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Hi Glenn,

Thanks for the reviews on the other mvpn-related MIB 
(draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-03).

We would like to have an idea of what is the progress around this draft.
Do you know when you could do a review of the revision posted in early 
March ?

Thanks in advance,

-Thomas


2017-03-01, Hiroshi Tsunoda:
> Dear Glenn,
> 
> I posted a new revision MVPN-MIB document.
> This revision addresses mainly editorial parts of your comments.
> Although so many TBDs have remained, I hope that this becomes
> the re-starting point to finalize this document.
> 
> URL:
> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-03.txt
> Status:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib/
> Htmlized:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-03
> Diff:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-03
> 
> Please see some notes below.
> 
>> 1.  Abstract:
>> 1.1 Please give the full expansion of MPLS/BGP
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>> 1.2 "In particular, it describes managed objects to configure and/or
>>      monitor Multicast in MPLS/BGP IP VPNs (MVPN) on a router."
>>     Is this for any router or, a "Provider Edge" router ?
>>     Please fix accordingly.
> 
> This point will be fixed in the next revision.
> 
>> 2.  Introduction
>> 2.1 PE - appears first time. Please give the full expansion.
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>> 2.2 Is the protocol for "exchanging VPN multicast" or
>>      "exchanging VPN multicast states"? Please fix appropriately.
> 
> "exchanging VPN multicast states" is correct. Fixed.
> 
>> 2.3 The expression "standard MIB" in the following is confusing:
>>     "This document defines a standard MIB for MVPN-specific
>>     objects that are generic to both PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN."
>>     Is there any special significance in the "standard" above?
>>     If no, then please drop the word.
> 
> Fixed. I dropped the word "standard".
> 
>>     Are the objects "generic" to PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN or "common"
>>     to  PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN ? Please change accordingly.
> 
> This point will be fixed in the next revision.
> 
>> 2.4 Please give the full expansion of the abbreviations occuring
>>      for the first time in the document. (MPLS, L3VPN).
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>> 2.5 The terminology section is a bit terse. Explaining the terms
>>     that are used, with reference to the protocol documents will
>>     improve readability.
>>     e.g.
>>      - MVPN, PE, PMSI/tunnels,
>>      - C-multicast routing exchange protocol (PIM or BGP),
>>        C-multicast states
>>      - I-PMSI, S-PMSI, provider tunnels
> 
> Partially fixed. I will give more detailed explanation in the next revision.
> 
>> 3.  MVPN MIB.
>>     This gives the overview of the MVPN MIB.
>>     The MIB module aims to provide "configuring and/or monitoring"
>>
>> 3.1 In
>>      "This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs on PE
>>      devices: the whole multicast VPN machinery....."
>>     "the whole multicast VPN machinery" is very difficult to define.
>>     Please use precisely defined terms.
>> 3.2 In "To represent them,...."
>>     "them" seems ambiguous, please clarify.
> 
> These points will be fixed in the next revision.
> 
>> 3.3 The diagram needs some explanation.
>>     What do the boxes represent? Tables ? The labels are meant to be
>>     table names ? The table names do not match the labels.
>>     What do the arrows signify? Please explain.
> 
> Partially fixed. Each box represents a table defined in this document.
> I fixed the labels in the boxes.
> 
> More detailed explanation will be added in the next revision.
> 
>> 3.4 The short explanation of the tables could be augmented with some
>>     information on what they represent and an idea of how they will
>>     be used. ( RFC 4382 provides a good example).
> 
> These points will be fixed in the next revision.
> 
>> MIB definitions:
>> 4. MIB syntax checking:
>>    smilint -s -e -l 5 mibs/MCAST-VPN-MIB 2>MCAST-VPN-MIB.txt
> 
> I fixed the most of the warnings except for "index-exceeds-too-large".
> I think the restructuring of the MIB module may be required in order to
> fix "index-exceeds-too-large".  Thus, I will need more time to work on this.
> 
>> 5. IMPORTS clause
>>     MIB modules from which items are imported must be cited and included
>>    in the normative references.
>>    The conventional style is
>>      mplsStdMIB
>>         FROM MPLS-TC-STD-MIB                            -- [RFC3811]
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>> 6. Please update the MODULE-IDENTITY. (There are no syntantic errors.)
>> 6.1 'ORGANIZATION "IETF Layer-3 Virtual Private
>>                   Networks Working Group."'
>>     needs to be fixed to
>>     'ORGANIZATION "IETF BESS Working Group."'
>>     or something more appropriate.
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>> 6.2 CONTACT-INFO
>>     Following the conventions (including indentation style) will
>>     improve the readability. (e.g. RFC4382, RFC5132).
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>> 6.2 REVISION clause: follow the convention of RFC4131 sec 4.5
>>           REVISION    "200212132358Z"  -- December 13, 2002
>>           DESCRIPTION "Initial version, published as RFC yyyy."
>>    -- RFC Ed.: replace yyyy with actual RFC number & remove this note:
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>> 6.3 OID assignment: follow the convention of RFC4131 sec 4.5
>>     replace
>>           ::= { experimental 99 } -- number to be assigned
>>     by
>>           ::= { <subtree> XXX }
>>    -- RFC Ed.: replace XXX with IANA-assigned number & remove this note
>>    <subtree> will be the subtree under which the module will be
>>    registered.
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>> 7. Wherever possible, please provide references for objects used in the
>>     MIB. The references will point to specific sections/sub-sections of
>>     RFCs defining the protocol for which the MIB is being designed.
> 
> This will be addressed in the next revision.
> 
>> 8. MOs.
>> 8.1 Scalar Objects: The name mvpnMvrfNumber may be misleading.
>>     I would recommend the usage of the same naming style
>>     as RFC 4382 e.g. mvpnMvrfs, mvpnV4Mvrfs, mvpnV6Mvrfs (instead of
>>     mvpnMvrfNumber, mvpnMvrfNumberV4, mvpnMvrfNumberV6, ...) unless
>>     there is some good reason to not do it.
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>> 8.2 mvpnMvrfNumber OBJECT-TYPE
>>        SYNTAX         Unsigned32
>>        DESCRIPTION
>>            "The total number of MVRFs that are present on this device,
>>             whether for IPv4, IPv6, or mLDP C-Multicast."
>>     o Please make the description precise. E.g. if it is the sum of
>>       IPv4 MVRFs, IPv6 MVRFs and mLDP C-Multicast MVRFs state it
>>       explicitly.
>>     o The expression "present on this device" is used.
>>       Does "present" imply "configured" MVRFs or "active" MVRFs.
>>       If it is number of active MVRFs then one would expect that
>>       the number will vary (increase or decrease). If that is the
>>       case:
>>       replace
>>        SYNTAX        Unsigned32
>>       by
>>        SYNTAX        Gauge32
> 
> Partially fixed. I replaced Unsigned32 by Gauge32.
> I will try to update description in the next revision.
> 
>> 8.3 For all the following scalars:
>>                             mvpnMvrfNumber
>>                             mvpnMvrfNumberV4
>>                             mvpnMvrfNumberV6
>>                             mvpnMvrfNumberPimV4
>>                             mvpnMvrfNumberPimV6
>>                             mvpnMvrfNumberBgpV4
>>                             mvpnMvrfNumberBgpV6
>>                             mvpnMvrfNumberMldp
>>     same comments as 8.2.
> 
> Name and SYNTAX of these scalars were fixed.
> Description will be fixed in the next revision.
> 
>> 8.4 mvpnGenAddressFamily OBJECT-TYPE
>>        DESCRIPTION
>>            "The Address Fammily that this entry is for"
>>      s/Fammily/Family/
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>> 8.5 mvpnGenOperStatusChange OBJECT-TYPE
>>         SYNTAX      INTEGER { createdMvrf(1),
>>                               deletedMvrf(2),
>>                               modifiedMvrfIpmsiConfig(3),
>>                              modifiedMvrfSpmsiConfig(4)
>>                             }
>>        DESCRIPTION
>>            "This object describes the last operational change that
>>     o The name does not look right. From the SYNTAX and the DESCRIPTION
>>       it appears that this is about config or MVRF change rather than
>>       "OperStatus" change. Please check and fix.
>>     o Please confirm that the values in the row itself will not be changed
>>       after creation. ( you do not have a 'modifiedMvrfConfig')
> 
> This will be addressed in the next revision.
> 
>> 8.6 mvpnGenCmcastRouteProtocol OBJECT-TYPE
>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>>        ::= { mvpnGeneralEntry 4 }
>>     o You cannot have MAX-ACCESS    read-write for a row that may be
>>       dynamically created.
>>       Replace
>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>>       by
>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-create
>>       if you want to dynamically change that value, otherwise,
>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-only
>>       will suffice.
> 
> This will be addressed in the next revision.
> 
>> 8.8 mvpnGenIpmsiConfig OBJECT-TYPE
>>         DESCRIPTION
>>            "This points to a row in mvpnPmsiConfigTable,
>>             for I-PMSI configuration."
>>     o Please specify the expected behaviour when it is not an I-PMSI
>> 8.9 mvpnGenInterAsPmsiConfig
>>     o same comment as above
> 
> These will be addressed in the next revision.
> 
>> 8.10 mvpnGenRowStatus
>>     mvpnGenRowStatus OBJECT-TYPE
>>        SYNTAX        RowStatus
>>        DESCRIPTION
>>            "This is used to create or delete a row in this table."
>>     o The description is inadequate for an implementor (and
>>       others too).
>>     o You must have a mvpnGenRowStorageType or the DESCRIPTION of
>>       mvpnGenRowStatus must indicate what will happen to the row
>>       after an agent restart
> 
> I will try to address this comment in the next revision.
> 
>> 9. Similar comments (8.1 ~ 8.10) for the remaining tables in the MIB
>>     Particularly 8.10 for the RowStatus type objects
>>                          mvpnGenRowStatus
>>                         mvpnPmsiConfigRowStatus
>>                         mvpnSpmsiConfigRowStatus.
>>    Please check and fix.
> 
> I will try to address this comment in the next revision.
> 
>> 10. mvpnMvrfChange NOTIFICATION-TYPE
>>         OBJECTS     {
>>                      mvpnGenOperStatusChange
>>                    }
>>        ::= { mvpnNotifications 2 }
>>
>>     o should be  { mvpnNotifications 1 }
>>     o Include the MOs that the administrator/manager may want to
>>       see in OBJECTS.
> 
> The first comment is addressed, the second one is TBD.
> 
>> 11. The Security Considerations section does not follow the Security
>>      Guidelines for IETF MIB Modules
>>      http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/mib-security.
> 
> I rewrite this part according to the guideline described in RFC4181 Sec.3.4.
> However, there are some TBDs in this part that should be updated according
> to the update in the main body of MIB module.
> 
> 
>> 12.  COMPLIANCE.
>> 12.1 You seem to mandate MAX-ACCESS read-write/read-create for
>>       compliance. Is this intended? Configuration capability MUST be
>>       supported?  Please note that sec 2.  MVPN MIB says
>>       "This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs ..."
>>      The current compliance requirement contradicts the above claim.
>>      Please check and fix.
>>
>>      It is general and sound practice to allow for MAX-ACCESS
>>      read-only compliance. Some implementations may support
>>      monitoring but not configuration.
>>      Please check and fix.
> 
> This will be addressed in the next reivision.
> 
>> General nits:
>> 13.1  Page-1  s/an portion/a portion/
>> 13.2  Page-1  s/we'll/we will/
>> 13.3  Page-5  s/ mvpnSpmsiTable\/Etnry/mvpnSpmsiTable/
>>          I think that the "/Entry" was removed from similar titles
>>          in the earlier draft as adivised by the document shepherd.
>>          This one should be removed too.
>> 13.4 ID-nits:
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>> 14. There is another WIP L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB in the WG.
>>      Is there a good reason for not merging the 2 documents?
>>      Some clarification or pointers will be helpful.
> 
> In my understanding, L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB is designed for both
> L2VPN multicast and L3VPN multicast, but MVPN-MIB is designed
> only for L3VPN multicast. I think this is a reason why there are
> two separate documents.
> 
> -- tsuno
> 
> 2016-06-07 0:44 GMT+09:00 Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>:
>> Mach, Glenn,
>>
>> I've addressed most of the comments from Glenn on the l2l3 mvpn mib and had started on addressing some comments on mvpn mib, but I've been side tracked and am making very slow progress.
>>
>> I will try to pick it up again soon.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Jeffrey
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mach Chen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 3:30 AM
>>> To: Glenn Mansfield Keeni <glenn@cysols.com>; Benoit Claise
>>> <bclaise@cisco.com>; EXT - thomas.morin@orange.com
>>> <thomas.morin@orange.com>
>>> Cc: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>; ops-ads@ietf.org; Martin
>>> Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>; bess@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [bess] MIBDoc review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-02.txt
>>>
>>> Hi authors,
>>>
>>> I saw the discussions between you and Glenn about l2l3 mvpn mib and you
>>> have already submitted the 02 version to address the comments.
>>>
>>> But I did not see any response to the below mvpn mib review and
>>> comments(maybe I missed something), given that we have plan to progress
>>> the mvpn-mib and l2l3-mvpn-mib documents together, what's your plan about
>>> this document?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mach
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Glenn Mansfield Keeni [mailto:glenn@cysols.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 12:04 PM
>>>> To: Benoit Claise; thomas.morin@orange.com
>>>> Cc: ops-ads@ietf.org; Martin Vigoureux; Mach Chen; Jeffrey (Zhaohui)
>>> Zhang;
>>>> bess@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: MIBDoc review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-02.txt
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I have been asked to do a MIB Doctors review of
>>>> draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-02.txt.
>>>>
>>>> The comments are attached.
>>>> You will note that this is preliminary review. There are some generic
>>> comments
>>>> which apply to all the scalars and tables. Please take care of those and
>>> then we
>>>> will get onto the next phase.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Glenn
>>>
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Hi Thomas, Glenn

Sorry, this is my fault.

I think Glenn is waiting for the new revision because
the last revision posted in March does not have essential
improvement.

I am going to make a major update MVPN-MIB document
in this weekend and will post the new revision at the beginning
of the next week hopefully.

Thanks in advance,

-- tsuno









2017-06-01 11:16 GMT+02:00  <thomas.morin@orange.com>:
> Hi Glenn,
>
> Thanks for the reviews on the other mvpn-related MIB
> (draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-03).
>
> We would like to have an idea of what is the progress around this draft.
> Do you know when you could do a review of the revision posted in early March
> ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> -Thomas
>
>
> 2017-03-01, Hiroshi Tsunoda:
>
>> Dear Glenn,
>>
>> I posted a new revision MVPN-MIB document.
>> This revision addresses mainly editorial parts of your comments.
>> Although so many TBDs have remained, I hope that this becomes
>> the re-starting point to finalize this document.
>>
>> URL:
>> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-03.txt
>> Status:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib/
>> Htmlized:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-03
>> Diff:
>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-03
>>
>> Please see some notes below.
>>
>>> 1.  Abstract:
>>> 1.1 Please give the full expansion of MPLS/BGP
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>> 1.2 "In particular, it describes managed objects to configure and/or
>>>      monitor Multicast in MPLS/BGP IP VPNs (MVPN) on a router."
>>>     Is this for any router or, a "Provider Edge" router ?
>>>     Please fix accordingly.
>>
>>
>> This point will be fixed in the next revision.
>>
>>> 2.  Introduction
>>> 2.1 PE - appears first time. Please give the full expansion.
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>> 2.2 Is the protocol for "exchanging VPN multicast" or
>>>      "exchanging VPN multicast states"? Please fix appropriately.
>>
>>
>> "exchanging VPN multicast states" is correct. Fixed.
>>
>>> 2.3 The expression "standard MIB" in the following is confusing:
>>>     "This document defines a standard MIB for MVPN-specific
>>>     objects that are generic to both PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN."
>>>     Is there any special significance in the "standard" above?
>>>     If no, then please drop the word.
>>
>>
>> Fixed. I dropped the word "standard".
>>
>>>     Are the objects "generic" to PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN or "common"
>>>     to  PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN ? Please change accordingly.
>>
>>
>> This point will be fixed in the next revision.
>>
>>> 2.4 Please give the full expansion of the abbreviations occuring
>>>      for the first time in the document. (MPLS, L3VPN).
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>> 2.5 The terminology section is a bit terse. Explaining the terms
>>>     that are used, with reference to the protocol documents will
>>>     improve readability.
>>>     e.g.
>>>      - MVPN, PE, PMSI/tunnels,
>>>      - C-multicast routing exchange protocol (PIM or BGP),
>>>        C-multicast states
>>>      - I-PMSI, S-PMSI, provider tunnels
>>
>>
>> Partially fixed. I will give more detailed explanation in the next
>> revision.
>>
>>> 3.  MVPN MIB.
>>>     This gives the overview of the MVPN MIB.
>>>     The MIB module aims to provide "configuring and/or monitoring"
>>>
>>> 3.1 In
>>>      "This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs on PE
>>>      devices: the whole multicast VPN machinery....."
>>>     "the whole multicast VPN machinery" is very difficult to define.
>>>     Please use precisely defined terms.
>>> 3.2 In "To represent them,...."
>>>     "them" seems ambiguous, please clarify.
>>
>>
>> These points will be fixed in the next revision.
>>
>>> 3.3 The diagram needs some explanation.
>>>     What do the boxes represent? Tables ? The labels are meant to be
>>>     table names ? The table names do not match the labels.
>>>     What do the arrows signify? Please explain.
>>
>>
>> Partially fixed. Each box represents a table defined in this document.
>> I fixed the labels in the boxes.
>>
>> More detailed explanation will be added in the next revision.
>>
>>> 3.4 The short explanation of the tables could be augmented with some
>>>     information on what they represent and an idea of how they will
>>>     be used. ( RFC 4382 provides a good example).
>>
>>
>> These points will be fixed in the next revision.
>>
>>> MIB definitions:
>>> 4. MIB syntax checking:
>>>    smilint -s -e -l 5 mibs/MCAST-VPN-MIB 2>MCAST-VPN-MIB.txt
>>
>>
>> I fixed the most of the warnings except for "index-exceeds-too-large".
>> I think the restructuring of the MIB module may be required in order to
>> fix "index-exceeds-too-large".  Thus, I will need more time to work on
>> this.
>>
>>> 5. IMPORTS clause
>>>     MIB modules from which items are imported must be cited and included
>>>    in the normative references.
>>>    The conventional style is
>>>      mplsStdMIB
>>>         FROM MPLS-TC-STD-MIB                            -- [RFC3811]
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>> 6. Please update the MODULE-IDENTITY. (There are no syntantic errors.)
>>> 6.1 'ORGANIZATION "IETF Layer-3 Virtual Private
>>>                   Networks Working Group."'
>>>     needs to be fixed to
>>>     'ORGANIZATION "IETF BESS Working Group."'
>>>     or something more appropriate.
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>> 6.2 CONTACT-INFO
>>>     Following the conventions (including indentation style) will
>>>     improve the readability. (e.g. RFC4382, RFC5132).
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>> 6.2 REVISION clause: follow the convention of RFC4131 sec 4.5
>>>           REVISION    "200212132358Z"  -- December 13, 2002
>>>           DESCRIPTION "Initial version, published as RFC yyyy."
>>>    -- RFC Ed.: replace yyyy with actual RFC number & remove this note:
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>> 6.3 OID assignment: follow the convention of RFC4131 sec 4.5
>>>     replace
>>>           ::= { experimental 99 } -- number to be assigned
>>>     by
>>>           ::= { <subtree> XXX }
>>>    -- RFC Ed.: replace XXX with IANA-assigned number & remove this note
>>>    <subtree> will be the subtree under which the module will be
>>>    registered.
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>> 7. Wherever possible, please provide references for objects used in the
>>>     MIB. The references will point to specific sections/sub-sections of
>>>     RFCs defining the protocol for which the MIB is being designed.
>>
>>
>> This will be addressed in the next revision.
>>
>>> 8. MOs.
>>> 8.1 Scalar Objects: The name mvpnMvrfNumber may be misleading.
>>>     I would recommend the usage of the same naming style
>>>     as RFC 4382 e.g. mvpnMvrfs, mvpnV4Mvrfs, mvpnV6Mvrfs (instead of
>>>     mvpnMvrfNumber, mvpnMvrfNumberV4, mvpnMvrfNumberV6, ...) unless
>>>     there is some good reason to not do it.
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>> 8.2 mvpnMvrfNumber OBJECT-TYPE
>>>        SYNTAX         Unsigned32
>>>        DESCRIPTION
>>>            "The total number of MVRFs that are present on this device,
>>>             whether for IPv4, IPv6, or mLDP C-Multicast."
>>>     o Please make the description precise. E.g. if it is the sum of
>>>       IPv4 MVRFs, IPv6 MVRFs and mLDP C-Multicast MVRFs state it
>>>       explicitly.
>>>     o The expression "present on this device" is used.
>>>       Does "present" imply "configured" MVRFs or "active" MVRFs.
>>>       If it is number of active MVRFs then one would expect that
>>>       the number will vary (increase or decrease). If that is the
>>>       case:
>>>       replace
>>>        SYNTAX        Unsigned32
>>>       by
>>>        SYNTAX        Gauge32
>>
>>
>> Partially fixed. I replaced Unsigned32 by Gauge32.
>> I will try to update description in the next revision.
>>
>>> 8.3 For all the following scalars:
>>>                             mvpnMvrfNumber
>>>                             mvpnMvrfNumberV4
>>>                             mvpnMvrfNumberV6
>>>                             mvpnMvrfNumberPimV4
>>>                             mvpnMvrfNumberPimV6
>>>                             mvpnMvrfNumberBgpV4
>>>                             mvpnMvrfNumberBgpV6
>>>                             mvpnMvrfNumberMldp
>>>     same comments as 8.2.
>>
>>
>> Name and SYNTAX of these scalars were fixed.
>> Description will be fixed in the next revision.
>>
>>> 8.4 mvpnGenAddressFamily OBJECT-TYPE
>>>        DESCRIPTION
>>>            "The Address Fammily that this entry is for"
>>>      s/Fammily/Family/
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>> 8.5 mvpnGenOperStatusChange OBJECT-TYPE
>>>         SYNTAX      INTEGER { createdMvrf(1),
>>>                               deletedMvrf(2),
>>>                               modifiedMvrfIpmsiConfig(3),
>>>                              modifiedMvrfSpmsiConfig(4)
>>>                             }
>>>        DESCRIPTION
>>>            "This object describes the last operational change that
>>>     o The name does not look right. From the SYNTAX and the DESCRIPTION
>>>       it appears that this is about config or MVRF change rather than
>>>       "OperStatus" change. Please check and fix.
>>>     o Please confirm that the values in the row itself will not be
>>> changed
>>>       after creation. ( you do not have a 'modifiedMvrfConfig')
>>
>>
>> This will be addressed in the next revision.
>>
>>> 8.6 mvpnGenCmcastRouteProtocol OBJECT-TYPE
>>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>>>        ::= { mvpnGeneralEntry 4 }
>>>     o You cannot have MAX-ACCESS    read-write for a row that may be
>>>       dynamically created.
>>>       Replace
>>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>>>       by
>>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-create
>>>       if you want to dynamically change that value, otherwise,
>>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-only
>>>       will suffice.
>>
>>
>> This will be addressed in the next revision.
>>
>>> 8.8 mvpnGenIpmsiConfig OBJECT-TYPE
>>>         DESCRIPTION
>>>            "This points to a row in mvpnPmsiConfigTable,
>>>             for I-PMSI configuration."
>>>     o Please specify the expected behaviour when it is not an I-PMSI
>>> 8.9 mvpnGenInterAsPmsiConfig
>>>     o same comment as above
>>
>>
>> These will be addressed in the next revision.
>>
>>> 8.10 mvpnGenRowStatus
>>>     mvpnGenRowStatus OBJECT-TYPE
>>>        SYNTAX        RowStatus
>>>        DESCRIPTION
>>>            "This is used to create or delete a row in this table."
>>>     o The description is inadequate for an implementor (and
>>>       others too).
>>>     o You must have a mvpnGenRowStorageType or the DESCRIPTION of
>>>       mvpnGenRowStatus must indicate what will happen to the row
>>>       after an agent restart
>>
>>
>> I will try to address this comment in the next revision.
>>
>>> 9. Similar comments (8.1 ~ 8.10) for the remaining tables in the MIB
>>>     Particularly 8.10 for the RowStatus type objects
>>>                          mvpnGenRowStatus
>>>                         mvpnPmsiConfigRowStatus
>>>                         mvpnSpmsiConfigRowStatus.
>>>    Please check and fix.
>>
>>
>> I will try to address this comment in the next revision.
>>
>>> 10. mvpnMvrfChange NOTIFICATION-TYPE
>>>         OBJECTS     {
>>>                      mvpnGenOperStatusChange
>>>                    }
>>>        ::= { mvpnNotifications 2 }
>>>
>>>     o should be  { mvpnNotifications 1 }
>>>     o Include the MOs that the administrator/manager may want to
>>>       see in OBJECTS.
>>
>>
>> The first comment is addressed, the second one is TBD.
>>
>>> 11. The Security Considerations section does not follow the Security
>>>      Guidelines for IETF MIB Modules
>>>      http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/mib-security.
>>
>>
>> I rewrite this part according to the guideline described in RFC4181
>> Sec.3.4.
>> However, there are some TBDs in this part that should be updated according
>> to the update in the main body of MIB module.
>>
>>
>>> 12.  COMPLIANCE.
>>> 12.1 You seem to mandate MAX-ACCESS read-write/read-create for
>>>       compliance. Is this intended? Configuration capability MUST be
>>>       supported?  Please note that sec 2.  MVPN MIB says
>>>       "This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs ..."
>>>      The current compliance requirement contradicts the above claim.
>>>      Please check and fix.
>>>
>>>      It is general and sound practice to allow for MAX-ACCESS
>>>      read-only compliance. Some implementations may support
>>>      monitoring but not configuration.
>>>      Please check and fix.
>>
>>
>> This will be addressed in the next reivision.
>>
>>> General nits:
>>> 13.1  Page-1  s/an portion/a portion/
>>> 13.2  Page-1  s/we'll/we will/
>>> 13.3  Page-5  s/ mvpnSpmsiTable\/Etnry/mvpnSpmsiTable/
>>>          I think that the "/Entry" was removed from similar titles
>>>          in the earlier draft as adivised by the document shepherd.
>>>          This one should be removed too.
>>> 13.4 ID-nits:
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>> 14. There is another WIP L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB in the WG.
>>>      Is there a good reason for not merging the 2 documents?
>>>      Some clarification or pointers will be helpful.
>>
>>
>> In my understanding, L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB is designed for both
>> L2VPN multicast and L3VPN multicast, but MVPN-MIB is designed
>> only for L3VPN multicast. I think this is a reason why there are
>> two separate documents.
>>
>> -- tsuno
>>
>> 2016-06-07 0:44 GMT+09:00 Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>:
>>>
>>> Mach, Glenn,
>>>
>>> I've addressed most of the comments from Glenn on the l2l3 mvpn mib and
>>> had started on addressing some comments on mvpn mib, but I've been side
>>> tracked and am making very slow progress.
>>>
>>> I will try to pick it up again soon.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Jeffrey
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mach Chen
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 3:30 AM
>>>> To: Glenn Mansfield Keeni <glenn@cysols.com>; Benoit Claise
>>>> <bclaise@cisco.com>; EXT - thomas.morin@orange.com
>>>> <thomas.morin@orange.com>
>>>> Cc: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>; ops-ads@ietf.org;
>>>> Martin
>>>> Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>; bess@ietf.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [bess] MIBDoc review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-02.txt
>>>>
>>>> Hi authors,
>>>>
>>>> I saw the discussions between you and Glenn about l2l3 mvpn mib and you
>>>> have already submitted the 02 version to address the comments.
>>>>
>>>> But I did not see any response to the below mvpn mib review and
>>>> comments(maybe I missed something), given that we have plan to progress
>>>> the mvpn-mib and l2l3-mvpn-mib documents together, what's your plan
>>>> about
>>>> this document?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Mach
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Glenn Mansfield Keeni [mailto:glenn@cysols.com]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 12:04 PM
>>>>> To: Benoit Claise; thomas.morin@orange.com
>>>>> Cc: ops-ads@ietf.org; Martin Vigoureux; Mach Chen; Jeffrey (Zhaohui)
>>>>
>>>> Zhang;
>>>>>
>>>>> bess@ietf.org
>>>>> Subject: MIBDoc review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-02.txt
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I have been asked to do a MIB Doctors review of
>>>>> draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-02.txt.
>>>>>
>>>>> The comments are attached.
>>>>> You will note that this is preliminary review. There are some generic
>>>>
>>>> comments
>>>>>
>>>>> which apply to all the scalars and tables. Please take care of those
>>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> then we
>>>>>
>>>>> will get onto the next phase.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Glenn
>>>>
>>>>
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Ok, thanks for the update and for progressing this work!

