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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Multicast VPN state damping
        Authors         : Thomas Morin
                          Stephane Litkowski
                          Keyur Patel
                          Zhaohui Zhang
                          Robert Kebler
                          Jeff Haas
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-multicast-damping-03.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2016-01-05

Abstract:
   This document describes procedures to damp multicast VPN routing
   state changes and control the effect of the churn due to the
   multicast dynamicity in customer site.  The procedures described in
   this document are applicable to BGP-based multicast VPN and help
   avoid uncontrolled control plane load increase in the core routing
   infrastructure.  New procedures are proposed inspired from BGP
   unicast route damping principles, but adapted to multicast.



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Hello Working Group,

This email starts a Working Group Last Call on 
draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags-01 [1] which is considered mature and ready 
for a final working group review.

Please read the document if you haven't read the most recent
version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
*12th of January*.

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support for its publication.

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[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags/


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Sorry, the deadline is the 19th, not the 12th.

Thx
-m

Le 05/01/2016 15:48, Martin Vigoureux a écrit :
> Hello Working Group,
>
> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
> draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags-01 [1] which is considered mature and ready
> for a final working group review.
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> version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
> *12th of January*.
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> support for its publication.
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> applies to draft-ietf-bess-multicast-damping, to ensure that IPR has
> been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879,
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> whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
>
> Thank you,
> M&T
>
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags/
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Martin,

Martin Vigoureux :
> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that 
> applies to draft-ietf-bess-multicast-damping, to ensure that IPR has 
> been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 
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I am not aware of any such IPR.

Best,

-Thomas


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Working Group Name: BGP Enabled Services
Area Name: Routing Area
Session Requester: Martin Vigoureux

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  2 Hours
Number of Attendees: 120
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 First Priority: sidr sfc pals idr rtgwg
 Second Priority: mpls spring pim nvo3 bier
 Third Priority: i2rs


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Updated processing of control flags for BGP VPLS
        Authors         : Ravi Singh
                          Kireeti Kompella
                          Senad Palislamovic
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-bgp-vpls-control-flags-00.txt
	Pages           : 8
	Date            : 2016-01-05

Abstract:
   This document updates the meaning of the "control flags" fields
   inside the "layer2 info extended community" used for BGP-VPLS NLRI.



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Working Group Name: BGP Enabled Services
Area Name: Routing Area
Session Requester: Martin Vigoureux

Number of Sessions: 1
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Number of Attendees: 120
Conflicts to Avoid: 
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP based Multi-homing in Virtual Private LAN Service
        Authors         : Bhupesh Kothari
                          Kireeti Kompella
                          Wim Henderickx
                          Florin Balus
                          James Uttaro
                          Senad Palislamovic
                          Wen Lin
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-vpls-multihoming-01.txt
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	Date            : 2016-01-06

Abstract:
   Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS) is a Layer 2 Virtual Private
   Network (VPN) that gives its customers the appearance that their
   sites are connected via a Local Area Network (LAN).  It is often
   required for the Service Provider (SP) to give the customer redundant
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Thanks for addressing the discuss by adding more text on protection
of inter-DC traffic.



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Hiya,

On 05/01/16 10:02, Xuxiaohu wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> I wonder whether the following explanation is fine to you.

Sorry for the slow response. I didn't manage to find a
reason to justify "forcing" mention of MACsec:-) So, I've
cleared the discuss. Thanks for adding the text you have
on securing inter-DC traffic,

Cheers,
S.

> 
> Best regards,
> Xiaohu
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Xuxiaohu
>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 5:27 PM
>> To: 'Stephen Farrell'; Alvaro Retana (aretana); The IESG
>> Cc: draft-ietf-bess-virtual-subnet@ietf.org; bess-chairs@ietf.org;
>> martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com; bess@ietf.org
>> Subject: RE: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-virtual-subnet-06: (with
>> DISCUSS and COMMENT)
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Stephen Farrell [mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie]
>>> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 3:21 PM
>>> To: Xuxiaohu; Alvaro Retana (aretana); The IESG
>>> Cc: draft-ietf-bess-virtual-subnet@ietf.org; bess-chairs@ietf.org;
>>> martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com; bess@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on
>>> draft-ietf-bess-virtual-subnet-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18/12/15 06:25, Xuxiaohu wrote:
>>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for my late response. The reason that I hesitated to add
>>>> MACsec as an additional example of a strong security mechanism is as
>>>> follows: MACsec is a layer2 encryption mechanism and therefore it
>>>> seems not much suitable to protect IP encapsulated traffic between
>>>> PE routers, unless these PE routers are directly connected to each
>>>> other at Layer2.
>>>
>>> My belief is that such a scenario can be the case for some inter-DC
>>> links. That's not based on real experience though so I'm open to
>>> correction. Hopefully, someone getting this mail knows the answer and
>>> can tell us if MACsec really is worth mentioning. (If not, I'm now
>>> curious enough to try go chase down the
>>> answer:-)
>>>
>>
>> Hi Stephen,
>>
>> The following are some materials related to MACsec and MPLS VPN:
>>
>> https://www.brocade.com/content/dam/common/documents/content-types/f
>> eature-guide/brocade-macsec-fg.pdf
>> http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/release-independent/nce/information
>> -products/pathway-pages/nce/nce-137-macsec-over-mpls-ccc-configuring.pdf
>>
>> It shows that MACsec is mainly applicable to MPLS L2VPN scenarios such as VLL
>> and VPLS rather than MPLS L3VPN.  Since this draft is based on MPLS L3VPN
>> (i.e., MPLS/BGP IP VPN), it seems that we don't have to mention it as one
>> ADDITIONAL example of a strong security mechanism. Is it fine for you?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Xiaohu
>>
>>>> If my understand is wrong, would you please explain how to use
>>>> MACsec to protect the IP encapsulated traffic between PE routers
>>>> which are not directly connected? Or would you please provide me a
>>>> link to some RFC which talks about this usage?
>>>
>>> I don't believe there is. At that point you have to go up the stack to
>>> MPLS-OS maybe, or IPsec. But the text does already cover this.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> S.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards, Xiaohu
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Farrell
>>>>> [mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015
>>>>> 5:00 PM To: Xuxiaohu; Alvaro Retana (aretana); The IESG Cc:
>>>>> draft-ietf-bess-virtual-subnet@ietf.org; bess-chairs@ietf.org;
>>>>> martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com; bess@ietf.org Subject: Re:
>>>>> Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-bess-virtual-subnet-06:
>>>>> (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hiya,
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15/12/15 01:19, Xuxiaohu wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It said "...using a strong security mechanism such as IPsec
>>>>>> [RFC4301]". Here IPsec is just mentioned as an example of a strong
>>>>>> security mechanism. Therefore, it doesn't exclude MACsec.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, but...
>>>>>
>>>>> The text that I suggested and that you said seemed good did include
>>>>> MACsec.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/12/15 07:47, Xuxiaohu wrote:
>>>>>>> So maybe something more like:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Inter data-centre traffic often carries highly sensitive
>>>>>>> information
>>>>> at higher
>>>>>>> layers that is not directly understood (parsed) within an egress
>>>>>>> or ingress PE. For example, migrating a VM
>>>>> will often
>>>>>>> mean moving private keys and other sensitive configuration
>>>>> information. For
>>>>>>> this reason inter data-centre traffic SHOULD always be protected
>>>>>>> for both confidentiality and integrity using a strong security
>>>>>>> mechanism such
>>>>> as IPsec [1]
>>>>>>> or MACsec [2] In future it may be feasible to protect that
>>>>>>> traffic
>>>>> within the MPLS
>>>>>>> layer [3] though at the time of writing the mechanism for that is
>>>>>>> not
>>>>> sufficiently
>>>>>>> mature to recommend. Exactly how such security mechanisms are
>>>>> deployed will
>>>>>>> vary from case to case, so securing the inter data-centre traffic
>>>>>>> may
>>>>> or may not
>>>>>>> involve deploying security mechanisms on the ingress/egress PEs
>>>>>>> or
>>>>> further
>>>>>>> "inside" the data centres concerned. Note though that if security
>>>>>>> is
>>>>> not deployed
>>>>>>> on the egress/ingress PEs there is a substantial risk that some
>>>>> sensitive traffic
>>>>>>> may be sent in clear and therefore be vulnerable to pervasive
>>>>> monitoring [4] or
>>>>>>> other attacks."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks a lot for your suggested text. If nobody object the above
>>>>>> text, I will add it in the next revision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And indeed you added it all except for MACsec.
>>>>>
>>>>> And my question is not whether MACsec is excluded but rather why it
>>>>> was omitted, when afaik, it is what is most used for securing this
>>>>> particular kind of inter-DC traffic. (At least I believe that
>>>>> MACsec is what's most used there. If not, I'd be glad to know
>>>>> that.)
>>>>>
>>>>> So, why not include MACsec? Did someone object? If so, why? (And
>>>>> can you send a pointer to the WG list where that objection was
>>>>> raised so I can understand it better.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, S.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards, Xiaohu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Farrell
>>>>>>> [mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie] Sent: Monday, December 14,
>>>>>>> 2015 9:47 PM To: Alvaro Retana (aretana); Xuxiaohu; The IESG
>>>>>>> Cc: draft-ietf-bess-virtual-subnet@ietf.org;
>>>>>>> bess-chairs@ietf.org; martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com;
>>>>>>> bess@ietf.org Subject: Re: Stephen Farrell's Discuss on
>>>>>>> draft-ietf-bess-virtual-subnet-06: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can someone say why the mention of MACsec wasn't included? As I
>>>>>>> understand it, MACsec is what's mostly usable for inter-DC
>>>>>>> security so omitting it seems like a bad idea (or perhaps I'm
>>>>>>> misinformed)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, S.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14/12/15 13:34, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote:
>>>>>>>> Stephen:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Xiaohu posted an update that we hope addresses your concerns.
>>>>>>>> Pelase take a look.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alvaro.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>


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Hello working group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
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Please state on the list if you support adoption or not (in the both 
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This is a reminder

Thank you


Le 05/01/2016 15:50, Martin Vigoureux a écrit :
> Sorry, the deadline is the 19th, not the 12th.
>
> Thx
> -m
>
> Le 05/01/2016 15:48, Martin Vigoureux a écrit :
>> Hello Working Group,
>>
>> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
>> draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags-01 [1] which is considered mature and ready
>> for a final working group review.
>>
>> Please read the document if you haven't read the most recent
>> version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
>> *12th of January*.
>>
>> This is not only a call for comments on the document, but also a call of
>> support for its publication.
>>
>> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
>> applies to draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags-01, to ensure that IPR has
>> been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879,
>> 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>>
>> *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor of
>> draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags-01 please respond to this email and indicate
>> whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> M&T
>>
>> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags/
>>
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Folks,

For some freak reason I was (somewhat) involved in the discussion when
this document was started up.

I've read it several times and it is a very useful, almost "must have"
type of document. The document is ready for publication!

/Loa

On 2016-01-11 17:11, Martin Vigoureux wrote:
> This is a reminder
>
> Thank you
>
>
> Le 05/01/2016 15:50, Martin Vigoureux a écrit :
>> Sorry, the deadline is the 19th, not the 12th.
>>
>> Thx
>> -m
>>
>> Le 05/01/2016 15:48, Martin Vigoureux a écrit :
>>> Hello Working Group,
>>>
>>> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
>>> draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags-01 [1] which is considered mature and ready
>>> for a final working group review.
>>>
>>> Please read the document if you haven't read the most recent
>>> version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
>>> *12th of January*.
>>>
>>> This is not only a call for comments on the document, but also a call of
>>> support for its publication.
>>>
>>> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
>>> applies to draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags-01, to ensure that IPR has
>>> been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879,
>>> 3669 and 5378 for more details).
>>>
>>> *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor of
>>> draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags-01 please respond to this email and indicate
>>> whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> M&T
>>>
>>> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags/
>>>
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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Virtual Subnet: A BGP/MPLS IP VPN-based Subnet Extension Solution'
  (draft-ietf-bess-virtual-subnet-07.txt) as Informational RFC

This document is the product of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group.

The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah
Brungard.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-virtual-subnet/





Technical Summary

   This document describes a BGP/MPLS IP VPN-based subnet extension
   solution referred to as Virtual Subnet, which can be used for
   building Layer3 network virtualization overlays within and/or between
   data centers.

Working Group Summary

  This document generated a lot of discussions within L3VPN/BESS Working Groups
  up to the level where it "could have been considered controversial" (Shepherd), due 
  to the existence of certain limitations of the solution.
  
  The consensus nevertheless was in favor of the adoption, and the limitations have
  been described in the document.

Document Quality

   The extension described in the document amounts to a potential 
   set of deployment scenarios using existing technology, so it doesn't
   specify protocol extensions.   There is at least one known deployment.

Personnel

  Martin Vigoureux is the Document Shepherd
  Alvaro Retana is the Responsible AD


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Support for this much needed document.

Jeffrey

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin Vigoureux
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 4:12 AM
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> Subject: Re: [bess] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags-01
>=20
> This is a reminder
>=20
> Thank you
>=20
>=20
> Le 05/01/2016 15:50, Martin Vigoureux a =E9crit :
> > Sorry, the deadline is the 19th, not the 12th.
> >
> > Thx
> > -m
> >
> > Le 05/01/2016 15:48, Martin Vigoureux a =E9crit :
> >> Hello Working Group,
> >>
> >> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
> >> draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags-01 [1] which is considered mature and ready
> >> for a final working group review.
> >>
> >> Please read the document if you haven't read the most recent
> >> version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
> >> *12th of January*.
> >>
> >> This is not only a call for comments on the document, but also a call
> of
> >> support for its publication.
> >>
> >> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
> >> applies to draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags-01, to ensure that IPR has
> >> been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879,
> >> 3669 and 5378 for more details).
> >>
> >> *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor of
> >> draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags-01 please respond to this email and indicate
> >> whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >> M&T
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> >> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags/
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Support as co-author

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--- tony
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of RABADAN, Jorge
> (Jorge)
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 4:02 PM
> To: VIGOUREUX, Martin (Martin); bess@ietf.org
> Cc: draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election@tools.ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [bess] Poll for adoption: draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-electio=
n-02
>=20
> I support this document for WG adoption.
> It is an important optimization to the RFC7432 DF election and the base f=
or
> future work.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Thanks.
> Jorge
>=20
>=20
> On 1/11/16, 1:07 AM, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux" <bess-
> bounces@ietf.org on behalf of martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
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> >Hello working group,
> >
> >This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
> >draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election-02 [1] as a working group item.
> >
> >Please state on the list if you support adoption or not (in the both
> >cases, please also state the reasons).
> >
> >This poll runs until *the 25th of January*.
> >
> >Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this document.
> >
> >*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
> >applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
> >compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for
> >more details).
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> >=3D=3D> *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor please
> >respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
> >relevant IPR.
> >
> >The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from
> >each author and contributor.
> >
> >If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please
> >explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet
> >been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
> >
> >Thank you,
> >
> >Martin & Thomas
> >bess chairs
> >
> >[1]
> >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election/
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Support as co-author.

