR0MTC/YzBLaGTr3MiLmE92rPHoRqeJ IxhR0g2tABxT0Ntp7ohxhCZUxP4gl2DLsHaTU8KAsxn88GR5x+aDAsMBAI42P3V5u1Sn ygmAg+afBpovIw7wy0ROfIK09K7JlkliuVQ+3oL1+d85gpB1k9RB39WDLhnnJceq6P7B /YkQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cBBLbm7tLnM+AnuGBU3SkPPipHmKE0nyHsQk4V2CieM=; b=l/9HdgDZ+MnsW1SMt/XHvwULGTkgMisrOC5eKSxkd0+G++zOmTcsAOqURFrkHFqB1L cXTK7HHrRTO7l2QrLURcBdhpbatXQ5f7OjlxDT0+Q/auSaZ669+slb/pHCahlW2szZGh NTtYb34HLE9v1Y4sdW/PMIuaoX4GjtFxNzLoxfXJ5VnrniwPnUtdTbt3+Tjnmbb2nB6k +ZPTH9zpt2yrKvsm3q5lMR7YSIz2EBnF/3DSrGk55cZVBTyMKq2ciL10akNZZw2y9pna IiUeznPhdLBDpj5BwU0pZKM1j+v2ZlaLvmrfrTqMBtZamiAiI41pWrc0QgOZN7dPIfnA rPjQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouuCCjeeKRBu2arnRkHlDgpmL0gqT8tcbghP8nQOqBi3MRiAcET8VUYWNOPLheWcReB3G9sOs8QnyDGztQ== X-Received: by 10.55.160.211 with SMTP id j202mr22005382qke.108.1469454536743; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:48:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.52.193 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 06:48:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <874m7dnbl9.fsf@toke.dk> References: <87d1m4xc0w.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> <874m7dnbl9.fsf@toke.dk> From: Alia Atlas Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 09:48:55 -0400 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?VG9rZSBIw7hpbGFuZC1Kw7hyZ2Vuc2Vu?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114fadecad22fc0538760bd3 Archived-At: Cc: babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org, Babel at IETF , Juliusz Chroboczek Subject: Re: [babel] A quick summary of babel@ietf X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:49:03 -0000 --001a114fadecad22fc0538760bd3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Toke, On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen wrote: > Juliusz Chroboczek writes: > > > My feeling right now -- unless we f*ck up really badly, this is going t= o > > be a productive and fun working group. > > I agree. One thing that I would like to emphasise from the meeting was > the direction Juliusz set out for the working group (the "traditions" > part of his talk, for those looking it up in the slides/video). I > believe this is especially important for bridging the existing Babel > open source community to the IETF process and working group. > > The two most important points in this were "work happens on the mailing > list" and "running code required". While it was later clarified that > there is no formal IETF rules imposing any of these on the working > group, I believe they are fundamental for the kind of work we want to do > here. So I will heartily endorse these principles and hope that we can > build a working group tradition that builds upon them. I agree that it was useful to have an open discussion about how we'd like the WG culture to be and have the WG run. I found it useful to have. I'd like to clarify a couple points here, however, since there are a few subtleties. First, in at least theory in the IETF, work always happens on the mailing list for working groups. This is part of the formal IETF process. Specifically, all consensus calls and decisions have to be done or at least re-done/confirmed on the mailing list. Juliusz did a fine job of emphasizing why that is the case - to encourage participation of those who aren't traveling, to allow those whose written English is more persuasive or clear than their spoken to more easily participate, to let technical points be seen clearly without regard to presentation skills, and so on. Second, running code is great - but its lack shouldn't stand as a barrier to writing a draft or suggesting an idea. A long time ago, the IETF Routing Area required that any standards-track draft have two independent implementations in order for work to proceed. Bill Fenner and Alex Zinin wrote an RFC that removed that requirement, but it is still up to the Working Group Chairs to set policy for their WGs as to when drafts can progress out of the WG. For instance, in IDR, it is still required that there are two implementations. BESS just recently added a requirement for at least one implementation. There can be a bit of a cycle where putting a feature in code makes it harder to be willing to change or update a draft based upon others' technical concerns. It can also be faster to write a draft, get improvements and agreement on the idea, and then go write code. How this works can vary. In the Babel WG, I think that there are enough motivated people that testing ideas out in code and discussing them will likely happen. This is where setting the culture of the WG comes in. Regards, Alia > -Toke > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel > --001a114fadecad22fc0538760bd3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Toke,

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Toke H=C3=B8iland-J=C3=B8rgensen <= span dir=3D"ltr"><toke= @toke.dk> wrote:
Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> writes:

> My feeling right now -- unless we f*ck up really badly, this is going = to
> be a productive and fun working group.