-Thomas

2017-06-01, Hiroshi Tsunoda:
> Hi Thomas, Glenn
> 
> Sorry, this is my fault.
> 
> I think Glenn is waiting for the new revision because
> the last revision posted in March does not have essential
> improvement.
> 
> I am going to make a major update MVPN-MIB document
> in this weekend and will post the new revision at the beginning
> of the next week hopefully.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> -- tsuno
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2017-06-01 11:16 GMT+02:00  <thomas.morin@orange.com>:
>> Hi Glenn,
>>
>> Thanks for the reviews on the other mvpn-related MIB
>> (draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-03).
>>
>> We would like to have an idea of what is the progress around this draft.
>> Do you know when you could do a review of the revision posted in early March
>> ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> -Thomas
>>
>>
>> 2017-03-01, Hiroshi Tsunoda:
>>
>>> Dear Glenn,
>>>
>>> I posted a new revision MVPN-MIB document.
>>> This revision addresses mainly editorial parts of your comments.
>>> Although so many TBDs have remained, I hope that this becomes
>>> the re-starting point to finalize this document.
>>>
>>> URL:
>>> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-03.txt
>>> Status:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib/
>>> Htmlized:
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-03
>>> Diff:
>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-03
>>>
>>> Please see some notes below.
>>>
>>>> 1.  Abstract:
>>>> 1.1 Please give the full expansion of MPLS/BGP
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 1.2 "In particular, it describes managed objects to configure and/or
>>>>       monitor Multicast in MPLS/BGP IP VPNs (MVPN) on a router."
>>>>      Is this for any router or, a "Provider Edge" router ?
>>>>      Please fix accordingly.
>>>
>>>
>>> This point will be fixed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 2.  Introduction
>>>> 2.1 PE - appears first time. Please give the full expansion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 2.2 Is the protocol for "exchanging VPN multicast" or
>>>>       "exchanging VPN multicast states"? Please fix appropriately.
>>>
>>>
>>> "exchanging VPN multicast states" is correct. Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 2.3 The expression "standard MIB" in the following is confusing:
>>>>      "This document defines a standard MIB for MVPN-specific
>>>>      objects that are generic to both PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN."
>>>>      Is there any special significance in the "standard" above?
>>>>      If no, then please drop the word.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed. I dropped the word "standard".
>>>
>>>>      Are the objects "generic" to PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN or "common"
>>>>      to  PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN ? Please change accordingly.
>>>
>>>
>>> This point will be fixed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 2.4 Please give the full expansion of the abbreviations occuring
>>>>       for the first time in the document. (MPLS, L3VPN).
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 2.5 The terminology section is a bit terse. Explaining the terms
>>>>      that are used, with reference to the protocol documents will
>>>>      improve readability.
>>>>      e.g.
>>>>       - MVPN, PE, PMSI/tunnels,
>>>>       - C-multicast routing exchange protocol (PIM or BGP),
>>>>         C-multicast states
>>>>       - I-PMSI, S-PMSI, provider tunnels
>>>
>>>
>>> Partially fixed. I will give more detailed explanation in the next
>>> revision.
>>>
>>>> 3.  MVPN MIB.
>>>>      This gives the overview of the MVPN MIB.
>>>>      The MIB module aims to provide "configuring and/or monitoring"
>>>>
>>>> 3.1 In
>>>>       "This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs on PE
>>>>       devices: the whole multicast VPN machinery....."
>>>>      "the whole multicast VPN machinery" is very difficult to define.
>>>>      Please use precisely defined terms.
>>>> 3.2 In "To represent them,...."
>>>>      "them" seems ambiguous, please clarify.
>>>
>>>
>>> These points will be fixed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 3.3 The diagram needs some explanation.
>>>>      What do the boxes represent? Tables ? The labels are meant to be
>>>>      table names ? The table names do not match the labels.
>>>>      What do the arrows signify? Please explain.
>>>
>>>
>>> Partially fixed. Each box represents a table defined in this document.
>>> I fixed the labels in the boxes.
>>>
>>> More detailed explanation will be added in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 3.4 The short explanation of the tables could be augmented with some
>>>>      information on what they represent and an idea of how they will
>>>>      be used. ( RFC 4382 provides a good example).
>>>
>>>
>>> These points will be fixed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> MIB definitions:
>>>> 4. MIB syntax checking:
>>>>     smilint -s -e -l 5 mibs/MCAST-VPN-MIB 2>MCAST-VPN-MIB.txt
>>>
>>>
>>> I fixed the most of the warnings except for "index-exceeds-too-large".
>>> I think the restructuring of the MIB module may be required in order to
>>> fix "index-exceeds-too-large".  Thus, I will need more time to work on
>>> this.
>>>
>>>> 5. IMPORTS clause
>>>>      MIB modules from which items are imported must be cited and included
>>>>     in the normative references.
>>>>     The conventional style is
>>>>       mplsStdMIB
>>>>          FROM MPLS-TC-STD-MIB                            -- [RFC3811]
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 6. Please update the MODULE-IDENTITY. (There are no syntantic errors.)
>>>> 6.1 'ORGANIZATION "IETF Layer-3 Virtual Private
>>>>                    Networks Working Group."'
>>>>      needs to be fixed to
>>>>      'ORGANIZATION "IETF BESS Working Group."'
>>>>      or something more appropriate.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 6.2 CONTACT-INFO
>>>>      Following the conventions (including indentation style) will
>>>>      improve the readability. (e.g. RFC4382, RFC5132).
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 6.2 REVISION clause: follow the convention of RFC4131 sec 4.5
>>>>            REVISION    "200212132358Z"  -- December 13, 2002
>>>>            DESCRIPTION "Initial version, published as RFC yyyy."
>>>>     -- RFC Ed.: replace yyyy with actual RFC number & remove this note:
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 6.3 OID assignment: follow the convention of RFC4131 sec 4.5
>>>>      replace
>>>>            ::= { experimental 99 } -- number to be assigned
>>>>      by
>>>>            ::= { <subtree> XXX }
>>>>     -- RFC Ed.: replace XXX with IANA-assigned number & remove this note
>>>>     <subtree> will be the subtree under which the module will be
>>>>     registered.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 7. Wherever possible, please provide references for objects used in the
>>>>      MIB. The references will point to specific sections/sub-sections of
>>>>      RFCs defining the protocol for which the MIB is being designed.
>>>
>>>
>>> This will be addressed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 8. MOs.
>>>> 8.1 Scalar Objects: The name mvpnMvrfNumber may be misleading.
>>>>      I would recommend the usage of the same naming style
>>>>      as RFC 4382 e.g. mvpnMvrfs, mvpnV4Mvrfs, mvpnV6Mvrfs (instead of
>>>>      mvpnMvrfNumber, mvpnMvrfNumberV4, mvpnMvrfNumberV6, ...) unless
>>>>      there is some good reason to not do it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 8.2 mvpnMvrfNumber OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>         SYNTAX         Unsigned32
>>>>         DESCRIPTION
>>>>             "The total number of MVRFs that are present on this device,
>>>>              whether for IPv4, IPv6, or mLDP C-Multicast."
>>>>      o Please make the description precise. E.g. if it is the sum of
>>>>        IPv4 MVRFs, IPv6 MVRFs and mLDP C-Multicast MVRFs state it
>>>>        explicitly.
>>>>      o The expression "present on this device" is used.
>>>>        Does "present" imply "configured" MVRFs or "active" MVRFs.
>>>>        If it is number of active MVRFs then one would expect that
>>>>        the number will vary (increase or decrease). If that is the
>>>>        case:
>>>>        replace
>>>>         SYNTAX        Unsigned32
>>>>        by
>>>>         SYNTAX        Gauge32
>>>
>>>
>>> Partially fixed. I replaced Unsigned32 by Gauge32.
>>> I will try to update description in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 8.3 For all the following scalars:
>>>>                              mvpnMvrfNumber
>>>>                              mvpnMvrfNumberV4
>>>>                              mvpnMvrfNumberV6
>>>>                              mvpnMvrfNumberPimV4
>>>>                              mvpnMvrfNumberPimV6
>>>>                              mvpnMvrfNumberBgpV4
>>>>                              mvpnMvrfNumberBgpV6
>>>>                              mvpnMvrfNumberMldp
>>>>      same comments as 8.2.
>>>
>>>
>>> Name and SYNTAX of these scalars were fixed.
>>> Description will be fixed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 8.4 mvpnGenAddressFamily OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>         DESCRIPTION
>>>>             "The Address Fammily that this entry is for"
>>>>       s/Fammily/Family/
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 8.5 mvpnGenOperStatusChange OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>          SYNTAX      INTEGER { createdMvrf(1),
>>>>                                deletedMvrf(2),
>>>>                                modifiedMvrfIpmsiConfig(3),
>>>>                               modifiedMvrfSpmsiConfig(4)
>>>>                              }
>>>>         DESCRIPTION
>>>>             "This object describes the last operational change that
>>>>      o The name does not look right. From the SYNTAX and the DESCRIPTION
>>>>        it appears that this is about config or MVRF change rather than
>>>>        "OperStatus" change. Please check and fix.
>>>>      o Please confirm that the values in the row itself will not be
>>>> changed
>>>>        after creation. ( you do not have a 'modifiedMvrfConfig')
>>>
>>>
>>> This will be addressed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 8.6 mvpnGenCmcastRouteProtocol OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>         MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>>>>         ::= { mvpnGeneralEntry 4 }
>>>>      o You cannot have MAX-ACCESS    read-write for a row that may be
>>>>        dynamically created.
>>>>        Replace
>>>>         MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>>>>        by
>>>>         MAX-ACCESS    read-create
>>>>        if you want to dynamically change that value, otherwise,
>>>>         MAX-ACCESS    read-only
>>>>        will suffice.
>>>
>>>
>>> This will be addressed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 8.8 mvpnGenIpmsiConfig OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>          DESCRIPTION
>>>>             "This points to a row in mvpnPmsiConfigTable,
>>>>              for I-PMSI configuration."
>>>>      o Please specify the expected behaviour when it is not an I-PMSI
>>>> 8.9 mvpnGenInterAsPmsiConfig
>>>>      o same comment as above
>>>
>>>
>>> These will be addressed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 8.10 mvpnGenRowStatus
>>>>      mvpnGenRowStatus OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>         SYNTAX        RowStatus
>>>>         DESCRIPTION
>>>>             "This is used to create or delete a row in this table."
>>>>      o The description is inadequate for an implementor (and
>>>>        others too).
>>>>      o You must have a mvpnGenRowStorageType or the DESCRIPTION of
>>>>        mvpnGenRowStatus must indicate what will happen to the row
>>>>        after an agent restart
>>>
>>>
>>> I will try to address this comment in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 9. Similar comments (8.1 ~ 8.10) for the remaining tables in the MIB
>>>>      Particularly 8.10 for the RowStatus type objects
>>>>                           mvpnGenRowStatus
>>>>                          mvpnPmsiConfigRowStatus
>>>>                          mvpnSpmsiConfigRowStatus.
>>>>     Please check and fix.
>>>
>>>
>>> I will try to address this comment in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 10. mvpnMvrfChange NOTIFICATION-TYPE
>>>>          OBJECTS     {
>>>>                       mvpnGenOperStatusChange
>>>>                     }
>>>>         ::= { mvpnNotifications 2 }
>>>>
>>>>      o should be  { mvpnNotifications 1 }
>>>>      o Include the MOs that the administrator/manager may want to
>>>>        see in OBJECTS.
>>>
>>>
>>> The first comment is addressed, the second one is TBD.
>>>
>>>> 11. The Security Considerations section does not follow the Security
>>>>       Guidelines for IETF MIB Modules
>>>>       http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/mib-security.
>>>
>>>
>>> I rewrite this part according to the guideline described in RFC4181
>>> Sec.3.4.
>>> However, there are some TBDs in this part that should be updated according
>>> to the update in the main body of MIB module.
>>>
>>>
>>>> 12.  COMPLIANCE.
>>>> 12.1 You seem to mandate MAX-ACCESS read-write/read-create for
>>>>        compliance. Is this intended? Configuration capability MUST be
>>>>        supported?  Please note that sec 2.  MVPN MIB says
>>>>        "This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs ..."
>>>>       The current compliance requirement contradicts the above claim.
>>>>       Please check and fix.
>>>>
>>>>       It is general and sound practice to allow for MAX-ACCESS
>>>>       read-only compliance. Some implementations may support
>>>>       monitoring but not configuration.
>>>>       Please check and fix.
>>>
>>>
>>> This will be addressed in the next reivision.
>>>
>>>> General nits:
>>>> 13.1  Page-1  s/an portion/a portion/
>>>> 13.2  Page-1  s/we'll/we will/
>>>> 13.3  Page-5  s/ mvpnSpmsiTable\/Etnry/mvpnSpmsiTable/
>>>>           I think that the "/Entry" was removed from similar titles
>>>>           in the earlier draft as adivised by the document shepherd.
>>>>           This one should be removed too.
>>>> 13.4 ID-nits:
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 14. There is another WIP L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB in the WG.
>>>>       Is there a good reason for not merging the 2 documents?
>>>>       Some clarification or pointers will be helpful.
>>>
>>>
>>> In my understanding, L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB is designed for both
>>> L2VPN multicast and L3VPN multicast, but MVPN-MIB is designed
>>> only for L3VPN multicast. I think this is a reason why there are
>>> two separate documents.
>>>
>>> -- tsuno
>>>
>>> 2016-06-07 0:44 GMT+09:00 Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>:
>>>>
>>>> Mach, Glenn,
>>>>
>>>> I've addressed most of the comments from Glenn on the l2l3 mvpn mib and
>>>> had started on addressing some comments on mvpn mib, but I've been side
>>>> tracked and am making very slow progress.
>>>>
>>>> I will try to pick it up again soon.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mach Chen
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 3:30 AM
>>>>> To: Glenn Mansfield Keeni <glenn@cysols.com>; Benoit Claise
>>>>> <bclaise@cisco.com>; EXT - thomas.morin@orange.com
>>>>> <thomas.morin@orange.com>
>>>>> Cc: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>; ops-ads@ietf.org;
>>>>> Martin
>>>>> Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>; bess@ietf.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [bess] MIBDoc review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-02.txt
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi authors,
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw the discussions between you and Glenn about l2l3 mvpn mib and you
>>>>> have already submitted the 02 version to address the comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I did not see any response to the below mvpn mib review and
>>>>> comments(maybe I missed something), given that we have plan to progress
>>>>> the mvpn-mib and l2l3-mvpn-mib documents together, what's your plan
>>>>> about
>>>>> this document?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Mach
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Glenn Mansfield Keeni [mailto:glenn@cysols.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 12:04 PM
>>>>>> To: Benoit Claise; thomas.morin@orange.com
>>>>>> Cc: ops-ads@ietf.org; Martin Vigoureux; Mach Chen; Jeffrey (Zhaohui)
>>>>>
>>>>> Zhang;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bess@ietf.org
>>>>>> Subject: MIBDoc review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-02.txt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I have been asked to do a MIB Doctors review of
>>>>>> draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-02.txt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The comments are attached.
>>>>>> You will note that this is preliminary review. There are some generic
>>>>>
>>>>> comments
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which apply to all the scalars and tables. Please take care of those
>>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> then we
>>>>>>
>>>>>> will get onto the next phase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glenn
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Subject: [bess] WG feedback on early allocation requests for new EVPN Route types
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Dear WG,

we have received an early allocation request (see details below) from 
the authors of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy.

Please let us know if you are aware of any code-point conflict, or
if you have issues with the WG moving forward with this early allocation.

We envisage to proceed with the request on the 16th of June.

Thank you
M&T

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"EVPN Route Types" from registry defined by RFC7432
https://www.iana.org/assignments/evpn/evpn.xhtml

  6 - Selective Multicast Ethernet Tag Route
  7 - IGMP Join Synch Route
  8 - IGMP Leave Synch Route
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A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Martin Vigoureux, a Chair of the bess working group.


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Working Group Name: BGP Enabled ServiceS
Area Name: Routing Area
Session Requester: Martin Vigoureux

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):  2 Hours
Number of Attendees: 100
Conflicts to Avoid: 
 First Priority: idr
 Second Priority: sfc mpls pim nvo3 bier pals
 Third Priority: i2rs l2sm


People who must be present:
  Thomas Morin
  Martin Vigoureux
  Alvaro Retana

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Hi Tsuno,
    Thanks for following this up.
 > Sorry, this is my fault.
No problems at all. Take your time and
send me a nice MIB for review :-)

