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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2017 19:12:43 -0000 I confess curiosity, now that we have quagga, bird, and mainline babeld versions, and nifty new stuff like unicast hellos, as to how well they interoperate at this point, as well as perform, under a stress test like: https://github.com/dtaht/rtod --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619 From nobody Tue Sep 12 13:28:40 2017 Return-Path: <7riw77@gmail.com> X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0401330C9 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:28:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.75 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.75 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NgGhpY9r-OYc for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x242.google.com (mail-it0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F5A7132F34 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x242.google.com with SMTP id e134so3479011ite.3 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:28:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-language:thread-index; bh=Bu4vfFCm6I+dcxoH3F73XhosAi35AvxiGCNuq4XfyBY=; b=Hh8i95psuKXpj7Sl6DvXtRAg/btWgNW/efeSYMo17NCkhrN1e6XZp1Eyx+ShDXOGVR n0GHNWcw/V2ixjFmmCHiWAXHwL11UdHV/El2uY7Se9Mm1wDvy9j5uKa754F27uxyBkQ9 vA9eAHhX1CSNNVUzCOFK+Qz11z9+1inXA807CGRG+IbBvEeF5N8jfNHfNDSDOBS3wlTu 74XR2YIWcBYtstt8S0Cyxi59CFAIN2oTSBeg3TpsrKbp/L6dUX/GZFRwhfpPoQ3jBzNb HGsLUARniuZDStbn4haNp78X7uLifzQ5ARc3D7hC+V0EjmYTB3HuVQcYHKUNxTTH+ehr 8Q0w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-language :thread-index; bh=Bu4vfFCm6I+dcxoH3F73XhosAi35AvxiGCNuq4XfyBY=; b=oo/IhjijoS0Fjs5mqxQ/OI1r/qpH+Bv/HaRMZ8WA+FBLe42rKOXGlGfkb68gQop85g fwd/m9lfRQbHRitQPfgWAxap886Q3Jjvjml9NCaorv6SX+GbT2KlwE4lkl4noGXDv7EQ jC8XgIXtrEbJtt8jupnNxHN6rUvTmYJuFIzJlkcusuf4e8RGOycPuRxm5kZQ9T+Uhf6B 7Vek+X8E+kUmvyNCY21HkdurxFj2HyRb/il/lqtnXBPWuyVLPluxwpgfYGqvtsgZhIj6 LE46izEvFdkyfDZdquiikJ7JTTE/0p1iLIVoTQ2geh8bj7Wo3vEWh4bJ4kIAr5gC66cQ QZlA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUgwSsWgSLnXo8/qO82uhTdAAnzjEohPIFWSqGRDM7U4DK0Xn3A5 wW9cgoj6lvQ/a1PbeO3likzyQg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QATvz+7whRnR1TBmUS9/OrgzfRa7aFtt3/nlg37BOS7YZbYd/tOifjamgSkHjomvacd+TsRbg== X-Received: by 10.36.160.69 with SMTP id o66mr1438311ite.103.1505248117568; Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Russ ([2602:30a:2e5b:44d0:fc2f:844d:559a:2d7c]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z63sm6625170itf.23.2017.09.12.13.28.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Sep 2017 13:28:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Russ White" <7riw77@gmail.com> To: "'Dave Taht'" , "'Babel at IETF'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 16:28:34 -0400 Message-ID: <057f01d32c05$b57c7ed0$20757c70$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQJGFuP/SCPxura1XnpR1q38P2XKoqHL3Y/w Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] routing tables of death X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2017 20:28:39 -0000 > I confess curiosity, now that we have quagga, bird, and mainline = babeld > versions, and nifty new stuff like unicast hellos, as to how well they > interoperate at this point, as well as perform, under a stress test = like: And FRR... =F0=9F=98=8A Russ From nobody Wed Sep 13 02:15:36 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B2E13318C for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 02:15:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VOrw4LoC1WPE