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Dear Tsuno,

Thanks for the revised draft. I have reviewed the draft.
Some issues remain. These are listed below
Please consider the issues/comments and update the draft.

Glenn

+--------------------------------------------------------+

1. Page-6: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: DESCRIPTION
1.1   It will be good to give a reference (RFCNNNN) for
          noTunnelInfo       (0) : no tunnel information present
       That will make it consistent with the other items.
       This change will require adding RFCNNNN to the REFERENCE clause.
1.2      pimBidir           (5) : BIDIR-PIM Tree      [RFC5015]
       RFC5015 needs to be added to the Reference section

2. Page-6: L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: SYNTAX
       The rewritten SYNTAX clause without the repetitions looks better.
       Thanks.

3. Page-7,8: says
        " A L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType object of value
          noTunnelInfo(0) indicates that the corresponding
          Provider Multicast Service Interface (PMSI) Tunnel
          attribute does not have a Tunnel Identifier."
    It may be better to align the wording with RFC6514 (Page 11)
        ' When the Tunnel Type is set to "No tunnel information
          present", the PMSI Tunnel attribute carries no tunnel
          information (no Tunnel Identifier).'

4. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags: DESCRIPTION:
          E: Extension flag [RFC7902]
       RFC7902 needs to be added to the Reference section

5. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags: REFERENCE
           "RFC6514, Section 5
            RFC7902
           "
       It will be nice to have a section pointer for RFC7902 too.
       (User-friendly and consistency).
       Please check the same for all the REFERENCE clause pointers
6. Page-12: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeAddlFlags: DESCRIPTION
           "When UDP-based S-PMSI signaling is used, the value of
           this object is zero."
        This is actually a 48-bit string. What would be the
        representation of "zero" above be? Will it be a string of
        length 0, a string containing a single ascii character "0"
        6 ascii "0"s, 48 '0' bits ?

7. Page-14: l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeLabel: DESCRIPTION:
           "When UDP-based S-PMSI signaling is used, the value of
           this object is zero that indicates the absence of MPLS
           Label."
        Once again.  "zero" above is imprecise.

8. Compliance:
    It would be good to design the compliance module as follows:
       l2L3VpnMcastCoreCompliance:
           MANDATORY-GROUPS {
                l2L3VpnMcastPmsiFieldGroup
           }
       l2L3VpnMcastFullCompliance:
           MANDATORY-GROUPS {
                l2L3VpnMcastPmsiFieldGroup
                l2L3VpnMcastOptionalGroup
           }


General:
10    Page-2 Section-1
10.1    In BGP/MPLS Virtual Private Networks (VPN)
         In BGP/MPLS Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) ?

10.2    Throughout this document, we will use the term
         "L2L3VpnMCast" to mean BGP/MPLS L2 and L3 VPN that support
         multicast.

         Throughout this document, we will use the term
         "L2L3VpnMCast network" to mean a network that comprises of
         BGP/MPLS L2 and L3 VPNs and supports multicast.

10.3  Page-4 Section-3 bullet 2
       Please review the paragraph for readability.

10.4  It will be good to avoid page-breaks within quoted clauses.
       example: Page-6 L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelType: REFERENCE