Glenn

On 2017/06/01 18:25, Hiroshi Tsunoda wrote:
> Hi Thomas, Glenn
> 
> Sorry, this is my fault.
> 
> I think Glenn is waiting for the new revision because
> the last revision posted in March does not have essential
> improvement.
> 
> I am going to make a major update MVPN-MIB document
> in this weekend and will post the new revision at the beginning
> of the next week hopefully.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> -- tsuno
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2017-06-01 11:16 GMT+02:00  <thomas.morin@orange.com>:
>> Hi Glenn,
>>
>> Thanks for the reviews on the other mvpn-related MIB
>> (draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-03).
>>
>> We would like to have an idea of what is the progress around this draft.
>> Do you know when you could do a review of the revision posted in early March
>> ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> -Thomas
>>
>>
>> 2017-03-01, Hiroshi Tsunoda:
>>
>>> Dear Glenn,
>>>
>>> I posted a new revision MVPN-MIB document.
>>> This revision addresses mainly editorial parts of your comments.
>>> Although so many TBDs have remained, I hope that this becomes
>>> the re-starting point to finalize this document.
>>>
>>> URL:
>>> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-03.txt
>>> Status:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib/
>>> Htmlized:
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-03
>>> Diff:
>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-03
>>>
>>> Please see some notes below.
>>>
>>>> 1.  Abstract:
>>>> 1.1 Please give the full expansion of MPLS/BGP
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 1.2 "In particular, it describes managed objects to configure and/or
>>>>       monitor Multicast in MPLS/BGP IP VPNs (MVPN) on a router."
>>>>      Is this for any router or, a "Provider Edge" router ?
>>>>      Please fix accordingly.
>>>
>>>
>>> This point will be fixed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 2.  Introduction
>>>> 2.1 PE - appears first time. Please give the full expansion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 2.2 Is the protocol for "exchanging VPN multicast" or
>>>>       "exchanging VPN multicast states"? Please fix appropriately.
>>>
>>>
>>> "exchanging VPN multicast states" is correct. Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 2.3 The expression "standard MIB" in the following is confusing:
>>>>      "This document defines a standard MIB for MVPN-specific
>>>>      objects that are generic to both PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN."
>>>>      Is there any special significance in the "standard" above?
>>>>      If no, then please drop the word.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed. I dropped the word "standard".
>>>
>>>>      Are the objects "generic" to PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN or "common"
>>>>      to  PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN ? Please change accordingly.
>>>
>>>
>>> This point will be fixed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 2.4 Please give the full expansion of the abbreviations occuring
>>>>       for the first time in the document. (MPLS, L3VPN).
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 2.5 The terminology section is a bit terse. Explaining the terms
>>>>      that are used, with reference to the protocol documents will
>>>>      improve readability.
>>>>      e.g.
>>>>       - MVPN, PE, PMSI/tunnels,
>>>>       - C-multicast routing exchange protocol (PIM or BGP),
>>>>         C-multicast states
>>>>       - I-PMSI, S-PMSI, provider tunnels
>>>
>>>
>>> Partially fixed. I will give more detailed explanation in the next
>>> revision.
>>>
>>>> 3.  MVPN MIB.
>>>>      This gives the overview of the MVPN MIB.
>>>>      The MIB module aims to provide "configuring and/or monitoring"
>>>>
>>>> 3.1 In
>>>>       "This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs on PE
>>>>       devices: the whole multicast VPN machinery....."
>>>>      "the whole multicast VPN machinery" is very difficult to define.
>>>>      Please use precisely defined terms.
>>>> 3.2 In "To represent them,...."
>>>>      "them" seems ambiguous, please clarify.
>>>
>>>
>>> These points will be fixed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 3.3 The diagram needs some explanation.
>>>>      What do the boxes represent? Tables ? The labels are meant to be
>>>>      table names ? The table names do not match the labels.
>>>>      What do the arrows signify? Please explain.
>>>
>>>
>>> Partially fixed. Each box represents a table defined in this document.
>>> I fixed the labels in the boxes.
>>>
>>> More detailed explanation will be added in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 3.4 The short explanation of the tables could be augmented with some
>>>>      information on what they represent and an idea of how they will
>>>>      be used. ( RFC 4382 provides a good example).
>>>
>>>
>>> These points will be fixed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> MIB definitions:
>>>> 4. MIB syntax checking:
>>>>     smilint -s -e -l 5 mibs/MCAST-VPN-MIB 2>MCAST-VPN-MIB.txt
>>>
>>>
>>> I fixed the most of the warnings except for "index-exceeds-too-large".
>>> I think the restructuring of the MIB module may be required in order to
>>> fix "index-exceeds-too-large".  Thus, I will need more time to work on
>>> this.
>>>
>>>> 5. IMPORTS clause
>>>>      MIB modules from which items are imported must be cited and included
>>>>     in the normative references.
>>>>     The conventional style is
>>>>       mplsStdMIB
>>>>          FROM MPLS-TC-STD-MIB                            -- [RFC3811]
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 6. Please update the MODULE-IDENTITY. (There are no syntantic errors.)
>>>> 6.1 'ORGANIZATION "IETF Layer-3 Virtual Private
>>>>                    Networks Working Group."'
>>>>      needs to be fixed to
>>>>      'ORGANIZATION "IETF BESS Working Group."'
>>>>      or something more appropriate.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 6.2 CONTACT-INFO
>>>>      Following the conventions (including indentation style) will
>>>>      improve the readability. (e.g. RFC4382, RFC5132).
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 6.2 REVISION clause: follow the convention of RFC4131 sec 4.5
>>>>            REVISION    "200212132358Z"  -- December 13, 2002
>>>>            DESCRIPTION "Initial version, published as RFC yyyy."
>>>>     -- RFC Ed.: replace yyyy with actual RFC number & remove this note:
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 6.3 OID assignment: follow the convention of RFC4131 sec 4.5
>>>>      replace
>>>>            ::= { experimental 99 } -- number to be assigned
>>>>      by
>>>>            ::= { <subtree> XXX }
>>>>     -- RFC Ed.: replace XXX with IANA-assigned number & remove this note
>>>>     <subtree> will be the subtree under which the module will be
>>>>     registered.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 7. Wherever possible, please provide references for objects used in the
>>>>      MIB. The references will point to specific sections/sub-sections of
>>>>      RFCs defining the protocol for which the MIB is being designed.
>>>
>>>
>>> This will be addressed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 8. MOs.
>>>> 8.1 Scalar Objects: The name mvpnMvrfNumber may be misleading.
>>>>      I would recommend the usage of the same naming style
>>>>      as RFC 4382 e.g. mvpnMvrfs, mvpnV4Mvrfs, mvpnV6Mvrfs (instead of
>>>>      mvpnMvrfNumber, mvpnMvrfNumberV4, mvpnMvrfNumberV6, ...) unless
>>>>      there is some good reason to not do it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 8.2 mvpnMvrfNumber OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>         SYNTAX         Unsigned32
>>>>         DESCRIPTION
>>>>             "The total number of MVRFs that are present on this device,
>>>>              whether for IPv4, IPv6, or mLDP C-Multicast."
>>>>      o Please make the description precise. E.g. if it is the sum of
>>>>        IPv4 MVRFs, IPv6 MVRFs and mLDP C-Multicast MVRFs state it
>>>>        explicitly.
>>>>      o The expression "present on this device" is used.
>>>>        Does "present" imply "configured" MVRFs or "active" MVRFs.
>>>>        If it is number of active MVRFs then one would expect that
>>>>        the number will vary (increase or decrease). If that is the
>>>>        case:
>>>>        replace
>>>>         SYNTAX        Unsigned32
>>>>        by
>>>>         SYNTAX        Gauge32
>>>
>>>
>>> Partially fixed. I replaced Unsigned32 by Gauge32.
>>> I will try to update description in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 8.3 For all the following scalars:
>>>>                              mvpnMvrfNumber
>>>>                              mvpnMvrfNumberV4
>>>>                              mvpnMvrfNumberV6
>>>>                              mvpnMvrfNumberPimV4
>>>>                              mvpnMvrfNumberPimV6
>>>>                              mvpnMvrfNumberBgpV4
>>>>                              mvpnMvrfNumberBgpV6
>>>>                              mvpnMvrfNumberMldp
>>>>      same comments as 8.2.
>>>
>>>
>>> Name and SYNTAX of these scalars were fixed.
>>> Description will be fixed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 8.4 mvpnGenAddressFamily OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>         DESCRIPTION
>>>>             "The Address Fammily that this entry is for"
>>>>       s/Fammily/Family/
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 8.5 mvpnGenOperStatusChange OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>          SYNTAX      INTEGER { createdMvrf(1),
>>>>                                deletedMvrf(2),
>>>>                                modifiedMvrfIpmsiConfig(3),
>>>>                               modifiedMvrfSpmsiConfig(4)
>>>>                              }
>>>>         DESCRIPTION
>>>>             "This object describes the last operational change that
>>>>      o The name does not look right. From the SYNTAX and the DESCRIPTION
>>>>        it appears that this is about config or MVRF change rather than
>>>>        "OperStatus" change. Please check and fix.
>>>>      o Please confirm that the values in the row itself will not be
>>>> changed
>>>>        after creation. ( you do not have a 'modifiedMvrfConfig')
>>>
>>>
>>> This will be addressed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 8.6 mvpnGenCmcastRouteProtocol OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>         MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>>>>         ::= { mvpnGeneralEntry 4 }
>>>>      o You cannot have MAX-ACCESS    read-write for a row that may be
>>>>        dynamically created.
>>>>        Replace
>>>>         MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>>>>        by
>>>>         MAX-ACCESS    read-create
>>>>        if you want to dynamically change that value, otherwise,
>>>>         MAX-ACCESS    read-only
>>>>        will suffice.
>>>
>>>
>>> This will be addressed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 8.8 mvpnGenIpmsiConfig OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>          DESCRIPTION
>>>>             "This points to a row in mvpnPmsiConfigTable,
>>>>              for I-PMSI configuration."
>>>>      o Please specify the expected behaviour when it is not an I-PMSI
>>>> 8.9 mvpnGenInterAsPmsiConfig
>>>>      o same comment as above
>>>
>>>
>>> These will be addressed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 8.10 mvpnGenRowStatus
>>>>      mvpnGenRowStatus OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>         SYNTAX        RowStatus
>>>>         DESCRIPTION
>>>>             "This is used to create or delete a row in this table."
>>>>      o The description is inadequate for an implementor (and
>>>>        others too).
>>>>      o You must have a mvpnGenRowStorageType or the DESCRIPTION of
>>>>        mvpnGenRowStatus must indicate what will happen to the row
>>>>        after an agent restart
>>>
>>>
>>> I will try to address this comment in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 9. Similar comments (8.1 ~ 8.10) for the remaining tables in the MIB
>>>>      Particularly 8.10 for the RowStatus type objects
>>>>                           mvpnGenRowStatus
>>>>                          mvpnPmsiConfigRowStatus
>>>>                          mvpnSpmsiConfigRowStatus.
>>>>     Please check and fix.
>>>
>>>
>>> I will try to address this comment in the next revision.
>>>
>>>> 10. mvpnMvrfChange NOTIFICATION-TYPE
>>>>          OBJECTS     {
>>>>                       mvpnGenOperStatusChange
>>>>                     }
>>>>         ::= { mvpnNotifications 2 }
>>>>
>>>>      o should be  { mvpnNotifications 1 }
>>>>      o Include the MOs that the administrator/manager may want to
>>>>        see in OBJECTS.
>>>
>>>
>>> The first comment is addressed, the second one is TBD.
>>>
>>>> 11. The Security Considerations section does not follow the Security
>>>>       Guidelines for IETF MIB Modules
>>>>       http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/mib-security.
>>>
>>>
>>> I rewrite this part according to the guideline described in RFC4181
>>> Sec.3.4.
>>> However, there are some TBDs in this part that should be updated according
>>> to the update in the main body of MIB module.
>>>
>>>
>>>> 12.  COMPLIANCE.
>>>> 12.1 You seem to mandate MAX-ACCESS read-write/read-create for
>>>>        compliance. Is this intended? Configuration capability MUST be
>>>>        supported?  Please note that sec 2.  MVPN MIB says
>>>>        "This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs ..."
>>>>       The current compliance requirement contradicts the above claim.
>>>>       Please check and fix.
>>>>
>>>>       It is general and sound practice to allow for MAX-ACCESS
>>>>       read-only compliance. Some implementations may support
>>>>       monitoring but not configuration.
>>>>       Please check and fix.
>>>
>>>
>>> This will be addressed in the next reivision.
>>>
>>>> General nits:
>>>> 13.1  Page-1  s/an portion/a portion/
>>>> 13.2  Page-1  s/we'll/we will/
>>>> 13.3  Page-5  s/ mvpnSpmsiTable\/Etnry/mvpnSpmsiTable/
>>>>           I think that the "/Entry" was removed from similar titles
>>>>           in the earlier draft as adivised by the document shepherd.
>>>>           This one should be removed too.
>>>> 13.4 ID-nits:
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed.
>>>
>>>> 14. There is another WIP L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB in the WG.
>>>>       Is there a good reason for not merging the 2 documents?
>>>>       Some clarification or pointers will be helpful.
>>>
>>>
>>> In my understanding, L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB is designed for both
>>> L2VPN multicast and L3VPN multicast, but MVPN-MIB is designed
>>> only for L3VPN multicast. I think this is a reason why there are
>>> two separate documents.
>>>
>>> -- tsuno
>>>
>>> 2016-06-07 0:44 GMT+09:00 Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>:
>>>>
>>>> Mach, Glenn,
>>>>
>>>> I've addressed most of the comments from Glenn on the l2l3 mvpn mib and
>>>> had started on addressing some comments on mvpn mib, but I've been side
>>>> tracked and am making very slow progress.
>>>>
>>>> I will try to pick it up again soon.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mach Chen
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 3:30 AM
>>>>> To: Glenn Mansfield Keeni <glenn@cysols.com>; Benoit Claise
>>>>> <bclaise@cisco.com>; EXT - thomas.morin@orange.com
>>>>> <thomas.morin@orange.com>
>>>>> Cc: Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net>; ops-ads@ietf.org;
>>>>> Martin
>>>>> Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>; bess@ietf.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [bess] MIBDoc review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-02.txt
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi authors,
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw the discussions between you and Glenn about l2l3 mvpn mib and you
>>>>> have already submitted the 02 version to address the comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I did not see any response to the below mvpn mib review and
>>>>> comments(maybe I missed something), given that we have plan to progress
>>>>> the mvpn-mib and l2l3-mvpn-mib documents together, what's your plan
>>>>> about
>>>>> this document?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Mach
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Glenn Mansfield Keeni [mailto:glenn@cysols.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 12:04 PM
>>>>>> To: Benoit Claise; thomas.morin@orange.com
>>>>>> Cc: ops-ads@ietf.org; Martin Vigoureux; Mach Chen; Jeffrey (Zhaohui)
>>>>>
>>>>> Zhang;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bess@ietf.org
>>>>>> Subject: MIBDoc review of draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-02.txt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I have been asked to do a MIB Doctors review of
>>>>>> draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-02.txt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The comments are attached.
>>>>>> You will note that this is preliminary review. There are some generic
>>>>>
>>>>> comments
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which apply to all the scalars and tables. Please take care of those
>>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> then we
>>>>>>
>>>>>> will get onto the next phase.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glenn
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Dear Tsuno/Zhang,
      Thanks for the good work. The document readability is
vastly improved.
The following are the comments on
     draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-08.txt

Glenn

0. The MIBs
     L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB and
     L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB
    compile OK. There are level-5 warnings
     mibs/L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB:64: [5] {type-unref} warning: current  
type `L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType' is not referenced in this module
     mibs/L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB:90: [5] {type-unref} warning: current  
type `L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId' is not referenced in this module
     mibs/L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB:90: [5] {type-without-format} warning:  
type `L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId' has no format specification
     mibs/L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB:169: [5] {type-unref} warning: current  
type `L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointer' is not referenced in this module
     mibs/L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB:198: [5] {type-unref} warning: current  
type `L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointerType' is not referenced in this  
module

     These may be ignored.

1. The explanations for the size of the identifiers for each tunneling
    technology in TC L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId
    is nicely done. These are aligned with definitions in rfc6514.
    In
            noTunnelId         (0), -- No tunnel information
    is there a specific reason to name it 'noTunnelId' instead of
    'noTunnelInfo'.

2. The TCs
        L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointerType, and
        L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointer
    Are probably not required. The value of the RowPointer [rfc2579]
    object is ' the name of the instance of the first
                accessible columnar object in the conceptual row'
    So the pointer will explicitly contain the name of the table.
    An auxilliary type object to indicate the table name is not
    necessary.
   [This is an oversight on my part. I should have noticed this earlier.]


Other Editorials:
P-2. Sec-1.
1.   para-1 makes tedious reading. Could this be improved?

2.       "Border Gateway Protocol/ MultiProtocol Label Switching (BGP/MPLS)"
      The usage of the '/' here is unclear.

3.       "and L3 VPNs.  Therefore, TCs and MOs defined"
      The context of the 'Therefore' is not clear.

4.       "The are two type"
      Probably s/The/There/ ?






On 2017/05/26 21:25, Hiroshi Tsunoda wrote:
> Dear Glenn,
> 
> Thank you for your thorough review and waiting for the updated.
> 
> I posted a new revision taking into account your latest comments.
> In the new revision, all of your comments are addressed.
> I also revised the draft to improve the readability.
> 
> Please see some notes below.
> 
> URL:
> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-08.txt
> Htmlized(1):
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-08
> Htmlized(2):
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-08
> Diff:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-08
> 
> 2017-05-02 14:44 GMT+02:00 Hiroshi Tsunoda <tsuno@m.ieice.org>:
>> 2017-05-01 12:32 GMT+02:00 Glenn Mansfield Keeni <glenn@cysols.com>:
>>> Dear Tsuno/Zhang
>>>       Thanks for waiting. The review of
>>>   draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-07 follows.
>>>
>>> Glenn
>>>
>>> C1. Abstract:
>>>      The draft now defines 2 MIB modules.  Please revise the abstract
>>>      and probably the title of the document too.
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>>> C2. The MIBs (L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB, L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB) compile OK.
>>>      (Three {type-unref} warnings are there, may be ignored.)
> 
> I have confirmed that the latest version of MIB modules can also be
> compiled successfully.
> 
>>> C3. Page 4:
>>>        s/3.  Summary of MIB Module/
>>>          3.  Summary of MIB Modules/
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>>> C4. Page 6: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointer DESCRIPTION
>>>        s/"Denotes a pointer to the row pertaining to a table entry/
>>>         /"This textual convention represents a pointer to a row in
>>>          the table represented by the following object of type
>>>          L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointerType./
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>>> C5. Page 7: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointer DESCRIPTION
>>>          The explanation in the last paragraph seems out of place.
>>>          It may be removed.
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>>> C6  Page 7: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointerType DESCRIPTION
>>>          it is unclear when the value 'null(0)' will be used.
>>>          Is this allowed only when the corresponding object of type
>>>          L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointer has a value that is a
>>>          zero-length string ? If yes, please make that clear.
> 
> 'null(0)' is the default value and indicates that the corresponding
> L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointer object is not assigned.
> In the new revision, this point is described clearly.
> 
>>> C7. Page 9: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeTable DESCRIPTION
>>>          s/created by a PE router/maintained by a PE router/
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>>> C8. Page 12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId
>>>           Do you really want to keep this object in L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB.
>>>           It will change every time a new "tunnel type" is added to
>>>           L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType. That will defeat the purpose
>>>           of separating L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB from L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB
>>>           It may be a good idea to define a textual convention like
>>>               L2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId
>>>           in the L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB and use that textual convention
>>>           in the L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB
> 
> Thank you for your suggestion. I revised the definition according to
> your suggestion.
> 
>>> C9. Page 13: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId DESCRIPTION
>>> A.       s/Thus, the size of this object is 16 octets in IPv4/
>>>             Thus, the size of this object is 8 octets in IPv4/
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>>> B.       The last 2 paragraphs do not tie up well with the previous
>>>           paragraphs in the DESCRIPTION.
> 
> Those 2 paragraphs are removed in the new revision.
> 
>>> C.       In the last paragraph
>>>           "this object is a pair of source and group IP addresses"
>>>           is unlcear. Please clarify.
> 
> Fixed. In the new revision, this point is described as follows.
> 
> "the corresponding Tunnel Identifier is composed of
> the source IP address and the group IP address."
> 
>>> C10. Page 15: Security Considerations
>>>           I would think that any field that reveals information about
>>>           a Multicast VPN and/or its members is sensitive.
>>>           Does the l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId field reveal
>>>           information about the participating members? If yes, it must
>>>           be marked as sensitive.
> 
> I revised this point according to your suggestion.
> 
>>> C11. Editorial:
>>>
>>> A. This does not pertain to the MIBs as such,
>>>     but I am uncomfortable with the  several variations
>>>     of the phrase
>>>     "Layer 2 and Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks (VPN)
>>>      that support multicast"
>>>     that appears in the text. I do not have a solution
>>>     on hand but it would be perhaps be more readable to
>>>     define and use a simple name/notation the beast for
>>>     which the MIB is being designed (e.g. "L2L3VPNMCast").
>>>
>>> B. Same with the phrase
>>>      "Layer 2 (L2) and Layer 3 (L3) VPN (Virtual Private
>>>       Network)
>>>      it would be probably be easier on the reader if an
>>>      abbreviation like L2L3VPNs was used where ever
>>>      applicable.
> 
> Thank you for your comments.
> In the new reivsion the abbreviation "L2L3VPNMCast"
> is defined and used throughout the draft.
> 
>>> C12. P2:Para4: s/within MIB module specifications//;
> 
> Fixed.
> 
>>> C13. General:
>>> A.      The DESCRIPTION clauses could do would some more
>>>          packing. (Too much space at the end of lines)
>>> B.      Please check the articles a/an/the once again. Some
>>>          usages do not seem right to me.
> 
> Fixed.
> 
> Sincerely yours,
> 
> -- tsuno
> 


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Dear Glenn,

Thank you very much for your review.

I am going to resubmit a revision as soon as possible.
Please wait for a moment regarding MVPN-MIB.

-- tsuno

2017-06-05 12:24 GMT+02:00 Glenn Mansfield Keeni <glenn@cysols.com>:
> Dear Tsuno/Zhang,
>      Thanks for the good work. The document readability is
> vastly improved.
> The following are the comments on
>     draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-08.txt
>
> Glenn
>
> 0. The MIBs
>     L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB and
>     L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB
>    compile OK. There are level-5 warnings
>     mibs/L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB:64: [5] {type-unref} warning: current type
> `L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType' is not referenced in this module
>     mibs/L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB:90: [5] {type-unref} warning: current type
> `L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId' is not referenced in this module
>     mibs/L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB:90: [5] {type-without-format} warning: type
> `L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId' has no format specification
>     mibs/L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB:169: [5] {type-unref} warning: current type
> `L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointer' is not referenced in this module
>     mibs/L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB:198: [5] {type-unref} warning: current type
> `L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointerType' is not referenced in this module
>
>     These may be ignored.
>
> 1. The explanations for the size of the identifiers for each tunneling
>    technology in TC L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId
>    is nicely done. These are aligned with definitions in rfc6514.
>    In
>            noTunnelId         (0), -- No tunnel information
>    is there a specific reason to name it 'noTunnelId' instead of
>    'noTunnelInfo'.
>
> 2. The TCs
>        L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointerType, and
>        L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointer
>    Are probably not required. The value of the RowPointer [rfc2579]
>    object is ' the name of the instance of the first
>                accessible columnar object in the conceptual row'
>    So the pointer will explicitly contain the name of the table.
>    An auxilliary type object to indicate the table name is not
>    necessary.
>   [This is an oversight on my part. I should have noticed this earlier.]
>
>
> Other Editorials:
> P-2. Sec-1.
> 1.   para-1 makes tedious reading. Could this be improved?
>
> 2.       "Border Gateway Protocol/ MultiProtocol Label Switching (BGP/MPLS)"
>      The usage of the '/' here is unclear.
>
> 3.       "and L3 VPNs.  Therefore, TCs and MOs defined"
>      The context of the 'Therefore' is not clear.
>
> 4.       "The are two type"
>      Probably s/The/There/ ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2017/05/26 21:25, Hiroshi Tsunoda wrote:
>>
>> Dear Glenn,
>>
>> Thank you for your thorough review and waiting for the updated.
>>
>> I posted a new revision taking into account your latest comments.
>> In the new revision, all of your comments are addressed.
>> I also revised the draft to improve the readability.
>>
>> Please see some notes below.
>>
>> URL:
>>
>> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-08.txt
>> Htmlized(1):
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-08
>> Htmlized(2):
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-08
>> Diff:
>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-08
>>
>> 2017-05-02 14:44 GMT+02:00 Hiroshi Tsunoda <tsuno@m.ieice.org>:
>>>
>>> 2017-05-01 12:32 GMT+02:00 Glenn Mansfield Keeni <glenn@cysols.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Tsuno/Zhang
>>>>       Thanks for waiting. The review of
>>>>   draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-07 follows.
>>>>
>>>> Glenn
>>>>
>>>> C1. Abstract:
>>>>      The draft now defines 2 MIB modules.  Please revise the abstract
>>>>      and probably the title of the document too.
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>>> C2. The MIBs (L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB, L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB) compile OK.
>>>>      (Three {type-unref} warnings are there, may be ignored.)
>>
>>
>> I have confirmed that the latest version of MIB modules can also be
>> compiled successfully.
>>
>>>> C3. Page 4:
>>>>        s/3.  Summary of MIB Module/
>>>>          3.  Summary of MIB Modules/
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>>> C4. Page 6: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointer DESCRIPTION
>>>>        s/"Denotes a pointer to the row pertaining to a table entry/
>>>>         /"This textual convention represents a pointer to a row in
>>>>          the table represented by the following object of type
>>>>          L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointerType./
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>>> C5. Page 7: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointer DESCRIPTION
>>>>          The explanation in the last paragraph seems out of place.
>>>>          It may be removed.
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>>> C6  Page 7: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointerType DESCRIPTION
>>>>          it is unclear when the value 'null(0)' will be used.
>>>>          Is this allowed only when the corresponding object of type
>>>>          L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointer has a value that is a
>>>>          zero-length string ? If yes, please make that clear.
>>
>>
>> 'null(0)' is the default value and indicates that the corresponding
>> L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointer object is not assigned.
>> In the new revision, this point is described clearly.
>>
>>>> C7. Page 9: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeTable DESCRIPTION
>>>>          s/created by a PE router/maintained by a PE router/
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>>> C8. Page 12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId
>>>>           Do you really want to keep this object in L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB.
>>>>           It will change every time a new "tunnel type" is added to
>>>>           L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType. That will defeat the purpose
>>>>           of separating L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB from L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB
>>>>           It may be a good idea to define a textual convention like
>>>>               L2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId
>>>>           in the L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB and use that textual convention
>>>>           in the L2L3-VPN-MCAST-MIB
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your suggestion. I revised the definition according to
>> your suggestion.
>>
>>>> C9. Page 13: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId DESCRIPTION
>>>> A.       s/Thus, the size of this object is 16 octets in IPv4/
>>>>             Thus, the size of this object is 8 octets in IPv4/
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>>> B.       The last 2 paragraphs do not tie up well with the previous
>>>>           paragraphs in the DESCRIPTION.
>>
>>
>> Those 2 paragraphs are removed in the new revision.
>>
>>>> C.       In the last paragraph
>>>>           "this object is a pair of source and group IP addresses"
>>>>           is unlcear. Please clarify.
>>
>>
>> Fixed. In the new revision, this point is described as follows.
>>
>> "the corresponding Tunnel Identifier is composed of
>> the source IP address and the group IP address."
>>
>>>> C10. Page 15: Security Considerations
>>>>           I would think that any field that reveals information about
>>>>           a Multicast VPN and/or its members is sensitive.
>>>>           Does the l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId field reveal
>>>>           information about the participating members? If yes, it must
>>>>           be marked as sensitive.
>>
>>
>> I revised this point according to your suggestion.
>>
>>>> C11. Editorial:
>>>>
>>>> A. This does not pertain to the MIBs as such,
>>>>     but I am uncomfortable with the  several variations
>>>>     of the phrase
>>>>     "Layer 2 and Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks (VPN)
>>>>      that support multicast"
>>>>     that appears in the text. I do not have a solution
>>>>     on hand but it would be perhaps be more readable to
>>>>     define and use a simple name/notation the beast for
>>>>     which the MIB is being designed (e.g. "L2L3VPNMCast").
>>>>
>>>> B. Same with the phrase
>>>>      "Layer 2 (L2) and Layer 3 (L3) VPN (Virtual Private
>>>>       Network)
>>>>      it would be probably be easier on the reader if an
>>>>      abbreviation like L2L3VPNs was used where ever
>>>>      applicable.
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your comments.
>> In the new reivsion the abbreviation "L2L3VPNMCast"
>> is defined and used throughout the draft.
>>
>>>> C12. P2:Para4: s/within MIB module specifications//;
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>>>> C13. General:
>>>> A.      The DESCRIPTION clauses could do would some more
>>>>          packing. (Too much space at the end of lines)
>>>> B.      Please check the articles a/an/the once again. Some
>>>>          usages do not seem right to me.
>>
>>
>> Fixed.
>>
>> Sincerely yours,
>>
>> -- tsuno
>>
>


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS of the IETF.