for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 02:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from korolev.univ-paris7.fr (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [IPv6:2001:660:3301:8000::1:2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82452132195 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 02:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [81.194.30.253]) by korolev.univ-paris7.fr (8.14.4/8.14.4/relay1/75695) with ESMTP id v8D9FUlS021880; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:15:30 +0200 Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01C04ED113; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:15:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at math.univ-paris-diderot.fr Received: from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10023) with ESMTP id oAuhjVe3iX_U; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:15:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from trurl.irif.fr (unknown [78.194.40.74]) (Authenticated sender: jch) by mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C8EC0ED0BD; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:15:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:15:28 +0200 Message-ID: <87zi9zvu1b.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Juliusz Chroboczek To: "Russ White" <7riw77@gmail.com> Cc: "'Dave Taht'" , "'Babel at IETF'" , In-Reply-To: <057f01d32c05$b57c7ed0$20757c70$@gmail.com> References: <057f01d32c05$b57c7ed0$20757c70$@gmail.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (korolev.univ-paris7.fr [194.254.61.138]); Wed, 13 Sep 2017 11:15:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Miltered: at korolev with ID 59B8F732.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http : // j-chkmail dot ensmp dot fr)! X-j-chkmail-Enveloppe: 59B8F732.000 from mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/null/mailhub.math.univ-paris-diderot.fr/ X-j-chkmail-Score: MSGID : 59B8F732.000 on korolev.univ-paris7.fr : j-chkmail score : . : R=. U=. O=. B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] routing tables of death X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 09:15:35 -0000 >> I confess curiosity, now that we have quagga, bird, and mainline babeld >> versions, and nifty new stuff like unicast hellos, as to how well they >> interoperate at this point, as well as perform, under a stress test like: > And FRR... Babeld and FRR are known to interoperate, but that's little surprise, since they're based on the same code. Quagga (the better-named ancestor of FRR) does not have a Babel implementation. Perhaps Toke and David can tell us more about the tests they've done with their respective implementations. (It would definitely be a cool thing to organise an interop event, perhaps here in Paris. Not before 2018, though, the way my schedule is going.) -- Juliusz From nobody Wed Sep 13 12:01:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2231330A1 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:01:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kFXBgqQiHvWL for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x229.google.com (mail-qt0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AD7B132EDC for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x229.google.com with SMTP id i50so2848057qtf.0 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:01:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ig0AOddOCQiAtHYiJRPx7a+CxsSkLnfJdrLyMhOrRa8=; b=rUM4DMKlBejlI8KJuCJGiqzUjnxhjrdh20iXhxGpfJ+fZdUObSP5ZXN5m3j2JSd4B+ 9O/fBD/JsjhoTxJiqW0GkOYLXLzG+ZieTa9gKiZ3yu/iHrEBSnFjdR7o+BbZGmcDFYnn