On 2017/08/28 3:27, Hiroshi Tsunoda wrote:
> Dear Glenn,
> 
> Thank you for your comments and for waiting for the update.
> I posted a new revision (-10) as follows.
> 
> URL:
>         https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-10.txt
> Htmlized:
>         https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-10
> Htmlized:
>         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-10
> Diff:
>         https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-bess-l2l3-vpn-mcast-mib-10
> 
> In the new revision, the following changes are made.
>   - Updated the description of following TC and objects
>     in order to clarify the role of this MIB and to improve
>     the readability
>      -- L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId
>      -- l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeTable
>   - Removed some redundant expressions
>   - Updated compliance statements
> 
> Please see the responses for your comments
> in the followings.
> 
> 2017-07-09 14:11 GMT+02:00 Glenn Mansfield Keeni <glenn@cysols.com>:
>>    L2L3-VPN-MCAST-TC-MIB:112: [5] {type-without-format} warning: type
>>    `L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId' has no format specification
>> This may be avoided by specifying a format in which the
>> L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId should be printed.
>> Is there a preferred format? How will this be printed?
>> One continuous octet string?
> 
> The size and format of TunnelID depends on Tunnel Type.
> and no preferred format is exist as of now.
> Therefore, I have decided to not give format specification
> to L2L3VpnMcastProviderTunnelId.
> 
>> A. The l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeTable needs all of the following
>>     four MOs as index for its rows
>>               l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeFlags,
>>               l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeType,
>>               l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeLabel,
>>               l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId
>>     The l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId by itself is inadequate? If yes
>>     please explain it to me. Or point to the text that contains the
>>     explanation.
>> I have been unable to confirm the above from the draft - that is very
>> likely due to my lack of understanding of the l2L3VpnMcast technology.
> 
> According to Sec. 7.4.1.1 of RFC6513,
> P-tunnel is identified by its type and id.
> Thus, in the latest revision, the following two objects are used as
> index of the table.
>         l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeType,
>         l2L3VpnMcastPmsiTunnelAttributeId
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> -- tsuno
> 
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[ I wrote this review back on Aug 8th, but the balloting wasn't open then - I
believe that there has been a new revision since, and so some of these may
already have been addressed. ]

I'm balloting No Objection, but I do have significant reservations;
because of the number of nits the document is quite hard to read - a number of
these required re-reading the sentence multiple times, guessing at what the
sentence is trying to says, etc. Many of these are really obvious (e.g see nit
#14 below) and it makes me concerned that the document hasn't been sufficiently
reviewed.

In addition, the RFC Editor would have caught these, but it doesn't seem
reasonable to rely on them to make documents readable, nor to waste multiple
reviewers time addressing what could easily have been caught with a simple read
though.

Questions / Notes:
1: The document has 6 authors (one listed as an author) and a contributors
section -- is there a substantive difference between those above the fold and
those below it?

2: This document uses a number of acronyms without expanding them on first use.

3: Section 8.1 Considerations for PMSI Tunnel Types
"The status of 0x7F may only be
   changed through Standards Action [RFC5226]." - what makes 0x7F special? What
   is it reserved for?

4: The shepherd writeup says:
Q: (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any
existing RFCs?
A: No change of the status of existing RFCs.

I believe that this is incorrect, especially when compared with the Q/A #17.

5: The IANA considerations section seems to be incorrect / transition isn't
really described. The current registry says: 0xFB-0xFE Reserved for
Experimental Use

This document changes that to be:
0x7B-0x7E      Reserved for Experimental Use

While it "only" a change to an experimental range, by their very nature you
don't know if anyone is using the current range. I think that the document
needs to be much more clear about the fact that it is changing this, and also
what the implications are for people who are already using e.g: 0xFB - from
what I can see, it could break existing deployments.

Nits:

1: Section 2.1 Scenario 1: Leaf OR Root site(s) per PE
O: In such scenario, using tailored BGP Route Target (RT) import/export
   policies among the PEs belonging to the same EVI, can be used to
   restrict the communications among Leaf PEs.
P: In such scenario, tailored BGP Route Target (RT) import/export
   policies among the PEs belonging to the same EVI can be used to
   restrict the communications among Leaf PEs.
C: Redundant 'using' when coupled with 'can be used'

2: Section  2.2 Scenario 2: Leaf OR Root site(s) per AC
O: Approach (A) would require the same data plane enhancements as
   approach (B) if MAC-VRF and bridge tables used per VLAN, are to
   remain consistent with [RFC7432] (section 6).
C: This doesn't really parse -- I cannot tell if it is just an extraneous comma
(after VLAN) or if it is that subject for "used per VLAN" is unclear.

3:
O: Given that both approaches (A) and (B) would require exact same data-
   plane enhancements,
P: Given that both approaches (A) and (B) would require the same data-
   plane enhancements,
C: grammar

4:
O: It should be noted that if one wants to use RT constrain
   in order to avoid MAC advertisements
P: It should be noted that if one wants to use RT constraints
   in order to avoid MAC advertisements
C: Assuming "constraints"; if not, needs more rewording.