Thanks,
=8BSatya

On 1/11/16, 1:07 AM, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux"
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>Hello working group,
>
>This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
>draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election-02 [1] as a working group item.
>
>Please state on the list if you support adoption or not (in the both
>cases, please also state the reasons).
>
>This poll runs until *the 25th of January*.
>
>Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this document.
>
>*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
>applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
>compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
>and 5378 for more details).
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>=3D=3D> *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor please
>respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
>relevant IPR.
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>The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from
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>been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
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>Thank you,
>
>Martin & Thomas
>bess chairs
>
>[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election/
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>On 2016/01/11 18:07, Martin Vigoureux wrote:
>> Hello working group,
>>=20
>> This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
>> draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election-02 [1] as a working group item.
>>=20
>> Please state on the list if you support adoption or not (in the both
>>cases, please also state the reasons).
>>=20
>> This poll runs until *the 25th of January*.
>>=20
>> Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this document.
>>=20
>> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
>> applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
>> compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
>> and 5378 for more details).
>>=20
>> =3D=3D> *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor please
>> respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
>>relevant IPR.
>>=20
>> The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from
>> each author and contributor.
>>=20
>> If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please
>>explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet
>>been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>>=20
>> Thank you,
>>=20
>> Martin & Thomas
>> bess chairs
>>=20
>> [1]=20
>>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election/
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I=B9m supporting this document.
This document improves and clarifies greatly DH/MH EVPN scenarios.
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>On 2016/01/11 18:07, Martin Vigoureux wrote:
>> Hello working group,
>>=20
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>>cases, please also state the reasons).
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>>=20
>> Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this document.
>>=20
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>> applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
>> compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
>> and 5378 for more details).
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>> respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
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>>=20
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>> Thank you,
>>=20
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>cases, please also state the reasons).
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>
>Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this document.
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No IPR

Yours Irrespectively,

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John E Drake
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:24 AM
> To: 'Martin Vigoureux'; bess@ietf.org
> Cc: draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election@tools.ietf.org
> Subject: RE: [bess] Poll for adoption: draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-electio=
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> 02
>=20
> Support.  It improves the stability of an EVPN network.
>=20
> Yours Irrespectively,
>=20
> John
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin
> > Vigoureux
> > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 4:08 AM
> > To: bess@ietf.org
> > Cc: draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election@tools.ietf.org
> > Subject: [bess] Poll for adoption:
> > draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election-02
> >
> > Hello working group,
> >
> > This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
> > draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election-02 [1] as a working group item.
> >
> > Please state on the list if you support adoption or not (in the both
> > cases, please also state the reasons).
> >
> > This poll runs until *the 25th of January*.
> >
> > Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this document.
> >
> > *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
> > applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
> > compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for
> more details).
> >
> > =3D=3D> *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor please
> > respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
> relevant IPR.
> >
> > The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from
> > each author and contributor.
> >
> > If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please
> > explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet
> > been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Martin & Thomas
> > bess chairs
> >
> > [1]
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election/
> >
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Support the adoption of the draft.

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : Extranet Multicast in BGP/IP MPLS VPNs
        Authors         : Yakov Rekhter
                          Eric C. Rosen
                          Rahul Aggarwal
                          Yiqun Cai
                          Thomas Morin
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-extranet-06.txt
	Pages           : 61
	Date            : 2016-01-12

Abstract:
   Previous RFCs specify the procedures necessary to allow IP multicast
   traffic to travel from one site to another within a BGP/MPLS IP VPN
   (Virtual Private Network).  However, it is sometimes desirable to
   allow multicast traffic whose source is in one VPN to be received by
   systems that are in another VPN.  This is known as a "Multicast VPN
   (MVPN) extranet".  This document updates RFCs 6513, 6514, and 6625 by
   specifying the procedures that are necessary in order to provide MVPN
   extranet service.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-extranet/

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https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-extranet-06

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-extranet-06


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On 12/23/2015 10:13 AM, Susan Hares wrote:
>
> Sections which must be added to clear my concerns
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *4.4.1 Extranet Source Extended Community *
>
>    To facilitate this, we define a new Transitive Opaque Extended  
> Community, the "Extranet Source" Extended Community.
>
>    The value field of this extended community is all zeros.
>
> *Restrictions: *This value field MUST be set  to zero upon 
> origination,  MUST be ignored upon reception and MUST  be passed 
> unchanged by intermediate routers.
>
> *Additional Restrictions: *A Route Reflector MUST NOT add/remove the 
> Extranet Source Extended  Community from the VPN-IP routes reflected 
> by  the Route Reflector,  including the case where VPN-IP routes 
> received via IBGP are reflected to EBGP peers (inter-AS option (c), 
> see [RFC6513]   Section 10).
>

The draft has the following text in section 4.4.1 ("The Extranet Source 
Extended Community"):

"The value field of the Extended Community MUST be set to zero. "

"A PE router that interprets this Extended Community MUST ignore the 
contents of the value field."

and the following text in section 4.4.2 ("Distribution of Extranet 
Source Extended Community"):

    "A Route Reflector MUST NOT add or remove the Extranet Source 
Extended Community from the VPN-IP routes reflected by the Route 
Reflector, including the case where VPN-IP routes received via IBGP are 
reflected to EBGP peers (inter-AS option (c), see [RFC6513] Section 
10).  The value of the Extended Community MUST NOT be changed by the 
route reflector."

    "When re-advertising VPN-IP routes, ASBRs MUST NOT add/remove the 
Extranet Source Extended Community from these routes.  This includes 
inter-AS options (b) and (c) (see [RFC6513] Section 10).  The value of 
the Extended Community MUST NOT be changed by the ASBRs."

It seems to me that this contains the information you have requested.  
It may not be in the format you prefer, but I think it goes beyond the 
scope of an ops-dir review (or an IESG Discuss) to demand format changes.
>
> *4.4.2 Extranet Separation Extended community *
>
> **
>
> We define a new Transitive Opaque Extended Community, the "Extranet  
> Separation" Extended Community.  This Extended Community is used only  
> when extranet separation is being used.
>
> *Restrictions:*  Its value field MUST be set to zero upon origination, 
> MUST be ignored upon reception, and MUST be
>
>    passed unchanged by intermediate routers.
>
> *  Restrictions on Adding/deleting this community:*  ??  (Eric â€“ 
> please add something here).
>
The draft now contains the following text in section 4.5 ("The Extranet 
Separation Extended Community"):

"We define a new Transitive Opaque Extended Community, the "Extranet 
Separation" Extended Community (see [RFC4360], [RFC7153], and Section 9 
of this document).  This Extended Community is used only when extranet 
separation is being used. Its value field MUST be set to zero upon 
origination, MUST be ignored upon reception, and MUST be passed 
unchanged by intermediate routers.  A Route Reflector MUST NOT add or 
remove the Extranet Separation Extended Community from the routes it 
reflects, including the case where routes received via IBGP are 
reflected to EBGP peers (inter-AS option (c), see [RFC6513] Section 10)."

It seems to me that this contains the information you have requested.

> *Comments that could be put in a Security section: *
>
> **
>
> Whenever a VPN is provisioned, there is a risk that provisioning 
> errors will result in an unintended cross-connection of VPNs, which 
> would create a security problem for the customers.  Extranet can be 
> particularly tricky, as it intentionally cross-connects VPNs, but in a 
> manner that is intended to be strictly limited by policy.
>
The Security Considerations section already contains the following text:

  "As is the case with any application of technology based upon 
[RFC4364], misconfiguration of the RTs may result in VPN security 
violations (i.e., may result in a packet being delivered to a VPN where, 
according to policy, it is not supposed to go)."

I don't think the above requested text really adds anything, it's just 
saying the same thing over again.
>
> If one is connecting two VPNs that have overlapping address spaces, 
> one has to be sure that the inter-VPN traffic isn't to/from the part 
> of the address space that is in the overlap.  The draft discusses a 
> lot of the corner cases, and a lot of the scenarios in which things 
> can go wrong.
>
The difficulty of dealing with overlapping address spaces when 
connecting two VPNs is already discussed extensively throughout the 
document.  I don't see that the requested paragraph adds anything of 
substance.


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    The draft has the following text in section 4.4.1 ("The Extranet
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    It seems to me that this contains the information you have
    requested.Â  It may not be in the format you prefer, but I think it
    goes beyond the scope of an ops-dir review (or an IESG Discuss) to
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        <p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><b>4.4.2 Extranet Separation Extended
            community <o:p></o:p></b></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><b><o:p>Â </o:p></b></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">We define a new Transitive Opaque
          Extended Community, the "ExtranetÂ  Separation" Extended
          Community.Â  This Extended Community is used onlyÂ  when
          extranet separation is being used.Â  <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">Â Â  <b>Restrictions:</b> Â Its value
          field MUST be set to zero upon origination, MUST be ignored
          upon reception, and MUST be<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">Â Â  passed unchanged by intermediate
          routers.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><b>Â  Restrictions on Adding/deleting
            this community:</b>Â  ??Â  (Eric â€“ please add something here).
        </p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    The draft now contains the following text in section 4.5 ("The
    Extranet Separation Extended Community"):<br>
    <br>
    Â Â  <tt>"We define a new Transitive Opaque Extended Community, the
      "Extranet Separation" Extended Community (see [RFC4360],
      [RFC7153], and Section 9 of this document).Â  This Extended
      Community is used only when extranet separation is being used.Â 
      Its value field MUST be set to zero upon origination, MUST be
      ignored upon reception, and MUST be passed unchanged by
      intermediate routers.Â  A Route Reflector MUST NOT add or remove
      the Extranet Separation Extended Community from the routes it
      reflects, including the case where routes received via IBGP are
      reflected to EBGP peers (inter-AS option (c), see [RFC6513]
      Section 10)."</tt><br>
    <br>
    It seems to me that this contains the information you have
    requested.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:000d01d13d94$80868a10$81939e30$@ndzh.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><b>Comments that could be put in a
            Security section: <o:p></o:p></b></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText"><b><o:p>Â </o:p></b></p>
        <p class="MsoPlainText">Whenever a VPN is provisioned, there is
          a risk that provisioning errors will result in an unintended
          cross-connection of VPNs, which would create a security
          problem for the customers.Â  Extranet can be particularly
          tricky, as it intentionally cross-connects VPNs, but in a
          manner that is intended to be strictly limited by policy.</p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    The Security Considerations section already contains the following
    text:<br>
    <br>
    <tt>Â "As is the case with any application of technology based upon
      [RFC4364], misconfiguration of the RTs may result in VPN security
      violations (i.e., may result in a packet being delivered to a VPN
      where, according to policy, it is not supposed to go)." <br>
      <br>
    </tt>I don't think the above requested text really adds anything,
    it's just saying the same thing over again.<br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:000d01d13d94$80868a10$81939e30$@ndzh.com"
      type="cite">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoPlainText"> If one is connecting two VPNs that have
          overlapping address spaces, one has to be sure that the
          inter-VPN traffic isn't to/from the part of the address space
          that is in the overlap.Â  The draft discusses a lot of the
          corner cases, and a lot of the scenarios in which things can
          go wrong. Â <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    The difficulty of dealing with overlapping address spaces when
    connecting two VPNs is already discussed extensively throughout the
    document.Â  I don't see that the requested paragraph adds anything of
    substance.<br>
    <br>
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Folks,

Pardon the cross-post, but I think this may be of interest to all three 
of the IDR, MPLS, and BESS WGs.

I've posted draft-rosen-idr-rfc3107bis-00 ("Using BGP to Bind MPLS 
Labels to Address Prefixes"), which is intended of course to obsolete 
RFC 3107 ("Carrying Label Information in BGP").  (While I put "idr" in 
the name of the draft, it's not completely obvious which WG should own 
this draft (assuming it progresses)).

The purpose of this draft is the following:

- It fixes a number of errors in RFC3107.  It attempts to do so in a way 
that is compatible with existing implementations.

- It removes the material about "Advertising Multiple Routes to a 
Destination".  This is a feature that was never implemented as 
specified, and the text about it just causes confusion.  The 
functionality that this feature was intended to provide can now be 
better provided by using add-paths; this is discussed in the draft.

- It is explicit about its applicability to SAFI 128 as well as to SAFI 4.

- It clarifies the procedures for withdrawing and replacing label bindings.

- It discusses the relationship between SAFI-1 routes and SAFI-4 routes, 
which is very unclear in RFC3107.  Different implementations have 
treated the SAFI-1/SAFI-4 interactions differently, and the draft 
discusses these differences.  However, as the draft is not intended to 
favor any one implementation over another, it can't do much more than 
point out some of the differences among implementations.

- RFC 3107 provides an encoding that allows BGP to assign multiple 
labels (i.e., a label stack) to a given prefix.  However, it provides no 
semantics for this, and this feature has been only rarely implemented.  
In fact, it is believed that some implementations will not parse the 
Updates correctly if they encode multiple labels in the NLRI.  Therefore 
the draft only allows a label stack to be assigned to a given prefix if 
a new Capability has been exchanged.  It also discusses the semantics of 
assigning a label stack, and gives some examples of how this might be used.

I hope that those of you who are interested in this topic will provide 
your comments.  I've tried to make the draft compatible with existing 
implementations and deployments, so if anyone sees anything that 
negatively impacts an existing implementation, please comment on that.

I also removed most of the text that explains why it is a good idea to 
use BGP to distribute label bindings.  That text was important in the 
'90s, but now seems rather out of date.  However, I would welcome 
comments on whether an updated "motivation/positioning" section should 
be added.