        Title           : Explicit Tracking with Wild Card Routes in Multicast VPN
        Authors         : Andrew Dolganow
                          Jayant Kotalwar
                          Eric C. Rosen
                          Zhaohui Zhang
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-02.txt
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	Date            : 2017-06-05

Abstract:
   The MVPN specifications provide procedures to allow a multicast
   ingress node to invoke "explicit tracking" for a multicast flow or
   set of flows, thus learning the egress nodes for that flow or set of
   flows.  However, the specifications are not completely clear about
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   is specified using a wildcard mechanism.  This document updates
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Hello Working Group,

This email starts a Working Group Last Call on 
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 [1] which is considered mature and ready 
for a final working group review.

Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent
version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
*20th of June*.
Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is 
also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an 
Informational RFC.

*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that 
applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage, to ensure that IPR has been 
disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 
and 5378 for more details).

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feel otherwise, please let us know.

Thank you,
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[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/
[2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw


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Yes/support

Regards,
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> On Jun 6, 2017, at 10:11, Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com> wr=
ote:
>=20
> Hello Working Group,
>=20
> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-=
04 [1] which is considered mature and ready for a final working group review=
.
>=20
> Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent
> version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
> *20th of June*.
> Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is al=
so a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an Informational R=
FC.
>=20
> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applie=
s to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in co=
mpliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more de=
tails).
>=20
> If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 please respond to this email and indicate wh=
ether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
>=20
> Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document or=
 its earlier versions.
>=20
> As opposed to the policy [2], we are not polling for knowledge of implemen=
tations as it does not seem to make sense in that case. If you feel otherwis=
e, please let us know.
>=20
> Thank you,
> M&T
>=20
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/
> [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw=

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP/MPLS Layer 3 VPN Multicast Management Information Base
        Authors         : Zhaohui Zhang (Jeffrey)
                          Saud Asif
                          Andy Green
                          Cisco Systems
                          Pradeep G. Jain
                          Hiroshi Tsunoda
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04.txt
	Pages           : 40
	Date            : 2017-06-06

Abstract:
   This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
   In particular, it describes managed objects to configure and/or
   monitor MVPN, Multicast in MultiProtocol Label Switching/Border
   Gateway Protocol (MPLS/BGP) IP Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) on a
   Provider Edge router.


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<div dir=3D"ltr">support as co-author. Not aware of IPR =C2=A0...=C2=A0</di=
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draft-rabadan-bess-evpn-pref-d<wbr>f-02 [1] as a Working Group Document.<br=
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Hi Glenn,

I posted a new revision (-04) of MVPN-MIB document.
In this revision, "Summary of MIB Module" has been rewritten.
I hope this change improves the readability.

URL:        https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04.txt
Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04
Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04
Diff:          https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04

Please see notes below for other changes.

2017-03-01 16:00 GMT+01:00 Hiroshi Tsunoda <tsuno@m.ieice.org>:
>> 1.  Abstract:
>> 1.2 "In particular, it describes managed objects to configure and/or
>>     monitor Multicast in MPLS/BGP IP VPNs (MVPN) on a router."
>>    Is this for any router or, a "Provider Edge" router ?
>>    Please fix accordingly.
>
> This point will be fixed in the next revision.

Fixed. "Provide Edge" router is correct.

>> 2.  Introduction
>>    Are the objects "generic" to PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN or "common"
>>    to  PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN ? Please change accordingly.
>
> This point will be fixed in the next revision.

Fixed. "common" is correct.

>> 2.5 The terminology section is a bit terse. Explaining the terms
>>    that are used, with reference to the protocol documents will
>>    improve readability.
>>    e.g.
>>     - MVPN, PE, PMSI/tunnels,
>>     - C-multicast routing exchange protocol (PIM or BGP),
>>       C-multicast states
>>     - I-PMSI, S-PMSI, provider tunnels
>
> Partially fixed. I will give more detailed explanation in the next revision.

I have added some more explanation in this revision.

>> 3.  MVPN MIB.
>>    This gives the overview of the MVPN MIB.
>>    The MIB module aims to provide "configuring and/or monitoring"
>> 3.1 In
>>     "This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs on PE
>>     devices: the whole multicast VPN machinery....."
>>    "the whole multicast VPN machinery" is very difficult to define.
>>    Please use precisely defined terms.
>> 3.2 In "To represent them,...."
>>    "them" seems ambiguous, please clarify.
>> 3.3 The diagram needs some explanation.
>>    What do the boxes represent? Tables ? The labels are meant to be
>>    table names ? The table names do not match the labels.
>>    What do the arrows signify? Please explain.
>> 3.4 The short explanation of the tables could be augmented with some
>>    information on what they represent and an idea of how they will
>>    be used. ( RFC 4382 provides a good example).

I have rewritten "Sec.3.1 Summary of MIB Module".
Eight tables can be categorized into two groups: tables for configuration and
tables for monitoring.
In this revision, the diagram representing the relationship among tables is
divided to two separated diagrams based on the roles of tables.

>> MIB definitions:
>> 7. Wherever possible, please provide references for objects used in the
>>    MIB. The references will point to specific sections/sub-sections of
>>    RFCs defining the protocol for which the MIB is being designed.
>
> This will be addressed in the next revision.

I have added some references but more are required.
I will keep working on this.

>> 8. MOs.
>> 8.2 mvpnMvrfNumber OBJECT-TYPE
>>       SYNTAX         Unsigned32
>>       DESCRIPTION
>>           "The total number of MVRFs that are present on this device,
>>            whether for IPv4, IPv6, or mLDP C-Multicast."
>>    o Please make the description precise. E.g. if it is the sum of
>>      IPv4 MVRFs, IPv6 MVRFs and mLDP C-Multicast MVRFs state it
>>      explicitly.
>>    o The expression "present on this device" is used.
>>      Does "present" imply "configured" MVRFs or "active" MVRFs.
>>      If it is number of active MVRFs then one would expect that
>>      the number will vary (increase or decrease). If that is the
>>      case:
>>      replace
>>       SYNTAX        Unsigned32
>>      by
>>       SYNTAX        Gauge32

I will try to update description in the next revision.

>> 8.5 mvpnGenOperStatusChange OBJECT-TYPE
>>        SYNTAX      INTEGER { createdMvrf(1),
>>                              deletedMvrf(2),
>>                              modifiedMvrfIpmsiConfig(3),
>>                             modifiedMvrfSpmsiConfig(4)
>>                            }
>>       DESCRIPTION
>>           "This object describes the last operational change that
>>    o The name does not look right. From the SYNTAX and the DESCRIPTION
>>      it appears that this is about config or MVRF change rather than
>>      "OperStatus" change. Please check and fix.
>>    o Please confirm that the values in the row itself will not be changed
>>      after creation. ( you do not have a 'modifiedMvrfConfig')

The name has been changed into mvpnGenMvrfStatusChange.
The name of the related object (mvpnGenOperStatusChangeTime) has
also been changed into mvpnGenMvrfStatusChangeTime.

>> 8.6 mvpnGenCmcastRouteProtocol OBJECT-TYPE
>>       MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>>       ::= { mvpnGeneralEntry 4 }
>>    o You cannot have MAX-ACCESS    read-write for a row that may be
>>      dynamically created.
>>      Replace
>>       MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>>      by
>>       MAX-ACCESS    read-create
>>      if you want to dynamically change that value, otherwise,
>>       MAX-ACCESS    read-only
>>      will suffice.

Fixed. Now, "MAX-ACCESS    read-create" is used.

>> 8.8 mvpnGenIpmsiConfig OBJECT-TYPE
>>        DESCRIPTION
>>           "This points to a row in mvpnPmsiConfigTable,
>>            for I-PMSI configuration."
>>    o Please specify the expected behaviour when it is not an I-PMSI
>> 8.9 mvpnGenInterAsPmsiConfig
>>    o same comment as above

These will be addressed in the next revision.

>> 8.10 mvpnGenRowStatus
>>    mvpnGenRowStatus OBJECT-TYPE
>>       SYNTAX        RowStatus
>>       DESCRIPTION
>>           "This is used to create or delete a row in this table."
>>    o The description is inadequate for an implementor (and
>>      others too).
>>    o You must have a mvpnGenRowStorageType or the DESCRIPTION of
>>      mvpnGenRowStatus must indicate what will happen to the row
>>      after an agent restart

I will try to address this comment in the next revision.

>> 9. Similar comments (8.1 ~ 8.10) for the remaining tables in the MIB
>>    Particularly 8.10 for the RowStatus type objects
>>                         mvpnGenRowStatus
>>                        mvpnPmsiConfigRowStatus
>>                        mvpnSpmsiConfigRowStatus.
>>   Please check and fix.

I will try to address this comment in the next revision.

>> 10. mvpnMvrfChange NOTIFICATION-TYPE
>>        OBJECTS     {
>>                     mvpnGenOperStatusChange
>>                   }
>>       ::= { mvpnNotifications 2 }
>>
>>    o should be  { mvpnNotifications 1 }
>>    o Include the MOs that the administrator/manager may want to
>>      see in OBJECTS.

The first comment is addressed, the second one is TBD.

>> 11. The Security Considerations section does not follow the Security
>>     Guidelines for IETF MIB Modules
>>     http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/mib-security.
>
I rewrite this part according to the guideline described in RFC4181 Sec.3.4.
However, there are some TBDs in this part that should be updated according
to the update in the main body of MIB module.

>> 12.  COMPLIANCE.
>> 12.1 You seem to mandate MAX-ACCESS read-write/read-create for
>>      compliance. Is this intended? Configuration capability MUST be
>>      supported?  Please note that sec 2.  MVPN MIB says
>>      "This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs ..."
>>     The current compliance requirement contradicts the above claim.
>>     Please check and fix.
>>
>>     It is general and sound practice to allow for MAX-ACCESS
>>     read-only compliance. Some implementations may support
>>     monitoring but not configuration.
>>     Please check and fix.

In this revision, I have added additional ReadOnly compliance
Now, there are following two MODULE-COMPLIANCE statements
are defined in this module.
 - mvpnModuleFullCompliance
 - mvpnModuleReadOnlyCompliance

Best regards,

-- tsuno


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Support as a co-author.

-Ali

On 6/6/17, 6:44 AM, "thomas.morin@orange.com" <thomas.morin@orange.com>
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>Hello working group,
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>This email starts a two-week call for adoption on
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>[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rabadan-bess-evpn-pref-df/
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> On Jun 6, 2017, at 10:11 AM, Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>=
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On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 06:44 <thomas.morin@orange.com> wrote:

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ote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
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<br>
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On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 07:11 Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>
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> Hello Working Group,
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<div>Yes/support</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jeff</div><div>=
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okia.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
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<br>
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draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 [1] which is considered mature and ready<br>
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Informational RFC.<br>
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Hi Alvaro,

I am still waiting for your feedback. Is there any additional questions/com=
ments that I need to address.

BTW, besides this draft, we are also waiting for your feedback on even-over=
lay draft.

Regards,
Ali

From: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>
Date: Friday, May 12, 2017 at 4:15 PM
To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com<mailto:aretana@cisco.com>>=
, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ie=
tf.org>" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-e=
tree@ietf.org>>
Cc: "bess-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org>" <bess-chairs@ietf.o=
rg<mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org>>, "bess@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>" <be=
ss@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>>, Thomas Morin <thomas.morin@orange.com<m=
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Subject: Re: AD Review of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-09
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t.com>>, <jdrake@juniper.net<mailto:jdrake@juniper.net>>, <sboutros@vmware.=
com<mailto:sboutros@vmware.com>>, <jorge.rabadan@nokia.com<mailto:jorge.rab=
adan@nokia.com>>
Resent-Date: Friday, May 12, 2017 at 4:19 PM


Hi Alvaro,

Please see my comment resolutions inline. I have updated and posted a new r=
ev:

https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-11.txt


From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com<mailto:aretana@cisco.com=
>>
Date: Friday, May 12, 2017 at 12:18 PM
To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>, "draft-ie=
tf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org>" <d=
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rg<mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org>>, "bess@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>" <be=
ss@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>>, Thomas Morin <thomas.morin@orange.com<m=
ailto:thomas.morin@orange.com>>
Subject: Re: AD Review of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-09

On 5/9/17, 8:51 PM, "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajas=
si@cisco.com>> wrote:

Ali:

Hi!

We=92re on the right path, but not there yet.  Please see my comments inlin=
e below.

Thanks!

Alvaro.


=85
> > M1. Both the Introduction and the Abstract mention that =93this documen=
t discusses
> > how the functional requirements for E-Tree service can be easily met=85=
=94  It seems to
> > me that RFC7387 is used as the building block for this document.  Why i=
s it not a
> > Normative reference?
>
> Because RFC7387 is informational RFC (and the framework RFC) and the idni=
ts
> complains of a downref: Normative reference to an informational RFC

The status of an RFC is not an indicator of how it should be referenced =96=
 complaints from idnits is not an excuse.  IOW, there is nothing that preve=
nts an Informational document to be referenced as Normative =96 we just nee=
d to take care of the process: not a big deal, but important.

Let me rephrase.  Is rfc7387 a document that =93that must be read to unders=
tand or implement=94 [1] what is specified in this document?  Because of ho=
w rfc7387 is positioned in the Abstract/Introduction, it seems to me that t=
he framework must be read to then understand how this document addresses it=
:


=93                                             A solution

   framework for supporting this service in MPLS networks is proposed in

   RFC7387<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7387> ("A Framework for Ethernet =
Tree (E-Tree) Service over a

   Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Network"). This document

   discusses how those functional requirements can be easily met with

   Ethernet VPN (EVPN) and how EVPN offers a more efficient

   implementation of these functions.=94

[1] https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/normative-informative.html

It is a bit subjective in this case but to be safe and assuming the readers=
 don=92t have any background in E-TREE (which has been around for a long ti=
me =96 e.g., private VLAN), I have moved it to the normative section.

> > M2. There is no reference to E-Tree.  Please add a Normative one.
>
> Added a reference for E-TREE definition in MEF.

This reference needs to be Normative =96 see above.

Done.

=85
> > M6. Definition of the E-TREE Extended Community
> >
> > M6.1. Only one Flag is defined.  What about the others?  Please set up =
a registry.
>
> If needed in the future, we will setup a registry.

Please set it up now.

OK, I will set it up.

=85
> > M7.1. It is not clear to me how the C bit is to be used.  Section 5.2 s=
ays that =93the high-
> > order bit of the tunnel type field (C bit - Composite tunnel bit) is se=
t while the
> > remaining low-order seven bits indicate the tunnel type as before.=94  =
 But 3.3.1 says
> > that the =93new composite tunnel type is advertised by the root PE to s=
imultaneously
> > indicate a P2MP tunnel in transmit direction and an ingress-replication=
 tunnel in the
> > receive direction=85=94.  Knowing, from 5.2 that when the C bit is set =
=93Tunnel
> > Types=850x06 'Ingress Replication' is invalid=94, then does the C bit h=
ave a set meaning
> > or ???   [BTW, s/is/are]
>
> The description in section 3.3.1 is consistent with this section 5.2. Bas=
ically, Composite
> Tunnel type, as its name implies consist of two tunnels: a P2MP tunnel in=
 the transmit
> direction and a MP2P tunnel in the receive direction. The MP2P tunnel in =
the receive
> direction is used by Leaf PE devices for their BUM traffic transmission. =
The "ingress
> replication tunnel type=94 is not valid because for that we don=92t need =
composite tunnel
> type!!
> I added the following sentence to the 1st paragraph to clarify it  more:
> "Composite tunnel type is advertised by the root PE to simultaneously ind=
icate a P2MP
> tunnel in transmit direction and an ingress-replication tunnel in the rec=
eive direction
> for the BUM traffic."

Let me see if I understand what you=92re saying:

If the C-bit is set, then the receive direction always has an IR tunnel.  T=
he type of the P2MP tunnel is defined by one of the other bits.  Is that ri=
ght?

That=92s correct. The remaining 7 bits indicate the type of tunnel.

If so, are all the other bits valid (always)?  The text already says that 0=
x00/0x06 are invalid, but, for example, what about 0x07 (mLDP MP2MP LSP) or=
 0x0A (Assisted-Replication Tunnel [draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir])?

How can you be sure that any other type besides 0x00/0x06 will be ok?

 Basically composite tunnel type doesn=92t make sense when ingress replicat=
ion (0x06) is used or when tunnel info is not present (0x00). Other than th=
at, it can be used with other tunnel types.

=85
> > M8.4. What is 0x7F reserved for?  It doesn=92t seem to be used in this =
document.  Why
> > a different registration procedure?
>
> 0x7F just replaces 0x0F - i.e.  No new registration procedure

0x0F is currently Unassigned, not Reserved.

I meant to say 0xFF. Basically the existing experimental types 0xFB =96 0xF=
E and reserved type of 0xFF has moved to new code points of: 0x7B =96 0x7E =
and 0x7F.

=85
> > P17. The 'Updates: ' line in the draft header should list only the _num=
bers_ of the
> > RFCs which will be updated by this document (if approved); it should no=
t include the
> > word 'RFC' in the list.
>
> Done. Also added 6514 to the list.

Hmm...  I don=92t see how this document Updates rfc6514=85.??

On the 2nd thought, it doesn=92t updated it because the whole purpose of C-=
bit is backward compatibility. So no updates to rfc6514. I removed it from =
the text.

But if it does, you need to include some text about it in both the Abstract=
 and the Introduction.  BTW, please add something about the Update to rfc73=
85 in the Introduction.

Added a sentence to the introduction in last paragraph.

> > P18. There is no reference to rfc5226.
>
> Done.

This one must be Normative.

Done.


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<div>Hi Alvaro,</div>
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</div>
<div>I am still waiting for your feedback. Is there any additional question=
s/comments that I need to address.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>BTW, besides this draft, we are also waiting for your feedback on even=
-overlay draft.</div>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>Cisco Employee &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto=
:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org">draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org</=
a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org">draft-i=
etf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-ch=
airs@ietf.org">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-ch=
airs@ietf.org">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@i=
etf.org">bess@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org">bess@=
ietf.org</a>&gt;,
 Thomas Morin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.morin@orange.com">thomas.morin@o=
range.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: AD Review of draft-iet=
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On 5/9/17, 8:51 PM, &quot;Ali Sajassi (sajassi)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ali:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We=92re on the right path, but not there yet.&nbsp; =
Please see my comments inline below.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alvaro.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;<=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">=85</sp=
an><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; M1. Both the Introduction and the Abstract mention that =93this document=
 discusses
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; how the functional requirements for E-Tree service can be easily met=85=
=94&nbsp; It seems to
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; me that RFC7387 is used as the building block for this document.&nbsp; W=
hy is it not a
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; Normative reference?</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt;&nb=
sp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">Because RFC7387 is informat=
ional RFC (and the framework RFC) and the idnits
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">complains of a downref:&nbs=
p;Normative reference to an informational RFC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The status of an RFC is not an indicator of how it s=
hould be referenced =96 complaints from idnits is not an excuse.&nbsp; IOW,=
 there is nothing that prevents an Informational document to be referenced =
as Normative =96 we just need to take care
 of the process: not a big deal, but important.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Let me rephrase.&nbsp; Is rfc7387 a document that =
=93that must be read to understand or implement=94 [1] what is specified in=
 this document?&nbsp; Because of how rfc7387 is positioned in the Abstract/=
Introduction, it seems to me that the framework must
 be read to then understand how this document addresses it: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">=93&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A solution<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">&nbsp;&nbsp; fram=
ework for supporting this service in MPLS networks is proposed in<o:p></o:p=
></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">&nbsp;&nbsp; <a h=
ref=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7387"><span style=3D"color:windowtext=
">RFC7387</span></a> (&quot;A Framework for Ethernet Tree (E-Tree) Service =
over a<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">&nbsp;&nbsp; Mult=
iprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Network&quot;). This document<o:p></o:p></=
span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">&nbsp;&nbsp; disc=
usses how those functional requirements can be easily met with<o:p></o:p></=
span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">&nbsp;&nbsp; Ethe=
rnet VPN (EVPN) and how EVPN offers a more efficient<o:p></o:p></span></pre=
>
<pre><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">&nbsp;&nbsp; impl=
ementation of these functions.=94<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:black">[1] <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statem=
ent/normative-informative.html">
https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/normative-informative.html</a> &nbsp;<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p><font color=3D"#ff0000"><font face=3D"Calibri,s=
ans-serif" size=3D"3">It is a bit&nbsp;</font><font size=3D"3">subjective i=
n this case but to be safe and assuming the readers don=92t have any backgr=
ound in E-TREE (which has been around for a long
 time&nbsp;=96&nbsp;e.g.,&nbsp;private VLAN),&nbsp;I have moved it to the n=
ormative section.</font></font></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; M2. There is no reference to E-Tree.&nbsp; Please add a Normative one.</=
span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt;&nb=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">Added a reference for E-TRE=
E definition in MEF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This reference needs to be Normative =96 see above.<=
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<div><font color=3D"#ff0000">Done.</font></div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">=85&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; M6. Definition of the E-TREE Extended Community</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; M6.1. Only one Flag is defined.&nbsp; What about the others?&nbsp; Pleas=
e set up a registry.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
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pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">If needed in the future, we=
 will setup a registry.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please set it up now.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div><font color=3D"#ff0000">OK,&nbsp;I will set it up.</font></div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; M7.1. It is not clear to me how the C bit is to be used.&nbsp; Section 5=
.2 says that =93the high-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; order bit of the tunnel type field (C bit - Composite tunnel bit) is set=
 while the
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; remaining low-order seven bits indicate the tunnel type as before.=94&nb=
sp;&nbsp; But 3.3.1 says
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; that the =93new composite tunnel type is advertised by the root PE to si=
multaneously
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; indicate a P2MP tunnel in transmit direction and an ingress-replication =
tunnel in the
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; receive direction=85=94.&nbsp; Knowing, from 5.2 that when the C bit is =
set =93Tunnel
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; Types=850x06 'Ingress Replication' is invalid=94, then does the C bit ha=
ve a set meaning
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; or ???&nbsp;&nbsp; [BTW, s/is/are]</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt=
;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt;&nb=
sp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">The description in section =
3.3.1 is consistent with this section 5.2. Basically, Composite
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">Tunnel type, as its name im=
plies consist of two tunnels: a P2MP tunnel in the transmit
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">direction and a MP2P tunnel=
 in the receive direction. The MP2P tunnel in the receive
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">direction is used by Leaf&n=
bsp;PE devices for their BUM traffic transmission. The &quot;ingress
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">replication tunnel type=94&=
nbsp;is not valid because for that we don=92t need composite tunnel
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">type!!</span><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">I added the following sente=
nce to the 1st&nbsp;paragraph to clarify it &nbsp;more:</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">&quot;Composite tunnel type=
 is advertised by the root PE to simultaneously indicate a P2MP
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">tunnel in transmit directio=
n and an ingress-replication tunnel in the receive direction
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">for the BUM traffic.&quot;<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Let me see if I understand what you=92re saying:<o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If the C-bit is set, then the receive direction alwa=
ys has an IR tunnel.&nbsp; The type of the P2MP tunnel is defined by one of=
 the other bits.&nbsp; Is that right?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div><font color=3D"#ff0000">That=92s correct. The remaining 7 bits indicat=
e the type of tunnel.&nbsp;</font></div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If so, are all the other bits valid (always)?&nbsp; =
The text already says that 0x00/0x06 are invalid, but, for example, what ab=
out 0x07 (mLDP MP2MP LSP) or 0x0A (Assisted-Replication Tunnel [draft-ietf-=
bess-evpn-optimized-ir])? &nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How can you be sure that any other type besides 0x00=
/0x06 will be ok?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif" size=3D"3">&n=
bsp;</font><font color=3D"#ff0000"><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif" size=
=3D"3">Basically composite tunnel type doesn</font><font size=3D"3">=92</fo=
nt><font face=3D"Calibri,sans-serif" size=3D"3">t make sense
 when ingress replication (0x06) is used or when tunnel info is not present=
 (0x00). Other than that, it can be used with other tunnel types.&nbsp;</fo=
nt></font></o:p></p>
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(0, 0, 0);">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">=85</sp=
an><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; M8.4. What is 0x7F reserved for?&nbsp; It doesn=92t seem to be used in t=
his document.&nbsp; Why
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; a different registration procedure?</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt;&nb=
sp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"color:red">0x7F just replaces 0x0F -&nbsp;i.e. &nbsp;No=
 new registration procedure<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">0x0F is currently Unassigned, not Reserved.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
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</span>
<div><font color=3D"#ff0000">I meant to say 0xFF. Basically the existing ex=
perimental types 0xFB&nbsp;=96&nbsp;0xFE and reserved type of 0xFF has move=
d to new code points of: 0x7B&nbsp;=96&nbsp;0x7E and 0x7F.</font></div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;<=
/span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">=85&nbs=
p;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; P17. The 'Updates: ' line in the draft header should list only the _numb=
ers_ of the
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; RFCs which will be updated by this document (if approved); it should not=
 include the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; word 'RFC' in the list.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:blac=
k"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt;&nb=
sp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
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<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb=
(0, 0, 0);">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">Done. Also added 6514 to th=
e list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hmm...&nbsp; I don=92t see how this document Updates=
 rfc6514=85.??<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><font color=3D"#ff0000">On the 2nd thought, it doesn=92t updated it be=
cause the whole purpose of C-bit is backward&nbsp;compatibility. So no upda=
tes to rfc6514.&nbsp;I removed it from the text.</font></div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But if it does, you need to include some text about =
it in both the Abstract and the Introduction.&nbsp; BTW, please add somethi=
ng about the Update to rfc7385 in the Introduction.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div><font color=3D"#ff0000">Added a sentence to the&nbsp;introduction in l=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; P18. There is no reference to rfc5226.&nbsp;
</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt;&nb=
sp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">Done.</span><span style=3D"=
font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">This one must be Normati=
ve.</span></p>
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<div><font color=3D"#ff0000">Done.</font></div>
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Not aware of any IPR on this draft.