5:
O: For this scenario, if for a given EVI, significant number of PEs have
   both Leaf and Root sites attached, even though they may start as
   Root-only or Leaf-only PEs, then a single RT per EVI should be used.
P: If, for a given EVI, a significant number of PEs have both Leaf and Root
sites attached (even though they may start as Root-only or Leaf-only PEs), then
a single RT per EVI should be used. C: Probably cleaner would just be to drop
the "For this scenario"; I don't think that the reader would take this a
generalization, but your views may differ.

6: 2.3 Scenario 3: Leaf OR Root site(s) per MAC
I think that this may be better titled as "2.3 Scenario 3: Leaf OR Root site(s)
per MAC address" -- without the 'address' it wasn't clear for the first bit if
you actually intended MAC or if this was a typo for AC. Purely a nit.

7:
O: This scenario is not covered in both [RFC7387] and [MEF6.1];
P: This scenario is not covered in either [RFC7387] or [MEF6.1];
C: At least I'm assuming you meant either!

8: Section 3.1 Known Unicast Traffic
O: Since in EVPN, MAC learning is performed in control plane via
P: Since in EVPN, MAC learning is performed in the control plane via
C: Or perhaps "by the control plane"

9:
O:  thus providing very efficient filtering and avoiding sending known unicast
   traffic over MPLS/IP core to be filtered
P:  thus providing very efficient filtering and avoiding sending known unicast
   traffic over the MPLS/IP core to be filtered

10:
O: This new Extended Community MUST be advertised with MAC/IP
   Advertisement route.
P: This new Extended Community MUST be advertised with MAC/IP
   Advertisement routes.
C: s/route/routes/ (or similar)

11: Section 3.2 BUM Traffic
O: This specification does not provide support for filtering BUM
   (Broadcast, Unknown, and Multicast) traffic on the ingress PE because
   it is not possible to perform filtering of BUM traffic on the ingress
   PE, as is the case with known unicast described above, due to the
   multi-destination nature of BUM traffic.
P: This specification does not provide support for filtering BUM (Broadcast,
Unknown, and Multicast) traffic on the ingress PE; due to the multi-destination
nature of BUM traffic, is is not possible to perform filtering of the same on
the ingress PE. C: Parenthesis make it a bit easier to read, but the whole
sentence should be rewritten; "This specification doesn't do X because it is
not possible to do X due to Y" sounds odd, even more so being a run on sentence.

12:
O: Other mechanisms for identifying root or leaf (e.g., on a per MAC address
basis) is beyond the scope of this document. P: Other mechanisms for
identifying root or leaf (e.g., on a per MAC address basis) are beyond the
scope of this document. C: Plural alignment.

13: Section 3.2.1 BUM traffic originated from a single-homed site on a leaf AC
O: along with an Ethernet A-D per ES route
C: A-D is used without expansion. I'm assuming Auto-Discovery, but this is not
helpful to readers.

14: 3.2.3 BUM traffic originated from a multi-homed site on a leaf AC
O: In such scenarios,  If a multicast
P: In such scenarios, if a multicast
C: Things like this (there are multiple) make the reader wonder how well this
was reviewed. This has been in the document since -03 (Oct 2015), so it isn't
simply a "rush to squeeze it in" event.

15: Section 3.3.1 E-Tree with MAC Learning
O: For the scenario described in section 2.1 (or possibly section 2.2), these
routes are imported ... P: For the scenario described in section 2.1 (and
possibly the scenario in section 2.2), these routes are imported ... C: The
original sounds a lot like you are not clear which section you are referring to.

16:
O: To support multicast/broadcast from Leaf to Root sites, ingress
   replication should be sufficient for most scenarios where there are
   only a few Roots (typically two). Therefore, in a typical scenario, a
   root PE needs to support both ...
C: Throughout the document you are using a mix of 'Root' vs 'root', 'Leaf' vs
'leaf' -- there doesn't seem to be much consistency.

17: Section 4 Operation for PBB-EVPN
O: In PBB-EVPN, the PE advertises a Root/Leaf indication along with each
   B-MAC Advertisement route, to indicate whether the associated B-MAC
   address corresponds to a Root or a Leaf site.
C: Please fix the commas - I think you just need to delete the second (or
perhaps put the "along with each" bit in parens) - the current text is
confusing.