Thanks,

Eric


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Hi Eric,

Thanks for the draft. I read it and it looks good and useful to me.
I have mostly 1 comment:

> - RFC 3107 provides an encoding that allows BGP to assign multiple labels

Upfront, the current issue is that implementations, which claim compliance =
with RFC 3107, are just non-compliant. So the draft is proposing to change =
the specification to make such implementations compliant, while another opt=
ion would be to fix implementation (to be compliant with the RFC they claim=
 to support).
I don't really expect that we'll agree on it, but I had to make the comment=
 nonetheless. ;-)
That being said,

The proposed capability is a good idea to improve interoperability. Thanks.

The main issue I have, is that this draft is not backward compatible with R=
FC 3107 (as a RFC 3107 speaker will never notice that its peer has not send=
 the new capability, and may still send multiple labels). Plus in case of e=
rror due to this incompatibility, the error handling behavior is likely to =
be "BGP session shutdown" (as the NLRI "cannot" be correctly parsed) which =
is disruptive. Plus the implementation A not supporting multiple labels, wi=
ll claim that the implementation B supporting multiple labels is "not compl=
iant" with rfc3107bis, while I would rather argue that this is implementati=
on A which is not compliant with RFC 3107.

I'd propose one change:
- Capability means: I don't support receiving multiple labels, hence you SH=
OULD not send that to me.
- Even if the capability is not advertised by both peers, and hence a singl=
e label is expected, all implementations MUST check that the "S" bit (in th=
is first label) is set to 1. If the bit is cleared, the Prefix MUST be iden=
tified as per RFC 3107/this document and treated as withdraw as defined in =
RFC 7606.

This means more work for rfc3107bis speakers, but we can't ask existing spe=
akers to do the job. Especially since they were compliant with RFC 3107.

Alternatively, the capability could be extended to carry two meanings: I su=
pport rfc3107bis, I support multiple labels. This would allow a rfc3107bis =
speaker to refuse the BGP connection with RFC 3107 speakers. But this is mu=
ch less convenient.




Plus very minor comments
- From an editorial standpoint, I'd personally favor removing =A72.2 and sa=
ying in 2.3(or elsewhere) that if the capability is not exchanged, a single=
 label may be encoded. (IMHO duplicating the text is less easy to read and =
more error prone. And I believe this would be enough to address your point).
- In Figure 2 (=A72.3), 2 labels are indicated. Do you think there is a nee=
d to indicate which one is the first (Label 1) and which one is the k th (L=
abel k). Indeed, the order of the labels is significant when the router wil=
l need to push them in the dataplane. Or a sentence could be added to make =
this explicit.
- In =A74, there is a possible case which is not described:
S1 receives L11, L12,... L1k
S1 sends      L21, L12,... L1k
S1 programs in the data plane: L21 swap L11
Compared to sending a single label (L21), S1 avoids having to push k labels=
 in its dataplane, which it may be incapable of.
- In =A74
"While this may be useful in certain scenarios, it may provide unintended r=
esults in other scenarios." I fail to see when this can be useful as N1 or =
downstream LSR will receive packets with labels there are not aware of (L22=
...L2k). Out of curiosity, I'm be curious to know the useful scenario that =
you have in mind.
- in =A75 " It is possible that a BGP speaker will receive both a SAFI-1 ro=
ute
   for prefix P and a SAFI-4 route for prefix P.  The significance of
   this is a matter of local policy."
For 6PE (rfc4798), may be this should not be a local policy but be specifie=
d as a priori SAFI-1 and SAFI-4 prefix should be comparable. Ideally rfc479=
8 could have specified this but I haven't check if it's done. Alternatively=
 =A75 could reference this case.
(Same point for propagation between SAFI-1 and SAFI-4)


Thanks again for the draft,
Regards,
-- Bruno


> From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric C Rosen
> Subject: [bess] draft-rosen-idr-rfc3107bis-00
>=20
> Folks,
>=20
> Pardon the cross-post, but I think this may be of interest to all three
> of the IDR, MPLS, and BESS WGs.
>=20
> I've posted draft-rosen-idr-rfc3107bis-00 ("Using BGP to Bind MPLS
> Labels to Address Prefixes"), which is intended of course to obsolete
> RFC 3107 ("Carrying Label Information in BGP").  (While I put "idr" in
> the name of the draft, it's not completely obvious which WG should own
> this draft (assuming it progresses)).
>=20
> The purpose of this draft is the following:
>=20
> - It fixes a number of errors in RFC3107.  It attempts to do so in a way
> that is compatible with existing implementations.
>=20
> - It removes the material about "Advertising Multiple Routes to a
> Destination".  This is a feature that was never implemented as
> specified, and the text about it just causes confusion.  The
> functionality that this feature was intended to provide can now be
> better provided by using add-paths; this is discussed in the draft.
>=20
> - It is explicit about its applicability to SAFI 128 as well as to SAFI 4.
>=20
> - It clarifies the procedures for withdrawing and replacing label binding=
s.
>=20
> - It discusses the relationship between SAFI-1 routes and SAFI-4 routes,
> which is very unclear in RFC3107.  Different implementations have
> treated the SAFI-1/SAFI-4 interactions differently, and the draft
> discusses these differences.  However, as the draft is not intended to
> favor any one implementation over another, it can't do much more than
> point out some of the differences among implementations.
>=20
> - RFC 3107 provides an encoding that allows BGP to assign multiple
> labels (i.e., a label stack) to a given prefix.  However, it provides no
> semantics for this, and this feature has been only rarely implemented.
> In fact, it is believed that some implementations will not parse the
> Updates correctly if they encode multiple labels in the NLRI.  Therefore
> the draft only allows a label stack to be assigned to a given prefix if
> a new Capability has been exchanged.  It also discusses the semantics of
> assigning a label stack, and gives some examples of how this might be use=
d.
>=20
> I hope that those of you who are interested in this topic will provide
> your comments.  I've tried to make the draft compatible with existing
> implementations and deployments, so if anyone sees anything that
> negatively impacts an existing implementation, please comment on that.
>=20
> I also removed most of the text that explains why it is a good idea to
> use BGP to distribute label bindings.  That text was important in the
> '90s, but now seems rather out of date.  However, I would welcome
> comments on whether an updated "motivation/positioning" section should
> be added.
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Eric
>=20
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I=B9m not aware of any IPR related to the draft.

Thanks,
=8BSatya

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>Hello working group,
>
>This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
>draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election-02 [1] as a working group item.
>
>Please state on the list if you support adoption or not (in the both
>cases, please also state the reasons).
>
>This poll runs until *the 25th of January*.
>
>Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this document.
>
>*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
>applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
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I support this draft. It improves the stability with the better DF
election algorithm.

Thanks,
Kishore


>
>On 1/11/16, 1:07 AM, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux"
><bess-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Hello working group,
>>
>>This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
>>draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election-02 [1] as a working group item.
>>
>>Please state on the list if you support adoption or not (in the both
>>cases, please also state the reasons).
>>
>>This poll runs until *the 25th of January*.
>>
>>Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this document.
>>
>>*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
>>applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
>>compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
>>and 5378 for more details).
>>
>>=3D=3D> *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor please
>>respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
>>relevant IPR.
>>
>>The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from
>>each author and contributor.
>>
>>If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please
>>explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet
>>been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>>
>>Thank you,
>>
>>Martin & Thomas
>>bess chairs
>>
>>[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election/
>>
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Subject: Re: [bess] Poll for adoption: draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election-02
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I support this draft. It improves the stability with the better DF
election algorithm.

Thanks,
Tapraj


On 1/14/16, 7:21 PM, "BESS on behalf of Kishore Tiruveedhula"
<bess-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of kishoret@juniper.net> wrote:

>I support this draft. It improves the stability with the better DF
>election algorithm.
>
>Thanks,
>Kishore
>
>
>>
>>On 1/11/16, 1:07 AM, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux"
>><bess-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>
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>>>Hello working group,
>>>
>>>This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
>>>draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election-02 [1] as a working group item.
>>>
>>>Please state on the list if you support adoption or not (in the both
>>>cases, please also state the reasons).
>>>
>>>This poll runs until *the 25th of January*.
>>>
>>>Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this document.
>>>
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>>>been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>>>
>>>Thank you,
>>>
>>>Martin & Thomas
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>>>
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I support the adoption of this draft, it clarifies RFC 7432 with DF FSM and=
 improves the operational experience by introducing a new DF election algor=
ithm.
Thanks,
Autumn

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Subject: Re: [bess] Poll for adoption: draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election-=
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I support this draft. It improves the stability with the better DF election=
 algorithm.

Thanks,
Kishore


>
>On 1/11/16, 1:07 AM, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux"
><bess-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of=20
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>
>>Hello working group,
>>
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>>
>>Please state on the list if you support adoption or not (in the both=20
>>cases, please also state the reasons).
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in=20
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>>Thank you,
>>
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Eric,

In this particular case I think "cross-posting" is necessary.

One small reflection for what it is worth.

If there is no strong reason to put this in one working group or
another, there is probably no strong reason to change the home of a
draft either.

/Loa

On 2016-01-14 02:11, Eric C Rosen wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Pardon the cross-post, but I think this may be of interest to all three
> of the IDR, MPLS, and BESS WGs.
>
> I've posted draft-rosen-idr-rfc3107bis-00 ("Using BGP to Bind MPLS
> Labels to Address Prefixes"), which is intended of course to obsolete
> RFC 3107 ("Carrying Label Information in BGP").  (While I put "idr" in
> the name of the draft, it's not completely obvious which WG should own
> this draft (assuming it progresses)).
>
> The purpose of this draft is the following:
>
> - It fixes a number of errors in RFC3107.  It attempts to do so in a way
> that is compatible with existing implementations.
>
> - It removes the material about "Advertising Multiple Routes to a
> Destination".  This is a feature that was never implemented as
> specified, and the text about it just causes confusion.  The
> functionality that this feature was intended to provide can now be
> better provided by using add-paths; this is discussed in the draft.
>
> - It is explicit about its applicability to SAFI 128 as well as to SAFI 4.
>
> - It clarifies the procedures for withdrawing and replacing label bindings.
>
> - It discusses the relationship between SAFI-1 routes and SAFI-4 routes,
> which is very unclear in RFC3107.  Different implementations have
> treated the SAFI-1/SAFI-4 interactions differently, and the draft
> discusses these differences.  However, as the draft is not intended to
> favor any one implementation over another, it can't do much more than
> point out some of the differences among implementations.
>
> - RFC 3107 provides an encoding that allows BGP to assign multiple
> labels (i.e., a label stack) to a given prefix.  However, it provides no
> semantics for this, and this feature has been only rarely implemented.
> In fact, it is believed that some implementations will not parse the
> Updates correctly if they encode multiple labels in the NLRI.  Therefore
> the draft only allows a label stack to be assigned to a given prefix if
> a new Capability has been exchanged.  It also discusses the semantics of
> assigning a label stack, and gives some examples of how this might be used.
>
> I hope that those of you who are interested in this topic will provide
> your comments.  I've tried to make the draft compatible with existing
> implementations and deployments, so if anyone sees anything that
> negatively impacts an existing implementation, please comment on that.
>
> I also removed most of the text that explains why it is a good idea to
> use BGP to distribute label bindings.  That text was important in the
> '90s, but now seems rather out of date.  However, I would welcome
> comments on whether an updated "motivation/positioning" section should
> be added.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric
>
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Bruno,

Thanks for reviewing the draft!
>> - RFC 3107 provides an encoding that allows BGP to assign multiple labels
> Upfront, the current issue is that implementations, which claim compliance with RFC 3107, are just non-compliant. So the draft is proposing to change the specification to make such implementations compliant, while another option would be to fix implementation (to be compliant with the RFC they claim to support).
I think the best approach is to try to write 3107bis in such a way that 
the existing deployed implementations are compliant to it.
> The main issue I have, is that this draft is not backward compatible with RFC 3107 (as a RFC 3107 speaker will never notice that its peer has not send the new capability, and may still send multiple labels). Plus in case of error due to this incompatibility, the error handling behavior is likely to be "BGP session shutdown" (as the NLRI "cannot" be correctly parsed) which is disruptive. Plus the implementation A not supporting multiple labels, will claim that the implementation B supporting multiple labels is "not compliant" with rfc3107bis, while I would rather argue that this is implementation A which is not compliant with RFC 3107.
Luckily, the existing deployed implementations, as far as I know, do not 
support multiple labels.   If a new implementation were to send multiple 
labels to an old implementation, we would likely experience the 
disruptive behavior you describe.  3107bis tries to prevent this 
disruption.
>
> I'd propose one change:
> - Capability means: I don't support receiving multiple labels, hence you SHOULD not send that to me.
> - Even if the capability is not advertised by both peers, and hence a single label is expected, all implementations MUST check that the "S" bit (in this first label) is set to 1. If the bit is cleared, the Prefix MUST be identified as per RFC 3107/this document and treated as withdraw as defined in RFC 7606.
>
> This means more work for rfc3107bis speakers, but we can't ask existing speakers to do the job. Especially since they were compliant with RFC 3107.
If only a single label is expected, there is no real reason to check the 
S bit.  I'm not sure that all existing implementations actually set the 
S bit, so requiring new implementations to check for it would just 
introduce a possible backwards compatibility problem.
> Plus very minor comments
> - From an editorial standpoint, I'd personally favor removing §2.2 and saying in 2.3(or elsewhere) that if the capability is not exchanged, a single label may be encoded. (IMHO duplicating the text is less easy to read and more error prone. And I believe this would be enough to address your point).
I went back and forth on this issue, and I'd welcome more opinions on 
this from the WG.

You are right that it is generally a bad practice to have so much 
duplicated text in a specification, but I thought the intention would be 
clearer if the encoding for multiple labels were described separately 
from the encoding for single labels.

> - In Figure 2 (§2.3), 2 labels are indicated. Do you think there is a need to indicate which one is the first (Label 1) and which one is the k th (Label k). Indeed, the order of the labels is significant when the router will need to push them in the dataplane. Or a sentence could be added to make this explicit.
This is mentioned in the "Data Plane" section, but I think you're right, it should be mentioned in section 2.3 as well.