Strm9oK+wUl0dvAPR6cq0UblS3ac+3dhD6+4bwXNMigB0hjuLKbqRia1x9CtR7ogEmB/ AYxOEMqx5Jbfkbj6iUCluVj3p9/0ql6DkjSxBCKGEH8IkR2iStSY2k3AlpNlavjOSQCA sDcx7CwYyqOUsbAXNzwVaCEsypLXee3IAkVZtdO0WuqKaIQ2lSZcrIhmfK+/tlC0zNJu fu8Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ig0AOddOCQiAtHYiJRPx7a+CxsSkLnfJdrLyMhOrRa8=; b=bH6kFzosVBclhzDZy14PPmnUx/hTk53AK/jNLPo47Sv4aZu2NCzhL3YTBzuu2pmUJl QW3XYDCsdbRE2Z3q4tquAXRlLPbF6wAgkYMnAqW/u9JnDqAcq8bKIjamyJDHs+T8C9q9 3XFBmDLOEsOEH5prBEjFSQQ6fUfR0mDqaBUoWWGWJYm2iTYHf/NUXFcom2iaa5QBjAon izuu1SBY5df93GUyXUpJ6E6iJyPT/FKkaXBKbDnhoJHtcLVzrNY8bxKXjXKYs+l6F8da fU2Yko75Yai9GLPMJ8d4A79Z6uVNU8l0MNZDb8sCut2zT+xzPPn+0YO10YfKJsZR+ep+ jRaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUhlWm0SbOSMVEjjrpz1Zus3N/9+yKDcaTJuVaoBWpaR/g5Yux0l fohA7e3t6RgB4TQpdyPSFE2/BjEpX1d6gW8M/maLfQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QD3moWcVLKH8fAjWenqicPPcJtOtUhxoFoeOsiJ9ehKkU0aqMJ0cEeEQVRcTnoX53qnF/AKX8waxHs7N6lJp58= X-Received: by 10.237.53.225 with SMTP id d30mr28814686qte.164.1505329300489; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:01:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.137.164 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:01:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87zi9zvu1b.wl-jch@irif.fr> References: <057f01d32c05$b57c7ed0$20757c70$@gmail.com> <87zi9zvu1b.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Dave Taht Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 12:01:39 -0700 Message-ID: To: Juliusz Chroboczek Cc: Russ White <7riw77@gmail.com>, Babel at IETF , "babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] routing tables of death X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 19:01:56 -0000 On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:15 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek wrote: >>> I confess curiosity, now that we have quagga, bird, and mainline babeld >>> versions, and nifty new stuff like unicast hellos, as to how well they >>> interoperate at this point, as well as perform, under a stress test lik= e: > >> And FRR... > > Babeld and FRR are known to interoperate, but that's little surprise, > since they're based on the same code. > > Quagga (the better-named ancestor of FRR) does not have a Babel > implementation. > > Perhaps Toke and David can tell us more about the tests they've done with > their respective implementations. David's implementation also does unicast route transfer? > (It would definitely be a cool thing to organise an interop event, perhap= s > here in Paris. Not before 2018, though, the way my schedule is going.) Regrettably I have no time either, before 2018, it seems. I do hope to have completed removing infinite buffering from a wifi mcast queue, replacing it with a drop head, fq'd version by then. fiddling with rtod sparked a great deal of (largely futile) thinking about deadline scheduling and sanely shedding (cpu or bandwidth) load, some of which I just wrote up here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/ER5Kcp5KGRj?cfem=3D= 1 > > -- Juliusz --=20 Dave T=C3=A4ht CEO, TekLibre, LLC http://www.teklibre.com Tel: 1-669-226-2619 From nobody Thu Sep 14 10:11:03 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07954126BF0 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2017 10:11:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Received: from relay4.apple.com (relay4.apple.com [17.128.113.87]) (using TLS with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mail-in5.apple.com (Apple Secure Mail Relay) with SMTP id 31.13.30368.428BAB95; Thu, 14 Sep 2017 10:11:00 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11973e13-821a09c0000076a0-65-59bab82494ea Received: from kencur.apple.com (kencur.apple.com [17.151.62.38]) by relay4.