18:
O: In such multi-homing scenarios where an Ethernet Segment has
   both Root and Leaf ACs, ...
P: In multi-homing scenarios where an Ethernet Segment has
   both Root and Leaf ACs, ...

19:
O: it is assumed that While different ACs (VLANs) on the same ES
C: See #14.

20: Section 4.1 Known Unicast Traffic
O: On the ingress PE, the C-MAC destination address lookup yields, ...
C: C-MAC is used without expansion - please insert reference (probably to RFC
7623)

21: Section 4.3 E-Tree without MAC Learning
O: In scenarios where the traffic of interest is only Multicast and/or
   broadcast, the ...
P: In scenarios where the traffic of interest is only multicast and/or
   broadcast, the ...
C: Please choose a single capitalization for Broadcast and Multicast and stick
to it -- there are around 5 Multicast and 6 multicast.

22: Section 5.2 PMSI Tunnel Attribute
O: This document uses all other remaining fields per
   existing definition.
   P: This document does not redefine any other terms.
C: This still ready poorly -- I think according to existing definitions (also,
plural matching).

23:
O: When receiver ingress-replication label is needed, the high-order bit
   of the tunnel type field (Composite Tunnel bit) is
C: I think "When a receiver ingress-replication label is needed" or "When
receiver ingress-replication labels are needed" - whatever the case, I think
you are missing a word or using the wrong one.

24:
O: When this Composite Tunnel bit is set, the "tunnel identifier" field
   would begin with a three-octet label,
P: When this Composite Tunnel bit is set, the "tunnel identifier" field
   begins with a three-octet label,

25:
O: PEs that donâ€™t understand the
   new meaning of the high-order bit would treat the tunnel type
C: As before, delete "would"

26: Section 7  Security Considerations
O: Furthermore, this document provides additional
   security check by allowing sites
P: Furthermore, this document provides an additional
   security check by allowing sites
C: Or "checks"...



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Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro
Review result: Ready

Thank you for considering and addressing all the comments and requests from my
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It's not clear to me if the prohibition on leaf-to-leaf communications is
intended to be a security requirement. If so, it seems like it needs to
explicitly state why it is not possible for ACs which are leaf to pretend to be
root. If not, then it should say so. Additionally, this solution appears to
rely very heavily on filtering, so I believe some text about what happens
during periods of filtering inconsistency (and what the impact on the security
is).





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It's not clear to me if the prohibition on leaf-to-leaf communications is
intended to be a security requirement. If so, it seems like it needs to
explicitly state why it is not possible for ACs which are leaf to pretend to be
root. If not, then it should say so. Additionally, this solution appears to
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4.2 Broadcast, Unkonwn, and Multicast (BUM) Traffic
Nit: unknown



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Reviewer: Dale Worley
Review result: Ready with Nits

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Document:  draft-ietf-bess-evpn-etree-13
Reviewer:  Dale R. Worley
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IETF LC End Date:  2017-08-09
IESG Telechat date:  2017-09-12

Summary:

This draft is basically ready for publication, but has nits that
should be fixed before publication.

There are a few matters that I would like to see amplified in the
Introduction to improve the exposition for readers who aren't familiar
with this area.

1.  Relationship to RFC 7432.  The Introduction now states "Since this
document specifies a solution based on [RFC7432], it requires the
readers to have the knowledge of [RFC7432] as prerequisite."  This is
a significant improvement, but I still find this unsatisfyingly vague
regarding the relationship between the two documents.  Is RFC 7432
only background knowledge, or is this document an
extension/modification of RFC 7432, in which case, some parts of the
technique described in this document are actually defined in RFC 7432?
It seems a minor change of wording of this sentence could make this
clear.

2.  Management:  The document doesn't describe how the EVPN structure
will be set up (e.g., how endpoints are added or deleted from the
structure, what MPLS labels will be used), nor how choice of the many
technology alternatives will be communicated (e.g., 2.1 vs. 2.2
vs. 2.3; approach A vs. approach B).  I suspect that this is normal
for documents defining VPN techniques, but it seems peculiar for me,
as the areas I'm familiar with (SIP and data-center networking) try to
minimize the amount of "configuration" that needs to be done.  It
might help the reader to list in the Introduction what aspects of
set-up are out of scope for the document, and conversely, what aspects
you've arranged for the control plane to handle automatically (which
are benefits of the technique).