-Ali

On 6/6/17, 6:02 PM, "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com> wrote:

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>Support as a co-author.
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>-Ali
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>On 6/6/17, 6:44 AM, "thomas.morin@orange.com" <thomas.morin@orange.com>
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>>Hello working group,
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>>This email starts a two-week call for adoption on
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>>[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rabadan-bess-evpn-pref-df/
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Hi Alvaro,

Regarding your two remaining comments, let me address them directly here:

1)  I will get a registry for them set up when there will be more than one =
flag. Currently, there is only a single flag defined and we do not anticipa=
te any additional flags at this point.

2) regarding removing P2MP mention (so that it get generalized to MP2MP), I=
 will do that but will add a sentence to say the other tunnel types that ar=
e supported by EVPN - e.g., currently P2MP are supported but in the future =
MP2MP can also be supported. So, I don't wan to exclude MP2MP. I can add hi=
s sentence during the RFC editing phase, is that OK?

Cheers,
Ali


From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com<mailto:aretana@cisco.com=
>>
Date: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 5:10 AM
To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>, "draft-ie=
tf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org>" <d=
raft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.o=
rg>>
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ss@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>>, Thomas Morin <thomas.morin@orange.com<m=
ailto:thomas.morin@orange.com>>
Subject: Re: AD Review of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-09

On 5/12/17, 7:15 PM, "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:saja=
ssi@cisco.com>> wrote:

Ali:

Hi!  Sorry for the long RTT, busy days...

I have two remaining comments (below).  Once the registry is defined, then =
we can start the IESTF LC.

Thanks!

Alvaro.


...
> > > M6. Definition of the E-TREE Extended Community
> > >
> > > M6.1. Only one Flag is defined.  What about the others?  Please set u=
p a registry.
> >
> > If needed in the future, we will setup a registry.
>
> Please set it up now.
>
> OK, I will set it up.

Please do.


...
> > > M7.1. It is not clear to me how the C bit is to be used.  Section 5.2=
 says that "the high-
> > > order bit of the tunnel type field (C bit - Composite tunnel bit) is =
set while the
> > > remaining low-order seven bits indicate the tunnel type as before."  =
 But 3.3.1 says
> > > that the "new composite tunnel type is advertised by the root PE to s=
imultaneously
> > > indicate a P2MP tunnel in transmit direction and an ingress-replicati=
on tunnel in the
> > > receive direction...".  Knowing, from 5.2 that when the C bit is set =
"Tunnel
> > > Types...0x06 'Ingress Replication' is invalid", then does the C bit h=
ave a set meaning
> > > or ???   [BTW, s/is/are]
> >
> > The description in section 3.3.1 is consistent with this section 5.2. B=
asically, Composite
> > Tunnel type, as its name implies consist of two tunnels: a P2MP tunnel =
in the transmit
> > direction and a MP2P tunnel in the receive direction. The MP2P tunnel i=
n the receive
> > direction is used by Leaf PE devices for their BUM traffic transmission=
. The "ingress
> > replication tunnel type" is not valid because for that we don't need co=
mposite tunnel
> > type!!
> > I added the following sentence to the 1st paragraph to clarify it  more=
:
> > "Composite tunnel type is advertised by the root PE to simultaneously i=
ndicate a P2MP
> > tunnel in transmit direction and an ingress-replication tunnel in the r=
eceive direction
> > for the BUM traffic."
>
> Let me see if I understand what you're saying:
>
> If the C-bit is set, then the receive direction always has an IR tunnel.
> The type of the P2MP tunnel is defined by one of the other bits.  Is that=
 right?
>
> That's correct. The remaining 7 bits indicate the type of tunnel.
>
> If so, are all the other bits valid (always)?  The text already says that=
 0x00/0x06 are
> invalid, but, for example, what about 0x07 (mLDP MP2MP LSP) or 0x0A (Assi=
sted-Replication
>  Tunnel [draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir])?
>
> How can you be sure that any other type besides 0x00/0x06 will be ok?
>
> Basically composite tunnel type doesn't make sense when ingress replicati=
on (0x06)
> is used or when tunnel info is not present (0x00). Other than that, it ca=
n be used with
> other tunnel types.

I was asking about 0x07 because that is a MP2MP LSP, and the text says that=
 the bits "indicate a P2MP tunnel":  P2MP, but not other types.  Maybe the =
solution is to just say "indicate a tunnel".

You said that IR doesn't make sense, but "optimized IR" does?  I'll take yo=
ur work for it...

Just double checking, no change needed (except s/P2MP//) if any other tunne=
l can be used.




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the future MP2MP can also be supported.
 So, I don&#8217;t wan to exclude MP2MP. I can add his sentence during the =
RFC editing phase, is that OK?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Ali&nbsp;</div>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>&quot;Alvaro Retana (aretana)=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aretana@cisco.com">aretana@cisco.com</a>&gt;<b=
r>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 5:=
10 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>Cisco Employee &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto=
:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org">draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org</=
a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org">draft-i=
etf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-ch=
airs@ietf.org">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-ch=
airs@ietf.org">bess-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@i=
etf.org">bess@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org">bess@=
ietf.org</a>&gt;,
 Thomas Morin &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thomas.morin@orange.com">thomas.morin@o=
range.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: AD Review of draft-iet=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 5/12/17, 7:15 PM, &quot;Ali Sajassi (sajassi)&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sajassi@cisco.com">sajassi@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote=
:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ali:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi!&nbsp; Sorry for the long RTT, busy days&#8230;<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have two remaining comments (below).&nbsp; Once th=
e registry is defined, then we can start the IESTF LC.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alvaro.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&#8230;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; &gt; M6. Definition of the E-TREE Extended Community</span><span style=
=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; &gt;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; &gt; M6.1. Only one Flag is defined.&nbsp; What about the others?&nbsp; =
Please set up a registry.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span st=
yle=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">If needed in the futur=
e, we will setup a registry.&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt;</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"=
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"color:black">Please set it up now.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt;</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=
=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:red">OK,&=
nbsp;I will set it up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;">Please do.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quo=
t;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&#8230;=
&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; &gt; M7.1. It is not clear to me how the C bit is to be used.&nbsp; Sect=
ion 5.2 says that &#8220;the high-</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; &gt; order bit of the tunnel type field (C bit - Composite tunnel bit) i=
s set while the
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; &gt; remaining low-order seven bits indicate the tunnel type as before.&=
#8221;&nbsp;&nbsp; But 3.3.1 says
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; &gt; that the &#8220;new composite tunnel type is advertised by the root=
 PE to simultaneously
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; &gt; indicate a P2MP tunnel in transmit direction and an ingress-replica=
tion tunnel in the
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; &gt; receive direction&#8230;&#8221;.&nbsp; Knowing, from 5.2 that when =
the C bit is set &#8220;Tunnel
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; &gt; Types&#8230;0x06 'Ingress Replication' is invalid&#8221;, then does=
 the C bit have a set meaning
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; &gt; or ???&nbsp;&nbsp; [BTW, s/is/are]</span><span style=3D"color:black=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t;&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">The description in sec=
tion 3.3.1 is consistent with this section 5.2. Basically, Composite
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">Tunnel type, as its na=
me implies consist of two tunnels: a P2MP tunnel in the transmit
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">direction and a MP2P t=
unnel in the receive direction. The MP2P tunnel in the receive
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">direction is used by L=
eaf&nbsp;PE devices for their BUM traffic transmission. The &quot;ingress
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">replication tunnel typ=
e&#8221;&nbsp;is not valid because for that we don&#8217;t need composite t=
unnel
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">type!!</span><span sty=
le=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">I added the following =
sentence to the 1st&nbsp;paragraph to clarify it &nbsp;more:</span><span st=
yle=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">&quot;Composite tunnel=
 type is advertised by the root PE to simultaneously indicate a P2MP
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">tunnel in transmit dir=
ection and an ingress-replication tunnel in the receive direction
</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &g=
t; </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">for the BUM traffic.&q=
uot;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt;</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"=
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"color:black">Let me see if I understand what you&#8217;=
re saying:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt;</s=
pan><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"color:black">If the C-bit is set, then the receive dire=
ction always has an IR tunnel.&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"color:black">The type of the P2MP tunnel is defined by =
one of the other bits.&nbsp; Is that right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt;</s=
pan><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:red">That=
&#8217;s correct. The remaining 7 bits indicate the type of tunnel.&nbsp;</=
span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;"><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt;</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"color:black">If so, are all the other bits valid (alway=
s)?&nbsp; The text already says that 0x00/0x06 are
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"color:black">invalid, but, for example, what about 0x07=
 (mLDP MP2MP LSP) or 0x0A (Assisted-Replication
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; &n=
bsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black">Tunnel [draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimiz=
ed-ir])? &nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt;</s=
pan><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"color:black">How can you be sure that any other type be=
sides 0x00/0x06 will be ok?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt;</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:red">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"=
color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt;</s=
pan>&nbsp;<span style=3D"color:red">Basically composite tunnel type doesn&#=
8217;t make sense when ingress replication (0x06)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"color:red">is used or when tunnel info is not present (=
0x00). Other than that, it can be used with
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&gt; </=
span><span style=3D"color:red">other tunnel types.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I was asking about 0x07 because that is a MP2MP LSP,=
 and the text says that the bits &#8220;indicate a P2MP tunnel&#8221;:&nbsp=
; P2MP, but not other types.&nbsp; Maybe the solution is to just say &#8220=
;indicate a tunnel&#8221;.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You said that IR doesn&#8217;t make sense, but &#822=
0;optimized IR&#8221; does?&nbsp; I&#8217;ll take your work for it&#8230;</=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Just double checking, no change needed (except s/P2M=
P//) if any other tunnel can be used.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;<=
/span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
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To: "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com>, "draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org>
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Hi Tsuno,
    Got this. I will be working on this. It is massive-
40 pages. I hope to get back to you on this by the end
of next week.

Cheers,

Glenn
On 2017/06/07 1:22, Hiroshi Tsunoda wrote:
> Hi Glenn,
> 
> I posted a new revision (-04) of MVPN-MIB document.
> In this revision, "Summary of MIB Module" has been rewritten.
> I hope this change improves the readability.
> 
> URL:        https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04.txt
> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04
> Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04
> Diff:          https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04
> 
> Please see notes below for other changes.
> 
> 2017-03-01 16:00 GMT+01:00 Hiroshi Tsunoda <tsuno@m.ieice.org>:
>>> 1.  Abstract:
>>> 1.2 "In particular, it describes managed objects to configure and/or
>>>      monitor Multicast in MPLS/BGP IP VPNs (MVPN) on a router."
>>>     Is this for any router or, a "Provider Edge" router ?
>>>     Please fix accordingly.
>>
>> This point will be fixed in the next revision.
> 
> Fixed. "Provide Edge" router is correct.
> 
>>> 2.  Introduction
>>>     Are the objects "generic" to PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN or "common"
>>>     to  PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN ? Please change accordingly.
>>
>> This point will be fixed in the next revision.
> 
> Fixed. "common" is correct.
> 
>>> 2.5 The terminology section is a bit terse. Explaining the terms
>>>     that are used, with reference to the protocol documents will
>>>     improve readability.
>>>     e.g.
>>>      - MVPN, PE, PMSI/tunnels,
>>>      - C-multicast routing exchange protocol (PIM or BGP),
>>>        C-multicast states
>>>      - I-PMSI, S-PMSI, provider tunnels
>>
>> Partially fixed. I will give more detailed explanation in the next revision.
> 
> I have added some more explanation in this revision.
> 
>>> 3.  MVPN MIB.
>>>     This gives the overview of the MVPN MIB.
>>>     The MIB module aims to provide "configuring and/or monitoring"
>>> 3.1 In
>>>      "This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs on PE
>>>      devices: the whole multicast VPN machinery....."
>>>     "the whole multicast VPN machinery" is very difficult to define.
>>>     Please use precisely defined terms.
>>> 3.2 In "To represent them,...."
>>>     "them" seems ambiguous, please clarify.
>>> 3.3 The diagram needs some explanation.
>>>     What do the boxes represent? Tables ? The labels are meant to be
>>>     table names ? The table names do not match the labels.
>>>     What do the arrows signify? Please explain.
>>> 3.4 The short explanation of the tables could be augmented with some
>>>     information on what they represent and an idea of how they will
>>>     be used. ( RFC 4382 provides a good example).
> 
> I have rewritten "Sec.3.1 Summary of MIB Module".
> Eight tables can be categorized into two groups: tables for configuration and
> tables for monitoring.
> In this revision, the diagram representing the relationship among tables is
> divided to two separated diagrams based on the roles of tables.
> 
>>> MIB definitions:
>>> 7. Wherever possible, please provide references for objects used in the
>>>     MIB. The references will point to specific sections/sub-sections of
>>>     RFCs defining the protocol for which the MIB is being designed.
>>
>> This will be addressed in the next revision.
> 
> I have added some references but more are required.
> I will keep working on this.
> 
>>> 8. MOs.
>>> 8.2 mvpnMvrfNumber OBJECT-TYPE
>>>        SYNTAX         Unsigned32
>>>        DESCRIPTION
>>>            "The total number of MVRFs that are present on this device,
>>>             whether for IPv4, IPv6, or mLDP C-Multicast."
>>>     o Please make the description precise. E.g. if it is the sum of
>>>       IPv4 MVRFs, IPv6 MVRFs and mLDP C-Multicast MVRFs state it
>>>       explicitly.
>>>     o The expression "present on this device" is used.
>>>       Does "present" imply "configured" MVRFs or "active" MVRFs.
>>>       If it is number of active MVRFs then one would expect that
>>>       the number will vary (increase or decrease). If that is the
>>>       case:
>>>       replace
>>>        SYNTAX        Unsigned32
>>>       by
>>>        SYNTAX        Gauge32
> 
> I will try to update description in the next revision.
> 
>>> 8.5 mvpnGenOperStatusChange OBJECT-TYPE
>>>         SYNTAX      INTEGER { createdMvrf(1),
>>>                               deletedMvrf(2),
>>>                               modifiedMvrfIpmsiConfig(3),
>>>                              modifiedMvrfSpmsiConfig(4)
>>>                             }
>>>        DESCRIPTION
>>>            "This object describes the last operational change that
>>>     o The name does not look right. From the SYNTAX and the DESCRIPTION
>>>       it appears that this is about config or MVRF change rather than
>>>       "OperStatus" change. Please check and fix.
>>>     o Please confirm that the values in the row itself will not be changed
>>>       after creation. ( you do not have a 'modifiedMvrfConfig')
> 
> The name has been changed into mvpnGenMvrfStatusChange.
> The name of the related object (mvpnGenOperStatusChangeTime) has
> also been changed into mvpnGenMvrfStatusChangeTime.
> 
>>> 8.6 mvpnGenCmcastRouteProtocol OBJECT-TYPE
>>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>>>        ::= { mvpnGeneralEntry 4 }
>>>     o You cannot have MAX-ACCESS    read-write for a row that may be
>>>       dynamically created.
>>>       Replace
>>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>>>       by
>>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-create
>>>       if you want to dynamically change that value, otherwise,
>>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-only
>>>       will suffice.
> 
> Fixed. Now, "MAX-ACCESS    read-create" is used.
> 
>>> 8.8 mvpnGenIpmsiConfig OBJECT-TYPE
>>>         DESCRIPTION
>>>            "This points to a row in mvpnPmsiConfigTable,
>>>             for I-PMSI configuration."
>>>     o Please specify the expected behaviour when it is not an I-PMSI
>>> 8.9 mvpnGenInterAsPmsiConfig
>>>     o same comment as above
> 
> These will be addressed in the next revision.
> 
>>> 8.10 mvpnGenRowStatus
>>>     mvpnGenRowStatus OBJECT-TYPE
>>>        SYNTAX        RowStatus
>>>        DESCRIPTION
>>>            "This is used to create or delete a row in this table."
>>>     o The description is inadequate for an implementor (and
>>>       others too).
>>>     o You must have a mvpnGenRowStorageType or the DESCRIPTION of
>>>       mvpnGenRowStatus must indicate what will happen to the row
>>>       after an agent restart
> 
> I will try to address this comment in the next revision.
> 
>>> 9. Similar comments (8.1 ~ 8.10) for the remaining tables in the MIB
>>>     Particularly 8.10 for the RowStatus type objects
>>>                          mvpnGenRowStatus
>>>                         mvpnPmsiConfigRowStatus
>>>                         mvpnSpmsiConfigRowStatus.
>>>    Please check and fix.
> 
> I will try to address this comment in the next revision.
> 
>>> 10. mvpnMvrfChange NOTIFICATION-TYPE
>>>         OBJECTS     {
>>>                      mvpnGenOperStatusChange
>>>                    }
>>>        ::= { mvpnNotifications 2 }
>>>
>>>     o should be  { mvpnNotifications 1 }
>>>     o Include the MOs that the administrator/manager may want to
>>>       see in OBJECTS.
> 
> The first comment is addressed, the second one is TBD.
> 
>>> 11. The Security Considerations section does not follow the Security
>>>      Guidelines for IETF MIB Modules
>>>      http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/mib-security.
>>
> I rewrite this part according to the guideline described in RFC4181 Sec.3.4.
> However, there are some TBDs in this part that should be updated according
> to the update in the main body of MIB module.
> 
>>> 12.  COMPLIANCE.
>>> 12.1 You seem to mandate MAX-ACCESS read-write/read-create for
>>>       compliance. Is this intended? Configuration capability MUST be
>>>       supported?  Please note that sec 2.  MVPN MIB says
>>>       "This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs ..."
>>>      The current compliance requirement contradicts the above claim.
>>>      Please check and fix.
>>>
>>>      It is general and sound practice to allow for MAX-ACCESS
>>>      read-only compliance. Some implementations may support
>>>      monitoring but not configuration.
>>>      Please check and fix.
> 
> In this revision, I have added additional ReadOnly compliance
> Now, there are following two MODULE-COMPLIANCE statements
> are defined in this module.
>   - mvpnModuleFullCompliance
>   - mvpnModuleReadOnlyCompliance
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> -- tsuno
> 
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Hello Working Group,

This email starts a Working Group Last Call on 
draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-02 [1] which is considered mature and ready 
for a final working group review.

¤ Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent
version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
*26th of June*.
Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is 
also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as a Proposed 
Standard RFC.

¤ *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that 
applies to draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp, to ensure that IPR has been 
disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 
and 5378 for more details).

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Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document 
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¤ We are also polling for knowledge of implementations of part or all of 
what this document specifies. This information is expected as per [2]. 
Please inform the mailing list, or the chairs, or only one of the chairs.


Thank you,
M&T

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp/
[2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw


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WG, Authors/Contributors, this is a reminder.
Thank you
-m


Le 06/06/2017 à 16:11, Martin Vigoureux a écrit :
> Hello Working Group,
>
> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 [1] which is considered mature and ready
> for a final working group review.
>
> Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent
> version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
> *20th of June*.
> Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is
> also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an
> Informational RFC.
>
> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
> applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage, to ensure that IPR has been
> disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
> and 5378 for more details).
>
> If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of
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> whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
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> Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document
> or its earlier versions.
>
> As opposed to the policy [2], we are not polling for knowledge of
> implementations as it does not seem to make sense in that case. If you
> feel otherwise, please let us know.
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> Thank you,
> M&T
>
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/
> [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw
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As a co-author, I support publication of this document as a Proposed Standa=
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I am not aware of any relevant IPR

Thanks,
Jose

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Subject: [bess] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp

Hello Working Group,

This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-02 [1] which is considered mature and ready for =
a final working group review.

=A4 Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent version y=
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=A4 *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that app=
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[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp/
[2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw

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Hi Martin,

I'm not aware of any IPR.

Thanks,

Sami

> On Jun 12, 2017, at 9:27 AM, Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>=
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Full support of this document for RFC publication.  As a co-author, I am
not aware of any IPR related to this document.

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Martin Vigoureux <
martin.vigoureux@nokia.com> wrote:

> Hello Working Group,
>
> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 [1] which is considered mature and ready for
> a final working group review.
>
> Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent
> version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
> *20th of June*.
> Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is
> also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an
> Informational RFC.
>
> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
> applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage, to ensure that IPR has been
> disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and
> 5378 for more details).
>
> If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of
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> whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
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> its earlier versions.
>
> As opposed to the policy [2], we are not polling for knowledge of
> implementations as it does not seem to make sense in that case. If you feel
> otherwise, please let us know.
>
> Thank you,
> M&T
>
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/
> [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Full support of this document for RFC publication.=C2=A0 A=
s a co-author, I am not aware of any IPR related to this document.</div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 =
at 10:11 AM, Martin Vigoureux <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:marti=
n.vigoureux@nokia.com" target=3D"_blank">martin.vigoureux@nokia.com</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello Working Group,<br>
<br>
This email starts a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-0=
4 [1] which is considered mature and ready for a final working group review=
.<br>
<br>
Please read this document if you haven&#39;t read the most recent<br>
version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than<br>
*20th of June*.<br>
Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is als=
o a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an Informational =
RFC.<br>
<br>
*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies=
 to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in co=
mpliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more d=
etails).<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of<br>
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 please respond to this email and indicate whe=
ther or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.<br>
<br>
Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document or =
its earlier versions.<br>
<br>
As opposed to the policy [2], we are not polling for knowledge of implement=
ations as it does not seem to make sense in that case. If you feel otherwis=
e, please let us know.<br>
<br>
Thank you,<br>
M&amp;T<br>
<br>
[1] <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/=
" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/d<wbr>o=
c/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/</a><br>
[2] <a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg5=
6SEdkjqDpw" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://mailarchive.ietf.o=
rg/a<wbr>rch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg5<wbr>6SEdkjqDpw</a><br>
<br>
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Yes. I support to move this forward.