I agree. One thing that I would like to emphasise from the meeting w= as
the direction Juliusz set out for the working group (the "traditions&q= uot;
part of his talk, for those looking it up in the slides/video). I
believe this is especially important for bridging the existing Babel
open source community to the IETF process and working group.

The two most important points in this were "work happens on the mailin= g
list" and "running code required". While it was later clarif= ied that
there is no formal IETF rules imposing any of these on the working
group, I believe they are fundamental for the kind of work we want to do here. So I will heartily endorse these principles and hope that we can
build a working group tradition that builds upon them.
I agree that it was useful to have an open discussion about how= we'd like
the WG culture to be and =C2=A0have the WG run.=C2= =A0 I found it useful to have.

I'd like to cla= rify a couple points here, however, since there are a few subtleties.
=

First, in at least theory in the IETF, work always happ= ens on the mailing list for
working groups.=C2=A0 This is part of= the formal IETF process.=C2=A0 Specifically, all consensus
calls= and decisions have to be done or at least re-done/confirmed on the mailing= list.
Juliusz did a fine job of emphasizing why that is the case= - to encourage participation of those who aren't
traveling, = to allow those whose written English is more persuasive or clear than
=
their spoken to more easily participate, to let technical points be se= en clearly
without regard to presentation skills, and so on.

Second, running code is great - but its lack shouldn&#= 39;t stand as a barrier to writing
a draft or suggesting an idea.= =C2=A0 A long time ago, the IETF Routing Area required that
any s= tandards-track draft have two independent implementations in order for work= to
proceed. =C2=A0 Bill Fenner and Alex Zinin wrote an RFC that = removed that requirement,
but it is still up to the Working Group= Chairs to set policy for their WGs as to when
drafts can progres= s out of the WG.=C2=A0 For instance, in IDR, it is still required that ther= e
are two implementations.=C2=A0 BESS just recently added a requi= rement for at least one
implementation.

= There can be a bit of a cycle where putting a feature in code makes it hard= er to be
willing to change or update a draft based upon others= 9; technical concerns.=C2=A0 It can
also be faster to write a dra= ft, get improvements and agreement on the idea, and then
go write= code.=C2=A0 How this works can vary.

In the Babel= WG, I think that there are enough motivated people that testing ideas
out in code and discussing them will likely happen.=C2=A0 This is whe= re setting the culture
of the WG comes in.=C2=A0