3.  Efficiency:  The Abstract and the final paragraph of the
Introduction mention that this technique is more efficient than that
of RFC 7796, and of course that is a major motivation for this work.
But the nature of the improved efficiency is only detailed in section
3.1.  It would help the reader, I think, to mention the nature of the
improved efficiency in the Introduction, and perhaps to mention the
specific traffic patterns where this improved efficiency is
particularly effective.  This helps the reader know when reading the
document will be particularly valuable.

There are a few nits I noticed:

Abstract

   solution based on RFC7432, BGP MPLS Based Ethernet VPN (EVPN), with
   some extensions and how such a solution can offer a more efficient
   implementation of these functions than that of RFC7796, E-Tree
   Support in Virtual Private LAN Service (VPLS). This document makes

In the same way as you quote the title of RFC 76387, it would be more
readable if you quoted the titles of the other two RFCs.

1  Introduction

   Attachment Circuits (AC) (e.g., an Ethernet tag but may also be
   represented by a MAC address) is labeled as either a Root or a Leaf

I assume "tag" means 802.1q VLAN tag, but it would be helpful to spell
that out.

1.2  Terminology

   Ethernet Segment Identifier (ESI): A unique non-zero identifier that
   identifies an Ethernet segment is called an 'Ethernet Segment
   Identifier'.

What universe is the ESI is unique over?

[END]



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Mostly editorial comment:
Reading sections 3 and 4 it not clear to me if this is providing an actual
implementation specification or just reasoning. If the former is indented I
would recommend to use more active and normative language. Also I would
recommend to have section 5 before 3 and 4 because they use these new
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Mostly editorial comment:
Reading sections 3 and 4 it not clear to me if this is providing an actual
implementation specification or just reasoning. If the former is indented I
would recommend to use more active and normative language. Also I would
recommend to have section 5 before 3 and 4 because they use these new
flags/fields.

Please also consider the comments provided by the new gen-art review (thanks
Dale!) which probably go in the same direction and suggest some good concrete
improvements.



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Subject: [bess] Call for adoption: draft-snr-bess-evpn-na-flags
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Hello working group,

This email starts a two-week call for adoption on 
draft-snr-bess-evpn-na-flags-07 [1] as a Working Group Document.

Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both 
cases, please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until *the 26th of September*.

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies
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Martin & Thomas
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[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-snr-bess-evpn-na-flags/


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Hi,
I support this as co-author and not am not aware of any IPR related to this=
 document.=20
Thanks
Kiran

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Subject: Call for adoption: draft-snr-bess-evpn-na-flags

Hello working group,

This email starts a two-week call for adoption on
draft-snr-bess-evpn-na-flags-07 [1] as a Working Group Document.

Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both cases,=
 please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until *the 26th of September*.

We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to th=
is Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF =
IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details).
If you are listed as an Author or a Contributor of this Document please res=
pond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any relevan=
t undisclosed IPR. The Document won't progress without answers from all the=
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Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this Document.

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n conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you

Martin & Thomas
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[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-snr-bess-evpn-na-flags/


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Support as co-author.
Not aware of any IPR that applies to this document.

Thanks,
Senthil.

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Hello working group,

This email starts a two-week call for adoption on
draft-snr-bess-evpn-na-flags-07 [1] as a Working Group Document.

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[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-snr-bess-evpn-na-flags/


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I share the questions about the prohibition of leaf-to-leaf communication.
There's a fair amount of text enforcing such a requirement, but very little if
any about why.



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MEF doesn't stand for Metro Ethernet Forum any longer.



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Section 3.3.2 says:

   The PEs implementing an E-Tree service need not perform MAC learning
   when the traffic flows between Root and Leaf sites are mainly
   multicast or broadcast.

Does this mean to say "mainly"? I would have expected "only", as in section
4.3.  In particular, if "mainly" is correct, I'm unsure how unicast traffic is
supposed to be handled. Is it simply flooded out (modulo filters) in the same
way as broadcast traffic? If that's the intention, I think some additional text
here saying as much would be useful.

----

Section 5.1:

   The reserved bits SHOULD be set to zero by the transmitter and SHOULD
   be ignored by the receiver.