> - In §4, there is a possible case which is not described:
> S1 receives L11, L12,... L1k
> S1 sends      L21, L12,... L1k
> S1 programs in the data plane: L21 swap L11
> Compared to sending a single label (L21), S1 avoids having to push k labels in its dataplane, which it may be incapable of.
> - In §4
> "While this may be useful in certain scenarios, it may provide unintended results in other scenarios." I fail to see when this can be useful as N1 or downstream LSR will receive packets with labels there are not aware of (L22...L2k). Out of curiosity, I'm be curious to know the useful scenario that you have in mind.
Actually, I was thinking of the case you just described above, but I wanted to formulate it in a more general way.  For all we know, <L22,...L2k> may be domain-wide unique labels ;-), or S1 may have some other way of knowing L21 will get the packet to a node that will be able to understand  <L22,...L2k>.
> - in §5 " It is possible that a BGP speaker will receive both a SAFI-1 route
>     for prefix P and a SAFI-4 route for prefix P.  The significance of
>     this is a matter of local policy."
> For 6PE (rfc4798), may be this should not be a local policy but be specified as a priori SAFI-1 and SAFI-4 prefix should be comparable. Ideally rfc4798 could have specified this but I haven't check if it's done. Alternatively §5 could reference this case.
> (Same point for propagation between SAFI-1 and SAFI-4)
In 3107bis, I just tried to capture the fact that different implementations handle this differently.  If a particular application needs to mandate a particular behavior, that should be part of the spec for that application.

Eric


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Hi All,

I support this draft.

Regards,
Sudhin

On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:57:06 +0530 Tapraj Singh  wrote
>I support this draft. It improves the stability with the better DF

election algorithm.



Thanks,

Tapraj





On 1/14/16, 7:21 PM, "BESS on behalf of Kishore Tiruveedhula"

 wrote:



>I support this draft. It improves the stability with the better DF

>election algorithm.

>

>Thanks,

>Kishore

>

>

>>

>>On 1/11/16, 1:07 AM, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux"

>>

>>wrote:

>>

>>>Hello working group,

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>>>This email starts a two-week poll on adopting

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Document: draft-ietf-l3vpn-end-system-05
Title: BGP-signaled end-system IP/VPNs
Reviewer: Matt Miller
Review Date: 2016-01-18
IETF Last Call Date: N/A
IESG Telechat Date: N/A

Summary: This draft is not ready for publication as a Proposed
Standard.

Comments:

This draft is making assumptions and design decisions that are not =
really
compatible with XMPP, and these should be resolved before publishing.

It's important to note XMPP is an end-to-end application routing
protocol. Clients are capable of sending data to other clients,
possibly crossing multiple server boundaries.  For example:

 1) client-a@server-1.example -->
 2) server-1.example -->
 3) muc.example -->
 4) server-2.example -->
 5) client-b@server-2.example

This document seems to make the assumption that routing is purely
between a client and its sever, which I believe has lead to design
decisions that are very problematic.

Major Issues: (All of which apply to Section 6. XMPP Signaling
Protocol)

* The addressing scheme for End Systems connecting to the external VPN
Forwarder is not explicitly documented anywhere -- the only instance I
can deduce is from the external VPN forwarded subscription example,
which seems to use a domain JID for the End System.  Without a clear
XMPP addressing scheme, properly routing stanzas across the XMPP
network and mutually authenticating TLS according to RFC 6125 (and
possibly [XEP-0178]) seem problematic to me.

If End Systems are expected to communicate directly with the Route
Server (e.g., End System addresses stanzas to the Route Server, which
the VPN Forwarder is expected to relay), the addressing scheme for all
components needs to be better defined.  For instance, the VPN Forwarder
address in XMPP could be a domain JID as it is, while the End System
address could be a bare JID derived from that VPN Forwarder's JID
(e.g., "end-system@forwarder.example").  This would disambiguate the
XMPP routing across the XMPP network.

However, if VPN Forwarders are to act as proxies for End Systems, then
it should act as a proxy in all cases -- End Systems subscribe to
pubsub nodes on the external VPN Forwarder (which could in turn trigger
a subscribe of the VPN forwarder to the Route Server), and receive
notifications from the VPN Forwarder (which in turn are first received
by the VPN Forwarder from the Route Server).

* Using a hard-coded JID for the Route Server can be a serious problem =
if
there is ever a case where individual Route Servers oversee different
routing information.  If this is never the case, then a single JID for
all Route Servers is probably OK, but I think there could be problems
with properly authenticating the TLS session.  Using a different JID
for each Route Server can introduce some difficulties for End Systems
utilizing external VPN Forwarders, but I think only in the case where
the End System is expected to subscribe to the Route Server directly --
if the End System actually subscribes to the VPN Forwarder, then the
End System already knows the VPN Forwarder's JID and would not need to
determine the Route Server' JID.

Minor Issues: (all apply to Section 6. XMPP Signaling Protocol)

* The XEP-0060 PubSub subscription and unsubscription examples are
incorrect.  Specifically, the 'jid' attribute of the <subscribe/>
element is the subscriber's JID not the pubsub service, and
subscription options are encoded using Data Forms [XEP-0004].

The co-located example then is:

<iq type=3D'set'
    from=3D'forwarder.example'
    to=3D'route-server'
    id=3D'sub1'>
  <pubsub xmlns=3D'http://jabber.org/protocol/pubsub'>
    <subscribe node=3D'vpn-customer-name' jid=3D'forwarder.example'/>
    <options node=3D'vpn-customer-name' jid=3D'forwarder.example'>
      <x xmlns=3D'jabber:x:data' type=3D'submit'>
        <field var=3D'vpn#instance-id'>
          <value>1</value>
        </field>
      </x>
    </options>
  </pubsub>
</iq>


The external example could be the following (if there is a single
addressing scheme):

<iq type=3D'set'
    from=3D'end-system@forwarder.example'
    to=3D'route-server'
    id=3D'sub1'>
  <pubsub xmlns=3D'http://jabber.org/protocol/pubsub'>
    <subscribe node=3D'vpn-customer-name' =
jid=3D'end-system@forwarder.example'/>
    <options node=3D'vpn-customer-name' =
jid=3D'end-system@forwarder.example'>
      <x xmlns=3D'jabber:x:data' type=3D'submit'>
        <field var=3D'vpn#vlan_id'><value>100</value></field>
      </x>
    </options>
  </pubsub>
</iq>


The unsubscribe example is then:

<iq type=3D'set'
    from=3D'forwarder.example'
    to=3D'route-server'
    id=3D'unsub1'>
  <pubsub xmlns=3D'http://jabber.org/protocol/pubsub'>
    <unsubscribe node=3D'vpn-customer-name'
                 jid=3D'forwarder.example' />
  </pubsub>
</iq>


* Requiring pubsub notifications to always go from the Route Server to
the VPN Forwarder regardless of what entity subscribed to the pubsub
node is counter to how XEP-0060 works.  The pubsub subscribe request
specifies where the notifications are supposed to go, and the pubsub
service is expected to honor that.  See above in the addressing
discussion for some ideas of how to deal with this.


Nits:

* (Mostly in Section 6. XMPP Signaling Protocol) The document often
uses the term "message" when discussing XMPP communications. The XMPP
term of art is "stanza" not "message"; "message" has a specific
meaning in XMPP that is not in use here, and can lead to confusion
for readers of this document once they follow the references to
RFC 6120 and the various XEPs.

* In Section 1. Introduction, the use of the term XMPP should be
followed by a reference to RFC 6120.

* In Section 6. XMPP Signaling Protocol, the seventh paragraph
(immediately preceding Figure 1) has an extraneous period (.) at the
end of the last sentence.

* In Section 6. XMPP Signaling Protocol, I understood the meaning of
the following sentence:

    The VPN Forwarder SHOULD use as JID its hostname, when available,
    or an unique IP address within the infrastructure network win its
    string representation.

Regardless of how my XMPP addressing concerns are finally resolved,
please revisit this sentence.


References:

[XEP-0004]: Data Forms < http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0004.html >
[XEP-0030]: Service Discovery < http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0030.html =
>
[XEP-0178]: Best Practices for Use of SASL EXTERNAL with Certificates < =
http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0178.html >


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Hello Working Group,

This email starts a Working Group Last Call on 
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree [1] which is considered mature and ready for 
a final working group review.

Please read the document if you haven't read the most recent version yet 
(-03), and send your comments to the list, no later than *February the 
2nd* (2016-02-02).

This is not only a call for comments on the document, but also a call of 
support for its publication.

*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that 
applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree, to ensure that IPR has been 
disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 
and 5378 for more details).

*If* you are listed as a document author or contributor of 
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[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree


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Support.  I'm not aware of any undisclosed IPR.

Yours Irrespectively,

John

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> Hello Working Group,
>=20
> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree=
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> which is considered mature and ready for a final working group review.
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> Please read the document if you haven't read the most recent version yet =
(-
> 03), and send your comments to the list, no later than *February the
> 2nd* (2016-02-02).
>=20
> This is not only a call for comments on the document, but also a call of
> support for its publication.
>=20
> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that appli=
es to
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
> compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for mo=
re
> details).
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> *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor of draft-ietf-bes=
s-
> evpn-etree please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you a=
re
> aware of any relevant IPR.
>=20
> Thank you,
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All,

the WG LC deadline is now behind us.
I have only seen support for this document.
We will thus proceed with submitting it to IESG.

-m

Le 05/01/2016 15:48, Martin Vigoureux a écrit :
> Hello Working Group,
>
> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
> draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags-01 [1] which is considered mature and ready
> for a final working group review.
>
> Please read the document if you haven't read the most recent
> version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
> *12th of January*.
>
> This is not only a call for comments on the document, but also a call of
> support for its publication.
>
> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
> applies to draft-ietf-bess-multicast-damping, to ensure that IPR has
> been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879,
> 3669 and 5378 for more details).
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> *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor of
> draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags-01 please respond to this email and indicate
> whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
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> Thank you,
> M&T
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> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-pta-flags/
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Working Group,

Thomas and I have reviewed the comments expressed on the list since
our first proposal on the subject.

We consider that there is consensus to put in place the following (which 
is the amended proposal):

At the same time we will issue a Working Group Last Call, we will ask
for knowledge of existing implementations, and the more details provided
at that time, the better.
In the situation where an implementation exists we will proceed with
submission to IESG.
In the opposite situation, we will systematically ask the WG for 
reasoned opinions regarding whether we should nevertheless proceed
with submission to IESG.
We will gauge consensus on that aspect. In case consensus is in favour
of proceeding with submission to IESG we will do so. In the opposite
case, we will put the document in a "Waiting for implementation" state
until information on an existing implementation is brought to our
knowledge or of the WG.

This is effective from now on.

Thank you

Martin and Thomas


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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 7734

        Title:      Support for Shortest Path Bridging 
                    MAC Mode over Ethernet VPN (EVPN) 
        Author:     D. Allan, Ed., J. Tantsura,
                    D. Fedyk, A. Sajassi
        Status:     Standards Track
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       January 2016
        Mailbox:    david.i.allan@ericsson.com, 
                    jeff.tantsura@ericsson.com, 
                    don.fedyk@hpe.com, 
                    sajassi@cisco.com
        Pages:      11
        Characters: 23512
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-bess-spbm-evpn-02.txt

        URL:        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7734

        DOI:        http://dx.doi.org/10.17487/RFC7734

This document describes how Ethernet Shortest Path Bridging MAC mode
(SPBM) can be combined with Ethernet VPN (EVPN) to interwork with
Provider Backbone Bridging Provider Edges (PBB PEs) as
described in the PBB-EVPN solution (RFC 7623).  This is achieved via
operational isolation of each Ethernet network attached to an EVPN core
while supporting full interworking between the different variations
of Ethernet networks.

This document is a product of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF.

This is now a Proposed Standard.

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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 7740

        Title:      Simulating Partial Mesh of Multipoint-to-Multipoint 
                    (MP2MP) Provider Tunnels with Ingress Replication 
        Author:     Z. Zhang, Y. Rekhter, A. Dolganow
        Status:     Standards Track
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       January 2016
        Mailbox:    zzhang@juniper.net, 
                    andrew.dolganow@alcatel-lucent.com
        Pages:      8
        Characters: 18252
        Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:   None

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-bidir-ingress-replication-04.txt

        URL:        https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7740

        DOI:        http://dx.doi.org/10.17487/RFC7740

RFC 6513 ("Multicast in MPLS/BGP IP VPNs") describes a method to
support bidirectional customer multicast flows using a partial mesh
of Multipoint-to-Multipoint (MP2MP) tunnels.  This document specifies
how a partial mesh of MP2MP tunnels can be simulated using Ingress
Replication.  This solution enables a service provider to use Ingress
Replication to offer transparent bidirectional multicast service to
its VPN customers.

This document is a product of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF.

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Same here

Thanks,

Sami

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> On Jan 24, 2016, at 6:47 AM, Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE) <wim.henderickx@=
nokia.com> wrote:
>=20
> Support, since this enhances the DF election for EVPN
>=20
> On 1/11/16, 1:07 AM, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux" <bess-bounces@ie=
tf.org on behalf of martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hello working group,
>=20
> This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
> draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election-02 [1] as a working group item.
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> Please state on the list if you support adoption or not (in the both=20
> cases, please also state the reasons).
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> This poll runs until *the 25th of January*.
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> Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this document.
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> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
> applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
> compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
> and 5378 for more details).
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> =3D=3D> *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor please
> respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any=20
> relevant IPR.
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> The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from
> each author and contributor.
>=20
> If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please=20
> explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet=20
> been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
>=20
> Thank you,
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> Martin & Thomas
> bess chairs
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> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election/
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> From: "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" <wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com>
> Date: Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 10:28 PM
> To: smohanty mohanty <satyamoh@cisco.com>
> Subject: Re: Regd. DF Election Notes
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> Here you go
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> From: "Satya Mohanty (satyamoh)"
> Date: Sunday 26 July 2015 08:07
> To: Wim Henderickx
> Subject: Regd. DF Election Notes
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> Hi Wim,
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> Good to talk to you at the airport.
> I am following up on the request to please send me the writeup regarding t=
he various service models sec 6.1 =E2=80=93 6.3.
> About 2-3 years back you had circulated such a dic.
> Best would be if you=E2=80=99ve examples.
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> --Satya
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<div>On 1/11/16, 1:07 AM, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux" &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org">bess-bounces@ietf.org</a>&nbsp;on behalf of&n=
bsp;<a href=3D"mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com">martin.vigoureux@=
alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<div><br>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">Hello work=
ing group,</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">This email=
 starts a two-week poll on adopting</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">draft-moha=
nty-bess-evpn-df-election-02 [1] as a working group item.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">Please sta=
te on the list if you support adoption or not (in the both&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">cases, ple=
ase also state the reasons).</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">This poll r=
uns until *the 25th of January*.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">Currently n=
o IPR has been disclosed against this document.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">*Coinciden=
tally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">applies to=
 this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">compliance=
 with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">and 5378 f=
or more details).</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">=3D=3D&gt;=
 *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor please</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">respond to=
 this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">relevant I=
PR.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">The draft w=
ill not be adopted until a response has been received from</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">each autho=
r and contributor.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">If you are=
 not listed as an author or contributor, then please&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">explicitly=
 respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet&nbsp;</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">been discl=
osed in conformance with IETF rules.</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">Thank you,=
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">Martin &am=
p; Thomas</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">bess chair=
s</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">[1]&nbsp;<=
a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-electi=
on/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election/</=
a></div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;"><br>
</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">__________=
_____________________________________</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">BESS maili=
ng list</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;"><a href=3D=
"mailto:BESS@ietf.org">BESS@ietf.org</a></div>
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</blockquote>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>"Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com">wim.henderickx@alcatel-lu=
cent.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 10:=
28 PM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>smohanty mohanty &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:satyamoh@cisco.com">satyamoh@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: Regd. DF Election Notes=
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family:=
 Calibri, sans-serif;">
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<div>Here you go</div>
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri; font-size:12pt; text-align:left; color:bl=
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RDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>"Satya Mohanty (satyamoh)"<br>=

<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Sunday 26 July 2015 08:07<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>Wim Henderickx<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Regd. DF Election Notes<br>=

</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-=
break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family:=
 Calibri, sans-serif; ">
<div>Hi Wim,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Good to talk to you at the airport.</div>
<div>I am following up on the request to please send me the writeup regardin=
g the various service models sec 6.1 =E2=80=93 6.3.</div>
<div>About 2-3 years back you had circulated such a dic.</div>
<div>Best would be if you=E2=80=99ve examples.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>--Satya</div>
</div>
</div>
</span></div>
</div>
</blockquote>
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Support publication of this document as a co-author and I am not aware of
any IPR that hasn=B9t been disclosed.