Regards,
Alia
=C2=A0
-Toke

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 20:36:38 -0000 > Second, running code is great - but its lack shouldn't stand as > a barrier to writing a draft or suggesting an idea. Agreed, we should be serious about this requirement but not dogmatic. We should be very strict about mechanisms that are required: if you want to put a MUST or a SHOULD in the core specification, you should be able to either implement it yourself or convince me or Toke to get it implemented. On the other hand, we can be more liberal with optional mechanisms. (As a matter of fact, RFC 6126 contains one optional mechanism that has never been implemented -- third paragraph of Section 3.3 -- and I wish to keep it in, it may be handy in the future.) I think we should also be liberal about extensions, as long as we're convinced that they don't break interoperability with the core protocol. The TLV type space is large, it doesn't harm much if we burn a few TLVs on extensions that turn out to be too difficult to implement. -- Juliusz P.S. Mail server down until Thursday, please reply on list. From nobody Mon Jul 25 13:38:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B866612DA13 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:38:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V3Oc6xnUtoKw for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x229.google.com (mail-qk0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07BEF12D09A for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x229.google.com with SMTP id x1so175021261qkb.3 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:38:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=rIxCpKDEb8tbIpglqgjhdDhhsTV3zGHfOf4k80/JPRs=; b=RS2zzyNbIk75hblomixfDdMc1EDDYSsZX1t4FJfBSVvvQrqgkJZqhyIK28F59S0S40 MtdJ+h1PvzVMZhn9PgjbcEFnyXbTgzU/qJNiYUIibsKiL/MJT7h/Ahtt1SfyJpo0TS4A Cfx/dE/YBhexj9kqLye4oYaWZyVcYuERVyASRrUllA8iMOXPaD5hhd9gWfmD6JhFqK+H 2nacT3yIdwn+Mdc+lyWKZslXj7eeYG/xUD6CKd847sc5yx4CXLnryIwi/mXG55BMPWVo 2eUvx/+vgMS7FqGJFxfwvbP2WpyNZ1EZgvDT8AIXsNSUdVjpcwXRN6N9vciqr9Bo99Ks tOJg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rIxCpKDEb8tbIpglqgjhdDhhsTV3zGHfOf4k80/JPRs=; b=l0Lzf36IxyrBNqYro94UFooTyNu1gsCGPVC1wIovg8KlP8RkyY1nCU+8+ek58wxm6K vVoaW5hBoRXMPF4gjddWaKSXqybOcgWGdjZamxcAFFRZMWU9vgrfySiKQB+Nwg5J3B95 qmQ/Fi7MQunPG11sGOklxkmgVjHnpv3z9g8bDXc3twiTGE36wXq2Cgua/vB03uvixZOV ZvbdXhFUWpWlE45IqRJrFLYi856/5swdGvACrFAvfyM+R6jySbRcp6Gm97PAGP0lPCMH m+IdPrz08R+DH7qEHzDteCfHS4ztPdgqzibboH0jK/rzoNwAc9dzbO+3tISpzLQ7QeOh frGw== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouvkXIJ5jOXtMdtPJpTRgO6NhgpJacTEXFjlayz9ryaqQZxSpzuUclqUw80kOS5rAdK15jJBcszreqp55A== X-Received: by 10.55.203.74 with SMTP id d71mr24003707qkj.88.1469479089199; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:38:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.52.193 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:38:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87invtxxo0.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> References: <87invtxxo0.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Alia Atlas Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 16:38:08 -0400 Message-ID: To: Juliusz Chroboczek Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11370a2a1de1de05387bc308 Archived-At: Cc: Babel at IETF Subject: Re: [babel] A quick summary of babel@ietf X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 20:38:12 -0000 --001a11370a2a1de1de05387bc308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek < jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> wrote: > > Second, running code is great - but its lack shouldn't stand as > > a barrier to writing a draft or suggesting an idea. > > Agreed, we should be serious about this requirement but not dogmatic. We > should be very strict about mechanisms that are required: if you want to > put a MUST or a SHOULD in the core specification, you should be able to > either implement it yourself or convince me or Toke to get it implemented. > It looked like there were more people in the room interested in implementing too :) > On the other hand, we can be more liberal with optional mechanisms. (As > a matter of fact, RFC 6126 contains one optional mechanism that has never > been implemented -- third paragraph of Section 3.3 -- and I wish to keep > it in, it may be handy in the future.) > > I think we should also be liberal about extensions, as long as we're > convinced that they don't break interoperability with the core protocol. > The TLV type space is large, it doesn't harm much if we burn a few TLVs > on extensions that turn out to be too difficult to implement. > > -- Juliusz > > P.S. Mail server down until Thursday, please reply on list. > > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel > --001a11370a2a1de1de05387bc308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On M= on, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@pps.univ-= paris-diderot.fr> wrote:
> Second, running code is great - but its lack shouldn= 9;t stand as
> a barrier to writing a draft or suggesting an idea.

Agreed, we should be serious about this requirement but not dogmatic= .=C2=A0 We
should be very strict about mechanisms that are required: if you want to put a MUST or a SHOULD in the core specification, you should be able to
either implement it yourself or convince me or Toke to get it implemented.<= br>

It looked like there were more people i= n the room interested in implementing too :)
=C2=A0
On the other hand, we can be more liberal with optional mechanisms.=C2=A0 (= As
a matter of fact, RFC 6126 contains one optional mechanism that has never been implemented -- third paragraph of Section 3.3 -- and I wish to keep it in, it may be handy in the future.)

I think we should also be liberal about extensions, as long as we're convinced that they don't break interoperability with the core protocol= .
The TLV type space is large, it doesn't harm much if we burn a few TLVs=
on extensions that turn out to be too difficult to implement.

-- Juliusz

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--001a11370a2a1de1de05387bc308-- From nobody Mon Jul 25 14:14:30 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 063D512D5CD for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:14:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.62 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.62 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ToY8k4BhTEaf for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:14:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (smtp6-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB34312D1E7 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 14:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trurl.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e34:ec22:84a1:4149:227c:fa5b:2b1c]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D5837801C3 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 19:35:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:14:24 +0200 Message-ID: <87h9bdxvwv.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: babel@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] A quick summary of babel@ietf X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 21:14:29 -0000 >> you should be able to either implement it yourself or convince me or >> Toke to get it implemented. > It looked like there were more people in the room interested in > implementing too :) Hopefully. That's what the "implement it yourself" bit was about. -- Juliusz