The "SHOULD" here seems that it might make assigning meaning to these bits in
the future problematic. If implementations decide to either assign local
meaning to these bits, or decide that they don't need to be initialized, then
future IETF specs that try to use them might be in for some pretty nasty
deployment surprises. If these need to be "SHOULD" instead of "MUST," please
add some motivating text to the document for the sake of people who might want
to extend the protocol in the future.

----

The IANA handling of "Composite Tunnel" seems problematic: although several
values in this "Reserved for Composite Tunnel" range have well-defined values
(e.g., 0x81 means "RSVP-TE P2MP LSP with composite tunnel"), they look
unallocated/reserved in the resulting table. I think what you really want to do
here is update the introductory text for the table to make it clear that values
now take the range 0x00 - 0x7F and modify 0x7B through 0x7F as you've proposed
doing.

On top of this, I have the same concerns as Warren does regarding the impact of
this change on in-the-field use of experimental tunnel types. I think the only
reasonable way to retrofit this mechanism onto the existing system would be to
to say that the "Composite Tunnel" bit MUST be ignored for tunnel types
0x7B-0x7E, and possibly allocate some additional experimental codepoints (e.g.,
0x77-0x7A) so that people can run experiments with tunnel types that also
include composite tunnel behavior.



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I'm reading the leaf to leaf prohibition as a routing optimization that isn't
intended for security purposes, but could help prevent routing loops and
leakage.  There is a little text early on in the document to describe the
purpose, but I agree the text should be made a bit more clear.



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Updates on EVPN BUM Procedures
        Authors         : Zhaohui Zhang
                          Wen Lin
                          Jorge Rabadan
                          Keyur Patel
                          Ali Sajassi
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-evpn-bum-procedure-updates-02.txt
	Pages           : 17
	Date            : 2017-09-19

Abstract:
   This document specifies procedure updates for broadcast, unknown
   unicast, and multicast (BUM) traffic in Ethernet VPNs (EVPN),
   including selective multicast, and provider tunnel segmentation.



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Support

Regards,
Nabeel

> On Sep 12, 2017, at 3:35 AM, Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>=
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Cheers,
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    On 9/12/17, 12:35 AM, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux" <bess-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of martin.vigoureux@nokia.com> wrote:
    
        Hello working group,
        
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Explicit Tracking with Wild Card Routes in Multicast VPN
        Authors         : Andrew Dolganow
                          Jayant Kotalwar
                          Eric C. Rosen
                          Zhaohui Zhang
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-mvpn-expl-track-03.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2017-09-22

Abstract:
   The MVPN specifications provide procedures to allow a multicast
   ingress node to invoke "explicit tracking" for a multicast flow or
   set of flows, thus learning the egress nodes for that flow or set of
   flows.  However, the specifications are not completely clear about
   how the explicit tracking procedures work in certain scenarios.  This
   document provides the necessary clarifications.  It also specifies a
   new, optimized explicit tracking procedure.  This new procedure
   allows an ingress node, by sending a single message, to request
   explicit tracking of each of a set of flows, where the set of flows
   is specified using a wildcard mechanism.  This document updates
   RFC6625.


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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)<mailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2017 12:07 AM
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Yes/support

On 22/09/2017, 01:22, "BESS on behalf of Jeff Tantsura" <bess-bounces@ietf.=
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    yes/support

    Cheers,
    Jeff


        On 9/12/17, 12:35 AM, "BESS on behalf of Martin Vigoureux" <bess-bo=
unces@ietf.org on behalf of martin.vigoureux@nokia.com> wrote:

            Hello working group,

            This email starts a two-week call for adoption on
            draft-snr-bess-evpn-na-flags-07 [1] as a Working Group Document=
.

            Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in=
 both
            cases, please also state the reasons).

            This poll runs until *the 26th of September*.