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id D0.36.06992.428BAB95; Thu, 14 Sep 2017 10:11:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Received: from [17.234.54.158] (unknown [17.234.54.158]) by kencur.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 8.0.1.3.20170825 64bit (built Aug 25 2017)) with ESMTPSA id <0OWA00D4352B9120@kencur.apple.com>; Thu, 14 Sep 2017 10:11:00 -0700 (PDT) Sender: dschinazi@apple.com From: David Schinazi In-reply-to: Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 10:10:58 -0700 Cc: Juliusz Chroboczek , Babel at IETF , Russ White <7riw77@gmail.com>, "babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: References: <057f01d32c05$b57c7ed0$20757c70$@gmail.com> <87zi9zvu1b.wl-jch@irif.fr> To: Dave Taht X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrALMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FAYrquyY1ekweFbohb98++zWHz93MBi sWVRN4vFno0nWSzmty5jc2D12DnrLrvHkiU/mTwWb3nL6PHmUB9LAEsUl01Kak5mWWqRvl0C V8bX/uSCjQIV/5/1sjUwTuftYuTkkBAwkehraWEHsYUEVjNJPHwuBxOfNO0XG0R8E6PEx+fl IDavgKDEj8n3WLoYOTiYBdQlpkzJhShpZpKYepkZxBYWkJbounCXFcLWkWja850VpJxNQEvi wBojEJNTIFhizxltkAoWAVWJ6XO6gTq5gAZuYZR4++UU2FZmAW2JJ+8usEJstZHYvGomK0iR kMBjRomWlw0sIAkRAWWJKfdPsEOcLCtxa/YlsEkSAkvYJI5c/8cygVF4FpKzZyGcPQvJjgWM zKsYhXITM3N0M/NM9RILCnJS9ZLzczcxgqJgup3wDsbTq6wOMQpwMCrx8O7o3RUpxJpYVlyZ e4hRmoNFSZy3bvbOSCGB9MSS1OzU1ILUovii0pzU4kOMTBycUg2MWol3dhZ8kbB6O6UqJTbj qHRM8jeRF/+2X1sjUbXYWqvh4sWfX8teX9I3vrastGL6hm12lzwS9daca93ckuPaseybc/Hs wy1vnW6JxXuxHNpyrHBtY2roUcGeG1xvnON7RedcrXyxomqF3qTPLmWOYgoC4ae84+L+rC1Z 4mJXrbH/Y0OvqHmnEktxRqKhFnNRcSIAwK8NpmMCAAA= X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFjrCLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiON1OTVdlx65Ig9//BS36599nsfj6uYHF YsuibhaLPRtPsljMb13G5sDqsXPWXXaPJUt+Mnks3vKW0ePNoT6WAJYoLpuU1JzMstQifbsE royv/ckFGwUq/j/rZWtgnM7bxcjJISFgIjFp2i82EFtIYBOjxMfn5SA2r4CgxI/J91i6GDk4 mAXUJaZMyYUoaWaSmHqZGcQWFpCW6LpwlxXC1pFo2vOdFaScTUBL4sAaIxCTUyBYYs8ZbZAK FgFVielzuoE6uYAGbmGUePvlFNhWZgFtiSfvLrBCbLWR2LxqJitIkZDAY0aJlpcNLCAJEQFl iSn3T7BDnCwrcWv2JeYJjAKzkFw6C+HSWUjGLmBkXsUoUJSak1hpopdYUJCTqpecn7uJERS2 DYXhOxj/LbM6xCjAwajEw7ujd1ekEGtiWXFl7iFGCQ5mJRFeo01AId6UxMqq1KL8+KLSnNTi Q4zSHCxK4rzFT3ZGCgmkJ5akZqemFqQWwWSZODilGhhFzCvD65+9UJJy3ti4zveIh6zZz+9+ yVwvlZNf8C524/5ZF/SU92fOg50z5cT0qw5eXLRb1kpUTnndnLWlzgkfW4tuzYwQiT0lYvrZ KIU5tfNu7abDgqWSTKl/vrYf5Vpqwi3BfepbW2kES+e+4GhJOTdFZ07zF+zRXB09lvlLvVxX H5zKp8RSnJFoqMVcVJwIAHU7CoNXAgAA Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] routing tables of death X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 17:11:02 -0000 I haven't had the time to test interop or under load since we added = unicast hellos, this would be an interesting experiment. If an interop event is happening in Paris early 2018, having it the week = before or after IETF 101 (March 18-23) would greatly increase my odds of = attending. David > On Sep 13, 2017, at 12:01, Dave Taht wrote: >=20 > On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:15 AM, Juliusz Chroboczek = wrote: >>>> I confess curiosity, now that we have quagga, bird, and mainline = babeld >>>> versions, and nifty new stuff like unicast hellos, as to how well = they >>>> interoperate at this point, as well as perform, under a stress test = like: >>=20 >>> And FRR... >>=20 >> Babeld and FRR are known to interoperate, but that's little surprise, >> since they're based on the same code. >>=20 >> Quagga (the