Regards -- Aldrin
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 3:39 PM UTTARO, JAMES <ju1738@att.com> wrote:

> *Fully support as co-author..I am not aware of any IPR related to this
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> Internet Engineering Task Force
> *Sent:* Monday, June 12, 2017 3:29 PM
> *To:* Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>
> *Cc:* BESS <bess@ietf.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [bess] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage
>
>
>
> Full support of this document for RFC publication.  As a co-author, I am
> not aware of any IPR related to this document.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Martin Vigoureux <
> martin.vigoureux@nokia.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Working Group,
>
> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 [1] which is considered mature and ready fo=
r
> a final working group review.
>
> Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent
> version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
> *20th of June*.
> Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is
> also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an
> Informational RFC.
>
> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
> applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage, to ensure that IPR has been
> disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 an=
d
> 5378 for more details).
>
> If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 please respond to this email and indicate
> whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
>
> Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document o=
r
> its earlier versions.
>
> As opposed to the policy [2], we are not polling for knowledge of
> implementations as it does not seem to make sense in that case. If you fe=
el
> otherwise, please let us know.
>
> Thank you,
> M&T
>
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/
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> [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDp=
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Yes. I support to move this forward. <br><br>Regards -- Aldrin<br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 3:39 PM UTTARO, =
JAMES &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ju1738@att.com">ju1738@att.com</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





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<div class=3D"m_-2925956634884904447WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#44546a">Fully support as co-author..I a=
m not aware of any IPR related to this document..<u></u><u></u></span></i><=
/b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></i>=
</b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#44546a">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></i=
></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#44546a">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Jim Uttaro<u><=
/u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></i>=
</b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> BESS [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto=
:bess-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Senad IETF - Internet Engineering Task Force<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 12, 2017 3:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Martin Vigoureux &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin.vigoureux@nokia.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">martin.vigoureux@nokia.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess=
@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bess] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage<u></=
u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"=
purple"><div class=3D"m_-2925956634884904447WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Full support of this document for RFC publication.=
=C2=A0 As a co-author, I am not aware of any IPR related to this document.<=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Martin Vigoureux &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:martin.vigoureux@nokia.com" target=3D"_blank">martin.vi=
goureux@nokia.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hello Working Group,<br>
<br>
This email starts a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-0=
4 [1] which is considered mature and ready for a final working group review=
.<br>
<br>
Please read this document if you haven&#39;t read the most recent<br>
version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than<br>
*20th of June*.<br>
Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is als=
o a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an Informational =
RFC.<br>
<br>
*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies=
 to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in co=
mpliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more d=
etails).<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of<br>
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 please respond to this email and indicate whe=
ther or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.<br>
<br>
Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document or =
its earlier versions.<br>
<br>
As opposed to the policy [2], we are not polling for knowledge of implement=
ations as it does not seem to make sense in that case. If you feel otherwis=
e, please let us know.<br>
<br>
Thank you,<br>
M&amp;T<br>
<br>
[1] <a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datat=
racker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dbess-2Devpn-2Dusage_&amp;d=3DDwMFaQ&amp;=
c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&amp;r=3Ds7ZzB4JbPv3nYuoSx5Gy8Q&amp;m=3DNsXRNCpI-=
XG9vxejXm9NHxu1FVv_j2gAG3NSW3vZPh8&amp;s=3DRuJG5P3GiwU0kDVlo12PU41vXQ4DzY-_=
xqvgolWjkq4&amp;e=3D" target=3D"_blank">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/</a><br>
[2] <a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__maila=
rchive.ietf.org_arch_msg_bess_cG3X1tTqb-5FvPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw&amp;d=3DDwMFaQ&=
amp;c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&amp;r=3Ds7ZzB4JbPv3nYuoSx5Gy8Q&amp;m=3DNsXRN=
CpI-XG9vxejXm9NHxu1FVv_j2gAG3NSW3vZPh8&amp;s=3DtLVXhULe4bJzbVBsBOybultgu62E=
reH6szg5v5-j5As&amp;e=3D" target=3D"_blank">
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw</a><=
br>
<br>
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To: Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>, BESS <bess@ietf.org>
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I support publication of this document. I am not aware of any IPR related
to this doc that hasn=B9t already been disclosed.

Regards,
Ali

On 6/6/17, 7:11 AM, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux"
<bess-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of martin.vigoureux@nokia.com> wrote:

>Hello Working Group,
>
>This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
>draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 [1] which is considered mature and ready
>for a final working group review.
>
>Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent
>version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
>*20th of June*.
>Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is
>also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an
>Informational RFC.
>
>*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
>applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage, to ensure that IPR has been
>disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
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>Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document
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>As opposed to the policy [2], we are not polling for knowledge of
>implementations as it does not seem to make sense in that case. If you
>feel otherwise, please let us know.
>
>Thank you,
>M&T
>
>[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/
>[2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw
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Yes/support 

Regards,
Jeff

> On Jun 12, 2017, at 23:40, 
> On 6/6/17, 10:11 AM, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux"
> <bess-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of martin.vigoureux@nokia.com> wrote:
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>> Hello Working Group,
>> 
>> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
>> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 [1] which is considered mature and ready
>> for a final working group review.
>> 
>> Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent
>> version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
>> *20th of June*.
>> Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is
>> also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an
>> Informational RFC.
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>> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
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>> Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document
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>> As opposed to the policy [2], we are not polling for knowledge of
>> implementations as it does not seem to make sense in that case. If you
>> feel otherwise, please let us know.
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>> Thank you,
>> M&T
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>> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/
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Subject: [bess] Protocol Action: 'Virtual Private Wire Service support in Ethernet VPN' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpws-14.txt)
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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Virtual Private Wire Service support in Ethernet VPN'
  (draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpws-14.txt) as Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the BGP Enabled ServiceS Working Group.

The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, Alia Atlas and Deborah Brungard.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpws/





Technical Summary

   This document describes how EVPN can be used to support Virtual
   Private Wire Service (VPWS) in MPLS/IP networks. EVPN enables the
   following characteristics for VPWS: single-active as well as all-
   active multi-homing with flow-based load-balancing, eliminates the
   need for traditional way of Pseudowire (PW) signaling, and provides
   fast protection convergence upon node or link failure.

Working Group Summary

  This document was processed by the bess WG; nothing
  specific to highlight.

Document Quality

  At least 3 major vendors have implemented this specification.

Personnel

   Document Shepherd: Jeffrey Zhang (zzhang@juniper.net)
   Responsible Area Director: Alvaro Retana (aretana@cisco.com)


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Subject: Re: [bess] Call for adoption: draft-rabadan-bess-evpn-pref-df
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Support, even though I'm not a co-author.

Provides a solution to a real problem.


On 6/6/2017 9:44 AM, thomas.morin@orange.com wrote:
> Hello working group,
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> This email starts a two-week call for adoption on
> draft-rabadan-bess-evpn-pref-df-02 [1] as a Working Group Document.
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> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rabadan-bess-evpn-pref-df/
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yes/support

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        >[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp/
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I also support this draft as ready for publication.

Cheers,
Andy


On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:01 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

> Support
>
> On 6/12/17, 12:27 PM, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux"
> <bess-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of martin.vigoureux@nokia.com> wrote:
>
> >Hello Working Group,
> >
> >This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
> >draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-02 [1] which is considered mature and ready
> >for a final working group review.
> >
> >=C2=A4 Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent
> >version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
> >*26th of June*.
> >Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is
> >also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as a Proposed
> >Standard RFC.
> >
> >=C2=A4 *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR th=
at
> >applies to draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp, to ensure that IPR has been
> >disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
> >and 5378 for more details).
> >
> >If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of
> >draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-02 please respond to this email and indicate
> >whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
> >
> >Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document
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> >
> >=C2=A4 We are also polling for knowledge of implementations of part or a=
ll of
> >what this document specifies. This information is expected as per [2].
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> >
> >
> >Thank you,
> >M&T
> >
> >[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp/
> >[2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I also support this draft as ready for publication.<div><b=
r></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Andy</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:01 A=
M, Acee Lindem (acee) <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:acee@cisco.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">acee@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">Support<br>
<br>
On 6/12/17, 12:27 PM, &quot;BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux&quot;<br>
<span class=3D"im HOEnZb">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org">bess=
-bounces@ietf.org</a> on behalf of <a href=3D"mailto:martin.vigoureux@nokia=
.com">martin.vigoureux@nokia.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">&gt;Hello Working Group,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;This email starts a Working Group Last Call on<br>
&gt;draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-02 [1] which is considered mature and ready<=
br>
&gt;for a final working group review.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A4 Please read this document if you haven&#39;t read the most recen=
t<br>
&gt;version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than<br>
&gt;*26th of June*.<br>
&gt;Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is=
<br>
&gt;also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as a Proposed=
<br>
&gt;Standard RFC.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A4 *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR t=
hat<br>
&gt;applies to draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp, to ensure that IPR has been<br>
&gt;disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669<=
br>
&gt;and 5378 for more details).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of<br>
&gt;draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-02 please respond to this email and indicate=
<br>
&gt;whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document=
<br>
&gt;or its earlier versions.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;=C2=A4 We are also polling for knowledge of implementations of part or =
all of<br>
&gt;what this document specifies. This information is expected as per [2].<=
br>
&gt;Please inform the mailing list, or the chairs, or only one of the chair=
s.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Thank you,<br>
&gt;M&amp;T<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;[1] <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-=
bgp/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/<wb=
r>doc/draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-<wbr>bgp/</a><br>
&gt;[2] <a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC=
4rg56SEdkjqDpw" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://mailarchive.ie=
tf.org/<wbr>arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_<wbr>vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;_____________________________<wbr>__________________<br>
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BIER, BESS, PIM

At BIER WG meeting, IETF97 in Chicago, we decided to move forward to WGLC for
some of our docs. We learned that even once published the IESG has a
process to change the track of the RFC if the WG makes the case to move the
work from Informational to Standards track. The feedback from operators is
that RFC status was more important than track, and we won't be able to meet
our charter requirements to change track without deployment experience and
operator support.

This email starts a two week timer for feedback on the draft:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-mvpn

WGLC to run in parallel in both BIER, BESS, and PIM WGs due to the scope of
the work.

Thanks,
Greg
(BIER Chairs)

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px">BIER, =
BESS, PIM</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px"><=
br></span></div><span style=3D"font-size:12.800000190734863px">At BIER WG m=
eeting, IETF97 in Chicago, we decided to move forward to=C2=A0</span><span =
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px">=C2=A0for some of our docs. We learned that even once published the IES=
G has a process to change the track of the RFC if the WG makes the case to =
move the work from Informational to Standards track. The feedback from oper=
ators is that RFC status was more important than track, and we won&#39;t be=
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xperience and operator support.</span><div style=3D"font-size:12.8000001907=
34863px"><div><br></div><div>This email starts a two week timer for feedbac=
k on the draft:</div><div><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft=
-ietf-bier-mvpn">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-mvpn</a><=
br></div><div><br></div><div><div>WGLC to run in parallel in both BIER, BES=
S, and PIM WGs due to the scope of the work.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank=
s,</div></div><div>Greg</div><div>(BIER Chairs)</div></div></div>

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Hello Working Group,

This email starts a Working Group Last Call on 
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir-01 [1] which is considered mature and 
ready for a final working group review.

Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent version 
yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than *30th of June*.
Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is 
also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as a Standard 
Track RFC.

*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that 
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T&M

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir/
[2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw


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Support as co-author as well. Not aware of any IPR.=20
- Ravi Shekhar.

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Subject: Re: [bess] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir

Support this document for Standard Track RFC publication as co-author.
Not aware of any IPR.

Already mentioned, Nokia SROS has an implementation.

Thank you.
Jorge


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Subject: Re: [bess] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir
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Yes -- support for publication.

Cheers,
Aldrin

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Subject: RE: WG Last Call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir

Support as co-author as well. Not aware of any IPR.
- Ravi Shekhar.

-----Original Message-----
From: BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rabadan, Jorge (Noki=
a - US/Mountain View)
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 11:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [bess] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir

Support this document for Standard Track RFC publication as co-author.
Not aware of any IPR.

Already mentioned, Nokia SROS has an implementation.

Thank you.
Jorge


On 6/16/17, 3:43 PM, "thomas.morin@orange.com" <thomas.morin@orange.com> wr=
ote:

    Hello Working Group,

    This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
    draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir-01 [1] which is considered mature and
    ready for a final working group review.

    Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent version
    yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than *30th of June*.
    Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is
    also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as a Standard
    Track RFC.

    *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
    applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir, to ensure that IPR has
    been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879,
    3669 and 5378 for more details).

    If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of the draft
    please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware
    of any relevant IPR.

    Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document
    or its earlier versions.

    We are **also polling for knowledge of implementations** of part or all
    of what this document specifies. This information is expected as per [2=
].
    Please inform the mailing list, or the chairs, or only one of the chair=
s.

    Thank you,
    T&M

    [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir/
    [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjq=
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<div>Yes -- support for publication. <br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Aldrin<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 16, 2017 11:46:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View); EXT - thomas.morin@or=
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- Ravi Shekhar.<br>
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tf.org</a>] On Behalf Of Rabadan, Jorge (Nokia - US/Mountain View)<br>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 11:35 AM<br>
To: EXT - thomas.morin@orange.com &lt;thomas.morin@orange.com&gt;; BESS &lt=
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Subject: Re: [bess] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir<br>
<br>
Support this document for Standard Track RFC publication as co-author.<br>
Not aware of any IPR.<br>
<br>
Already mentioned, Nokia SROS has an implementation.<br>
<br>
Thank you.<br>
Jorge<br>
<br>
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range.com&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hello Working Group,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This email starts a Working Group Last Call on <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir-01 [1] which is consid=
ered mature and <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ready for a final working group review.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Please read this document if you haven't read the most r=
ecent version <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than *=
30th of June*.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the =
document; it is <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; also a call for support (or not) to publish this documen=
t as a Standard <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Track RFC.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of a=
ny IPR that <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir, to ensure =
that IPR has <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RF=
Cs 3979, 4879, <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3669 and 5378 for more details).<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of=
 the draft <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; please respond to this email and indicate whether or not=
 you are aware <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; of any relevant IPR.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed agains=
t this document <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; or its earlier versions.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We are **also polling for knowledge of implementations**=
 of part or all <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; of what this document specifies. This information is exp=
ected as per [2].<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Please inform the mailing list, or the chairs, or only o=
ne of the chairs.<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thank you,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; T&amp;M<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [1] <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ie=
tf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir/">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir/</a><br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [2] <a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bes=
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https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw</a><=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
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Hi

I think this draft is mostly ready. I just have a couple of comments.

In section 1:
   This revision of the document does not specify the procedures
   necessary to support MVPN customers that are using BIDIR-PIM.  Those
   procedures will be added in a future revision.

Remove this text?

Section 2.1.  MPLS Label

Should one use different labels to distinguish address families in the same VRF?


The PTA must be present in Leaf A-D routes so one can know the BIER
prefix of the router joining. It might be obvious, but I think it is
worth pointing it out. It is specified for IR (in RFC 7988 section
4.1.1 it says: "Leaf A-D route MUST also contain a PTA"...

Stig


On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 3:01 PM, Greg Shepherd <gjshep@gmail.com> wrote:
> BIER, BESS, PIM
>
> At BIER WG meeting, IETF97 in Chicago, we decided to move forward to WGLC
> for some of our docs. We learned that even once published the IESG has a
> process to change the track of the RFC if the WG makes the case to move the
> work from Informational to Standards track. The feedback from operators is
> that RFC status was more important than track, and we won't be able to meet
> our charter requirements to change track without deployment experience and
> operator support.
>
> This email starts a two week timer for feedback on the draft:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bier-mvpn
>
> WGLC to run in parallel in both BIER, BESS, and PIM WGs due to the scope of
> the work.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
> (BIER Chairs)
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WG,

we haven't receive any feedback.
I'll proceed with asking for the code points allocation.

-m

Le 01/06/2017 à 12:29, Martin Vigoureux a écrit :
> Dear WG,
>
> we have received an early allocation request (see details below) from
> the authors of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-igmp-mld-proxy.
>
> Please let us know if you are aware of any code-point conflict, or
> if you have issues with the WG moving forward with this early allocation.
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> We envisage to proceed with the request on the 16th of June.
>
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> M&T
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> "EVPN Route Types" from registry defined by RFC7432
> https://www.iana.org/assignments/evpn/evpn.xhtml
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Hello Chairs,

  I support publication of this document. I am not aware of any IPR
related to this document.

Best,

Truman



>
> Le 06/06/2017 =C3=A0 16:11, Martin Vigoureux a =C3=A9crit :
> > Hello Working Group,
> >
> > This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
> > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 [1] which is considered mature and ready
> > for a final working group review.
> >
> > Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent
> > version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
> > *20th of June*.
> > Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is
> > also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an
> > Informational RFC.
> >
> > *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
> > applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage, to ensure that IPR has been
> > disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
> > and 5378 for more details).
> >
> > If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of
> > draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 please respond to this email and indicate
> > whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
> >
> > Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document
> > or its earlier versions.
> >
> > As opposed to the policy [2], we are not polling for knowledge of
> > implementations as it does not seem to make sense in that case. If you
> > feel otherwise, please let us know.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > M&T
> >
> > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Hello =
Chairs,<div><br></div><div><pre class=3D"m_4445155796318988881inbox-inbox-w=
ordwrap" style=3D"box-sizing:border-box;overflow:auto;font-family:Menlo,Mon=
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ite-space:pre-wrap">  I support publication of this document. I am not awar=
e of any IPR related to this document.
<br></pre><pre class=3D"m_4445155796318988881inbox-inbox-wordwrap" style=3D=
"box-sizing:border-box;overflow:auto;font-family:Menlo,Monaco,Consolas,&quo=
t;Courier New&quot;,monospace;font-size:13px;padding:0px;margin-top:0px;mar=
gin-bottom:10px;line-height:1.42857;word-break:normal;word-wrap:normal;colo=
r:rgb(51,51,51);border:0px none black;border-radius:4px;white-space:pre-wra=
p">Best,</pre><pre class=3D"m_4445155796318988881inbox-inbox-wordwrap" styl=
e=3D"box-sizing:border-box;overflow:auto;font-family:Menlo,Monaco,Consolas,=
&quot;Courier New&quot;,monospace;font-size:13px;padding:0px;margin-top:0px=
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color:rgb(51,51,51);border:0px none black;border-radius:4px;white-space:pre=
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l_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;borde=
r-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote><br><br>    Le 06/06/20=
17 =C3=A0 16:11, Martin Vigoureux a =C3=A9crit :<br>    &gt; Hello Working =
Group,<br>    &gt;<br>    &gt; This email starts a Working Group Last Call =
on<br>    &gt; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 [1] which is considered mature=
 and ready<br>    &gt; for a final working group review.<br>    &gt;<br>   =
 &gt; Please read this document if you haven&#39;t read the most recent<br>=
    &gt; version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than<br>=
    &gt; *20th of June*.<br>    &gt; Note that this is *not only* a call fo=
r comments on the document; it is<br>    &gt; also a call for support (or n=
ot) to publish this document as an<br>    &gt; Informational RFC.<br>    &g=
t;<br>    &gt; *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any I=
PR that<br>    &gt; applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage, to ensure that I=
PR has been<br>    &gt; disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RF=
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t; draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 please respond to this email and indicate<=
br>    &gt; whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.<br>    &gt;<b=
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lementations as it does not seem to make sense in that case. If you<br>    =
&gt; feel otherwise, please let us know.<br>    &gt;<br>    &gt; Thank you,=
<br>    &gt; M&amp;T<br>    &gt;<br>    &gt; [1] <a href=3D"https://datatra=
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I support to move this document forward to publication.  There are no
IPR that I am aware of related to this document.

Apologies for leaving out IPR statement.

Regards -- Aldrin



On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:52 PM Aldrin Isaac <aldrin.isaac@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes. I support to move this forward.
>
> Regards -- Aldrin
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 3:39 PM UTTARO, JAMES <ju1738@att.com> wrote:
>
>> *Fully support as co-author..I am not aware of any IPR related to this
>> document..*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Thanks,*
>>
>> *                Jim Uttaro*
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* BESS [mailto:bess-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Senad IETF -
>> Internet Engineering Task Force
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 12, 2017 3:29 PM
>> *To:* Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>
>> *Cc:* BESS <bess@ietf.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [bess] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage
>>
>>
>>
>> Full support of this document for RFC publication.  As a co-author, I am
>> not aware of any IPR related to this document.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Martin Vigoureux <
>> martin.vigoureux@nokia.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Working Group,
>>
>> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
>> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 [1] which is considered mature and ready f=
or
>> a final working group review.
>>
>> Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent
>> version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
>> *20th of June*.
>> Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is
>> also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an
>> Informational RFC.
>>
>> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
>> applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage, to ensure that IPR has been
>> disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 a=
nd
>> 5378 for more details).
>>
>> If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of
>> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 please respond to this email and indicate
>> whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.
>>
>> Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document
>> or its earlier versions.
>>
>> As opposed to the policy [2], we are not polling for knowledge of
>> implementations as it does not seem to make sense in that case. If you f=
eel
>> otherwise, please let us know.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> M&T
>>
>> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datatracker.ietf=
.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dbess-2Devpn-2Dusage_&d=3DDwMFaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTS=
QicvjIg&r=3Ds7ZzB4JbPv3nYuoSx5Gy8Q&m=3DNsXRNCpI-XG9vxejXm9NHxu1FVv_j2gAG3NS=
W3vZPh8&s=3DRuJG5P3GiwU0kDVlo12PU41vXQ4DzY-_xqvgolWjkq4&e=3D>
>> [2]
>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__mailarchive.ietf=
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<div><pre class=3D"m_4657091692912354872m_4445155796318988881inbox-inbox-wo=
rdwrap" style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:1px;box-sizing:border-bo=
x;overflow:auto;font-family:Menlo,Monaco,Consolas,&#39;Courier New&#39;,mon=
ospace;font-size:13px;padding:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:10px;line-he=
ight:1.42857;word-break:normal;word-wrap:normal;color:rgb(51,51,51);border:=
0px none black;border-top-left-radius:4px;border-top-right-radius:4px;borde=
r-bottom-right-radius:4px;border-bottom-left-radius:4px"><span style=3D"col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-apple-system,HelveticaNeue;font-size:16px;white-=
space:normal;word-spacing:0px">I support to move this document forward to p=
ublication.=C2=A0 There are no IPR that I am aware of related to this docum=
ent. =C2=A0</span></pre><pre class=3D"m_4657091692912354872m_44451557963189=
88881inbox-inbox-wordwrap" style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:1px;b=
ox-sizing:border-box;overflow:auto;font-family:Menlo,Monaco,Consolas,&#39;C=
ourier New&#39;,monospace;font-size:13px;padding:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-=
bottom:10px;line-height:1.42857;word-break:normal;word-wrap:normal;color:rg=
b(51,51,51);border:0px none black;border-top-left-radius:4px;border-top-rig=
ht-radius:4px;border-bottom-right-radius:4px;border-bottom-left-radius:4px"=
><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-apple-system,HelveticaNeue;fo=
nt-size:16px;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Apologies for leaving out=
 IPR statement. =C2=A0</span></pre><pre class=3D"m_4657091692912354872m_444=
5155796318988881inbox-inbox-wordwrap" style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap;word-sp=
acing:1px;box-sizing:border-box;overflow:auto;font-family:Menlo,Monaco,Cons=
olas,&#39;Courier New&#39;,monospace;font-size:13px;padding:0px;margin-top:=
0px;margin-bottom:10px;line-height:1.42857;word-break:normal;word-wrap:norm=
al;color:rgb(51,51,51);border:0px none black;border-top-left-radius:4px;bor=
der-top-right-radius:4px;border-bottom-right-radius:4px;border-bottom-left-=
radius:4px"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-apple-system,Helve=
ticaNeue;font-size:16px;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Regards -- Ald=
rin</span></pre><pre class=3D"m_4657091692912354872m_4445155796318988881inb=
ox-inbox-wordwrap" style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:1px;box-sizin=
g:border-box;overflow:auto;font-family:Menlo,Monaco,Consolas,&#39;Courier N=
ew&#39;,monospace;font-size:13px;padding:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:1=
0px;line-height:1.42857;word-break:normal;word-wrap:normal;color:rgb(51,51,=
51);border:0px none black;border-top-left-radius:4px;border-top-right-radiu=
s:4px;border-bottom-right-radius:4px;border-bottom-left-radius:4px"><br></p=
re><pre class=3D"m_4657091692912354872m_4445155796318988881inbox-inbox-word=
wrap" style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap;word-spacing:1px;box-sizing:border-box;=
overflow:auto;font-family:Menlo,Monaco,Consolas,&#39;Courier New&#39;,monos=
pace;font-size:13px;padding:0px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:10px;line-heig=
ht:1.42857;word-break:normal;word-wrap:normal;color:rgb(51,51,51);border:0p=
x none black;border-top-left-radius:4px;border-top-right-radius:4px;border-=
bottom-right-radius:4px;border-bottom-left-radius:4px"><br></pre><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:52 PM Aldrin Isaac &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:aldrin.isaac@gmail.com">aldrin.isaac@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bor=
der-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Yes. I support to move this forwa=
rd. <br><br>Regards -- Aldrin<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, Ju=
n 12, 2017 at 3:39 PM UTTARO, JAMES &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ju1738@att.com">j=
u1738@att.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"m_-2925956634884904447WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#44546a">Fully support as co-author..I a=
m not aware of any IPR related to this document..<u></u><u></u></span></i><=
/b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></i>=
</b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#44546a">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></i=
></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#44546a">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Jim Uttaro<u><=
/u><u></u></span></i></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><i><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></i>=
</b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> BESS [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto=
:bess-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Senad IETF - Internet Engineering Task Force<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 12, 2017 3:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Martin Vigoureux &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin.vigoureux@nokia.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">martin.vigoureux@nokia.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> BESS &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">bess=
@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [bess] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage<u></=
u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"=
purple"><div class=3D"m_-2925956634884904447WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Full support of this document for RFC publication.=
=C2=A0 As a co-author, I am not aware of any IPR related to this document.<=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Martin Vigoureux &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:martin.vigoureux@nokia.com" target=3D"_blank">martin.vi=
goureux@nokia.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hello Working Group,<br>
<br>
This email starts a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-0=
4 [1] which is considered mature and ready for a final working group review=
.<br>
<br>
Please read this document if you haven&#39;t read the most recent<br>
version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than<br>
*20th of June*.<br>
Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is als=
o a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an Informational =
RFC.<br>
<br>
*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies=
 to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in co=
mpliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more d=
etails).<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of<br>
draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 please respond to this email and indicate whe=
ther or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.<br>
<br>
Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document or =
its earlier versions.<br>
<br>
As opposed to the policy [2], we are not polling for knowledge of implement=
ations as it does not seem to make sense in that case. If you feel otherwis=
e, please let us know.<br>
<br>
Thank you,<br>
M&amp;T<br>
<br>
[1] <a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__datat=
racker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Dietf-2Dbess-2Devpn-2Dusage_&amp;d=3DDwMFaQ&amp;=
c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&amp;r=3Ds7ZzB4JbPv3nYuoSx5Gy8Q&amp;m=3DNsXRNCpI-=
XG9vxejXm9NHxu1FVv_j2gAG3NSW3vZPh8&amp;s=3DRuJG5P3GiwU0kDVlo12PU41vXQ4DzY-_=
xqvgolWjkq4&amp;e=3D" target=3D"_blank">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/</a><br>
[2] <a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__maila=
rchive.ietf.org_arch_msg_bess_cG3X1tTqb-5FvPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw&amp;d=3DDwMFaQ&=
amp;c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&amp;r=3Ds7ZzB4JbPv3nYuoSx5Gy8Q&amp;m=3DNsXRN=
CpI-XG9vxejXm9NHxu1FVv_j2gAG3NSW3vZPh8&amp;s=3DtLVXhULe4bJzbVBsBOybultgu62E=
reH6szg5v5-j5As&amp;e=3D" target=3D"_blank">
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw</a><=
br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
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WG,

the WG LC has ended and we have support to move forward.
I'll shepherd the document.