Cheers,
Ali

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>Hello Working Group,
>
>This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
>draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree [1] which is considered mature and ready for
>a final working group review.
>
>Please read the document if you haven't read the most recent version yet
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>2nd* (2016-02-02).
>
>This is not only a call for comments on the document, but also a call of
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>*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
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>disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
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Support

Thanks,
Luay

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Hello Working Group,

This email starts a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree
[1] which is considered mature and ready for a final working group review.

Please read the document if you haven't read the most recent version yet
(-03), and send your comments to the list, no later than *February the
2nd* (2016-02-02).

This is not only a call for comments on the document, but also a call of
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+1

Thanks,
Wen

From: BESS <bess-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com<mailto:wim.hend=
erickx@nokia.com>>
Date: Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 9:47 AM
To: "bess@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>" <bess@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.o=
rg>>
Subject: Re: [bess] Regd. DF Election Notes

Support, since this enhances the DF election for EVPN

On 1/11/16, 1:07 AM, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux" <bess-bounces@iet=
f.org<mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of martin.vigoureux@alcatel-l=
ucent.com<mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com>> wrote:

Hello working group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election-02 [1] as a working group item.

Please state on the list if you support adoption or not (in the both
cases, please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until *the 25th of January*.

Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this document.

*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
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and 5378 for more details).

=3D=3D> *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor please
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Thank you,

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From: "Henderickx, Wim (Wim)" <wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com<mailto:wim=
.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com>>
Date: Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 10:28 PM
To: smohanty mohanty <satyamoh@cisco.com<mailto:satyamoh@cisco.com>>
Subject: Re: Regd. DF Election Notes

Here you go

From: "Satya Mohanty (satyamoh)"
Date: Sunday 26 July 2015 08:07
To: Wim Henderickx
Subject: Regd. DF Election Notes

Hi Wim,

Good to talk to you at the airport.
I am following up on the request to please send me the writeup regarding th=
e various service models sec 6.1 - 6.3.
About 2-3 years back you had circulated such a dic.
Best would be if you've examples.

Thanks,
--Satya

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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:be=
ss-bounces@ietf.org">bess-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of &quot;Hende=
rickx, Wim (Nokia - BE)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.co=
m">wim.henderickx@nokia.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Sunday, January 24, 2016 at 9=
:47 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ie=
tf.org">bess@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org">bess@i=
etf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [bess] Regd. DF Electi=
on Notes<br>
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t;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org">bess-bounces@ietf.org</a>&nbsp;o=
n behalf of&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:martin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com">mar=
tin.vigoureux@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;"><br>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">Please st=
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ease also state the reasons).</div>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">This poll=
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<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;"><br>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">Currently=
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</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">*Coincide=
ntally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">applies t=
o this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">complianc=
e with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669</div>
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for more details).</div>
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or and contributor.</div>
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y respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet&nbsp;</div>
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losed in conformance with IETF rules.</div>
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</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">Thank you=
,</div>
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mp; Thomas</div>
<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">bess chai=
rs</div>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Consolas, monospace; font-size: 12px;">[1]&nbsp;=
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tion/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election=
/</a></div>
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______________________________________</div>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>&quot;Henderickx, Wim (Wim)&q=
uot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wim.henderickx@alcatel-lucent.com">wim.henderick=
x@alcatel-lucent.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Saturday, July 25, 2015 at 10=
:28 PM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>smohanty mohanty &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:satyamoh@cisco.com">satyamoh@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: Regd. DF Election Note=
s<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div>Here you go</div>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>&quot;Satya Mohanty (satyamoh=
)&quot;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Sunday 26 July 2015 08:07<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>Wim Henderickx<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Regd. DF Election Notes<br=
>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line=
-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-famil=
y: Calibri, sans-serif; ">
<div>Hi Wim,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Good to talk to you at the airport.</div>
<div>I am following up on the request to please send me the writeup regardi=
ng the various service models sec 6.1 &#8211; 6.3.</div>
<div>About 2-3 years back you had circulated such a dic.</div>
<div>Best would be if you&#8217;ve examples.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>--Satya</div>
</div>
</div>
</span></div>
</div>
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Fully support as a co-author. I am not aware of any un-disclosed IPR.

Thanks,
Wen

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>Hello Working Group,
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>This email starts a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree
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Fully support as co-author, no IRP that I am aware of.

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Fully support as a co-author. I am not aware of any un-disclosed IPR.

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Wen

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>
>Hello Working Group,
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Support as co-author. I'm not aware of any IPR beyond what has already
been disclosed.

Thanks,
Samer


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>On 1/19/16, 12:51 AM, "BESS on behalf of thomas.morin@orange.com"
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>>Hello Working Group,
>>
>>This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
>>draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree [1] which is considered mature and ready for
>>a final working group review.
>>
>>Please read the document if you haven't read the most recent version yet
>>(-03), and send your comments to the list, no later than *February the
>>2nd* (2016-02-02).
>>
>>This is not only a call for comments on the document, but also a call of
>>support for its publication.
>>
>>*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
>>applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree, to ensure that IPR has been
>>disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
>>and 5378 for more details).
>>
>>*If* you are listed as a document author or contributor of
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>>whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
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>>Thank you,
>>
>>Thomas/Martin
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>>[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree
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Mach,

Thank you very much for the review. Please see zzh> below.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mach Chen
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 3:18 AM
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> Subject: [bess] Shepherd review on draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-01
>=20
> Hi Authors,
>=20
> I am requested (by the WG chairs) to shepherd this draft, here are my
> shepherd review comments on this document.
>=20
>=20
> 1. To make the document more readable, expect for the well-known
> abbreviations, there are a lot of abbreviations (e.g., MVRF, I-/S-PMSI,
> etc.) that should be expanded when first use.

Zzh> Will do.

>=20
> 2. Abstract and introduction section
>=20
> s/ multicast in MPLS/BGP-based Layer-3 VPN (MVPN)/ Multicast in BGP/MPLS
> in IP VPN (MVPN),  to align with the definition in RFC6513

Zzh> will do.

>=20
> 3.
> Section 2.1
>=20
>    - mvpnIpmsiTable/Entry
>=20
>      This table contains all advertised or received intra-as I-PMSIs.
>      With PIM-MVPN, it is applicable only when BGP-Based Autodiscovery
>      of MVPN Membership is used.
>=20
>    - mvpnInterAsIpmsiTable/Entry
>=20
>      This table contains all advertised or received inter-as I-PMSIs.
>      With PIM-MVPN, it is applicable only when BGP-Based Autodiscovery
>      of MVPN Membership is used.
> 1) For each table, why is there a "/Entry" followed?  To avoid confusion,
> I'd suggest to remove them if there is no special intention or meaning.

Zzh> It is meant to say that xxxEntry are xxxTable are associated and their=
 usage is explained in the paragraphs. I will remove the "/Entry"

>=20
> 2 )In addition, from the above text, I have the feeling that a
> mvpnIpmsiTable or mvpnInterAsIpmsiTable can only contain advertised or
> received I-PMSIs, but cannot contain both. Is this the intention?

Zzh> Both. I'll change "or" to "and".

>=20
>=20
> 4. Section 2.2, the LAST-UPDATED, ORGANIZATION, CONTACT-INFO and the
> Revision history should be updated to reflect the latest status.

Zzh> I had expected this to be updated at the last moment (e.g. at publicat=
ion), but I am not sure. Will do whatever is the right procedure.

>=20
> 5. mvpnMvrfNumber OBJECT-TYPE
>      SYNTAX        Unsigned32
>      MAX-ACCESS    read-only
>      STATUS        current
>      DESCRIPTION
>          "The total number of MVRFs for IPv4 or IPv6 or mLDP
>           C-Multicast that are present in this device."
>=20
> Should the "or" be changed to "and"?

Zzh> It's for any of those types. Someone said we should use "or". I am ope=
n to suggestions.

>=20
> 6.
> There are several places in draft say the following or similar:
> "An entry in this table is created for every MVRF in the device."
> I'd suggest to replace the "every" as "each".

Zzh> Will do.

>=20
> 7.
> Page 10:
> mvpnGenCmcastRouteProtocol OBJECT-TYPE
>      SYNTAX        INTEGER { pim (1),
>                              bgp (2)
>                            }
>      MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>      STATUS        current
>      DESCRIPTION
>          "Protocol used to signal C-multicast states across the
>           provider core.
>=20
> s/ Protocol /The protocol is

Zzh> Will do.

>=20
> 8.
> Page 13:
> mvpnBgpGenVrfRtImport OBJECT-TYPE
>      SYNTAX             MplsL3VpnRouteDistinguisher
>      MAX-ACCESS         read-write
>      STATUS             current
>      DESCRIPTION
>          "The VRF Route Import Extended Community that this device
>           adds to unicast vpn routes that it advertises for this mvpn."
>      ::=3D { mvpnBgpGeneralEntry 2}
>=20
>   mvpnBgpGenSrcAs      OBJECT-TYPE
>      SYNTAX            Unsigned32
>      MAX-ACCESS        read-only
>      STATUS            current
>      DESCRIPTION
>          "The Source AS number in Source AS Extended Community that this
>           device adds to the unicast vpn routes that it advertises for
>           this mvpn."
>=20
> Why should the "Source", "Extended", and "Community" be upper case? If
> there is no special intention, suggest to change to lower case. You may
> need to look through the whole document to do a text clean up.

Zzh> That's per RFC 6513.

>=20
> 9.
> Section 3, Security consideration.
>=20
> Given that the document introduces some read-write objects, I don't think
> that the current statement of "This document does not introduce new
> security risks." will pass the IESG review. I'd suggest the authors to
> enhance the security consideration section. For the mib security
> consideration, you may refer to some existing mid documents (e.g,
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-id-mib-11) that have
> already passed the IESG review. Also, you may refer to some history
> discussions on a mib security consideration (e.g.,
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-oam-mib/history/ ).

Zzh> This seems to be no different from CLI configuration/monitoring? But I=
 will study those past discussions.

>=20
> 10.Please make sure that the MIB Modules are compiled cleanly.

Zzh> I did use http://www.simpleweb.org/ietf/mibs/validate/. Did you notice=
 any problem?

>=20
> 11. BTW, I saw the WG chairs had issued the IPR poll, and only Jeffery
> replied, to progress this draft, the authors and contributors have to
> respond to the IPR poll.

Zzh> Working on that.

>=20
>=20
> Happy Holidays!

Zzh> Thanks! Part of the reason for this late response :-)

Jeffrey

>=20
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> Mach
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Mach,

Thank you very much for the review. Please see zzh> below.

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>=20
> Hi Authors,
>=20
> I am requested (by the WG chairs) to shepherd this draft, here are my
> shepherd review comments on this document.
>=20
>=20
> 1. Idnits tool shows:
>   ** There are 4 instances of too long lines in the document, the longest
> one
>      being 3 characters in excess of 72.

Zzh> will try to address that. I intended to cut & paste text from some exi=
sting RFCs.

>=20
> 2. Expand the unwell-known abbreviations when first use.

Zzh> Will do.

>=20
> 2. Abstract says:
> "This memo defines an experimental portion of the Management
>    Information Base for use with network management protocols in the
>    Internet community."
>=20
> But the intended status of this document is "Standards Track", what's the
> real intention?

Zzh> Will change to "standard".

>=20
> 3. From the title, the document is to define mibs for L2 and L3 Multicast
> VPNs, it's better to define and scope what are L2 multicast VPN and L3
> multicast VPN.
> And the draft uses "Multicast in VPN" to identify MVPN, it
> seems not accurate. It's better to use the consistent definition and
> description for MVPN through the whole document IMHO.

Zzh> The Introduction section makes it clear that the scope is for VPLS and=
 (IP) VPN Multicast. As I just alluded to in the previous sentence, I'll us=
e "IP VPN" for L3 case. Is that ok?

>=20
> 4. Section 4,
> The LAST-UPDATED, ORGANIZATION, CONTACT-INFO and the Revision history
> should be updated to reflect the latest status.

Zzh> I had expected to update this at the final step of publication. Will f=
ollow appropriate advice.

>=20
> 5. Page 5,
>=20
> This document defines the following flags:
>=20
>        + Leaf Information Required (L)"
>=20
> s/+ Leaf Information Required (L)"/ Leaf Information Required (L)"

Zzh> The text is quoting RFC 6514, " 5.  PMSI Tunnel Attribute". Having sai=
d that, I'll just remove the quote and simply say it's the flag field in th=
e PMSI Tunnel Attribute, because other flags could be defined in other spec=
ifications.

>=20
> 6.
> Section 5.  Security Considerations
>    "N/A"
>=20
> The same issue as the MVPN mib, please enhance it.

Zzh> Will research.

>=20
> 7. Please make sure that the MIB Modules are compiled cleanly.

Zzh> Please let me know if you've noticed any issue.