better-named ancestor of FRR) does not have a Babel >> implementation. >>=20 >> Perhaps Toke and David can tell us more about the tests they've done = with >> their respective implementations. >=20 > David's implementation also does unicast route transfer? >=20 >> (It would definitely be a cool thing to organise an interop event, = perhaps >> here in Paris. Not before 2018, though, the way my schedule is = going.) >=20 > Regrettably I have no time either, before 2018, it seems. I do hope to > have completed removing infinite buffering from a wifi mcast queue, > replacing it with a drop head, fq'd version by then. >=20 > fiddling with rtod sparked a great deal of (largely futile) thinking > about deadline scheduling and sanely shedding (cpu or bandwidth) load, > some of which I just wrote up here: >=20 > = https://plus.google.com/u/0/107942175615993706558/posts/ER5Kcp5KGRj?cfem=3D= 1 >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> -- Juliusz >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Dave T=C3=A4ht > CEO, TekLibre, LLC > http://www.teklibre.com > Tel: 1-669-226-2619 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > babel mailing list > babel@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/babel From nobody Tue Sep 26 13:01:25 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5C013247A for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:01:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TuqTWEVU5liT for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x231.google.com (mail-qk0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66EA8134450 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x231.google.com with SMTP id d70so11247281qkc.11 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:01:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9NHcBkhU4YoZvbB207uTaIWetcOPpjGWLpmbcCsk6Z0=; b=DTd9mXvgnZxqbqog/Dr46DOOlcWuHq8gv+gJlc5TCGWiX8WI8BAOD2C2QSfskSIIHH tdurPPYH4yRqtUKLy8zLejl9fBFKJqvWxRdJqUwQhiP1OCRmixgBFgHZWzdVJIf7iYh5 lqbU6K21re6QcWH+9H8V/eYs/7F3fbRhoDkNHkrFLZ4GQsPvplIMluiSd4rhr1Ndk6rs LT1T4Ms3T2VDwUlk6QNrt9AlHEhT+c4mme8ugxMj0JKKGdC251lSrpmgu4OETmIUayIe Dm6+t1oXvxt6SVudIKLdunW4osOINDGi9ozNUGez9Vx1YfbpzjQoXrDtQL4TEv1ghrcz NiPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9NHcBkhU4YoZvbB207uTaIWetcOPpjGWLpmbcCsk6Z0=; b=UqD1tJVjsC3l7dgILZZYHTNQRUPX540rdcLTujtENInw686ExM+CvLq2nT04YBMKrH Xs+JD2Jokli1nb2VUdYzn9wVhtoDomM6igTikSzRdgK9ZT4Aj1PsWOm/ZiDwtVdvmDwb g66mUn5M3DkFsElAZg01yJCN7+ohOAKA99urcJDEV7QbiUZ7eA5P1DzyOIJLLplXTkh2 c2V5Dl+jFVLvt1A62l0cQCfISagasL/zuGzsmIfuukHoO3tYYM6ENwGi1jkjc/9XeR1Z +dCo34mYVexz9oLOAG1/0KiNKpYFmQFoHxvvIJ0y6m4uc3EVyR36V4CO8ojjgUDO1+qU oBLA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUjrOb9B9AUxXG+nbX2mF7lx6LJJ35cE2A0/SECKqGKdhf6q7opv WjXE6Y82vebypqoLUD011kLFig1DHfbB5jg9EJ0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QAd3nhGP2OETpIC8ysvPVXLR9xx4w2yiX5SFXCQM+WvXi79PNyRTWCe9L3QGR0IKMJEhfq4ckQa6qZcGYlQjN0= X-Received: by 10.55.109.131 with SMTP id i125mr15962194qkc.17.1506456081365; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:01:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.12.137.164 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:01:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <057f01d32c05$b57c7ed0$20757c70$@gmail.com> <87zi9zvu1b.