-m

Le 06/06/2017 à 16:11, Martin Vigoureux a écrit :
> Hello Working Group,
>
> This email starts a Working Group Last Call on
> draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage-04 [1] which is considered mature and ready
> for a final working group review.
>
> Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent
> version yet, and send your comments to the list, no later than
> *20th of June*.
> Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is
> also a call for support (or not) to publish this document as an
> Informational RFC.
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> *Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that
> applies to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage, to ensure that IPR has been
> disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669
> and 5378 for more details).
>
> If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of
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> Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document
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> As opposed to the policy [2], we are not polling for knowledge of
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> feel otherwise, please let us know.
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> Thank you,
> M&T
>
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-usage/
> [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw
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All,

it is time we start building the BESS WG agenda for Prague.
The IETF agenda (still preliminary) is available at:
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Hi everyone,

We have a new working group document!

Can authors please repost as draft-ietf-bess-evpn-pref-df-00 ?

Thanks,

Thomas & Martin


2017-06-06, Thomas Morin:
> Hello working group,
> 
> This email starts a two-week call for adoption on
> draft-rabadan-bess-evpn-pref-df-02 [1] as a Working Group Document.
> 
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> cases, please also state the reasons).
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> This poll runs until *the 20th of June*.
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> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rabadan-bess-evpn-pref-df/

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS of the IETF.

        Title           : Preference-based EVPN DF Election
        Authors         : Jorge Rabadan
                          Senthil Sathappan
                          Tony Przygienda
                          Wen Lin
                          John Drake
                          Ali Sajassi
                          Satya Ranjan Mohanty
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-pref-df-00.txt
	Pages           : 12
	Date            : 2017-06-21

Abstract:
   RFC7432 defines the Designated Forwarder (DF) in (PBB-)EVPN networks
   as the PE responsible for sending broadcast, multicast and unknown
   unicast traffic (BUM) to a multi-homed device/network in the case of
   an all-active multi-homing ES, or BUM and unicast in the case of
   single-active multi-homing.

   The DF is selected out of a candidate list of PEs that advertise the
   Ethernet Segment Identifier (ESI) to the EVPN network, according to
   the 'service-carving' algorithm.

   While 'service-carving' provides an efficient and automated way of
   selecting the DF across different EVIs or ISIDs in the ES, there are
   some use-cases where a more 'deterministic' and user-controlled
   method is required. At the same time, Service Providers require an
   easy way to force an on-demand DF switchover in order to carry out
   some maintenance tasks on the existing DF or control whether a new
   active PE can preempt the existing DF PE.

   This document proposes an extension to the current RFC7432 DF
   election procedures so that the above requirements can be met.



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Stig, thanks for your comments.+

On 6/19/2017 5:47 PM, Stig Venaas wrote:
> Hi
>
> I think this draft is mostly ready. I just have a couple of comments.
>
> In section 1:
>     This revision of the document does not specify the procedures
>     necessary to support MVPN customers that are using BIDIR-PIM.  Those
>     procedures will be added in a future revision.
>
> Remove this text?

We'll probably just change this to something like "Procedures to support 
MVPN customers that are using BIDIR-PIM are outside the scope of this 
document".

> Section 2.1.  MPLS Label
>
> Should one use different labels to distinguish address families in the same VRF?

Nice catch.  The customer's address family is identified by the AFI of 
the MCAST-VPN routes.  There should be a requirement that a given router 
MUST NOT originate two x-PMSI A-D routes with different AFIs but with 
the same upstream-assigned label in their respective PTAs.

> The PTA must be present in Leaf A-D routes so one can know the BIER
> prefix of the router joining. It might be obvious, but I think it is
> worth pointing it out. It is specified for IR (in RFC 7988 section
> 4.1.1 it says: "Leaf A-D route MUST also contain a PTA"...

For IR, the PTA is needed because each egress PE needs to advertise a 
downstream-assigned label.

For BIER, I was thinking that the BFR-Prefix of the egress PE should 
appear in the "originating router's IP address" field of the Leaf A-D 
NLRI.  However, it is probably better to allow the "originating router's 
IP address" to be different than the BFR-Prefix, and in that case to use 
the Leaf A-D route's PTA to specify the BFR-Prefix.



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS of the IETF.

        Title           : L2L3 VPN Multicast MIB
        Authors         : Zhaohui (Jeffrey) Zhang
                          Hiroshi Tsunoda
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-09.txt
	Pages           : 19
	Date            : 2017-06-21

Abstract:
   This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB)
   for use with network management protocols in the Internet community.
   In particular, it describes two MIB modules which will be used by
   other MIB modules for monitoring and/or configuring Layer 2 and Layer
   3 Virtual Private Networks that support multicast.


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Dear Glenn,

Thank you for your comments. I posted a new revision (-09) as follows.

URL:
https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-09.txt
Htmlized:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-09
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Diff:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-09

In the new revision, all of your comments are addressed and
the following additional changes are made.

-   Update the definition and description of L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType
    Describe the enumerated values and the corresponding
    tunnel type.
    I added new valule, transportTunnel (8) defined in [RFC7524].

 - Add some description related to transportTunnel (8)
   into the defi L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId

 - Update the description of l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags
   according to [RFC7902]

 -  Added a new object, l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeAddlFlags.
    This is defined in [RFC7902]

I also removed some paragraph from 1.1 Terminology section,
because those seem verbose.

Please see some other notes below.

2017-06-05 12:24 GMT+02:00 Glenn Mansfield Keeni <glenn@cysols.com>:
> 1. The explanations for the size of the identifiers for each tunneling
>    technology in TC L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId
>    is nicely done. These are aligned with definitions in rfc6514.
>    In
>            noTunnelId         (0), -- No tunnel information
>    is there a specific reason to name it 'noTunnelId' instead of
>    'noTunnelInfo'.

Fixed.

> 2. The TCs
>        L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointerType, and
>        L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelPointer
>    Are probably not required. The value of the RowPointer [rfc2579]
>    object is ' the name of the instance of the first
>                accessible columnar object in the conceptual row'
>    So the pointer will explicitly contain the name of the table.
>    An auxilliary type object to indicate the table name is not
>    necessary.
>   [This is an oversight on my part. I should have noticed this earlier.]

These TCs were removed and related descriptions in other parts
in the document were updated.

> Other Editorials:
> P-2. Sec-1.
> 1.   para-1 makes tedious reading. Could this be improved?
>
> 2.       "Border Gateway Protocol/ MultiProtocol Label Switching (BGP/MPLS)"
>      The usage of the '/' here is unclear.

Updated.
In the new revision, BGP/MPLS VPN is explained in para-1, and
multicast support in BGP/MPLS Layer 2 and Layer 3 is explained in para-2
separately.

> 3.       "and L3 VPNs.  Therefore, TCs and MOs defined"
>      The context of the 'Therefore' is not clear.

Fixed. I removed the related sentence because it seemed not
required already.

> 4.       "The are two type"
>      Probably s/The/There/ ?

Fixed. Thank you for pointing it out.

-- tsuno


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On 6/21/2017 2:22 PM, Swadesh Agrawal (swaagraw) wrote:
> It can be achieved by having ipv6 explicit NULL in data path. We may not need different label to identify AFI.

We could have a rule saying that if MVPN payload packet is an IPv6 
packet, then v6 explicit null must be pushed before the 
upstream-assigned label is pushed.

But hen someone would claim that we're favoring v4 over v6, and the rule 
should be that if the MVPN payload is a v4 packet, v4 explicit null must 
be pushed before the upstream-assigned label is pushed.

If we don't have one rule or the other, we risk multi-vendor interop 
problems.

People will disagree about which rule is best, so someone will claim 
that we need a configuration item to say which payload type is the 
default and which requires explicit null.

Then someone would say that we need to add to the signaling an 
indication of which payload type is the default and which requires 
explicit null.

Then someone would say that the root cause of the problem is the lack of 
a protocol type field in MPLS, and we should fix the root cause instead 
of using explicit null.

So although your observation is absolutely correct, I think it's simpler 
if we just use different upstream-assigned labels for the different AFIs.




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On reflection, I think it's best if there is no requirement for a PE's 
BFR-Prefix to appear in the NLRI of any of the MVPN routes, no 
requirement for it to appear in the VRF Route Import EC, no requirement 
for it to appear in any next hop field, no requirement for it to appear 
in the Inter-Area P2MP Next Hop EC, etc.  That is, no requirement for it 
to be anything other than a BFR-Prefix.

So if the PTA of an x-PMSI A-D route specifies tunnel type "BIER", I 
think the simplest thing is to require that the BFR-Prefix be specified 
in the PTA.

Similarly, the simplest way to ensure that the ingress PE knows the 
BFR-Prefix of an egress PE is to have the egress PE include a PTA in the 
Leaf A-D route, and require to PTA to specify "tunnel type" BIER, MPLS 
Label 0 (ignored), and the BFR-Prefix of the Leaf.  Which I think was 
Stig's original suggestion.


On 6/21/2017 1:08 PM, Mahesh Sivakumar (masivaku) wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
>>> For BIER, I was thinking that the BFR-Prefix of the egress PE should
>>> appear in the "originating router's IP address" field of the Leaf A-D
>>> NLRI.  However, it is probably better to allow the "originating router's
>>> IP address" to be different than the BFR-Prefix, and in that case to use
>>> the Leaf A-D route's PTA to specify the BFR-Prefix.
> I was thinking along the same lines so that we have the flexibility on the
> Ingress BFR to use either the originating router or the BFR prefix while
> tracking.
> But do you envision a real use case at the ingress BFIR for using the BFR prefix
> in the PTA given that the BFIR can use the originating router IP address to
> match the appropriate S-PMSI A-D route.
> Accordingly, should we make the BIER-pfx in the PTA optional?
>
> Thanks
> Mahesh
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/21/17, 8:39 AM, "BIER on behalf of Eric C Rosen" <bier-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of erosen@juniper.net> wrote:
>
>> Stig, thanks for your comments.+
>>
>> On 6/19/2017 5:47 PM, Stig Venaas wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I think this draft is mostly ready. I just have a couple of comments.
>>>
>>> In section 1:
>>>      This revision of the document does not specify the procedures
>>>      necessary to support MVPN customers that are using BIDIR-PIM.  Those
>>>      procedures will be added in a future revision.
>>>
>>> Remove this text?
>> We'll probably just change this to something like "Procedures to support
>> MVPN customers that are using BIDIR-PIM are outside the scope of this
>> document".
>>
>>> Section 2.1.  MPLS Label
>>>
>>> Should one use different labels to distinguish address families in the same VRF?
>> Nice catch.  The customer's address family is identified by the AFI of
>> the MCAST-VPN routes.  There should be a requirement that a given router
>> MUST NOT originate two x-PMSI A-D routes with different AFIs but with
>> the same upstream-assigned label in their respective PTAs.
>>
>>> The PTA must be present in Leaf A-D routes so one can know the BIER
>>> prefix of the router joining. It might be obvious, but I think it is
>>> worth pointing it out. It is specified for IR (in RFC 7988 section
>>> 4.1.1 it says: "Leaf A-D route MUST also contain a PTA"...
>> For IR, the PTA is needed because each egress PE needs to advertise a
>> downstream-assigned label.
>>
>> For BIER, I was thinking that the BFR-Prefix of the egress PE should
>> appear in the "originating router's IP address" field of the Leaf A-D
>> NLRI.  However, it is probably better to allow the "originating router's
>> IP address" to be different than the BFR-Prefix, and in that case to use
>> the Leaf A-D route's PTA to specify the BFR-Prefix.
>
>
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On 6/21/2017 4:15 PM, Swadesh Agrawal (swaagraw) wrote:
> I think itâ€™s pretty standard to send ipv6 traffic with ipv6 explicit NULL.

I wouldn't make that assumption.  Especially not in MPLS backbones built 
on an IPv6 infrastructure.

> It was never required to be explicitly mention in RFC.

The fact that this was never made explicit in any RFC has been the cause 
of numerous interoperability problems.  Many of these have been hammered 
down over the past twenty years, but new issues of this sort still 
arise, especially in new applications where label stacks are signaled in 
new and different ways.

> We wonâ€™t need signaling. It will depend on ingress PE. If ingress PE does not send ipv6 explicit NULL, it should announce different upstream assigned label for afi.
> Egress PE should work in both scenario without any signaling of what ingress PE has implemented.

I think it would be good for the egress PE to know in advance whether or 
not it is expected to infer the payload type from the upstream-assigned 
label (assuming that that label appears at the bottom of the stack).



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS of the IETF.

        Title           : E-TREE Support in EVPN & PBB-EVPN
        Authors         : Ali Sajassi
                          Samer Salam
                          John Drake
                          Jim Uttaro
                          Sami Boutros
                          Jorge Rabadan
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-12.txt
	Pages           : 20
	Date            : 2017-06-22

Abstract:
   The Metro Ethernet Forum (MEF) has defined a rooted-multipoint
   Ethernet service known as Ethernet Tree (E-Tree). A solution
   framework for supporting this service in MPLS networks is proposed in
   RFC7387 ("A Framework for Ethernet Tree (E-Tree) Service over a
   Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) Network"). This document
   discusses how those functional requirements can be easily met with
   Ethernet VPN (EVPN) and how EVPN offers a more efficient
   implementation of these functions. This document makes use of the
   most significant bit of the scope governed by the IANA registry
   created by RFC7385, and hence updates RFC7385 accordingly.



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Hi Alvaro,

I captured the IANA registry request for E-Tree flags in the latest rev of =
the draft (along with other comment resolutions):

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree/

This was your last AI to be completed.

Cheers,
Ali



From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com<mailto:aretana@cisco.com=
>>
Date: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 3:26 PM
To: Cisco Employee <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajassi@cisco.com>>, "draft-ie=
tf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org>" <d=
raft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree@ietf.o=
rg>>
Cc: "bess-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org>" <bess-chairs@ietf.o=
rg<mailto:bess-chairs@ietf.org>>, "bess@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>" <be=
ss@ietf.org<mailto:bess@ietf.org>>, Thomas Morin <thomas.morin@orange.com<m=
ailto:thomas.morin@orange.com>>
Subject: Re: AD Review of draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-09

On 6/7/17, 3:16 PM, "Ali Sajassi (sajassi)" <sajassi@cisco.com<mailto:sajas=
si@cisco.com>> wrote:

Ali:

Hi!

> 1)  I will get a registry for them set up when there will be more than on=
e flag. Currently, there is only a
> single flag defined and we do not anticipate any additional flags at this=
 point.

To be clear: without the registry defined the specification is incomplete. =
 If possible, consider the case where someone else (not one of the authors)=
 wants to use one of the flags, what should be the policy for them to defin=
e it?  Should it be first come first served, or would the WG prefer a Desig=
nated Expert to review the potential assignment, is it ok for an experiment=
al draft to request assignment, or is a Standards Track document the only w=
ay?

We've probably already written more text than the actual policy definition =
would take... <sigh>


> 2) regarding removing P2MP mention (so that it get generalized to MP2MP),=
 I will do that but will
> add a sentence to say the other tunnel types that are supported by EVPN -=
 e.g., currently P2MP are
> supported but in the future MP2MP can also be supported. So, I don't wan =
to exclude MP2MP. I can
> add his sentence during the RFC editing phase, is that OK?

That is ok with me.

Alvaro.



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<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;=
color:black">&gt; single flag defined and we do not anticipate any addition=
al flags at this point.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;=
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;=
color:black">To be clear: without the registry defined the specification is=
 incomplete.&nbsp; If possible, consider the case where someone else (not o=
ne of the authors) wants to use one of the
 flags, what should be the policy for them to define it?&nbsp; Should it be=
 first come first served, or would the WG prefer a Designated Expert to rev=
iew the potential assignment, is it ok for an experimental draft to request=
 assignment, or is a Standards Track
 document the only way?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;=
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;=
color:black">We&#8217;ve probably already written more text than the actual=
 policy definition would take&#8230; &lt;sigh&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;=
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;=
color:black">&gt; 2) regarding removing P2MP mention (so that it get genera=
lized to MP2MP), I will do that but will
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;=
color:black">&gt; add a sentence to say the other tunnel types that are sup=
ported by EVPN &#8211; e.g., currently P2MP are
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;=
color:black">&gt; supported but in the future MP2MP can also be supported. =
So, I don&#8217;t wan to exclude MP2MP. I can
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;=
color:black">&gt; add his sentence during the RFC editing phase, is that OK=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;=
color:black">That is ok with me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;=
color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;=
color:black">Alvaro.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I Support the publication of this document as a RFC.   I am not aware of
any non-disclosed IPR.

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Hi Tsuno,
    Thanks for waiting. I have done one pass of the draft.
The comments are attached.
Please note that we probably need to do some more design
considerations on the MIB - there are some issues that
need to be addressed before we can arrive at a reasonably
stable version of the MIB itself.

Glenn

On 2017/06/12 21:47, Glenn Mansfield Keeni wrote:
> Hi Tsuno,
>     Got this. I will be working on this. It is massive-
> 40 pages. I hope to get back to you on this by the end
> of next week.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Glenn
> On 2017/06/07 1:22, Hiroshi Tsunoda wrote:
>> Hi Glenn,
>>
>> I posted a new revision (-04) of MVPN-MIB document.
>> In this revision, "Summary of MIB Module" has been rewritten.
>> I hope this change improves the readability.
>>
>> URL:        
>> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04.txt
>> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04
>> Htmlized: 
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04
>> Diff:          
>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04
>>
>> Please see notes below for other changes.
>>
>> 2017-03-01 16:00 GMT+01:00 Hiroshi Tsunoda <tsuno@m.ieice.org>:
>>>> 1.  Abstract:
>>>> 1.2 "In particular, it describes managed objects to configure and/or
>>>>      monitor Multicast in MPLS/BGP IP VPNs (MVPN) on a router."
>>>>     Is this for any router or, a "Provider Edge" router ?
>>>>     Please fix accordingly.
>>>
>>> This point will be fixed in the next revision.
>>
>> Fixed. "Provide Edge" router is correct.
>>
>>>> 2.  Introduction
>>>>     Are the objects "generic" to PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN or "common"
>>>>     to  PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN ? Please change accordingly.
>>>
>>> This point will be fixed in the next revision.
>>
>> Fixed. "common" is correct.
>>
>>>> 2.5 The terminology section is a bit terse. Explaining the terms
>>>>     that are used, with reference to the protocol documents will
>>>>     improve readability.
>>>>     e.g.
>>>>      - MVPN, PE, PMSI/tunnels,
>>>>      - C-multicast routing exchange protocol (PIM or BGP),
>>>>        C-multicast states
>>>>      - I-PMSI, S-PMSI, provider tunnels
>>>
>>> Partially fixed. I will give more detailed explanation in the next 
>>> revision.
>>
>> I have added some more explanation in this revision.
>>
>>>> 3.  MVPN MIB.
>>>>     This gives the overview of the MVPN MIB.
>>>>     The MIB module aims to provide "configuring and/or monitoring"
>>>> 3.1 In
>>>>      "This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs on PE
>>>>      devices: the whole multicast VPN machinery....."
>>>>     "the whole multicast VPN machinery" is very difficult to define.
>>>>     Please use precisely defined terms.
>>>> 3.2 In "To represent them,...."
>>>>     "them" seems ambiguous, please clarify.
>>>> 3.3 The diagram needs some explanation.
>>>>     What do the boxes represent? Tables ? The labels are meant to be
>>>>     table names ? The table names do not match the labels.
>>>>     What do the arrows signify? Please explain.
>>>> 3.4 The short explanation of the tables could be augmented with some
>>>>     information on what they represent and an idea of how they will
>>>>     be used. ( RFC 4382 provides a good example).
>>
>> I have rewritten "Sec.3.1 Summary of MIB Module".
>> Eight tables can be categorized into two groups: tables for 
>> configuration and
>> tables for monitoring.
>> In this revision, the diagram representing the relationship among 
>> tables is
>> divided to two separated diagrams based on the roles of tables.
>>
>>>> MIB definitions:
>>>> 7. Wherever possible, please provide references for objects used in the
>>>>     MIB. The references will point to specific sections/sub-sections of
>>>>     RFCs defining the protocol for which the MIB is being designed.
>>>
>>> This will be addressed in the next revision.
>>
>> I have added some references but more are required.
>> I will keep working on this.
>>
>>>> 8. MOs.
>>>> 8.2 mvpnMvrfNumber OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>        SYNTAX         Unsigned32
>>>>        DESCRIPTION
>>>>            "The total number of MVRFs that are present on this device,
>>>>             whether for IPv4, IPv6, or mLDP C-Multicast."
>>>>     o Please make the description precise. E.g. if it is the sum of
>>>>       IPv4 MVRFs, IPv6 MVRFs and mLDP C-Multicast MVRFs state it
>>>>       explicitly.
>>>>     o The expression "present on this device" is used.
>>>>       Does "present" imply "configured" MVRFs or "active" MVRFs.
>>>>       If it is number of active MVRFs then one would expect that
>>>>       the number will vary (increase or decrease). If that is the
>>>>       case:
>>>>       replace
>>>>        SYNTAX        Unsigned32
>>>>       by
>>>>        SYNTAX        Gauge32
>>
>> I will try to update description in the next revision.
>>
>>>> 8.5 mvpnGenOperStatusChange OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>         SYNTAX      INTEGER { createdMvrf(1),
>>>>                               deletedMvrf(2),
>>>>                               modifiedMvrfIpmsiConfig(3),
>>>>                              modifiedMvrfSpmsiConfig(4)
>>>>                             }
>>>>        DESCRIPTION
>>>>            "This object describes the last operational change that
>>>>     o The name does not look right. From the SYNTAX and the DESCRIPTION
>>>>       it appears that this is about config or MVRF change rather than
>>>>       "OperStatus" change. Please check and fix.
>>>>     o Please confirm that the values in the row itself will not be 
>>>> changed
>>>>       after creation. ( you do not have a 'modifiedMvrfConfig')
>>
>> The name has been changed into mvpnGenMvrfStatusChange.
>> The name of the related object (mvpnGenOperStatusChangeTime) has
>> also been changed into mvpnGenMvrfStatusChangeTime.
>>
>>>> 8.6 mvpnGenCmcastRouteProtocol OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>>>>        ::= { mvpnGeneralEntry 4 }
>>>>     o You cannot have MAX-ACCESS    read-write for a row that may be
>>>>       dynamically created.
>>>>       Replace
>>>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>>>>       by
>>>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-create
>>>>       if you want to dynamically change that value, otherwise,
>>>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-only
>>>>       will suffice.
>>
>> Fixed. Now, "MAX-ACCESS    read-create" is used.
>>
>>>> 8.8 mvpnGenIpmsiConfig OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>         DESCRIPTION
>>>>            "This points to a row in mvpnPmsiConfigTable,
>>>>             for I-PMSI configuration."
>>>>     o Please specify the expected behaviour when it is not an I-PMSI
>>>> 8.9 mvpnGenInterAsPmsiConfig
>>>>     o same comment as above
>>
>> These will be addressed in the next revision.
>>
>>>> 8.10 mvpnGenRowStatus
>>>>     mvpnGenRowStatus OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>        SYNTAX        RowStatus
>>>>        DESCRIPTION
>>>>            "This is used to create or delete a row in this table."
>>>>     o The description is inadequate for an implementor (and
>>>>       others too).
>>>>     o You must have a mvpnGenRowStorageType or the DESCRIPTION of
>>>>       mvpnGenRowStatus must indicate what will happen to the row
>>>>       after an agent restart
>>
>> I will try to address this comment in the next revision.
>>
>>>> 9. Similar comments (8.1 ~ 8.10) for the remaining tables in the MIB
>>>>     Particularly 8.10 for the RowStatus type objects
>>>>                          mvpnGenRowStatus
>>>>                         mvpnPmsiConfigRowStatus
>>>>                         mvpnSpmsiConfigRowStatus.
>>>>    Please check and fix.
>>
>> I will try to address this comment in the next revision.
>>
>>>> 10. mvpnMvrfChange NOTIFICATION-TYPE
>>>>         OBJECTS     {
>>>>                      mvpnGenOperStatusChange
>>>>                    }
>>>>        ::= { mvpnNotifications 2 }
>>>>
>>>>     o should be  { mvpnNotifications 1 }
>>>>     o Include the MOs that the administrator/manager may want to
>>>>       see in OBJECTS.
>>
>> The first comment is addressed, the second one is TBD.
>>
>>>> 11. The Security Considerations section does not follow the Security
>>>>      Guidelines for IETF MIB Modules
>>>>      http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/mib-security.
>>>
>> I rewrite this part according to the guideline described in RFC4181 
>> Sec.3.4.
>> However, there are some TBDs in this part that should be updated 
>> according
>> to the update in the main body of MIB module.
>>
>>>> 12.  COMPLIANCE.
>>>> 12.1 You seem to mandate MAX-ACCESS read-write/read-create for
>>>>       compliance. Is this intended? Configuration capability MUST be
>>>>       supported?  Please note that sec 2.  MVPN MIB says
>>>>       "This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs ..."
>>>>      The current compliance requirement contradicts the above claim.
>>>>      Please check and fix.
>>>>
>>>>      It is general and sound practice to allow for MAX-ACCESS
>>>>      read-only compliance. Some implementations may support
>>>>      monitoring but not configuration.
>>>>      Please check and fix.
>>
>> In this revision, I have added additional ReadOnly compliance
>> Now, there are following two MODULE-COMPLIANCE statements
>> are defined in this module.
>>   - mvpnModuleFullCompliance
>>   - mvpnModuleReadOnlyCompliance
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> -- tsuno
>>
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Support as co-author.
Not aware of any IPR.