Thanks!
Jeffrey

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> Best regards,
> Mach


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Hi Jeffery,

Some responses inline...

Snipped.

> >
> > 5. mvpnMvrfNumber OBJECT-TYPE
> >      SYNTAX        Unsigned32
> >      MAX-ACCESS    read-only
> >      STATUS        current
> >      DESCRIPTION
> >          "The total number of MVRFs for IPv4 or IPv6 or mLDP
> >           C-Multicast that are present in this device."
> >
> > Should the "or" be changed to "and"?
>=20
> Zzh> It's for any of those types. Someone said we should use "or". I am o=
pen to
> suggestions.

If the mvpnMvrfNumber is designed to be the number of each type of the VRFs=
, then "or" should be used and it's better to add some clarification text h=
ere. Otherwise, "and" should be used. When I read the mib, it gives my feel=
ing that mvpnMvrfNumber is the number of all MVRFs.=20

> > 8.
> > Page 13:
> > mvpnBgpGenVrfRtImport OBJECT-TYPE
> >      SYNTAX             MplsL3VpnRouteDistinguisher
> >      MAX-ACCESS         read-write
> >      STATUS             current
> >      DESCRIPTION
> >          "The VRF Route Import Extended Community that this device
> >           adds to unicast vpn routes that it advertises for this mvpn."
> >      ::=3D { mvpnBgpGeneralEntry 2}
> >
> >   mvpnBgpGenSrcAs      OBJECT-TYPE
> >      SYNTAX            Unsigned32
> >      MAX-ACCESS        read-only
> >      STATUS            current
> >      DESCRIPTION
> >          "The Source AS number in Source AS Extended Community that
> this
> >           device adds to the unicast vpn routes that it advertises for
> >           this mvpn."
> >
> > Why should the "Source", "Extended", and "Community" be upper case? If
> > there is no special intention, suggest to change to lower case. You
> > may need to look through the whole document to do a text clean up.
>=20
> Zzh> That's per RFC 6513.

If that's the case, I'm fine with it.

>=20
> >
> > 9.
> > Section 3, Security consideration.
> >
> > Given that the document introduces some read-write objects, I don't
> > think that the current statement of "This document does not introduce
> > new security risks." will pass the IESG review. I'd suggest the
> > authors to enhance the security consideration section. For the mib
> > security consideration, you may refer to some existing mid documents
> > (e.g,
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mpls-tp-oam-id-mib-11) that
> > have already passed the IESG review. Also, you may refer to some
> > history discussions on a mib security consideration (e.g.,
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-oam-mib/history/ ).
>=20
> Zzh> This seems to be no different from CLI configuration/monitoring? But=
 I will
> study those past discussions.

Please do so and update the security consideration section.

>=20
> >
> > 10.Please make sure that the MIB Modules are compiled cleanly.
>=20
> Zzh> I did use http://www.simpleweb.org/ietf/mibs/validate/. Did you noti=
ce
> any problem?

I did not run any validation, if you did, that's great.

Once you update the document, we can start the MIB doctor review.=20

Best regards,
Mach


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Hi Jeffery,

Some responses inline...

>=20
> >
> > 3. From the title, the document is to define mibs for L2 and L3
> > Multicast VPNs, it's better to define and scope what are L2 multicast
> > VPN and L3 multicast VPN.
> > And the draft uses "Multicast in VPN" to identify MVPN, it seems not
> > accurate. It's better to use the consistent definition and description
> > for MVPN through the whole document IMHO.
>=20
> Zzh> The Introduction section makes it clear that the scope is for VPLS a=
nd (IP)
> VPN Multicast. As I just alluded to in the previous sentence, I'll use "I=
P VPN" for
> L3 case. Is that ok?

According to RFC6513, Multicast in BGP/MPLS in IP VPN is called MVPN, you m=
ay take a look at RFC6513 and try to align the terms with it.

>=20
> >
> > 4. Section 4,
> > The LAST-UPDATED, ORGANIZATION, CONTACT-INFO and the Revision history
> > should be updated to reflect the latest status.
>=20
> Zzh> I had expected to update this at the final step of publication. Will=
 follow
> appropriate advice.
>=20
> >
> > 5. Page 5,
> >
> > This document defines the following flags:
> >
> >        + Leaf Information Required (L)"
> >
> > s/+ Leaf Information Required (L)"/ Leaf Information Required (L)"
>=20
> Zzh> The text is quoting RFC 6514, " 5.  PMSI Tunnel Attribute". Having s=
aid
> that, I'll just remove the quote and simply say it's the flag field in th=
e PMSI
> Tunnel Attribute, because other flags could be defined in other specifica=
tions.

OK.

> >
> > 6.
> > Section 5.  Security Considerations
> >    "N/A"
> >
> > The same issue as the MVPN mib, please enhance it.
>=20
> Zzh> Will research.

Sure, please.

>=20
> >
> > 7. Please make sure that the MIB Modules are compiled cleanly.
>=20
> Zzh> Please let me know if you've noticed any issue.

No.

Once the document updated, we can start the MIB doctor review.

Best regards,
Mach

>=20
> Thanks!
> Jeffrey
>=20
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Mach


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Hi Eric,=20

Thanks for writing this draft, it provides useful clarifications and update=
s for RFC 3107.=20

After reading the draft, I have some comments:

1. For NLRI encoding with single label, this draft says that "the S bit MUS=
T be set to one on transmission". IMO RFC 3107 does not mandate this, and a=
s you said some existing implementations may not set the S bit. To ensure b=
ackward compatibility, maybe the requirement on setting the S bit can be re=
laxed.

2. For NLRI encoding with multiple labels, I guess the beginning of the pre=
fix field is identified based on the S bit of the last label. If a malforme=
d NLRI is received, in which the S bit of the last label is not set, then t=
he prefix cannot be recognized, and the treat-as-withdraw error handling is=
 not applicable. This may be worth mentioned in the draft.=20

3. Section 2.5 describes implicit withdrawn and load balancing in detail. O=
ne possible issue here is it seems that the same next hop is required for t=
he routes in Update U1 and U2. While section 9 of RFC 4271 specifies:

   "...if the NLRI of the new route is identical to the one the route curre=
ntly has stored in the Adj-RIB-In, then the new route SHALL replace the old=
er route in the Adj-RIB-In, thus implicitly withdrawing the older route fro=
m service."

Thus same next hop is not required for implicit withdrawn. This also applie=
s to the load balancing case with Add_Path, in which the 2 paths used for l=
oad balancing may have different next hops.

Best regards,
Jie

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Eric C Rosen
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 2:11 AM
> To: idr@ietf.org; BESS <bess@ietf.org>; mpls@ietf.org
> Subject: [bess] draft-rosen-idr-rfc3107bis-00
>=20
> Folks,
>=20
> Pardon the cross-post, but I think this may be of interest to all three o=
f
> the IDR, MPLS, and BESS WGs.
>=20
> I've posted draft-rosen-idr-rfc3107bis-00 ("Using BGP to Bind MPLS Labels
> to Address Prefixes"), which is intended of course to obsolete RFC 3107
> ("Carrying Label Information in BGP").  (While I put "idr" in the name of
> the draft, it's not completely obvious which WG should own this draft
> (assuming it progresses)).
>=20
> The purpose of this draft is the following:
>=20
> - It fixes a number of errors in RFC3107.  It attempts to do so in a way
> that is compatible with existing implementations.
>=20
> - It removes the material about "Advertising Multiple Routes to a
> Destination".  This is a feature that was never implemented as specified,
> and the text about it just causes confusion.  The functionality that this
> feature was intended to provide can now be better provided by using
> add-paths; this is discussed in the draft.
>=20
> - It is explicit about its applicability to SAFI 128 as well as to SAFI 4=
.
>=20
> - It clarifies the procedures for withdrawing and replacing label binding=
s.
>=20
> - It discusses the relationship between SAFI-1 routes and SAFI-4 routes,
> which is very unclear in RFC3107.  Different implementations have
> treated the SAFI-1/SAFI-4 interactions differently, and the draft discuss=
es
> these differences.  However, as the draft is not intended to favor any on=
e
> implementation over another, it can't do much more than point out some
> of the differences among implementations.
>=20
> - RFC 3107 provides an encoding that allows BGP to assign multiple labels
> (i.e., a label stack) to a given prefix.  However, it provides no semanti=
cs
> for this, and this feature has been only rarely implemented.
> In fact, it is believed that some implementations will not parse the
> Updates correctly if they encode multiple labels in the NLRI.  Therefore
> the draft only allows a label stack to be assigned to a given prefix if a=
 new
> Capability has been exchanged.  It also discusses the semantics of
> assigning a label stack, and gives some examples of how this might be
> used.
>=20
> I hope that those of you who are interested in this topic will provide yo=
ur
> comments.  I've tried to make the draft compatible with existing
> implementations and deployments, so if anyone sees anything that
> negatively impacts an existing implementation, please comment on that.
>=20
> I also removed most of the text that explains why it is a good idea to us=
e
> BGP to distribute label bindings.  That text was important in the '90s, b=
ut
> now seems rather out of date.  However, I would welcome comments on
> whether an updated "motivation/positioning" section should be added.
>=20
> Thanks,
>=20
> Eric
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Hello working group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
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WG,

there is good support for the document and all authors have declared 
that they are not aware of any IPR that relates to this draft.
So we have a new WG document

Authors please resubmit as

draft-ietf-bess-evpn-df-election-00

thank you
-m


Le 11/01/2016 10:07, Martin Vigoureux a écrit :
> Hello working group,
>
> This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
> draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election-02 [1] as a working group item.
>
> Please state on the list if you support adoption or not (in the both
> cases, please also state the reasons).
>
> This poll runs until *the 25th of January*.
>
> Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this document.
>
> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
> applies to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in
> compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
> and 5378 for more details).
>
> ==> *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor please
> respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any
> relevant IPR.
>
> The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from
> each author and contributor.
>
> If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please
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> been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.
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> Thank you,
>
> Martin & Thomas
> bess chairs
>
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mohanty-bess-evpn-df-election/
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Changed milestone "Submit specification for extranet support in
multicast VPNs to IESG as PS", resolved as "Done", added
draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-extranet to milestone, removed
draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-extranet from milestone.

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interoperability to IESG as PS", resolved as "Done", added
draft-ietf-bess-spbm-evpn to milestone, removed
draft-ietf-l2vpn-spbm-evpn from milestone.

URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/bess/charter/


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Changed milestone "Submit specifications for PBB/E-VPN
interoperability to IESG as PS", resolved as "Done".

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> Hello working group,
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Support as co-author.
Not aware of any IPR
Thanks,
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Subject: [bess] Poll for adoption: draft-rabadan-bess-evpn-optimized-ir-02

Hello working group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-rabadan-bess-evpn-optimized-ir-02 [1] as a working group item.

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or not (=
in the later case, please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until **February 9th**.


*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies=
 to this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IE=
TF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).

=3D=3D> *If* you are listed as a document author or contributor please resp=
ond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevant=
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Thank you Sue for your review and your follow-up, and even proposing 
some new text. Much appreciated.

Authors, this is an example of a very dense document. I understand that 
the MPLS VPN + BGP + Multicast can get complex, but it's difficult to 
extract the deployment considerations out of these 60 pages.
There are some operational paragraph from time to time.

I agree with Sue when she mentions: "The whole draft is a set of rules 
for handling policy, BGP A-D routes, tunnel set-up, and PIM Join/leaves 
in the case of an intra net.  Unless these rules are followed exactly, 
traffic may flow into a VPN it is not suppose to."
This document doesn't give an operator â€œso-whatâ€ for deployment in 60 
pages. You know, a few summary paragraphs that indicates where this 
specification is useful and where it is not for operators, and the 
potential fragility of the solution (which could be in a new operational 
consideration section or in the security considerations. I don't think 
I've seen text around coordination to set up filter, for example.

Sue has been trying to be helpful and even proposed some text:

    Whenever a VPN is provisioned, there is a risk that provisioning
    errors will result in an unintended cross-connection of VPNs, which
    would create a security problem for the customers.  Extranet can be
    particularly tricky, as it intentionally cross-connects VPNs, but in
    a manner that is intended to be strictly limited by policy.  If one
    is connecting two VPNs that have overlapping address spaces, one has
    to be sure that the inter-VPN traffic isn't to/from the part of the
    address space that is in the overlap.  The draft discusses a lot of
    the corner cases, and a lot of the scenarios in which things can go
    wrong.