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Dave Taht Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 13:01:20 -0700 Message-ID: To: David Schinazi Cc: Juliusz Chroboczek , Babel at IETF , Russ White <7riw77@gmail.com>, "babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] routing tables of death X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2017 20:01:24 -0000 I too may be able to visit Paris in late march. also, a start at an alternative to shortest path metrics, with so many problems that I'd run off this page writing them up, but I was happy to read it this morning. http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/8025937/ From nobody Wed Sep 27 10:00:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: babel@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17416134E34 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:00:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qxMlzr5LAllQ for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr0-x22f.google.com (mail-wr0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c0c::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E96B1342DE for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id w12so17610162wrc.7 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:00:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=U6752qMUiLNg+6ONC+uGp+RxDFRo2A8fo1tE73syweY=; b=iMh3TqjxYF+19JbgOeeLsGTApaWHFMV4D+sz9yNP14sI65jAlChtv8bzZLknf3f7s5 LrXXxjowWduHI9XI5QGebmrfCjBiqT4wZPNqnco4tK7t1Xr/IZM22H5TGyRsNKu0iYsY 7jfP3sF7iU8mzgeUvFpsQlRy/+pkAFKqj5+EN1uOHo4exlIHBl2rDwFeccS7yniD0c3m 12m5Zpirkk8NqpH7ZOaRymoI9x9JGQAJWKoeRRxj7l5VjjKUg1sloG1Kut+KDeEyDRrT gIkEn9jmvWhVGPdoGOMo7c2efRe2dO3iV8jLx1y9LVSH80ZNjeWr/hiYPUrD6lgl780M h2dA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=U6752qMUiLNg+6ONC+uGp+RxDFRo2A8fo1tE73syweY=; b=ho+jiDGTqDMjwsErBCRx1s0IkGU7PikIZNJkdrYDvovdAJxNJwdewfKveMjFrHSsLo deISzVVSircAG0a2N5JLJ5scnp+hvluO9fTis5c8FbBEylnepb7v8qt5fgTEd26ZaMEi k4ATOTWwanucymmyZiw7nfx6hSzIN9AIA2pXiHqYVJI+/VNzEEw4xgcKKIrsFoumN4we OGv4PhLgyCHW2haFy/mebG6I3ayRujd6a5GU8XbrveA5r0nt02AJJUAtlf/LoMASq4S3 AQprPhJF3RV5qnVrfQUmcviq30FoENcCLWVS4NJKiZbiD2TIbnCYxUDlK0ivsyFN5gme 6OYA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHPjjUhQGZT7Z/iS8dub2S8H/jo9gs0VOyI5m5YGy7A5H0xbiMl0BfMV Z8WrCx6OtozGaMQNnTn1lGZxYQ7vcZsf8aaZlkU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AOwi7QA7SPwyaodnSMOPcFp1ZMOBntajw6oCro9StS2C0/HWjKhpx5IraEVr7hR5EWNGGS7r9XtU5jyNYUigAqhhkS0= X-Received: by 10.223.149.100 with SMTP id 91mr1687826wrs.262.1506531609627; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:00:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.178.169 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:00:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <057f01d32c05$b57c7ed0$20757c70$@gmail.com> <87zi9zvu1b.wl-jch@irif.fr> From: Jehan Tremback Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:00:08 -0700 Message-ID: To: Dave Taht Cc: David Schinazi , Babel at IETF , "babel-users@lists.alioth.debian.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0df2a26f53c7055a2eb9fa" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [babel] [Babel-users] routing tables of death X-BeenThere: babel@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "A list for discussion of the Babel Routing Protocol." 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Unfortunately there's a paywall on that article, but I= was wondering, what advantages does their queue aware technique have over = latency based routing?

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 1:01 PM, Dave Taht <= ;dave.taht@gmail.c= om> wrote:
I too may be abl= e to visit Paris in late march.

also, a start at an alternative to shortest path metrics, with so many
problems that I'd run off this page writing them up, but I was happy to read it this morning.

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