-Nischal

On Jun 16, 2017, at 6:43 AM, <thomas.morin@orange.com<mailto:thomas.morin@o=
range.com>> <thomas.morin@orange.com<mailto:thomas.morin@orange.com>> wrote=
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Hello Working Group,

This email starts a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimiz=
ed-ir-01 [1] which is considered mature and ready for a final working group=
 review.

Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent version yet, =
and send your comments to the list, no later than *30th of June*.
Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is als=
o a call for support (or not) to publish this document as a Standard Track =
RFC.

*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies=
 to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir, to ensure that IPR has been disclose=
d in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for=
 more details).

If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of the draft please r=
espond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relev=
ant IPR.

Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document or =
its earlier versions.

We are **also polling for knowledge of implementations** of part or all of =
what this document specifies. This information is expected as per [2].
Please inform the mailing list, or the chairs, or only one of the chairs.

Thank you,
T&M

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir/
[2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw


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<blockquote type=3D"cite">Hello Working Group,<br>
<br>
This email starts a Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimiz=
ed-ir-01 [1] which is considered mature and ready for a final working group=
 review.<br>
<br>
Please read this document if you haven't read the most recent version yet, =
and send your comments to the list, no later than *30th of June*.<br>
Note that this is *not only* a call for comments on the document; it is als=
o a call for support (or not) to publish this document as a Standard Track =
RFC.<br>
<br>
*Coincidentally*, we are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies=
 to draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimized-ir, to ensure that IPR has been disclose=
d in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for=
 more details).<br>
<br>
If you are listed as a document Author or Contributor of the draft please r=
espond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relev=
ant IPR.<br>
<br>
Note that, as of today, no IPR has been disclosed against this document or =
its earlier versions.<br>
<br>
We are **also polling for knowledge of implementations** of part or all of =
what this document specifies. This information is expected as per [2].<br>
Please inform the mailing list, or the chairs, or only one of the chairs.<b=
r>
<br>
Thank you,<br>
T&amp;M<br>
<br>
[1] <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bess-evpn-optimi=
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[2] <a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg5=
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https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/bess/cG3X1tTqb_vPC4rg56SEdkjqDpw</a><=
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Hi Glenn,

Thank you for your review and valuable comments.
I am going to look at your comments in detail and
revise the draft.

Best regards,

-- tsuno

2017-06-26 9:52 GMT+02:00 Glenn Mansfield Keeni <glenn@cysols.com>:
> Hi Tsuno,
>    Thanks for waiting. I have done one pass of the draft.
> The comments are attached.
> Please note that we probably need to do some more design
> considerations on the MIB - there are some issues that
> need to be addressed before we can arrive at a reasonably
> stable version of the MIB itself.
>
> Glenn
>
>
> On 2017/06/12 21:47, Glenn Mansfield Keeni wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tsuno,
>>     Got this. I will be working on this. It is massive-
>> 40 pages. I hope to get back to you on this by the end
>> of next week.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Glenn
>> On 2017/06/07 1:22, Hiroshi Tsunoda wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Glenn,
>>>
>>> I posted a new revision (-04) of MVPN-MIB document.
>>> In this revision, "Summary of MIB Module" has been rewritten.
>>> I hope this change improves the readability.
>>>
>>> URL:
>>> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04.txt
>>> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04
>>>
>>> Htmlized:https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04
>>> Diff:
>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-mib-04
>>>
>>> Please see notes below for other changes.
>>>
>>> 2017-03-01 16:00 GMT+01:00 Hiroshi Tsunoda <tsuno@m.ieice.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.  Abstract:
>>>>> 1.2 "In particular, it describes managed objects to configure and/or
>>>>>      monitor Multicast in MPLS/BGP IP VPNs (MVPN) on a router."
>>>>>     Is this for any router or, a "Provider Edge" router ?
>>>>>     Please fix accordingly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This point will be fixed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed. "Provide Edge" router is correct.
>>>
>>>>> 2.  Introduction
>>>>>     Are the objects "generic" to PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN or "common"
>>>>>     to  PIM-MVPN and BGP-MVPN ? Please change accordingly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This point will be fixed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed. "common" is correct.
>>>
>>>>> 2.5 The terminology section is a bit terse. Explaining the terms
>>>>>     that are used, with reference to the protocol documents will
>>>>>     improve readability.
>>>>>     e.g.
>>>>>      - MVPN, PE, PMSI/tunnels,
>>>>>      - C-multicast routing exchange protocol (PIM or BGP),
>>>>>        C-multicast states
>>>>>      - I-PMSI, S-PMSI, provider tunnels
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Partially fixed. I will give more detailed explanation in the
>>>> nextrevision.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have added some more explanation in this revision.
>>>
>>>>> 3.  MVPN MIB.
>>>>>     This gives the overview of the MVPN MIB.
>>>>>     The MIB module aims to provide "configuring and/or monitoring"
>>>>> 3.1 In
>>>>>      "This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs on PE
>>>>>      devices: the whole multicast VPN machinery....."
>>>>>     "the whole multicast VPN machinery" is very difficult to define.
>>>>>     Please use precisely defined terms.
>>>>> 3.2 In "To represent them,...."
>>>>>     "them" seems ambiguous, please clarify.
>>>>> 3.3 The diagram needs some explanation.
>>>>>     What do the boxes represent? Tables ? The labels are meant to be
>>>>>     table names ? The table names do not match the labels.
>>>>>     What do the arrows signify? Please explain.
>>>>> 3.4 The short explanation of the tables could be augmented with some
>>>>>     information on what they represent and an idea of how they will
>>>>>     be used. ( RFC 4382 provides a good example).
>>>
>>>
>>> I have rewritten "Sec.3.1 Summary of MIB Module".
>>> Eight tables can be categorized into two groups: tables forconfiguration
>>> and
>>> tables for monitoring.
>>> In this revision, the diagram representing the relationship amongtables
>>> is
>>>
>>> divided to two separated diagrams based on the roles of tables.
>>>
>>>>> MIB definitions:
>>>>> 7. Wherever possible, please provide references for objects used in the
>>>>>     MIB. The references will point to specific sections/sub-sections of
>>>>>     RFCs defining the protocol for which the MIB is being designed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This will be addressed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have added some references but more are required.
>>> I will keep working on this.
>>>
>>>>> 8. MOs.
>>>>> 8.2 mvpnMvrfNumber OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>>        SYNTAX         Unsigned32
>>>>>        DESCRIPTION
>>>>>            "The total number of MVRFs that are present on this device,
>>>>>             whether for IPv4, IPv6, or mLDP C-Multicast."
>>>>>     o Please make the description precise. E.g. if it is the sum of
>>>>>       IPv4 MVRFs, IPv6 MVRFs and mLDP C-Multicast MVRFs state it
>>>>>       explicitly.
>>>>>     o The expression "present on this device" is used.
>>>>>       Does "present" imply "configured" MVRFs or "active" MVRFs.
>>>>>       If it is number of active MVRFs then one would expect that
>>>>>       the number will vary (increase or decrease). If that is the
>>>>>       case:
>>>>>       replace
>>>>>        SYNTAX        Unsigned32
>>>>>       by
>>>>>        SYNTAX        Gauge32
>>>
>>>
>>> I will try to update description in the next revision.
>>>
>>>>> 8.5 mvpnGenOperStatusChange OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>>         SYNTAX      INTEGER { createdMvrf(1),
>>>>>                               deletedMvrf(2),
>>>>>                               modifiedMvrfIpmsiConfig(3),
>>>>>                              modifiedMvrfSpmsiConfig(4)
>>>>>                             }
>>>>>        DESCRIPTION
>>>>>            "This object describes the last operational change that
>>>>>     o The name does not look right. From the SYNTAX and the DESCRIPTION
>>>>>       it appears that this is about config or MVRF change rather than
>>>>>       "OperStatus" change. Please check and fix.
>>>>>     o Please confirm that the values in the row itself will not
>>>>> bechanged
>>>>>       after creation. ( you do not have a 'modifiedMvrfConfig')
>>>
>>>
>>> The name has been changed into mvpnGenMvrfStatusChange.
>>> The name of the related object (mvpnGenOperStatusChangeTime) has
>>> also been changed into mvpnGenMvrfStatusChangeTime.
>>>
>>>>> 8.6 mvpnGenCmcastRouteProtocol OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>>>>>        ::= { mvpnGeneralEntry 4 }
>>>>>     o You cannot have MAX-ACCESS    read-write for a row that may be
>>>>>       dynamically created.
>>>>>       Replace
>>>>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-write
>>>>>       by
>>>>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-create
>>>>>       if you want to dynamically change that value, otherwise,
>>>>>        MAX-ACCESS    read-only
>>>>>       will suffice.
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixed. Now, "MAX-ACCESS    read-create" is used.
>>>
>>>>> 8.8 mvpnGenIpmsiConfig OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>>         DESCRIPTION
>>>>>            "This points to a row in mvpnPmsiConfigTable,
>>>>>             for I-PMSI configuration."
>>>>>     o Please specify the expected behaviour when it is not an I-PMSI
>>>>> 8.9 mvpnGenInterAsPmsiConfig
>>>>>     o same comment as above
>>>
>>>
>>> These will be addressed in the next revision.
>>>
>>>>> 8.10 mvpnGenRowStatus
>>>>>     mvpnGenRowStatus OBJECT-TYPE
>>>>>        SYNTAX        RowStatus
>>>>>        DESCRIPTION
>>>>>            "This is used to create or delete a row in this table."
>>>>>     o The description is inadequate for an implementor (and
>>>>>       others too).
>>>>>     o You must have a mvpnGenRowStorageType or the DESCRIPTION of
>>>>>       mvpnGenRowStatus must indicate what will happen to the row
>>>>>       after an agent restart
>>>
>>>
>>> I will try to address this comment in the next revision.
>>>
>>>>> 9. Similar comments (8.1 ~ 8.10) for the remaining tables in the MIB
>>>>>     Particularly 8.10 for the RowStatus type objects
>>>>>                          mvpnGenRowStatus
>>>>>                         mvpnPmsiConfigRowStatus
>>>>>                         mvpnSpmsiConfigRowStatus.
>>>>>    Please check and fix.
>>>
>>>
>>> I will try to address this comment in the next revision.
>>>
>>>>> 10. mvpnMvrfChange NOTIFICATION-TYPE
>>>>>         OBJECTS     {
>>>>>                      mvpnGenOperStatusChange
>>>>>                    }
>>>>>        ::= { mvpnNotifications 2 }
>>>>>
>>>>>     o should be  { mvpnNotifications 1 }
>>>>>     o Include the MOs that the administrator/manager may want to
>>>>>       see in OBJECTS.
>>>
>>>
>>> The first comment is addressed, the second one is TBD.
>>>
>>>>> 11. The Security Considerations section does not follow the Security
>>>>>      Guidelines for IETF MIB Modules
>>>>>      http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/mib-security.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I rewrite this part according to the guideline described in
>>> RFC4181Sec.3.4.
>>> However, there are some TBDs in this part that should be updatedaccording
>>> to the update in the main body of MIB module.
>>>
>>>>> 12.  COMPLIANCE.
>>>>> 12.1 You seem to mandate MAX-ACCESS read-write/read-create for
>>>>>       compliance. Is this intended? Configuration capability MUST be
>>>>>       supported?  Please note that sec 2.  MVPN MIB says
>>>>>       "This MIB enables configuring and/or monitoring of MVPNs ..."
>>>>>      The current compliance requirement contradicts the above claim.
>>>>>      Please check and fix.
>>>>>
>>>>>      It is general and sound practice to allow for MAX-ACCESS
>>>>>      read-only compliance. Some implementations may support
>>>>>      monitoring but not configuration.
>>>>>      Please check and fix.
>>>
>>>
>>> In this revision, I have added additional ReadOnly compliance
>>> Now, there are following two MODULE-COMPLIANCE statements
>>> are defined in this module.
>>>   - mvpnModuleFullCompliance
>>>   - mvpnModuleReadOnlyCompliance
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> -- tsuno
>>>
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Hi Martin,

Need a slot for me to present.

EVPN control plane for Geneve

draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve-00.txt

Thanks,

Sami
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>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:33 AM, Martin Vigoureux =
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>> All,
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>> it is time we start building the BESS WG agenda for Prague.
>> The IETF agenda (still preliminary) is available at:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/99/agenda.html
>>=20
>> The BESS WG session (2h) is scheduled on
>> Thursday, July 20, 2017 / Afternoon session II / 15:50-17:50 (local =
time)
>>=20
>> Please send us your request for a presentation slot, indicating
>> draft name, speaker, and desired duration (covering presentation and
>> discussion).
>>=20
>> Please send the requests no later than the 5th of July.
>> Thank you
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class=3D""><div>Hi Martin,</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div>Need a =
slot for me to present.</div><div><br class=3D""></div><div><pre =
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class=3D"">draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve-00.txt</h1></span></pre><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Sami</div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
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AM, Martin Vigoureux &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin.vigoureux@nokia.com" =
class=3D"">martin.vigoureux@nokia.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">All,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">it is time we start =
building the BESS WG agenda for Prague.<br class=3D"">The IETF agenda =
(still preliminary) is available at:<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/99/agenda.html" =
class=3D"">https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/99/agenda.html</a><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">The BESS WG session (2h) is scheduled on<br =
class=3D"">Thursday, July 20, 2017 / Afternoon session II / 15:50-17:50 =
(local time)<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Please send us your request =
for a presentation slot, indicating<br class=3D"">draft name, speaker, =
and desired duration (covering presentation and<br =
class=3D"">discussion).<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Please send the =
requests no later than the 5th of July.<br class=3D"">Thank you<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">M&amp;T<br class=3D""><br =
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Subject: Re: [bess] Slots requests for BESS WG session - IETF 99 - Prague
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Sami,

could you please specify the duration, as requested. Thanks

-m

Le 28/06/2017 à 00:03, Sami Boutros a écrit :
> Hi Martin,
>
> Need a slot for me to present.
>
>
>   EVPN control plane for Geneve
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>   draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve-00.txt
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> Thanks,
>
> Sami
>>
>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:33 AM, Martin Vigoureux
>>> <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com <mailto:martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> it is time we start building the BESS WG agenda for Prague.
>>> The IETF agenda (still preliminary) is available at:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/99/agenda.html
>>>
>>> The BESS WG session (2h) is scheduled on
>>> Thursday, July 20, 2017 / Afternoon session II / 15:50-17:50 (local time)
>>>
>>> Please send us your request for a presentation slot, indicating
>>> draft name, speaker, and desired duration (covering presentation and
>>> discussion).
>>>
>>> Please send the requests no later than the 5th of July.
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> M&T
>>>
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10 mins should be good Martin.

Thanks,

Sami
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Martin Vigoureux =
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> Sami,
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> could you please specify the duration, as requested. Thanks
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> -m
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> Le 28/06/2017 =E0 00:03, Sami Boutros a =E9crit :
>> Hi Martin,
>>=20
>> Need a slot for me to present.
>>=20
>>=20
>>  EVPN control plane for Geneve
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>  draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve-00.txt
>>=20
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>>=20
>> Sami
>>>=20
>>>> On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:33 AM, Martin Vigoureux
>>>> <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com <mailto:martin.vigoureux@nokia.com> =
<mailto:martin.vigoureux@nokia.com <mailto:martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>>> =
wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> All,
>>>>=20
>>>> it is time we start building the BESS WG agenda for Prague.
>>>> The IETF agenda (still preliminary) is available at:
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/99/agenda.html =
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/99/agenda.html>
>>>>=20
>>>> The BESS WG session (2h) is scheduled on
>>>> Thursday, July 20, 2017 / Afternoon session II / 15:50-17:50 (local =
time)
>>>>=20
>>>> Please send us your request for a presentation slot, indicating
>>>> draft name, speaker, and desired duration (covering presentation =
and
>>>> discussion).
>>>>=20
>>>> Please send the requests no later than the 5th of July.
>>>> Thank you
>>>>=20
>>>> M&T
>>>>=20
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class=3D"">10 mins should be good Martin.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Thanks,</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Sami<br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jun 27, 2017, at 3:17 PM, =
Martin Vigoureux &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin.vigoureux@nokia.com" =
class=3D"">martin.vigoureux@nokia.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
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!important;" class=3D"">Sami,</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
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none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">could you please specify =
the duration, as requested. Thanks</span><br style=3D"font-family: =
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none; display: inline !important;" class=3D"">Le 28/06/2017 =E0 00:03, =
Sami Boutros a =E9crit :</span><br style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; =
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auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">Hi =
Martin,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Need a slot for me to present.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">&nbsp;EVPN control plane for =
Geneve<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">&nbsp;draft-boutros-bess-evpn-geneve-00.txt<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Thanks,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sami<br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Jun 21, 2017, at 1:33 AM, Martin =
Vigoureux<br class=3D"">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin.vigoureux@nokia.com" =
class=3D"">martin.vigoureux@nokia.com</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:martin.vigoureux@nokia.com" =
class=3D"">mailto:martin.vigoureux@nokia.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">All,<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">it is time =
we start building the BESS WG agenda for Prague.<br class=3D"">The IETF =
agenda (still preliminary) is available at:<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/99/agenda.html" =
class=3D"">https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/99/agenda.html</a><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">The BESS WG session (2h) is scheduled on<br =
class=3D"">Thursday, July 20, 2017 / Afternoon session II / 15:50-17:50 =
(local time)<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Please send us your request =
for a presentation slot, indicating<br class=3D"">draft name, speaker, =
and desired duration (covering presentation and<br =
class=3D"">discussion).<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Please send the =
requests no later than the 5th of July.<br class=3D"">Thank you<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">M&amp;T<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
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Hi,

    I know this is a late comment, but feel free to view it as an early
IETF LC comment if you wish:-)

Section 5  seems to catalogue a fair number of options and allows for
incompatible implementations:

   These differences in the behavior of different implementations may
   result in unexpected behavior or lack of interoperability.  In some
   cases, it may be difficult or impossible to achieve the desired
   policies with certain implementations or combinations of
   implementations.

It would be really nice to have something (or some combination) at least
recommended to be implemented to ensure interoperability.  Do you think
it's possible to define such a recommendation, or do we just punt?
(Surely there is a defacto default/minimal mode already in the market!)

Thanks,
Lou

On 5/11/2017 12:45 PM, Eric C Rosen wrote:
> I have now posted draft-ietf-mpls-rfc3107bis-02.txt, which I believe 
> addresses the LC comments.
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Dear All,
the draft considers use of p2mp BFD, a.k.a. BFD for multipoint networks, to
MPLS network. One of use cases - monitoring p2mp MPLS LSP to distribute
EVPN BUM traffic.

Appreciate your comments, questions, suggestions.

Regards,
Greg

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Name:           draft-mirsky-mpls-p2mp-bfd
Revision:       01
Title:          BFD for Multipoint Networks over Point-to-Multi-Point MPLS
LSP
Document date:  2017-06-28
Group:          Individual Submission
Pages:          6
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-mirsky-mpls-p2mp-
bfd-01.txt
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Abstract:
   This document describes procedures for using Bidirectional Forwarding
   Detection (BFD) for multipoint networks to detect data plane failures
   in Multiprotocol Label Switching (MPLS) point-to-multipoint (p2mp)
   Label Switched Paths (LSPs).  It also describes applicability of out-
   band solutions to bootstrap a BFD session in this environment.




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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS of the IETF.

        Title           : YANG Data Model for MPLS-based L2VPN
        Authors         : Himanshu Shah
                          Patrice Brissette
                          Ing-When Chen
                          Iftekar Hussain
                          Bin Wen
                          Kishore Tiruveedhula
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-l2vpn-yang-06.txt
	Pages           : 46
	Date            : 2017-06-30

Abstract:
   This document describes a YANG data model for Layer 2 VPN (L2VPN)
   services over MPLS networks.  These services include point-to-point
   Virtual Private Wire Service (VPWS) and multipoint Virtual Private
   LAN service (VPLS) that uses LDP and BGP signaled Pseudowires.  It is
   expected that this model will be used by the management tools run by
   the network operators in order to manage and monitor the network
   resources that they use to deliver L2VPN services.

   This document also describes the YANG data model for the Pseudowires.
   The independent definition of the Pseudowires facilitates its use in
   Ethernet Segment and EVPN data models defined in separate document.


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