Regards, Benoit
> On to version -06 ...
>
> On 12/23/2015 10:13 AM, Susan Hares wrote:
>>
>> Sections which must be added to clear my concerns
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *4.4.1 Extranet Source Extended Community *
>>
>>    To facilitate this, we define a new Transitive Opaque Extended  
>> Community, the "Extranet Source" Extended Community.
>>
>>    The value field of this extended community is all zeros.
>>
>> *Restrictions: *This value field MUST be set  to zero upon 
>> origination,  MUST be ignored upon reception and MUST  be passed 
>> unchanged by intermediate routers.
>>
>> *Additional Restrictions: *A Route Reflector MUST NOT add/remove the 
>> Extranet Source Extended  Community from the VPN-IP routes reflected 
>> by  the Route Reflector,  including the case where VPN-IP routes 
>> received via IBGP are reflected to EBGP peers (inter-AS option (c), 
>> see [RFC6513]   Section 10).
>>
>
> The draft has the following text in section 4.4.1 ("The Extranet 
> Source Extended Community"):
>
> "The value field of the Extended Community MUST be set to zero. "
>
> "A PE router that interprets this Extended Community MUST ignore the 
> contents of the value field."
>
> and the following text in section 4.4.2 ("Distribution of Extranet 
> Source Extended Community"):
>
>    "A Route Reflector MUST NOT add or remove the Extranet Source 
> Extended Community from the VPN-IP routes reflected by the Route 
> Reflector, including the case where VPN-IP routes received via IBGP 
> are reflected to EBGP peers (inter-AS option (c), see [RFC6513] 
> Section 10).  The value of the Extended Community MUST NOT be changed 
> by the route reflector."
>
>    "When re-advertising VPN-IP routes, ASBRs MUST NOT add/remove the 
> Extranet Source Extended Community from these routes.  This includes 
> inter-AS options (b) and (c) (see [RFC6513] Section 10).  The value of 
> the Extended Community MUST NOT be changed by the ASBRs."
>
> It seems to me that this contains the information you have requested.  
> It may not be in the format you prefer, but I think it goes beyond the 
> scope of an ops-dir review (or an IESG Discuss) to demand format changes.
>>
>> *4.4.2 Extranet Separation Extended community *
>>
>> **
>>
>> We define a new Transitive Opaque Extended Community, the "Extranet  
>> Separation" Extended Community.  This Extended Community is used 
>> only  when extranet separation is being used.
>>
>> *Restrictions:*  Its value field MUST be set to zero upon 
>> origination, MUST be ignored upon reception, and MUST be
>>
>>    passed unchanged by intermediate routers.
>>
>> *  Restrictions on Adding/deleting this community:*  ??  (Eric â€“ 
>> please add something here).
>>
> The draft now contains the following text in section 4.5 ("The 
> Extranet Separation Extended Community"):
>
> "We define a new Transitive Opaque Extended Community, the "Extranet 
> Separation" Extended Community (see [RFC4360], [RFC7153], and Section 
> 9 of this document).  This Extended Community is used only when 
> extranet separation is being used. Its value field MUST be set to zero 
> upon origination, MUST be ignored upon reception, and MUST be passed 
> unchanged by intermediate routers.  A Route Reflector MUST NOT add or 
> remove the Extranet Separation Extended Community from the routes it 
> reflects, including the case where routes received via IBGP are 
> reflected to EBGP peers (inter-AS option (c), see [RFC6513] Section 10)."
>
> It seems to me that this contains the information you have requested.
>
>> *Comments that could be put in a Security section: *
>>
>> **
>>
>> Whenever a VPN is provisioned, there is a risk that provisioning 
>> errors will result in an unintended cross-connection of VPNs, which 
>> would create a security problem for the customers.  Extranet can be 
>> particularly tricky, as it intentionally cross-connects VPNs, but in 
>> a manner that is intended to be strictly limited by policy.
>>
> The Security Considerations section already contains the following text:
>
>  "As is the case with any application of technology based upon 
> [RFC4364], misconfiguration of the RTs may result in VPN security 
> violations (i.e., may result in a packet being delivered to a VPN 
> where, according to policy, it is not supposed to go)."
>
> I don't think the above requested text really adds anything, it's just 
> saying the same thing over again.
>>
>> If one is connecting two VPNs that have overlapping address spaces, 
>> one has to be sure that the inter-VPN traffic isn't to/from the part 
>> of the address space that is in the overlap.  The draft discusses a 
>> lot of the corner cases, and a lot of the scenarios in which things 
>> can go wrong.
>>
> The difficulty of dealing with overlapping address spaces when 
> connecting two VPNs is already discussed extensively throughout the 
> document.  I don't see that the requested paragraph adds anything of 
> substance.
>


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thank you Sue for your review and your
      follow-up, and even proposing some new text. Much appreciated.<br>
      <br>
      Authors, this is an example of a very dense document. I understand
      that the MPLS VPN + BGP + Multicast can get complex, but it's
      difficult to extract the deployment considerations out of these 60
      pages. <br>
      There are some operational paragraph from time to time. <br>
      <pre class="newpage">
</pre>
      I agree with Sue when she mentions: "The whole draft is a set of
      rules for handling policy, BGP A-D routes, tunnel set-up, and PIM
      Join/leaves in the case of an intra net.Â  Unless these rules are
      followed exactly, traffic may flow into a VPN it is not suppose
      to."<br>
      This document doesn't give an operator â€œso-whatâ€ for deployment in
      60 pages. You know, a few summary paragraphs that indicates where
      this specification is useful and where it is not for operators,
      and the potential fragility of the solution (which could be in a
      new operational consideration section or in the security
      considerations. I don't think I've seen text around coordination
      to set up filter, for example.<br>
      <br>
      Sue has been trying to be helpful and even proposed some text:<br>
      <blockquote>Whenever a VPN is provisioned, there is a risk that
        provisioning errors will result in an unintended
        cross-connection of VPNs, which would create a security problem
        for the customers.Â  Extranet can be particularly tricky, as it
        intentionally cross-connects VPNs, but in a manner that is
        intended to be strictly limited by policy.Â  If one is connecting
        two VPNs that have overlapping address spaces, one has to be
        sure that the inter-VPN traffic isn't to/from the part of the
        address space that is in the overlap.Â  The draft discusses a lot
        of the corner cases, and a lot of the scenarios in which things
        can go wrong.Â  <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      Regards, Benoit</div>
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        <div class="WordSection1"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Sections
              which must be added to clear my concerns <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">----------------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText"><b>4.4.1 Extranet Source Extended
              Community <o:p></o:p></b></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText">Â Â  To facilitate this, we define a new
            Transitive Opaque ExtendedÂ  Community, the "Extranet Source"
            Extended Community. <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText">Â Â Â The value field of this extended
            community is all zeros.Â Â Â  <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText">Â <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"><b>Restrictions:

            </b>This value field MUST be setÂ  to zero upon origination,
            Â MUST be ignored upon reception and MUSTÂ  be passed
            unchanged by intermediate routers.Â  <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">Â <b>Additional

              Restrictions: Â </b>A Route Reflector MUST NOT add/remove
            the Extranet Source ExtendedÂ  Community from the VPN-IP
            routes reflected byÂ  the Route Reflector,Â  including the
            case where VPN-IP routes received via IBGP are reflected to
            EBGP peers (inter-AS option (c), see [RFC6513]Â Â  Section
            10).</p>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      The draft has the following text in section 4.4.1 ("The Extranet
      Source Extended Community"):<br>
      <br>
      Â Â  <tt>"The value field of the Extended Community MUST be set to
        zero. "</tt><tt><br>
      </tt><tt><br>
      </tt><tt>Â  </tt><tt>"A PE router that interprets this Extended
        Community MUST ignore the contents of the value field."</tt><br>
      <br>
      and the following text in section 4.4.2 ("Distribution of Extranet
      Source Extended Community"):<br>
      <br>
      Â Â  "<tt>A Route Reflector MUST NOT add or remove the Extranet
        Source Extended Community from the VPN-IP routes reflected by
        the Route Reflector, including the case where VPN-IP routes
        received via IBGP are reflected to EBGP peers (inter-AS option
        (c), see [RFC6513] Section 10).Â  The value of the Extended
        Community MUST NOT be changed by the route reflector."</tt><tt><br>
      </tt><tt><br>
      </tt><tt>Â Â  "When re-advertising VPN-IP routes, ASBRs MUST NOT
        add/remove the Extranet Source Extended Community from these
        routes.Â  This includes inter-AS options (b) and (c) (see
        [RFC6513] Section 10).Â  The value of the Extended Community MUST
        NOT be changed by the ASBRs."</tt><br>
      <br>
      It seems to me that this contains the information you have
      requested.Â  It may not be in the format you prefer, but I think it
      goes beyond the scope of an ops-dir review (or an IESG Discuss) to
      demand format changes.<br>
      <blockquote cite="mid:000d01d13d94$80868a10$81939e30$@ndzh.com"
        type="cite">
        <div class="WordSection1">
          <p class="MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText"><b>4.4.2 Extranet Separation Extended
              community <o:p></o:p></b></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText"><b><o:p>Â </o:p></b></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText">We define a new Transitive Opaque
            Extended Community, the "ExtranetÂ  Separation" Extended
            Community.Â  This Extended Community is used onlyÂ  when
            extranet separation is being used.Â  <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText">Â Â  <b>Restrictions:</b> Â Its value
            field MUST be set to zero upon origination, MUST be ignored
            upon reception, and MUST be<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText">Â Â  passed unchanged by intermediate
            routers.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p>Â </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText"><b>Â  Restrictions on Adding/deleting
              this community:</b>Â  ??Â  (Eric â€“ please add something
            here). </p>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      The draft now contains the following text in section 4.5 ("The
      Extranet Separation Extended Community"):<br>
      <br>
      Â Â  <tt>"We define a new Transitive Opaque Extended Community, the
        "Extranet Separation" Extended Community (see [RFC4360],
        [RFC7153], and Section 9 of this document).Â  This Extended
        Community is used only when extranet separation is being used.Â 
        Its value field MUST be set to zero upon origination, MUST be
        ignored upon reception, and MUST be passed unchanged by
        intermediate routers.Â  A Route Reflector MUST NOT add or remove
        the Extranet Separation Extended Community from the routes it
        reflects, including the case where routes received via IBGP are
        reflected to EBGP peers (inter-AS option (c), see [RFC6513]
        Section 10)."</tt><br>
      <br>
      It seems to me that this contains the information you have
      requested.<br>
      <br>
      <blockquote cite="mid:000d01d13d94$80868a10$81939e30$@ndzh.com"
        type="cite">
        <div class="WordSection1">
          <p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText"><b>Comments that could be put in a
              Security section: <o:p></o:p></b></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText"><b><o:p>Â </o:p></b></p>
          <p class="MsoPlainText">Whenever a VPN is provisioned, there
            is a risk that provisioning errors will result in an
            unintended cross-connection of VPNs, which would create a
            security problem for the customers.Â  Extranet can be
            particularly tricky, as it intentionally cross-connects
            VPNs, but in a manner that is intended to be strictly
            limited by policy.</p>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      The Security Considerations section already contains the following
      text:<br>
      <br>
      <tt>Â "As is the case with any application of technology based upon
        [RFC4364], misconfiguration of the RTs may result in VPN
        security violations (i.e., may result in a packet being
        delivered to a VPN where, according to policy, it is not
        supposed to go)." <br>
        <br>
      </tt>I don't think the above requested text really adds anything,
      it's just saying the same thing over again.<br>
      <blockquote cite="mid:000d01d13d94$80868a10$81939e30$@ndzh.com"
        type="cite">
        <div class="WordSection1">
          <p class="MsoPlainText"> If one is connecting two VPNs that
            have overlapping address spaces, one has to be sure that the
            inter-VPN traffic isn't to/from the part of the address
            space that is in the overlap.Â  The draft discusses a lot of
            the corner cases, and a lot of the scenarios in which things
            can go wrong. Â <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p>Â </o:p></span></p>
        </div>
      </blockquote>
      The difficulty of dealing with overlapping address spaces when
      connecting two VPNs is already discussed extensively throughout
      the document.Â  I don't see that the requested paragraph adds
      anything of substance.<br>
      <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
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On 1/27/2016 4:37 AM, Benoit Claise wrote:
>
> This document doesn't give an operator â€œso-whatâ€ for deployment in 60 
> pages.
I'm afraid I don't understand this sentence.

> You know, a few summary paragraphs that indicates where this 
> specification is useful and where it is not for operators, and the 
> potential fragility of the solution (which could be in a new 
> operational consideration section or in the security considerations.
As I've been trying to explain to Sue, I don't understand what is being 
asked for in these "few summary paragraphs".   An "operator's guide to 
provisioning extranets" would be useful, but not within the scope of 
this draft.

The security considerations section already points out that 
misconfiguration of the Route Targets may result in misdelivery of 
traffic; the above text is merely a paraphrase of material that is 
already present in the document.

Note that there is no requirement to have a separate "operational 
considerations" section.

> I don't think I've seen text around coordination to set up filter, for 
> example.
Coordination to set up filters?  I don't know what you are referring to.

>
> Sue has been trying to be helpful and even proposed some text:
>
>     Whenever a VPN is provisioned, there is a risk that provisioning
>     errors will result in an unintended cross-connection of VPNs,
>     which would create a security problem for the customers.  Extranet
>     can be particularly tricky, as it intentionally cross-connects
>     VPNs, but in a manner that is intended to be strictly limited by
>     policy.  If one is connecting two VPNs that have overlapping
>     address spaces, one has to be sure that the inter-VPN traffic
>     isn't to/from the part of the address space that is in the
>     overlap. The draft discusses a lot of the corner cases, and a lot
>     of the scenarios in which things can go wrong.
>

Actually, I wrote that text in an email to Sue.  Although it too is just 
a paraphrase of existing materiaI, I could add it to the "overview" 
section as part of the description of what an extranet is.   Are you 
saying that you will lift the DISCUSS if I just add that paragraph?




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    On 1/27/2016 4:37 AM, Benoit Claise wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> This document doesn't give an
        operator â€œso-whatâ€ for deployment in 60 pages. </div>
    </blockquote>
    I'm afraid I don't understand this sentence.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:56A88FE9.7000505@cisco.com" type="cite">
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">You know, a few summary paragraphs
        that indicates where this specification is useful and where it
        is not for operators, and the potential fragility of the
        solution (which could be in a new operational consideration
        section or in the security considerations. </div>
    </blockquote>
    As I've been trying to explain to Sue, I don't understand what is
    being asked for in these "few summary paragraphs".Â Â  An "operator's
    guide to provisioning extranets" would be useful, but not within the
    scope of this draft. <br>
    <br>
    The security considerations section already points out that
    misconfiguration of the Route Targets may result in misdelivery of
    traffic; the above text is merely a paraphrase of material that is
    already present in the document. <br>
    <br>
    Note that there is no requirement to have a separate "operational
    considerations" section. <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:56A88FE9.7000505@cisco.com" type="cite">
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I don't think I've seen text around
        coordination to set up filter, for example.<br>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Coordination to set up filters?Â  I don't know what you are referring
    to.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:56A88FE9.7000505@cisco.com" type="cite">
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix"> <br>
        Sue has been trying to be helpful and even proposed some text:<br>
        <blockquote>Whenever a VPN is provisioned, there is a risk that
          provisioning errors will result in an unintended
          cross-connection of VPNs, which would create a security
          problem for the customers.Â  Extranet can be particularly
          tricky, as it intentionally cross-connects VPNs, but in a
          manner that is intended to be strictly limited by policy.Â  If
          one is connecting two VPNs that have overlapping address
          spaces, one has to be sure that the inter-VPN traffic isn't
          to/from the part of the address space that is in the overlap.Â 
          The draft discusses a lot of the corner cases, and a lot of
          the scenarios in which things can go wrong.Â  <br>
        </blockquote>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Actually, I wrote that text in an email to Sue.Â  Although it too is
    just a paraphrase of existing materiaI, I could add it to the
    "overview" section as part of the description of what an extranet
    is.Â Â  Are you saying that you will lift the DISCUSS if I just add
    that paragraph?Â  <br>
    <br>
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I was involved in relevant discussions, and have reviewed once more for thi=
s LC.

I support the publication, but with the following questions/comments.

2.1 Scenario 1: Leaf OR Root site(s) per PE

   ... If the number of EVIs is very large
   (e.g., more than 32K or 64K), then RT type 0 as defined in [RFC4360]
   SHOULD be used; otherwise, RT type 2 is sufficient.