            We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that a=
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            Thank you

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<b>Sent: </b>Friday, September 22, 2017 12:07 AM<br>
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Vigoureux, Martin (Nokia - FR/Nozay)</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:bess@ietf.org">=
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<b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:draft-snr-bess-evpn-na-flags@ietf.org">draft-s=
nr-bess-evpn-na-flags@ietf.org</a><br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Yes/support<br>
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On 22/09/2017, 01:22, &quot;BESS on behalf of Jeff Tantsura&quot; &lt;bess-=
bounces@ietf.org on behalf of jefftant.ietf@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; yes/support<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Cheers,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Jeff<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; On 9/12/17, 12:35 AM, &quot;BESS=
 on behalf of Martin Vigoureux&quot; &lt;bess-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of=
 martin.vigoureux@nokia.com&gt; wrote:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hello wo=
rking group,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
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Hello working group,

This email starts a two-week call for adoption on 
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Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both 
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This poll runs until *the 2nd of October*.

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[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-drake-bess-datacenter-gateway/


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The BESS WG has placed draft-drake-bess-datacenter-gateway in state
Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Martin Vigoureux)

The document is available at
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Subject: Re: [bess] Call for adoption: draft-drake-bess-datacenter-gateway
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I meant the 9th of October, sorry.

Le 25/09/2017 à 11:42, Martin Vigoureux a écrit :
> Hello working group,
>
> This email starts a two-week call for adoption on
> draft-drake-bess-datacenter-gateway-05 [1] as a BESS Working Group
> Document.
>
> Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both
> cases, please also state the reasons).
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> This poll runs until *the 2nd of October*.
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> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies
> to this Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance
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Subject: Re: [bess] Call for adoption: draft-drake-bess-datacenter-gateway
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Martin,

I am not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Yours Irrespectively,

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Vigoureux [mailto:martin.vigoureux@nokia.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 5:43 AM
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> Subject: Call for adoption: draft-drake-bess-datacenter-gateway
>=20
> Hello working group,
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> This email starts a two-week call for adoption on
> draft-drake-bess-datacenter-gateway-05 [1] as a BESS Working Group
> Document.
>=20
> Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both case=
s, please
> also state the reasons).
>=20
> This poll runs until *the 2nd of October*.
>=20
> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies to =
this
> Document, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF I=
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> Currently no IPR has been disclosed against this Document.
>=20
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> respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed =
in
> conformance with IETF rules.
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> Thank you
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> Martin & Thomas
> bess chairs
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Hi Martin,

I'm not aware of any IPR associated with this draft.

Best,
Adrian

> We are also polling for knowledge of any undisclosed IPR that applies
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To: Martin Vigoureux <martin.vigoureux@nokia.com>, "bess@ietf.org" <bess@ietf.org>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the BGP Enabled ServiceS WG of the IETF.

        Title           : BGP Control Plane for NSH SFC
        Authors         : Adrian Farrel
                          John Drake
                          Eric Rosen
                          Jim Uttaro
                          Luay Jalil
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bess-nsh-bgp-control-plane-01.txt
	Pages           : 52
	Date            : 2017-09-25

Abstract:
   This document describes the use of BGP as a control plane for
   networks that support Service Function Chaining (SFC).  The document
   introduces a new BGP address family called the SFC AFI/SAFI with two
   route types.  One route type is originated by a node to advertise
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   Controller to advertise the paths of "chains" of service functions,
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   used in conjunction with the Network Service Header.

   This document adopts the SFC architecture described in RFC 7665.



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All, 

This is just a keep-alive (and I updated the reference to RFC 5226 to read
8216).

The authors are working on an update (partly to synch up with
draft-farrel-mpls-sfc, and partly to tidy up a few bits and pieces) which will
emerge shortly.

Adrian

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>         Title           : BGP Control Plane for NSH SFC
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I have some memory that someone responded that this wasn't a security
requirement, but I can't find that now.

-Ekr


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It&#39;s not clear to me if the prohibition on leaf-to-leaf communications =
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intended to be a security requirement. If so, it seems like it needs to<br>
explicitly state why it is not possible for ACs which are leaf to pretend t=
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Authors, WG,

this document is adopted.
Please republish as draft-ietf-bess-evpn-na-flags-00

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Le 12/09/2017 à 09:35, Martin Vigoureux a écrit :
> Hello working group,
>
> This email starts a two-week call for adoption on
> draft-snr-bess-evpn-na-flags-07 [1] as a Working Group Document.
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> Please state on the list if you support the adoption or not (in both
> cases, please also state the reasons).
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> This poll runs until *the 26th of September*.
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> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-snr-bess-evpn-na-flags/
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