RFC 7153 should be referenced for "Type 2".

Additionally, why is 32K mentioned? I can understand the 64k part.

   ... the MPLS-encapsulated frames MUST be tagged with an
   indication of whether they originated from a Leaf AC or not.

Perhaps change the last line to "indication if they originated from a Leaf =
AC"? Packets from a root AC are not tagged with a leaf indication.

   Other mechanisms for identifying whether an egress AC is a root or
   leaf is beyond the scope of this document.

Should "egress" be "ingress" in the above paragraph? Or simply removed?

   ... This Leaf MPLS label is advertised to other PE devices,
   using a new EVPN Extended Community called E-TREE Extended Community
   (section 5.1) along with an Ethernet A-D per ES route with ESI of
   zero and a set of Route Targets (RTs) corresponding to all the leaf
   ACs on the PE.

Perhaps change the last sentence to "... corresponding to all EVIs that hav=
e leaf sites on the PE."

3.2.3 BUM traffic originated from a multi-homed site on a leaf AC

   In this scenario, it is assumed that a multi-homed Ethernet Segment
   (ES) can have a mixed of both leaf and root ACs with each AC
   designating a subnet (e.g., a VLAN).

I understand that different VLANs on the same ES could be roots or leaves. =
I suppose it's more important to say that for the same vlan, different PEs =
on the same ES must have the same root/leaf designation.

Perhaps the first sentence could be reworded as the following to capture th=
e above point:

   While different ACs (VLANs) on the same ES could have different
   root/leaf designation (some being roots and some being leaves),
   the same VLAN does have the same root/leaf designation on all
   PEs on the same ES.

For the following:

   ... the PEs with Leaf sites perform MAC learning in the
   data-path over their Ethernet Segments, and advertise reachability in
   EVPN MAC Advertisement routes which are imported only by PEs with at
   least one Root site in the EVI. A PE with only Leaf sites will not
   import these routes. PEs with Root and/or Leaf sites may use the
   Ethernet A-D routes for aliasing (in the case of multi-homed
   segments) and for mass MAC withdrawal per [RFC 7432].

The above seems to contradict with the recommendation in Section 2.2. If th=
e context is the scenario described in section 2.1 then that's fine, but th=
e text does not have a clear context.


3.3.2 E-Tree without MAC Learning

   The PEs implementing an E-Tree service need not perform MAC learning
   when the traffic flows between Root and Leaf sites are multicast or
   broadcast.

I suppose an "only" word should be added at the end of the above sentence.=
=20

   The fields of the IMET route are populated per the procedures defined
   in [RFC7432], and the route import rules are as described in previous
   sections.

The route import rules described in previous sections are for MAC routes, n=
ot IMET routes. Additionally, those rules may not be recommended, so might =
as well delete the last sentence.

Section 3.3.1 talks about BUM procedures. That is not specific to 3.3.1 tho=
ugh. Perhaps extract that out to a separate section, and remove the BUM tex=
t from 3.3.2 as well.

   The E-TREE Extended Community is encoded as an 8-octet value as
   follows:


        0                   1                   2                   3
        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
       | Type=3D0x06     | Sub-Type=3D0x04 | Flags(1 Octet)|               =
|
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
       |  Reserved=3D0   |           Leaf Label                          |
       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

I assume the octect after the flags octet is also reserved=3D0. Better mark=
 it as "Reserved=3D0".

When it is used with Ethernet A-D per ES route, the leaf flag SHOULD be set=
 to 0 but ignored by the receiving routers. Therefore, why not set it to 1 =
to be consistent the MAC/IP route case?

Thanks.
Jeffrey

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Thanks for reviewing the draft!

On 1/26/2016 2:47 AM, Dongjie (Jimmy) wrote:
> 1. For NLRI encoding with single label, this draft says that "the S bit MUST be set to one on transmission". IMO RFC 3107 does not mandate this, and as you said some existing implementations may not set the S bit. To ensure backward compatibility, maybe the requirement on setting the S bit can be relaxed.
RFC3107 does allow the NLRI to contain multiple labels, but the only way 
you can tell how many labels there are is by looking for the S bit.  So 
I think the setting of the S bit really is required by RFC 3107, even 
though the RFC doesn't make that very clear.

I believe that some implementations check for the S bit and some do 
not.  I also believe that most implementations set the S bit, but I'm 
not sure if all do.  Thus I think the strategy of "set the S bit on 
transmission but ignore it on reception" is most likely to result in 
multi-vendor interoperability.

This does mean that an old implementation that doesn't set the S bit 
would be non-compliant with 3107bis.  However, it would interoperate 
with compliant implementations, and that's what really matters.

I didn't want to say "SHOULD set the S bit", because that leaves it open 
for new implementations to leave the S bit unset, and that might result 
in interoperability problems with older implementations that do check 
for the S bit.
>
> 2. For NLRI encoding with multiple labels, I guess the beginning of the prefix field is identified based on the S bit of the last label. If a malformed NLRI is received, in which the S bit of the last label is not set, then the prefix cannot be recognized, and the treat-as-withdraw error handling is not applicable. This may be worth mentioned in the draft.
Excellent point.  I'll add something about this, with a reference to 
section 3j of RFC 7606.
>
> 3. Section 2.5 describes implicit withdrawn and load balancing in detail. One possible issue here is it seems that the same next hop is required for the routes in Update U1 and U2. While section 9 of RFC 4271 specifies:
>
>     "...if the NLRI of the new route is identical to the one the route currently has stored in the Adj-RIB-In, then the new route SHALL replace the older route in the Adj-RIB-In, thus implicitly withdrawing the older route from service."
>
> Thus same next hop is not required for implicit withdrawn. This also applies to the load balancing case with Add_Path, in which the 2 paths used for load balancing may have different next hops.
Section 2.5 is intended to address only the case where the next hop 
doesn't change.  When the next hop does change, the procedures from RFC 
4271 apply as usual.  I'll try to make this clear.


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Support as co-author. IETF should adopt this use-case -- optimized
multi-destination forwarding for overlays where multicast support is not
available in the underlay. I am not aware of any related IPR.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:12 AM Thomas Morin <thomas.morin@orange.com>
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<div style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">Support as co-author.  IETF should adop=
t this use-case -- optimized multi-destination forwarding for overlays wher=
e multicast support is not available in the underlay. I am not aware of any=
 related IPR.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, =
Jan 26, 2016 at 12:12 AM Thomas Morin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.morin@or=
ange.com">thomas.morin@orange.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
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<br>
This email starts a two-week poll on adopting<br>
draft-rabadan-bess-evpn-optimized-ir-02 [1] as a working group item.<br>
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Support as co-author. A solution without percolating multicast forwarding s=
tate on every device in the core or edge is very desirable. Not aware of an=
y IPR.

- Ravi Shekhar.

On Jan 31, 2016 8:48 AM, Aldrin Isaac <aldrin.isaac@gmail.com> wrote:
Support as co-author. IETF should adopt this use-case -- optimized multi-de=
stination forwarding for overlays where multicast support is not available =
in the underlay. I am not aware of any related IPR.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:12 AM Thomas Morin <thomas.morin@orange.com<mail=
to:thomas.morin@orange.com>> wrote:
Hello working group,

This email starts a two-week poll on adopting
draft-rabadan-bess-evpn-optimized-ir-02 [1] as a working group item.

Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or
not (in the later case, please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until **February 9th**.


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Thanks. This has already been noted and IANA section has been updated
accordingly.

Cheers,
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On 1/26/16, 11:04 AM, "BESS on behalf of Poorna Pushkala B"
<bess-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of poorna@juniper.net> wrote:

>Hi
>
>In section 5.1 of version 3 of the draft, the subtype is mentioned as
>=B30x05=B2, whereas the figure below shows it as =B30x04=B2.
>Can the authors kindly fix it? Thanks.
>
>Regards
>Poorna
>
>
>5.1=20
><https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-03#section-5.1>
>E-TREE Extended Community
>
>   This Extended Community is a new transitive Extended Community having
>   a Type field value of 0x06 (EVPN) and the Sub-Type 0x05.
>
>
>        0                   1                   2                   3
>        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       | Type=3D0x06     | Sub-Type=3D0x04 | Flags(1 Octet)|              =
 |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |  Reserved=3D0   |           Leaf Label                          |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>
>
>
>
>On 1/25/16, 9:46 AM, "Wen Lin" <wlin@juniper.net> wrote:
>
>>Fully support as a co-author. I am not aware of any un-disclosed IPR.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Wen
>>
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Hi Jeffrey,

Thanks for the review. Your comments helps tighten the draft some more. I
have updated the draft and will publish it next (rev04). Majority of the
comments were editorial in nature for better clarifications. Since the
existing draft (rev03) reflects the consensus regarding our several rounds
of discussions where we have taken care of the technical items, it is
consistent with our expectation of not seeing any major issue during the
LC. Please refer to my replies in line.

Cheers,
Ali
=20

On 1/27/16, 5:26 PM, "BESS on behalf of Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang"
<bess-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of zzhang@juniper.net> wrote:

>I was involved in relevant discussions, and have reviewed once more for
>this LC.
>
>I support the publication, but with the following questions/comments.
>
>2.1 Scenario 1: Leaf OR Root site(s) per PE
>
>   ... If the number of EVIs is very large
>   (e.g., more than 32K or 64K), then RT type 0 as defined in [RFC4360]
>   SHOULD be used; otherwise, RT type 2 is sufficient.
>
>RFC 7153 should be referenced for "Type 2".


Done.

>
>Additionally, why is 32K mentioned? I can understand the 64k part.

Removed 32K since the example is clear enough with 64K

>
>   ... the MPLS-encapsulated frames MUST be tagged with an
>   indication of whether they originated from a Leaf AC or not.
>
>Perhaps change the last line to "indication if they originated from a
>Leaf AC"? Packets from a root AC are not tagged with a leaf indication.

OK. Better yet. It should say =B3indication when they originated from a lea=
f
AC=B2.

>
>   Other mechanisms for identifying whether an egress AC is a root or
>   leaf is beyond the scope of this document.
>
>Should "egress" be "ingress" in the above paragraph? Or simply removed?

Nice catch! It is =B3ingress=B2. It is now corrected.

>
>   ... This Leaf MPLS label is advertised to other PE devices,
>   using a new EVPN Extended Community called E-TREE Extended Community
>   (section 5.1) along with an Ethernet A-D per ES route with ESI of
>   zero and a set of Route Targets (RTs) corresponding to all the leaf
>   ACs on the PE.
>
>Perhaps change the last sentence to "... corresponding to all EVIs that
>have leaf sites on the PE."

The second to last sentence of section 3.2.1 says the same thing. I
changed this sentence and removed the 2nd to last sentence.

>
>3.2.3 BUM traffic originated from a multi-homed site on a leaf AC
>
>   In this scenario, it is assumed that a multi-homed Ethernet Segment
>   (ES) can have a mixed of both leaf and root ACs with each AC
>   designating a subnet (e.g., a VLAN).
>
>I understand that different VLANs on the same ES could be roots or
>leaves. I suppose it's more important to say that for the same vlan,
>different PEs on the same ES must have the same root/leaf designation.

That=B9s given.

>
>Perhaps the first sentence could be reworded as the following to capture
>the above point:
>
>   While different ACs (VLANs) on the same ES could have different
>   root/leaf designation (some being roots and some being leaves),
>   the same VLAN does have the same root/leaf designation on all
>   PEs on the same ES.

That=B9s fine. It makes it more clear.

>
>For the following:
>
>   ... the PEs with Leaf sites perform MAC learning in the
>   data-path over their Ethernet Segments, and advertise reachability in
>   EVPN MAC Advertisement routes which are imported only by PEs with at
>   least one Root site in the EVI. A PE with only Leaf sites will not
>   import these routes. PEs with Root and/or Leaf sites may use the
>   Ethernet A-D routes for aliasing (in the case of multi-homed
>   segments) and for mass MAC withdrawal per [RFC 7432].
>
>The above seems to contradict with the recommendation in Section 2.2. If
>the context is the scenario described in section 2.1 then that's fine,
>but the text does not have a clear context.

Agreed. Updated the section to indicate the context is section 2.1.

>
>
>3.3.2 E-Tree without MAC Learning
>
>   The PEs implementing an E-Tree service need not perform MAC learning
>   when the traffic flows between Root and Leaf sites are multicast or
>   broadcast.
>
>I suppose an "only" word should be added at the end of the above sentence.

Agreed.

>=20
>
>   The fields of the IMET route are populated per the procedures defined
>   in [RFC7432], and the route import rules are as described in previous
>   sections.
>
>The route import rules described in previous sections are for MAC routes,
>not IMET routes. Additionally, those rules may not be recommended, so
>might as well delete the last sentence.

Changed the last sentence to =B3=8A, and the multicast tunnel setup criteri=
a
are as described in the previous section.=B2

>
>Section 3.3.1 talks about BUM procedures. That is not specific to 3.3.1
>though. Perhaps extract that out to a separate section, and remove the
>BUM text from 3.3.2 as well.

I think it is OK.

>
>   The E-TREE Extended Community is encoded as an 8-octet value as
>   follows:
>
>
>        0                   1                   2                   3
>        0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       | Type=3D0x06     | Sub-Type=3D0x04 | Flags(1 Octet)|              =
 |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>       |  Reserved=3D0   |           Leaf Label                          |
>       +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
>
>I assume the octect after the flags octet is also reserved=3D0. Better mar=
k
>it as "Reserved=3D0".

Agreed.

>
>When it is used with Ethernet A-D per ES route, the leaf flag SHOULD be
>set to 0 but ignored by the receiving routers. Therefore, why not set it
>to 1 to be consistent the MAC/IP route case?

Because the flag is used for known unicast traffic and Leaf label for BUM
traffic. We don=B9t want to mix the two.

Cheers,
Ali=20

>
>Thanks.
>Jeffrey
>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled Services Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : E-TREE Support in EVPN & PBB-EVPN
        Authors         : Ali Sajassi
                          Samer Salam
                          Sami Boutros
                          Jim Uttaro
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-04.txt
	Pages           : 16
	Date            : 2016-01-31

Abstract:
   The Metro Ethernet Forum (MEF) has defined a rooted-multipoint
   Ethernet service known as Ethernet Tree (E-Tree).  [ETREE-FMWK]
   proposes a solution framework for supporting this service in MPLS
   networks. This document discusses how those functional requirements
   can be easily met with (PBB-)EVPN and how (PBB-)EVPN offers a more
   efficient implementation of these functions.



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